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crime this is true crime garage and this is the monster of Florence [Music] yesterday Captain we covered three
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double homicides all attributed to the monster of Florence the first one taking place in 1974 the next in 1981 and then
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they lock up a man named Enzo spaletti and then just a few months later we have a crime that takes place again while he
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is locked up now this leads us to another crime another murder double homicide by the monster of Florence this
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takes place just eight months later in June of 1982. again this is a Saturday night and again there is no moon so this
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is June 19 1982 just about 25 kilometers from Florence now the thing here captain
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is this is one of the crimes where I find the most questions about okay this this is there's a lot of confusion about
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this particular crime first off I want to throw this out there uh according to Wikipedia The the female victim uh her
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name is Antonella now this was reported on there that she was not mutilated in the way that the other female victims
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were in the previous crimes uh this is possible but I believe this to be wrong and we will get into this in a bit okay
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um next one thing when the investigators try to piece together when they try to reconstruct the crime scene and the
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crime as they think that it went down well they ran into a lot of trouble and this is basically because of a car
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accident and I'll take you through this here so around 11 15 PM that night there
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are several people in the area that they notice of via vehicle and the vehicle is
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down in a ditch and it's down in a ditch in the way that the rear wheels are in the ditch and the front wheels and the
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headlights are pointing up you know towards the towards the road or the sky right okay so when these eyewitnesses
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happen upon the vehicle they find inside that there is a male who is alive he's like kind of
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he's struggling to stay alive and quickly becomes unconscious well his name is Paulo and he's quickly taken to
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the hospital and he will die just days later at the hospital the female victim there's some additional confusion as far
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as the findings of of these people because we have witnesses we have ambulance drivers some of them stating
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that Apollo was in the front seat in the driver's seat like we've seen in many of
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these crimes before right there's also people that say he was in fact in the back seat of the vehicle now the female
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victim she was found in the back seat and again I think some of this stuff you know is just arguing points for no
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reason because what they did find as far as evidence was we got the gun shells the gun casings and they're the same
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they match the same as the previous three murders yeah same gun used in this crime the thing here is though they do
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want to try to recreate this reconstruction of the crime scene so maybe they can get some information
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about the perpetrator of this crime now the strange thing here though Captain the the killer you know because of the
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same gun being used now believed to be the monster of Florence uh he he takes the car key with him so the the
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ambulance and the First Responders to this vehicle they immediately have a lot of difficulty and I wonder if some of
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that difficulty led to varying accounts of what they were seeing when they arrived on the scene because they're
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trying to save these people you know Paulo is in the car and he's clinging to life they got minutes to try to save
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this guy and the problem here is because the vehicle has been wrecked in the the
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driver's side door is is like smashed in crunched in it's jammed you cannot get it open well what happened was the
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killer must have uh reached into the vehicle or possibly been in the vehicle himself to remove the the car I'm sorry
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the key from the ignition right and when he did that he locked the door the passenger side door either before or
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after closing it but the the door was locked when they arrived so now we have First Responders there trying to get to
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these victims to see if they can save them to see if there's any signs of life left and yet they're losing valuable
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minutes because they're unable to open either door to the vehicle right and one of the first questions that the
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investigators were going to ask themselves is did the did the monster attack these victims and then did he
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move the vehicle yeah and the thought being there Captain is that unlike the other crime scenes this was not like a
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well-secluded area this was this was a road that was frequented as we said there are two couples two separate
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couples that find this vehicle and see it in the manner that it's found so it's it's in a situation it's in an area
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where it's likely to be stumbled upon or during the course of a murder uh you know people could come upon this so the
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question was did the monster move the vehicle why would he move the vehicle did he attack them first we know what
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his ritual is we know that he always does this to the woman to the female victim before leaving the crime scene
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did he need to move the vehicle thus moving the victims away to a more private area and try to do this or you
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know in in the in losing control of the vehicle and ending up at the in the ditch instead or did the couple try to
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flee him during the attack itself and because they are either injured or afraid or terrified that they end up in
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the ditch and then the monster completes the job right yeah he he completes the killings but he doesn't actually like
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like we said before it seems like this uh individual is trying to create a perfect murder and then also create the
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aftermath of the murder scene and and so in this case I was would lean towards the idea that they were going to try to
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get away you know meaning also um or basing my thoughts off of the fact that the driver was still alive yeah and
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the strange thing here Captain like I said you know there's some question Wikipedia says that Antonella was not
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mutilated like the previous female victims were I disagree with that um the only knowledge I can offer dare
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you yeah who would you're not Wikipedia don't you go against Wikipedia the thing
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here is I want to throw this out Gospel of course I don't know for certain I didn't investigate the case I don't have
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any access to the Case Files well then how do you know so much about it so here's what I'm going off of so I read
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two books in preparation for this case both were co-authored by by well-known authors both books stated that she was
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mutilated in the same fashion that the other women were and according to the FBI's website the FBI did a profile
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regarding the monster of Florence and they talk a lot about that specific mutilation on there the thing here is
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according to their crimes when they go through the crimes they don't go through them specifically you know this happened
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sentence for sentence but what they do state is that they don't say that the mutilation did not occur here where they
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do point to that at other occasions so I'm assuming if they say that it if they don't go out of their way to say it
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didn't occur then they're under the belief that it did occur all right so what else happened with this
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investigation well the thing here is the other thing we got to ask ourselves Captain is uh regarding the mutilation
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itself she was found in the back seat rather than outside of the vehicle like we've seen in other crimes I don't know
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that this points to did the monster Drive the vehicle or did they try to flee I think I think any you know either
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either scenario seems very likely to me the interesting thing though is that he took the time one for the mutilation to
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occur two to to remove the key and then lock the car door before fleeing again we see a guy we see a perpetrator that
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even though in an area that's quite a bit busier than other locations that he's killed in before he does not seem
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to be in a hurry you know it's like you had said in the last episode he seems he
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seems to be set out to accomplish whatever Mission he has created for himself and he's determined to leave a
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crime scene in the form that he chooses right but you see this a lot with uh Bundy Casey
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um Dahmer where they kind of get careless with with some of their actions you know so we're talking about the
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possibly possibly the fourth uh attack and maybe he's just getting careless becoming a bit frenzied in the in the
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Act of Killing um now a strange thing here Captain 12 Days Later 12 days after the crime an
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anonymous letter arrived at police headquarters in Florence inside the envelope we have a yellowed newspaper
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clipping this is from the same newspaper that has been reporting about the monster for years now uh this is an
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article about a forgotten double homicide double murder from 1968 of a man and a woman who had been having sex
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in a parked car and remember the first the first attack of the monster of Florence quote unquote right would have
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been 74. yes so this would have been six years before that yeah and someone wrote
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on the newspaper clipping take another look at this crime now I believe and I've heard a rumor that there was other
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communication uh to the police regarding this particular crime I don't know the details of such
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um but regardless somebody sent this newspaper article with this old crime from 68. well what's Your Gut Feeling do
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you think this is coming from the monster himself or do you think this is coming from you know armchair Detective
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tell you what can I let me go through this quick thing real fast and then we'll dive into that because this will
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give you a little insight into what we're looking at so the investigators they go through their old evidence files
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regarding that case and I guess that you know with some of these cases if for some reason they they would remove
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evidence or dispose of evidence after some time so it's it's no genius it's noted that for some reason they believe
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some kind of oversight that the shells the bullet shells collected in 1968 had not been disposed of and when they
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looked at these and they reviewed them they discovered that they were in fact Winchester series H rounds and each one
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of them bore on the rim the unique signature of the monster of Florence's gun okay so there is another Link in the
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chain another murder now this is going to sound strange right but I've heard several hardened
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investigators and you have to be a hardened investigator and at your very end to start thinking this way but when
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you have a lot of murders and they start piling up and you know they're you know
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they're connected but you cannot locate your guy you cannot figure out who is doing these murders they're some of
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these investigators there creates an internal struggle within them which it just it just happens and they say that
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at some point and this bothers them very much to say this that they feel like they're they're starting to wait to
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receive word of the next murder because the next murder it it could land you the
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clue that you needed within that case could be the little clue or a little piece of evidence that you need so that
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you can catch this guy so now these investigators did they get lucky you know they have another murder here and
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maybe they got lucky because you get another crime scene more clues more leads and no one else really has to die
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because we have a right because the victims are already dead at that point right but we have a problem with this
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case from 1968 we have somebody that's arrested for this yes and and they're in jail yes so that creates a big problem
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well let's go through this crime real fast okay this took place August 21st 1968 in a small town just west of
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Florence at about 2 A.M in the morning there's an unexpected knock at the front door of a small home the homeowners
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refused to answer the door at such an hour without an explanation then they hear a small and meek voice say please
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open the door and let me in I am sleepy they opened the door and much to their surprise and shock they see a little boy
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about six years of age standing alone and Afraid the boy nearly shaking says I'm sleepy and my daddy is sick in bed
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can you drive me home because my mommy and uncle are dead in the car sure enough
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they find his mother they she's found dead shot to death in a car apparently while in the private romantic moment
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with some man not the woman's husband not the not the boy's father or even an uncle like the
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boy had stated but a lover the wife and mother of the had taken on at some point
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yeah maybe the maybe the mother said to the kid hey this is your uncle yeah well
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and Captain this you know this as you said this has solved somebody sitting in jail this seems like an open and shut
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case you have a married woman went to the movies with her lover and afterwards they parked to have sex they were
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ambushed in the middle of of the act and shot to death the woman's husband this is uh Stefano melee he is from Sardinia
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he's picked up the following morning they did one of those uh paraffin tests in the results indicated that Stefano
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had recently fired a gun okay so he's looking very guilty to this point he claimed he was innocent and he he
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claimed that his wife had many lovers outside of their marriage and that one of those men that she was having an
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affair with must have killed her apparently they had a pretty open and unique relationship okay
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um so Stefano seemed to be all accounts he was probably bisexual it sounds like there were some threesomes
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going on where where his wife would be the only female participant um the devil's threesome so we have Stefano and
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people around Stefano that are saying you know this isn't a jealous husband going out and killing his wife and and
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the person she's having an affair with because this is a guy that didn't mind this type of activity yeah so
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regardless they pick him up they they have interrogated him eventually he does break down during the the interrogation
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and he confesses to killing his wife and killing her lover in a fit of jealousy um but the problem like the captain
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States is we have all these other crimes going on and melee is he's in he's in prison at the time of the 1981 killings
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right and after that I don't know how this works it seems like sometimes when we cover these cases in other countries
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that maybe our prison sentences might be a little lengthy or maybe things have changed throughout the years but he was
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he killed his wife in in lover or confessed to doing so and he's he's only in prison until 1981.
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uh he was technically out when the other crimes were committed by the monster but
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he was living in a halfway house um so so well but investigators are saying that it would be extremely
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unlikely that he would have been able to commit any of those murders after 1968.
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so we have though we have the the matching gun and like you said we have a problem
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because old Stefano was accounted for during the later murders now if he confessed to these crimes in 68 where's
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the gun you know investigators should be going Hey where's that gun that you used
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yeah and apparently I I would like to know if this was questioned to him and if his answer stayed the same you know
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was this question to him at the time that his wife was killed and if it was questioned to him again during the
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investigation regarding the monster what happened to the gun Stefano well if you wanted to handle the gun well he
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says I want the gun you can't handle the gun he says and I'm believing this is from the original investigation that he
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says that he threw it you know in the woods or through it in the bushes somewhere after fleeing the crime scene
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makes makes sense I guess uh regardless the gun was never found however the k casings are matching back to your
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question do we think it was some kind of tip from an anonymous innocent person or do we think that this
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is some kind of uh the killer taunting the police in in a way yeah um what's your gut feeling well here here's
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my question I I actually don't think that it was the killer taunting the police I think it was the Killer maybe
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covering some tracks and and I'm to get into this I'm gonna have to explain one thing remember when we said that the
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driver the driver when the vehicle was found in the ditch the male driver he is found alive and then taken to the
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hospital he never regains Consciousness that entire time he dies at the hospital
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but one thing that the prosecutor and the investigator did this was this was quite interesting
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they claim that that that Apollo that guy that he gave them information good information that would help them
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identify the monster of Florence all right nobody would know this except for people
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extremely close to the case well the ambulance driver at some point receives a strange phone call now he receives a
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call from a man now is he also peeping Tom no no no this is not not that I'm aware of I know but remember the last
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guy that was the ambulance it's it's a hobby of all so that's just what we do it's part of the Union oh that's how you
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you know break up the stress of of the everyday ambulance that's how we do it anyway this caller contacted the driver
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of the ambulance that took the man to the hospital and he says that the man says I didn't recognize the voice but he
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says that the caller identified himself as an investigator and he wanted to find
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out what the ambulance driver may have overheard from the victim as he was driving him to the hospital right he
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also wanted to know what the ambulance driver might know in regards to the case in the investigation
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um the ambulance driver says I'm not going to tell this to you or anybody else over the phone I don't know who you
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are you know if you present yourself in person maybe we can have a legitimate conversation
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the caller hangs up and shortly afterwards calls back and then he identifies himself as the monster of
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Florence okay and during this call he tells me he's trying to be sneaky before yeah yeah and he calls back this time
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and it's it's not a nice phone call the second time he threatens the driver and explains to the driver that he's not to
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tell anybody about this phone call or you know the monsters yeah right those are my favorite threats
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you know don't do this or else so with the with the clipping with the newspaper clipping and let's there's a
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few things that are interesting here about this kind of zodiac it's very zodiac and on top of that you know it it
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was addressed the envelope itself was addressed in a way like you would see like a like a ransom letter right where
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somebody cuts out letters from newspaper or magazines that was a that was a thing
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in the late 70s and early 80s I wish they would do that more often yeah and so they pieced together this and
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addressed the envelope as such the whoever sent the envelope uh they took the time to make sure that there were no
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fingerprints on this envelope they also did not use their tongue to seal the envelope
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um so somebody took a lot of precautions there and the thing is it's received just 12 days after this this murder it
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almost seems to me like and like I said for some reason the the police maybe because it's a solved crime they're
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supposed to dispose of the evidence after a certain amount of time back that doesn't make any sense to me
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um but but what I'm wondering here Captain is is it possible that the monster or the
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monsters would have had the ability to plant those bullets in that evidence in that case File from
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1968 and send this clipping to the police trying to cover their tracks thinking thinking that maybe the monster was
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identified by this this man that remained alive uh in the hospital for a few days after the attack hmm
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so this murder took place in 68. the original murder was 1968 yes right and there was no mutilation
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of the the female correct so one could say well then you know he didn't have a fixation or he didn't have a clear-cut
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picture of what he he was trying to create you know the murder scene like we've said I think this person was
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trying to create a certain image in his head recreate that so maybe he didn't have that thing in
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his head or did they place the shells in the evidence Locker later like you said
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it was a mistake that they had him so but maybe it wasn't a mistake maybe they did get rid of all the evidence and then
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all of a sudden they reappeared that would be pretty hard I think to do to get into them you'd have to get into the
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evidence locker and and be able to infiltrate that that would be hard right it seems to me like it would take a a
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certain person that would be at a certain level you know it working in a certain capacity uh that would have the
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ability to do such or be involved with other persons that are able to to get access to that file or that evidence
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Locker well and what are your thoughts on this because this is kind of a crazy thought that kind of keeps popping up in
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my head but it's like you know we've seen this with Bundy I I don't know I know we've seen this with Bundy I mean
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Bundy was known to be a peeping Tom so is it possible possible that we have this peeping Tom
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and in 1968 this peeping Tom Witnesses a murder yeah and then that person finds the gun
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that supposedly was in the bush it may not have had much trouble finding the gun if he watched the murders go down
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and watch the the killer maybe it is Stefano that killed him and he watches him toss the gun somewhere and he
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decides oh I'm gonna go over there and retrieve that murder weapon right that would be pretty crazy but you know
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again a possibility it you're right Captain you know when you say something like that like you think about that and
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you're like this is a possibility then you say it out loud and you're like that's crazy it's almost laughable it's
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so crazy it's almost laughable at the same time it's it's it's crazy that you have a man
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in prison for a murder using the same weapon that that there's somebody out committing murders using that same
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weapon for years and years afterwards right or a different type of killing though and we don't have that we don't
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have the mutilation we don't have the stabbing or the possibility that somebody sent them this newspaper
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article to cover their tracks and then found a way to plant evidence at an old solved crime from 1968. that that yeah
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again we have the confession so just hear me out I know it sounds crazy that a Peeping Tom would be there and found
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the gun or somebody else found the gun and then the gun was you know traded in and and it was in the black market and
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this guy got the gun somehow right it's possible but what I'm saying is the killings aren't the same uh
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we have a guy that confessed to it you know so is it impossible that this guy uh
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isn't it possible that this guy just got the gun somehow and then if he got this
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gun somehow that maybe it wasn't the murderer it was just maybe some armchair detective that's had this Theory and yes
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certain things lined up but it doesn't completely line up ultimately it just brings up more questions than answers
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but we'll get right back to that after this quick beer break foreign [Music] [Music]
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cheers mates cheers regarding the crime that took place in 1968 the double homicide Stefano melee was convicted for
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killing his wife and her lover again they never found the gun right well remember our guy the reporter Mario
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spezzi well he figures out a way to interview Stefano so when this information came about Stefano is out of
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prison at this point you know we said he's living in a halfway house from time to time
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the thing here is everybody wanted to from time to time well isn't that why it's called halfway house
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after time there half the time I'm somewhere else well I guess at this time everybody wanted to interview Stefano
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because the monster is one of the biggest news stories in the whole city well yeah the whole country yeah so
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everybody wants to speak with the Stefano guy and get his information about what he knows about the crime he
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was convicted of does he know anything about the monster that's out there running amok in the current day well we
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have spezzy he has to figure out a way to interview this guy because nobody uh melee will not let anybody near him the
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halfway house will not let anybody come to interview this guy they don't want anything to do with it he figures out a
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way to to get to Stefano and he asked him specifically about the murders and about the gun and the answers he gets
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from Stefano are as follows Stefano says they need to figure out where that pistol is otherwise there will be more
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murders they will continue to kill they will continue so they yes the key word is they and so
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now armed with this information spezzy plus the police now believe that Stefano melee was not alone the night in
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1968 when his wife and lover were killed it had not been a spontaneous Crime of Passion but rather a what they call a
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clan killing so Stefano and a group of people killed his wife and her lover under this Theory so his confession was
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a false confession correct it was not a false confession but he left out some details though an investigators
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theorized that one of the killers or somebody present that night had enjoyed the experience so much that he had gone
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on to become the monster of Florence using the same gun that had committed the crimes in 1968. a new event a new
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investigation is underway and what now the police were calling the Sardinian connection
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they they focused in and zeroed in on three Sardinian Brothers now remember we said that Stefano was from Sardinia and
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they probably looked at people close to him during this time so these are three Sardinian Brothers Francesco Salvatore
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and Giovanni Vinci they believed it is believed that all three of them had at one point been lovers or very close to
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the murdered woman from 1968 and one or more of them would have been present at the time of her killing
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due to their investigation the police end up arresting Francesco but on September 9th this is 1983. we
00:33:33
have Francesco finchy still in jail the monster was most certainly on the loose a German couple had parked their
00:33:42
Volkswagen Camper for the night both were spied upon and then shot several times and killed but the monster had
00:33:50
apparently made a mistake that night because this situation was quite different than the other crimes because
00:33:57
both of the victims were men yeah and so after the monster would shoot these victims he'd go into their trailer and
00:34:04
he's going to be snooping around yeah all the shots were fired from outside of the camper if the monster were to follow
00:34:10
his normal Mo he would go into the camper to you know pull the female victim from the vehicle however in this
00:34:20
situation if he was following his typical Mo he would have went inside and discovered that this was not a
00:34:27
heterosexual couple this is a homosexual couple and this is in fact two men well
00:34:32
at some point he the monster takes a pornographic magazine that he finds inside the camper he tears Pages out of
00:34:40
it and scatters them on the ground outside of the camper okay um it's not believed that he mutilated
00:34:47
either of these victims in any way he just simply shot them discovered that he made a mistake we're assuming and then
00:34:56
left the crime there has been a lot of speculation though Captain if if this was intentional you know or did he just
00:35:05
mistake uh what he saw to be a female and male victim um the situation is this though remember
00:35:14
we have Francisco Vinci he's he's locked up he's believed to be involved in these
00:35:20
crimes the monster of Florence crimes now the authorities refused to release Francesco even though he was not around
00:35:28
for this crime that took place on September 9th 1983. they believed that one of his relatives had tried to throw
00:35:34
them off by committing a new murder using the same gun or at the very least that Francisco knew who the monster was
00:35:43
right so just be clear for everybody to be clear that we have evidence at the scene that these two homosexual victims
00:35:52
were shot with the same gun they were shot with the monster's gun and remember we have all three Vinci brothers were
00:36:00
being they were considered suspects at the time that they arrested the one brother so I think the thought here is
00:36:07
that one of the other brothers or both of the other brothers went went out and committed this crime therefore the
00:36:13
authorities believing that Francesco still could be the monster it just means that there's more than one monster right
00:36:20
and Francesco probably knows who the other monster would be or the monsters would be right sorry there's no clear
00:36:28
way of putting that uh investigator sure there is but uh but I did not achieve that
00:36:34
um investigators became suspicious of another member of what they are calling the Sardinian clan
00:36:40
um this is Antonio Vinci uh and they ended up arresting him on Firearms charges they grilled the two men
00:36:49
relentlessly but they were unable to break them and finally they were forced to release Antonio but Francesco
00:36:57
remained in custody about four months later the police baffled the public when they finally released Francesco but they
00:37:06
only did this after arresting two more men with connections to the Sardinian group right and announcing now to the
00:37:13
public for the first time that there are two Monsters the authorities believed that both of these men would have been
00:37:20
present at the 1968. remember they're calling this the clan killing they were arrested they were charged with being
00:37:27
the monster of Florence now all winners so they're charging them not with just the 68 crime but all of them correct
00:37:35
that they're looking at this as a whole you're being arrested for this but now we're going to try to put together some
00:37:40
kind of case so all winter long the police work on these two men they are desperately trying to extract
00:37:46
confessions and develop their case but they do they do not have any success with this Captain summer arrives and
00:37:54
even though the police have these two suspects in custody the monster will strike again this time the victims would
00:38:02
be 21 year old Claudio and his girlfriend Pia only 18 years old at the time they were both shot to death and
00:38:09
stabbed in Claudio's car again the monster left the empty shell casings matching the bullets from the other
00:38:16
crimes and again the monster mutilated the woman but adding a new [ __ ] he cut off and took with him her left breast
00:38:25
a special Strike Force team was formed they called themselves the anti-monster squad now see Captain that should be the
00:38:33
new t-shirt you have the True Crime garage anti-monster Squad I guess it'd be a picture of me and you with like
00:38:39
this whole Army of people behind us fighting monsters all over the world this this is to we have a problem here
00:38:48
because um in Italy all right you have two different types of police forces and you
00:38:54
could kind of think of this in a way of of like we have here in the United States you have your regular police
00:38:59
force your local police and then you have your FBI okay so in Italy you have the Citizen Police and you have the
00:39:08
carbonari well that's similar to um you know like a military police okay so the this is two separate police
00:39:17
forces that investigate crime and they they do this independently of one another what this anti-monster squad is
00:39:26
going to be comprised of is members of both organizations working together in their free time to try to put together a
00:39:36
case against this monster and end the killing now the government ends up offering a huge reward which turns out
00:39:43
roughly to be about 290 thousand dollars once you convert it to US dollars for information leading to the capture of
00:39:51
the monster this is the highest bounty in in Italy history warning posters are put up everywhere and on top of that
00:40:00
this this is wild a millions of warning postcards are distributed to tourists entering
00:40:07
Florence this is advising them not to go to the hills at night can you imagine going to another country to visit
00:40:15
especially a country as beautiful as Italy and when you arrive you're handed a postcard telling you not to go into
00:40:22
the hills at night because there is a monster on the loose that is gunning people down well hold on I need to
00:40:28
cancel my airplane tickets because that's the only reason why I'm going there to go park
00:40:34
and the Hills in the summer of 1985 the Monster resurfaced again in what would be the
00:40:41
most terrible killing of all the victims were too young tourists who had pitched
00:40:46
a tent and a field on the edge of a wooded area according to the Reconstruction of the crime the killer
00:40:53
approached the tent and with the tip of a knife made a 12-inch cut into the side
00:40:59
of the tent the campers hearing the noise unzipped the front flap to investigate what was going on outside of
00:41:06
the tent apparently the killer was there waiting for them and opened fire on both
00:41:11
of these people he ends up hitting the female victim in the face now the man is only hit in the arm or the wrist so he
00:41:21
is able to flee the tent area well the woman died instantly but the man read ran and fled toward the woods
00:41:29
the monster followed after him he eventually catches the man and slits the man's throat almost decapitating him the
00:41:38
young man's Blood Stained the tree branches well above his head uh maybe 10 12 feet in the air right still a little
00:41:47
bit of a different scenario than other killings the killer returned to his female victim to perform the usual
00:41:54
ritual mutilation and like the last crime he cut off her left left breast the bodies were not discovered until
00:42:02
Monday at 2 pm now the police could not determine if the campers were killed on Saturday or on Sunday and this is always
00:42:12
obviously important to any investigation of course but this is also could could either play or not play into one of the
00:42:19
biggest theories surrounding the monster you know we have the thought that we have victims that are attacked on
00:42:26
Saturday nights on moonless Saturday nights and we have these victims where we can't determine if they were killed
00:42:34
Saturday night or Sunday night so one of the big theories in this case has always
00:42:38
been that there's there's an occult you know there's these are some kinds of cult killings right that these could be
00:42:45
performed by devil worshipers or some kind of organization well if they broke that and they ended up killing on Sunday
00:42:52
maybe that goes against that theory yeah but I I think there's some weight to this whole you know ritualistic killing
00:43:00
because of the mutilation to the female um you know kind of staging a scene every time I I think that that's not a
00:43:09
bad angle for investigators to look into well on the day of the discovery of the
00:43:15
bodies um and this took place just before the bodies were discovered the prosecutor in
00:43:22
the case received an envelope through the mail this is another communication that we see here Captain envelope the
00:43:28
envelope had been addressed to using letters cut out for magazines and newspapers inside the envelope we have
00:43:35
the prosecutor found the victims left nipple there were no fingerprints on the envelope itself and again the sender did
00:43:44
not use his tongue to seal the envelope the prosecutor soon quit the monster case and not only that she quit her
00:43:53
career in law enforcement altogether as she was so terrified by this communication
00:43:59
now well maybe she took that as a threat so well and with with two suspects in jail uh then the two tourists are killed
00:44:09
we have we have a judge here that remains convinced that one of the Sardinian clan members was the monster
00:44:18
and that either one of them or both of the suspects being held were one of the monster or new again who the monster was
00:44:26
so the judge is refusing to let these people out again it's still possible that there's multiple people but the the
00:44:34
other thing I would add though too is that you have a crime taking place in 68 and if if the monster was multiple
00:44:41
people right the next crime is not taking place till 74. so you would think that once the arrest was made once this
00:44:49
person was going to be sentenced to this charge that one of the other uh people involved would be making a crime happen
00:44:56
pretty quickly have have another murder happen pretty quickly that way it gets the public going hey it's not the guy so
00:45:04
it's kind of weird that there's a gap from 68 to 74 and then from 74 to 81. right right and you're right though you
00:45:13
might have tapped into something because after we see one of the guys picked up that Enzo spaletti there seems to be an
00:45:20
increase in the frequency of the crimes of the monster um now the judge the judge that was
00:45:26
focusing on the Vinci brothers and remember we mentioned one of those brothers names that this is Salvatore
00:45:32
the judge is now believing that Salvatore was present for the Stefano melee with Stefano melee at the murder
00:45:40
of his wife and lover back in 68. in fact Salvatore was suspected of having killed his own wife before leaving
00:45:49
Sardinia his wife had been found asphyxiated by gas in their home back in 1961. the death had officially been
00:45:59
determined a suicide but here's the strange part someone had taken the time to go into the home someone had rescued
00:46:08
the couple's one-year-old son this is Antonio Vinci from the house while leaving the boy's mother to Die the
00:46:17
judge could not bring Salvatore to trial for being the monster of Florence but yet he's convinced that Salvatore was
00:46:25
the monster so now there's not enough evidence to book him on this however he thought what they should do let's try to
00:46:34
prosecute Salvatore for the old death of his wife back in 1961 instead and then maybe Salvatore would confess to the
00:46:44
crimes of the monster well this ends up backfiring because the trial ends up being a disaster by this
00:46:50
time you know we're we're almost 30 years removed from the death of his wife in 61. the trial is a disaster the
00:46:58
witnesses didn't seem to know much about the death of his wife or at least remember any details of anything that
00:47:04
happened that day right and the evidence in that case well it was extremely weak
00:47:09
to say it politely everything pretty much in pretty much hinged on the testimony of his son Antonio Vinci which
00:47:18
is a which was one years old at the time he would have been one years old at the
00:47:22
time at the death of his mother and Antonio refused to testify against his father so nothing stuck and the Dr the
00:47:31
judge here struck out and was unable to prosecute Salvatore but the story is not
00:47:37
over and this case is not completely gone cold because they have a new investigator yeah new lead investigator
00:47:44
is applied to the case uh he decides to go back to the drawing board because right now this thing is very muddled and
00:47:52
he decides that he's going to review what little forensic evidence has been collected throughout all of these Crimes
00:47:58
of the monster yeah you'd think there would be some sort of DNA well the things that they have in in evidence
00:48:05
Captain is they have a knee print a knee print was found on the on the door of one of the vehicles they found a bloody
00:48:13
rag at one of the crime scenes and they also found a partial fingerprint now you
00:48:17
also have to keep in mind uh you don't know if that partial fingerprint belongs to the killer or just somebody that
00:48:23
happened to be in or around the vehicle correct now this investigator will outrightly state that he learned very
00:48:31
quickly that none of this none of this evidence was analyzed properly nor was it stored properly so at some point
00:48:39
surprise surprise at some point you you lose value and you're unable to get anything of value from this evidence
00:48:48
so he decides that he's going to go to the computers right he's going here yeah he's going to go and study some
00:48:55
computers believing uh using a method that more new age investigators uh would might Point him toward the man that they
00:49:04
call the monster of thousands of men in the area he was looking at several items
00:49:10
uh regarding convictions for sex crimes crimes of violence uh people with their prison sentences when were they in
00:49:18
prison when they were not uh this led the investigator to a suspect a Tuscan farmer named Petro pacciani now he's
00:49:29
described as a short very strong man who was particularly drunk all of the time and he had a violent history
00:49:39
except for you're not short yeah but uh so I am when I when I'm drinking too much I get really short well one thing
00:49:48
that's very different from you is that this guy has a extremely violent history to say the least you don't know me
00:49:55
because in 1951 when he discovered when pacciani discovered that a traveling salesman was having sex with his fiance
00:50:05
and I believe this took place in either her home or their home but somehow he discovered this he attacked the couple
00:50:13
he bashed in the man's skull and then he raped the woman next to the Man's dead body afterward he was arrested uh he was
00:50:22
imprisoned he was sentenced it was an easy conviction uh for this crime Jesus after he was released from prison he
00:50:31
married uh he was later convicted of sexually assaulting his daughters uh his prison
00:50:37
every story every week we cover a story and they all have girlfriends or wives you mean you mean these people that have
00:50:45
horrible past and doors horrible horrible individuals it's uh I haven't been on a date in months man you you're
00:50:53
using the wrong dating website I guess um I love scumbags.com you can find I'll go to that one there you go but uh he
00:51:04
his prison sentences coincide with the Gap in the killings okay so this new investigator I mean he's like wow this
00:51:12
dude he's he's committed crimes against a couple he has sex crimes he has violent crimes and his prison sentences
00:51:20
coincide with the gaps in the killings so when the monster was dormant this dude was in prison when the monster was
00:51:26
active and killing people pacciani this dude was out and free okay so did they investigate this guy's property or yes
00:51:34
they they conducted a 12-day search of paciones problems that's a long search it's a lot of days on the job they found
00:51:43
an unfired 22 caliber bullet in his garden now experts say that it might let's put that include found it in his
00:51:53
garden that's not suspicious well they said that the experts said that they might this bullet might have been
00:51:59
inserted into the famous Beretta that they've been looking for and ejected without being fired the ballistics
00:52:08
report was inconclusive not long after the carbonary received a piece of a 22 Beretta wrapped in a torn rag this was
00:52:19
it was accompanied with an anonymous note saying that had been found in a place where pacciani often went all
00:52:26
right right so you know it seems like a lot of fishy evidence well what they did
00:52:32
Captain was when they received this Beretta wrapped in the torn rag then they went back to pachiani's property
00:52:38
and they searched the property again they removed you know any Rags any towels that they could find on the
00:52:45
property they found some rags and that they found in his garage and they compared it to the rag that sent the
00:52:52
Beretta right well it matched up you know so we think it was coming from wife coming from his wife or from someone
00:52:59
that that knew him you know that was close to pachiani that had access to his property he's eventually arrested in
00:53:07
January of 1993 and he is charged with being the monster of Florence all right case closed we'll see you guys next week
00:53:15
all right be good be kind don't don't be peeping on people touching each other see you next week
00:53:24
[Music] so what happened well at the trial now keep in mind we're talking about we we
00:53:30
described him as a short very strong Mammoth this is a bully you know this is this is a bully this is a brute
00:53:37
and at the at the trial pacciani rocked back and forth and he cried very loudly during the proceedings uh he would often
00:53:47
yell out strange things during the trial as he cried you know things like I'm I'm
00:53:52
in I'm an innocent little lamb and I'm you know they're they're treating me like Jesus Christ on the cross what uh
00:53:58
yeah he just random craziness that he would he would yell out but the almost the entire trial this guy is rocking in
00:54:06
his chair and crying very loudly the prosecutors presented no murder weapon during this trial they also presented no
00:54:15
reliable eyewitnesses to the crimes and even pachiani's wife and daughters okay picture this we know what he's done to
00:54:23
these daughters okay he he these women hate allegedly right right well no he was convicted of of
00:54:31
assault on his daughters these women hated him and I mean he probably hated him in every sense of the
00:54:39
word they said at trial that he could not have been the monster because this guy was always home he was home and he
00:54:47
was drunk all of the time and he was at home yelling and hitting them um right you know so it's strange to
00:54:55
hear so he was a monster just not just he was a monster within the four walls of his home correct right these women
00:55:03
had a good chance to get rid of this guy forever and they didn't do that somehow despite the lack of evidence
00:55:13
um outside of the bullet that was found that is still questionable that it was in the infamous Beretta that we've been
00:55:19
talking about it's questionable how it got there on his property uh I think sometimes when the case uh
00:55:27
goes on for so long and people I think sometimes even with new investigators that get into a case and they're so
00:55:34
desperate to solve it that they you know their ethics uh kind of Go away You're right and everything in their mind is
00:55:41
pointing to this guy I know he did it right well this lines up this lines up that's yeah but everything has to line
00:55:48
up pacciani was in fact convicted and he was sentenced to life in prison now there is a mandatory appeal process and
00:55:58
this was very strange the prosecutor assigned to handle the appeal case actually decided to refuse to prosecute
00:56:06
pacciani so on February 13 1996 because they're not going to prosecute him again pacciani was
00:56:15
acquitted for being the monster of Florence so we're back to square one we're back to square one we we see
00:56:22
murder after murder double homicide after double homicide and then we keep locking up people the murders don't stop
00:56:30
no matter what and and when we do find somebody that we think we have some evidence right the conviction is
00:56:38
overturned yeah or if we have them arrested another murder takes place so that's a very interesting case on the
00:56:45
same day that pacciani's acquitted the police they tried to save their case or maybe at least cover their backs because
00:56:53
they brought forward new Witnesses and they dramatically announced that they they had a confession regarding the case
00:57:00
of the monster the judge however refused to allow the new witnesses to testify but as we know often with these stories
00:57:09
somehow this information gets out so what was Learned was that the first surprise witness had actually confessed
00:57:17
to being pachiani's accomplice he said that he and pacciani had been hired by a wealthy doctor to handle a few jobs
00:57:26
these were to collect female body parts for black masses to be used as offerings
00:57:33
to the devil but on top of these strange stories that doesn't make any sense because you don't have to kill you know
00:57:42
Lover Lane people you don't have to kill the the man and the and the female to get the female parts well this man you
00:57:50
know on top of these strange stories that the man is telling he often contradicted himself uh when telling
00:57:57
these stories he did implicate another man um so now according to this guy we have
00:58:03
a ring of three of two of these men were convicted of murder one was sentenced to
00:58:08
life in prison that being pacciani and the other two uh 26 years uh in prison now the higher Court sent the case back
00:58:19
to be retro retried regarding pacciani however he died in February of 1998 before the new trial could begin
00:58:30
this began an investigation into the search for the doctor and for the quote-unquote masterminds Behind These
00:58:40
killings but get this the suspects or you know Witnesses or whatever you want to call them
00:58:48
at the acquittal for pacciani said that they didn't know the doctor's name uh he
00:58:55
claimed he told all these wild stories about collecting body parts for this doctor but he claimed that only pacciani
00:59:02
knew the name of the doctor knew the identity yeah the person that hired them but this guy's story just seemed so
00:59:09
fishy yeah and they presented this story to pacioni and he denied the entire story all the way until the day that he
00:59:17
died right and he was supposed to be retried but sense of it because of his death they can't retry him yeah and over
00:59:23
time thread by thread the web of evidence uh against him it fell apart it wasn't great to begin with but the rag
00:59:30
and the gun pieces uh that were sent to them that was found to have been manufactured and planted evidence it was
00:59:40
never really established who they believe planted that evidence or who had sent it that to them but like you said
00:59:47
it appears to be somebody that would have known him had access to his property the expert who had been asked
00:59:55
to clarify or to certify that the bullet found in pasciani's guard might have been inserted into the monster's gun he
01:00:04
said at a later date that he was bullied into arriving at that conclusion that he was he was pressured by the
01:00:12
investigators to to help them out with their investigation right and who who do you think planted the other evidence the
01:00:19
same investigators yeah most likely and then we also have Mario spedsy the uh the journalist he he videotaped a police
01:00:28
officer who was present at the search of pacciani's property and on this videotape the officer is saying that it
01:00:36
was his impression that the Chief Inspector in the crime or in the investigation had planted the bullet in
01:00:45
the garden yeah surprise surprise in know it's a typical situation where an investigator gets a theory and they put
01:00:52
their blinders on and they try to make everything fit even like I said throw your ethics out the window
01:00:59
well around the same time we have the FBI they release a thorough a thorough idea a profile of the Killer and during
01:01:10
this report they say that the monster chose the places for his crime that he did not choose the victims and that he
01:01:19
would kill only in familiar locations the murders had been committed over a large area encompassing The Hills South
01:01:27
East and North of Florence the police tried for years unsuccessfully to recognize a pattern but Mario spetsy
01:01:36
mapped the life and movements of the carbonaries suspect to the locations of the killings and he found what he
01:01:43
thought to be overlaps now Mario spetsy's view of this case is not complicated the simplest and most
01:01:52
obvious explanation was most likely the correct one this is what he believed he believed that the monster of Florence
01:01:59
was a lone psychopath and that the key to finding him was the gun used in the 1968 Clan killing spetsy says every cop
01:02:08
knows a gun used in a homicide especially a clan killing is never disposed of casually it is his belief
01:02:15
that it would be either destroyed or kept in a safe place one of the killers after the double homicide in 1968 had
01:02:23
taken the gun home right again though you have to buy that that first killing was what they said it was I mean I
01:02:33
understand that we have a confession you know from from the husband but uh I don't know I I have a hard time buying
01:02:41
it well Spazzy agreed with the judge that was involved believing that the monster must either be Salvatore Vinci
01:02:48
or somebody close to salvatory uh someone which would make sense yeah someone with access to the gun and the
01:02:55
box of bullets it was that simple and the crime scene evidence suggested that the monster was tall remember we talked
01:03:02
about pacciani being a short man there was evidence and they gathered that from the angle in which the bullets were
01:03:09
fired into the vehicles as well as the knee print that was placed on the car door that they had found so they
01:03:17
believed the monster was tall they believed him to be a right-handed man in excellent physical condition this ruling
01:03:23
out pacciani obviously who was short fat old and usually drunk the killer was an expert shot in their
01:03:32
opinion and skilled with a knife right okay so do you think it was a killer or Killers well I'm gonna tell you what I'm
01:03:40
gonna present what Mario spetsy believes and I'm gonna present what the carbonari
01:03:44
believed at the time remember he was comparing their number one suspect to information he had about the movements
01:03:51
of this suspect and where the killings took place well who was this person who was their number one suspect well it was
01:03:58
Antonio Vinci remember who he is he's Salvatore's son he's the one that if Salvatore killed his wife he pulled the
01:04:07
one-year-old son out of the the home that was being uh you know gassed at the time he's the one that refused to
01:04:14
testify against his father he would have had access to the gun if Da Vinci's had
01:04:20
access to that gun so spetsy tracks down this guy and he he wants to interview him regarding the
01:04:28
monster of Florence but he's a bit terrified because you now you're very close to the possible Inner Circle of
01:04:34
this whole thing right so he actually introduces himself to Antonio as somebody else however Antonio is a smart
01:04:43
dude and he recognizes spetsy he does agree to be interviewed by spetsy uh when asked a risky move spetsy wanted to
01:04:53
record the interview audio record the interview he says no you know he Antonio says no I you can't record me why well
01:05:01
I'm I don't like my own voice that's something you and I have to deal with a couple times a week that's lovely so I'm
01:05:08
going to I'll give you the shortened version of of this interview but during the course of this interview one thing
01:05:14
that spetsy asked Antonio about was about all of the fights that he had had with his with his own father and he
01:05:21
states that you know one of these fights uh you were charged with breaking into the home of your father in the spring of
01:05:29
1974 you were charged with breaking and entering in his home and theft while Antonio corrects him and says that's not
01:05:37
correct I was only charged with a violation because all they could prove was that I had broken into his home and
01:05:45
that I I didn't steal anything now he asked him when did you leave Florence well he left Florence in the
01:05:51
beginning of 1975 when did you return uh he returned in 1982 and then separated in 1985.
01:06:01
um there's and this goes on and on but what we're establishing here is his movements when was he in the area and
01:06:09
when was he not both of those statements put him in the area during the times of
01:06:14
the killings and out of the area when the killings were not taking place the thought about the actual break into
01:06:22
Salvatore's home the thought there is Betsy believes that Salvatore had the gun that he had possession of the
01:06:30
Beretta and that Antonio broke into his father's home and stole the gun before the first double homicide in 1974. all
01:06:39
right so just to break this down to be pretty clear so basically his father kills his mother in 61 pulls him out of
01:06:48
the house in 61 then in 68 his father is involved in this clan type killing they
01:06:54
kill uh this this couple because they're cheating on them and then in 74 the sun
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breaks into the father's house steals the murder weapon and then goes on a killing rampage now he would have been
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about age 14 at this time yeah yeah he would have been 14 or 15 at the time I I don't know what month he was born in
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um it seems awfully young the strange thing here though and this is where I believe
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that spetsy arrived at this conclusion was because when when the father when Salvatore had noticed that his home was
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broken into he called and reported it as a as his home was broken into and things
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were stolen when the police arrived to take their report they asked him what was stolen he says there was nothing
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stolen the house was just broken into they find out that it was the Sun that actually broke into the house the
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thought is spets you know spetsy's thought is that Salvatore would not admit that the only item stolen was a
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murder weapon that he was present for or participated in back in 1968 so what else came from this interview well
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spetsy directly asked him about the 22 Beretta he said if your father owned the 22 Beretta you were the person in the
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best position to take it correct and well Antonio says he he kind of stalls on his answer but his answer is this he
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says you know I didn't take it and I have proof and he says you know what was the proof and he says if I had taken
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that gun from my father I would have fired that gun into my father's forehead that's your proof well that's a pretty
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uh strong statement there yeah especially it's Betsy pushes him further and saying that you know because you
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didn't have the gun that I'm asking you about then that means you are not the monster of Florence
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well Antonio says no I'm not the monster because I like my [ __ ] hole Wowzer that's a that's another strong statement
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well it's after this statement that spetsy decides to leave the house to leave this guy's house immediately
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um as he's walking out of the home uh he is uh embraced let's say by his host by
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Antonio um and during this he he basically Whispers to him in a deep Gravelly tone
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he says listen carefully spetsy I I never joke around I don't know what that means but I take that to be some kind of
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threat here the situation is Captain does you know spetsy's thoughts uh he's looked at this crime probably longer
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than anybody else being the investigative journalist that he is he's worked this case longer than most of the
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investigators involved I think he has a reasonable explanation for the crimes and for who the monster of Florence is
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you know it's a little no matter who you look at in this case it's a little bit of a leap though wouldn't you agree yeah
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I definitely think there's a leap um I think the tough thing about this leap that he's making is that like we
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said that then the suspect would have to be 14 years old yeah yeah that's the biggest hurdle for me certainly does
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have ties to the crime ties to the original murder back in 1968. regardless this is a fascinating yet frustrating
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crime all at the same time you know we we talked about this anytime we have an arrest there's a there's another murder
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um nothing nothing holds weight here over the course of this investigation after all these years you have four men
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that were arrested charged of and convicted of being the monster at different times you also have many
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people that were arrested and eventually released and not charged with the crimes
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a lot of the convictions that I just spoke of have been criticized and ridiculed by the media and it is of
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almost everyone's belief that the killer or Killers have never been identified I
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guess uh until then until new information comes out we'll just never know well and that leads us to our
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recommended reading for this week Captain we are recommending the monster of Florence by Douglas Preston and Mario
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spetsy uh the thing here is I know I feel we did a great job covering this this is a huge case though this is one
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of those situations we got into this and we were starting thinking this is three
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episodes is this four episodes glad you pat yourself on the back we did a great job oh we did I'm here to tell you but
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what I will tell you Captain is that there is more reason to look into this case on your own there were certain
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avenues that we were unable to take unable to explore because them in themselves were monster cases of their
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own so if you want to find out more about the quote-unquote doctor that had this satanic organization that he was he
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was looking for body parts for these rituals that's covered in this book The Monster of Florence by Douglas Preston
01:11:59
and Mario spetsy and you can pick that up by going to truecrimegarage.com click on the recommended page and you'll see
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back to that and just do a special episode just on that doctor yeah if you want to hear more about the doctor if
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you if you really want to impress upon us you want to hear more about the monster of Florence you can do that at
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