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the shitter's full well somebody needs to empty it Captain that's enough of the business everybody gather around grab a
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chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] when an adult goes missing Without a
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Trace often families struggle to get law enforcement to take the case of their loved ones disappearance seriously and
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urgently adults after all are capable of making their own decisions leading their own
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lives without answering to others as adults we have the freedom to take off at a moment's notice
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and the freedom to make drastic decisions some that can lead to devastating consequences
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it is the missing person's family that is Left Behind to put the pieces of the puzzle together
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some families have been left searching forever we have heard so many times that mother
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will always leave the light on for you but parents brothers and sisters sometimes pass away
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never knowing what happened to their loved one all of their questions go unanswered
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don't let this be one of those cases William Paul smolinski Jr was born January 14 1973.
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he went by the name of Billy his missing Flyers describe him as a Caucasian male
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six foot tall 200 pounds with brown hair and blue eyes he had a pierced left ear
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a tattoo of a blue cross on his left shoulder and a tattoo on his forearm that read Pruitt pru Itt
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the last reported sighting of him was August 24th 2004 at his home in Waterbury Connecticut Billy smolinski
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was 31 years old when he disappeared this is true crime garage [Music] foreign at the time of his disappearance Billy
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smolinski lived in Waterbury a working-class town located about a half hour from Hartford Connecticut
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Billy worked three jobs and he loved wrenching on cars Captain there are several problems with Billy's
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disappearance but the one of most concern is plain and simply this since Billy disappeared Without a Trace
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and Foul Play is suspected no one can be 100 percent certain who was the last person to see him or to talk to him lots
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of people could have motivation to lie about their last contact with Billy some things have been verified by police
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which we will indicate when we discuss them but the general facts according to Billy's family friends and police
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reports are these on Tuesday August 24th Billy purchased a meal at a Burger King restaurant in
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Waterbury Connecticut he ordered Burger King's signature hamburger the Whopper I'm getting hungry for lunch here and he
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got a cheeseburger medium fries and a Coca-Cola the receipt for this meal was time stamped 2 59 PM according to police
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reports at around 5 PM on August 24th Billy knocked on the door of his neighbor this is Roy Henley and said the
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following I'm heading up North and I put that in air quotes there up North for three days to look at a car
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that I'm considering buying could you please look after Harley a Harley is Billy's beloved German Shepherd
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Billy told the neighbor where he had placed a key to the house so that Roy could get in and feed the dog and let
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the dog out now according to Roy he and Billy also briefly discussed Billy's very fresh
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breakup with his girlfriend after this conversation with Roy Billy returned home and Roy never saw him after that
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so let's stop here captain and think about this story for a second Billy was known to buy and fix up old cars so this
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story makes some sense is there any animosity between him and his neighbor well I think the thought here is
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this this would be the reported last sighting of Billy that we would know of okay and the thought here is there's
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Foul Play suspected against Billy and that's why we believe he's still missing to this day now who was the perpetrator
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of that we don't know so therefore if Roy had been somebody to have done something to him then he could have
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fabricated this story that hey he came over and asked me to watch the dog right but there's is there evidence or not of
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animosity between the two okay so I don't know I don't know how much animosity there would have been other
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than we have some reports of of two things one Billy it wouldn't be common for him to ask somebody to watch his dog
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for so that seems odd and two there are people that say Billy didn't really care
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for Roy and that's about as much of a description as we have about the relationship between the two now we all
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know you know you live next to people you have friends you have family there are times that there are people that you
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like in the long run but you may have a bad day with them from time to time and maybe you just tell somebody hey don't
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really care for Roy you know maybe you just had a bad day with Roy and Roy's actually pretty fine in your
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relationship together is pretty fine overall well sometimes with specially with neighbors you can have a neighbor
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that's very friendly and a good neighbor and a good person but because they're always in a good mood
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you're like yeah guys okay well the other thing though too that's tricky here is why would it take three days he
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says hey can you watch my dog and I need you to watch him for three days why does
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it take three days for him to just go simply check out a car that he's thinking of purchasing do we have any
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more reports of Billy telling anybody else that he's going to go check out a car
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no we do not but I think the thing that's that's tough here is that he doesn't really give a great description
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of where he may be going so maybe that is why it's going to take three days because you know simply saying I'm going
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up no up north is not a great description of where he is heading to find this car I have a lot of buddies
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that buy cars and flip them and or do some repairs on them and then sell them and it's you know when you get a lead or
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a bite on something you have to go immediately so it could be something that Billy found out about 20 minutes
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before he decided hey I'm going to go talk to my neighbor and see if he can watch the dog
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so the next morning around 10 a.m Roy went to Billy's house to let Harley out but the key was not where Billy said he
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would have left it so Roy was locked out of Billy's house he couldn't get in to take care of the dog so Roy went back to
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his home and called Mary Ellen Noble and this is Billy's ex-girlfriend yes and I'm guessing that Roy would have had her
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phone number in case of an emergency with the dog maybe it was left with him that night I don't or maybe he had it on
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file let's say because of the dog and I think it'll become clear later while he might have had that number so alarm
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Bells immediately went off in Mary Ellen's mind she called Billy's sister Paula who
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called her mother Jan all of them the three of them are trying to contact Billy none of them ever get a hold of
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him the two decide to meet at Billy's house so this is his sister and his mother and
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when they arrive they become more concerned yeah they become more concerned because his pickup truck he
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has a white pickup truck which you assume he'd be using the drive up north is parked in his driveway but it's also
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parked oddly because it's really close to the street yeah it's at the bottom of the driveway so the two the mother and
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sister are alarmed and according to them Billy leaving Harley in the hands of the
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neighbor was completely out of character so on top of that he neglected to leave
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a key remember he said he was going to leave a key this was so the dog could be let out yeah but he didn't do that right
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but this does not rule out the fact that he is leaving in a hurry for some reason
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and he just forgets to leave the key for the neighbor again odd that the neighbor
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is watching the dog but not that odd if you have to go immediately for some unknown reason right according to the
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family his dog was his best friend and according to his ex-girlfriend Mary Ellen Billy didn't even like Roy now we
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don't have a great description of what that means or a good understanding of what that means we just have one person
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with the very simple statement of I don't even think Billy liked Roy right so Paula and Jan they went to the police
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station at Waterbury to file a missing persons report police listened to their story particularly the part about the
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neighbor saying that Billy had said he was leaving to go out of town for three days and the two ladies were told hey
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you're going to have to wait 72 hours to file this report which I mean it's aggravating after the
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fact because we sit here today knowing that he's still missing but at the same time like we've kind of
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talked about in the trailer this guy's 31 years old if he says I'm going out of town for three days I think
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the police are saying look you might just be having a hard time getting a hold of the guy I understand that he did
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some things out of character but he's allowed to leave to go out of town why don't we become concerned when he
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doesn't reappear after this trip the troubling things though the you know like we said Roy's story being the only
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story we have is a little troubling the dog thing is is troubling in the in the sense of this
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Mary Ellen and and Billy had got that dog together they got Harley together when they were in
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their long-term relationship and so the way that this kind of worked is they jokingly said hey after they
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split up they remained friends and they said hey we got we got joint custody of our dog Harley
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my understanding is that the dog primarily lived with Billy but if he were to go out of town or need someone
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to take care of the dog Mary Ellen was his go-to like that was the regular thing she wanted the dog at her house
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she wanted to help out with the dog take care of the dog and so everybody found it very strange that Billy would choose
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Roy who we have the ex-girlfriend saying that he might not have really cared for
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Roy over this designated spot that the dog would often go to to be taken care of regularly very strange but again to
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play Devil's Advocate we have a situation where maybe Billy had to leave immediately and maybe he didn't want his
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ex to know where he was going so we have a situation where they're not going to take the police report for 72
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hours so his mother and sister are going to return to Billy's home to look for Clues they're kind of on their own
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they're going to try to piece This Together by themselves this is when they found the Burger King receipt which was
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located they found it in a trash can time stamped 259 the day that he was last seen right the house was neat and
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nothing appeared to have been Disturbed according to them they called his friend
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this man's name is Chris who lived in New Hampshire because he was the only friend that they could think of who
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lived quote up north where Billy had told Roy he was headed Chris had not heard from Billy the biggest part of
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this investigation to me Captain is Billy because always you know the possibility in these cases
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is Billy could be the reason that we can't find Billy so none of his family has ever
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acknowledged the possibility that Billy would ever voluntarily disappear to start a new life or
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harm himself I got a question because back to this truck so this white truck his pickup truck that's his main vehicle
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or does he have is that his main vehicle and he has multiple vehicles I mean if he's selling or fixing up cars then one
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would assume that he has access to other vehicles I believe he has two vehicles one being
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the truck and I think the other is either a motorcycle or a dirt bike Okay so here's the thing
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and God bless all the motorcyclists out there uh God bless you actually I hung out with a guy last weekend listen this
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is craziness this is borderline Insanity the guy drove on his motorcycle rode his motorcycle
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to and from Alaska from Ohio nice that's one hell of a trip but like that seems Seems incredibly dangerous to me but
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sorry what I meant to be saying though is under this assumption with the the motorcycle and the um dirt bike
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possibility I think that was located at his home in his garage okay I was gonna say because one could assume you pull
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the truck out just enough where you can get the motorcycle around and when you go to take off you're just like yeah I'm
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not gonna pull my truck in I'll be back in a couple days his but if you find his
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motorcycle at his house then what did he take his truck was his main source of transportation and believed to have been
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the vehicle he would have chosen for this three-day trip right but hold on a second if you have to go pick up a car
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if you like the car and you don't want it towed then maybe you could drive something you
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see what I'm saying like maybe maybe what he was going to go look at was a truck and he could throw the motorcycle
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in the back of the truck just just throwing it out there no I get you but the that vehicle is not missing
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right but what I'm saying is we have a guy that deals with vehicles so I'm just wondering
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all my buddies that sell vehicles I cannot tell you how many vehicles they have at a single time
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oh I see what you mean that there could have been some other vehicle I mean I'd pull up at my buddy's house that sells
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cars and there's two new cars that week right you know or two motorcycles in the
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garage well then or one time uh they got back uh from a trip from Indiana and they bought eight motorcycles who
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buys eight motorcycles a possibility but if this were the case it would have to be an unregistered
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vehicle to him um but regarding him harming himself or taking off starting a new life like I
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said his family just they do not seem to think that that's a possibility given what they know about their son and their
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brother um the questionable thing here though is that he recently had some turmoil in his
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personal life we know this because he was talking to Roy about how he had just recently broke up with a girlfriend
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and this is not the girlfriend that was going to take care of the dog right this
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is a different girlfriend okay so Billy had personally relayed to his sister the
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following information in the day or two leading up to his disappearance Billy was seeing a woman named Madeline
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Gleason the two had been dating for about a year they met when they both worked at a school bus they were school
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bus drivers for a company called B B transportation this is a huge busing company Madeline was 16 years older than
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Billy she had been married three times and had five children from these different relationships she was a little
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rough around the edges and I'm using other people's description of her Billy's family was not a big fan of hers
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they did not see what he saw in her they much preferred Billy's ex of eight years
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Mary Ellen who we've discussed already ready Mary Ellen and Billy had broken up just before he started dating Madeline
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and his parents said outright that they still had hope that Mary Ellen would one
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day be their daughter-in-law Mary Ellen and Billy had adopted Harley together as we said as a puppy and they
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considered that they had this joint custody of the dog Mary Ellen would later say that him
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leaving the dog with anybody other than her would just flat out never happen so Roy is just a flaming pile of dog [ __ ]
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well I don't think we can say that for certain but what we should point out is this okay the information that he gave
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to his sister well I'm just saying she said he'd never leave the dog with anybody
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but her well he did during this time Roy killed him during the course of the relationship with Madeleine uh Billy was
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committed to her and to her young son who was about 14 at the time there were reports that he had planned on having
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the two of them move in with him at some point Paula and Jan told police that Billy had gone with Madeline to Florida
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the week before he had vanished despite the fact that he hated to fly and never took vacations
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Billy's parents said despite his anxiety about flying and traveling in general he
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was excited about this trip he even came over to their home to borrow their luggage to use on this trip and this
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trip was going to be to visit one of Madeline's older Sons who was about Billy's age this is her son Tom
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true to their agreement say what the sun is the same age as Billy yeah she's 16 years older than Billy true to
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their agreement Mary Ellen had Harley for the days that Billy was in Florida on this vacation according to Mary Ellen
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she spoke to Billy from Florida and said that he told her that he had noticed that his girlfriend was receiving phone
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calls on her cell phone and was hiding these calls from him he became suspicious that Madeline was seeing
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somebody else Mary Ellen told one story that Billy had caught her standing in the shower
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pretending to shower but secretly on the phone Madeline was on the phone with another
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man the way that Madeline told this story in court later Billy had snatched the phone from her and went through the
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call log and the contacts on her phone look I'm just gonna put this out there been there done that did the whole
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disappearing cell phone trick to the whole who's texting you a bit if you're at that point where you have
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to ask just get up walk away get up and walk away well that's pretty much what happens because she admits
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that she is seeing somebody she's seeing a married man this is a businessman uh from Connecticut and Billy and her broke
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up uh and returned to Connecticut this on Sunday August 22nd and they went their separate ways both Mary Ellen and
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Paula said that Billy took or I'm sorry talked to both of them the day after he got back okay he told them both he was
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through with his girlfriend he said that he told his boss you know mind you he's working
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several jobs at durable Towing that he was absolutely devastated by this whole thing like I said there's every
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indication to believe that he was having her and her son move in with him relatively soon they were going to take
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the relationships she had five children correct so there's only one that's young
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enough to be in her care okay yeah yeah he was he was 14 years old now we don't know if Jan or Paula called Madeline to
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ask if she had seen or heard from Billy if they did they likely heard this story
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from her this is what she had told police after Billy had disappeared all all of this is recorded in the police
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report she said Billy called her home on the night of Monday August 23rd but she had not picked up then at four
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or five a.m on the morning of Tuesday August 24th the the day that he vanished Billy set a ladder next to her window at
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her home and attempted to climb in the window she ended up letting him in through the the door
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and they talked for about an hour we we don't really know what was said or where
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the two left things but later she told police that Billy wanted to get back together and he still wanted the two of
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them to move in with him according to their plan you know stick with the plan she told him she needed time to think
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about it and he left as she put it he appeared to be depressed when he left it's likely he left her home because of
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three phone calls made from his home later that day these calls appeared on Billy's call records and were found in
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the course of a police warrant they all were placed between 11 44 a.m and 11 58 a.m now the three calls that were made
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were all to the same number and that was of Chris Swanson who is a kind of a low-level politician he was the
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businessman that was having the affair with Madeline so he's a prominent businessman too he's
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pretty pretty well to do Chris and Billy would likely have known each other as well because Chris was involved with a
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he owned a trucking company so it's thought that their paths would have crossed at some point just through their
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lines of work right Chris's father Christopher was a business partner with Billy's boss at the bot at the bus
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company so another link there the Waterbury Observer calls Chris Swanson a quote an elected public
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official with power and influence now the first two calls of those three calls they were both Hang-Ups but the third
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call there was a message and a message was left once police began to consider Billy's disappearance a
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serious case they questioned Swanson about Billy and confiscated the answering machine tape the message said
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quote Chris you better watch your back at all times Chris denied knowing who had made the calls
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the message was left anonymously so after these phone calls and then the conversation with the neighbor which
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took place much later in the day no one has admitted to ever seeing or hearing from Billy again
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foreign [Music] [Music] cheers how you doing tonight colonel cheers to you captain
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after 72 hours had elapsed Jan and Paula were finally able to file a missing persons report and they did so close to
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midnight on August 27th the authorities then searched Billy's home and as stated
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nothing seemed amiss they searched his truck but they did not check for fingerprints despite the family
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insisting that it was parked in an inconsistent manner police did test the house garage and truck for signs of
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blood but found none bizarrely according to the Waterbury Observer several days after Billy vanished Billy's truck was
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broken into in the middle of the night and papers were strewn about the cab it's unknown whether this is a
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coincidence the theft is a theft is a problem in this area right so it could have just been a coincidence as for the
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neighbor Roy per his statement about Billy saying he was leaving was apparently believed by investigators and
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prevented them from considering Foul Play early in this investigation the police interviewed Roy on August 31st
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according to the report and we have to hope that they have reason to believe that he is not in any way involved since
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they you know he's never been labeled a suspect or Person of Interest one piece of information that the family
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has never revealed but that was in a police report was that Billy had been fired that day from his job at Midland
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HVAC how was he fired was he fired in person yes he was fired in person so he went to
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work he gets fired then at some point he goes to his ex-girlfriend's house that she's seeing
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another man she's seen this crisp guy he then comes back to his house between now
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now he so they sent someone to his home the the company sent somebody to his home to retrieve he drove a truck for
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them an HVAC truck it was a company's truck and so they sent someone to his home on the morning of the 24th and at
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that time they collected the truck and Billy was given a pink slip and why was he fired well we don't know the
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motivation behind this firing One news report attributed attributed to a slow season which doesn't make a whole lot of
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sense for HVAC company in August or the yeah but I mean it's very possible could be any trade
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um is going to have layoffs so I could see that being a possibility so again that the the problem becomes if it's
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just the layoff somebody like Billy that works in that field is going to go this
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happens but if it's not that then this just adds fuel to the depression that conflict he's having with his
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ex-girlfriend well yeah and and that's what's going to be troubling for detectives and what's
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going to make it hard for them to have maybe a proper investigation early on because they hear about his recent
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breakup they hear that he's been laid off or fired from Midland and they kind of they didn't say it outwardly but
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they're kind of implying to the family that suicide might have to be considered or that Billy had taken off okay let's
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run this down really quick so in the morning somebody sends over somebody to his house to fire Billy
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they take back their truck their work truck at some point he goes to his ex-girlfriend's house he puts the ladder
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up to the window he tries to that happened the night before okay that happened the night before so the night
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before he goes and confesses his love he wants to make it work she says I have to think
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about it he wakes up in the morning he's fired at some point he makes calls to Chris just before noon which is the
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guy three calls two Hang-Ups one message one message that could be considered a threatening message too right and then
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so that's between 11 44 and uh 12 o'clock by noon all three calls have happened and at some point then he goes
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to Burger King and that receipt is at 259 correct and then what time does he go talk to Roy around five o'clock
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around five o'clock and then what time does Roy say that he that's just the last he talked to Billy
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he didn't actually see Billy leave his house yeah and Roy didn't really let anybody know that anything could be
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wrong because he didn't realize anything was wrong until 10 a.m the next morning
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when he goes to let the dog out and he can't get into the home he can't find the key so he calls the ex-girlfriend
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Mary Ellis so what now well even though the police are kind of implying to Billy's family that suicide might be
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likely or that he may have taken off the family isn't going to stop searching they're going to ask the community and
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volunteers to come forward and over the three-day Labor Day weekend 200 Searchers starting at Billy's house
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fanned out through the greater Waterbury area looking for Billy or clues of what
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could have happened to him then as the result of a tip volunteers scoured every inch of the nagatuck Naugatuck close
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enough River from Watertown to the Naugatuck area they found homeless encampments and dead deer but they never
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found Billy now his sister Paula contacted a group called dogs d-a-w-g-s disaster and Wilderness ground
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Searchers Inc local law enforcement did work with the dogs group following along
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in case anything was found that a member of law enforcement would be present at that time
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but 10 days after Billy disappeared his sister went down to Police Headquarters and she said quote I was a little Snappy
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about she was concerned about the lack of attention the police were giving to Billy's investigation now at that time
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after her going in there and kind of giving them the business a new detective was a place business a new detective was
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placed on the case and he went to Billy's house to have a look around within 15 minutes the sergeant came back
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into the house with Billy's keys and Billy's wallet Paula said he had found them tucked underneath the
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driver's seat in Billy's Truck the family took this discovery as a very very bad sign Billy could not have left
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of his own accord they believed without any money or a vehicle so searches of Billy's bank accounts showed no activity
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after the August 24th purchase at the Burger King in fact one report says that he had just deposited his paycheck when
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he went missing speaking of the Burger King in the three-day window when they were told to wait to see if
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Billy turned up Jan and Paula had gone to that Burger King to try to view the surveillance tapes to see if there was
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anyone with Billy or what his mood appeared to be right and it also makes you just want to Whopper
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they were told that the tapes were erased after 24 hours and that they were too late that they couldn't view
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anything one interesting addition to the timeline was posted on an online chat forum and this is by Billy's mother she
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pointed out that Billy must have gone missing in the evening time she said hardly could not have gone longer than
00:35:14
11 hours without making a mess in the house and when Mary Ellen got to the home this was around 10 a.m on the
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morning on the 25th on the on August so she's using that 10 o'clock marker as if
00:35:29
we backtrack this it's got to be less than 11 hours from that time frame yeah I would agree with them on that but
00:35:37
here's what's my gut is telling me right I mean other than wanting Burger King is
00:35:46
we have a situation right we have a poly D situation where he tells his neighbor that he
00:35:55
quote unquote doesn't even like hey Roy can you watch my dog I'm going somewhere
00:36:00
for a few days by the way don't check on my dog until the morning and I'm going to leave a key for you underneath the
00:36:08
mat now I know that Roy me being Billy I know that Roy has the number to probably
00:36:17
family or my ex ex-girlfriend that helps take care of the dog right so when there
00:36:23
is no key found then he's going to make a phone call hey there's this dog he left
00:36:31
that gives him a heads up to get wherever he's going um and then we have another situation where you have this
00:36:38
truck his primary vehicle and the keys his keys and his wallet are underneath the seat
00:36:46
yeah almost like he's leaving it for you almost like he's leaving hey anything in
00:36:52
my wallet it's yours you can have it and like we said he sells Vehicles he buys Vehicles is it possible that he had
00:37:01
an unregistered vehicle of some kind and is in his garage and that would be another reason why the truck would be
00:37:08
pulled out a little bit so they could get the vehicle around and he took off and this was a way of taking off
00:37:17
um possibly to commit suicide and leaving everything in its place for people to find it
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okay let's work backwards through that we'll start with the truck and then we'll get to the dog here are my
00:37:29
thoughts the keys in the wallet are found in his truck 10 days after he went missing
00:37:35
three days after he went missing the truck is quote unquote broken into so if the keys and wallet were in the
00:37:45
truck at that time those seem like items that somebody breaking into a truck would want to find so either they didn't
00:37:52
find them or those items weren't there when the truck was broken into yeah but didn't you say that they were underneath
00:37:58
a seat yeah right I don't know what would make me think that the thief would not check
00:38:04
underneath the seat I mean I can't say for certain that they would but I don't see why it works so what I'm
00:38:11
going I'm going there with that just keep that in mind just just because the wallet and the keys are found in the
00:38:17
truck there are reasons why they may have been found there without Billy having left them there on purpose
00:38:23
meaning one of two things either somebody either Billy was met with Foul Play and killed somewhere disposed of
00:38:32
somewhere and they returned his truck to his home and stuffed the keys in the wallet underneath his seat or
00:38:39
Billy left him there or did something happen to Billy and then later at some point somebody goes me having this
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wallet and these Keys is a really bad idea maybe I should figure out what to do with them oh I'll put them back in
00:38:52
his truck let me break in right and then then you know I'll throw some I'll throw
00:38:58
some trash all about the the truck and maybe police will just go well maybe we missed it maybe we just happen to miss
00:39:05
that when we look through the truck I don't know that they really spent a good time looking through the truck at the
00:39:11
first time that they showed up to the house okay um so if they did in those those items had
00:39:19
been there the entire time they couldn't have they could not have done a good job
00:39:23
searching the truck if those items were there the entire time correct yeah yeah so all right let's agree on
00:39:30
that at least we know that they did not do a very good search of his truck the first time now regarding the dog I
00:39:38
believe the mom and I know that other people are like that seems weird that she would say 11 hours no no no no I
00:39:47
think that's I think that's so honest I know with my own experience with my dogs
00:39:52
when I go somewhere often if I go somewhere just for like a quick overnight trip I do have somebody show
00:39:59
up and let my dogs out in the late evening and then again early in the morning right I have a bit of a Time
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marker where I know hey uh I don't want my dogs to be uncomfortable and it starts to get a little uncomfortable for
00:40:12
them after a certain period of time I actually think a couple of things are going on here let's say the story that
00:40:20
Roy provides us that the neighbor provides us is in fact true yeah and please believe him
00:40:26
well if again and I understand that people are like but he doesn't like Roy but he might like again he might like
00:40:35
Roy he might said that offhanded it could be a very nice neighbor Billy either left in a hurry
00:40:43
or he left with the purpose of not coming back that's why he left the dog you know that's why he talked to Roy but
00:40:50
that's kind of a conflicting statement there and what I mean by this is is the following so
00:40:56
let's it for him to leave the dog with Roy would be out of character right yeah that from what everyone has said
00:41:05
so but we have the situation where where the dog is not he doesn't show Roy doesn't show up to let the dog out until
00:41:15
10 a.m what I would like to have a clear understanding of is was that the time that he was instructed to show up hey
00:41:22
are you gonna be home tomorrow sure could you come over around 9 30 10 a.m and let the dog out because if that was
00:41:29
a time that was instructed and this 11 hour marker of the dog making a mess in the house or being uncomfortable right
00:41:37
well then that would indicate to me that Billy didn't leave the home until 11 pm
00:41:41
that night okay which is pretty late it's six hours after he all of a sudden has to leave the house in a hurry to the
00:41:48
point where he's got to leave the dog with his neighbor you see what I mean if if Billy knew that he was going to have
00:41:53
a five six hour time window before you had to leave he would have left the dog with his ex-girlfriend it's it's all
00:42:00
very strange I would like to know maybe right but I think the problem with that is that if they have a pretty good
00:42:08
relationship right and maybe Billy's a pretty honest guy and he's not one that is good at let's say lying
00:42:16
right and she starts asking him questions about where he's going whether he's going to go after this Chris guy whether
00:42:25
he's gonna go somewhere to hurt himself maybe he's just going somewhere to think
00:42:32
right or maybe he's going to confront his ex-girlfriend he might not want this person that's been in his life for
00:42:40
eight years or more to ask questions you see what I'm saying like that's why he would leave the dog with Roy because
00:42:49
Roy's not gonna ask that many questions and if he does it's like well I'm just going up I came up with the story I'm
00:42:55
looking for a car I'm going to be gone three days do you mind helping me out yeah
00:43:00
good I'll help you out right no and I agree with that no questions asked but if you ask hey can you take the dog your
00:43:08
ex-girlfriend's gonna go yeah where are you going right I'm going to go up North and look
00:43:13
at a car but maybe that doesn't work with her right that's all I'm saying no and I agree Billy would know that more
00:43:18
than me or you would I agree and what I'm saying is if the the story of him leaving the dog with Roy is in fact true
00:43:26
then that was purposeful by Billy there was a reason for doing such and it was either he was in a hurry or he was felt
00:43:34
he needed to hide or conceal something from the ex-girlfriend right right so before Billy dated Madeline the one that
00:43:40
he had all the problems with you know they recently broke up the one with five kids the one that was 16 years older the
00:43:46
one that was cheating on him with Chris right he was involved in an eight-year relationship with Mary Ellen Noble they
00:43:54
had known each other since high school they said that their breakup was a mutual decision and that they remained
00:44:00
close friends right up until the point Billy disappeared the last time that Mary Ellen saw Billy or spoke with him
00:44:07
she said Billy was sad about the breakup but he also seemed fine and that the two
00:44:14
of them actually made plans to go to Six Flags to the amusement park the next weekend and Mary Ellen quoted Billy as
00:44:22
saying the last words he said to me were don't forget sad Saturday don't forget don't forget
00:44:28
you know Billy would not have this is what she points to as Billy would not have committed suicide bringing up that
00:44:35
he had something that he was looking forward to according to her now in a missing person's case we really only
00:44:42
have one side of the story of what the missing person was like the family generally controls The Narrative of what
00:44:50
the person was like and what was going on in their life at the time who they were close with what their plans were
00:44:57
what they were you know into or or likely or not likely to do right Billy's family has been more involved than most
00:45:08
in the investigation into his disappearance they paint a fairly Rosy picture of him according to the
00:45:14
smolinsky's Billy was a really caring giving guy who would drop everything to help someone in need he had a tattoo on
00:45:22
his arm that was the name of a friend who had passed away and they said that Billy was a creature of habit he loved
00:45:30
his truck his motorcycle his dog and his girlfriend he was an avid snowmobiler and fisherman and he drove a drove in
00:45:39
demolition derbies sometimes on the weekends yeah those are I actually had a old student that did that it was a lot
00:45:46
of fun to go watch and they would create you had to create the vehicle and then just go Smash It Up well Billy was
00:45:55
described by both family and friends as an incredibly hard worker who always showed up for work and took very little
00:46:01
time off well that's what makes me believe that he got laid off more than he got fired and as far as any of them
00:46:09
know he did not do drugs and he only drank occasionally Okay so but likely Captain we have to believe
00:46:18
that there are other aspects to Billy's personality that that we're not going to receive from the
00:46:26
family well first of all if I ever go missing please tell the public that he was a curmudgeon that he was a nasty man
00:46:35
and he was um is very mean and and bitter towards the world please don't tell people that every time
00:46:43
I walked into the room I I lit it up like roses and sunshine well according to media and some things that we can
00:46:50
find online there are several articles about Billy's case referring to him as a quote-unquote tough guy and this seems
00:46:59
to be in the context of he wouldn't let anyone push him around or he wouldn't take any [ __ ] from anyone there are
00:47:06
hints that he may have had a temper there are several discussions online in which people claim to know for a fact
00:47:13
that Billy was the type to get into bar room brawls another word that has been used to describe Billy is
00:47:20
confrontational now I only saw this a couple of times but police reports indicate that Chris the remember the
00:47:28
secret lover told police that he had never had any interaction or trouble with Billy but then admitted after
00:47:36
continued questioning that Billy had in fact broken the windows on a bus on by Chris several months earlier Madeline
00:47:45
stated in court documents that she thinks Billy suspected something was going on between the two of them for
00:47:51
quite some time before it was confirmed on the Florida trip well let's Okay so let's be a little clear right now this
00:48:00
Chris guy is a cheater right he's married right right cheater and he's a liar I mean how many times he
00:48:12
gets three calls from the guy that goes missing I don't know who he is right and then after more questioning
00:48:21
yeah we had some run-ins with each other so I I don't know if he's involved but I
00:48:28
know he's a liar yeah but the thing here is with these broken windows it may just
00:48:35
simply be a situation where he thinks Billy is a likely culprit and doesn't really have anything to go off of and
00:48:42
right at all Billy broke these windows and Billy in all fairness may not have done that well no [ __ ] because two
00:48:50
seconds earlier you didn't have any confrontations with him this one I'm State that's what I'm stating it's hard
00:48:56
to believe anything that this Chris guy says well one thing to point out that Billy might have been confrontational or
00:49:02
at least to the point of him not taking any [ __ ] from anybody would be the fact
00:49:07
that take no [ __ ] would take a little [ __ ] but we're not gonna take no [ __ ] but yeah but the
00:49:14
thing would be that he we know he left the the threatening voicemail on Chris's phone right you know we we have this
00:49:20
confirmed by his family saying yes that is his voice on that message the local newspaper and Billy's family believed
00:49:29
that having heard that message of you better watch your back at all times that after that message Billy possibly had
00:49:38
set out to do something to Chris or to at least confront Chris and that something bad had happened in that
00:49:45
process Billy's Father Bill senior said quote Billy wasn't one to start anything
00:49:50
but if someone started something with him he would finish it this time it looks like someone got the better of him
00:49:58
foreign [Music] we have so much more to get to in the search for Billy smolinski join us back
00:50:14
here in the garage tomorrow until then be good be kind and don't litter [Music] thank you