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[Applause] [Music] [Music] well and that's why I think it's important to examine the possibilities
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and the reasons why this has not been solved and I think think one thing that we can get into captain and part of it
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that that we talked about last week was I kept referencing maybe the investigators have just been
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unlucky maybe you know because you see this and you're like we got we got the video we got the voice we have
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eyewitness statements they worked with FBI and and and again they might have DNA and I'm I'm going to quit saying
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might I'm going to go with they do okay I I think that probably very quickly into this thing they realized that they
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had DNA and they thought this thing was going to be over and done very quickly and then it took a while and they
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realized this dude's not in any of the systems we can't we can't track this guy down that we have nothing to compare it
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to and I think that's why you see there was a delay in putting uh take taking that still image and then releasing the
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actual short little video there mhm and then there's the delay between that short that that still image and the
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sketch the original sketch that comes out because what that didn't come out till what June or July of the year of
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the crime there were several months that went by so here's one thing where I I wonder the one thing let's get into a
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bunch of things where they've been where investigators may have just been Unlucky
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One the no match of DNA we've already talked about that m two I think I'm starting to think that
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the bridge guy's appearance on the pixelated video May almost give a false sense of his actual true
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appearance and I think that that's working in his favor and working against investigators for one thing when you
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first see the video right when you saw the still image didn't you think we were looking for like a pudgy guy like kind
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of a kind of a fluffy fat guy mhm or or at least slightly overweight but then later when they release the video and
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you see the individual walking you can see that those pants are the the jeans are a lot baggier than what his actual
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legs may require right when you see that leg move you almost see that the legs are much thinner than those jeans
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chicken legs and then you have to wonder how many layers of clothing is that's the thing that I wonder
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why if for some reason he did stand out and he must of in some form or fashion because we have witnesses or believed
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witnesses that think that they saw him on one of the trails I I don't know that the the
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detecting factor for them would be that oh I saw a guy with wet jeans because we went through that
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conversation last week you may not have been able to visually see and determine that his jeans were wet right they may
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have just appeared to be a darker shade of blue but it was a warm day for February to me the guy looks at least on
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the you know the upper half of him looks to be very overdressed for the temperature that day it almost appears
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that he's wearing a hoodie or or something of significance underneath a jacket and one thing going in his favor
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too here again I believe that there's there's a collar to that jacket there's a part of that jacket that's sticking up
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at one point and he's looking down to watch his feet his foot placement on that bridge that's concealing his face a
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little bit he may be wearing a hat or that might just be wearing a hoodie with the hood
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up that I I feel like we're we're getting a false sense of his true appearance because it is a pixelated
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video now here's here's the thing you were talking about do we have more video footage I think that there's more video
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and this is pure speculation okay pure speculation don't don't put on the blog untrue I'm saying it this might not be
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true I'm just guessing here I think that they have more video footage unfortunately I don't think that
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there's so much video to watch what I mean by that is I think that shortly after Libby was filming this guy on the
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bridge and he's very quickly making his way we're not seeing that clip in real speed I don't care what anybody says I
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we cannot believe we're seeing that at real speed I think at some point she had to
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conceal her phone from him either hold it in a way that she's not filming or it's not obvious to him that he's being
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caught on camera or she stuck it in her pocket and that might that might be the reason why we're hearing the words and
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it sounds muffled guys down the hill it may sound muffled because it might be in her
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pocket right and and I think that her I think that she that the video was running and filming
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it just might not have had anything additional to film because it was concealed in her pocket and I think that
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her phone went dead so quickly anybody that's run the camera feature I mean well camera feature and or the video
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feature MH the video recording feature on their phone realiz that kills your phone very quickly yeah and they were
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saying very quickly her calls were going straight to voicemail they weren't ringing anymore and I I think that this
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guy very likely did not know that he was filmed did not know that his voice was was caught on her on her phone and and
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he left the phone there because look I I don't want to give this [ __ ] any credit but he's smart enough
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he he he's smart enough that he's got away with this so far well let's not say smart because that that's one of the
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things we lucky enough well I I think I got a better word for you one of the things that they were kind of talking
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about in profiling this individual is he organized or disorganized and so I think there's a
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lot of evidence that shows that he's organized uh and then but then not taking the phone that seems like
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disorganization well you could take that either way I was thinking about that too
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not taking the phone you go oh that's disorganized he didn't didn't plan it out didn't put much thought into it what
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if he what if he did put thought into it in advance and he said I'm not taking any of their phones because what if they
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trace their phones they can trace you know what if they follow the pings on their phones to me because I took them
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with me what if what if he destroyed her phone at the scene not knowing that it captured any of his image or anything
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like that cuz the phone's dead by that point or if he just just left it there or tossed it in the water yeah and ooh
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tossed in the water is an interesting thing too because we talked about the clothing right the victim's clothing
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last week we were talking about were they found clothed were they found in the nude were they found uh was
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the clothing in fact ever even found if if they were if it wasn't on their person I still don't know the answer to
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that but I did find I did find some info that was saying that um clothing may have been found in the creek and this
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would be the point of Deer Creek that would be nearest where their bodies were found mhm so when it's but again it's a
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very vague broad statement of clothing found in Creek we we don't know if it belonged to the
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victims we don't know if in fact that there was clothing found in the creek but what I can say this is when when
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they were searching for the girls there were helicopters that were flying overhead
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and they were filming some of the search that was going on for the girls they've
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not found the bodies yet you can clearly see three or four Searchers and the reason why you can see them is because
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they're wearing those those those red like suits head to toe suits they're wearing
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these red suits and they're in the water and there's clearly there's something there with them they're they're
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examining something that they found there again that could have been the victim's clothing could have been an
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item discarded by the killer that belonged to him it could have been yeah Libby's phone could have been a weapon
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yeah I mean yeah one something was found in that water we don't we just don't know what the significance is one of the
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rumors I hearing this week was that they were actually found um but they were wearing each other's clothes so whatever
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they were wearing before it switched and again this is you know just one of those
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random rumors and then it becomes well weren't they both wearing jeans is it possible that the shirts were just
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changed um who knows um but yeah I mean there's again there's we talked about that a bit
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and to me that would almost imply that the killer redressed them right or dress them it doesn't have to mean that that's
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your mind goes they're uh sizewise they're different size girls and and but I could see a a situation where you know
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the the pants were put back on correctly but maybe the shirts weren't so well yeah AB such a weird rumor that zip up
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sweatshirt yeah so it is it's a weird rumor it's one of those it's one of those things that when you first read
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that or see that it kind you're like whoa whoa what what is this and then I really start thinking about it I'm
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like well we have a very short window of time and there's a chance that a lot of
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things might have had to take place during that short window of time I don't know that I don't know that we have the
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time to redress the victim and get that wrong afterward yeah I I I don't know and and
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again the source that I have gone back to I I brought this up and again it was something that they just didn't want to
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comment on but normally that like I said there's been several times where I've said oh
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you know ask questions they didn't want to comment on it and that normally meant
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it was it was correct so but I guess I shouldn't assumed that well and for anybody out there wondering where we're
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coming up with this info because you know I'm sure somebody's going well they've not released even the cause of
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death for either girl they've they've not released very many things true to the crime scene right so what is this
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stuff you're even talking about well the way that this works for my understanding
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is that some of keep in mind there were search parties out there looking for these little
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girls some of these rumors are believed to have stemmed from people that were actually involved in the search yeah and
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may have found the girls or may have been in there was a team across the creek at the same time time that the
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team on the other side found the girls so we have this whole thing where we have multiple people that were in that
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area may have seen something that's not been released to the public and may have
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spoke and told somebody else of what they saw what they witnessed during those searches well or again or again we
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have just made up stuff right from from people elsewhere that are that are claiming to have heard something yeah
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but it's also such a small town 3,35 people something like that it's just like like we've talked a little bit
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about it but like the Pike County murders um happened in an area where I used to work but you know a long time
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ago I'd work one day a week in that in that town and just knowing some people from that town the rumors that I heard
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were not things that you would hear I mean it would have ma made a fascinating um probably 10p part
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episodes on on the rumor that I heard oh you you heard like hours of rumors we're
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talking detailed detailed theories yeah with people's names and motives and why they
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did this and why they did that why still what's still going on today that's in relation to the specific Theory and you
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heard multiple theories that some of them would have taken 3 hours to explain and then then when the news broke that
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they solved it it was none of them it was none of those theories it was yeah and
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I'll try to make the long story short basically there was tons of these rumors based off of this guy that I worked for
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um and there was all these weird rumors surrounding him and I worked for him for
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a long time so I ended up calling him after I heard all these rumors and ask him what he thought it was mhm um
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because this guy was very close to the family um every member of that family adult wise actually worked for him at
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some point you know as like a freelance contractor or whatever and he simply said to me that
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he thought the the involvement this was all based around the custody of of that girl and when he said that and and this
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guy is a guy that he likes to exaggerate everything so you would think that he would want to tell these crazy Tall
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Tales he said no I simply think it was a a dispute based off of um custody and then once they arrested the family up in
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what Alaska that's pretty much what it all you know the Pike County murgers was all about was that custody issue um so
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so it's strange I heard a million rumors and and they were fascinating and there
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were great Tall Tales um and that's what I'm afraid that is going to start happening
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here well I mean in a sense it has a little bit where you have all these people that are now considered suspects
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by the public and then never publicly cleared by law enforcement I'm guessing they've checked these people and
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probably not too interested in a lot of them um but you not only did you have that with the arrest of certain
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individuals you also had that with the search warrants that were being filed and executed very quickly after this
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this case broke right right so the the first one that hit the news was a a home a property on bicycle Bridge Road was
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searched on February 16th 3 days after they went missing 2 days after they were found mhm this location is approximately
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5 miles from the mon High Bridge a 99-minute drive from the area this was searched
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and I don't know I don't know what their outcome was I mean obviously no arrests
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were made in this in this search but then you have another search that took place in a
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town called Peru Indiana this one took place on February 25th this is a different a good amount
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away this is 37 mil away a 56-minute drive from the bridge the third search took place in
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Lebanon which I think one of the one of the suspects or one of the suspects friends that we were talking about last
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week Garrett ctz yeah was from Lebanon which is not um so this says my notes say 54
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miles is the fastest route and the so this would be an hour and six minute drive from the bridge I
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do want to point out with the Lebanon search the the papers were saying that they were uncertain of the the exact
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date that the search warrant was executed uncertain of the exact address known which makes me wonder if it is in
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fact connected to the deli murders or if it was just a search that was executed and people people's you know Minds right
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right were were filling in the blanks and and that's what they came up with but obviously one that was connected was
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the fourth search and probably the most public of all four searches was in Deli Ron Ronald Logan's property but they
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didn't execute that S search warrant until March 7 1th now we all know that Logan
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eventually gets arrested for illegally operating his vehicle but I mean this is a
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guy if he's not connected which I don't think that he I don't think he looks like Bridge guy I don't think his
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physical description looks like Bridge guy I don't think his facial or hair looks anything like what I'm seeing on
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that little bit of little bit of footage on Libby's phone um so if this guy is not connected
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he's been looked at very thoroughly he's been arrested on other charges we have to believe that if in fact they are well
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he would have been arrested before you would be required to give the the DNA I guess I'm assuming now that he's in
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prison that that they have that we know that his property's been searched but one thing I I didn't get to real well
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with the the footage on Libby's phone I think that you probably have a lot of audio and I want to get into the audio
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here in just a second but the reason why I think that we we only have a very short period of actual video that we can
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watch and view M as opposed to video of the inside of her shirt pocket or pants pocket
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is look the the video that they released Is Not Great remember I said maybe the bridge guy got lucky that his his
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appearance his true appearance is not well depicted in that short camera footage right and and maybe
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investigators just got unlucky with that and even though Libby did her best to to
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try to out this guy maybe we're only seeing that short clip because that might be close to what
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all that they have you have to believe that they would show us one of the better versions of of of him right right
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because they could pull the audio out and show us the image and here's what I also wondered too
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Captain going back to the audio you might have that that might be a part of the the tricky part of not answering
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these questions for the public when they go oh you got to have more video right well we can't confirm that or deny it
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they're not lying they may have more video it's just 39 minutes of 40 minutes of video is is unwatchable right it's
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blacked out yeah and then on top of that so so for the audio then people go well
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do you have more audio well they might but here's my opinion too if if you if this guy if Bridge guy had a gun if he
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had a firearm there might be a decent amount of talking at the very early parts of
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that abduction and the closer they get to the murder part of the Abduction the less
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talking is going to go on at least from the perpetrator in my mind he's going to
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direct them as he goes and unless they are unless they are you know trying to talk him out of whatever he's going to
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do there might not be a ton of audio from him now I do find some of the stuff regarding cell phones to be very very
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interesting in this case MH so what we were able to determine and find was actual footage of Mike
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Patty he's the grandfather of of Libby he's he's talking the night that they are missing he's being interviewed for
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the news the night that they are missing yeah and he's talking about they have already checked her Snapchat and her
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social media so as terrifying as that is to think about we do know that by that point before midnight that night his
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family the Germaine family the German family I'm sorry had seen the Snapchat photo taken from 207 p.m. of Abby on the
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bridge right they were probably following her on Snapchat like they were connected yeah yeah and so during that
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same interview is when he says that her phone had pinged around town a couple of times he does go on to
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say let me see here his exact words I don't know exactly what time that interview was taking place CU I I don't
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think that it was live I think it was filmed and then played but in the interview he's saying that
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the phone went dead stopped pinging about four or 5 hours ago okay and that broadcast that I'm
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talking about it came out before midnight that night so this is where everybody got all worked up and got all
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concerned about the the Mike Patty's words a couple of things some people came out and said oh the family had
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Libby's phone no that's not what he says listen to his words he says we were checking her
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social media accounts we were checking things that we could check without having her phone my thought is because
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of her age they either had her passwords and her login information or they followed her right right so they could
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then just see what she posted but I think I think it's more in depth I think they probably had her login information
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or passwords but I also think maybe if they didn't know that the the sister knew and and then that that way they
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could just check that stuff you know cuz cuz they how are they going to have how
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are they going to have her phone uh the night that they go missing when they haven't even been found
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yet right right but but that's the thing though people mishar things and rather than double-checking it they sometimes
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people are stupid right they just roll with it they just run with it and they're like oh he said they have her
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phone and then then then they're like well that's weird why would they you know then they're starting to think that
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the family's involved the family's not involved okay the family didn't kill these girls well the the direct family
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that we know of right yeah but but but again then there's not a lot of suspicious on the outside members I'm
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just saying but even even take that a step further then they're not covering for anybody
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either right you know what I mean there's no there's no realistic reason to believe anybody would cover for
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anybody if if you have those ties to the victims it just doesn't make any sense so so they didn't have her phone we know
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that it's just something that people misread people misunderstood and then created that rumor and then on top of
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that with it pinging with her phone pinging in more than one location through town it wasn't the phone wasn't
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traveling around that night it wasn't going anywhere and at Kelsey later explains in her YouTube video The Town
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is so small that in certain areas if you walk from one side of your property to the other side of your property your
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your phone will ping off of two different Towers because that's just just the if you look at the cell phone
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tower information in that area it makes sense it totally makes sense right and I
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think this is not information that she just knew I think this is information that that they probably got from FBI or
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right or some kind of law enforcement now the other thing with that though too then some people go well the the the
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German family they seem to be going into panic mode very quickly it was only a very short period of time that you know
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we're talk we talked about the timeline the other day it's it the longest that you can stretch it out is less than two
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hours from drop off time to to the time where you're almost in full search mode you're you're a little over two hours
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you're now alerting other family members new family members are showing up to the
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scene looking for the little girls and then by 5:30 so at the very earliest that they got dropped off 130 135 140
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somewhere in that time range and then reported missing to the police by 5:30 that night some people suggesting that
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they're sounding the alarm very quickly but I think the problem with that is it's a little girl and I I don't
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think people are putting enough thought into it so you know when you and I did we you and I did the exercise last week
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where we were we were playing this scenario out out loud talking through it we're going okay well what what would
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happen in this situation okay so Derek the father goes to pick them up it was arranged that they would be picked up
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around the time that drik arrived and then on top of that he tried calling her at least twice nobody
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answered the phone he walks around looking for them on the trails does not find them and then notifies Becky
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Becky's the grandmother who gave permission to Libby to go to that area that day provided that she had someone
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to drop them off and someone to pick them up and that those the drop off and pickup were pre-arranged that was part
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of the rules so as soon as he notifies Becky it's a very quick call from Becky to
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Kelsey to go did did you in fact drop the girls off are you still with the girls and then you hear from Kelsey yes
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they were dropped off I'm at no I'm at my boyfriend's house I'm getting ready to go to
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work it's not crazy to believe how much longer after that do they see the Snapchat photo of of video proof
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evidence picture evidence of Abby on the bridge and then you're there looking for
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them and you're going oh my God they they were here Nobody seen them what the hell's going on and mind you it's
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febuary well it's going to get dark between 5:30 and 6:00 that night mhm go on I also things sometimes you just have
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a gut feeling right that gut feeling is telling you something bad happened or is
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the picture of bridge guy also in the Snapchat Feed so you see uh some pictures of them at the park you see
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them going over the bridge and then the next picture you see is just of a of a man that would be alarming for any
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father terrifying or any uh parental figure well and not only that even if they didn't see him on any of of the of
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her social media stuff which which I don't I don't think that they did but again we don't we
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can't say 100% Mike Patty arrives on the scene around 5:00 we know that once he gets there he goes to the mir's property
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and while on the mir's property he's calling a friend of his who is a police officer we don't know what that
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conversation is but you don't have to have much bigger of a brain than I got to figure out what they probably talked
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about it's probably a friend calling in asking for advice going look man um I'm over here by moan and high bridge over
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at the Park area been looking for my granddaughter we can't find her we only dropped her off about 1:30 to: 145 so
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it's not been that long what should I do should I report her missing should I just sit tight what do I
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do and that's just he probably got some good friend advice who's saying you know
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what you got nothing to lose by reporting her missing right hopefully you report her missing and you find her
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15 minutes later and we can call the whole thing off but right it was getting it was going to
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get dark though and it was February and yeah so I don't think that not answering our phone I mean we live
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in an age that we're all connected and so you can text somebody they'll text you back within minutes or you can call
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their phone she's not responding to anything and I know I went on this long rant Captain but you said the most
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important thing out of that whole that whole deal there it's a little girl it's a child mhm it's a child so it's your
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baby I mean and it doesn't matter look uh it could be a 20-year-old that went missing when it's your baby it's it's
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doesn't matter that they're 20 or 30 or 40 years old or whatever they are right it's still your
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[Applause] Freedom now I did see some reports regarding cell phones okay so and I'm
00:32:55
not talking about Libby or AB cell phone I'm talking about cell phones of persons
00:33:00
who were in the area around the monin high bridge that day within that short window of time of when they went missing
00:33:08
maybe maybe even back it up a few hours beforehand maybe even back it up an hour
00:33:12
and a half or so afterwards remember they were interested in the car that could have been there as long as from
00:33:17
noon to 5: uh so the the report that I saw about this I found it to be incredibly
00:33:24
interesting because it kind of can take you down down two different roads here right so the the statement that I saw
00:33:33
was that they being law they being law enforcement have reviewed everybody's phones that were pinging in that general
00:33:41
area they've spoke to all of those individuals so that can take you two ways with with your thinking on who are
00:33:50
who is Bridge guy did he not bring a phone with him right or or I guess have it turned off
00:33:59
yeah did did he not bring a phone with him to that area that day yeah or the interesting other thought about
00:34:08
that is remember the statement from the last press conference on April 22nd where they very clearly say we may have
00:34:17
spoken to you of already Bridge guy when they're talking to bridge guy they say we may have already talked to you yeah
00:34:23
and then you go so that works both ways that that statement's probably very true
00:34:29
they've spoke to everybody's cell phone who was pinging in that area that day and it's either one of two things either
00:34:36
this guy didn't bring his phone with him or they've already interviewed him yeah so two things one if the
00:34:44
individual turned their phone off before they got into the area that is a well organized person um would make me feel
00:34:53
like it' be difficult for them to get caught also discipline I would think that even if this is the first attack or
00:35:01
the first murders by this individual that they they're disciplined enough to um wait out for the right
00:35:10
opportunity but back to what you're saying about the press conference when he says they might be in
00:35:17
this room I think that's like the scariest line of the whole part you know we might have talked to you you might be
00:35:24
in this room right now and that I think that's the that every time I watch that um press conference it
00:35:33
gives you chills and and just like the weird weird actions uh not I don't want to say weird but like there's there's a
00:35:43
nervousness in his presentation where you kind of Wonder does he see somebody that's making him that way it's a very
00:35:52
strange press conference the yeah that was uh you and I talked about that with within hours or even a couple days of
00:35:59
that press conference and one thing you were pointing out you're like well when he said this person might even be in the
00:36:04
room is there somebody in the room that he is mean specifically that he saw somebody in the room that he does not
00:36:11
like for any number of reasons whether they're not being cooperative in the investigation or there's some other form
00:36:17
of dirt bag or whatever is is he just upset with that person's presence or do we have a
00:36:26
situation where they've really done their homework on this and said you know what we've talked about the strategy of
00:36:31
the super cop we've talked about the strategy of publicly calling the killer a coward and calling him a loser and all
00:36:39
other different kinds of things you can call him there's a strategy in that is there anything where he's going you know
00:36:45
what I have to play a specific role during this speech during this press conference and could that have been too
00:36:52
much for him maybe could it have put him on edge a a little bit maybe I thought he did a hell of a job I I don't know
00:37:01
exactly what he was supposed to be portraying there but I think that that was I think the words of that were not
00:37:07
only planned out I think where they appeared in order was extremely timed out planned out as well I think his
00:37:15
demeanor was somewhat uh decided upon in advance that you know don't be afraid to
00:37:23
lean into the podium to look aggressive right don't be afraid to appear to get angry at certain points during your
00:37:31
statement don't don't Afra be afraid to to throw out a sentence and leave a long pause between
00:37:40
to the next one don't be afraid to to be theatrical with some of it I think there is a lot
00:37:47
of a lot going on there it's I you know I give I want to give him a a lot of Kudos there because it's a lot for one
00:37:54
person to do yeah there were other law enforcement there present that day obviously a lot of them just standing in
00:38:02
the background and and this guy had to do it all by himself with the with the whole the whole presentation there and I
00:38:08
thought he did a fantastic job um but I but it also goes back to what you were talking about earlier the
00:38:17
the motives the method of operation the how organized could this killer be personally I think he's probably
00:38:24
extremely organized to the point where I think he planned out where he parked his
00:38:28
vehicle mhm I think that I think he put thought into not only stepping foot onto
00:38:35
the crime scene but also fleeing the crime scene and the placement of his vehicle was thought out as such that it
00:38:41
has to bode well for both of those scenarios then on top of that I think the reason for the baggy clothing on top
00:38:47
and and the multiple layers on top is he brought everything with him that day to
00:38:53
kill somebody he brought everything that he thought he was going to need in that
00:38:59
scenario to kill somebody and it's all concealed under those layers and that might be another reason why he may
00:39:05
appear to be chubbier or more heavy set than what he actually is and again we might just be getting a bad a bad look
00:39:15
at this guy and again I think they're giving us the best look that they got from her her
00:39:21
footage now there there is one interesting part in there if you really slow that that that small CLI down
00:39:27
there's a part where it looks like somebody may have blocked something out from that picture that may may for just
00:39:34
a split second that we saw something that the public is not supposed to see I don't know if it would have been a
00:39:39
weapon or or or something else it would have to be something significant it wouldn't be something there's no reason
00:39:44
for them to to disguise this individual anyway so they're not trying to to stop us from
00:39:50
seeing him from seeing Bridge guy but I I think that they're concealing something there that might be the gun as
00:39:59
he approached the girls mhm the other thing that I want to address here real quick is is a couple things we John
00:40:08
Douglas you know my hero you're my hero John Douglas you're my hero I still think we should the Wayne's World we're
00:40:16
not worthy we're not worthy we're scum I saw uh a short interview with him after
00:40:22
the 422 press conference and look it was one of those interviews you ever see like an interview where the you
00:40:31
know John's just standing there it was supposed to be just a casual real quick interview but you ever see one where
00:40:36
they they have the interview they've clearly brought it back to the news station they've cut it up the way that
00:40:42
they want to cut it up but instead of just letting you view the entire interview there you're getting the news
00:40:48
anchor that just talks the whole time and they'll show a very quick little answer of his I would have loved to have
00:40:53
heard everything he had to say about his thoughts on who bridg guy is and what's
00:40:58
going on with the investigation but the one thing he did say which which was fascinating but it's also not
00:41:05
like it's not like the most brilliant thought that nobody else would have thought of but when he heard the audio
00:41:12
of guys down the hill guys down the hill he was saying that the the casualness of
00:41:21
choosing the word guys it he said it almost felt to him like it was somebody that was used to
00:41:27
talking to people of that age yeah addressing a a group of people in that age and he almost felt like it was like
00:41:35
like something he would expect to hear a teacher say you know guys come on bu driver yeah guys cut it out right guys
00:41:42
all right it's time to come inside you know something like that um I found that interesting one for for multiple reasons
00:41:49
but but one just the simple fact of who would have been available at that same time Bridge guy that's the thing in
00:41:56
their profile when they're talking about identifying who the suspect could be who
00:42:01
Bridge guy could be this is somebody that was unaccounted for for a certain period of time on February 13 2017 this
00:42:08
is somebody who have may have made up an excuse why they were accounted for during that time here's the other
00:42:13
problem though this is where law enforcement may have just got unlucky this also may be a guy that did
00:42:20
not need to be accounted for that day for any number of reasons maybe he doesn't have anybody to answer to maybe
00:42:29
he has nobody he lives alone works for himself was unemployed you know there there's a
00:42:35
bunch of reasons why he wouldn't have anybody to answer to yeah in a garage yeah yeah with his friend with his
00:42:44
podast can't remember what day it is yeah um but no these are all reasons why law enforcement might just be Simply
00:42:53
unlucky at this moment and Bridge guy is getting lucky he his I hate Bridge guy his luck will run out his luck will run
00:43:01
out but the reason why I point this out is there's starting to be as soon as that second sketch came out there's
00:43:08
starting to be a lot of people that have concern now with the investigation and with the state of the investigation well
00:43:14
it seems like a incompetence right right and and I look I don't know what to make
00:43:20
of the two sketches I'm just pointing out that that it's possible that what some people may be thinking is them
00:43:29
being incompetent might just be bad luck at the moment might just be bad luck at
00:43:34
the moment the other thing too that I want to point out with being organized or disorganized again I think whatever he
00:43:42
thought he was going to need to carry out this crime he brought with him that day he brought with him that was on his
00:43:49
person now that tells you several things about the the makeup of this individual
00:43:57
he may have very likely have gone there with the intention of killing that day we don't know what else he did to the
00:44:04
victims but we also can't expect that he went in there planning that he was going
00:44:10
to kill two victims that day that might not have been part of his plan it might just have been like we stated earlier
00:44:18
that he was looking for someone to put themselves in a compromised position at the other side of that
00:44:24
bridge and if he was looking for a female he does not have to be a pedophile or a registered sex offender
00:44:32
to have committed these murders he may have just been looking for a female may have even gone there hoping to see an
00:44:40
adult female jogger by themselves MH and attack them but did not did not find his
00:44:48
victim did not find whoever fit his victimology and he saw these two girls who I think his victim his victimology
00:44:58
is more so of whoever would be compromised would be alone and would be give him the better percentage of
00:45:05
getting away with this rather than having a a specific victim in mind does that make sense or did I get too weird
00:45:12
with it I think it makes sense basically you're saying that he's going to go there he's going to find an opportunity
00:45:19
as long as they fit a certain criteria that's good enough yeah cuz I've had many good conversations with several
00:45:26
people over great beers on this case cuz this case is so captivating right now it's on everybody's minds and some of
00:45:34
the people have said well it you know not only do we have the video and the audio but we know that we're looking for
00:45:38
a killer we know that we're looking for a pedophile I don't think that we know that I don't think we know that last
00:45:45
part I don't even know I don't even think if we know the first part I think you know to be on these
00:45:52
Trails let's go down this road just for a second to go on those Trails you have you might
00:46:00
you might just be an individual that carries a gun with you to go on these trails to be outdoors person you might
00:46:06
just carry a knife with you is it is it possible um I don't think it's out of the realm
00:46:15
of possibility after two years with all the information that we have we have video footage we have audio footage we
00:46:21
have these sketches we have eyewitnesses um we have a lot of things going on there is it
00:46:29
possible that that this individual uh this was their first time uh and and this has been their only time
00:46:38
so far because uh how how scared they are now that they're going to get caught well certainly possible um yeah I
00:46:49
don't want to play the possibility game cuz there's yeah everything's possible you get in trouble I I like to look at
00:46:54
what we what we think we know what what we do know first what we think we know or what we can surmise by putting other
00:47:01
facts together but I was trying to put out that evidence I mean to me that mean it means something that we're this far
00:47:08
along we have this many people talking about it and sometimes it feels as if we have nothing you know so
00:47:16
like I'm saying it's not out of the realm of possibility that somebody's on the trail that day with certain
00:47:23
items um but uh but but I don't know I think this personally I think this guy had a kill
00:47:31
kit with him I think it was concealed underneath those layers of clothing and I don't think it's the first time that
00:47:39
he threw that kill kit in his vehicle or put it on his person and went walking around I I agree with with your
00:47:47
statement that he very likely may have never killed anybody before and may not have afterward John Douglas says you
00:47:55
don't just wake up one day and go out and kill two kids so I think I think what's probably correct is somewhere
00:48:01
between your statement and John Douglas's statement I'm going to go with my statement and here's the thing what's
00:48:07
his credentials if if this guy is if Bridge guy is was 18 or 19 at the time remember we have mhm we have from 18 to
00:48:18
40 years old if he was 18 or 19 at the time I'm going to go with you captain that it's very likely that he's never
00:48:26
committed he's never committed a murder before if he's closer to 39 or 40 at the
00:48:32
time I feel like he's either committed a murder before or has attempted to or or
00:48:39
or attack somebody in some right some fashion where maybe maybe he was out scaring the hell out of people one day
00:48:47
or and it doesn't have to take place in Deli it could take place elsewhere it's it's just one of those
00:48:54
things it it seems very strange to me that for what I believe he would have need to have brought with him to the
00:49:01
bridge that day seems like a lot seems like quite a bit of stuff to bring with you to the point where I I have to call
00:49:09
it a murder kit I have to call it that so I necessarily don't think you had to bring a lot I mean you if you had a gun
00:49:18
you can control them uh but based off their age maybe you can control them just with a knife maybe all you have to
00:49:24
do is have one in individual and then the other one's just going to do what you say because you have the individual
00:49:30
under lock so you could control both victims with a knife uh that's a possibility riskier but you know as far
00:49:40
as what we know we don't know what the person's it's not like they you know the murders happen where they happened
00:49:47
because cuz they had to happen that place um or that you know or that the guy got spooked we don't know any of
00:49:54
that information I mean it's very likely that that's the case uh where was he heading with these individuals maybe it
00:50:02
was just across the river maybe it wasn't these are these are questions we don't have answers
00:50:09
for yeah and I and I don't want to go too far down the road that we're currently on
00:50:15
because look I we we we know that he abducted them at some point we know that they were killed and we know that he
00:50:22
fled fled that area I don't want to spend too much time on what could have happened what could have
00:50:30
been going on from the time he abducted him to the time he left right um I have a lot of thoughts
00:50:36
on that and and and feelings on that and suspicions but I don't I don't it's not
00:50:43
something that I'm very comfortable in this area discussing it it it does us not a whole lot of good because it's
00:50:50
stuff we don't we just don't know right we just don't know but I I I will say this I believe
00:50:59
that this individual that bridge guy went to that area that day prepared to kill
00:51:09
and knowing that he very likely might kill somebody there that day I don't think that the girls were
00:51:19
targeted in a sense that he met them there or that he followed them from anywhere or that he knew either of them
00:51:27
beforehand I think he was there scoping and looking for a victim just like a hunter would sit there looking waiting
00:51:36
for a prey he was there that day prepared to do what he came to do and if something
00:51:43
presented itself he was going to make a move so I I I think he can be considered
00:51:51
organized in the sense that that he he seems to be one prepared to do whatever it was that that he was motivated to do
00:51:59
uhhuh he was organized enough that we don't have a vehicle description uhh he you can argue the cell phone thing
00:52:07
either way maybe he was smart enough to know hey I don't want to risk bringing these things with me right uh or is
00:52:14
there a chance he thought he heard something or he got spooked and and intended to to take the cell phones with
00:52:20
him but got spooked and ran out of there faster than he wanted to and then he gets back to his car gets home or
00:52:27
wherever and in in in half hour later he's going oh [ __ ] I forgot the cell phones so I think you could argue that
00:52:35
either way or he was smart enough to know that he didn't want that that thing with him it also appears that he very
00:52:42
likely may not have been carrying his phone with him at the time I don't know that th this is it's
00:52:49
it's is it's a very interesting case in the sense that it's it's one that you feel like
00:52:56
you should have so much information and you really you really just don't and when you really put the timeline
00:53:02
together and you start looking at a map of this area I encourage everybody to do
00:53:07
that because if anybody's sitting there and they're confused about the case that
00:53:12
should end it right there the timeline and a in a general map of of the area will provide you with a lot of ways
00:53:21
to it's going to help you kind of see how this thing probably played out and how very quickly everything moved along
00:53:31
that day it's also 100% horrifying and terrifying to think that look this wasn't this was not a dangerous area
00:53:42
this was not like a place that you wouldn't allow your young teenage girls to go
00:53:49
to this was somebody that and and I think that's why he chose this area I think he chose it for a couple Reon
00:53:55
reasons one I think he thought he would very likely find somebody by themselves not only would they be by
00:54:02
themselves but this is an area that it's not like you're not seeing a lot of what's going on you're not near a whole
00:54:09
bunch of houses where you might hear what's going on and then on top of that he picks
00:54:16
picks a time of day when it's likely to have fewer people there than than most he may or may not have known that there
00:54:22
was going to be school that day or not be school that day oh so here we are now Captain over 2 years later you and I
00:54:32
there's nothing more that I know about the case that you don't know there might be some things you you
00:54:38
were kind of you kind of just let me go this last 20 minutes I'm wondering if there's things about the case you know
00:54:42
that I don't know well there's a possible another suspect um that is kind of on the unders
00:54:50
surface another guy with a bulbous nose um um he he's the I believe he was a firefighter and
00:55:00
he I guess at some point was to be connected with the searches for the girls and he was arrested
00:55:10
for I think whipping out his he whipped out his [ __ ] cocking decent exposure yeah um how how recent is this arrest um
00:55:22
I haven't looked much into to it uh I've been is is he a look he's Mafia okay so
00:55:30
he's clearly under the radar as far as the mass population goes right because all these other people their names have
00:55:37
been put out there really put out there so he's under the radar as far as mass population goes but is this I know his
00:55:43
name but I'm not I'm not putting it out right is this a more recent arrest was he is he just very recently an under the
00:55:51
radar suspect or or has he been an under the radar suspect for quite some time I
00:55:56
think it's been under the right hour for quite some time that this indecent exposure may have may have happened
00:56:01
shortly after the yeah may have happened as early as 2017 but that's what I find
00:56:07
interesting about um this individual is one I could see him um being um Bridge guy I could see that uh also
00:56:23
if if it's true about the the the reddish hair reddish brown hair matches that desri description also has
00:56:32
the bulbus nose um so yeah it um it would be a possibility not too young and not too
00:56:42
old of an individual but I I'll show you his picture when when we're done here I
00:56:49
know it's muffled but when you hear that voice do you put an age or a ballpark age on that voice
00:56:55
voice no I feel like to me I feel like both the the image that I'm seeing and the voice that I'm hearing sounds to me
00:57:07
to be less of a window than 18 to 40 I feel like I'm talking about somebody more like 29 to
00:57:16
40 30 to 40 that's just but but I have nothing to base that off of off of other than my own feeling but right speaking
00:57:25
of feelings over two years later you and I know almost the exact same stuff about
00:57:30
the case mhm after the last press conference some people changed their opinions on what's
00:57:36
going on with the investigation do you think do you feel how what is your confidence level on this case getting
00:57:43
solved or as some have come out recently and said I have no faith now and I feel
00:57:50
like they they may never get this guy well well what I'm hoping is um I I saw this thing where
00:57:59
they they should make t-shirts and sell these uh for Deli uh to raise money but they always say today is the day and
00:58:08
they say that they say that every day yeah let today let today be the day right today's the day and and the idea
00:58:16
is that yeah they've been wrong quite a bit but one day uh that's going to be right and you know it's uh
00:58:25
I think it's you feel bad for them and we've met them and we got to talk them talk to
00:58:35
them and look them in the eye and and it becomes more real and I can't even imagine what they when
00:58:45
you say them do you want to be more specific well the family the family members and so I hope so but
00:58:55
I what I hope is that there's enough hope from the family and the community that somehow it
00:59:04
just lets the universe works you know work its magic and and this screws up something and an nowhere you know it's
00:59:11
kind of like the Golden State killer type thing it's like somehow the universe was like okay now we can
00:59:17
connect DNA to family members and boom this guy that seemed to be somebody that would would' never catch we got him and
00:59:26
and I hope that you know people can I know that seems a little Hocus Pocus to some people but I think if you
00:59:33
have the enough people thinking that this is going to get solved that well well we all hope that that it gets
00:59:40
solved I think the the the real question is do do either of us feel that it will
00:59:44
what's our confidence level that it will how soon do do you put do you put a time
00:59:49
stamp on that thing you know there's really only one person that hopes that it doesn't get
00:59:55
solved and that's the guy that we're calling Bridge guy now I feel I've not lost my confidence level in this
01:00:05
investigation I've not lost my confidence level even after a different sketch a very much different sketch came
01:00:12
out what I wouldn't mind seeing Captain if they could apply it for us we have a sketch of what appears to be a younger
01:00:21
man uh that being the second sketch I would love to see that second sketch that same image that same person that
01:00:27
I'm I'm seeing in that second sketch maybe with a hood on a hat on a a hoodie on some some dress that appears to be
01:00:36
more like the first sketch because what we're seeing on the bridge there is a guy wearing a jacket and possibly a hat
01:00:44
or possibly a hoodie I would like to see something like that um we did take a little little criticism of not playing
01:00:52
the audio of guys down the hill a few people suggested we probably should have included that in the last
01:00:59
episode I in short for Indiana I in.gov if you type that in and look it up you get you get the you get the
01:01:09
sketch the most recent sketch you get the image of bridg guy you get several different pieces of audio there all on
01:01:18
the front page you get the video and it also includes that website address for the Abby and Libby tip at
01:01:30
cf. as well as some phone numbers there but keep in mind the the sheriff have stated that they their preferred method
01:01:38
of receiving any tips would be email form that way it's easier for them to categorize these things catalog them
01:01:45
keep track of everything keep track of the proper information that would be the most
01:01:50
helpful way I still feel like Captain May maybe this thing could be solved I have a high
01:01:56
level confidence in that I also have a high confidence level that it that might be very soon that it that it could be
01:02:04
within the next year and a half I think we just have to be patient with law enforcement with this and trust them I
01:02:14
think they are handling it very well and I think that as long as the public continues to
01:02:19
help that this thing will get solved and it and when when they do finally make that arrest that news is going to be big
01:02:29
that's going to be big and it's it's interesting that you reference the Golden State killer or ears or ons or
01:02:37
original nightstalker all the different names that that horrible monster had because of his reign of terror lasted so
01:02:45
long and he had so many victims but it was believed in that case that that we had
01:02:52
audio we had we had his voice that we may have had his picture and just the evidence that was involved in that was
01:03:01
almost as such that people were going how could this not be solved how could this not be solved and here we are
01:03:09
sitting here with liby and aby's case same thing we got the picture we got the audio we got a short
01:03:16
video it it just takes that one person and I know that sounds I know people are probably tired of hearing that but
01:03:24
that's that's what it is that's the state of the case right now I believe they got the DNA I believe they're just
01:03:30
waiting on checking it against the right person and I also believe in this case too Captain this is something we won't
01:03:37
have to get too far into but we also agreed off off the Record that there's a chance that when this thing when they do
01:03:47
make the the arrest that the public might not be such aware of it right away that there might
01:03:55
be some things that they need to do want to do behind the scenes before that information gets presented to us yeah to
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be clear about this our idea was that it's possible that they have somebody that they've already arrested for
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another crime and maybe they've done some testing or or eventually we'll do some testing but even if there's a match
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with the DNA they might not actually make an announcement they might spend another four weeks to maybe even 8 weeks
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I mean it's gone 2 years the the key is not making their arrest like law enforcement has said the key is not to
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make the rest the key is to make the rest and to get uh get a conviction right and if you have somebody that is
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on lockup right now with no no real chance of getting out anytime soon you have time to work on the
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individual if there's there's reason to believe and we won't get into it too far
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but there's there's plenty of reason to believe that even if they do have DNA and have a match there that they would
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