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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] the whole crowd is cheering cuz the
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Browns didn't lose I mean they didn't win but they didn't lose look at all the beautiful people in the crowd that's a
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ah big shout out to the people in the back actually half the crowd left because when they got down by two scores
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people were like yeah well same old Browns and they took off to their cars I was at a Browns party and you left no
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but I would say let's say 20% of the people were like y this game's over and gave it one of those and very angrily
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walked out of the place time to go cut the grass so what are we talking about today Capone well well I I mentioned a
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while ago that there was a a new theory that one of my buddies was working on as
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far as the West Memphis 3 case okay and I've been putting off talking about it for a while
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because that said buddy showed me some information I thought it was very fascinating m i mean
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it's one thing to have a theory it's another thing when you actually have police reports or interview statements
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that back up that Theory and I wanted him to run with this Theory the problem is and I wish I knew how it worked
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because West Memphis 3 is a case that is very um it's one of your pet cases one of my pet cases I I want to I wish I
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knew how it worked though because you meet all these awesome True Crime people and everybody has their own
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cases and and this is not one of his this is one that he's looked into a little bit he's listened to some
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podcasts about it watched some documentaries about it but it's not his cup of tea for whatever reason okay so
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he didn't really dive into the few of the details that you may have asked him to do so yeah cuz I thought hey he's
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going down this Rabbit Hole keep going down the rabbit hole and and get back with me cuz one work covering a new case
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every week so it's kind of hard to take a couple days to dive into another case that we've already covered mhm so he
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comes to you and says hey this is an idea I have I was kind of looking at the West Memphis 3 case this is an idea I
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had I'll tell you how it kind of works for me and I get what you're saying there
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because sometimes to do the the research end and to try to chase a lead that maybe you created yourself uh that you
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may have stumbled upon yourself it can be it's quite the chore and so if you're not fascinated by the case if you're not
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really into it let's say yeah you can easily find yourself where you're like well I'm I'm bored or I'm not finding
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anything there's nothing to find here uh you can give up hope and turn the ship around pretty quickly if it's if it's a
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case that you're just not into if it's one that you are majorly into is completely the opposite I've seen people
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become obsessed you know and there's movies out there and books out there about individuals falling in love with a
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case and and they're almost alienated from their families because they alienated them in the process of
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becoming so obsessed with with a case and actually we see that in the uh uh Robert Grey Smith is a great example the
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guy that wrote the zodiac book right um I mean he almost I don't know if he ended up getting a divorce or if it came
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pretty darn close but why did you get a divorce why are we here today the Zodiac
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I'm another victim of the zodiac he grey Smith turned into like this almost uh Howard Hughes type that kind of locked
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himself in his apartment and he was surrounded by stacks of paper of his own work and research on the Zodiac case I
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love Howard Hughes so you have somebody that presented a possible Theory or some
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some an outside of the box Theory let's say I don't know much about this but what I do know and what fascinates me
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about it is when I look at some of these bigger cases and what I mean by bigger cases is cases that it's easy uh to find
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a mountain or let's even say mountains of of information out there you know Jack the Ripper uh West Memphis 3 uh
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Jean Benet Ted Bundy Jean banet and so West Memphis 3 there is just a wealth of knowledge and information
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read and well the actual records too yeah the Callahan correct was it called um the Callahan website yeah that's the
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best way to refer to it um the thing here is though what I love about these big cases I kind of have this this
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thought as to suspects and I generalize them into three different categories one
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we have known suspects and what I mean by known suspects are people that are are regularly known to the case so in
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the west Memphis 3 case we would have obviously the three teenagers that were convicted and then later released as
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well as their parents and people close to the three victims okay yeah and then we also have the unknown victims okay
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I'm sorry the unknown suspects right so that would be persons that are say you're you're going down a crazy Rabbit
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Hole there's unknown victims oh um this would also be people that are just not known at all okay and whether that be by
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name or or likeness or anything like that they're just not known to us the people that follow the case the people
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that have looked into it the armchair detectives this would be the unknown suspect and then you have a group that
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falls right in the middle between the two you have people that are known to the case but not generally known not to
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the general public not to everybody only to people that really Dove deep into the
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case but their likeness or names are known to people that have spent the time to follow through in this the thing that
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I like about what little I've heard about this theory that I find fascinating is it kind of It kind of
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pulls a person from each one of those categories to kind of tell this story of the theory that you're about to tell us
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right so I don't know what the best way to break this down is because I haven't really thought about it too much but I
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always thought that there was one person in this case that didn't make any sense
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um a lot of times when you hear there there's certain things that uh you know maybe Daman would say or or
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Jason Baldwin would say definitely things that Jess Jesse mkelly said that you just thought
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what the hell is that all about and then a lot of weird stuff with the detectives and then we've had this we
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went from these three boys are guilty the West Memphis 3 being guilty to their innocent to maybe this step stepfather
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was the murderer maybe this other stepfather was the murderer a bunch of different theories
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um I think there's probably something in the middle but there was one character to me and the story that never made any
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sense to me uh and that's Vicky Hutchinson mhm now a lot of people will and I think when I first brought up this
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Theory to you off off the Record mhm you said well yeah she's in the police department and she has these charges so
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Vick Vicky Hutchinson was I can't remember exactly what the charges were but she had like some bounc
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checks or something so she I actually think that she had bounced some checks before this charge but what she was
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facing on this occasion was she worked at a gas station in the west Memphis Area okay I believe it was West Memphis
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that's not important she worked at a gas station and what they found was several
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of the customers were calling the gas station and saying hey look I'm getting charges to my credit card for things I
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didn't purchase for for you know Services I didn't use and it's getting charged to me from your gas station well
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she was like a cashier sales clerk whatever you want to call them uh she worked there she would get this
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information and then she was ultimately taking people's credit card information and running it probably to buy things
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for herself right now these would be small items because it' just be a convenience store so we're not talking
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about a lot of money no we're not talking about a lot of money but we may be talking about a lot of transactions
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that could add up to a lot of money in the long run uh the thing here is the way that this works is the owners of the
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gas station they were able to say hey when Vicky Hutchinson's working that's when these transactions are taking place
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so therefore she must be the one that is illegally running these credit cards and
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so they had her charged with such and on the day of the discovery of the bodies of the three 8-year-old victim in West
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Memphis mhm she's sitting in a police officer's I believe it was a detective she's sitting in his office and they're
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talking about these credit card charges yeah so she was she was charged with these and then she started talking the
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day that the boys are found and that's kind of where the story you know kind of stops there well it doesn't stop there
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but it's like well then VI Vicky hudgin and started talking to the cops and then
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she started giving them information and then she said hey I I know Jesse Miss Kelly so maybe I could get in good with
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Damian again this is the day that they're found right the day that they're found somebody is bringing up Damen
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eckl's name so again you can sit there and say he said some goofy you know Damen eeko said some goofy [ __ ] out a
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baseball game or softball game or whatever the day that the boys were found they went missing one day they're
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found the next day mhm so she's bringing up all this stuff and and then she kind of she has
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some statements but she never makes it to trial I don't think she ever becomes an eyewitness in the actual trial but
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what I was watching the other day and I've watched it several times in the last few months but it's her son and
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it's his uh confession tapes basically right now he claims to this day that he doesn't remember for
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anything and basically everything that he was telling the cops back then was a lie that's roughly his statement right
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now these are very detailed accounts but also the cops are leading him constantly but he definitely knows some
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stuff so here's where it starts out Vicky Hutchinson seized all the boys after school so she's a eyewitness of
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seeing all four of the boys right I'm going to say four because her son was there okay and the whole thing was that
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they wanted for her son to go to to hang out with them because of a Boy Scout um meeting that day okay now Boy
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Scout meetings normally happen on a Wednesday it was not a Wednesday so therefore she's like no there's no Boy
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Scout thing mhm and I believe Michael Moore's father was the uh the the leader the den leader or whatever they call it
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he was involved in some form I don't I don't know if he was in fact the leader but right so what we but what we do know
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is he is he's absent on this day he's gone he's off driving he drove a Long Haul truck and he was out of town
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working on that day so there there is some reason now it could just be to play or whatever doesn't have to be Sinister
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but what I'm saying is there's some reason that these eighty year eight-year-old boys are trying to get
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their friend to come play with them and when that's not working right mhm they then say can he
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come play for the next couple hours and and she says I mean that she says so in this statement so let me try
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to find the statement so um so where in the course of that night or that afternoon are we talking about
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this is right after school so Vicki says in her statement I was waiting where the
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teachers park on the side of Weaver Elementary and watching for Aaron it was approximately 15 after 3 and Michael
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Moore came up to one side of my truck and Christopher buyers to the other and Aaron um you know um close to them and
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they had uh they were were telling me um Miss Vicki there's a Cub Scout thing tonight and Aaron needs to go to
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Michael's father's um their troop leader and um you know um Michael was really um insistent on Aaron G and they
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kept saying that there was a Cub Scout thing right and then she says [Music] um and so she said no this is um she
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said no this is Wednesday night Cub Scouts are tomorrow okay so Cub Scouts were Thursday it's Wednesday night and
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they kept going on finally you know they got it through um they figured out that
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he wasn't going to be able to go so then they wanted him to go play and he said well then can Aaron come to my house and
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you can pick him up in 2 hours which she had done frequently so she thinks that he assumed assum that by changing the
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story that would get her to say yes okay so I think one of the things that people
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are missing when they're researching this Cas is there was obviously something going on now what that is I'm
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not for sure of and I don't think any of us know what it was is it possible that
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these boys were supposed to meet somebody in Robin Hood Hills yes 100% possible so
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what's interesting to me is she tells Aaron you're not going and she tells the cops I took Aaron back to her house and
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then Aaron tells her I'm going to run over to my grandpa's house or Uncle's house or whoever's house mhm he doesn't
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he goes over and hangs out with Mike uh Michael Moore Christopher buers right now there's multiple eyewitnesses if you
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look through the reports there's multiple eyewitnesses that see one boy on a bike see two boys on a bike see
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three boys on a bike and there's multiple eyewitnesses that see four boys on the bike mhm now where would that
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fourth boy be that would be Aaron her son right mhm so and and based off of her reports guess where her son was over
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hanging out with Mike Michael Moore Christopher buers so this becomes to me something
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more that we have to look at when did he leave when did he get picked up now we have a police report that
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states now let me pull this up again sorry but we have a police report that states at
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6:33 I believe this is when the call is received that on North 14th there's a blue Toyota with no license plate
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and I cannot read what it says it looks like a lbl LM and I don't know what that stands for
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mhm so roughly about 6:30 and if anybody knows anything about this timeline this is roughly around the
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times that possibly the boys are murdered roughly around that time right could be yes so we have this blue Toyota
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and and talking with my buddy this blue Toyota was seen now that's North 14th Street this is in the
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neighborhood of Michael Moore Christopher buers mhm and it's driving erratically and now what's becomes
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interesting now it doesn't State what it is other than it's a blue Toyota so later on if you go through Vicky
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Hutchinson's interview it says Ridge ask her do you have a vehicle um do you have
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a vehicle of your own Vicki says yes I do Ridge says what kind she says a 77 Toyota pickup
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blue so I don't know if it's her driving around what I heard from my buddy that was diving into it this police reporter
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this call log about the blue Toyota in the neighborhood they claim it was driven by a black man okay now there's
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conflicting stories that at the time of the murders Vicky did not have a boyfriend then there's other stories
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that state that she did and I've been trying to find that again with minimal time and minimal effort to look into
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this idea is it possible that she was dating a man that was sent to pick up her son and did something go down and was he
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involved in in some way or who's this guy in this blue pickup anyways driving a radically
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through the neighborhood right you know if you're driving away from a scene and you're maybe covered in blood
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are you driving are you driving away erratically and then do you end up at the you know Mr Bojangle
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and uh covered in blood in the female's bathroom so that's kind of the idea but where it gets more interesting
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is if you listen to the interviews with her son Aaron in the police station and there again there's some
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conflicting reports here but she goes in to talk about some checks or some sorry
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not checks she goes in to talk about some credit card charges and I can't confirm this yet but
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I believe that Aaron Hutchinson is the one that led the you because the boys weren't found till after this
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meeting and I believe that Aaron LED them to because Aaron was with her the day mhm you know so uh again I believe this
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would have been he would have not been in school based off the time of the meeting with
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the police officer right so he's so for whatever reason his three buddies two of his best
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friends go missing the next day he's not in school the next day he's in the police station the next day his mom is
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talking about these credit card charges the next day he is leading the authorities to the area maybe not to the
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exact spot because we know how that worked what we do know is that they were searching a lot in front of the what is
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that called um there's like a tunnel or a tube or there's a someip there's a pipe that goes over the water and they
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and they weren't really searching past the pipe and from these reports it makes it seem that Aaron Hutchinson is the one
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that told law enforcement you need to search past the pipes because that's where we'd hang out that's where our
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clubhouse was that's uh where we'd be hanging out all the time and then they go back there and then they see the Shi
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floating and that's how they find the boys and then if you listen to his his statements again these are doctor these
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are this is the law enforcement leading this 8-year-old uh to try to get details on
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these three murders of these three boys again I'd argue with anybody that says that these three boys are
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guilty Damen Eckles Jason um Jesse Miss Kelly uh Jason Baldwin if those three boys are guilty then we'd have some
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eyewitnesses that saw all three of them together at some point mhm and there is none that I can find that state that
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these three boys were even together now the ones that think they're guilty don't get your panties in a bunch cuz
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that doesn't mean that all three of them did it if that makes any sense but we have no eyewitness that saw all three of
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those boys together so that's kind of the rabbit hole and I'm kind of putting it out there for anybody that's
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interested in this case to start possibly going down this Rabbit Hole mhm because what the the questions I have
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and what I had for my buddy was is there a statement we have a lot of police reports and a lot of
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interviews and a lot of pages of Vicky Hutchinson's interviews does it State anywhere who she was was dating mhm and
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and was that man a white man or was that a black man and then this report about the uh the blue Toyota in the
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neighborhood was it a pickup truck was it a car was it who was driving it right because that's that's another thing that
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I'm very unclear on so that that's where I'm kind of at with it but I kind of wanted to just toss it out to the
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universe and and there's a lot there's a lot smarter people that could dive into
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this and and get answers well I I like this for several reasons and just so we're clear you're not saying hey this
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is this is my theory this is a hard and fast Theory I'm I'm sticking to it this is a hey this is what's been presented
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to me yes it's a bit flimsy are there some holes of course can anybody provide information that helps this Theory along
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or that shoots it down yeah and what I am claiming is I mean oh when did when did Paradise loss come
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out um I don't know off hand okay but 94 I think okay but after the after a couple
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of the documentaries and a couple times of looking into this case I'm telling you from the beginning there was
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something in my body that just told me Vicky Hutchinson not saying she's a murderer what I'm saying is there's
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something definitely not right here okay and and we know we know that the police okay look the police interviewed
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her interviewed her son and they used none of this during the trial right none of it and when you
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listen to her boy talk it's like to me that oh well you know that's your Smoking Gun if you're the you if you
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have Jesse Miss Kelly confessing and that's what you're going to use against Jason and
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Daman then this is this is your backup MH and the cops knew there was something not right about this either they knew
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that they were writing the story and they didn't want to try to get busted like oh man this we want to see how good
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this kid is under pressure ah he's not so good so we can't have him lie for us M and man there's a bunch of holes in
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this Vicky Hutchinson right because well she did this thing with the checks and then she
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did this thing with the credit cards and so she's a thief and now we caught her in some more lies and
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we can't put her on the stand either you know and then she comes out later saying that everything she said
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was a lie right why are you lying why are you getting involved anyways mhm and again I've always dismissed it because
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every time I bring her up I get the same story while she was there on credit card
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charges and so the reason you know that's why she got involved because if she told the cops anything then maybe
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she get out of these charges one I don't think the charges would be much that's another thing was she ever charged with
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the credit card charges because they didn't use her testimony they didn't use any of her information in the trial so
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did she get not charged with those credit card fraud charges so okay so here's some
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information going off of memory here um regarding Vicki and the charges the credit card charges it's my
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understanding that she was there to discuss making the charges go away and the reason being was I think we have a
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situation where the people she worked for at the gas station while they didn't trust her to work there any longer and
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they wanted her fired you know they fired her from there and they threatened her with
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charges I think they were in because they were the ones that brought the charges against her I think they were
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solely in charge of if these charges get brought to trial and I think what went down is is they told the police hey if
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we could get her to apologize to our customers and repay all the money that she stole from them we won't maybe we
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shouldn't we shouldn't uh pursue these charges uh law enforcement because she's a young single mother and we feel bad
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for her on some level and keep in mind this is 1993 things did work that way back then uh especially in small smaller
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communities yeah things still work that way right so so my understanding is she's there already with the idea that
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there's a possibility that she can make these charges go away if she's cooperative and and works with the
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police right which makes it even weirder that she's involved in this case well I
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the the thing here is I wonder if it there was a bit of a Snowball Effect and I wonder that Vicki's just not a very
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trustworthy person and I think that we may have had something that started off as a small tiny little seed it gets
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planted and then it grew into a huge abnorm enormous ugly tree is what it turned into because for whatever reason
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her son is there with her during the course of this meeting I don't know the I don't know offhand the exact time of
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the meeting but it was the day that the kids were the victims were discovered MH
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and she provides information and it's very short little information to the detectives that she's speaking with and
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she says look my boy knew those boys maybe he could help you and the way that this conversation starts off is well
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okay he's the same age he goes to school with some of them okay let's talk to him
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right but right again though again the way it's presented is just like you said he's the same age he goes to school with
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him like she's crazy for one because the conversation should have been yeah they
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went missing after school they at what point are there are are people all out and about searching for them we're only
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talking about a few hours the boys that went missing were basically begging her or coming up with a Lie About a Boy
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Scout meeting so their son you know her son could come over mhm now maybe that's
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[ __ ] who knows but but I I don't think it's [ __ ] and so when they're talking to again
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that that's the that's what you should be saying my my son is best friends with these boys right maybe he can help you
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he used to go play with them mhm but when the boy then says oh no no you got to go back here and look for
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him and he States more things and and I need to find that report again so I could bring up what he said
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but like I said it it basically points to the idea that he that Aaron Hutchinson LED law enforcement to the
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area that the boys would be found well well possibly I think we're I think you and I are remembering this differently
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because the way I remember it is that they have this sitdown meeting um Aaron and uh her mother mother I'm sorry Vicky
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to discuss these charges and at some point during the course of this meeting it's brought up that Aaron is good
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friends with some of the missing kids right and they talk and they talk kind of at length this is not a short meeting
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but it's my understanding that by the end of the meeting now maybe we're missing a lot of things maybe that we're
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not told a lot of things for good reason but it's my understanding that the detective interviewing Vicki did not
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real because he was in a closed door meeting did not realize that during the course of that meeting the boys had been
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found he's notified at the end of this meeting that said hey we found those three boys they're dead in Robin Hood
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Hills MH and that's the way I remember it so if it if it did go down that way and if we do know everything about that
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meeting then Aaron didn't lead the police to the bodies and if he did tell them anything that might provide them
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information to find the victims it didn't come out until after the victims were found that this detective didn't
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relay this information to anybody until after he was aware that they were found right if that's how it went down correct
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but I mean and that's kind of what has been told and that's kind of what we're led to believe for so long and like I
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said the the the things that I was reading again could be wrong but it leads me to believe that that
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Aaron is the is the reason why they they search further back again why is he out
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of school yeah that's that's weird I didn't think about that till you said that today if if the meeting took place when
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when I think that it did he would have been out of school that day and I don't know I don't know why that would have
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been well it's cuz he was with them that that's why and then the other thing that
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I can't wrap my head around is she I don't I can't remember off the top of my head if Aaron her son was supposed to be
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at her grandpa's or if he was going to go to his uncles or something right it was a place that he'd go to a lot but
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for whatever reason you wouldn't let him go play with his friends but you're going to let him go to his grandpa's or
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whatever mhm and when she claims at some point she starts looking for him right can't find my son and then I
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start calling or maybe he left and didn't tell anybody and and when he came back or
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whatever he says I was at myle un Les or Grandpa's but when she calls this person that he was he's not there mhm
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again so was that your car that went looking for your son cuz you couldn't find your son for a couple hours
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mhm you know and if you can't find your son for a couple hours and you're driving around in that neighborhood
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where's your Alibi and and if you have an alibi is it a false Alibi you know I I think this angle
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needs to be looked at more I mean I like I said I wish I had the time you know to
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dive into it more but I I just always thought and I I don't want to I don't want to like throw too much shade on her
00:33:43
but no I think you can water deaths are are more female driven than than male so I'm just saying who's in that
00:33:54
car that they see driving erratically and is it a pickup truck or is it a sedan is it her car or is it not her car
00:34:00
is it her and her boyfriend is it her and somebody else looking for her boys and if her son was there when they were
00:34:08
killed and any of his story is correct I mean it just seems like a lot of details
00:34:14
for the kid to make up completely or a lot of details that the cops made up and told him to
00:34:22
say right it just seems like a lot for an 8-year so it's like some of what he's saying I
00:34:30
think is true and the rest I think they're leading was he there and then if he was there then why didn't they kill
00:34:38
him well and I think I think the weird thing here and this is why you have to throw a theory out there um a theory
00:34:46
like this out there for for people to take a look at to examine see if they can find anything and add weight to it
00:34:54
for several reasons first of all we know what are the facts that we do know Vicky
00:35:00
Hutchinson is a liar 100% there's no way to get around that she has said on record she lied about the things she
00:35:07
told the police back then uh as far as her testifying I do know that she testified in some form of court I don't
00:35:14
think it was actually at either of the famous trials that being of Jesse Miskelly or when Damien and Jason were
00:35:22
tried together she didn't testify in those but it's my understanding that at later at the um the hearings to try to
00:35:31
they're basically appeals right so at the appeal hearings she did testify at some of those her story changes all the
00:35:39
time and then later she says I lied back then so we know she's a liar first of all right right the other known fact is
00:35:46
this um it's what information is out there says that Aaron Hutchinson did not give
00:35:56
detailed information about the murders or who he had expected or susp suspected of murdering the two the three kids that
00:36:05
he was friends with on the initial time of talking with law enfor the initial interview and the the way that this went
00:36:14
down from my general understanding of it is he gave some very vague statement to
00:36:19
the police that said something to the the effect of he was hanging out with some of the kids um that he had saw
00:36:27
maybe they go into Robin Hood Hills or at least one or two of them went into Robin Hood Hills and at some point he
00:36:33
says something to the effect of nobody knows what happened to them but me and later the police recorded this and later
00:36:43
they used this when they were interrogating Jesse Miss Kelly and they played that short little sentence of of
00:36:50
a little boy's voice saying nobody knows what happened to them but me MH and that
00:36:56
was kind of a ghostly haunting statement a ghostly haunting thing for somebody like Jesse misskelly to hear being
00:37:05
played over it's a crazy thing for eight-year-old to say saying over and over again and then my understanding is
00:37:12
that once Jesse Miss Kelly MH once they are able to spin and roll and and and help paint the canvas of what ends up
00:37:22
being his confession to the police that then the police took the confession right and they used pieces of it to try
00:37:32
to get Aaron Hutchinson to say similar things or the same thing right but what what is weird is in Aaron Hutchinson's
00:37:39
story he's there and Jesse M Kelly's story Aaron Hutchinson's not there right and that's a big problem for law
00:37:48
enforcement and for the prosecutors and then second of all so they never could get Jesse mkelly to say that Aaron
00:37:54
Hutchinson was there they never could do that they couldn't get Aaron Hutchinson
00:37:58
to say hey would have anybody have known that you were there and and he he does say something to the effect of uh I was
00:38:07
going to be killed or they saw me and I was going to be killed and I ran away the problem with Aaron Hutchinson story
00:38:13
is multiple things one he's eight years old and easily easily just as easily as Jesse Melly was manipulated by law
00:38:22
enforcement he too would be easily manipulated by people authoritative figures right and one of
00:38:29
his stories though is that there's more than three people back there at one point of the interview it's there's more
00:38:36
than three people back there and at one point when they're talking about Damian he's like yeah Daman wasn't there right
00:38:44
and then you go wait what no and the things he was saying that he witnessed did not happen right but this is the
00:38:51
[ __ ] about this whole goddamn case though is first of all if you don't have these shitty ass M investigators trying
00:38:57
to lead everybody to the answers they think that is the truth right mhm it's like who knows what Aaron would have
00:39:05
said if they just said we want you to tell us what you can remember that's it mhm if they came and they said right to
00:39:13
my face we didn't alter his story at all we don't we didn't lead him at all [ __ ] you piece of [ __ ] you did and
00:39:21
he did but they did the same thing with Jesse mkelly and then they did the same thing with also Vicky Hutchinson so now
00:39:28
we know Vicky Hutchinson's a liar we also know but there's so many people in this case that are just lying their
00:39:35
freaking heads off and then on top of that the three guys that get out the three guys that make Alfred pleads that
00:39:41
you know they're guilt I'm guilty but I get a claim my innocence and I get out of prison and all three of those
00:39:49
[ __ ] said that they're going to work hard and they're going to have Justice for the three victims and justice for
00:39:54
the family and they're going to work hard to solve this case and what what have they done you know I think there's
00:40:01
only been one of the three that's actually done an interview that would provide any information and and one
00:40:07
won't even leave west of Memphis and the other one you know walks around and and
00:40:11
interviews with sunglasses like he's some [ __ ] celebrity and he won't answer any questions he'll write a bunch
00:40:18
of books about [ __ ] moonwater but he won't do any interview to get any information about that town what was
00:40:25
happening did he know something did he hear something I think they're just holding back a lot of information you
00:40:32
know and then they point the finger at one stepf father then the next step father but then once they get out
00:40:38
they're free and they don't do [ __ ] and you still got three boys dead and nobody
00:40:41
doing anything about it well we also have some things to consider um these individuals the the three that have been
00:40:50
released are from my understanding still under probation they're still having to live their lives under the
00:40:58
rules of probation that set up for them okay so is there a rule under probation that you're not allowed to talk about
00:41:04
your case uh you might not be able to interfere you might not be able to do anything that might be considered
00:41:11
interference yeah but what about all the money that you raised and all these private investigators are you not
00:41:17
allowed to be are these private investigators do they have to stop because now you're on probation and how
00:41:23
long are they on probation for um I been out since what uh 2012 they maybe they're off probation
00:41:31
now I thought they all received 10 years probation okay so they wouldn't be off yet right I I thought they all received
00:41:38
10 years probation so there's a few there's a few issues with and and actually I'm going to take the opposite
00:41:45
stance here I actually see and understand why they might not be actively participating in the
00:41:54
investigation one there is no no legit investigation as far as the state of Arkansas is concerned it's a solved and
00:42:01
closed case right so there's one issue then two let's look at them individually so it's my understanding that of the
00:42:11
three most likely Jason Baldwin has been somewhat active in this case right uh Jesse M Kelly won't even do an interview
00:42:21
and I actually think that there's very good reason why he doesn't and actually why I would suggest to him if he's
00:42:28
listening not to do an interview he's been same same thing to I'd suggest the same thing to he he's been tricked
00:42:35
already multiple times and I think that out of just playing it safe he's going to go I think that here's the vibe I get
00:42:43
from that dude and mind you never spoken to him never will uh because he doesn't
00:42:47
talk to people but uh I actually think he doesn't even have a phone or a cell phone um the vibe I get from this dude
00:42:55
is he's a pretty regular nice dude and I think he wants to talk to people I think
00:43:02
he wants to share uh his experience I think he's frightened I think he's been I think he's been beaten into submission
00:43:11
uh mentally and emotionally regarding this and I think he's frightened and feels hey no matter who I talk to
00:43:18
they're going to try to trick me you know we we already know that he couldn't discern he couldn't he couldn't tell the
00:43:25
difference between his defense attorney and the police and the DET right right again and again that look there's
00:43:32
there's three guys that were put away for this I and they were put away because one of them it just has a very
00:43:39
low IQ and it is very low functioning so you know yes but the other two again maybe Jason has been involved somewhat
00:43:52
and I know he's done a couple interviews but it's it's not enough enough I mean if you know Jason that
00:43:59
what they claim in their documentary what they claimed was that Jason didn't want to do the plead he didn't want to
00:44:08
do any plead deal right okay but then they but then they all said but what we realized well and they had all this
00:44:16
[ __ ] too you know oh Damian's just he's suffering on on uh death row he's you know he's not going to live to see
00:44:26
see this go to trial which was a bunch of [ __ ] and a bunch of Lies well maybe um there okay so there's
00:44:36
several problems with that too they one if they would have faced a new trial which that's what they were pushing for
00:44:43
it could have been a year and a half two years three years before that new trial
00:44:48
would have came about no no and then then I heard some arguments that if they really wanted to play the system they
00:44:55
were not going going to see a trial for 6 years right and then on top of that let's say you know my estimates of year
00:45:01
and a half to 3 years your estimate of 6 years I've I've heard that too five six
00:45:06
years so anywhere at the minimum what I've heard is one and a half years at the maximum maybe six years then on top
00:45:13
of that I have read cases where individuals have been later cleared by DNA evidence to release them from prison
00:45:21
for a murder that they supposedly you know were accused of committing years ago go mhm and these individuals then
00:45:29
they depending on what state you're in even if you're clear that doesn't mean they're like all right well uh give him
00:45:35
back his belongings and send him home in 15 minutes in some states you still sit
00:45:41
in prison for another 9 10 months afterwards before they release you so well no and again if if if it was stated
00:45:50
in their documentary if it was stated to me that hey we're just we didn't do this
00:45:56
and we want out of jail right mhm or out of prison they got out you're out of jail
00:46:05
you're out of prison you're off a death row you get a Le you're going to have a free you're a free man right M and yeah
00:46:13
you took an Alfred plea get it there's a lot of good people that would take that
00:46:18
plea deal one it works out for the state cuz you can't sue them so they don't have to pay you millions and millions of
00:46:24
dollars for being in jail if that's all they stated in their documentary fine go about your life mhm write your
00:46:36
shitty books right I can't say they're shitty they're actually no the the daman's a great writer I'm just really
00:46:44
pissed off is what what it comes out to and dark spell is a very good book not written by Jason Baldwin but he assisted
00:46:52
yeah in the writing no but I met with Damian and and but I just I don't feel like I feel
00:47:00
like in their documentary that they stated that if they get out they can do more damage on the case they could find
00:47:08
more information they could solve this if there were but it's going to be easier to do if they're out jail right
00:47:16
right right right the now it's six years later and it's like no but but that's the problem we have with media is that
00:47:24
and and actually I shouldn't say media cuz they're just doing their jobs to to record and report on what's going on and
00:47:30
that was big news so they need to be there reporting but the problem is I guess public perception and we have to
00:47:38
keep in mind and I had to I had to retool myself on this one too uh in this specific instance where we have these
00:47:46
guys that are sitting there before they're released or just after being released saying look we're going to
00:47:53
we're going to write this ship we were wrong fully convicted and we believe we have some evidence that might provide a
00:47:59
lead to who actually did this or the persons that actually did this and again yeah we can work this better on the
00:48:07
outside and maybe they're working on something what I have to remind myself though is what information did they know
00:48:14
at that time when making that statement you know what I mean did they know they were going to be on probation for 10
00:48:19
years did they know that they would have to ask permission to leave the state of
00:48:23
Arkansas did they know that if they did any if they so much as get arrested for I mean if they have certain uh
00:48:30
violations they could find themselves back in prison for life sentences MH and according to you know the probation so
00:48:39
what I'm getting at is yeah but it's also easy thing to stand behind and I don't know what their their rules and
00:48:46
regulations of probation but I know that Jason Baldwin talked about the case mhm
00:48:51
so you know we can't hide behind this you know I wanted to hear uh you know Bob Ruff interview Damen Eckles and it
00:49:01
was just a load of [ __ ] is what it was it was just a waste of goddamn time but
00:49:06
it goes to Damien's statement of of his knowledge of the case his statement is always been I don't know anything about
00:49:13
the case I don't have any suspects I don't know of any suspects um I don't know how much I can talk about the case
00:49:20
because I I just I didn't do it and I don't I didn't know I didn't know the victims I didn't know the the uh area I
00:49:27
didn't know any of the suspects right but in Paradise Lost you can in number two you can throw uh Hobs
00:49:35
under the bus and then in your documentary you can throw um well I got that backwards didn't I
00:49:43
got you threw buyers under the bus and then you threw Hobs under the bus as well did other people no which I
00:49:50
understand I get it at least you're trying at least you're saying something but so you make the that you get out of
00:49:56
jail you make the documentary in 2012 and now you're telling me in 2018 I don't know anything you don't know
00:50:02
anything you've been studying this case how long were you in jail for how long were you studying this case they know
00:50:08
more than what they're telling us and and again I'm just disappointed because I thought here might
00:50:16
be you know maybe these guys were arrested unjustly maybe they're on death row unjustly but if they get out maybe
00:50:24
they can also to prove something to the world that not only did you let me out not only did I claim that I was innocent
00:50:31
but I put together enough information that you probably could go after somebody and you might not go after them
00:50:36
because there's somebody already convicted of this crime but we're going to put that out and again I don't know
00:50:41
if they're working on it I don't know if they say hey we have some stuff but we don't want to put out just a west of
00:50:47
Memphis documentary about some circumstantial evidence we're actually going to put
00:50:52
together a case File and and release that as a documentary I don't know but I I I just feel like based on what their
00:51:01
documentary west of Memphis said I mean it just seem like definitive statements like we can do more and we will do more
00:51:09
and we'll and we'll you know get answers and Justice and it just doesn't seem like they've done much you know if
00:51:16
anybody out there finds anything information any information regarding the uh possible Theory discussed here
00:51:22
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00:51:29
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