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crime before we dive too much further into this missing child case we want to take
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this opportunity to listen to an interview conducted with lih high County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman and this is from
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East Idaho news.com let's go back to the beginning can you kind of give us a timeline as to when the the family
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arrived and what preceded well the family from what I understand that we learned during the investigation arrived
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the evening prior to July 10th sometime uh fairly close to dark on Thursday July
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9th and then uh they went to uh went to town in leor and Upon returning they supposedly
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thought they were turning their child over to their uh grandfather the child great-grandfather they went down to the
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creek which was right next to the campground and within 10 to 15 minutes they go up to find their child to show
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him some fish in the Stream and he's nowhere to be found and grandfather assumes he's gone down to them because
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he was within their line of sight and uh wasn't too far from the campground uh they started their initial search and
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eventually called 911 when they realized they couldn't find the child where was Mr renwand during all of this he was in
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the same general proximity the cek is just over the bank um he's Downstream they're Upstream uh they're all within
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probably 100 to 150 ft of each other very close proximity very close so they call 911 you guys arrive and begin
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searching correct and um at this point where where their V vehicle searched the tents I gu everything out there was
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probably searched we did a I think a very thorough investigation we uh we took two initial track dogs in uh one of
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them being mine and one being salmon Police Department they're trained to search for people who are lost um they
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were given a scent uh they went from the campground up to the reservoir and then back to the
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campground and we we searched everywhere a small child could easily hide or climb into or fall
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into and nothing and we found absolutely nothing talk a little bit about the cranes that were dumped into cuz the
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dogs were getting a sent weren't they unbeknownst to us while we were doing our grid search someone came in and
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wanted to deposit PR remains of a loved one at that site and I'm assuming it's a
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favorite site of their loved one and and without thinking they deposited these crines not realizing they were in the
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middle of a crime scene and what it would do within a couple days our dogs are telling us we need to spend more time up
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at the reservoir and so we Dove it for two or three more days and put Sid scan sonar and then we found out from one of
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our BLM Rangers that they stopped this individual coming out and were informed that they had deposited some Caines in
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the reservoir had he had Dior been in the reservoir his body would have been recovered by
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now we believe so yeah we really believe so mhm okay uh the store did the family
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go down to the the store there and let or and was there any surveillance captured of this boy surveillance video
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I don't believe they have a surveillance but uh we have a receipt that we've documented that they purchased C certain
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items they were on the receipt the time was stamped on the receipt and so we believe you know that's where
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they went it was that Friday morning yes it was okay uh do you know did they stop
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any other places on their way up to leor yeah they they stopped to get some diesel fuel diesel fuel yeah any
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surveillance video at that gas station okay I'd be surprised if there's a camera anywhere in leor well yeah small
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community MH okay so um as far as uh the the private investigator told us a a few
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days ago that that Jessica said that there was an older gentleman that may have been staring at Dior have you heard
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anything about that just the report I don't know that we confirmed who that individual is but uh you know if we had
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to go look for everybody that stared at at you personally or anybody for any uh type of crime you know it it'd be uh
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pretty difficult undertaking you know to to check those stories out but you know
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um yes we have heard that information how much of the area up there was searched it was I mean you guys searched
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for two three weeks didn't you before you officially scaled back yeah absolutely it's
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uh almost almost a 3 mile radius and no sign absolutely none do you believe it was an abduction you know
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personally I think an abduction is one of the least likely events Prim primarily uh the information we have is
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Grandpa's watching the child he tells me he looks away momentarily when he looks
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back he's gone and he's assumed he's gone over the bank right where grandpa's sitting he's within 20 to 30 yards of
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the only roadway into the campground and absolutely no one was seen at that lower
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Campground coming or going and when my Personnel went in nobody was seen leaving so I think it's
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it you know I mean I can't completely rule it out but it's one of the least likely things that
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occurred what can you say about Mr rain wand uh at this point he's uh still cooperating uh um you know I'm not
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getting any uh any feeling that he's not being truthful I I think he's been very
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truthful and I appreciate his help he's come up to the area on a on a second occasion with me and uh until uh we find
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a piece of evidence or locate anything that tells me otherwise I think he's being very truthful uh how about the
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parents and the grandfather you know I think all three those three have been very Cooperative uh they've given us
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everything we've asked for and and so I'm I feel real good about uh the parents and and the grandfather also um
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the FBI has has have they would it be correct to say they've taken over or I guess they're working with you they're
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working with us we've given them uh lots of items uh to uh to analyze uh behaviorally and uh we've given them
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some physical evidence I I can't go into those details but we're basically uh trying to cover all of our bases and
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we're looking for any clue whatsoever that might help us resolve this and you said Bonville is also assisting mainly
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very much so can you say anything about how Isaac ended up on the trip I hate to
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go into too many details I mean obviously there's a relationship between him and and Grandpa you know
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um you know I mean they're they're friends uh but prior to that trip he had never met mom or
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dad the um Family says their vehicles and cars were searched which which it sounds like in any case it that would be
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standard operating procedure you know even though we searched them that night you know he always second guess did did
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we miss something could he have been in another compartment did we not search everything so yeah everything's been
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searched at least a couple times if if not more have you guys as a department been handling this I mean that's a lot
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of Manpower and hours and I'm sure a little bit of frustration trying to find this kid oh it's definitely been a a
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challenge we've got some fabulous volunteers our search and rescue is second to none and uh they've been
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overwhelmed by this we've had some issues on uh on stress that we've had to deal with and our office is uh my chief
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Deputy has spent endless hours up there he's climbed literally up to the top of some of the Peaks up there he's walked
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into some of the old uh dens of some of the animals that live in those areas and
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he's been fr Ally searching for a clue and and uh it's been overwhelming I mean there's been days I've been the only
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patrolman on the road because all my personel are up there working at the scene have you ruled out a wild animal I
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guess has anything been ruled out absolutely nothing has been ruled out there could have been some interference
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from you know a predator at some time in the scenario whether beginning or partway through you know no we had bears
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and wolves running literally through Camp searching while we're were searching absolutely and there's wolf
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dens nearby correct well some old ones we haven't found any any fresh dens but uh just over the top of the Divide there
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is a pacoy and we've understood they've had some issues over there with some wolves and they've uh taken out some of
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the uh some of the wolves in order to eliminate the problem so where do you guys go from
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here well we wait until we get our report from the FBI I that's going to be critical and uh we're still asking the
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public uh to help us if they have any information to identify a 2 and 1/2-year-old with blonde hair I'm not
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sure that's a positive um uh thing for our office because every 2 and 1 half-year-old with blonde hair
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looks just like Dior and so I'm I'm asking the public if they know the family and they didn't have a 2 and a
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half year old prior to this time period that's that's one I want to look at closely but if if it's somebody they
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don't know to contact their local law enforcement and have them follow up for us because it's just so overwhelming for
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our small office yeah have you guys just been bombarded with with ti absolutely absolutely what are your thoughts about
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the private investigator I guess that's just something the family's doing on their own too y yep totally uh you know
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uh kudos to them for you know looking for more help um I can only do so much and maybe he can turn up
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something that we've missed U but I think you know he primarily thinks it's an abduction and and I think that's very
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remote and as far as the light detector test you said you couldn't say much about yeah you know they've all all four
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have taken voluntarily taken polygraphs and right now that those have been turned over to the FBI along with the
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statements and I would prefer to have them look at the reports and look at the evaluations on the polygraph to make
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sure we're looking at everything correctly and that we didn't miss anything at this point would you feel
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comfortable saying something criminal happened no okay no not at all that interview was taken from August of
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2015 so now at the timeline of this interview we're talking about a about a month after Dior went missing yeah and
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then there are three really big takeaways that I have from that 10-minute interview right two from the
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sheriff and one from the interviewer and I'll just kind of throw these out there
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and we'll talk about them as we go the two from the sheriff are this one he says look we talked about the
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possibilities yesterday animal attack abduction or some type of involvement resulting in The Accidental or
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intentional death of Dior by either a family member or a friend and I think the way that they're wording that is to
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suggest that family member or friend there were three family members up there with the boy and one friend of the
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family up there with the boy right so can't rule anything out but that what really hits the home run there in that
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interview is that statement toward the end of the interview where the sheriff says if anyone knows the family he says
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I can't I'm not going to tell you to look for a 2-year old blonde boy because almost all of them look like Dior right
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I want to talk to a family member or anyone that knows the family that can say that they did not have this boy or a
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young boy with them prior to going on this campaign trip that's who I want to talk to and then the one thing that
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stands out for me from the all right so but to unpack that just to be clear you're saying that the sheriff is saying
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hey look I want proof that that boy was there right okay right and then the one thing that that stands out for me from
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the interviewer is there are multiple questions and multiple times where the interviewer
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tries to steer the questions and steer the sheriff in the direction of Isaac renwald the the friend the friend that
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is up there and I think that is for a number of reasons one at the time being about a month or less than a month after
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The Disappearance mhm the first thing that really people started calling into question when the news of this story
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broke especially online was a lot of people were very suspicious of this guy Isaac right and I think one rightfully
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so because immediately what you see is which one of these things is not like the other well Isaac is the one thing
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that is not like the other he's the friend everybody else is a family member of this little boy yeah and he's a and
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he's a little odd let's put it that way and he's also it seems to me a little bit on the slow side so you know what's
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weird about him and well not necessarily about him more so about this whole story
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and cast of characters to me is going into this when I first got involved and you and I have both been aware of this
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case for for a long time and it's been a while that we've wanted to cover it yeah
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I've never been able to die into it as much as I have this week yeah and I'm I'm going to agree with you and
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thousands and thousands of other people out there that say this Isaac guy there's something off with him he's
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weird he's odd and and you also have Jessica and vernal who both say this guy's a little odd we didn't know him
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he's a little weird the grandfather says that you know but the the funny thing to me MH is
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after spending a long time reviewing this case and reviewing these four adults because that's where my suspicion
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lies within this pack of four adults okay I find all four of them to be odd so so if if we're going to say that
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Isaac is odd or weird or or comes off weird I I really think all four of them are are strange Birds doesn't he seem
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like he's operating with a lower IQ to you um yes diminished intelligence or something
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like that uh a a little slower um yes I I think so and and it's pretty I you know those are things that you hate to
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say and hate to throw out there but I think that's what most people's conclusion would be watching an
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interview with him or speaking with him in person right and but also the cops at
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this point and later they say this guy is cooperate he's cooperating with us and uh we believe he's telling the truth
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and what's interesting too in that interview is we have the sheriff saying basically that all four of these people
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all four of these adults are cooperating all four of them are answering our questions the grandfather the father the
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mother they have given us everything we've asked for right uh we do have a little more from regarding Isaac where
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we have the sheriff saying he even even came up to the site with me on a second a second time to go over everything well
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there's a lot of speculation about Isaac online so when this story broke there was a couple things that happened
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immediately one was the parents were at the Forefront they were very upfront and
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Center they were they had the spotlight on them everybody knew their names everybody knew that it was their son who
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was missing that was just part of the news breaking what did not occur immediately
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was the releas relas of the grandfather's name or the release of Isaac's name the friend of the
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family and so I think in a way that could have started some type of Suspicion about them or or or Isaac
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right but the the interesting thing here too is when his name was released Isaac is repeatedly identified
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as a sex offender with an extensive criminal history in online forums and on social media for a while really and
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that's very troubling because again which one of these things is not like the other Isaac is just a friend of old
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Grandpa's yep and he's not he's not a parent of this little boy and oh he's a little odd and now online people are
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identifying him as a sex offender with an extensive criminal history and online forms and on social media number one
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flicky flicky so the police did address this situation the sheriff did address the
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situation and their answer is very confusing to me but I have to throw it out there because I it may help clear
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some things up okay so the Idaho State their their response to this was to say that Isaac was at one time charged with
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felony rape and this occurred in 2006 but the charge was amended down to misdemeanor domestic battery
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the sheriff went on to say that he meaning Isaac does have a criminal record however the police reports are
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not consistent with his record and I'm not sure why that was his exact State his exact statement he does go on to say
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that is what the heck does that mean well he does go on to say that Isaac is not a sex offender Isaac is not a
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registered sex offender and I'm I'm with you he does have a criminal record this
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is the statement he does have a criminal record however the police reports are not consistent with his record I'm not
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sure what that means I'm not sure why I did a little digging and the best I could come up with here is
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rumor but from what I found as far as rumor goes is that this charge that he was originally charged
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with is in some relation to his ex-wife mhm and they may have been married at the time and it was was reduced to a
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domestic issue what I'm getting at is where he says the police reports are not consistent with his
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record I'm wondering if the sheriff this is just all inferences here so take it with a grain of salt I'm
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wondering if by this time and I'm I'm feeling very confident that by this time the sheriff had personally reviewed the
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police reports from those charges and he's reviewing it and going the charge doesn't really line up with the
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complaint right and so I see why it was then amended to a much lesser charge because either Isaac then pled
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guilty to something or they were able to prove the Lesser charge because like I said maybe the sheriff reviewing the
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reports says this complaint doesn't match up with what he ends up getting charged with let's hear a clip of an
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interview with Isaac so the garage listeners can get a feel for this individual so you thought baby Dior I
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thought they were all were going as a group yeah so and did you look back did you actually see them all with you as a
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group at some point at some point before we we were all as a group before we as we started to leave the campground I
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remember all of us being together whatever Happ right Bob wasn't Bob was at the let stayed at the camp okay but
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to the very first spot when you were showing them do you remember did was Jessica holding deor was was senior Dior
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holding Dior because if he was having trouble walking he probably would have had to been carried at some point right
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right so do you remember if anyone was holding him if he was if he was down there like I said I don't it's like I
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don't like I can't answer that I don't you know like I said I don't remember everything as far as I know I thought
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baby Dior was still behind us and I was showing Jessica like when when I went to
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go show them the fishal like I went down there and showed Jessica where the fishing hole is and I assumed that you
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know Dior and his dad were right behind me okay right or just just behind us they it was taking them a little bit to
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catch up and at what point did you and Dior senior and Jessica split up they went somewhere else and you went
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somewhere you said earlier right you came down the creek closer to the campground and left them up there yeah
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and so I don't know it was like 5 10 I showed him I must have been 5 10 minutes okay after I did that I
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started walk I walked towards camp and I went to another fishing mode to fish and
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I was down there fishing for a while and that's when I noticed Bob was up there on the ridge walking pacing back and
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forth so I asked him what was going on and he said little de was missing and I was like what so exactly distance there
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on the you said that Bob was like pacing on the ridge what do you mean the ridge
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there's really high Banks I'm not the very bottom of the bottom of the bank so it's hard to even see up over the bank
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how steep the banks are so you notice you said you notice Bob pacing kind of what did he look like te was he stressed
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he looked like he was kind of stressed or worried about something so and so that's what made you think to ask him
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what was going on and he said that little dior's missing so and your reaction was well
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where where did he go I better start helping look help look for him so then what did you I walked up to the bank and
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started and I talked to Bob a little bit more about where where they might where you might be and
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we started looking in the campers and everything first we looked in the camper we we uh looked all around the area we
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looked underneath the vehicles um we went up in the hills I I went up in the hill up there about to
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where the reservoirs I went up there and looked around I must have went out by myself for probably about a half an hour
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an hour looking trying to find theor I couldn't find him so was Jessica and Dior uh Jessica's boyfriend or fiance at
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the time were they at the campsite when and Bob told you Dior was missing when when he was pacing on the
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bank and you walked up were they at the campsite when I when I went down there to talk when I went up there to talk to
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Bob no they were already out looking for him so you didn't see them they were they were out so you and Bob search the
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immediate area me and Bob searched the immedia immediate area right there for a little bit his mom came from I don't
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know she was out in the Sage Brush looking and she came back to C and I talked to her a little bit and I said
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what's what's going on here like he's missing did she seem upset yes she seemed pretty upset so I couldn't really
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look at you in the face or anything she hadn't been able to do that for a I don't know for what
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reason do you so did you ever have the impression before law enforcement or search and rescue out there did you ever
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have a thought that maybe he was someone take took him did you ever think that or
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was that something that came about when he just couldn't be found I thought maybe he got lost or somewhere and sat
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down okay that's what my impression was or you know you or the just cuz fiance you know where he went did he was he in
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the truck or did he on was he on foot he was on foot for a while and then he was
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also in the TR he got in the truck too to go down by the cattle guard to go look for him down there too okay but you
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you stayed busy then you I stayed busy looking going up the up the hill all over yeah was Dior Senor did he get
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was he angry did he get aggressive with Bob did he say like you know you he was here last like was there
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frustration I think there was a little bit but he didn't seem to get too angry at Bob so so Dior did he ever
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appear frustrated or anything that Dior did he tell Bob at the time he I left him here with you did he ever say
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anything like that no I remember now did Vernal Dior Jessica's boyfriend or fiance he left the campground did he
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leave the campground in his truck to go call 911 do you know far as I know he left the campound and he startu to go
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look for little Dior by the the cattle guard but other than that I don't know if they left to go call or if they
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called it from there with one of their cell phones I don't I don't know okay was Bob continuing to look to could he
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get up and down the hills very easy had kind of a hard time cuz he had the auction machine and the tub so okay so
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[Music] today all right so little to do so much time wait r reverse that reverse that
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Cheers Cheers man we got a lot to get to here and like you said or not like you said just a little bit of time to do it
00:33:06
I do want to you know where that quotes from Willie Wonka oh yeah yeah that's get with it he says a couple things
00:33:14
backwards and says to reverse it so I do want to point out here that at some point the lih high County Sheriff's
00:33:23
Department they announced that all four of the adults that were up on that campsite with little baby Dior mhm at
00:33:31
some point they announced that all four of them are considered to be Persons of Interest so Isaac who you just heard
00:33:37
there the grandfather as well as both the parents uh and you heard In that clip too the reporter kept referring to
00:33:47
dior's father as Dior several times in there and that's why I wanted to point out early in this case that sometimes
00:33:55
you might hear him refer to is that we've been calling him Vernal uh to keep it nice and tidy so we'll continue to do
00:34:02
so right now do we want to get into the whole shovel thing yeah let's go ahead and get into the shovel thing
00:34:09
because you know that's the last question that was asked yeah so apparently this is according to
00:34:17
Jessica that there was a shovel that she said had like some mud on it like it was
00:34:22
recently used right and this is this shovel incident takes place once law enforcement are on the scene once they
00:34:30
are searching for Dior and she she says that she tells the Tells law enforcement about this shovel
00:34:39
points it out to him says look this shovel looks like it was recently used now also at this time she's already
00:34:45
telling law enforcement that Isaac is a bit odd and that they don't really know anything about this guy so somehow they
00:34:54
connect this shovel to him or they want to talk to him about the shovel she says
00:34:58
that they take Isaac away from the group they talk to him for for a while um and
00:35:04
they are going to look and examine look at and examine the shovel she says something about a hair being on blonde
00:35:13
hair yeah a blonde hair and she she says this could have been one of dior's hairs
00:35:18
she points it out to the uh law enforcement and then reaches to grab it and it blows away in the wind yep and
00:35:26
it's gone Gone Gone Forever and so I guess once they're done talking to Isaac he comes back to the group and
00:35:35
knows that they were talking about the shovel and Jessica says Isaac then begins rubbing the shovel or touching
00:35:43
the sh shovel something to that effect which she found to be incredibly weird on August 12th
00:35:51
2015 private investigator Frank vilt joins the search the way that this is explained how this
00:35:59
comes about is that Frank vilt is a friend of the family somehow and he offers his expertise into helping the
00:36:10
family this relationship does not seem to go very well at all no and it seems to unravel and fall apart fairly quickly
00:36:20
I love private investigators all of them seem to have a little bit of a cocky swagger like like they're going to come
00:36:27
in and they they know what's best well Mr velt is a retired US Marshal MH so he has a good amount of experience and he's
00:36:37
offering his help and as we said this seems to fall apart very quickly at some point he withdraws himself from
00:36:45
assisting the parents of Dior yeah and he even issues them a statement regarding such yeah and within that
00:36:56
statement here are some interesting words that he uses quote my stipulation was that both of you would be absolutely
00:37:04
truthful this is him talking to the parents of Dior in my professional opinion both of you lied and
00:37:11
misrepresented the true facts that could possibly solve the mystery of your missing
00:37:18
son what we have here is the investigator is stating these individuals he does not think that they
00:37:25
have been truthful with him right and thus hindering his investigation he's starting to be
00:37:33
suspicious that they know more why would they not want to be truthful with this man that's trying to help them out yeah
00:37:40
if you're hearing inconsistencies in stories you're going to go hey what's why are you lying there's also some
00:37:46
other angles here and one of them being the reward money now this is reported many different ways so I'll just kind of
00:37:55
give you the whole of it you can decide exactly uh what was going on it was reported that at one point they were
00:38:03
offering 5,000 maybe even $10,000 for information yeah regarding the missing boy and I believe this would have been
00:38:11
coming from like Crime Stoppers or something in the general area the community coming together and trying to
00:38:17
help this family at some point private investigator Frank vilt says you know what we need to increase this amount
00:38:24
yeah this might not be enough money to to draw somebody out that could really know something so I knowing that you
00:38:31
don't have even the funds to pay me to help you and that you don't have the means to build this reward yourself I
00:38:39
will offer up some of my own money I'm already giving you my time yeah so I'll offer up some of my own money let's
00:38:47
increase this reward to $20,000 and make this a national case and make it you know let's get some
00:38:55
substantial reward money here to try to draw out some possible information some leads onto where your son could be his
00:39:03
statement says that they were not on board with that that the parents of Dior were not on board with increasing the
00:39:10
reward amount right which on one hand makes it look pretty fishy but on the other hand they might not be wanting to
00:39:19
you know they're already asking this guy of his time and his effort and his energy and maybe they think this is a
00:39:26
simpler case and it it it should be solved quickly and we should find answers quickly and we don't want you to
00:39:32
put up your own money we we've already asked enough of you I think you go to the ends of the
00:39:39
Earth to find your child right but it goes back to you know the mother's crying too much the mother's not crying
00:39:47
enough I mean it's hard to put yourself in their shoes and to know how you would
00:39:53
react me or you I would think we both go yes offer more money you know you're you're willing to do that for me what a
00:40:01
great person I like the cut of your jib for me this is one of the most suspicious behaviors of any of them of
00:40:09
any of the behaviors throughout this entire case I think that it would be bizarre to not allow this man to offer
00:40:18
further help and assistance to try to Pro to find your son we have we have the father we heard his own words we will
00:40:28
find you we will find you we will not stop looking yeah so to me this is this is a very suspicious uh Behavior by the
00:40:37
parents now we do need to keep in mind we are not privy to conversations that that occurred on the phone or within
00:40:44
closed doors meetings between this investigator and the family right so we we keep that in mind but again I find
00:40:52
this to be very strange and I haven't heard their rebuttal if the have one on this situation so should we get into
00:41:01
Frank vilt's Theory as to what he thinks may have happened here yeah because we got so many things to kind of go through
00:41:09
and the order is the proper order to do them is not very clear to me at this moment so let's just wrap up Frank
00:41:17
velt so he gives this very uh P he he gives a letter to the family explaining why he's no longer going to be working
00:41:25
their case at some point he says you know I have a theory and I've poured through some of
00:41:33
their information I don't have any evidence to back this Theory up I just have suspicion and what he says is he
00:41:43
believes that one the mother Jessica knows exactly where her son is or knows what happened to Dior and two he cites
00:41:55
that she at one time time has given away custody of her two other children that she has yeah and that there was an old
00:42:03
marriage that no longer existed and at some point she gave over full custody basically an adoption process to her
00:42:14
ex-husband yeah they make it seem like it's an adoption process quote unquote but she still had visitation she still
00:42:22
saw her kids so that's very unclear yeah that that is her rebuttal I am still involved with them I still see
00:42:30
those it was simply look the the dad was involved and he had quite a bit of money
00:42:38
and he could provide a better life for them and she wasn't working so that's her rebuttal yes and then we do have in
00:42:45
January of 2016 remember we mentioned that the sheriff's department at one point named all four adults as Persons
00:42:54
of Interest in this case publicly well in 2016 they now Elevate the parents to the status of suspect yeah
00:43:04
but they're also going to get another private investigator involved yeah and this occurs before their named suspects
00:43:12
okay so November 23rd of 2015 kic Texas this is a private investigative firm they join the case
00:43:23
and on January 9th there is a fundraiser held to pay for kic Texas but just 7 Days Later kic Texas
00:43:34
says Dior is no longer alive then we have January 25th where the parents are named by law enforcement
00:43:42
as suspects and the following day Vernal Coons hires an attorney on May 2nd Philip kleene he's one of the
00:43:53
investigators with kic Texas says Jessica Mitchell knows where the toddler's body is and the next day the
00:44:02
Coon's family fires kic Texas they are told that the Coon's family will sue kic Texas well this is a
00:44:13
lot to unpack because you have this team searching for answers and they're now saying that the mother knows
00:44:26
where the son is and that the son is dead mhm and where's their evidence for this so they're brought into this case
00:44:37
cold we should say that they're brought in with no assumptions and they're going
00:44:42
to go in there with phase one of their investigation is to interview all four of those adults that were up at the
00:44:49
campsite and it's through the course of these interviews now mind you I don't think that they ever spoke with Isaac
00:44:56
directly they spoke with the grandfather and the two parents and what their findings were is that they were being
00:45:04
told different stories that we have the parents telling the record States from kic Texas that they were told five
00:45:13
different stories by both parents who were interviewed separately and they questioned some of
00:45:21
the statements that they received regarding the grandfather now what they do state regarding Isaac is that they
00:45:30
again I don't think they spoke with him directly their statement is that he spoke with law enforcement on four
00:45:37
different occasions and gave the same story every time well I have a couple problems with this Philip Klein and I
00:45:43
don't know if you've seen some of the statements that he's given about this one he claims we came in cold we knew
00:45:52
nothing and then the next statement is we came came up with three theories their three theories were the same as
00:46:00
the sheriff's theories yes they after speaking with the sheriff's department those were the theories that they were
00:46:07
going to investigate right which if you're going in cold you don't ask for theories you also don't just Ponder okay
00:46:16
here's the situation now let's sit around and think about theories because that what you're doing is you're
00:46:22
creating a theory and now you have to follow that down the rout rbit hole until you get to the end right if you're
00:46:29
coming in cold you come up with no Theory you let evidence direct you to theories and then
00:46:38
you go down those rabbit holes and yes they interviewed these people three out of the four where's your due diligence
00:46:47
there and then on the other hand yes there's parts of their stories that don't light
00:46:53
up they don't go through through and tell you which ones don't line up and if you watch some of these interviews some
00:47:02
of the things that don't line up as the parents say well we told Grandpa to watch our son we went walking up there
00:47:12
then they ask Grandpa were you told to watch the sun I guess so that's what they told me I can't really
00:47:20
remember so is that one of the things that is not lining up because if if that if there's 10 of those that don't line
00:47:28
up is is it miscommunication or is it a lie well so just to clarify and this is according to kic Texas to their official
00:47:41
statement is that they came into the case cold in November of 2015 okay um they said that they did not
00:47:49
review re or correspond with any agency or Media Group until after phase one was
00:47:54
established in the investigation this phase included but was not limited to interviews with family friends relatives
00:48:00
Witnesses and site location information post completion of phase one it was after these interviews that it was
00:48:07
determined that they needed to follow up uh and examine the three theories that that we
00:48:15
discussed so it it is their official statement that they did come in cold that they it wasn't until interviews and
00:48:23
all that was conducted that they arrived at the same three theories that the sheriff's department did uh that needed
00:48:30
to be investigated at the time right but again if you look at the statements that
00:48:36
they have released they make tons of gigantic claims like we know that the son is dead we know the mother knows
00:48:46
where the son is just she won't tell us these are huge claims that you're not backing up with any evidence so you're
00:48:53
just putting this out to the public you're just putting this out to the media and you're not giving us the
00:48:59
reason why look if you want to make a statement like that I have I have no problem and if they pieces of [ __ ]
00:49:06
they're pieces of [ __ ] and let's figure out what happened to this kid what I have a problem with is you making
00:49:11
statements and then and not coming up with not releasing any evidence to to uh back up your your statements and these
00:49:22
are damning statements that's why they're being sued and then they also do stuff like well we raised
00:49:30
$29,000 for their they weren't going to be charged um hourly rates it was just going you know they're going to raise
00:49:39
this money just through fundraisers through fundraisers and they make a big deal
00:49:46
about how well out of the $29,000 raised 20,000 we used we don't really know where the other 9,000 is right okay well
00:49:56
you have two parents that are not working that are spending their time searching and you have you know all that
00:50:06
stuff going on and there's a lot of times in these cases where some of that money goes to the family but again it's
00:50:15
one of those things we're going to throw some shade we used 20 some th000 there's
00:50:23
9,000 missing oh that makes these parents guilty well I I see what you're saying but I I don't
00:50:31
think that that look I don't want to get into trying to determine what the intentions are of kic Texas right if
00:50:39
this were me in this situation I would do exactly as they did with that statement that you just said
00:50:46
because okay keep this in mind they agreed to take on the case this was based off of through fundraisers that
00:50:55
was with the general public so me I would feel that I owe an explanation to the general public that came together to
00:51:02
raise all this money to hire me and now I'm accusing the parents so I right my my problem with
00:51:10
that though is if you're a private investigator if you're a team of impr private investigators and you know that
00:51:17
sometimes the money is used for things like that to pay rent and cuz life goes on your kids's missing and life is going
00:51:23
on you would know this so it doesn't matter that's not my obligation here what I'm what I'm right
00:51:31
what I'm saying is people need to be more concerned with the truth and what they're trying to do and this is all the
00:51:37
truth no no the statements they're making is we we can throw shade and then we don't have to back that up with [ __ ]
00:51:45
other than don't you think that's a little strange I'm not talking about any other statement other than just the
00:51:49
money right now no I look look the money I get but what I'm saying is if you're a
00:51:55
private investigator if you rais money before and the money goes to towards your expenses but it also sometimes goes
00:52:03
to paying the the the parents' rent that that month you know that that's a possibility so don't just put it out
00:52:10
there with we spent 20 some thousand and we don't know where this other money is
00:52:14
so look down upon the the parents and that's what I'm saying that's irresponsible they could have made I
00:52:21
don't think it's irresponsible at all I understand that you feel the need to tell the public where the money went
00:52:28
yeah that's that's if I were in the situation that would be my only obligation is that I need to tell you
00:52:34
where the money that you people put together your hard earned money that you put together for this investigation I'm
00:52:42
going to tell you exactly where it went and my statement is $29,100 was used for investigators and
00:52:54
Equipment travel and hotels only investigators hourly cost and all other cost have been donated to the Klein
00:53:02
Foundation that is funded by kic Texas and the stockholders of kic right this is where they're saying
00:53:12
we have no idea what happened to the $921 these these other monies given this is where the coons family can come
00:53:21
forward and say we had to pay our rent right we've out of they're the that have that's their obligation to the public
00:53:28
okay I agree there as a as a businessman and as myself I only took a percentage of the money raised I only need to
00:53:36
answer for that okay and I don't think that they're but what what what they did in the statements that they released if
00:53:43
you read the statement that they released the I am reading the statement that they released it's constantly let's
00:53:48
throw a little shade give you no evidence uh to back up our statement and then move on to the next one throw more
00:53:55
shade don't back it up with any evidence and maybe they don't have to release that to the public but I think when
00:54:01
you're when you're sitting there making these bold statements why do you think that why do you think that the the kid
00:54:07
is dead why do you think that the mother knows where the kid is at you know what
00:54:13
what led you to that just lies or inconsistencies and then that's my problem with the
00:54:21
statement I agree with that I do I don't think that all of this was handled in the best most professional manner but
00:54:30
also keep in mind if they do have any evidence that led them to those conclusions the public is not the right
00:54:38
place for that to end up the the proper place for that is to turn that evidence over to law enforcement now right but
00:54:47
you could also make the statement of Simply like the the last private investigator we think that they're being
00:54:54
they're not being Cooperative or they're not telling us the truth and we're backing away from this and we're giving
00:54:59
all the information that we've collected to the authorities but to me this statement was we're going to throw as
00:55:07
much against these parents as we can and to publicly shame them well here's one part that is left out of some of those
00:55:17
documentaries and some internet coverage of this case and this is from kic Texas
00:55:23
when they are talking about all the searches that they conducted through their course of their in investigation
00:55:29
okay this is actually listed as their secondary search and this is very interesting
00:55:35
information one they say that investigators searched by permission in the 900 block of ADA Idaho Falls Idaho
00:55:44
which is the former residence of Vernal Coons and Jessica Mitchell yeah both have been evicted for not paying rent
00:55:51
and left in the apartment furniture and clothing and in such the landlord had cleaned out the apartment and moved all
00:55:58
the Articles to a near dumpster to near the dumpster for removal as the property
00:56:04
had been declared abandoned by the landlord right investigators were given permission to search the abandoned waste
00:56:12
by the landlord during the search we will report investigators found the following one four Matchbox cars
00:56:20
described previously by the parents as missing and they did not know where they were two a camo child's jacket similar
00:56:28
to being described by both parents as being worn on the day of the event and suggested to be missing with the child
00:56:37
three a credit card used by Family by a family friend with seemingly purchases of items unknown to investigators in
00:56:46
testimony four an insurance tracking device box and instruction package all evidence was turned over to the Li High
00:56:55
County Sheriff's Office for further testing with the US doj and FBI all right there's some things to
00:57:04
unpack the camo jacket little strange could have multiple jackets right mhm um the matchbox cards
00:57:15
you I could care less about I don't think there's much there these I I think the the the reason why they call these
00:57:22
into question is because they are saying that these cars were described previously by the parents as missing and
00:57:29
they didn't know where they were what's with this credit card so I don't know what's up with this
00:57:35
credit card because here they what's up with that they need to be vague right they can't tell us what the purchases
00:57:41
were and when they took place but what they are saying is this card was used by a family friend with purchases of items
00:57:49
unknown to investigators throughout the course of testimony given by likely the parents right and what what the hell is
00:57:58
an insurance tracking device box I don't know some kind of tracking device with instructions yeah that's I don't know
00:58:10
that's that's very strange maybe maybe somebody could add that to the blog and let us know what what the hell that is
00:58:17
but yeah I think the key the the the big thing there the big thing that you call
00:58:21
into question there is the camo jacket the one that we've always heard all along that is described to be similar or
00:58:28
the same as what the boy was wearing when he was last seen by his parents right well no look I think that's
00:58:36
something but again there's kids that like camo and they have multiple camo jackets so and I I get that but it's
00:58:44
just like the money situation right I as an investigator my only obligation is to
00:58:49
tell you what I found and what I'm using your money for I am not preventing the Coon's family or the parents of ever
00:58:58
coming forward in and giving a rebuttal or adding to that information and saying
00:59:03
we we had to use the money for rent we had no choice yeah he had two or three camo jackets we were unaware that that
00:59:10
was in the trash right yeah I mean this this one's just so tough I mean this case one this cute boy I mean if you
00:59:19
watch any of the footage of him I mean he's just uh he's kind of a goofball there's
00:59:25
there's a scene where he's saying uh Mama I love you and she's saying I'm love you back and he won't stop saying I
00:59:31
love you and You' think it's just this accident that they turn their back and he goes missing and and they're going to
00:59:40
find him and it's you know it's tragedy but it's an accident or or there's an animal that took this poor kid
00:59:49
away but it's almost like you can live with that that's the that's an accident and those things happen and it's tra
00:59:58
it's a tragedy but then when you go all these we have multiple private investigators
01:00:05
ruling out that an animal took this kid away or that he walked off on his own we
01:00:11
have the sheriff saying the same thing the sheriff is saying look the likelihood of this kid being abducted
01:00:18
out there doesn't make any sense we have private investigators saying the same thing then we have eyewitnesses that
01:00:25
can't put this kid in that area out of the four people there they're saying that there's a uh there's
01:00:36
a kid there but three of the people are family members so are they covering up for each other and did did they take
01:00:44
advantage of this neighborhood friend quote unquote that's a little odd that we can he'll be one of our
01:00:53
Witnesses and the boy is never there and other than him we have nobody outside the family saying that the boy was even
01:01:03
there and then you have one private investigator go hey you fools are lying to me I'm out the door next private
01:01:11
investigator comes in hey you fools lying to me I'm out the door and then it comes back to this idea
01:01:21
too with the sheriff saying we exhausted every option of it being accid of it being in an accident and the parents not
01:01:29
coming clean about it and that's where it brings you to this statement from Jessica where she says hey look I was
01:01:36
offered immunity I was offered immunity but I had to show them the body of my child
01:01:45
and I can't do that well when when we talk about you know we were getting into Throwing
01:01:55
Shade and and here's the thing I want to I want us to keep in mind that all along
01:02:02
the way in my opinion Jessica was showing Throwing Shade at these unknown unnamed individuals yeah this this dirty
01:02:12
man with the boy at the the at the store this creepy guy that was staring at my boy at the store right all along the way
01:02:20
Throwing Shade at these unnamed individuals or Nam individuals look at our look at the
01:02:27
family friend he was odd he was weird he's he still is weird whatever yeah but the thing they even threw shade at the
01:02:36
grandfather yeah you're right she does she's like if maybe something happened with my grandfather maybe he did
01:02:42
something yeah so the thing I want everybody to keep in mind here I think this is a statement to to to throw this
01:02:50
out to the public so where it's going to look like oh well I must be innocent I must be innocent if I tell all of you
01:02:58
that I was offered immunity and that I had to produce I had to show them where the body was so why
01:03:06
would I not be innocent if I could just show them where the body was then I'm not getting charged with anything so
01:03:12
that's that's that's as much evidence as you need that I'm absolutely innocent what she fails to tell you well as I
01:03:20
believe this is just my belief I can't back this up because the shi's department and law enforcement agencies
01:03:27
have not confirmed that they've ever offered her immunity right that I could find no no they're they're silent about
01:03:34
that there's no comment on that but I want you to I want I'm going to give you a direct statement from Lin Bowerman who
01:03:41
we heard from earlier he's the the limh high County Sheriff yeah let's go through this statement of his and let's
01:03:49
read between the lines here okay he says first he leads in with with this uh this
01:03:55
is Midway through a whole long conversation but he says they could not meaning the parents they could not pass
01:04:02
the section this is in regards to a polygraph on do you know where Dior Coons is at this time and do you know
01:04:09
what happened to him they could not pass those two parts on the polygraph captain
01:04:14
and I both agreed before the recording of this it's it's stated publicly that they
01:04:21
didn't pass polygraph test you and I are just going to throw that out we're going
01:04:25
to toss that out completely because we understand how difficult that is to polygraph parents of a dead child or
01:04:33
missing child who may be actually innocent so let's just toss that in the trash can and go on to this statement
01:04:40
regarding I think this is in direct regards to her statement about immunity well and back to real quick on that it's
01:04:48
one because if a parent feels guilty about their child dying or going missing they will fail that portion and also if
01:05:00
they are too emotional they will fa fail portions of the test that's why in most
01:05:06
cases I like lie detectors in these cases I do not so his statement in January 2016 says we've given them
01:05:17
meaning both parents yeah too many opportunities to tell us what happened if it was an accident there's been no
01:05:27
interest in going that direction so that tells me there's only one other possibility it has to be a homicide I
01:05:36
disagree with the end of that statement that it has to be a homicide right I think that that's a very likely
01:05:42
possibility but when I apply this statement to Jessica's statement about me being offered immunity and I have to
01:05:49
show them the body the discussion that you and I had earlier is there's a couple problems with that that doesn't
01:05:55
mean that she's innocent because one if I'm Jessica and I show you where the body is if they're in fact is
01:06:03
one what if the evidence on that body does not suggest or back up my statement of what accident occurred with that boy
01:06:13
right what if they go well we found this or that now we know this is a homicide this was not an accident right now she's
01:06:20
in trouble because I would bet you that that immunity if in fact she was offered
01:06:25
that was stipulated by it being an accident that she be completely truthful and lead them to the body right because
01:06:33
why would they give them immunity if they think they're guilty of killing here's the other child let's go back to
01:06:40
the first private investigator he had some thoughts and theories that maybe the child was given
01:06:46
away yeah well there in lies another problem if you offer me immunity and I have to lead you to the body
01:06:54
there is no body the boy's alive right and elsewhere and there's a lot of speculation that the boy's father is not
01:07:02
his real father and and and since there's speculation of that and and the last private investigator brings this
01:07:08
point up as well but it's like let's just do the DNA test let's do a DNA test to clear this up and so we can move on
01:07:16
with the investigation MH um I do want to point out one other thing that they thought brought Jessica
01:07:22
into suspicion was the lack of photos um apparently she was very diligent about always taking photos of little Dior and
01:07:32
posting them online and on social media and they note that on the camping trip now be it it's a short trip from the
01:07:42
time they show up till to the time that he goes missing it's what 24 hours less than 24 hours they do know hey what you
01:07:50
didn't take any pictures of your boy during this time you didn't post any pictures
01:07:54
so that that's one thing of Interest continuing on with more statements from kic Texas they state that they don't
01:08:01
have any evidence other than the testimony of the four adults at the campsite that indicates that Dior Coon's
01:08:08
the minor child was on the mountain and they say we believe that the parents through family members and
01:08:16
through friends in social media have begun a misinformation operation on behalf of the
01:08:24
parents to mislead the media mislead law enforcement and mislead investigators with kic Texas as well as the general
01:08:32
public stating we now have due to the testimony of all Witnesses including store employees clerks beer distribution
01:08:42
drives fuel handlers and credible Witnesses they have given credible testimony that we cannot find any person
01:08:50
that saw the child go up to the mountain either the day of the event or the evening before we therefore are now
01:08:57
moving our timeline of the event back to 5:00 p.m. of the day before the 911 call
01:09:03
was made all right so now that we've heard from pretty much everybody what what's your thoughts on this um here's
01:09:12
the weird thing for me is that I don't necessarily agree with either the sheriff's department or kic Texas where
01:09:21
both persons have decided to both gencies have decided to back up their timeline and look for people to talk to
01:09:28
the day before before they even went to the campsite right and my reasoning behind this is a couple of things we yes
01:09:36
we only have the four adults saying that Dior was ever even there but the problem
01:09:41
with that is if in fact he never was there then all four of these people have to be involved in some form or fashion
01:09:50
right I don't see a situation where all four of them are involved especially when we see that they all
01:09:56
kind of start turning on one another a little bit right but all private investigators and the law enforcement
01:10:04
believe the the family friend right and that's the thing you can't believe the family friend and then say he was never
01:10:13
there that day that's that's where your problem is because if you believe Isaac's statements and Isaac has said
01:10:21
every time Dior was there he was at the campsite so where I'm going with this is
01:10:29
is a couple things okay so I think that Dior did go up to the campsite with them
01:10:36
where everything starts to fall apart is the next morning when they wake up the next morning right that's when the
01:10:42
stories start getting wonky between the grandfather the the father and the mother right then we have Isaac who he
01:10:52
can't recall certain things and he seems a little confused about some things he's guessing sometimes yeah
01:10:58
but everybody's stating he's given the same story four different times and they believe him to be truthful so we have
01:11:06
the parents who at some point say you know what it could have been this Isaac guy that did something to my child we
01:11:12
have the mother who said it could have been my grandfather that did something to this child right the grandfather
01:11:18
starts to say you know what I'm starting to not think I know what happened up there
01:11:24
I think the problem for the grandfather Andor Isaac to be responsible for what happened to Dior is that the timeline is
01:11:34
too small the window of time of opportunity to do something to this boy is too small right the body and one's
01:11:42
not even physically fit one's carrying around oxygen right he's carrying around oxygen I don't know what would lead me
01:11:50
to believe here's the problem if the grandfather did something wrong then you have to believe the parents story right
01:11:56
right if Isaac did something wrong you have to believe the parents story and both their stories say we left we went
01:12:02
into town we came back we're there a short period of time and then in a window of 10 to 15 minutes our boy goes
01:12:09
missing well that only gives the grandfather Andor Isaac 10 to 15 minutes to kill and and and get rid of the
01:12:20
body that it just it doesn't work out because you have to believe somebody's story along the way somebody is telling
01:12:27
the truth and I think the person telling the truth is Isaac and regarding the grandfather I believe that he's just a
01:12:34
little confused I think I think he's a little old right because of his age and because he he falls asleep
01:12:41
often he might not really know what happened I personally think and I have no idea what actually happened to Dior
01:12:50
but where I have a big problem is day two of the camping trip as soon as they wake up that morning the stories start
01:12:57
to fall apart dior's parents cannot tell you exactly what time they left they give different reasons for why they left
01:13:04
to begin with and at some point their stories do start to meet in the middle but that might be because they're going
01:13:11
well wait a second you said you went into town for uh female products right he's saying you went into town for gas
01:13:19
yeah you could have went in town for both and they also claim they stopped at four or five places
01:13:24
we have nobody along the way that says that they saw the child with either parent or both parents and the problem
01:13:31
here is we have the mother saying oh we interacted with this person and they can
01:13:37
confirm that they saw Dior nope they couldn't oh and then the father says I don't even know if they could confirm
01:13:43
that they saw her the father says we were the boy stayed out in the in the you know near the truck with me and we
01:13:50
spoke to this person and they can confirm that me and Dior were there that person says Nope I never saw the boy so
01:13:57
what is it they can't tell you what they had for breakfast who cooked breakfast they can't tell you if the boy went into
01:14:03
the stores if he stayed out with his dad what they went into town for my thought
01:14:08
is that something happened to this boy either after they went to bed the first night of camping or they got rid of him
01:14:16
somewhere when they went into town and I think when they got back we had a short
01:14:22
period of time and we had two guys to other guys that could be easily tricked I think that there's a good chance that
01:14:30
Dior was never there once they returned to the campsite and I think we have Isaac and Bob who both can't fully
01:14:41
recall the exact minutes and movements of what was going on right and I think that whatever happened it happened and
01:14:51
they they got rid of him elsewhere now he could be alive they could have handed him off to somebody else right and just
01:14:57
came back and said you know what we're going to we're going to say that we lost the boy and now we got these other two
01:15:03
guys that can't really confirm what was going on that day that that's just that's where I'm kind of left and I I
01:15:09
know it's not any brilliant thoughts or any brilliant evidence added to any of those thoughts but it's just when you
01:15:16
really start looking at everybody's stories you have to believe somebody if not if that boy never went up on that
01:15:22
mountain then all four of these people are involved in some form and fashion and I also want to add some things
01:15:29
regarding Isaac year one year after The Disappearance of this little boy he has asked in an
01:15:39
interview do you think that the parents did something to him and he says no I don't think that I don't know them very
01:15:45
well but I don't think that they would do anything like that and that struck me as so interesting where you have all
01:15:54
these people turning on one another they even turned on Isaac yeah and guess what
01:16:00
I think that the investigators really thought Isaac could be their guy very early on right they're talking to him
01:16:07
they interview him four times I he has the most reason to be truthful and say Dior was never there because he was
01:16:16
looked at by the family or talked about by the family as a possible suspect right so why why what does he have to
01:16:25
gain from saying the boy was there that day the only thing he has to gain from saying the boy was there that day is
01:16:31
suspicion upon himself yeah I think investigators wanting to roll back the time period all the way to 5:00 I
01:16:40
don't know if that is is right but but again it's possible because think about this way
01:16:49
you have a short period of time that you're going to go to the campground or you have to set up people are setting
01:16:55
up tents we're going to sleep over here in the the Blazer and and you're going to be in there and and you could you
01:17:03
could probably pretend a little bit that you have oh we're going to put him down
01:17:06
for a nap he's already sleeping right and the family friend he's a little off so he might let his
01:17:18
imagination run wild a little bit and go yeah well yeah the kid was there I saw him in the back seat you know who knows
01:17:25
what he saw right I don't know if we should go all the way back but we don't know what happened
01:17:33
once everybody fell asleep did the parents leave but I'm also with you on the idea
01:17:39
that why did he go into town this doesn't make much sense and also like most women know their Cycles so most
01:17:48
women would know hey I I might be on my period soon soon maybe I should be prepared right so I think between that
01:17:59
and then the other excuse of well we had to get gas what do you got to get gas for you you
01:18:07
knew that you were going to go into this this place to to camp out for the night normally if you're running out of
01:18:17
gas you go well let me stop here in town and then we'll go out there so I I kind
01:18:23
of feel the same thing too maybe what happened that night or what happened in this time period
01:18:31
and it's it's very odd to me that you have two people that can't recall even how long they were gone for like the you
01:18:41
know the grandfather and the family friend they can't recall so who knows how long it was and it's
01:18:49
like was it 2 hours was it 3 hours was it 4 hours we don't don't know and um but I think they would be able to
01:18:57
track their phones though and that's what makes me believe that maybe they can't prove
01:19:08
that they went further out than they claimed that they did and maybe that's why they're put in their time period
01:19:14
back to the day before they left but this is a difficult one and it's very sad and and it's like
01:19:24
I I guess there's a part of that that wants to believe the parents aren't horrible pieces of [ __ ] but within
01:19:32
consistencies nothing ever lining up and it's it's one thing if one private investigator doesn't like you but
01:19:41
two and then law enforcement turns on you and it seems like everybody keeps turning on them and those people just
01:19:49
don't turn on the parents of a missing child child for no reason yeah unless that boy was abducted
01:19:57
in in a in a very tiny short window of time with four adults up there who saw nothing with one way in one way
01:20:06
out nothing else makes sense to me the parents are the only two that had an opportunity to get rid of the boy or the
01:20:14
body right but I can't get over that statement of the search dogs with the scent did not pick up a scent of that
01:20:24
boy I can't get over that again though that leads you to if you believe he was never there then all four of these
01:20:32
individuals are in on this and the the opportune time to get rid of this boy is when they go back into town and it
01:20:41
doesn't necessarily mean that they dumped a body they could have hit a body or they could handed the boy off to
01:20:47
somebody at some point right the other thing that I call into question here is you are are taking care of your
01:20:53
grandfather he requires a caregiver he is on oxygen 24/7 I'm not leaving my 2-year-old boy who is described as a
01:21:03
real go-getter who moves quick with my elderly oxygen needing grandfather alone that
01:21:12
makes no sense just doesn't line up yeah so I regardless of why they claim that they went into town maybe he needed fuel
01:21:20
because they were running something off of the car when it was turned on maybe she did need these products that I don't
01:21:27
so much call into question I call into question a lot of the behaviors and the the the statements that just don't line
01:21:37
up before we wrap up Captain we should very much include that yes the coons family did carry through and follow
01:21:45
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01:21:54
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