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[Music] on December 6 2022 just a few weeks ago we came out and we did a show on the Idaho College
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murders there has been a big major update in this case as most of you probably have heard and are already
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aware of Brian Christopher coburger age 28 has been arrested in connection with the
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quadruple homicide case out of Idaho University Brian Christopher coburger is a resident of Pullman Washington
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he was arrested at about 1am on Friday December 30th by the Pennsylvania State Police this is seven weeks or so after
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four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death in their beds Brian coburger was apprehended in
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albrightsville which is in northeastern the northeastern portion of Pennsylvania
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which is about 2500 miles away from the Idaho campus he will be charged with four counts of first-degree murder and
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burglary and as said he's in Pennsylvania and he will be extradited back to Idaho where he will be formally
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charged from my understanding there was supposed to be an extradition hearing tomorrow scheduled for Tuesday
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January 3rd however it sounds like Brian is waving that hearing and has agreed to
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be extradited back to Idaho so we're coming to you today not as a news show you know we're not a new
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show here in the garage we are simply here to update you on a case that we covered late last year in case it's been
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very much in the news Nationwide and if you want to go back and listen to our previous coverage that is true crime
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garage episode number 634 Captain I believe the in that episode you had predicted that there
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would likely be an arrest or or you were at least hoping for an arrest before the
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new year and here we are to say Happy New Year to each other and Happy New Years to the listeners out there then we
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have this exciting news about an arrest it's really good to see this case not dragging on like so many other tragic
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cases where we're still seeking answers well first of all we can't be a news show because they don't let two dum-dum
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heads drink beer with no pants on do the news we've asked multiple times and they've declined it every single time
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it wasn't on the show where we actually covered the case but the following between us doing a main episode a main
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True Crime garage episode and then doing our Bono show off the record between that time period law enforcement came
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out and said hey we're looking for a car and we're looking for the occupants of that car
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and again not the smartest guy in the room not even the second smartest guy in the
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garage but I do listen and what the colonel has said over and over for the last five six years law
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enforcement is very good at tracking down vehicles so once that statement was made by law
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enforcement my gut was telling me they're on to something they're on to somebody and once they find that vehicle
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they'll find the suspect now when they find Brian like you said almost 2500 miles away
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the chief of police States all that that car that we're looking for that Hyundai Elantra we believe we found
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the car not we we think we found a car that's similar no we think we found the car
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that we're looking for and we found the suspect we're looking and you're absolutely right there Captain we do so
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many of these shows so it gets a little confusing sometimes but yes we did a brief follow-up
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on off the Record about a week after putting out the episode it was by that time that we had
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learned that they were looking for a vehicle and one thing that we expressed on off the Record was our enthusiasm at
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the idea that they are so specific about the type of vehicle that they were looking for they had it narrowed down to
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within a couple years they had make and model and color and a lot of times when we cover these cases we're getting an
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eyewitness statement that is such a generic description of a vehicle that it doesn't I mean it helps in some way in
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some form or fashion but not the way that it it worked here in this case you know you take something like Delphi and
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you see that you have three different eyewitnesses giving three completely different descriptions of a vehicle that
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was in question and that doesn't really drive the investigation in any One Direction here you have the opposite
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where they were very specific about the type of vehicle that they were looking for a couple things that that tells me
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you know we we look at these cases a little differently than some other people do so we look at the cases by
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trying to examine the case itself examine the evidence itself fill in some of the
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blanks but at the same time we are also examining the investigation and there's a little bit of speculation
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and I will imagine that this will get cleared up here rather shortly especially once we get this guy back to
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Idaho but their speculation was it DNA or was it the car that led investigators to this suspect and two making an arrest
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and I've heard it reported both ways some are screaming from the mountaintops it was the DNA it was the DNA and others
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are saying it was the vehicle again we like hearing here in the garage when they're looking for a very specific
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vehicle we talked so many times about how the timeline and I know that this is the the kernel being Captain Obvious
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here but timelines are so crucial to any investigation of one thing they were able to do in this case is really narrow
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down the time of death in this investigation and therefore when we're being told by law enforcement that
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they're looking for a very specific type of vehicle that tells me that they have proof
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positive reasons to be looking for that vehicle could it just be an eyewitness I
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think it probably goes beyond that I think that they probably had some kind of digital evidence that this vehicle
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was seen going into this area around the time leading up to the murders and probably leaving the area after the
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murders were believed to have been committed so they they really narrowed down the time of death in this case and
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then we start looking for this vehicle and this is where TV art really does imitate life because if you watch shows
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like Law and Order or other dramatized fictional crime shows you will see that often they are law enforcement will be
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using programs that will really help them decipher what exact kind of vehicle that they were looking looking for so
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they could have some kind of video evidence that may show just the side of the vehicle or show the headlights of
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the vehicle and oftentimes they can make out what kind of body style we are looking for based off of the headlights
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or the tail lights and or other factors of that vehicle other details of that vehicle that's in question and so here
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we have a situation they're looking for a very specific vehicle within just a couple years because that tells me they
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they've identified the body style body styles typically run for several years and that's why they tell us hey this
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from this year to this year make and model Hyundai Elantra white this is what we're looking for yeah I agree with you
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I think it's probably some type of CCTV because once you nail down this timeline
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and you know roughly when these murders took place and the the time Gap was very
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small so it wouldn't be that hard to go to local businesses and local homeowners
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because that's one thing that law enforcement has above and Beyond years and years prior is the
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video technology that people have at their house whether it's a Simply Safe or whether
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it's a ring doorbell just think about that a couple houses on that street that have a ring doorbell that the police
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could go to and look there's a quadruple homicide in your neighborhood people were willing to come forward and
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help and give that information so as we said Brian Christopher coburger aged 28 will be charged with four counts of
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first degree murder and burglary DNA evidence played a key role in linking the murders to co-burger according to
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NBC News co-burger is listed as a PhD student in the Department of Criminal Justice and criminology at Washington
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State University which is 10 miles west and just across the state line from the University of Idaho that's something we
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noticed immediately I had never heard of the location of the quadruple homicide I
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was aware of the University of Idaho but not certain exactly where it was located
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in the great state of Idaho but very quickly when you look into that case you notice wow you go just a couple minutes
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Drive West and now you're out of Idaho and into Washington in Washington state that is this University where coburger
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was attending about 10 miles west just across the state line from the University of Idaho yeah and I think a
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lot of people in the media are making a big deal about this I I don't think it's
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that big of a deal that this guy studied criminology you're going to tell me that
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Ted Bundy Jeffrey Dahmer Ed Kemper BTK guys like that weren't experts in this field
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there were experts they were they were studying it they were studying the people before them
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I mean heck we see a lot of times in school shootings or mass killings where there's documented evidence that
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those people were studying the killers that came before them so I don't know what triggered this man to do what he
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did I think that's going to be what everybody's going to be waiting for but so many rumors coming out in in some
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that we can state or factual one chief of police said when they arrested Brian that the first thing he asked was has
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anybody else been arrested now I don't know what law enforcement knows so I don't know if they think that there
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might be another perpetrator I'm guessing the evidence at the scene of the crime would suggest yes or no on
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that that answer but obviously they can't tell us because they got to keep a lot of this information close to the
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vest but I think maybe he said something like that just to throw them off yeah I
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was going to say I think that reaction is like the least incriminating reaction that one could have and we should we do
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have to say this here Captain before we move on Brian coburger should be presumed innocent until proven otherwise
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in the court of law we are not here to deem him to be guilty in the in the court of public opinion we are going to
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review what information we have at this time being that Monday just the Monday after his arrest and I know and believe
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fully that we will get a lot more information about the investigation about the evidence against co-berger and
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what may if anything connect him to one or two or more of these victims yeah I was shared with a source that I have
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um it was a I believe a Twitter account now this could be a fake Twitter account
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but it was an account for Brian and he was following two of the victims so a lot of people were speculating that he
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was stalking these victims he and he might have been one of the things that we can state for another fact is that
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the chief of police came out and said they do not have the murder weapon yet now
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they did the search at the crime scene and they stopped the search and it was going to be cleaned they bring in a
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company to clean it all up and then they work with the property management company so then they can basically be
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done with the scene a local court for whatever reason I can't get the details on why this
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happened but a local Court contacted law enforcement and contacted the cleaning crew to stop stop cleaning the crime
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scene so we could preserve the crime scene just in case we need to go back to it so that has been stopped but Brian
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did live in student housing at his college and I know that they've been searching and taking out evidence from
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his house or his apartment uh but he did live in in student housing there a public defender and again this
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is in the state of Pennsylvania he he will be ultimately represented by somebody else but a public defender has
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said in a statement regarding Brian coburger's arrest and the waving of the extradition hearing that Mr
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coburger and I'll read it verbatim here Mr coburger is eager to be exonerated of
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these charges and looks forward to resolving these matters as promptly as possible end quote now authorities have
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not released a motive in the slangs of course they don't have to release a motive in the slangs as part of the
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investigation or even part of the arrest right they may not know the motive themselves until they can do some
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further digging and now that they got the guy or the person they believe to be responsible they can extend their
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investigation outwardly to come up with the motive and to try to figure out the why
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because they got some of the how figured out and some of the who figured out but
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it will be the why that they will want to figure out a probable cause affidavit which details supporting the arrest or
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items to support the arrest has been sealed and cannot be made public until Brian coburger is back in Idaho and is
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served with those papers in court so right that is his right to to receive those papers and his defense to receive
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those papers before the rest of us can lay eyes on them yeah a couple of interesting things here though is one of
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the rumors again if I know something is fact I'll just tell you it's fact just so you don't have to go through every
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YouTube clip and every news clip that's out there one of the things that have has been rumored is that
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at his college they had a discussion uh in the criminology Department about the murders
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which Brian they claim attended and uh participated in that discussion very strange but we
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see that time and time again where these murderers put themselves and indirectly involved into the
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investigation and I think somebody like Brian that's studying this I think probably was so fascinated with well
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what do people think and I'm sure he was following the news and I'm sure that he
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was I guarantee you when they find his computer and his cell phone that you're going to see that he was Googling
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and seeing what was reported about this case and and maybe even listened to podcasts about this case as well so for
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my understanding here Captain we have Brian coburger who is a PhD student at the University
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uh Washington State University and from my understanding he completed his first semester there early December of last
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year of 2022 prior to that he did all of his previous schooling in the state of Pennsylvania which is where he was later
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arrested so how does this all go down well he and his father made a two and a half almost three-day
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drive in that white Hyundai Elantra from Pullman Washington to where they have a house in
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Pennsylvania where Brian I'm assuming grew up and went to high school we know he went to
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attended College there I'm not certain when he would have left Washington we can narrow it down a little bit because
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we have a December 16th two sources have put him in Pennsylvania at that time him
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and his father this because they are getting the vehicle that white Hyundai Elantra serviced for I'm guessing
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regularly scheduled maintenance they just made this long almost cross-country trip in the vehicle right this would
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have been on December 16th so there are two confirmed sources that are saying that they were at this car shop getting
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the vehicle serviced in Pennsylvania on December 16th it looks to me and I have this in my notes here and I'm struggling
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to find it but if I recall correctly here Captain I believe that the last day of classes for Washington State were
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December 9th and then the following week they did have final exams so I don't know if he had to stick around for that
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again I don't know when they left but we do have law enforcement saying yes we we
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know about the father and him taking this trip the father flew in so they could drive back together Brian was
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going to be home for the holidays they don't have any reason at all to believe that that the father was involved in any
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form or fashion that they don't even believe or or at least not saying publicly that they believe that his
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parents had any idea as to what was going on at all and it's very easy to place another person in another city
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another state hundreds if not thousands of miles away so we shouldn't look at at
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the family with any suspicion in fact the family has been a little more responsive than I would have expected
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they've expressed their sorrow their grief and and their concern for the families of the victims the
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father even saying that during their drive back his son seemed perfectly normal to him that he didn't notice any
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kind of change in his son at all they are saying that we are going to stand behind and stand with our son presume
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that he is innocent until told otherwise that they are going to help in his defense
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it's been a troubling case but again this is a case that's been really under the microscope and I think maybe too
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much in my opinion because we now have the police chief the local police chief the Moscow police
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chief uh James Frye who's telling the news hey I I probably could have handled this a little bit differently there's
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public outcry and outcry from the media that law enforcement wasn't transparent enough with the public
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and with the media in this case and it's like I feel like a lot of times that law
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enforcement they're stuck and wedged in this position of damned if you do damned
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if you don't you want them to do their jobs and let's not start telling them how to do their jobs all right like if
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these if we have law enforcement officials that are outwardly committing crimes themselves or doing horrible
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things themselves or not treating people like uh with basic human decency then yes that's a problem let's get rid of
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those bad seeds but when you have a police chief a police department that did in my opinion did all of the right
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things bringing in other agencies using all of your possible resources they did keep the media involved they did keep
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the public aware of what was going on they did release certain amounts of information that that we've not seen in
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some other cases so I think that I think that this is a little bit of a knee-jerk
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reaction I think that the police chief look he's done a fantastic job on this investigation from what I can see so he
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can say whatever he wants and I'm I think that maybe where his regret May lie is that the public was terrified the
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the the locals were terrified and they were terrified for seven almost eight weeks until an arrest was made it's now
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looking like again without no knowing the motive it's now looking like that this attack
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was a little more targeted than probably what was first thought in the in the early days of this investigation well a
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couple things I'm going to agree with you a little bit and then disagree with you a little bit
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yes did they do everything right no you're never going to but their job is to find a suspect the evidence needs to
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show them the suspect they need to arrest the suspect and now there's so much more work that is going to begin we
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heard this in the Delphi case but they did their job you don't have to do it a hundred percent correctly to get the
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result that you need to get and I understand that people in that area were scared I understand that the parents
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because there were we have multiple victims and we have the parents wanting answers
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I think where you can start nitpicking what law enforcement is doing and isn't doing is when an investigation becomes
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two years on three years on five years on this was weeks these guys did one hell of a job to find this individual
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and to make an arrest now we'll see what where the case goes from here and I want
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to believe the parents of Brian my only concern is I would think that if my son was over 2 000 miles away
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studying that would just get him a plane ticket so I think this whole sense of getting the plane ticket and bringing
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the car back but like you said his father has given statements on how his son was reacting
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and or not reacting but how his son was acting in that trip and he said it was normal
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so I do want to believe them but but there is a part of me that goes isn't that a little strange Brian's parents
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could have no knowledge of any involvement of him in that crime and it could have been Brian
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manipulating his parents to get that car from Washington to Pennsylvania because
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he knows law enforcement's looking for that car well I mean we may find out otherwise but it's the way that it's
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being reported is that was a scheduled trip a scheduled Drive something that was planned before the murders took
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place right right um and again with it being his first semester who knows father son may have
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said you know it'd be cool it'd be it'd be cool to make the drive out together or uh when you when it comes time to
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return home for the holidays I'll fly out and we'll we'll drive home together and and spend the the time together so
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yeah again we may find out otherwise but from my understanding and the way it's been reported is that was a planned trip
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now does that factor into his planning of this crime right we do know that we do know that he was still in the area
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for several a couple weeks afterwards and we have classmates of his that were saying that he was pretty much the same
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during that time period and actually finding it hard to believe that he was attending class regularly he
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didn't he didn't miss school he didn't change any of his routine after the murders yeah and his neighbor
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said he didn't talk with Brian much but every time that he did run into him he seemed to be very friendly
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and very neighborly so it's it's very strange I think there's a lot of people in in Brian's life that are are shocked
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by this arrest but I think there's going to be more I I think because of the crime scene there's going to be a
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mountain of evidence but let's dive into that after a quick beer break [Music] [Music]
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thank you all right we are back happy New Year you filthy filthy filthy animals what what a
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strange case here Colonel yes and I think like you we're hinting at before the break I
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think we're going to find some potential connections from perpetrator to victim you almost always do once it's brought
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into light who the perpetrator of the crime is or was and so there is some online speculation
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we have a parent a father of one of the victims saying that that their family's starting to see one
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or two possible connections that they're not comfortable discussing yet with with the public and
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they they don't need to I mean again we don't want anything to get in the way of
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the investigation as the captain pointed out very astutely this investigation is
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ongoing even though we have an arrest what we don't have is we don't have the murder weapon we need to know more about
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this individual now that we have him in custody they want people to come forward
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they're saying look now that you have more information we need the information that you may possess tell us now that
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you know the vehicle now that you know the the person that we've arrested and who we suspect tell us more about this
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individual so we can fill in some of the blanks for our investigation and what will be the trial and the evidence
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against this guy and I just want to point out very strange that the first thing that Brian says when he's arrested
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is has anybody else been arrested yet when you go back to when they talk about the car
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they talked about the occupants being plural so it's not out of the realm of possibility that they make another
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arrest in this case I'm my gut is telling me this is is one attacker but again I'm only privy to so
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much information there was also accusation again I don't know if this is fact this
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is a rumor that I've seen online is that Brian was making some creepy and inappropriate comments to the staff and
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customers at a brewery and this um has come out in this Brewery owner has made this claim that this is a
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perfect segue here Captain because let's discuss this because we often discuss beer on the show and this is also very
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insightful regarding this suspect so let's talk about the seven Sirens Brewing Company the owner there keep in
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mind this is a Brewing Company in Pennsylvania so this these interactions are prior to
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him going off to school at Washington State okay so the the owner has come out and said look this guy used to come in
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to our Brewing Company and sit and drink beer and I'll take it directly from this
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article here I believe this is from NBC news or CNN one of the two there's so many people reporting on this lots of
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good reporting on this case so far the owner says co-burger came into his Brewery a few times and female staff
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would often complain about his behavior the owner says look we are located in a college town
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and it's not unusual for them to get unusual characters but Brian coburger was memorable from some interactions he
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had with female patrons and staff he says co-burger often came in by himself sat at the bar and he would be quote
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observing and watching the staff there at this Brewery scans everyone's IDs when they come in and so they have a
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system that when you scan someone's ID that information goes into their system and then they can add notes about a
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patron in a pop-up if you added notes about somebody right then next time they come in when you
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swipe their ID scan their ID those old notes are going to pop up right so he's saying that
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this is not just things that were observed but they were recorded and so he can go back and look at this and say
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yes on a couple of occasions we had this happen here and he gives us a kind of a
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vague description here saying that the staff put in some notes on this guy saying that he makes creepy comments and
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to keep an eye on him saying that he would have two or three beers and then just get a little too comfortable I'm
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guessing he means a little too comfortable with the staff or with other patrons there it says that coburger
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would ask the female staff or customers who they were at the brewery with are you here with anybody if so who are you
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here with also asking them where they lived he said that if women blew him off co-burger would get upset with them and
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even noting one time that coburger called one of the staff members a [ __ ] when she refused to answer his questions
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again it's stated in this article these interactions were months ago when co-burger was a student at de Sales and
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he says that during a final interaction the owner approached Brian coburger saying I went up to him and I said hey
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Brian welcome back we appreciate you coming back I just wanted to talk to you real quick and make sure that you're
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going to be respectful this time and we're not going to have any issues he says that coburger look taken aback when
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he was approached he was shocked and said that he didn't know what the owner was talking about saying you must have
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me confused with somebody else of course he finished his beer he left and he never came back that is so incredibly
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typical of these types and I'm not trying to lump everybody in in together here here but when when you see a type
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that is standoffish and and weird with female patrons and staff and then when they're called out by a
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male on it they usually tuck their tail and and hide or leave and that's what we
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saw him do here maybe maybe he wasn't intimidated maybe it was nothing like that he was just called out and felt
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embarrassed and decided to leave but usually that's the situation where you see a male bullying
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female staff or customers and then when when the issue was brought up by a male they'll typically
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they'll typically duck and run yeah because Brian in this case is is Brian doucheberger
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and bars should implement this and keep notes on their patrons because women should be able to go to a bar or a
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brewery and feel comfortable and so right on for this Brewery to have this system and write on that this guy just
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didn't let the guy come in and harass more customers and you're absolutely right every bar should have the system I
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know that old school bars typically have a bar book you don't necessarily want your name or an incident that you were
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involved in to make it to the bar book which was less formal it's more of the bartender or somebody writing down what
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took place and they may not have all of your pertinent information like in this system in in this new system very
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up-to-date system where they can scan your ID so they know who your name is as long as you're not using a a fake ID
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they know who exactly you are because anybody one of my one of my favorite things to do for relaxing purposes is to
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watch a ball game in a bar or watch a portion of a ball game in a bar so I'm in bars much more frequently than most
00:35:07
people I would guess but anyone that I go to you usually have you can have situations where you're like yeah that
00:35:15
dude he's a problem and when he comes in here he just always seems to be a problem and
00:35:21
sometimes you you witness the situation he's removed from the situation and then
00:35:26
you say to the bartender like yeah I don't know why you guys let that guy in here he's always a problem and they go
00:35:32
well I I have no way of knowing I'm new here or I only work Thursdays I've never
00:35:37
seen that guy before so this is a great setup this is a great system to have even for for situations that that I just
00:35:47
described as far as coburger goes there is a student a fellow classmate of his at
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Washington State University it's reported that his name is BK Norton he told NBC news that he first met Brian
00:36:06
coburger in August of last year at Studio at student orientation excuse me he said they took classes together that
00:36:16
past semester he said we didn't work on any projects together but we spent extensive time
00:36:22
together because our courses were very long Norton goes on to say that coburger seemed odd from the beginning but he and
00:36:30
the other students just thought that it was because coburger was awkward in nature but he goes on to say quote I am
00:36:37
in complete shock over this murder because he continued to attend classes and continued on like nothing had
00:36:45
happened I still can't wrap my head around it Norton said he did attend classes up until the end of the semester
00:36:52
and seemed more upbeat honestly when discussed in class Brian did not mention or contribute to the conversation of the
00:37:01
murders We Were released from class early after the murders to get home when it was still light out and Brian was in
00:37:09
those classes with us did you see the report of one of I believe it was a friend of well I don't know if you want
00:37:19
to call my friend but at least associate of Brian's that would go running at night with Brian did you see that news I
00:37:27
did not yeah it was just it was like my guess is that media was driving all around Pennsylvania and because they
00:37:37
kept on reporting that Brian was arrested in Scranton and so they were going around to the gas stations and
00:37:44
there was just this kid that they probably were sitting at the gas station asking people did you did you know this
00:37:49
guy and this guy goes yeah I used to run and so because of this kid's schedule he would
00:37:57
typically run late at night and Brian would normally go with him and they would go on these five seven mile runs
00:38:05
so very long runs now you you're normally not having long conversations with somebody you're
00:38:12
just having a running partner but I guarantee you that guy's a little creeped out now but here's what we do
00:38:19
know they arrested this Brian doucheberger right they have his DNA now I wouldn't be surprised
00:38:30
if he's connected to other crimes he's 28 years old and to me if he has these urges like a lot of
00:38:41
these serial killers talk about having then these are urges that he's probably been dealing with for over 10 years so
00:38:49
what I wouldn't put it past him that he's not connected to other crimes and that they would be able to figure
00:38:56
that out because if if I'm law enforcement that's one of the things I'm I'm doing
00:39:02
I'm running this DNA through the system well and sometimes these guys will practice breaking into homes one thing
00:39:11
that we're seeing coming out is that his survey or some of his his work that he was doing
00:39:21
toward his degree in in criminology and what he was studying was asking criminals won their thoughts and
00:39:30
feelings on on the crimes they committed what they were thinking and feeling when
00:39:34
and when committing those crimes how did you enter the place how did you flee the place you
00:39:41
know a lot of questions like that so A lot of times we know that these guys will practice by breaking into homes and
00:39:49
usually that starts with peeping Tom type activities right spying on people one thing I'm a little curious about and
00:39:58
and so the the big the big hurdle that I have had in trying to wrap my head around this case from day one was the
00:40:07
situation of six people in the home four are killed in the middle of the night and then the killer or Killers flee
00:40:16
without attacking and killing the other two persons that were in the home I'm having less trouble ramping my head
00:40:23
around that now since the last time we spoke I was able to get 3D pictures of the home you know so not
00:40:32
just not just the front of the house or the side of the house but to see all four sides from different angles right
00:40:40
and after looking at the layout of the house it to me comes becomes very clear and that's what makes me believe that
00:40:50
I wonder how much if at all he was watching this house or these victims in advance because if you look at the the
00:41:00
layout of this home it's three floors but if you were to enter the home from the back which there's a sliding glass
00:41:08
door if you were to enter from the back you would come in on the second floor right
00:41:13
you may not know I don't know where the steps are to the lower level which would be the ground level from the
00:41:20
front of the house I don't know where the steps are I don't know that anybody would think that that somebody would be
00:41:26
sleeping down there and we know that the victims that were killed were on the second floor in the third floor and from
00:41:34
my understanding the two victims that survived that were not attacked at all were on that first level
00:41:40
and so if he came in and entered the home through the back and went straight into the second floor he may have only
00:41:48
attacked and killed the people that he saw which would have been checking the third
00:41:53
floor in the floor that he was on and then leaving the area the the other thing too is again it's we need to close
00:42:01
the gap between perpetrator and victim it's going to be very difficult to believe that this was just completely
00:42:09
totally random well no and I think when you look at the food truck video footage
00:42:14
which I know there's a there's video footage out there where there's no audio but two of the victims basically are
00:42:21
getting into a a little tiff is what I'd call it it's definitely possible at a party or at a bar
00:42:29
that Brian was doing the same thing he was doing in Pennsylvania and he's harassing people and these ladies stuck
00:42:36
up for themselves they maybe gave him the business and that could be as simple as it is and
00:42:43
from maybe that moment on this guy decides well I'm gonna get the last I'm going to get the last word in this and
00:42:52
unfortunately depending on how fragile the trigger for this dude is it could be as simple as a brush off
00:43:00
they happened that same night so yeah we need to start teaching men to stop being so fragile you know if a girl
00:43:08
rejects you it's okay and and if there's a reason she rejects you then instead of being some turd bag
00:43:16
go home and work on it become a higher value person and also when you are a higher value person and somebody rejects
00:43:24
you that's on them and not on you this is something that is just not talked about enough with these School shooters
00:43:32
with these serial killers the majority of them the high percentage is male so what are we not doing correctly in
00:43:40
raising these individuals I I I don't get it but without getting all scientific here unfortunately it's it's
00:43:47
in the DNA of males much more so than than females and and I mean you're right in everything you just said but I don't
00:43:56
think that we need to educate and have a a sit down with all males because describing his actions
00:44:05
and hearing them described and reading them from the the owner of the brewery though that's not the normal actions in
00:44:14
normal interactions that most men or males are going to be having with staff or customers out of place that's
00:44:23
not normal is what I'm saying like uh and and clear and thank God that it's not because yeah but it happening just
00:44:31
once is one too many times if if it were more Norm normal we would see a much more higher percentage of these types of
00:44:39
of crimes so again it's going to be interesting to see how this investigation unfolds it's
00:44:47
going to be interesting to see how that he is connected to one of the victims or
00:44:53
more of the victims again like the captain pointed out earlier law enforcement is still saying we want
00:45:00
information from the public we want information on that individual meaning Brian coburger
00:45:07
the the police chief his exact statement was we want that updated information so
00:45:12
that we can start building that picture now every tip matters they want to fill in some of the blanks they want to learn
00:45:18
as much that they can about Brian coburger especially before this thing goes to trial he does say that they have
00:45:26
received roughly about 400 calls very shortly after Brian coburger's arrest was announced so it sounds like
00:45:34
information might be pouring in or at least was last Friday let's hope that the public continues to help the police
00:45:42
and law enforcement in that area again the murder weapon has not been located and a lot of these a lot of this
00:45:51
information still needs to be figured out you mentioned DNA they did say that they recovered Brian coburger's DNA from
00:45:58
a piece of material inside the home inside inside the murder house the debate if you will I don't really see
00:46:07
anybody debating it but I see different reports coming out some people saying that it was the DNA that led them to
00:46:13
Brian coburger some people saying that it was the vehicle that led them to Brian coburger it may just be it may be
00:46:19
simple as that it's both the thing with them going back in and examining the crime scene an additional Time Captain
00:46:28
saying and other people saying that they were definitely looking for something maybe something even specific I think
00:46:34
personally I think it was probably just a double check kind of situation or you have a situation like this
00:46:43
we know that they release this vehicle so they they're not going to release details or information so specific like
00:46:51
they did with this vehicle unless it was incredibly important to their investigation and they had a reason to
00:46:56
believe that that vehicle was of great importance to their investigation now we know that the house
00:47:05
had had several House Parties you would expect that on a college campus so there was probably a lot of DNA a lot
00:47:13
of forensics inside that home that is can be tied to people that are friends of the victims that had nothing to do
00:47:20
with this crime or these Murders At All could Brian have been in attendance at a
00:47:26
party previously possibly did he know one of the victims or more of the victims had he been in the home before
00:47:31
possibly we're not seeing that in the news currently you may just have a situation of going okay we're looking
00:47:38
for a white 2011 2012 or 2013 Hyundai Elantra that we believe was in the immediate area these are their words of
00:47:48
the crime scene around the time of the killings okay punch that information into our computers here and we're
00:47:55
pulling up that we have a thousand or two thousand or 2500 people that own a vehicle that fits that General
00:48:02
description within a 30 mile 100 mile 150 mile radius of the crime scene what you would
00:48:11
start to do with that information if you believe that that information is Paramount to your case which I believe
00:48:17
that they did and that and that's why they released that information to the public
00:48:21
I believe that they would have taken that information and you do it's as simple as this
00:48:27
the guy or the girl that owns an 11 12 or 13 white Hyundai Elantra closest to the crime scene
00:48:38
we knocking on your door and then the next closest one we're knocking on your door and so on yeah
00:48:44
we're all up in your [ __ ] it goes outwardly from there and then Factor this in now maybe it took us a
00:48:51
while to get onto this white vehicle which we know that it did or at least for them to release that information to
00:48:57
the public but if it takes us a while to get onto this vehicle okay now we have that
00:49:02
breadcrumb now we have that lead that we've been looking for and we think it's a good one right we need to go to that
00:49:08
crime scene one more time and collect as much forensics hair fibers DNA anything
00:49:15
that we can because now if we can put if we can make a spreadsheet and there are two check marks next to
00:49:23
your name and one of those check marks tells us that your DNA was found inside that home
00:49:30
and you're an owner of a 11 12 13 white Hyundai Elantra you just became Prime Suspect number one
00:49:39
you've just moved yourself from the big list to the very short list yeah that's the you might be a piece of [ __ ] list to
00:49:46
you probably use a piece of [ __ ] list so you have some people saying that they
00:49:52
they did genealogy detective work yeah his DNA and they connected it to his parents or to his family tree and then
00:50:03
they put two and two together and they went and got them here's the thing I actually think that DNA absolutely
00:50:10
played a role in this however I think the car was more of the vital chess piece here in this investigation I think
00:50:18
that they figured out that only X number of people own that type of vehicle within they said he lived within 10 to
00:50:25
15 minutes of the crime scene yeah you start with the small mile radius from the crime
00:50:32
scene and that puts you on a short a shorter list of these vehicle owners they had from my understanding FBI and
00:50:42
local law enforcement in in Pennsylvania tail in this dude and surveilling him and his parents for several days before
00:50:51
they arrested him I believe as many as four or five days before they arrested him so they were on to him well before
00:50:58
the 30th there's a chance that they could have been looking during that time period of surveilling
00:51:05
him and collecting items that they were hoping to find his DNA on for comparison
00:51:11
purposes because that crime scene is going to be contaminated for any number of reasons
00:51:19
one just the fact that it was a party house or known to to house parties on several occasions with many
00:51:28
people in and out of that house so just to address a couple emails I got from close friends and sources
00:51:35
of the show there was some rumors that like I said before that Brian might have been
00:51:42
whether he was trolling around and looking for information about the case and what people were were knowing and
00:51:48
what they weren't knowing and people have stated that oh maybe he was on Reddit doing some stuff and there was
00:51:54
some rumors that that maybe he even left comments on our Blog Page look there is
00:52:00
no evidence of that I went back through our blog now you can make up whatever name you want and state whatever
00:52:09
location you're in to leave a comment on our blog but there's nothing there's no comment that sticks out to me
00:52:18
as strange or somebody that's like trying to um get attention by doing that so I got
00:52:26
a couple emails a couple texts text messages from people saying hey I heard this rumor online that maybe he visited
00:52:33
your guys's blog or website now I did go back and do a search a location search and obviously we covered this case so
00:52:42
there's going to be some people from that area and that town that went and visited our website that
00:52:50
that is fact and there's some people from this Scranton PA area that visit our website within the
00:52:57
last few weeks there is no evidence that Brian went to our website so if you're seeing that
00:53:04
rumor online just know I don't think there's any I I can't find any evidence of that and I don't know why it would
00:53:12
matter anyways and as far as finding the suspect again it could be as simple as you're reviewing the crime scene
00:53:21
and we have and these 10 these tests take some time to run too and one thing that we had
00:53:29
suggested in December when we covered this we were we were enthusiastic about it on
00:53:36
off the Record when we heard that they were very specific about what type of vehicle they were looking for even
00:53:41
before when we had almost no details at all other than the fact knowing that there were four that were stabbed to
00:53:48
death and the attacks likely occurred while they were sleeping one thing that we had pointed out there too is that
00:53:56
unfortunately then there's no nice polite and subtle way of describing this but just picture that stabbing motion
00:54:06
and picture where the victim would be in relationship to the Killer that stabbing motion it's very common
00:54:14
especially after one or two are delivered that that weapon becomes wet it becomes wet in the hand that is
00:54:24
that is driving the knife can slip very easily and it's extremely common that these types of attackers using this type
00:54:33
of weapon cut themselves and leave their blood at the scene and if you are a detective if you are doing the forensic
00:54:42
work and you quickly can figure out that there's five different kinds of blood here at this
00:54:50
scene and we have four victims well then that fifth set of blood obviously the most
00:54:56
likely scenario is that it came from the Killer and it could be as simple as they
00:55:02
tested that they found that blood they tested it they double checked it and that is what led them to Brian coburger
00:55:09
it's going to be interesting to find out more of the details as they come out in
00:55:13
this case again kudos to law enforcement and our thoughts and prayers remain with
00:55:19
the families of the victims but let's not forget the victims Kaylee Madison Zana and Ethan
00:55:27
their families have lost a lot their friends have lost a lot that Community has lost a lot this is probably just the
00:55:34
beginning of the beginning they got a long way to go more information will probably be coming
00:55:40
out uh I don't I don't think we plan on uncovering every little detail that comes out about this case but uh we
00:55:49
thought because we covered it before and there was arrest made that we should bring that to everybody's attention
00:55:56
that's part of our job that we appreciate you supporting us and let us have this job
00:56:03
if it wasn't for you guys we would would be nothing other than two drunk guys with their
00:56:09
pants off in a garage all right Colonel until next time be good be kind and don't live
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