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the criminal history of a one Harvey L kerrignon detectives Dwayne Homan and William Bowman of Seattle PD are
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investigating this individual because he's the owner of the successful gas station where supposedly
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the missing girl 15 year old Kathy Sue Miller was supposed to go to fill out paperwork to apply for a job at this gas
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station our situation is this police are armed with two things suspicion about a man
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that they know has a lengthy history a lengthy violent history that includes rape and murder
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they also have this other item of two persons Kathy Sue Miller's mother and her boyfriend both saying that they were
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aware that she was supposed to meet with that man on the night that she never came home
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the problem here is Captain we don't have a body we don't have a witness saying that they saw Kathy Sue Miller get into
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this man's car all we have is this guy with this lengthy criminal history telling police
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I went to the location she wasn't there now police go back the detectives go back to Kathy Sue Miller's mother
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and they tell her look we are every bit as concerned as you are here's our findings we talked with the
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owner of the gas station we interviewed him there's nothing suggesting that we should arrest him there is nothing
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suggesting that we could find any evidence to build a case against this guy however
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here's what we know about him here's his background we are terribly afraid that he has done
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something very bad to your daughter Mrs Miller of course agrees now she's beyond words
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right inconsolable all of her suspicions how have now been verified minus physical proof minus seeing her daughter
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and she tells the detectives okay so what are you going to do are you going to get a search warrant search his home
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search his property search his business his cars she's hoping that they could search his
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home and because we have such a short window of time that's expired that possibly they would find her
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daughter maybe being held captive at his home reluctantly the detectives have to tell
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the mom we're sorry there's nothing no evidence no proof here we cannot get cannot secure a search warrant at this
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time we will keep watching him we will keep interviewing him we're going to continue to talk to other people
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but we need to build a case against this guy at the very least to get those search warrants to try to find evidence
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or perhaps find your daughter well the man that Kathy talked to last has a suspicious and deadly
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past as a parent I would think that would raise the worry level up quite a bit couple days after she's missing
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the mother receives a phone call from a male caller this is very strange this is
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a Crossroads for this mother because on one hand you got to feel like this is horrifying right could this be
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the person that took my daughter the other thing is it could be somebody calling in a ransom
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right and that the daughter has been kept held against her will but is unharmed and healthy
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and now they're calling in the ransom so they can collect and return the daughter
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and keep in mind this is 1973. this is still years not too far removed from when ransoms were very common when
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a child or youngster would go missing and was abducted and the detectives told the mother to
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actually hope for a ransom caller and we do know from other cases that we've covered and
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stories that we've covered here that you can get a ransom call that could be a hoax
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but in a weird way Mrs Miller is hopeful when she hears the man's voice on this phone call now it turns out not what she
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wants it to be but it is a breadcrumb hopefully a breadcrumb trail leading her to her daughter the caller says that
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they had found some school books he's calling from a business right and in their parking lot area found and
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recovered some school books and when looking through the school books they discovered the name
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along with a phone number and they were simply calling to return the books The Lost Books to the rightful owner
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this is her daughter's school books remember she went directly from school never came home
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and was last seen waiting for the owner of the gas station to pick her up police get these school books and
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they're looking through the books for a clue this is really interesting to me too because this is something I've seen
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with primarily with plastics and things of that nature but I've seen it on occasion with paper as well you
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talk about the JonBenet case right and there's been other Ransom notes in the the Larry Jean Bell case
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they fingerprinted some paper in that case as well this case what they did was they they
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tested they attempted to lift prints from the school books hey and if you're going to be a part of the True Crime
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world you're going to have your moments where you're gonna really lay into law enforcement bash law
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enforcement but this is one where you have to give kudos to them because what what do we have already in this case we
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have a possible suspect so this guy's saying ah I've never met her never picked her up but if you can
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find fingerprints on those books that match his fingerprints then you know he's not telling you the truth
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yeah and even if you can't trace it back to this guy let's say you pull prints from these books and it's from somebody
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that's in your system right now you have somebody else to talk to the unfortunate
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situation ends up being that the only Prince they pull from the books are of the persons at this place of work that
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they recovered them from and because they have such strong suspicion on Harvey kerrignon they have
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no reason to suspect the persons that seem to just be a Good Samaritan trying to return these Lost Books right so it
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doesn't really give them any breadcrumbs and it also doesn't really lead them or
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build any evidence against their Prime Suspect who we know they will have Harvey Kerrigan's Prince on file because
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he's been convicted and charged so many times prior to The Disappearance of Kathy Sue Miller
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unfortunately Captain Kathy Sue Miller's body is found months later by two boys who are hiking on an Indian reservation
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North of Everett Washington right she was wrapped and bundled in a sheet of visqueen plastic
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and beaten with a heavy object believed to be possibly a hammer that left nickel-sized holes in her skull is this
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a plastic unique the plastic is not unique so this queen some of our listeners will be familiar with this
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this is the type of plastic that you would find at when like when somebody's doing a home remodeling project or
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construction project that you would buy these large sheets these large rolls of this queen and you can roll it out and
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unfold it and then you can use it kind of like Dexter to corn off a whole area and so you know in remodeling projects
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you don't get dust and debris everywhere especially when you're when you have to
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do demo and things like that this queen though is going to be a potential breadcrumb Trail
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and what's so great is this will allow them officers Homan and bowmen to get that
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search warrant that they were Desperately Seeking in the Kathy Sue Miller case so you have the body
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the visqueen becomes important because what they end up doing is they they get a call a gentleman reaches out to the
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detectives and says oh by the way I kind of know Harvey Carrigan we're kind of friends and I happen to
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give him a roll of visqueen plastic prior to when this kid went missing and they say okay great do you have
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any any that you used prior do you still happen to have any that use prior and luckily so I believe the way the story
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goes is that he used some to lay down in in the trunk of either his wife's or daughter's car so they're able to
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retrieve that now what they're hoping the detectives are hoping is that they're going to get some kind of match
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to one of the cut sides or torn sides of the visqueen that they found Kathy Sue wrapped up in
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and what happens is they compare the two and unfortunately it's not a match now that
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doesn't mean that it didn't come from the same role right it just it just means that it wasn't
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it it wasn't directly torn or cut from the sheet that they had as a sample and so this is is a bit of a Debbie Downer
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for their investigation as far as building evidence against Harvey kerrignon yeah a little bit of a letdown
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for old Homan and Bowman but because they get this search warrant they are granted permission to search his
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property and his vehicles as well as the business itself inside his vehicle they are able to take a bunch of prints
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now this is interesting too because the other part that you have here Captain is
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you now have an additional crime scene the location of where her body was found and so this is the
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to lip reservation where her body is located they find some witnesses at this reservation that described a truck that
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they had seen driving into the woods so this would be near the body recovery site right on the same day that Kathy
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Sue Miller vanished they described this vehicle as a Chevrolet camper truck yellow with black stripes and a silver
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canopy that's a pretty unique description yeah that sounds like a unique creepy camper
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Chevrolet camper truck yellow with black stripes and a silver canopy I think when
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you go to buy the the truck camper bed combo that they make sure that you have a
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criminal history or you're not allowed to buy one the thing here in this situation is that
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is a spot on description of Harvey kerrignon's truck right we get three different colors
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there we get we get the make we get the canopy silver canopy cover yep and all of that lines up on the day
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that this kid went missing so police are like okay well we have a murder case here but now we
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have the ability to check for fingerprints in this vehicle because unfortunately what you're looking for is
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you're trying to put your victim in that vehicle you want to find her fingerprints what
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they do is they pull a few prints they were palm prints off of the window pane the inside of the window pane and they
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know that they're not Harvey Kerrigan's Prince they go back to the mother with this
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information here's the problem and this happens still to this day 50 years later
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but especially a problem in 1973 and we've talked more than one time here in this garage show about the identicates
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that you can get from the FBI you can get them from our friends over at the Nick Meck the national Center for
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missing and exploited children right these are identicates to update all of your kids information this is
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fingerprints palm prints an updated picture an updated description of height and weight and eye colored hair color
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and all that stuff with your child's information this is key here and look in this situation it's not going to save
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Kathy Sue Miller unfortunately but what it could do is put her proof positive in
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the Killer's vehicle and get this monster off of the streets before he does it again
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the problem here though Captain is Kathy Sue Miller 15 years of age three weeks before her sweet 16 birthday
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had never been printed had never been fingerprinted right they pull unidentified palm prints from the inside
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the interior of this vehicle but they got nobody to match them to nobody in the system
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and they can't even compare them to their Victim Because she was never printed and by the time she's found
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she's in a state of decomposition that does not allow them to pull prints and and they took they took some great
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efforts to try to to still fingerprint her after death and they were unable to put her and
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place her in the car the other problem too is the people more within one person witnessing this very unique the three
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different colors on this vehicle the make they had it down to every description every detail that you can
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think of the problem ends up being none of these Witnesses while they saw the vehicle
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on that same day they couldn't describe the driver they they all said we never saw the driver we never saw anybody get
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in or out of the vehicle well we see this a lot with many serial killers especially back in the day because of
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less technology but it seems like these killers that are able to kill for a longer span of time
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there's a little bit of luck on their side unfortunately it's been my experience
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that the killer gets lucky and the dead victim just never ends up with much luck
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you have to believe it was never reported but I would I would be willing to bet here that they probably tried to
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find her prince in the business or at his home or decided to not go that route once they learned that she had never
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been printed you pointed it out and I second it I Echo that statement of here's these two detectives doing
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everything that they can even before it's confirmed that she was abducted or missing
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and she wasn't some runaway so what's the next step for these detectives the next step is trying to build a case
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against this guy right you want to build a case against him for Kathy Sue Miller's abduction and murder
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but if you can't they're running into dead end after dead end here the evidence is always leading them back
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to Harvey Kerrigan but not giving them enough proof to make an arrest not enough proof to
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charge him with anything and bring him in and and bring him before the courts I do want to point out something that I
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that I failed to mention earlier when we talk about the efforts that these two detectives were making against Harvey
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kerrignon even before Kathy Sue Miller's body was found they were following him when when
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they had any extra time that they not working other cases they were surveilling Harvey kerrignon
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one they were hoping that he might return to the body and that they that they would find her
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that way and that would be their Smoking Gun oh we've we followed you to the recovery site right he never did any of
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that when they were following him around and so they're trying to build this case
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against him now her body's found the evidence all leads to him but it's not proof that it was exactly him that did
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any of this now we end up having another situation very similar this is a month and a half later approximately
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where a young woman Mary Townsend is attacked she's waiting at a bus stop he approached and attacked her from
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behind knocking her unconscious she woke up and when she does she is in a vehicle with a man
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this man begins commanding sexual favors and she manages to LEAP from the vehicle
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now this is very unfortunate she was running away from home right and even though she's attacked
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and everything this guy's saying sounds like it's going to lead to a sexual assault
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she thankfully is able to escape she doesn't report this crime at the time part of it was because
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she was running away from home and so this goes unreported and then during this time this is where police
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are going to try to get their break they interview Harvey Kerrigan's family remember he's married to a woman that
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has two children and during the course of all of this we got a whole lot of stuff that's going
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on inside of the Four Walls of that home one the little boy 11 or 12 years old at
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this point Billy he decides to go and live with his father why because he says that Harvey his stepfather is physically
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abusing him beating him up right the daughter still lives there she is roughly the age of our victim Kathy Sue
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Miller she has told I I this part of the story is a little difficult for me I don't know if she's
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reporting this well after the fact or if this was known at the time but at some point she would tell others
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that she didn't like the way that her stepfather looked at her she always felt uncomfortable around him but never
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really reports that that he did anything to her unfortunately what we do know is
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happening is he is regularly getting upset with his wife and being physical and abusing her
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so his wife Alice she's in the process of trying to leave Harvey she files assault charges against him
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so the detectives are at least able to pick him up on these assault charges now unfortunately they're not going to be
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able to hold him for very long but they take him off the streets and they were hoping that this would be
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the Crux of the future case that they could build against him maybe Alice is his wife or soon to be ex-wife knows
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something about this or she can provide evidence to them but that's not going to go the way the
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detectives want it to go no because at some point Harvey's going to convince her
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that they should be together and that she should drop the charges now what ultimately ends up happening
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is that she doesn't decide to go back with him so he Harvey Kerrigan again this is
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incredibly shocking to me he ends up finding another woman to date she's 29 years old
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29 years old Elaine Hundley and they strike up this relationship and they move out to Minnesota remember he
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he had been in Minnesota prior to going to Seattle Washington right the detectives tell him look you shouldn't
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be leaving the state we're investigating you for several different crimes one including murder
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and he says you don't have a choice I have to work he decides to sell the gas station he
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moves to Minnesota and it's obvious to detectives that he's trying to duck these charges
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go to a place where they have no jurisdiction and they've not been able to build a case against him yet
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and once in Minnesota they are living together him and Elaine Huntley are living together
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at some point she decides to break off this relationship I don't know why exactly she decides to break off the
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relationship but we do know that he was physically abusive to his two prior wives oh he's fugly right right you
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better have a nice personality when you look like Harvey kerrignon it's hard to he's hard to look at
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she breaks off the relationship and then Presto Chango poof disappears I mean he
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is so fugly that he kind of hurts your eyes it's like stings a little bit I'm unsure how they narrowed down this date
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I'm sure that Elaine Hundley probably told some of her friends or family what was going on in their relationship
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but the report is that she left Harvey kerrignon on August 9 1974. this is after their already settled down living
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in Minnesota she leaves him August 9th of 1974. it's reported that she's missing had
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disappeared the next day unfortunately Elaine Hundley her body would be found a little under five weeks later
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and she had been murdered her skull she was beat so badly that her skull had imploded by blows to the Head
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and she had been raped with an object in a tree branch and that was rather obvious during the autopsy
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of course that is going to now put Harvey kerrignon under the microscope in the state of Minnesota
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all right we are back cheers mates tall cans in the air he's back and I'm out to
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lunch yeah it's been out to lunch for years this brings us to September of 1974 on our
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timeline here captain when a young woman her name is Gwen Burton she's picked up from a Sears
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parking lot this is because she's having car trouble and a man who she thought might be helpful a Good Samaritan
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decides to stop and offer her assistance he gets out of his vehicle takes a look
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at her vehicle and says look I can help you out here but I don't have the tools needed to take care and fix the problem
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if you hop in the vehicle with me we can go to my house real quick pick up the tools I'll fix up your car and send you
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on your way right so Gwen thinks here we got a situation where maybe someone's come to help me
00:33:59
and she gets in the vehicle and she realizes look this ride seems very long why would this guy why would anybody
00:34:08
agree to help me if if we got to go so far away to get to his home just to get these tools right
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so she starts feeling uncomfortable and and says to him look could you please just return me to my
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car you don't have to fix the car it was nice of you to to attempt it was nice of
00:34:26
you to try to help me out but you know you make excuses I'm in a hurry or any reason to get out of that vehicle at
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this point because she's now getting very nervous and she doesn't feel like we're going to his house to retrieve
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tools take me back to my vehicle at some point she starts telling the man or you could
00:34:46
just let me out here and I'll figure it out I'll I'll find my way back to my car
00:34:50
or to my home it is then that he refuses to let her out of the vehicle and he gets physical
00:34:58
with her ripping off of her ripping off her clothing and he's choking her in the vehicle
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he then takes her to a field where he sexually assaults her with a hammer and then beats her with said Hammer
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and flees the area unbeknownst to the man Gwen Burton survives bloodied and close to death she crawls
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to help well to have the strength to keep going sometimes the will to live is stronger
00:35:39
than the will to die so that was September 14th now this will bring us up to September
00:35:46
18th four days later we have two teenage girls who are walking on the side of the
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road when they are approached by a man in a vehicle and he offers them he offers to pay them 25 each and what he
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is requesting is that he needs to go retrieve his son's vehicle from an a location that he may have told
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to the girls I'm unclear on that but he's saying look the problem is I'm by myself I'm flying solo here I need
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somebody else to Drive either my vehicle or his vehicle once I get to it I will pay you each 25 it won't take
00:36:25
long it his vehicle is only a couple miles down the road this seems like Easy Money a lot of money at the time for the
00:36:32
girls and so they say yes they get into the vehicle with this man that they do not know
00:36:39
and after they're driving for a while again he's he's now going out into out into the country out to the sticks
00:36:48
and they're starting to wonder like this seems a lot further than what he had told us and one of them questions the
00:36:54
man and says look where are we going this doesn't make a lot of sense this is a lot further than you had said and we
00:37:02
we have things to do we you know our parents are going to be looking for us at some point
00:37:07
and the man says to the two teenage girls would you rather be killed or would you
00:37:15
rather be raped and the one girl nudges the other girl and speaks up for both of them and says
00:37:24
we would rather be killed the other girl agrees and says we would rather be killed when the man finally
00:37:32
stops the vehicle he instructs the girls that one of them is to stay with his vehicle and the other is to go with him
00:37:40
to retrieve his son's vehicle unfortunately for the girl who agrees to go with this man I believe
00:37:52
she agreed to go with the man to spare her friend this trip this walking trip away from
00:38:00
his vehicle is going to take them into the woods which of course these are teenage girls they're not
00:38:06
idiots they're wondering why there's no way this guy's kids son's vehicle was in the woods no
00:38:14
but I believe she went with him simply to spare her friend yeah I mean I think once once he poses
00:38:22
the question rape would you rather be raped or killed I think they know that they're not going
00:38:28
anywhere I think at that point they know everything before that question was a ruse exactly and here's the weird thing
00:38:36
though what we would learn is it said that he didn't say that in like of like a threatening manner even though just
00:38:43
those words in themselves are threatening but they said that he almost posed it like a philosophical question right
00:38:52
a hypothetical of some some sort regardless now she's in the woods with this guy and and he does physically
00:39:00
attack her he he hits her with a hammer and then for unknown reasons there he decides to let her live
00:39:15
and he gets in his vehicle and he drives off leaving the two girls there now what
00:39:21
we end up having here Captain is in the course of these four days we end up having three different people three
00:39:27
different young ladies that come forward and go to police and they describe the vehicle
00:39:32
that they were in they describe the man that they had had talked to he we what we would ultimately
00:39:40
learn is he used a fake name on both occasions when introducing himself and talking with the the victims that were
00:39:48
in his vehicle but unfortunately this does not lead to an arrest fast enough because on
00:39:55
September 20th 1974 two days later 18 year old Catherine Schultz disappeared her body was found the very next day in
00:40:04
a cornfield she had been beaten to death with a hammer so badly that her skull had imploded and
00:40:12
they knew that she had been sexually assaulted but not in a traditional rape manner that she
00:40:20
had been assaulted with an object okay so we're starting a lot of these things are starting to align where you have
00:40:28
these victims that survive these attacks and they're describing attacks that are
00:40:32
very similar to the ones that we end up knowing led to the death of Catherine Schultz
00:40:39
and Elaine Hundley Elaine Hundley was in the relationship living with Harvey kerrignan
00:40:46
all of this will lead to them securing a search warrant for his vehicle in Minnesota when they search his vehicle
00:40:54
underneath the seat they find maps to several different states and they find like
00:41:00
it's all it's described almost as like a hairball or a clump of hair but but the
00:41:05
hair is not all belonging to the one person right and so what detectives in Minnesota
00:41:10
believe is that this is the hair of several different victims that found its way either under the seat or matted into
00:41:18
the seat but these maps are of extreme interest to the detectives because that has many locations that are circled
00:41:26
in different states now we already covered that Harvey Carrington lived in Alaska he lived in the state of
00:41:32
Washington and he's lived in Minnesota well what they find is two of the locations that are circled on
00:41:41
those Maps one of them they know to have been the location where 15 year old Kathy Sue
00:41:49
Miller's body was recovered from in the state of Washington the other thing that they noticed too
00:41:57
is that one of the circles on that map for the state of Washington is where they found the body
00:42:06
of a victim that we previously mentioned but did not go through the story and that is of Laura Leslie Brock
00:42:18
remember she was a woman who went missing just 70 days approximately 70 days after
00:42:26
Kathy Sue Miller went missing right so the story behind this Captain is on Thursday September 14 1972 the body of a
00:42:36
young woman 20 year old Laura Leslie Brock who was a sophomore at Western Washington State College was
00:42:43
found in Coupeville Washington down a dirt road about one half mile west of Oak Harbor the body was nude except for
00:42:52
a pair of navy blue socks she had been raped and died from severe hemorrhaging from several very brutal blows to the
00:43:00
head with an undetermined object the body was found on the 14th and then later identified on Tuesday September 19
00:43:07
1972. authorities found a note at Miss Brock's rooming house right that she was leaving for the beach and she spoke with
00:43:18
her grandmother prior to leaving and by all accounts her intention was to hitchhike
00:43:23
we can confirm this based on the fact that her grandmother told her in that conversation do not hitchhike and warned
00:43:29
her of the dangers of hitching right and Laura explained to her mother her grandmother that it's legal to do so and
00:43:37
that she was in fact going to hitchhike to the beach she was going from Bellingham Washington to the Olympic
00:43:43
Peninsula this is one of those cautionary tales that all parents tell children and that friends warn one
00:43:50
another about saying things like remember Laura Brock her first hitchhiking trip was her last
00:43:57
this case became political at the state level in fact this is one of the policies that was in debate for a few
00:44:05
years in the state of Washington we have Jim costanti running for state senator pointing out that Senator Senator
00:44:14
Peterson voted for what costanti's team was calling a legislative tragedy bad judgment for government is what he
00:44:23
called it so well just because something's legal like she was telling her grandma doesn't mean
00:44:30
that it's safe exactly and here's that's the exact problem so oddly enough legislation made hitchhiking legal in
00:44:39
the state of Washington that year the very year that she goes missing and she's later found dead with this
00:44:45
horrific event the goal then became two-fold for the state one any crime involving a hitchhiker to be sent to the
00:44:52
state police and two make hitchhiking illegal again in the state but to your point Captain listen to this
00:45:00
statistic Washington State Police and the Seattle Washington Police Department reported that over the course of about
00:45:07
15 months that once hitchhiking became legal in mid 1972 the stats are that the state of Washington averaged about 20
00:45:17
hitchhiking related crimes per month two of which resulted in Murder it's too many one is the Laura Brock
00:45:26
case that we talked about in September of 72 and the other is Catherine Mary Devine's murder in November
00:45:34
other crimes related to hitchhiking range from robbery to rape so not good Bob now note that Harvey was
00:45:42
never charged with Laura Brock's murder and in fact no one else has ever been charged in her murder either
00:45:50
but Harvey kerrignon all these years later 51 years later Remains the prime suspect in Laura
00:45:58
Brock's murder based on the fact that he received a speeding ticket in the area where her body was found right around
00:46:05
the time that she went missing on top of that we also have a witness who claimed
00:46:10
that they saw Lord get into a vehicle that when they provided the description to police matched Harvey Kerrigan's
00:46:18
truck but like we said sometimes these killers get unlucky but this killer is also just
00:46:25
dumb I mean he has a very unique paint job and color scheme of the vehicle he's using to abduct
00:46:36
these women yes in this situation you know he's he's getting lucky time and time again because they have a lot of
00:46:43
signs they being the authorities law enforcement detectives they have a lot of signs pointing directly to Harvey
00:46:49
Kerrigan and a lot of this but they don't have any direct evidence until they find these Maps now what they're
00:46:56
going to do is they're going to build a circumstantial case a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Harvey
00:47:02
Kerrigan in the Minnesota cases the two cases that we circled back to Kathy Sue Miller and Laura Brock's cases
00:47:10
they took place in Washington just a couple years prior to what would ultimately be Harvey kerrignan being
00:47:19
arrested and interviewed interrogated by the Minnesota police what ultimately happens here Captain is
00:47:28
he gets an attorney and Harvey Carrigan then tells police yeah the Minnesota crimes that you're
00:47:37
charging me with because he the problem he's facing here is those three living Witnesses right he
00:47:43
might get lucky and the murders that he caused because unfortunately he silenced those victims
00:47:50
and they're not there to put him away but the three living Witnesses are and he ultimately tells the detectives
00:48:02
I did what you say that I did his defense insanity he says God told him to kill those women
00:48:13
now the good thing here is that this horrible evil man will 100 percent be off of the streets
00:48:24
it's where do we send him to right an Institute or a prison this thing goes to trial and they were
00:48:36
very smart here on on a few different levels so they they charge him with attempted murder in aggravated sodomy
00:48:43
and he's going to have to go to trial for those charges first before he will face any of the murder charges in court
00:48:52
and he puts together this defense of God told me to kill the horse and these women that I assaulted were
00:49:02
horse and I tell you what this guy this is what strikes me about Harvey kerrignon
00:49:09
he comes off as this kind of oaf like this dumb oaf like and part of that is his appearance and part of that is his
00:49:16
delivery in the way his speech the way that he talks but unfortunately he's not an unintelligent man he he is
00:49:28
intelligent enough that while on the surface this God told me to do it defense sounds absolutely crazy and sounds so
00:49:38
backwards but Harvey takes to the stand he's going to testify at court and he does a pretty good job I've
00:49:47
reviewed the transcripts and in fact if you read the one ad killer book by the great and Rule
00:49:55
she goes through large portions of that trial he takes to the stand and he goes one on
00:50:02
one with the prosecutor Toe to Toe and one thing that is so bizarre but again he knows he's being locked up it's
00:50:11
just where are you going to send him to but he's going to play the part he should
00:50:18
maybe you give him the Oscar I don't know but when he's on the stand they point to uh one of the women that's
00:50:25
there at court who he almost killed they point to [Music] they point to Gwen Burton
00:50:37
the poor woman that he picked up from the Sears parking lot offered to help that he nearly Beat to Death In fact we
00:50:43
know captain that when he left her there in that field he believes she was already dead
00:50:49
she crawls to safety and later is facing him in court and you know what he says he says you
00:50:57
know what yeah not only did God tell me to kill her but given the chance again I would
00:51:04
finish the job he says that on the stand at trial in front of the jury this is meant to be a tactic to convince
00:51:15
the jury that God is actually telling him to kill the horse what they what they trip him up on is
00:51:24
all of the sexual assault that she had to experience before he attempted to kill her
00:51:31
he gets convicted of the attempted murder and aggravated sodomy charges and then we're going to
00:51:38
follow that up with early the next year 1975 when Harvey Carrigan is then found guilty on both uh sorry
00:51:48
then we're going to follow up that then we are going to follow that up with the following year in 1975 when he is
00:51:56
charged with second-degree murder and first degree murder and then found guilty on those charges based off of a
00:52:05
mountain of evidence and this defense of God told me to do it one tactic that I thought was really
00:52:14
interesting here captain and this is very mind hunter-ish this is something that the first
00:52:20
generation of mine Hunters would would tell you to do Harvey kerrignon did not like the two
00:52:28
detectives that stayed on his tail so much back in Seattle Washington Omen and Bowman Dwayne Homan and William Bowman
00:52:37
he did not like them the Minnesota authorities the prosecutor reached out to the two detectives and
00:52:45
said please reach out to the Seattle Police Department please would you send one or both of the detectives to sit at
00:52:53
the trial just to unnerve Harvey kerrignon just so he has to see one or both of the detectives that he
00:53:01
despised so much for following and tailing him all that time and basically running him out of Seattle
00:53:08
Washington he fled that area he makes it look like it was because of a relationship and a job opportunity but
00:53:14
he had a successful business in Seattle Washington sure enough they put one of the
00:53:19
detectives in the courtroom at trial but again the size of this man and the fear that this man instilled
00:53:28
into others and we've talked about this before Captain it's rare that members of
00:53:33
law enforcement especially seasoned detectives are afraid of a certain Criminal one of the detectives did go to the
00:53:41
trial but he told he told the prosecutor and the police out in Minnesota he goes I will go
00:53:49
because it will help you at trial and I want to see this guy put away especially
00:53:54
because we weren't able to put him away here for murders we know he committed but you have to promise me that I get an
00:54:02
aisle seat because I've seen Harvey kerrignon mad and angry and upset and if he gets that
00:54:09
way when he sees me I don't want anything standing between me and the door foreign
00:54:26
[Music] the Hammer's luck would finally run out at the age of 95 years old he would die in prison
00:54:43
yes unfortunately Harvey kerrignon was never sentenced to death again after getting off of that charge for killing
00:54:51
Showalter way back in 1949 and so he is convicted sentenced to life in prison at the age of 49. so
00:55:03
think about that for a minute 30-year time span roughly that this man was out and killing and we believe five
00:55:12
murdered victims probably more and I say that just based off of the randomness of
00:55:19
his crimes and the time period that he committed these crimes he's at the simplest form he's picking up a stranger
00:55:26
on the side of the road and then assaulting and killing them and then just leaving them out in the open he's
00:55:33
he's your typical disorganized killer serial killer charged and convicted of three murders definitely did five in my
00:55:42
humble garage opinion probably more he died in March of 2013. so 50 years after he killed 15 year old
00:55:54
Kathy Sue Miller he was diagnosed with he was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 1997 and lived all of these years in Oak
00:56:04
Park Heights prison in Minnesota until passing away this year I want to thank everybody for joining us here in the
00:56:11
garage this week Colonel do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners yes we do Captain this week
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