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grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] crime [Music] [Music] oh January 2001 a young man not even 30 years of
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age named Scott Ponder decided to start up his own business Scott was a very passionate
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motorcycle Enthusiast so he took his love and knowledge of motorcycles and decided to
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open up a motorcycle and power sports dealership called Superbike Motorsports in chzn South
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Carolina Scott's best friend Brian Lucas was hired as the first employee of of Superbike Brian shared the same
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enthusiasm for all things to wield and Brian had the skills to service and repair
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motorbikes so Brian became the Shop's service manager the store became a quick success Scott used the internet to
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increase his customer base and boost sales and Superbikes saw more than 1 million in sales in the store's first
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year Scott's mom Beverly guy became a helpful hand at her son's business often times she would run errands for her
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son's store and Scott enjoyed having her around the shop so he hired her as the company's
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bookkeeper in 2002 the business saw continued success in 2003 as super bike's business increased so would the
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employee roster scotton Bryan hired a skilled young man named Chris Schubert to be a
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mechanic Superbike Motorsports really had become the place to go for all things Motorsports so people would go into the
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store to make purchases seek expert advice or sometimes just hang out and talk shop on Thursday November 6th 2003 NL
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Lee a regular at Superbike and close friend of Scott Ponder called the store at 230 p.m. to tell Ponder's mother
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Beverly that he was coming there to drop off some tickets to a motorcycle race that would be held the next night at the
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boo Center no planned to go with Ponder and Lucas Beverly told null that they would
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be at the shop and to go ahead and drop in null took a shower and then left his house and he arrived at Superbike around
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300 p.m. n pulled into the parking lot and he saw his friend Brian Lucas lying face up in the front entrance of the
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shop null parked his BMW next to Beverly's car when he got out of his vehicle he noticed Scott Ponder's body
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Scott's body was in a puddle of blood his head on the pavement his body partially on the concrete sidewalk and
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partially under his mother's car Brian Lucas's body was propping the shattered glass door open n stepped over his
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friend's body and ran inside the shop and over to the telephone on the parts counter he called
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911 at the same time null is yelling to Brian and Scott telling them that he was
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getting them some help while no was on the phone with the 911 operator he saw Scott's mother Beverly she was laying on
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the floor just outside the bathroom of the large showroom which was located in the middle
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of the Superbike store she was not moving and there was blood around her null told the operator that there
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should be a fourth person Chris sherbet somewhere in in the store but he was advised not to go
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wandering around the store the operator told n for his own safety he needed to go
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outside the police and paramedics are on their way to Superbike and you need to get out of the
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store the minutes he waited outside were long ones as help arrived Lee sat across
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the street in the grass trying to convince himself that everything he had just experienced was not real and that
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his friends were still alive when paramedics and police arrived they found Scott Brian and Beverly all were dead
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upon arrival they found Chris sheret in the very back of the store he had been shot
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once in the head and was slumped over a motorcycle that he had been working on in that short time between the time
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null had called the store and arrived at the store all hell had broken loose because sometimes between 2:30 p.m. and
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300 p.m. on that Thursday in November someone had walked into the superbike Motorsports store and shot the owner his
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mother and both employees in the head this is true crime [Music] garage [Music] the crime became known as the super bike
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murders and it seemed as senseless as it was coldblooded nothing was was taken from
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the store this was not a robbery in fact an envelope of cash was lying it was left lying in plain sight MH police
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searched for leads and they pursued a variety of theories Sheriff Bill coffee and his investigators they interviewed
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dozens of people and they followed dozens of tips within the weeks that followed but before we get into some of
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those leads Captain I want to talk about a few strange things here that that were
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right out of the gate with this case mhm so just days after the superbike murders
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law enforcement they're on record stating that there were some similarities to another crime that had
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occurred that same year this is the May 2003 triple homicide that took place at Blue Ridge Savings Bank both locations
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were somewhat isolated and the the investigators thought that the attacks did not appear
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to be random now both of the these attacks involved some execution style shootings which resulted in multiple
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homicides so they're stating that we're seeing some similarities here as to what
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we saw with the superbike murders now at this Bank uh in May of 2003 at the Blue
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Ridge Bank the bank teller Sylvia hortz claw she was killed along with two customers James and Margaret Burns were
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both killed in that incident the thing that seems strange to me Captain is that they come out right of the gate saying
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that we think that there's some similarities here the big problem for me is immediately there's one very
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different issue is that the bank that absolutely was a robbery right it was a takeover yeah and the the super bike
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situation we we see money left in plain sight and this was a very successful business this Superbike Motorsports and
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think about it they're selling High ticket items you know motorcycles are not cheap you know you don't just walk
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in there and pay 50 bucks and walk out of there with a motorcycle that' be awesome if you did I would have I would
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have at least three but another strange thing in this Captain I find to be very strange is
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that Scott Ponder he's the uh young man that owned the super bike store MH he's the son of William Dean Ponder and now
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William Dean Ponder is a man that went missing 13 years before Scott was killed at his store now there's no evidence to
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suggest that these cases are any way connected at all according to uh investigators but just to give you a
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quick rundown of that scenario of the of his father's situation that was way back in August of
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1993 where William Dean Ponder spent the evening with friends at a place called Jay's Tavern this was pretty close to
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his home his friends stated that they dropped him off at the Martin feed mill at the intersection of Paris Bridge Road
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and Martin Camp Road now the man was never seen or heard from again William's father was the one that reported him
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missing uh reported him missing on September 2nd now William I guess had a criminal record which dated back to 1976
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and included charges for drug and alcohol offenses property crimes and weapons violations well it's possible
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that that law enforcement knew more about money possibly and so maybe when they say it's similar to the bank
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takeover is there some kind of money that was taken that they didn't know about or was the attacker for forced to
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flee the building before he could he or she or they could make off with whatever
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they intended to to get from the store right um regarding his father William was released from prison just two months
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before his disappearance and I guess Foul Play is a strong suspicion in that case because in 2006 a former
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acquaintance of Williams told police that William had in fact been murdered um he has been declared legally dead but
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his remains to this date have never been found I wanted to make sure that we brought that up because that is a
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strange thing that that you find when you first start looking at these super bike murders you're like wait a second
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oh my God this guy's father has disappeared mhm you almost feel like there's something somebody uh working
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and plotting against the family but as we said investigators state that they don't see any connection between the two
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crimes now back to the leads that we discussed now Scott Ponder was a bright young businessman we said that his young
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business was was very successful over a million dollars in sales its first year so of course Superbike Motorsports was
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located on a road and situated in town where a lot of vehicles are going to drive past this big business during the
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course of of a daily you know everyone's daily routines so the first leads by law
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enforcement were that there was three cars that were seen at Super bikes that day and the sheriff's department they
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started working with a Graphics Company to draw up computerized composits of the
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vehicles that were seen at the shop on that fateful day now the vehicles that were seen at the shop earlier in the day
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are described as follows the first was was believed to possibly be an early '90s small red Chevy Cavalier or
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possibly a Honda Civic M with like a boxy rear and then the other vehicle scene was a late model Chevrolet Z71
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pickup truck described as a medium blue with factory wheels and chrome exhaust and chrome bed rails and here's a very
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good detailed item regarding the truck the truck had a 45 Day South Carolina tag on the back now when the sheriff
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released this information to the public he was smart to remind all of us that you know someone with a truck matching
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this description or if you see one call it in do not dismiss a truck of this description simply because it no longer
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has the 45-day tag on the back those things expire and uh could be switched out at really at any time MH now the
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Third vehicle Captain was a sporty small light blue pickup truck making model unknown
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there was another lead and this lead was a man and a woman were seen near the dealership around the time of the
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murders and then shortly again after the murders both were known drug users with
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Shady reputations it took some time but police were able to track these two down
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and it turns out that the lead fizzled out pretty quickly they were cleared of having any involvement plus you have to
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wonder too if two addicts were went into this place looking for for money committed the crime why did they leave
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such a large amount of cash behind and not take anything now in the weeks that followed the massacre n Lee remember
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he's the man that that arrived at Superbike store only to find his friends had been killed well he says that he
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didn't have time to grieve for his friends instead he found himself under the scrutinizing eye of homicide
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detectives well he was the last one to call the shop he found them and he has no alibi before that time that he showed
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up to the shop yeah and I guess technically you know we're we're going off of what he says he found and so
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technically he has no alibi for his time at the shop as well one thing that's very strange with this guy um is he had
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a cell phone on him and that that called into question a lot of his actions because police were immediately like
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well if you saw your two friends murdered right out in front of the shop mhm the danger could still be in the
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shop the killer could still be be in there right why would you why would you practically leap over the body of your
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friend run into the store and use the store's phone to call 911 now he stated simply this that when
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he saw his friends killed in the parking lot M he just kind of forgot like you know what I mean like nothing really
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made sense to him he kind of forgot everything he was I think he immediately went into shock and just kind of went on
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instincts at that point well fight or flight right M and he he for some whatever reason just kind of shot into
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the store and picked up the phone of the store but at least he called 911 the tricky thing too is that he tells the
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911 operator after he sees you know he didn't see Beverly guy killed until he was on the phone with the operator and
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at some point well he didn't see her dead right and at some point he tells the operator this and then says you know
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there should be a fourth person in the building mhm the operator tells him well you need to get out of the building to
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which he does you know he follows the direction of the operator again because he was in shock now somebody's telling
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him hey you probably should be outside and he's like oh yeah and I think that probably makes more sense I think that
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the investigators found it pretty curious that he happened to know that there were four people in the store and
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four people were ultimately found dead there but like we said he was a regular he he was good friends with Brian good
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friends with Scott and he would have known what was going on at the store he would have had a good
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idea hey there's anytime the store's open there's four people here right when it's like back in the day when I taught
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guitar lessons I mean people would come into the store they would never see me there I was in the back room teaching
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guitar lessons but regular customers that came in once a week or twice a week they knew what days I was there on so if
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something happened at the store they'd easily be able to say there was probably a teacher in the back you know I know
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he's there you know Monday through Thursday or whatever so the the fact that they find that
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suspicious I mean this guy is dropping off tickets to them you see what I mean like it seems like he has a a closer
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relationship than just customer um store relationship well I'm glad you bring that up because I don't know that
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everybody will fully identify with how these kind of stores run you know so this whole this whole business is based
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off of a hobby and some people people that are into Motorsports people that are into guitars and music right they're
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usually pretty hardcore about those Hobbies those are serious timec consuming hobbies that and expensive
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expensive as well and you know this from working at the guitar store that people
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sometimes would drop in just to kill time oh yeah we had regular customers that would probably show up like I said
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once or twice a week and sometimes they're not there to buy anything sometimes it's it's just part of their
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routine it's become part of their weekly deal where they're like I got an extra hour and a half I'm going to drop by
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this the guitar shop see if they got anything new in see what see what the captain's up to you know just kind of
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shoot the [ __ ] so to speak is what a lot of them do come in and talk shop yeah
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and then if you didn't see them for a couple weeks when they came in the first thing you said Is Where Have You Been
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yeah oh you know I just got busy and they'd always say but every week if they came in uh if they came in on a Monday
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they'd say hey got anything new in they came in two days later you got anything new in mhm and that was just but half
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the time you would't even talk about guitars you just kind of talk about life or whatever it it was like hanging out
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with your music buddies well no Lee the man that arrived at the superbike to find his friends murdered they
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fingerprinted him they dusted his car he submitted to a li detector test he sat through hours and hours and hours of
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questioning and it took quite a bit of time and quite a bit of work on law enforcement's part but at some point law
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enforcement they say that no Lee he was eventually cleared by the police I don't
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know the details of them clearing him but that's their statement to the public this guy didn't have anything to do with
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the murders of these four people now this is tragic of course these four good people they are killed and as I said
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before I understand why he was a suspect in fact I I would have some strong thoughts about his story as well I have
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read and seen many interviews with this guy though captain and and I hope no has
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fully recovered from this by this point in time but there is no doubt in my mind
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if you see this guy in interviews and you read his words mhm this guy suffered from some serious PTSD from from this
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incident yeah well these these were his friends yeah you know so like I said he was stopping by to drop off tickets to
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event I mean that like I said that goes beyond customer store relationship this was their friend and yes you have to
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look at him because he is the one that found them mhm M but I don't think his story is odd I don't think his story is
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so odd that makes you have to look at him I think you just have to look at him because he was the one that was there
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and found them and called 911 and you have to at least um rule him out or in as a suspect now it took more than a
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month for detectives to track down a very important witness but they were able to interview possibly the last
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person other than the killer or Killers to see the four victims alive this was a
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custom who was in the shop just minutes before the shooting this is a man by the
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name of Kelly cisk this witness told the sheriff's department that he saw a man in the dealership when he was in there
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and he recalled how the unknown man in the shop had inquired about a specific motorcycle and spoke as if he had little
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to no knowledge about bikes so much so that the so much so that the customer found this guy's
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Behavior to be strange and offputting like to the point where even if even if nothing else would have happened that
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day he made a mental note of this dude because the conversation was weird now Kelly cisk was in there simply to pay a
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payment his son had some type of I don't know if it was like an ATV or a quad or
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something like that but he had some kind of recreational vehicle that they had purchased there and he said you know
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once once a month I would drop by and make a payment on that but I would also you know if I went in to make a payment
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I would be in there for a half an hour to minutes cuz I'm looking at the bikes I'm talking shop this guy comes in he's
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talking doesn't know what he's talking about and then I leave and then the place is shot up
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later right the the weird thing too is they brought Kelly back to the dealership after the murders took place
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and I don't know how many days afterwards this was but they were walking him through the store and they
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wanted him to point out anything to them that that looked different than when he
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was last in the store what what was different about this store from the time that you left to now to after these
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murders have happened and he stated he told the detectives that you know the bike that that guy was talking to the
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store owner about it was a black motorcycle he said he found when they walked him through it he they found that
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bike in the back of the store he said no when I was in here this guy was talking
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to him about this bike and it was in the showroom so sometime between Kelly CIS leaving the store that bike had made its
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way from the showroom to the back of the store so I think this shows us that we're working with a pretty good lead a
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a really good tip here and this produced a description and a sketch of this off-putting man the description was a of
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[Music] all right we're back cheers mes cheers now as one would expect the detectives
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looked into the lives of the victims to try to find a reason someone would want to kill them Brian Scott and Beverly did
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not seem to have any bad blood between them or anyone else now of course police always examine the the victim's family
00:28:27
as well and close friends and Melissa Ponder this is Scott's wife she would be no exception so of course she is called
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into the station on several occasions in the months that followed the murders during one visit to the police station
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Melissa changed her baby's diaper during this visit the police unbeknownst to Melissa kept the diaper and after
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Melissa you know after Melissa had thrown it away They confiscated this thing okay so this diaper is taken by
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the police police and it's later sent to a lab to test the DNA DNA samples had been collected from all four victims at
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the murder scene upon running the sample from the diaper against that of samples
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collected at the Superbike store right police determined that Scott was not actually the father of this baby what in
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fact the test results said that Brian Scott's close friend and employee was the baby's father so this is a huge
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issue for any number of reasons not to mention Brian was married as well they confronted the police
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confronted Melissa with this information and she flatly denied the possibility that anyone that anyone other than Scott
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was the father of her baby mhm so she requested that they do a second DNA test that a second test be done well they did
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and for a second time the test came back with the same results saying Brian was the father not Scott okay so does she
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still deny it well there's there's a little more to the story cuz at that point Melissa decides to quit speaking
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with police about the case and she's not willing she she will talk with them but
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at this point she lawyers up and she's not talking with them unless the lawyer is present and often the lawyer was
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recommending that she do not speak to them at all right now people everywhere they started to think that Melissa
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obviously had something to do with these murders right now it took roughly and I say I say roughly but as
00:30:44
it comes as the words come out of my mouth I could only imagine how rough it actually was but it took roughly 18
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months that passed before the cloud of Suspicion surrounding Melissa would disappear okay all right friends and
00:31:00
family of the victims they weren't even sure what to think at this point at some
00:31:06
point Beverly this is Scott's mom remember who worked at the store as well right well the police decided that they
00:31:13
should run her DNA against her son's Scott's DNA okay to see if anything funny was going on there the tests were
00:31:22
run and then the results well what comes back is it's not a match okay so something very strange is going on here
00:31:30
right yeah or bad lab work there you go because after a lot of investigating and
00:31:37
examining what possibly could have happened they realized that Scotts and Brian's DNA samples had been mixed up
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for some reason so this poor lady right she loses her husband and then you say hey um by
00:31:55
the way we took the sample this diaper we took the diaper we took some [ __ ] right and we went down to our lab and we
00:32:02
tested it and came out that Scott is not the you know it's like Mory or something
00:32:08
right it's like he is not the father and she's going wait a second he is the father there's no possibility no no
00:32:16
Brian's a father she's probably thinking because she's telling the truth right right she's probably she knows she's
00:32:22
telling the truth right she knows if who she slept with and who she didn't sleep
00:32:26
with if she's saying there's no way in hell well and the samples probably could have been they could have been mixed up
00:32:32
when they were collected at the crime scene because remember these two poor guys were laying next to each each other
00:32:40
they may have just been mislabeled from the get-go so this means obviously that Melissa was telling the truth Scott was
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the father of her baby Beverly was Scott's mother just like everyone had always thought forever right so suddenly
00:32:54
it doesn't look so suspicious that Melissa was only willing to speak with law enforcement with a lawyer present
00:33:00
well it makes you start wondering the competency of the law enforcement yeah the other thing though too is we have to
00:33:07
think about this because she's trying to help them investigate the murder of her
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husband the the murder of her son's father and then at some point they are telling her this is not Scott's baby I'm
00:33:19
sure she's like oh my God they're they're they're trying to pin this thing on me yeah well she and then once she
00:33:26
knows that they're full of [ __ ] she's probably thinking man these window lickers how are they going to solve the
00:33:33
case well this is the shittiest test I've ever heard of right so but just a real quick note here captain on kind of
00:33:39
uh conflicting theories that were presented by persons closest to the case we have the investigators that believe
00:33:45
that the gunman uh was armed with a pistol or handgun and he entered the shop from the back of the building and
00:33:53
killed Chris sherbet first while he was working on the motorcycle that they later found him slumped over mhm they
00:34:01
believe then the gunman walked through the shop toward the middle of the building then killed Beverly at the
00:34:07
showroom then Brian Lucas at the main doorway and Scott Ponder in the parking lot now null who found the bodies he
00:34:17
says that you know he kind of disagrees with their theories and with the rumors that he had been hearing around town the
00:34:24
rumors he was hearing was that Scott and Brian were potentially running from the
00:34:28
store running from the shop to get away from someone mhm and he thinks that that
00:34:34
what he thinks is more likely having known these guys is that possibly Scott was trying to diffuse some type of
00:34:40
Confrontation that was actually outside of the store when the shots were fired and Brian ran out to Scott's
00:34:48
Aid so just a couple of opinions from persons closest to the case I think I think there's a chance that that both
00:34:56
could be right in a sense that what seems pretty clear though is regardless of the order of the attack and how it
00:35:04
took place Chris sherbet he's working on the bike in the back of the building right and he apparently is unaware that
00:35:13
there was any type of danger at all when he was shot so either he was surprised or had little to know time to react to
00:35:22
what was going on or what was going to happen to him yeah well you wonder how loud it was in the shop because if let's
00:35:29
say it's pretty loud I didn't take that into consideration but let's say you have some music blasting right right so
00:35:35
then or you're wrenching yeah yeah right some noises happening with your tools and there's a conversation with Scott in
00:35:43
the front with this suspect mhm and it gets heated he shoots Scott then Brian's coming out to help
00:35:53
Scott he gets shot he makes his way into the store to to kill the mother but then
00:35:58
he goes around the store to the back mhm where they would be working on the bike
00:36:04
and that's why he would be shot without knowing it's unlikely to me that they would not hear three gunshots but again
00:36:12
depends on how loud the noise is and some people will wear like noise cancelling headphones when they're
00:36:18
working with loud tools or earplugs right uh so we do see you know the detectives chasing leads working them
00:36:26
ultimately to the the point where they start clearing suspects we start seeing the people closest to the victims
00:36:32
getting cleared as suspects specifically the wives and then the friend that found
00:36:36
the bodies leads that were called in about strange people or suspicious people uh that were shared by Witnesses
00:36:44
those were worked and cleared as well with the exception of the lead provided by Kelly cisk and that's the best lead
00:36:51
because when you have a guy that obviously doesn't know what he's talking about or that's what this lead was
00:36:57
saying and then that same bike that that suspect was talking about is on you know
00:37:05
in the back up working on it went from the showroom to the to the service room mhm you know that again that' be like
00:37:13
and all I'm doing is going off of like guitar store knowledge but if some guy came in and he was looking at uh Flying
00:37:21
V right and he said oh yeah I like this Flying V but I'd like to buy it we'd put
00:37:27
it on the the workbench to do a couple tweaks to it before the guy bought it right and so if that guy then shot up
00:37:35
the store and left it well see what I'm saying right well the thing though is okay so Kelly Kelly doesn't know who
00:37:44
this guy is which is which is also strange in a way because this shop had a lot of quote unquote regulars mhm you
00:37:52
know so when he's describing this guy he's saying not only did he not know what he was talking about regarding
00:37:58
motorcycles he's no he's no one that I've ever seen in the store before right and furthermore and this does not come
00:38:06
out very early in the investigation I think this came out quite late but we would later find out that the the bike
00:38:14
the black motorcycle that Chris had been working on or doing something with when he was
00:38:19
shot and ultimately found slumped over that bike right that bike had a a bill of sale written up for that bike but
00:38:27
there was no customer name written on the bill of sale so they they really believed that that just seconds before
00:38:34
this attack went down the bike made its way to the back of the store maybe Chris
00:38:39
took it back there or or it was walked back to him MH somebody's ringing up a bill of sale or writing it out and then
00:38:47
the attacks must have went down right there before they could get this customer's name right and you think a
00:38:54
crime that is this vicious it seems like the subject would have to know at least one or more of the victims but we
00:39:06
don't have really any evidence saying that is true and where we see the um what we had referred to as the
00:39:13
incompetence with the mixing up of the DNA samples MH that that's a little tricky because you know does that fall
00:39:21
on the the crime scene texts did they did they simply label those wrong but regardless if you're going to come out
00:39:28
with an accusation like that maybe yeah you should double Che you should double check your work yeah I mean it it's one
00:39:35
thing to make a mistake it's another thing to not double check and then make accusations like that because um again
00:39:44
this this person is a victim and now you're you're going out I mean just to put in the Public's eyes that hey your
00:39:53
son's father is not his father that makes her look like a pretty shitty person well not only that not only is he
00:40:01
not the father but his his good friend maybe best friend and coworker right or employee is the real father and the
00:40:09
thing is you know people's people's lives and mindsets can be fragile especially a victim of this nature and
00:40:18
to throw that out there you I mean you really could be pushing somebody over the edge to committing suicide or doing
00:40:25
something doing something completely off the off the wall yeah law enforcement's
00:40:30
lucky that she's of strong mind mhm now one thing that I do think that they did well though that that the investigators
00:40:38
did well and I I liken this to an old FBI tactic where when they released the description of this last known man to be
00:40:47
in the Superbike store this this fake customer guy when they release the description and the sketch of him they
00:40:55
specifically say this guy's not a suspect he we're not considering him him a suspect he he is somebody that we
00:41:02
would like to talk to we would like for him to come forward because we believe that he could provide information that
00:41:09
could help solve these cases or maybe he actually saw the real last person that was in the store right unfortunately
00:41:18
this man does not come forward and the now famous case known as the superbike murders or to local law enforcement as
00:41:28
simply super bikes was at a standstill this case was still being worked from time to time now on the anniversary of
00:41:36
the murders on the one two or even five and 10 years after the quad homicide the
00:41:42
phone would ring at the police station and somebody would provide some information that would ultimately be
00:41:48
useless to the solving of the crimes but no matter how cold this case was super bikes was always on the mind
00:41:56
of the good men and women at the sheriff's department and on the hearts and minds of the people in the community
00:42:02
and it just makes you wonder what like their policy or what the procedure was for writing a bill of sale and why there
00:42:10
wasn't somebody's name on that bill of sale MH I wonder too I mean this points out to me Captain that the people
00:42:17
selling the bike right may not have known the man's name and and I know that sounds silly but I mean they don't know
00:42:24
his name by he's not a regular at the store it's more confirmation of that maybe they had to ask him for a driver's
00:42:31
license or something of that nature before they legitimately put it on the bill of sale right but now we have to
00:42:37
fast forward to 13 years later late in 2016 in a in a completely different story here Captain this is taking place
00:42:48
in Anderson South Carolina we have 32-year-old Charles Carver he had recently been through a bitter divorce
00:42:57
and he's now living in an apartment at the Anderson Crossing Apartments complex with his 30-year-old girlfriend Kayla
00:43:04
Brown now Charles who is described as a super downto Earth great country guy he works at First Quality
00:43:14
Enterprises Kayla who did a stint in the US Army After High School was working at
00:43:19
a de dialysis center uh she started working there in 2013 mhm the happy boyfriend and girlfriend they were very
00:43:28
social people uh easy to get along with and could often be seen walking their little pomeranian dog named
00:43:36
Romeo and like Romeo Romeo like a whole bunch of us Charles and Kayla they used Facebook to stay up to date with you
00:43:46
know with their friends and family and such M both were tight with their families and both were considered to be
00:43:53
very reliable and dependable people then one day in early September of 2016 people started to take notice it
00:44:03
seems no one had seen either Charles or Kayla in quite some time both were missing work and people started to
00:44:12
wonder who's taking care of their little dog Romeo right they were both reported
00:44:17
missing and authorities started looking for the couple and started trying to determine where they were last seen and
00:44:24
heard from now according to police reports from the Anderson Police Department Charles's mother Claudia had
00:44:31
been unable to reach him since she says August 29th 2016 so how long is that well they
00:44:39
weren't reported missing until early September and then we have Kayla Brown's friend Leah Miller she told police that
00:44:47
she had last heard from Kayla on August 31st but this was in the form of a short
00:44:53
text message right the message just simply said are you awake I guess Leah did not answer that text until later
00:45:01
that day but when she did reply to the text she never heard anything back from Kayla so Charles's car had vanished as
00:45:09
well the couple's cell phones eventually went dead even their beloved dog was you
00:45:16
know he's at home without food or water right now August 31st the August 31st text Captain is believed to be the last
00:45:26
communication from either one of these people and this is until we start seeing some activity in September in October
00:45:34
these are odd postings that appear on Facebook okay they're posting them well there were several news articles
00:45:42
reporting the story okay from time to time about the uh the missing people but then there's also some news articles
00:45:51
that come out and they start reporting this uh one in particular is from the daily Beast stated that the facts pretty
00:45:59
clearly state that someone is pretending to be this missing couple on Facebook and they're adding that ever
00:46:08
since Charlie Carver Charles Carver and Caleb Brown vanished someone had been adding life events on Facebook and even
00:46:17
messaging their friends okay so that's strange yeah they simply asked a simple question here
00:46:26
could this be the ex-wife remember we talked about a bitter divorce right now according to this article from The Daily
00:46:34
Beast Charlie Carver's Facebook page tells the story of a man that was currently in love at the time of his
00:46:40
disappearance but it also states that on July 1st Carver posted that he and his girlfriend were expecting a daughter and
00:46:49
then on August 1st the two bought a house together and then on September first the couple got married now what
00:46:59
horrified Charles's friends and family was that all of these happy new Milestones on his timeline were logged
00:47:08
retroactively right they weren't logged until October 1st which was more than a month after the time that the two were
00:47:16
considered to have been missing right I don't know much about these uh life post
00:47:21
or life events but it is weird that they're posting them after I'm guessing what it is is like if you
00:47:27
got a new job September 1st that sometimes people don't post that they got a job September 1st they might wait
00:47:35
wait a couple weeks see how it goes right but the fact that there's all these you know we're we're expecting a
00:47:41
kid we got married uh for people that are very involved with their family um even if it was true you'd
00:47:49
start wondering well what the heck's going on with this couple they're not communicating with anybody in their
00:47:54
family mhm and you know so everybody's wondering the there's got to be someone out there that's posing as Charles and
00:48:02
still sending messages to his friends the first week of October do we have any idea of what kind of
00:48:10
messages uh well there was there was this incident that the first week of October sometime in the first week of
00:48:17
October someone had uploaded and then quickly deleted an old picture of the couple mhm um and there was
00:48:26
caption that that came along with the picture that just said we are fine right and then that was deleted yeah and then
00:48:33
the missing couple's case it was starting to gain more and more attention from the media as these things were
00:48:40
happening and then there came a particularly cryptic post this was on well before this I mean as far as law
00:48:47
enforcement goes again yes these people are close with their family but it's not
00:48:54
too far out of the realm to think that they just went missing because they wanted to then they are still active on
00:49:00
Facebook I mean it has to be in the back of your head that this could be them posting this
00:49:07
stuff yeah you know what I mean yeah absolutely the the but the really odd thing is that the purchasing of the
00:49:16
house right is weird to me because yeah do people do people get pregnant do couples get pregnant and decide to get
00:49:22
married and they take off it happens it does happen right but rarely would I say
00:49:27
do we see somebody say oh we bought a house and then you know 30 days later we're we're we're at a Dodge right you
00:49:34
can't find us anywhere and furthermore where's this house right they were still living in the apartment complex when
00:49:41
when they we last seen right that would be real shitty people like hey we now got a house but we're going to leave the
00:49:48
dog behind right now that we have more space for the dog unfortunately there are people out there that there are
00:49:54
people do that stuff so so regarding this cryptic post that was put on Charles Carver's Facebook page uh the
00:50:02
post that that gained a lot of attention in the media was this it was it read last thing I remember I was running for
00:50:10
the door I had to find the passage back to the place I was before relax said the
00:50:15
night man we are programmed to receive you can check out anytime you like but you can never leave Hotel California MH
00:50:24
by the Eagles M now since their disappearance we said that these messages started to appear uh and they
00:50:32
were retroactively put on their Facebook page but during those couple of months here we have Charles's family who they
00:50:40
very quickly showed up after they reported him missing they took the dog to care for the dog good good people
00:50:47
they even paid the rent for the couple's apartment for a couple of months and then one day Charles's family they
00:50:54
showed up and they backed up a truck and they packed up all of the couple's belongings and they took off right this
00:51:02
would be very difficult on the family meanwhile you know while all this scary crazy stuff is going on with the missing
00:51:09
couples's Facebook pages police have an active missing persons case going on and
00:51:16
they are working this case from every angle mhm Anderson Police investigators they were able to obtain a warrant or a
00:51:24
court order for cell phone records from AT&T this is Caleb Brown's cell phone service provider police wanted to use
00:51:34
technology to try to locate the missing couple they wanted to see if they could locate Kayla's last cell phone signal
00:51:42
now this is not as simple as it may sound this isn't the more common GPS technology most people are familiar with
00:51:50
that you know would that would only work if Kayla had location service turned on
00:51:56
or like find my phone feature turned on instead what the investigators were able
00:52:02
to obtain they obtained cell phone records that would show which cell phone towers Kayla's phone had connected to up
00:52:11
until the moment that the phone had died yeah these are look these are true crime
00:52:17
listeners right they all know about cell phone ping technology well I I know that
00:52:22
Captain I bring this up only because there are some specific details within this investigation that may be a little
00:52:29
different from what we typically hear what we're used to right okay so just in case there's one or two people out there
00:52:36
that don't know the the the cell phone is always searching for the closest or strongest signal so cell towers keep a
00:52:45
log of these pings you know when when the two two connect with each other there's a ping so since pings are being
00:52:53
sent constantly between multiple Towers records will then allow law enforcement later to triangulate a phone's location
00:53:02
based on the strength of the pings between the towers right well to triangulate this and to really narrow it
00:53:10
down to a specific location you need three towers mhm in this situation this situation is quite a bit is quite more
00:53:18
difficult because this situation we only have two towers that are nearby right because is
00:53:25
a rural area so becomes a lot harder right having two towers nearby versus three gives a
00:53:33
larger search area mhm because the search area should be based on where the two towers where the where the tower
00:53:41
signals overlap right so here you would only have two rather than three what they discovered in Kayla's cell phone
00:53:48
situation that it had pinged indicating Kayla's phone was in a town 50 mil North
00:53:55
Northeast of where the two had lived and the phone was sending a signal up to 2 days after she was last seen on August
00:54:04
31st and these pings were coming from the location of Woodruff South Carolina so Captain we have the superbike
00:54:12
quadruple homicide that takes place in 2003 and then 13 years later we have The Disappearance of this young couple
00:54:21
that's receiving media attention because of these strange Facebook post postings
00:54:25
mhm well what do the two of these cases have to do with one another we'll get to
00:54:30
that tomorrow in part [Music] two until tomorrow everybody out there be good be kind and don't
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