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had told him we was out putting up Flyers well he wanted wanted me to give him a couple flyers and then he told me
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at the same time he said well if you guys stay tomorrow I'll take you up in the mountains
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and he'd show us where she was but then he had told me before he couldn't understand why they hadn't went
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got her body and picked her up and he told us that they had the reason they told her exactly where she was was
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because they wanted her to get her breast implants and her nor plants so they told him and I asked him did so did
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they just throw her over a ravine no no they didn't throw her over no flood for nothing she's
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buried he assured me of that and did he knew knew exactly where she went buried at because he had told him M thre a map
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or something so I told her are you crazy you know I said she said well he's going to come over to the
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motel tonight and he's going to show me how Jennifer was murdered and if it hurts too much to
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tell him to stop and he'll stop and then he's he's going to take me up the mountain and show them where
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she's buried he was going to demonstrate how she was killed on her specifically how she was
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murdered did he ever come over and do that he came over that like when we got back to the motel room and she said that
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we couldn't be there at the motel room that we were supposed to leave that he said that for him to come and do this
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that she was we was going to have to leave and I told I told her me and the LA went down there and told her you know
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you're crazy Mary if you do that he's going to kill you and you're not going to ever be be seen again and Mary said
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well she didn't care she wanted to know where her daughter was and if she had to
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be killed then that was just the way it was did that meeting ever take place she was
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willing to give up her life to find out what happened to Jif and she was crying and so we told her if you do that you
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know you you're going to be dead Scott comes by there later on that evening he doesn't show up till 12:00 at
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night well he goes and knocks on Mary's door Mary said she didn't tell him her room number that she was uh going to
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meet him in the lobby when he came but for some reason he comes right to her door she looked out the people and
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there's Scott knocking on her door so then she says she starts fumbling around and asking acting like she's doing other
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things and uh tell him well go down Lobby and I'll be down in a minute I got to do some things and he said he kept
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telling her he wanted her to let him in he wanted to make sure want her take her
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clothes off check her and make sure she didn't have a wire on her and once she did that then he'd show her you know how
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Jennifer would Mar [Music] m [Music] Scott Kimble is out of prison living under a new identity that was provided
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to him by the FBI now one of the first things that Scott did once he was out was to contact a woman named Leanne Emy
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Leanne is 24 years old and she's a veterinary assistant but more importantly to our story Leanne is the
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girl of an inmate who was friends with Scott so as you can see from our first episode and already into this one Scott
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was very busy while he was in prison because while he was behind bars not only did Scott manage to and I'm using
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air quotes here discover Steve Enis and Jennifer markham's supposed murder for high plot Which Scott made up Scott also
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made friends with an inmate named step Holly so stepen Holly is a convicted bank
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robber he's serving a life sentence and because he's going to be in prison for the rest of his days he's got a really
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good idea Captain he's going to escape from prison one of these days now step becomes buddies with Scott and he knows
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that Scott is going to be out soon so he tells his buddy Scott could you do me a
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favor once you get out I want you to get in contact with my girlfriend her name is Leanne and I want you to tell her the
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details of my prison escape plan that way she can meet up with me in Mexico once I'm out and once I'm
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free so in a letter to his girlfriend Steven told Leanne to listen to Scott to trust him saying that he's a really
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great guy and he says I call this guy Hannibal so please call him Hannibal so Scott did he called Leanne he got in
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contact with her he introduced himself to her as Hannibal right this was might be the first indication that Scott
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Kimble fancied himself some sort of Hannibal lecor esque type you know conniving scheming genius kind of dude
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now Scott wasn't interested in a friendship or a trusted advisor role with lean like he was asked to do by his
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friend Steven nope just in typical Scott fashion and he's going to take advantage
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of the situation so Scott swooped in and swept her off her feet he stole Leanne from
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Steven to Leanne Scott but didn't he also tell Steven that he could possibly get her a job as well no I believe he
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told that to her uh he may have told that to him I don't I don't know the circumstances of that what I believe he
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was charged with by his good friend convicted bank robber Steven Holly was simply to get in contact with her and
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say to her hey this is where we can meet up once I escape and when I escape to Leanne Scott presented himself as a
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tough guy who knew powerful people and who could get things done emails from Leanne to her cousin written in January
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of 2003 state that Hannibal is quote a major blessing in my life end quote Leanne well she was vulnerable she had
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bipolar disorder she was working as a stripper she had been in an abusive marriage before and then mind you at
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this time she's in a relationship with a convicted bank robber who's in prison Scott and Leanne were involved in a
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sexual relationship just within days of meeting and Leanne made vague references
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to criminal activity that Hannibal was involved in she said that he could have her killed if he wanted to she didn't
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not know how right she probably was in January this is on the 16th in 2013 Leanne lied to her parents whom she
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lived with at the time she told them that she was going to Mexico on a cave exploration trip with some friends
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instead what was really going on Captain she left the area with Scott Kimble who
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she believes is Hannibal the two traveled through seven states mostly together but but at times separately as
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Scott had to stop into Seattle on FBI business he must have instructed Leanne on how to get by using overdraft checks
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because Leanne wrote checks overdrawing her account by $4,000 during this time the trail bad checks shows that she
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traveled from Colorado and stopped in Wyoming Oregon Washington and Nevada before returning to Colorado and
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checking into a super eight motel in Grand Junction this on January 27th well wasn't she running up charges on her
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father's credit card as well yeah yeah she was and and she also bought a 40 caliber Firestar handgun at a pawn shop
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in Oregon along this uh this trip that she was taking we know that these means these um the credit card charges and
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these checks they're possibly her we don't have have 100% proof that she was doing
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this it could have been Scott doing this that's a very good point that's a very good point and here's something I wonder
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about too the purchase of this firearm if she in fact was the one that purchased it you wonder is this Scott
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Kimble that says hey we need to get a gun for our trip or you should have a gun and it's really going to be for him
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and some some form right because this at some point she could have said hey I'm going to go on this um
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adventure with friends and she takes off with Scott at some point it could turn into a hostage situation where he's
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going I have control of you now you're going to do everything I tell you to do well what's going to happen is really
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it's a bit of a mystery truthfully because on January 28th Scott told his FBI Handler this is
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Agent schlaf that we discussed in the last episode that he was going to go to California okay I'm going to California
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I'm going there to see my brother MH at this time Scott's phone goes offline for
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about 29 hours it came back on at 1:13 a.m. on January 30th now during the time that the phone was offline something
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else took place this is on January 29th lean Emory checked out of the Grand Junction Colorado Super 8 Motel where
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she where she stayed that night right she was never seen alive again soon thereafter her father Howard
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Emory got word that her car had been found abandoned in the state of Utah yeah not just abandoned it was pretty
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much like in the desert yeah and then in February of 2003 Howard started receiving letters from lean's
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incarcerated boyfriend Steven Holly mhm in the letters Steven told Howard that his daughter was in real trouble one of
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the letters read quote I don't fully understand what the hell she thought she was doing but I know she is way out of
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her League alarmed by these letters Howard checked on Leanne's paper trail to see
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where she had actually been and this is when he discovered all the bounce checks
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uh through multiple States right Howard took all of this to the FBI office in Denver where he was told that Steven
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Holly is a liar where you know we we don't we don't see that there's any kind of case or any needed investigation here
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because the man that you're speaking to the convicted bank robber serving life in prison he's he's a liar MH and you
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know how they know they just check to see if his pants are on fire sorry that's a bad joke uh Happy St
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Patrick's Day the FBI refused to follow up as we said on this now this remain the case even after Howard met with
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Steven Holly in prison and this is where Holly told him that Leanne was with he believed he was
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she was with somebody that went by the name Hannibal so you have a little bit of a lead there but it's it's
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interesting that Scott Kimble was either just a just a stroke of luck here right
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or is it some kind of Brilliance that he already had this this other name that he
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was using in relation to Steven Holly it almost makes the trail go cold because there is no real Hannibal out there you
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wonder how much this could have been followed up on if if they would have taken the time to to do
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so now probably all at the same time or right around the same time captain that Scott was involved with this lean Emery
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Scott worked his charms on Jennifer Markham remember we spoke about her a little bit you recall that Jennifer was
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the girlfriend of Steve Enis Scott's cellmate and the supposed co-conspirator in a
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murder a murder plot against drug dealer Jason price it seems that she was possibly an
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important witness as well in a federal drug case and that's why the FBI they let Scott out but remember he's out with
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the idea of here's your fake identity we need you to keep an eye on her and stop
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any possible murder plots that might be about to take place Captain Scott Kimble may have been
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quite the ladies man I don't know or at least he's just very persuasive because by February 16th Jennifer Markham moved
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out of the temporary place that she was staying this was with the father of her child but this was not to be this
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doesn't sound to me like this was was a long-term place that she was going to stay it was just temporary right she
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moves out but she moves in with Scott Kimble okay so I know there's a lot going on here but in a very short period
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of time Scott Kimbell gets out of prison gets a a new identity he befriends this
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Leanne Emery she goes missing at the end of January and already by what the second week of February he's getting
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involved at least to the point where Jennifer Markham is willing to move in with him
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and he's there that could just be a financial situation why don't you come stay with I think it may have been or it
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was some kind of like I said I don't think he has the slickness or the charm that maybe a Bundy did but he has this
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slickness and not a slickness but he has I think it more of a charm coming from like a a big brother or a a a father
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figure yeah and the I guess if you were to compare the two my thoughts on that would be kind of a different scenario
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where Scott Kimble has to fool or trick a woman or anybody else for that matter kind of a little more long
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term wacko Ted Bundy all he's trying to trying to get you to believe is maybe he
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broke his arm and you just got to get in his car or help him carry some books or
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something that's kind of a shortterm uh uh thing but but yeah you're you're right he doesn't seem to have the
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uh sexual appeal oh God all right I don't know I don't know what to call it happy St Patrick's Day um his parents
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weren't on the fire but regardless she moves out of this place she goes to stay with Scott and I'm with you I think it's
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just to she may have been moving from one temporary housing situation to another
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right so Jennifer is a by all accounts a good mother um she worked as a stripper
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at Shotgun Willies this to it's just one of those situations sometimes you got to do what you got to
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do what her what her father says what he told dayline was she worked a job she really didn't want to just to put food
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on the table for her her son for her child right U Jennifer was also involved with a drug dealing felon and we know
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remember Steve Andis who was in prison and was Scott's onetime cmate this regardless of whatever
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happened she ends up moving in with Scott whatever the relationship is is not quite clear but he's telling her
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this guy is a just a a bevy of lies and he's telling her that he owns a coffee cart business in uh Seattle and that he
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could get her what he's calling it you know I can get you a real job because I'm the owner of this little business
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yeah she moves into I get your own coffee cart she did bring a bunch of furniture with her when she moved in uh
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the two planed to leave on a trip to Washington State on the 18th this was under the ruse that that Jennifer could
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learn how to manage the coffee business from Scott MH now on March 27th Jennifer markham's vehicle was
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found at the Denver International Airport where they were able to figure out that the car had been parked there
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since February 18th so you know I went to public school so what the math is here that but that's
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over a month your computer yeah let me let me type it in uh this is over a month but the other tricky thing here
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too is not only did the car sit at the Denver International Air airport for all of this time there's no record of
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Jennifer having ever boarded a flight ever departing from the area on a plane right what is this car doing there why
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is it seemingly left abandoned there the FBI did impound the vehicle but it was not searched for
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months as far as records show her parents were not notified that the vehicle had been found until nearly
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about a year later yeah look if there's no evidence I'm not going to fault anybody for not searching
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the vehicle but the fact that you're not notifying her parents yeah and I understand that we
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have this whole concept that oh well they're adults they're allowed to go missing if they want to but it just
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seems like law enforcement's just going yeah well she was a stripper so you know
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what's more confusing it matter what does it matter if we tell her parents what's more confusing to me on that
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whole level Captain is I I guess I get not telling her parents but what we have here get it what we have here is we have
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an individual that you have let somebody out of prison to keep an eye on and her car is found
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abandoned at an airport and it's been there for over a month that seems like something to look into right if or
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they're hiding something if you're to work on with somebody yeah or they're but or they're hiding something and
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that's the other thing too you have to wonder what the FBI believed they were getting out of
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their preferential treatment of Scott Kimble because it's not really clear we we would later learn that he did wear a
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wire for them at least on one occasion he did manage to get some what what some may call Semi incriminating statements
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on tape in a conversation between Scott and Jennifer she did not solicit him or anyone else to to kill anyone but she
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did describe Jason Pierce who remember the FBI believed this is the mark that this is the target Jason Pierce as a
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scumbag Who quote deserves to die Scott must have been dangling just enough information in front of them that this
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made the agents feel they were getting somewhere in this whole situation because they did continue to work with
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Scott now according to the Daily Camera Scott remained out of prison with the continual help of the federal government
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Scott's Handler at the FBI made repeated calls to a Montana prosecutor this to delay Scott's Court hearings in the 2001
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escape and theft cases that he was still facing charges there in March of 2003 Scott signed a plea deal on the 2001
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check fraud cases in Alaska Scott pled guilty to two count of counterfeiting a check despite having essentially stolen
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thousands of dollars he agreed to continue cooperating with the government and in return prosecutors recommended
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that he get the shortest sentence possible at the sentencing in December of 2003 judge Mara creger sentenced
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Scott to three years of supervised release even though this was technically his fifth felony conviction yeah it's
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ridiculous he recognized that he had cooperated with the government saying that the government points to at least
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three instances in which the defendant has provided substantial assistance in the investigation or prosecution of
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another person who has committed an offense the judge ordered Scott to pay Wells Fargo the bank
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$828 94 cents in restitution judge creger did make a very truthful remark she said that Scott's Behavior smacks of
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an attitude of I'm happy to turn other people in but I don't want to be held fully accountable for my own
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behavior by the end of March 2003 it seemed that the FBI was really starting to question their informant on
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what was going on with his Target with Jennifer Markham of course they had no idea that she was missing they found the
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vehicle but nobody investigated the abandoned vehicle they also never received any information from the person
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Scott Kimble that they appointed to watch her that she was missing so Scott told agent schla that Jennifer had
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purchased a gun and then took a flight to New York to kill her Target Jason Pierce a member of Steve ennis's drug
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gang whom she and Steve were plotting to murder meanwhile Scott had to earn a living somehow now it looks like he had
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actually planned for all of this while he was still in prison making as many friends as possible who would trust him
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so he could betray them later once he's out at their expense one such Target was
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a nearly 70-year-old doctor named John Alderman John had also shared a cell with Scott in the pen during his stay in
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col colado the doc was in for tax evasion when John was released he contacted Scott he's asking for help he
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needs things like you know I got to set up somewhere to live and get my life back together now that I'm out he asked
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Scott to cash a check for him since his bank accounts had all been seized remember he's in for he was in for tax
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evasion yeah this check was for $7,300 now he also asked Scott to pick up a trailer that John has lined up to
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live in well what do you think is going to happen here Captain by buy money that's right Scott cashed the check and
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he picked up the trailer as requested and then stole all of it John never heard from Scott Kimble
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what continue to be a mindboggling ser series of ill-advised decisions the FBI made its first documented payment to
00:31:03
Scott Kimble this took place in May of 2003 they paid him 600 bucks again what services he was rendering exactly are
00:31:11
not clear it seems that he must have been well he was committing a bunch of crimes so he's keeping them in business
00:31:18
people around him are disappearing it I'm guessing captain that he was manufacturing information stringing the
00:31:25
gullible agents long right then an arrest warrant was issued for Scott in the state of Washington for probation
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violations this is for failing to report to his uh po well that might have been the straw
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captain that broke the camels back so to speak because it looks like agent there
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was a lot of straws mountain of straws may have been the agent may have finally wised up because he did revoke
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Scott's status as a paid informant at this time and schlaf put in a request that the warrant be issued for Scott's
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arrest and so Scott was arrested in June of 2003 in Denver for the violation of parole he was in charge while he was out
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of watching over Jennifer Markham right so now that Scott is in custody the FBI wants to know where the hell is Jennifer
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markam right he tells the FBI that Jennifer died at the hands of Jason price the drug dealer he says Jason
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price strangled her Scott said that he had even seen photos of the body saying that the photos depicted Jennifer tied
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up with tape on her mouth this was bad news for the FBI their informant failed to inform them that this woman who he
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was supposed to watch for them a potential witness in a big drug case right a potential uh C conspirator in a
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murder plot was in danger not only in danger I guess but now he's saying she's dead she was murdered the FBI wanted to
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know if they could trust Scott so they administered a polygraph exam and the statements that I have seen
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from the FBI says that Scott Kimble managed to pass the polygraph test wow that's surprising yeah yeah so
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then agent schlaf arranged for Scott to be released stating that Scott was a valuable asset who may be able to help
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determine where Jennifer's Body is located now Not only was Scott released after this arrest warrant was quashed he
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was reinstated as an off an official FBI informant in mid 2003 fool me once shame
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on you knew fo me 5,000 times 5,000 times who who do we shame at this point everybody yeah everybody's shame schlaf
00:34:05
was completely snowed by Scott obviously which is ironic because the investigation into Scott Kimble his time
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as an FBI informant and his crimes that he committed or suspected of committing later would be called operation snowball
00:34:23
because that story that c that case just kept getting bigger and bigger now after
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Scott told him that Jennifer Markham was dead schlaf finally arranged for a search of her car remember we still have
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her vehicle yeah I remembered and and how many people right now are going what the what right yeah it's it's one thing
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if a criminal a con man a guy that's been doing this for years is able to maybe fool let's just say
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a a naive young female or an average Joe or an inmate or an inmate or the parents of a missing
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person or maybe even a local uh po right maybe two guys that sit in their garage
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and have a fake radio show right maybe the but that's what we have to go into next is how he he conned us out well I
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some money I know what you're getting at Captain real quick before we get into that cuz I think that's that's very
00:35:28
important that's key here and it's interesting it's it's head spinning but what you see in the actual paperwork is
00:35:35
that the FBI clearly must believe that something sinister is going on here whether they believe it be the problem
00:35:44
is they just don't believe that Scott Kimble is the one orchestrating any of this because the paperwork remember we
00:35:49
said they're going to finally search the vehicle now that they found Jennifer markham's vehicle the affidavit in
00:35:55
support of the search warrant request reads as follows the whereabouts of Jennifer Markham cannot be determined
00:36:03
and there is probable cause to believe that she is the victim of a homicide now let's review really quickly
00:36:11
here well wait hold on here's the problem right yo you have this this female she is a
00:36:19
stripper so in and whoever's eyes FBI's eyes for whatever reason that's a strike
00:36:27
against her we also know that she's connected or has a boyfriend in jail that is a drug dealer so we know he's a
00:36:36
piece of [ __ ] right and so I think when you have these individuals and most these individuals
00:36:46
that Scott is giving you a story he's saying well well this other criminal killed her or I believe he
00:36:55
killed her and so I think as far the reason why they're probably fooled is because everybody in
00:37:03
the pot that they're looking at is essentially a criminal or has some ties to criminal
00:37:11
activities well no I think you're you're you're spot on with with most of that I
00:37:16
don't know I mean we could debate the St stripper thing all day and night who knows but I think what we're seeing here
00:37:23
is exactly what you're kind of getting to is the FBI seems to obviously believe that
00:37:30
these other persons this this Jason price this uh the boyfriend that's still in prison right the Jennifer Markham
00:37:39
who's now missing they must believe that these three are all bigger criminals much more criminals than this guy Scott
00:37:48
Kimble who they have working for them and I think when they're pushed into a corner and they finally go all right
00:37:55
well let's give them a polygram let's see if maybe he is telling us the truth we just have nothing to work off of I
00:38:02
get that he passed the polygraph and I get that that can really confuse you and and and get you turned around there and
00:38:08
maybe you believe him again which obviously they did because they they were going to handcuff him and then they
00:38:15
decided not to let just prove he's a complete psycho and he's working again for them I think where I really call
00:38:22
this thing into question is when they find her vehicle it it's just it's even just Scott's actions right when they
00:38:30
find her vehicle they want to know hey Scott where is this person why are we finding her vehicle and his explanation
00:38:37
is well she purchased a gun she went off to New York City and she's going there to kill the guy remember I said when I
00:38:44
was in prison that her and her boyfriend are working on this murder plot right she's actually going there to kill him
00:38:52
but it's like the FBI should be like Yo dude why didn't you tell us that why did
00:38:58
we have to come to you to find out that information you're supposed to be coming
00:39:01
to us you're supposed to be watching her now you're telling us we can't find her
00:39:05
because she went to New York City or to New York to kill this guy and then when he's
00:39:13
arrested they go oh now we this is just two months later right one two yeah he they're going we really want to know
00:39:21
where she is now and then then the story is the complete opposite oh Jason price
00:39:28
killed Jennifer marham and so much so that I even saw pictures of the body and she was tied up and she had tape over
00:39:36
her mouth and again it's like why wouldn't you be okay dude why did why did we have to come to you to get this
00:39:43
information that is all you are in charge of is watching over this woman and now you fed us two stories one where
00:39:50
she's going to go kill somebody and you didn't let us know and two the other story is now she's been murdered
00:39:57
and you didn't let us know but I also wonder how much information is he feeding them that is actually panning
00:40:04
out I I think that's the problem is the when he passes that polygraph I I feel like that's like a wipes the Slate clean
00:40:13
well like we like we always say you if if it was up to us you know we would advise somebody
00:40:20
that if you're charged with a crime and they a ask you to take a polygraph there's nothing good that can come from
00:40:27
it even if you pass it's it's not you can't use that as evidence in a trial but in this case it's it's a lie
00:40:37
detector administered by the FBI and he passes so anytime that somebody that in a case that we've
00:40:47
covered take like The John Bay Ramsey case for example they pass a polygraph three times makes me wonder about the
00:40:56
how how much I should put any weight into these polygraph test or again does this just show how completely psycho
00:41:05
this individual is that he probably believes everything he's saying so let's put Scott's professional Antics on hold
00:41:13
for a few minutes here and let's go back and revisit his personal life okay we have two women that were connected to
00:41:23
Scott they are missing that's ER that's Leanne they went missing Scott now needs to fill this
00:41:32
female void in his life so enter Lori McLoud she's 39 years old a divorced single mother Lori met Scott at Denver's
00:41:42
Lodge casino sometime around February of 2003 Scott was Wheeling his mother in a
00:41:51
wheelchair up to the five card poker table Scott was very close with his with his mom Barb he doed on her and this
00:42:01
must have appealed to Lori so Scott told Lori when you know they start talking exchanging phone numbers he tells her
00:42:10
hey I'm an FBI agent and he's divorced with two kids they apparently hit it off right away which is a lot different than
00:42:18
an FBI informant yeah completely complet completely different um and Lorie says that loved the outdoors he loved camping
00:42:28
and hunting and that he was a romantic he I guess he called her a lot in the beginning paid a lot of attention
00:42:35
to her brought her flowers and he always seemed to have plenty of cash now Lor's
00:42:41
19-year-old daughter Casey seems like she likes Scott as well this according to Lori the three of them eventually
00:42:50
moved in together living together in a u suburb of Denver for a few months but Casey the daughter had some problems
00:43:00
okay at one point in her life she was addicted to meth this was in the past though at this point on our timeline she
00:43:08
is clean yeah it seems like she had a little hiccup in her life and it wasn't she wasn't she's definitely going down
00:43:15
the wrong path and hanging out with the wrong people but it was for a short period of time yeah and by this point
00:43:22
Scott is very intertwined in Casey's life and gave Lori his girlfriend the impression that he and Casey were not
00:43:30
only very close but he's also like helping her through these troubled times right but in May of 2003 Casey slips up
00:43:40
again this time she's arrested for felony theft and forgery after admitting to buying more than
00:43:48
$3,400 worth of merchandise this using a stolen credit card so now we have to go
00:43:54
to August of 20 3 this is when Scott shows Lori a glass vial of what she would later describe as a rock uh a
00:44:05
white rock crystal substance mhm he said that it looked to him like he says this
00:44:14
he found this this is Casey's uh possession and then it looked to him like Casey is using again so of course
00:44:21
mother confronts daughter Lori confronts Casey and threatens to call the police and Casey decides she's going to take
00:44:30
off yeah but she also said before she took off hey I this is these are not my drugs right I am clean I've been clean
00:44:38
hey by the way give me a drug test if you don't believe me give me a drug test so so then her mom doesn't
00:44:45
believe her and doesn't believe her to the point where she doesn't even offer to let her prove her
00:44:52
innocence Scott says he's going to like try to help the situation and his idea is he's going to get Casey a room at a
00:44:59
Motel 6 so she has someplace to stay but it doesn't have to be with Mom and boyfriend right maybe a little space is
00:45:07
needed between the two so not only is Casey going to be staying there but this is also so her
00:45:13
boyfriend can stay there as well after a few days of this Arrangement her boyfriend
00:45:21
Casey's boyfriend shows up at Lor's house saying that Casey is gone he does not know where she is adding that the
00:45:29
last time she that he saw Casey she was leaving for her job at Subway right Scott mom's boyfriend was the one that
00:45:39
was supposed to be giving her a ride to work that evening he said the boyfriend said that Scott showed up to pick her up
00:45:46
in his pickup truck with the trailer on the back this is the trailer he stole from the doctor he met in prison right
00:45:55
record show that Casey never went to work that day so she if we're to believe the
00:46:01
boyfriend and these work records she disappeared sometime between leaving for work and her 600 p.m. shift that day at
00:46:11
Subway Scott tells Lori this is a big mistake and that he did not drive or never was going to drive Casey to work
00:46:21
that day because he was already busy he was out in the mountains hunting that day
00:46:27
alone he told Lori that he had called his contacts at the FBI to assist in helping to find Casey well yeah because
00:46:36
I went to try to talk to the cops and say hey our daughter's missing and the cops say well she's an adult you can't
00:46:44
file a Miss person report so then Scott you know the hero yeah hey I will I'll get
00:46:52
to the bottom of this I have some contacts let me get some information so on August 31st this is 8 days after
00:46:59
KC went missing Lori and Scott get married in Vegas and they honeymooned in the mountains now note special note here
00:47:09
these are the same this is the same area where he said he was hunting 8 days earlier right now when they got back
00:47:17
home there was some indication that Casey had been there while they were gone or at least as far as Scott was
00:47:23
concerned Scott pointed out these Possible little indicators to Lori showing her a gold necklace looped over
00:47:32
a door knob uh this was the necklace Casey was believed to be wearing when she was last seen Scott also pointed out
00:47:40
a makeup box that was moved to a different location so he they come back home and he's pointing out look it
00:47:47
appears that someone has been here and it was probably Casey judging by this uh necklace I believe he also told her that
00:47:54
he he got some eyewitness account uh that somebody saw Casey yeah so he he's just fabricating all this stuff well and
00:48:05
the difficult thing here too for Lori then becomes that that Christmas at Christmas time Casey never comes home
00:48:14
she never contacts Mom never contacts her biological father and her parents Lori and Lor's ex-husband Rob they were
00:48:24
really reduced to the idea at this point that look the drugs had taken their daughter again she's off on a bender
00:48:32
she's using meth again and hopefully she'll come home when she either hits rock bottom or needs money or or
00:48:39
something MH but these months will turn into years Casey simply may just be gone now after they were married Scott
00:48:51
and Lori wanted to start a business they moved to they moved to Adams County um to start Faith Farms a beef wholesale
00:49:01
business in July of 2014 there was a terrible accident on the farm Scott's 10-year-old son from
00:49:10
his marriage to Lissa hence was playing when a 200b metal grate fell on top of him now instead of waiting for an
00:49:21
ambulance Scott picks up the boy his name is Justin puts him in his Jeep and then takes off hight tailing it to the
00:49:31
the um Hospital M somehow along the way Justin the boy falls out of the vehicle now when they finally arrived at
00:49:42
the hospital Justin is in very he's in very bad shape he had emergency surgery on
00:49:50
his brain and skull his skull was fractured and he went into a coma that lasted weeks Justin's recovery was slow
00:49:59
and so because of this accident and because of the recovery process Scott's 60-year-old Uncle his name is Terry
00:50:08
moved from Alabama to help take care of the recuperating boy Terry moved in with Scott and Lori
00:50:18
and worked with Scott in this beef business that they have started up but then just like that Captain Uncle
00:50:26
Terry boom poof he's gone right Lori came home one day this is at the end of August and she said that she found her
00:50:35
sofa sitting outside covered in vomit the Scott said that the vomit was from Uncle Terry's dogs that the dogs were
00:50:45
sick and Scott told Lori Uncle Terry HIIT it big he won the lottery and he and the dogs and a stripper named j
00:50:55
Ginger took all of the money and they left for Mexico okay this is a weird story in
00:51:02
itself but what is even more weird Lori says that all of Terry's stuff was still
00:51:09
left behind in the guest room where he was staying it's like him the dogs and this woman that she never met right took
00:51:17
off for Mexico and all of his stuff was still still there and but hold on what makes it not so weird is that Uncle
00:51:26
Terry actually did come into some money somehow so he had some money he would actually carried some money in a
00:51:34
briefcase around with him and and would talk about the you know this this stack of money that he came
00:51:41
into so I don't think it's when you know that somebody came into money and then you go hey guess what he he not only did
00:51:50
he come into some money but he won a bunch of money he won the lottery he and now he's Beyond Rich yeah you're sitting
00:51:58
there going oh okay that's where that money came from right well in October of 2004 Scott ventured further into the
00:52:06
beef business starting Rocky Mountain allnatural beef with his brother Brett and his mom Barb this was in Lafayette
00:52:15
Colorado where Scott grew up Scott bought seed cattle for the business from a livestock exchange using a check for
00:52:25
for $1,617 this check was under the name Terry Kimble AKA Uncle Terry mhm the check bounced like a basketball but
00:52:41
Scott had already taken the cattle back to his Ranch and of course he did not give the livestock exchange his real
00:52:49
name or his address the livestock exchange filed a complaint against Terry Kimble with the Department of
00:52:58
Agriculture two months later but as we already said Terry Kimble was in Mexico with his dogs and
00:53:06
[Music] ginger all right Colonel do we have any recommended reading this week well yes
00:53:21
we do there Captain this week we are recommending this is actually one the we recommended oh probably a year or so ago
00:53:28
but I'm reading it again for the second time and he was such a good guest on the
00:53:32
show I thought we got to recommend this one again it's called in the name of the
00:53:36
children an FBI agent's Relentless pursuit of the nation's worst predators and that is by Jeffrey rck who was on
00:53:44
our show quite some time ago 30-year career with the FBI was kind enough to come on our show check that book out you
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