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[Music] cry well it's a cold case 25 years in the making and the family of former
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rorist toown Elementary School teacher Christy Mirra is is staying positive on the case news 11's Holly hair met with
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Christy's brother and has more from the emotional day holly Shannon emotional is
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just skimming the surface you can imagine today is a difficult one to face for the mirac family but Christy's
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brother Vince met with me outside of the apartment where she was killed and is speaking out in hopes that this might
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bring the case to a close it's been a long time since I've been here and um it all
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looks the same the trees have gotten bigger but the building still looks the same and it's it's hard it's really hard
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whole thing right here just is it just it's just it's Eerie it's been years since he stood within sight of his
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sister's apartment but the pain of what happened there on this day 25 years ago Remains the Same there's good days and
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there's bad days and today's not a good day despite his sorrow it's Vince's mission to keep Christy's story at the
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Forefront that's my whole point here I'm here to to give you know keep her face out there keep her name out there keep
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it alive that hopefully in somewhere somebody comes out and gives us that bit of information that we need to get this
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solved and he doesn't have to do it alone you know it's hard to believe it's been uh almost 25 years in November the
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Lancaster County DA's office sent DNA from the case to parabon Labs a company specializing in DNA phenotyping the
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investigators got tips that they're following up on so hopefully we get some information on this and you know move
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forward the results brought the mirac family New Hope for finding Christy's killer hopefully you know somebody jogs
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somebody's memory somebody looks like somebody I mean it's around the holidays where people are coming back to this
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area maybe somebody recognizes the person patience persistence and a Brother's unconditional love I I've
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never really given up hope good three things keeping the name Christy mirac in the spotlight although still positive
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Vince is hoping for a righteous end to this quarter Century long Saga that's closure in my eyes you know she's never
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going to come back we understand that but as long as we can get someone that paid you know serve Justice for this
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that would be good enough for us at this [Music] point today's case takes place in
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beautiful Lancaster County Pennsylvania Lancaster County has six suburbs located within its borders East
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lamper Township is one of those suburbs the township covers 21 square miles and has a population of approximately 16,000
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people East lamper is in what they call Amish Country the picturesque landscape has Rolling Hills and lush green grasses
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and crops there are farms with windmills and and horse and Buggies sharing the roads with Cadillacs and Camry East
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lamper Township rate of violent crimes was and is extremely low here you have a better chance of colliding with a horse
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and buggy than getting robbed this is a perfect combination of a little bit of City living with the landscape in the
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feel of country living this most certainly is an ideal place to live work and raise a family Christy Merrick
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decided this would be the perfect location for a young woman to start her professional life Christy was lucky
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enough to find a nice three-bedroom townhouse and what she saw as a perfect location this is the Greenfield Estates
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Lux struck a second time when she found the perfect roommate to share her townhouse with as well as the bills
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Christy Merrick and her female roommate lived in a quiet development of town homes located near a business park with
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a barn and a grain silo just steps away this place could only be described as peaceful and quiet if she steered clear
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of the horse and the buggies she would be safe at least that is what she thought now 25-year-old Christy Mar had
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wanted to be a school teacher for as long as anyone could remember heck she had practically been rehearsing her
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whole life for her dream job when she was little she would play pretend school and christe's brother and sister were
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her first group of students and Christy would always end up playing the role of the teacher at school Christy was the
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perfect student she worked hard and received great grades her hard work paid off when she was accepted into
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Millersville University now she didn't want to burden her parents with the cost of college so she worked as a part-time
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waitress at a local Country Club she also did some work as an assistant to a pharmacist at the neffsville pharmacy
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this of course to help pay her way Christy was a very positive person with a beautiful personality now she worked
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these part-time jobs with the same great attitude that she applied in life friends and co-workers would say that
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Christy was always happy and could easily make her surroundings better than before she had arrived kind of opposite
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of Captain grumpy pants well I think you're battling through something over there today yeah it's it's either a
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cocaine addiction or allergies the C the captain is uh what they would refer to in sports is he he's playing but he's
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about 75% yeah maybe 65 after graduating from Millersville University Christy set
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out to make a difference her Dream came true when she was hired as a sixth grade
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teacher at rown Elementary School located in Lancaster County Pennsylvania she loved her students and the feeling
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was Mutual her enthusiasm was contagious and she quickly became a favorite not only with her students but with the
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parents and other teachers as well now she was living her dream the pay allowed her to do what 25-year-old women want to
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do she liked to have fun and this included hitting some of the local night spots with her girlfriends uh never to
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excess though she was not that kind of person she was very concerned about safety as well a young lady walking
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around drunk could be dangerous so christe knew better her father had advised her on ways that she could keep
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herself safe and she followed his advice she would have her keys out and ready right when she was ready to leave you
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know she would park in different parking spaces and at the tow houses where she lived she would drive different routes
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home from time to time and she would never answer the door without asking several people or sorry several times
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who was knocking who's there right um little safety tip here Captain go with a peephole instead of just shouting
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through the door yeah so these were all practice precautions to keep her safe in
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her controlled environment on Sunday December 20th 1992 Christie spent the evening preparing gifts for her students
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I think this kind of shows what kind of person and what kind of teacher she was uh she was giving each child a copy of
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the book miracles on Maple Hill this is by by Virginia Sorenson inside the front cover Christy
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wrote the same message inside each book it stated something to the effect of wishing you a very merry Christmas and a
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great 1993 love Miss Merrick you know like in one of the students she wrote like I
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hope you're not in my class next year or something like you know just one of them
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don't talk to me in '93 yeah 93 we're not on speaking terms anymore well she tied a little candy cane to each book to
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add a little Christmas decoration flavor this this being described as very much in typical Christy fashion after a good
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night's sleep Christy was ready for the new week she woke up started her day her
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day and got ready to go off to work now I want to kind of bring something up here studying this case and looking into
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this case brought back some memories for me for grade school middle school and that week you know this is the week
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before you leave to go on on Christmas vacation one of the best weeks of school it's like it's the best school week you
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don't really there's am I crazy or is there like the the work is a little less the work's a lot less it seems a very
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relaxed this is very similar to the week before spring break as well same and the
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end of the year so it's like those are the three best I think times to be in elementary school or middle school well
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and even if you have a teacher that you disagree with um the teacher's always in
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a very good mood that week because they know they're going to be off and not have to see you the following week right
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and then and then you're in a good mood too as well because you're like hey I'm going on break and when you're when
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you're a child Christmas is like waking up in Disney World so Christy woke up probably very excited for the week ahead
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and and she got ready to go off to work now Christy's roommate had left for work
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first on this day and was already gone by the time christe had put on her brown leather jacket and winter gloves do we
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know what her roommate did for a living I do not know what she did for a living um but the roommate is gone and at this
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point christe is preparing the gifts remember she has all these gifts to bring to school that day for her
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students and she's preparing the gifts to be loaded into her car placing them near the front door she grabbed her keys
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and she started out the door and into the cold Lancaster County air but just as soon as she felt the rush of cold air
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someone had grabbed the door and pushed Christy back inside the man entered her home closed the door behind him and
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tackled her to the ground after christe's roommate had left for work Christy's attacker was just outside
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waiting for the sound of the door to open so he could push her in by 9:00 a.m. Christy's sixth grade classroom was
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full with the exception of Christy the teacher this was extremely unlike the young hardworking professional rarely
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was she late to work and rarely did she ever miss work even more strange christe
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had not called into the school's office to say that she would be late or absent that day so her boss the principal of
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the school this is Harry Goodman calls Christy's home and look for her now the phone rings but rather than Christy or
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her roommate picking up the phone just rings and rings at first principal Goodman just assumed maybe Christy was
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not picking up the phone because she had already left she's on her way to work and was still on her way to the school
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but we have to keep in mind here I have a feeling that even though her class is waiting for her at 9:00 a.m. that
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they've been waiting for some time and maybe christey had obligations before this 9:00 am uh time when he starts
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calling for her right so he gives it another few minutes and he tries calling Christy again but receives the same
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result nobody picks up the phone Goodman opened up Christie's file and retrieved
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a phone number for christe's mother Goodman called christe's mother and informed her that she had not arrived at
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school that morning and was asking if Christy had visited Shamokin I believe that's how you pronounce that that's
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where the mother lived that weekend that is where christe's parents lived right right so Mrs Merrick informed the
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principal that Christy had not visited her and shimoken that weekend and that the mother started to become very
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worried at this point yeah but good for the principal for calling you know emergency contact number yeah so Mrs
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Jerry Merrick is her mother she started calling Christy's uh East lamper Township townhouse and just like when
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the principal had called her daughter never answered right so shortly after 9:00 a.m. principal Goodman drives to
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Christie's townhouse he arrives at approximately 9:15 a.m. he parked his car and he made his way up the sidewalk
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to her townhouse when he gets to the front porch he notices that the front door is slightly a jar he lightly pushes
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with his hand and the door swings all the way open this is not a good sign no and inside Goodman finds christe's
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motionless body body lying on the living room floor and the students gifts are they're scattered throughout the room
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Christy still had her jacket and her gloves on but her underwear pants and shoes had been removed and the clothing
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on her torso was pushed up the police were called and arrived very quickly now principal Goodman had to call 911 from a
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neighbor's house and when he ran out of Christy's townhouse he closed the door behind behind him and when the police
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arrived on the scene they found the front door locked so they were forced to break in to to get to Christie okay so
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Christie unfortunately was reported dead on police arrival well it might have been one of those things where you
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locked the door from the inside and then she went to leave and that that's when she was attacked bring her back into the
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to the apartment and then when the perpetrator left they didn't shut the door mhm and the door is still locked
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yeah so that's probably what happened well detectives begin to scour the scene for Clues immediately they noticed that
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there was uh no signs of forced entry into the home here we have some options as to what may have happened here and
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earlier I said that the the attacker waited outside waiting to hear the door open to push her in well that's one
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option that's kind of a bit of a creative Avenue you have to go down to to tell a bit of a story
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but we're at the we how this individual may have got to christe that um she knew
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the the perpetrator exactly did she let her attack her in was this someone she knew or was this someone she thought she
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knew maybe mistaken identity right um did someone knock and she just opened up the door which seems maybe unlikely when
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we have the brother and her father later saying that she would often call through
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the door who's there you know who who is it multiple times to kind of confirm who
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it may be on the other side of the door it's such a weird time for attack too I mean you know before 9:00 a.m. in the
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morning I mean early on a Monday morning yeah very very odd started the work week
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for most people and as we said earlier was this a situation where someone had seen Christy's roommate leaving for work
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and then the attacker decides to make a move because of either a believing that christe is now alone inside the home and
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B knowing she will go out the front door and walk out to her vehicle how much did
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this attacker know about this situation right but with without the force entry it seems like the perpetrator knew
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Christie either knew her routine or knew her personally yes right so from what detectives could see it looked as if she
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was assaulted almost instantly at the doorway they found a shoe they found shoe scuff marks on the inside portion
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of the front door they found scuffs and scrapes on the entryway floor suggesting
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that Christy was dragged from the front entrance way to back inside of the the home into that front room so she was hit
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with something well let's go through this it it it appears that she would have been
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dragged I don't know if she would have been tackled or hit before the dragging took place there was a slash um in the
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sofa slip cover uhhuh and it was also noted that no furniture was overturned so this was a scuffle but it seemed
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pretty contained to this to the front door area so other than the books that were to be to be gifts right having been
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strewn about there was not a lot of disturbance to the room or to the items inside the the home where she lived
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right which makes it lean more towards uh somebody that's physically bigger than her somebody that could control her
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pretty easily and less likely somebody her equal size could you think there would have been more of a struggle right
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well and a wooden cut a wooden cutting board was found near Christy's head it was covered in blood and christe's face
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was distorted she had been hit with this several times yeah mer had suffered a brutal beating as well and it appeared
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to detectives that she had fought hard and desperately for her life a cutting board may sound like an unlikely weapon
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but it it seems on the surface to be a very unlikely weapon however as weird as it sounds Captain I've read several
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cases where a cutting board is used in an attack right and I think why because of several reasons okay it's this is a
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heavy object and usually not always but usually these cutting boards are kept on
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countertops so so I'm assuming this was Christy's cutting board I believe it to be yes I don't think that that an
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attacker is is bringing a cutting board as choice of weapon to the scene that'd be a little strange right why is he
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walking around with feel like you could pick a dozen better weapons yeah if you ever see somebody walk around with a
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cutting board call the cops well so here's my thoughts on this unless they're coming at a Pottery Barn the
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other cases where I've seen a cutting board used in the perpetration of a of a murder is you know it's readily
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available to the attacker if it's kept on the countertop you know if the attacker came into the the scene
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unprepared or surprised when they could not overtake the person they they were attacking this is something that they
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might see on the countertop go for knowing that they could strike the individual and render them unconscious
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or knocking them to the ground and maybe kind of gain control of the situation I
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think this is actually ladder here though I think it's almost like there was an attack that happen and the the
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the blunt force trauma would have happened afterwards that's just my gut feeling and I also this kind of The
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Cutting Board being used as a weapon almost is is the same reason why you see a kitchen knife often being used as a
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weapon because sometimes it's something that's in a knife block sitting on the countertop and it's just something you
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see in the in the area that you go and grab and reach for during the course of an attack or a scuffle now also
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sometimes the person that is being attacked you know when right will grab something yeah when they discover
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someone in their home they grab whatever for defense and maybe she grabbed the cutting board and the attacker ends up
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taking it from them and you using it against them right regardless Christy suffered blunt trauma to her neck back
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upper chest and her jaw was fractured her elbows and knees were very badly bruised the cause of death was
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strangulation after investigating the scene for almost 3 hours the phone at Christy's home began to ring an officer
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picked up the phone it was Christy's mother Jerry Merrick She was That's horrible for the mom you know yeah she
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well keep in mind she's still worried because she's not heard from her daughter and she's not heard from
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Principal Goodman that's the worst case scenario I mean you're trying to call your daughter at her apartment she's
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young she's a young professional she seems very dedicated to her job and to the children she's trying to teach try
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to make the world a better place and you're calling just to see if she's okay and then a police officer answers the
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phone she's simply calling to to find her daughter to right to see if christe is okay to get in touch with her now the
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officer that picked up the phone told her that they needed her Mrs Merrick the mother to come to Lancaster Mrs Merck
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asked why what is wrong right you know was Christy okay was she hurt was she involved in uh you know what was going
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on and the officer would say no more other than there was an accident and christe was
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welcome back to the colonel and dickn NOS show all right Captain let's go through the investigation I just sound
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awful I sound more awful than I normally do you usually sound pretty good not today my friend not today not today I
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said 75% I think you're right 6 5% I sound like I have a bowl of soup in my nose have another cup of coffee and
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maybe we'll get you get you up up in the percenti a little bit Yeah so let's go through the investigation because I
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think most will agree and that it looks like the police did a good job with this
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one and our murderer well he left evidence he was not super stealthy when committing these crimes so shall we
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start with eyewitnesses first or move to the physical evidence well am I right in
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saying that it's seems like the motive was the rape yes it seems I don't know that I
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would say 100% that the motive was the rape but um it's looking that way it it certainly looks like this is a personal
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crime but we're going to have we're going to have evidence we're going to have at least evidence of seaman on the
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victim okay all right so let's go through eyewitness uh evidence first and then we'll get into the physical stuff
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so neighbors say that they saw a car pull into to a lot directly across from Christy's home this was shortly after
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christe's roommate left for work at approximately 7 a.m. witness Witnesses described the vehicle as a 1984 to 1991
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Dodge Daytona or Turismo hatchback it was either faded silver doll gray or faded white in color okay
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the vehicle's distinguishing features included rollup headlamps and black sun shades on the back window now A man
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jumped out from the car and according to these Witnesses was seen jumping out of
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the car and heading toward christe's door police would later describe this man as Caucasian in his 20s tall with an
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athletic build and sandy blonde or light brown hair possibly in a crew cut this of course according to the eyewitness
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statements that they gathered when talking to neighbors en canvasing the area Okay police theorized at the time
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that Christie either knew the man or opened the door expecting to see someone else when he then forced his way inside
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as we discussed earlier the possibilities of how did this individual man to manage to get inside the home or
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get a hold of Christie at least a neighbor heard a single scream at approximately 7:15 a.m. now no one
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claims to have seen seen this man leave and I'm guessing you know leaving either
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Christy's home the the front door front porch area or even leaving the lot across the way well and also these Town
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Homes they're in a row so there's multiple unit so you could see a man walking towards a unit but you don't
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know exactly which unit that he went into but now that you have a unknown a male heading towards those row of
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townhous then we could assume that this guy is probably the one that was the perpetrator in this crime yes and
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although police initially proceeded under the assumption that Christy may have known her killer they also didn't
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want to rule out the possibility of a random killing now the medical examiner findings were that Christie had been
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beaten sexually assaulted and strangled sometime between 6 and 8 a.m. that morning now remember the roommate said
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that she had left the town house for work right around 7 a.m. okay so unless you suspect the roommate was involved in
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any way um we got set now it makes a window 7even to eight yes we've we've narrowed this attack and the murder to a
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very small window of about 60 minutes all right let's go over the physical evidence well you were exactly right my
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friend as you had stated earlier the police did recover and catalog DNA from the murder scene this was DNA from sperm
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found on several areas of her body and clothing and also on a piece of the carpet immediately underneath of her now
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for the in investigation as for tracking this guy down for that portion of the investigation the meric family offered
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up a $10,000 reward for information in the case yeah from what I could find in the reports it looks like initially
00:31:55
three men were considered to be suspects by the police so right away we have some
00:32:00
Persons of Interest which we don't see that in every case that we cover so this is this is good news if you're you know
00:32:08
uh but again the law enforcement was leaning towards the fact that she knew yes you know her attacker so therefore
00:32:15
that kind of makes the you know we we narrowed down the time frame but we're now we're narrowing down this pool of
00:32:22
individuals yes so three men were considered to be suspects by the police initially we believe and this may have
00:32:29
actually included principal Goodman really and the thought here is okay so and I want to be clear about
00:32:38
this the we know from the reports that they had suspected three individuals three you know possibility that one of
00:32:46
these three individuals had killed Christy may we have three douche canoes and a canoe I can't say with certainty
00:32:53
that law enforcement considered principal Goodman to be one of these but what I can say is in the public eye and
00:32:59
in the media it certainly looked like some people suspected he might be one of these possible suspects yeah in all
00:33:06
fairness you know he yeah he called people uh that's possibly to establish an alibi but he he also found her so
00:33:16
therefore that that's going to just you know create some red flags and some questioning whether you know whether or
00:33:23
not he was involved at all the person who finds the Mur victim should always be looked at as as a suspect in my
00:33:30
opinion and furthermore to that effect I think the public and the media were questioning why uh he was so quick to go
00:33:40
over to her home right um and then the other thing was the police show up and all of a sudden the door is locked and
00:33:48
you kind of went over the logistics of that that possibly it may have been set to be locked before the principal even
00:33:57
went into the apartment right and then the act of closing the door behind him when he runs over to get a phone to call
00:34:04
911 I actually find that to be an honorable act on two levels one if I'm a detective I'm like cool this dude helped
00:34:14
preserve the crime scene in a small manner by closing the door and and furthermore
00:34:21
it's you know the way that her body was left right it's not something that you know it's she was left in a way that was
00:34:30
that was degrading to her and for her for him to close the door to have the the forethought to close the door as a
00:34:36
sign of respect to his colleague I think was a simple nice gesture well and what
00:34:43
of a what a mench of a guy because he's at work he's a principal and she's young
00:34:49
she yeah she has a roommate but she lives with another female and he probably felt protected of protective of
00:34:57
her on some level and so yeah you call at 9 o' and then by 9:15 know he could have just had a gut feeling that
00:35:04
something's not right and I I just think what what a what a guy for going over and and you know caring about his
00:35:11
employees well and not only that you know time of death was believed to be between 6:00 and 8:00 a.m. and as we've
00:35:19
discussed several times on this show specifically when we discussed the Aurora Hammer Slayer case you know it's
00:35:25
not just so easy like you see on TV where they walk up they they stick something in the body
00:35:31
they take its temperature and they go well the time of death was 7113 right you know it's they are going
00:35:38
off of body temperature they're using other determining factors to come up with that time frame however a lot of
00:35:46
times and and what we see here is what we can infer when we look at these cases is sometimes these individuals are
00:35:55
supposed to meaning the victim were supposed to have been somewhere or been with someone right at a certain time and
00:36:03
when they do not arrive at that location or they do not meet that person well we
00:36:07
can assume that they were either in danger or already dead by that time so here's my guess when they say 6:00 a.m.
00:36:15
to 8:00 a.m. is there a chance that she was supposed to be at school around 8:00
00:36:20
a.m. and because she was not seen at that time then okay she may have already been in trouble or she was already
00:36:27
murdered by that point yeah cuz some some teachers have like early morning duties they can sign up for that I think
00:36:33
they get paid a little extra not really for sure but where you will get there why the buses get there so you have to
00:36:39
be there probably half half an hour to an hour before most of the other teachers so where we see principal
00:36:46
Goodman here and people questioning why he was so quick to go over to Christy's home well my thoughts are two things one
00:36:55
Christy lived only about 10 minutes from the school so we're not talking about like this guy went way out of his way
00:37:03
first of all second of all we're talking about a situation where it's very likely
00:37:07
she was supposed to have been there at 8:00 a.m. right this guy waited an hour it's not like he's sitting there at the
00:37:13
front door like what is that uh Back to the Future where the principal's like right by the front door waiting for
00:37:19
Marty McFly to be two seconds late I think that's Ferris Beer's day off Ferris my bad but you see what I'm
00:37:26
saying it's not like this guy is sitting there right by the front door looking at
00:37:30
his watch and and she's 2 minutes late he hops in his his car and drives over to her house right he doesn't look
00:37:36
suspicious to me at all but like like you said the person that finds the body you have to look at you got to look at
00:37:43
them you got to look at him there were several teachers that had had a long working relationship with principal
00:37:49
Goodman and they just said that's who he was you know he was he was not just our
00:37:53
boss he was like a part of the team he was a friend he was a colleague he was some that would go to B for the people
00:37:59
that worked at his school he considered it a community uh of people working together to educate these children yeah
00:38:06
cheers to all the teachers and my my sister is a teacher a lot of family members are teachers I mean Che that's a
00:38:12
job cheers to the Educators there's other people yeah yeah but you know it's a I'm sick leave me alone I'm not I'm
00:38:19
not actually sick I actually feel fine I just sound like [ __ ] well I'll tell you
00:38:24
what okay so now we know we do know that there are reports of three possible suspects early on in this investigation
00:38:32
now you and I both agree principle Goodman whether he was considered to be one of those three or not he doesn't
00:38:38
look suspicious to you and I agreed well right think about his last name he's Goodman Goodman how could he have done
00:38:46
it not princi badman the individual there is an individual that does look very suspicious so this included the of
00:38:54
the three suspects we do know that this this included a man that investigators believed was having uh behaving very
00:39:01
strangely almost immediately after the murder okay so the day after Christy was killed a 45-year-old man named Ken
00:39:09
lockoff showed up at Christy's school now I'm unclear as to his reasoning for being at the school meaning meaning this
00:39:18
what I'm not sure of was did he show up there looking for Christie or asking what had happened to her right so
00:39:27
regardless we do know that he shows up at her work and he's asking about her I don't know if he's asking for her or if
00:39:33
he shows up saying does anybody know what happened to Christie right did they date or something well get this so so
00:39:41
here's what's going on this out mother he was he was briefed on what had happened to her the day before right and
00:39:50
shortly after being briefed he left the school but later he called the school twice that same day
00:39:57
later this man was observed at Christy's funeral when investigators started looking through christe's private life
00:40:04
and digging through her past they discovered that this man was having an extramarital affair with christe so this
00:40:13
Ken lockoff was a significantly older married man that Christy Merrick has she was discreetly dating this guy Part-Time
00:40:23
Lover well police round this guy up they go and they get Ken and they bring him in and they talk to him now police would
00:40:30
later say that Ken fully cooperated with the police and their investigation into
00:40:36
Christy's murder this meaning he answered all of their questions he passed two polygraph test and he
00:40:43
submitted his DNA which later cleared Ken from their suspect list well but that's how you do it right I mean he he
00:40:51
showed up cuz he cared about her he showed up trying to get answers then when the police come knock knocking on
00:40:56
his door he's like hey full cooperation I'll answer all your questions oh lie detector I'll take two I'll take two
00:41:04
give me two of those that's funny I tell you what though here's the thing my just
00:41:08
just my humble opinion I would avoid the lie detector at all cost okay even if I'm innocent I agree except for in this
00:41:17
case you know why because we have DNA that's true so I'd go okay I'm submitting you my DNA let's take the lie
00:41:25
detect I get that makes sense now and also you know how this works when they give you
00:41:31
the lie detector they'll say okay we we ask we asked the colonel 12 questions three of them he was well a little iffy
00:41:41
on right right so but I think if there's DNA and you know that you didn't do this
00:41:48
submit the DNA you know well yeah that's the other thing too I don't I don't want
00:41:53
to play your your your games and do the monkey t let's here's my DNA and let's get this over with if there were no DNA
00:42:01
uh this is just my opinion I would never take a polygraph test because it especially if I'm innocent and the
00:42:10
reason being is as the suspect you have nothing to gain because even if you let's say you pass it it's not
00:42:17
admissible in the court of law right so like o I got an A++ Plus on my polygraph
00:42:23
test but we can't tell anybody in court that right I mean if you look at the West Memphis 3 case I mean Jesse Miss
00:42:31
Kelly passes a lie detector and then then confesses to the murder well and what and and if the cops even believed
00:42:39
in this idea of a polygraph then you'd go oh well here's this guy that clearly told us the truth now he's telling us a
00:42:47
lie he needs to stop telling us a lie so I I agree with you there's nothing good
00:42:52
that can come from right you can only lose out of it right and the other thing too especially in a situation like this
00:42:58
where like you said he shows up on the scene caring about her asking questions about her I understand he's having an
00:43:04
extramarital affair that doesn't mean he's not in love with her and furthermore he cooperates in the
00:43:09
investigation that also shows one he's innocent two that he cared about her and what I'm what I'm getting at here is
00:43:17
referencing something that John Douglas educated me on through through his books
00:43:23
was stating that sometimes especially with a husband or a wife when you question them about a child or a loved
00:43:31
one you know their their their spouse or another loved one's death you have there's a certain bit of
00:43:37
survivors guilt there's also especially with a husband there's this there's kind
00:43:42
of this ingrained thing in our DNA where we're supposed to protect our families right
00:43:48
and when a family member dies we and probably ingrained in well ined in everybody well you know for the children
00:43:55
I'm I'm going off of referencing Douglas's words though where he states that you know with with a husband in
00:44:03
particular that that you could get false false positives meaning false positives
00:44:09
of signs of deception during the test because even though the the husband had nothing to do with the death of his wife
00:44:17
or the murder of his wife he still feels guilty for not having protected her from
00:44:21
what happened right so this is one of those situations where I feel like it's just
00:44:26
it's a lose but congratulations to Ken for being forthcoming and helping out in the investigation and like we've said
00:44:33
many times Captain with a lot of these cases when we look at things it's hard to sit down and just just solve
00:44:41
something especially you know for the police maybe for you they can't just sit down and solve something but if they can
00:44:47
cross something off their list if they can if they can strike something from the list from the list of possibilities
00:44:54
they can start to hone in on different things and angled the investigation and maybe it leads you to the
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