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crime running just let me save you be running just let me SA [Music] you're rning just let me save
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you be rning just let me say you [Music] you 5-year-old lyanna Marie Warner lived
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with her parents in the remote Iron Range area of northern Minnesota this entire area has been
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mined for iron for decades and there are miles of abandoned or mines pits and lakes created by mining the area has
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mountains of iron ore tailings and miles and miles of undisturbed forest it has been described by people from the area
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as a vast and endless area of nothingness the town of Chisum was founded as a mining settlement in this area the chipa
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walk called Ru Earth it's about 3 hours north of Minneapolis lyanna lived in the
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town of Chisum Minnesota a small town of about 5,300 people the Warner family home was a gry stucco duplex located in
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a friendly neighborhood with treine blocks of houses in the developed residential area near the iron
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mines the neighborhood bordered a lake longear lake which was a recreation spot for those who lived in the town
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according to everyone who lived there even in 2003 Chisum was sort of a throwback was a small community where
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kids played freely outside neighbors were friendly and bad stuff just didn't happen lyanna Warner who was 5 years old
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with brown hair and brown eyes was known as [ __ ] to almost everyone the story is that her parents nicknamed her [ __ ]
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because when she was born she reminded them of a little bean pod the name stuck and family friends and neighbors all
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called her by this nickname she was 3' 2 in tall and weighed 48 lb lyanna had a mole on her
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left leg just above her ankle lyanna was described as an outgoing loving little girl who adored
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dolls Rugrats Barbies and babies there is video footage taken by her parents available online she was an
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adorable normal 5-year-old little lyanna went missing on a warm Midsummer Saturday afternoon from
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an area in a neighborhood where bad stuff did not happen the date was June 14th 2003 little lyanna walked down the
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street to play with her friend and is never seen again for 18 years her family has held out hope but not a trace of her
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has ever been found how does a child disappear in thin air seemingly Vanishing in an instant
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off of the face of the Earth this is true crime garage and this is the case of lyanna
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Warner just let me save you be rning just let me sa [Music] you Saturday June 14th 2003 lyanna and
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her mom kin had hit some yard sales where lyanna bought a heart-shaped pillow then they spent the rest of the
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summer day enjoying the lake in early interviews lyanna's mom said that they went to the lake swam and played with
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friends and relatives and returned home around 4:30 p.m. after the day at longear Lake lyanna like most
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5-year-olds would be well she was tired from running around in the Sun and fell asleep in the car on the way home when
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they got to their house located at 19 Southwest 2 Street lyanna woke up while her mom was busy unloading the stuff
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they had bought from the yard sales from the car and making trips in and out of the house lyanna asked if she could walk
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around the corner to their neighbor's house this is The Quirk family their little girls Janine ag4 and Melissa ag3
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were great friends of lyanna's apparently lyanna hung out with Janine and Melissa almost every day so even
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though lyanna's mom would have preferred that little [ __ ] come inside and rest
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for a bit kayin said yes go ahead it was totally standard procedure for lyanna to
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walk over to the quirks to play kayn did tell the media later that she told lyanna to come back home in a half an
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hour although how a 5-year-old would have any concept of half of an hour is questionable Katie Quirk Janine and
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Melissa's mother said that lyanna was a daily visitor to The Quirk house in fact
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lyanna was over at their home the night before on June 13th she had come over by
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herself around 7:15 p.m. and watched a movie with the family in any event on this Saturday lyanna got out of the car
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and walked down the block and around the corner when her mom last saw her she was
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wearing a dark blue sleeveless denim dress with a belt orange hannes undies and a flower petal earring with a red
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garnet in the middle in her pierced right ear the reports say that she was not wearing any shoes which would be in
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line with a little girl who just got back from a day of swimming but the shoes will come up again later now the
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quirks lived just a few houses away maybe a block to the South lyanna would have to cross an alley to get there and
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it was around the corner one article said that it would take an average adult walking at a normal Pace no more than
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two minutes to get from the Warners to the quirks as short as the walk was though lyanna was not in the sight line
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of her mother for the entirety of the walk and no one is really sure how long it was before anyone noticed that she
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was gone so Leana walks off Barefoot and kayn goes inside the Warner's home after
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she says watching lyanna as she walked down their street toward her friend's home until she went around the corner
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two neighbors report seeing lyanna walking that day the information that one of them gave police tells us
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something important lyanna did not go inside the quirk's house this neighbor who was either outside doing something
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or looking out the window told police that lyanna climbed the steps to the quirk's home knocked on the door she
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knocked a few times but no one answered it was later confirmed that the quirks were not home that afternoon the
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neighbor reports that after no one answered the door lyanna turned around and started to walk back toward her home
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but at this point the neighbor stopped watching presumably there was nothing remarkable about this scene since we
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know that lyanna was often seen walking to and from the quirk's home we know that kids were all over the neighborhood
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and it seems that children were allowed to walk around unsupervised the Chisum Mayor John
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shampa lived in the neighborhood about a block from the Warners and said that lyanna quote liked to run around the
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neighborhood but never went far so apparently lyanna was known to wander around and clearly the Warners allowed
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this the neighbor was in the midst of doing something while observing the door knocking and lyanna not getting admitted
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into the quirk's house and the neighbor turned away and didn't watch anymore which is such an incredible tragedy if
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only the neighbor had watched L continue on her walk she may have never have vanished but this case being said in
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2003 if it was set in today's time we would have ring cameras and and so many more houses have security cameras that
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face the streets so we would have a better picture or a better surveillance of what happened to Leanne and
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unfortunately if an abduction did take place it may have ended up on one of those ring video footage cameras or a
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Simply Safe video camage video camera footage yeah some news reports say that lyanna was seen in the
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area around 6:00 p.m. walking West others say more specifically that she was seen walking West on Southwest 2 or
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third streets and there were also reports that one neighbor actually spoke with lyanna and one article says she was
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seen petting a dog but not all the reports contain all of this information and as we've seen the timeline on all of
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this is fuzzy police said later that their investigation was hampered by all of the wiggle room in the timeline kin
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reported initially that she started to wonder where lyanna was around 6:00 p.m. we know that lyanna's Dad Chris Warner
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went out on an ambulance run at 6:21 p.m. he was a volunteer with the Chisum Ambulance Service and it seems that at
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that time he did not know that his daughter was missing so so it seems likely that kin actually noticed lyanna
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being gone later than this we're going to throw a few questions and wrenches into this timeline as we go because I
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think it's right to do so the first question that's probably spinning around in everybody's mind is why are you
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letting a child this young walk to a neighbor's house right that's the first thing I question as well and it seemed
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odd to me that kayn originally says when they get back to their home her daughter
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lyanna wants to go down to their friend's house and then she tells originally she tells her no but then the
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kid does some convincing and she says yes but be back in in a half an hour which seems to me like a why even bother
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kind of situation but I really started thinking back to when I was would have been six or seven years old I maybe not
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five I can't remember but I can remember the distance that we're talking about traveling here I can remember walking by
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myself or with a with a brother or with a friend friend no parent no supervision
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from adults from my house down to my friend's house on the corner Tim and Vince and regularly making that trip and
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it was literally passing like three houses and so I think what we have here Captain is a situation where I think
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it's right to question it the little girl is 5 years old but we have her mom her father and the quirks family the
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adults of that home saying this was an everyday thing this was you know as normal as could be the yeah but it's
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different to allow your child to walk down there but just step outside visually see them make it into the house
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if you were a parent and you drove your kid to their friend's house you wouldn't
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just go hey honey thanks get out of the car and once they leave the car you don't speed away you you wait until you
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see them enter the house right I'm just saying that could have done the same thing here agreed but in
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this situation we have kin who says she watched lyan walked down the street until she could no longer see her
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because she has to make a turn and again I question this too but then I'd have to
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question my own parents because I know I was doing about the same thing I think what we have here too Captain is a
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situation where a lot of kids in the neighborhood are going about their business and having fun unsupervised it
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seemed to be a pretty normal thing and then you top that off with a town of only 5,000 people I think a small town
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sometimes is plays a bad role in some of these cases I think sometimes the small
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town provides a false sense of security to parents and to children and to everyone involved and like I try to tell
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other people you know that they say oh so you live in a bad neighborhood or or this area is ter terrible and yes that's
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true you do have higher crime rates in bad areas quote unquote bad areas but again look at Sandy Hook that was
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considered one of the nicest safest neighborhoods in America right not in the state not in that county in America
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and if something bad is going to happen if there's a bad person out there it can happen anywhere can only happen
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in America and like you were stating Kaylin was saying you can be gone but for just a little while and so once she
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noticed that she's hasn't come back in a little while she starts getting a little
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concerned yeah her first reaction as soon as she notices lyanna is not home you know didn't return home as she
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should have kayin walks down to the quirk's home herself but then that's when she finds out that no one is home
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right so according to kayn she started canvasing the neighborhood assuming that lyanna had just wandered to someone
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else's yard or home and again this kind of plays into what even the mayor of Chisum was saying
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that he would often see the little girl hanging out you know going about the neighborhood looking for friends looking
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for people to talk to and hang out and play with I also wondered if it's a possibility that she got turned around
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and when she came back got a little confused on which house was actually hers yeah it's weird when kids have kind
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of the run of the neighborhood is what I see in this situation again thinking back to my childhood I lived on a court
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when in my younger years and I felt like I don't know remember what the rules were laid down by my parents but I know
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the way I behaved was kind of like well as long as I'm still somewhere in this court I won't get in any trouble you
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know so I would walk freely between front yards backyards and there was even a wooded area that I would often go into
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without permission so that's I just kind of see a very similar situation here this is not just a small community but
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this is a tight-knit neighborhood itself Chris Warner joined his wife in the search for lyanna when he got home from
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his ambulance run this is said to be around 7:40 p.m. he said that they were walking around the neighborhood calling
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for her and they started to get scared kayn returned to the Cork's home looking for lyanna again at 8:30 p.m. this time
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finding them home but they had not seen lyanna at this whole point right the 911
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call from kayn Warner came in at 8:4 88: p.m. by this point lyanna was missing for more than 3
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hours the official search for lyanna began extremely promptly and I think a lot of this has to do with the age of
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the child the St Louis County Rescue Squad set up a command center and organized searches within about an hour
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of receiving that 911 call by late Saturday night police sent out a helicopter that was equipped with an
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infrared tracing system that could pinpoint body heat in the night neighbors also pitched in the quirks
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reported that they all went out to help look for lyanna around 9:00 p.m. by Sunday morning a major search was
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underway that day over 300 people joined in the search for lyanna including Town
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residents neighbors and Friends of the little girl the search started at the Warner home and worked its way outward
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looking in all the places a child could hide or get stuck or trapped this would be sheds but boat houses boats yards
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sewers Barns and vacant houses mhm searches were also done of some of the mine pits swamps Wells and other hazards
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in the Iron Range topography do you know if they had scent dogs on scene they did
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blood hounds were sent in relatively quickly I believe that they arrived either that night or the the very next
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morning I have that in my notes and I promise we'll get to that Captain we did have a Statewide alert that was issued
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on Sunday Morning by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal apprehension M BCA is their acronym we'll we'll reference them
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later and the Minnesota Crime Alert Network faxed information about lyanna to over 8,000 businesses and law
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enforcement agencies however no Amber Alert was issued and this is because uh Chisum police chief Scott
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Ericson stated Amber Alerts were appropriate when there was evidence of an abduction and there wasn't here and
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we've seen that in other cases they have a recommended criteria for when States should use the Amber Alert System they
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don't tell you you know they don't they don't box you in and say this is the only time you should use it they give
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you recommendations for the state and one of the recommendations is that you have a suspect or vehicle description
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and unfortunately in lyanna's case we we have people who see her knocking on the
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door of her friend's house we have people that see her walking away from her friend's house and then we never see
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anything after that mhm we don't have a situation where we have a screaming little girl being pulled into a vehicle
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or somebody snatching her up and somebody seeing it we just don't have that we have no ear Witnesses or
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eyewitnesses to what happened to this little girl after she's seen walking away from her friend's house yeah and I
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don't know what else they would call it but I think in this situation when you have a missing child whether they are
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abducted or not how can it hurt to send these alerts out to have people on the lookout for even if it's just simply the
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age hair color the gender that's it it couldn't hurt well I agree but I mean they did send out these alerts it's just
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what title are you tagging this thing right they I mean they issued a Statewide alert alert by the Bureau of
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Criminal apprehension and they issued a Crime Alert the Minnesota Crime Alert Network
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issued an alert as well I mean it this went out Statewide they just didn't call it an amber alert because it didn't meet
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the criteria for technical name like the amber alert requires it seems that at least early in
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the situation police knew that lyanna's reputation was as a Wanderer you know as
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they said and assume that lyanna had just kind of wandered off or gotten lost or stuck or maybe had some accident
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Beall her Erikson said that on Sunday this is the chief that there was nothing indicating Foul Play Chief Ericson held
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a press conference on Sunday night and described lyanna as an energetic outgoing little girl you asked about
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dogs captain dogs were used in the search and they tracked lyanna's scent to the edge of a Road at longear Lake
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about two blocks from her house but then they tracked back to the Warner home they did not track to the quirk's house
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police found a partial footprint Lakeside that could have been lyanna's but we know that Lana was at the lake
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that day and that she had ridden her two wheeel bike to the lake in the past later reports this is bizarre to me
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later Reports say police decided that the footprint was in fact from a different deck
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I'm not sure how they can tell this footprint was old or that it could May was a different shoe and then they knew
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which shoes she was wearing that day yeah I they describe it as a footprint um oh not a shoe print a foot yeah I
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mean it could have been a shoe print this is one of those things that they seem to have come to a lot of decisions
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and made up you know they seem to have a good understanding of what it is that they were seeing or what they found but
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they don't offer a great description to the rest of the world World about it it do you find it a little odd that there
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was no scent towards her friend's house I do and I don't right because here's the problem with the with the dogs the
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dogs are one only as good as they have been trained and their understanding of what their job is we forgot to tell you
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that their Handler showed up drunk well and I was going to say they're also only
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as good as the Handler so you're already throwing a lot of variables in there I think they're very helpful and some
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cases and in other cases can be a little tricky I mean the here's the problem with the
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dogs in this situation do I find it odd that they didn't go to The Quirk house 100%
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1,000% but we have two eyewitnesses that saw the girl there so we know she was there so the in my opinion the dogs are
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just not accurate in this situation the other thing too in regards to the footprint or shoe print or what have you
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yes maybe there could be it rained the day before or you know given the weather outside how hot it is and such that
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would help you determine how old the footprint or shoe print is but the other issue I take with that
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Captain is this Lake as we referenced in the trailer this Lake was frequented by
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everybody in that neighborhood this was a Saturday in the summertime if anybody is out there thinking that that lyanna
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and her mom and her sister were the only three people at that Lake that day well
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you you can tune into to another show cuz you don't belong here in the garage there were probably dozens if not more
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people at the lake that very day on Sunday Searchers waited up to their waist in the murky Lake to no avail the
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search continued on Monday with large groups of volunteers and lyanna's parents made a televised plea for her to
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come home her father Chris said quote please [ __ ] come home we miss you we're never going to stop looking for
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you end quote St Louis County Sheriff Ross Litman said there was no reason to believe acquaintances or family members
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would have taken the girl he cited a trouble-free home and no evidence of a stranger abduction but law enforcement
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was acutely aware that the small town of friendly residents had also been the sight of two events that brought Out of
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Towners to Chisum on that very weekend in June first we have the rock the range Music Festival that had brought in lots
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of people and there was also the United Way ride the range motorcycle fundraiser
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reports state that these events could have brought more than 1,000 people into this small town so think about that
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population increase just for that weekend the weekend that this little girl goes missing MH 5,3 residents in
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the town of Chisum that weekend it's estimated that there were 6,300 and so people in the area Festival
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goers were permitted to camp at the Old Glenn mine site it would be impossible to track down everyone who attended
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these events law enforcement did what they could do to track down people that may have attended these events they use
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Motel gas station and Campground records to get names of people who attended these events and question them well no
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we see this all the time in other missing cases look at like the Joey leuk case guy goes missing when there's a
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huge the Arnold Classic is in town mhm so again when you have those outer Towners it's really hard to vet every
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single person that was there mhm and if anybody was still in the area that came in for these events
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the police asked to check their RVs in their campsites obviously looking for lyanna or any sign of her police also
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started looking into known sex offenders in the area on Tuesday authorities were
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still treating Leanna's case as a search rather than a rescue or recovery although they hadn't ruled out abduction
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Sheriff Litman said he felt it was unlikely that lyanna was in the lake and he believed lyanna could have survived s
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2 hours in the woods on the Iron Range she was known to be pretty adventurous her grandfather Butch Warner said that
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if necessary she would very likely drink from mud puddles if she had to and she had been known to eat army worms I don't
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know if that was off of a dare or if this is just one really hungry kid that girl likes worms it's been raining for
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days here in Columbus and it smells like worms outside the search radius smell like warms here's the other thing too is
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you know my thought goes instantly when you have a situation where she's she's seeing close to the home you start then
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questioning the parents right M and now my issue with the investigation is and look we're going to argue with people to
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the death about polygraph tests but to me you bring them in for questioning and you have them take a polygraph test mhm
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just to see where it stands they didn't do that here and I know that they weren't suspect but it's like I think
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you just do it to you know you know cross your teas and Dot your eyes well and the other thing Captain is that's
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your best opportunity right if you're hoping to catch somebody even if it is the parents that you suspect you get
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really one shot at that you know the the investigation is only in the early stages at one point in the inv tigation
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and to me I would think that that's when whomever you sit down across the table from and who you are asking them the
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tough questions that's when I think they would be the most nervous be it parents
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relative neighborhood person any type of suspect I would think that fresh and early that's when they're going to be
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the most nervous and that's when they are going to show those physical signs of deception or at least anxiety of not
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wanting to speak with you so I'm right with you there Captain I feel like that could have been while I'm not very
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suspicious of the parents here I feel like that was kind of a missed opportunity we've said this in the past
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even if you're not suspicious let's go ahead and cross one more thing off of our list if we can't figure out who did
00:31:44
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by T-Mobile and Verizon May [Music] 2023 all right we're back you filthy animals cheers to everybody out there
00:34:19
cheers to all the post workers cheers to all the school bus drivers that are going to be bringing the kids back to
00:34:27
school yeah cheers to all the people in the back tall cans in the air now regards to in regards to lanna's shoes
00:34:36
mhm because that's a weird part of this story and frankly I don't know what to make of it so we're going to lay it out
00:34:43
here for all of you and you can decide for yourself but one or two articles address the shoes being found on the
00:34:50
stoop at the quirk's house and kayn Warner her mother stated to the media that lyanna shoes were in fact found
00:34:59
there and no one could explain that or why well there's eyewitnesses that saw her Barefoot right
00:35:07
correct it's the shoes thing is a whole weird thing to me we don't know when these shoes were supposedly found all
00:35:16
the reports say that lyanna had walked away from her house Barefoot it would certainly be strange if somehow her
00:35:22
shoes had been placed there by someone else obviously I think it's more likely that she probably just carried them with
00:35:29
her when she got out of the car and her mother didn't notice that she was carrying her shoes right and then maybe
00:35:37
lyanna forgot them when she turned away from the house I mean she's five she if she set them down by herself and if in
00:35:45
fact that's where they were found and I don't have any reason to believe that that's not the case I just I don't know
00:35:52
why the child would set her shoes down yeah let's walk through this real quick she would well yeah but she'd put her
00:35:57
shoes down so she could ring the doorbell or knock on the door nobody answers when she turns back around to
00:36:04
leave then she forgets the she she may have simply forgot them right by Wednesday with no sign of lyanna Hope
00:36:12
was beginning to fade for the first time members of the public began to seriously
00:36:16
consider the abduction Theory a local daycare center owner said that in a newspaper article that she hired an
00:36:22
extra person to help watch the kids in her care and she'd like police to publicize the names of local registered
00:36:30
sex offenders police said that they had checked all of the known local sex offenders by this point in their search
00:36:37
for the little girl again I hate to bring this up but like you said there's a event that's bringing all these people
00:36:43
and there's a percentage of those people that are pedos well and this timeline is
00:36:48
going to keep getting adjusted especially during this first week which a timeline is very crucial to not only
00:36:56
the search for this girl but any type of investigation you're not just investigating if a when you know that a
00:37:02
crime has happened here you're investigating if a crime occurred right and so the timeline is going to be
00:37:11
crucial I mean that is your Bible at this point in the case when you have no evidence and you don't really have any
00:37:18
leads on what could have happened to this girl as an investigator that timeline is your Bible now police
00:37:25
interviews in canvases the neighborhood did bring some new information to light to their search the timeline was
00:37:32
adjusted to indicate that lyanna had left home closer to 5:30 on Saturday and you say well
00:37:40
earlier you said 4:30 now the investigators are saying 5:30 again they said at the very beginning of this case
00:37:48
that the wiggle room in the timeline has always hampered their investigation as we heard someone in the neighborhood
00:37:55
said that they had seen her walking West at close to 6:00 p.m. authorities requested that everyone in the area
00:38:03
check their own properties to make sure the little girl was not at their property the family made a public
00:38:10
statement thanking all of the Searchers saying they were iron Rangers a strong compassionate resourceful people who
00:38:17
know the meaning of Faith presumably this means that they were drawing on their strength and not giving up hope
00:38:25
lyanna's grandfather talked to the media describing his granddaughter as an inquisitive child who is not afraid of
00:38:31
anything he said her outgoing nature and free spirit could have gotten her into trouble the implication was that lyanna
00:38:39
was trusting and friendly and might innocently be lured by the wrong person the parents of other children in the
00:38:46
neighborhood the grandfather they're all describing the same personality when I review this case here Captain a little
00:38:54
girl that is is very friend friendly and very talkative and not afraid of anything and I think the grandfather's
00:39:02
words here are very interesting to me saying that her free spirit and her outgoing nature may have gotten her into
00:39:09
some kind of trouble I wonder if we are looking at an abduction here do we have a situation where she may have
00:39:17
approached her wouldbe abductor not knowing that oh this this person may not be a great person this
00:39:24
person might not be you know had she befriended the wouldbe abductor at some point earlier on before this day you
00:39:32
know weeks prior right investigators announced that they were further expanding the search this would include
00:39:39
roadways and ditches throughout Chisum and flybys over the local lakes and mine pits they plan to retrace their steps
00:39:48
and research all of the areas that they had already covered there were fundraisers that were held to raise
00:39:54
money for the search efforts and hotlines were set up to feel calls about any tips and potential leads but just
00:40:03
when we think that there's nothing to go on other than probably a a few tips here
00:40:09
and there we we have a decent break in the case an interesting turn in the case because this is late Thursday so now
00:40:18
lyanna has been missing for six days and the tone of the news reports and information released by investigators is
00:40:26
clearly changing in my mind here Captain we have police chief Ericson who directly asked the public to contact his
00:40:34
Department if anyone had any information on a faded light blue midsize car with an antenna mounted in the middle of the
00:40:44
trunk there was no make model or license plate that was available Erikson said he
00:40:50
did not know whether this vehicle was actually significant but it was a lead that they were following up on and chief
00:40:59
Ericson said that areas around the block where the Warner's home was located had
00:41:05
been searched anywhere from two to five times each including homes in the vicinity it seems that most or all
00:41:13
neighbors allowed the police to actually access and search their houses Erikson was confident that they had the area 98%
00:41:22
covered so this is going to be like Erikson's legit press conference after we've had several days of searching and
00:41:30
have had no luck looking for the girl the thing that I like here Captain while it's not extremely specific on the
00:41:36
details you know no make model or license plate of this vehicle it's a pretty detailed description of a very I
00:41:45
don't want to say very unique but it is a unique description of a car right this
00:41:51
light blue faded light blue so very descriptive on the color midsize car with with an antenna mounted in the
00:41:57
middle of the trunk that's not something you see on most Vehicles yeah it sounds
00:42:03
like something you'd see in this late 70s 80s yeah it seems a little out of its time period and the news reports
00:42:10
once again addressed an adjustment to the timeline now lyanna was believed to have left her home at
00:42:17
4:35 p.m. not 5 or 5:30 two independent Witnesses saw her walking across Lawns and knocking on the quirk's door at 5:15
00:42:26
and she was reported missing at 8:48 p.m. now back to the sex offenders in the area as you know Captain one of my
00:42:35
favorite Parts in any child abduction case or suspected child abduction case is the old pervert Roundup get ready for
00:42:44
the Pervert round up a spokesman for the Chism PD said that there were roughly 20
00:42:50
to 25 classified sex offenders in Chisum but none that were level three we've talked about about this in the past and
00:42:57
I've come under Fire for this and I don't know why I suspect that I came under Fire from probably a level three
00:43:02
sex offender but uh the level three sex offenders have the highest recidivism rates out of any sex offender that's why
00:43:10
they are considered the most dangerous that's why they Reed the longest prison sentences and that's why nobody wants to
00:43:16
let them out back on the street the police are saying here in this area we had zero level three offenders and
00:43:23
that's so we just have level one and level two dirty perves mhm so no level 3es this is
00:43:30
why their names and addresses were not required to be be released to the public 30 investigators from various agencies
00:43:36
including the FBI were looking at each one of these guys as well as all of the other tips and leads and so far had not
00:43:44
been able to tie any of these perverts to lyanna's case one thing that has been noticed since lyanna's disappearance 18
00:43:53
years ago is that her case didn't receive the level of national attention immediately in this case such as some
00:44:02
other cases like poly class or another big case from Minnesota Jacob wling this may be because it seems that for almost
00:44:10
the first week no one including lyanna's parents really thought that she had been
00:44:16
abducted and both the poly class case and the Jacob wling case there were witnesses to these abductions so we knew
00:44:25
immediately both of those cases this child has been abducted lyanna on the other hand just vanished a spokeswoman
00:44:33
for the missing children Minnesota organization said that the delay in treating these cases as abductions early
00:44:40
on is quote the disbelief Factor no one wants to believe the worst can happen in
00:44:46
their backyard also there's a fear of pointing the finger at an innocent person especially in a area where one
00:44:54
you have a lake so that is going to cause a lot of issues as far as searching also a lot of
00:45:01
issues as far as a big Hazard for a child that is wandering on their own and like they said the wooded area I'd say
00:45:10
that's equal problem now it's middle of June right so there's you don't have to worry about the elements as far as it's
00:45:21
snowing or being too cold but you have to worry about the elements of being in the woods as a small child right and
00:45:29
speaking of own backyards this is when we're told in our timeline here that 8 square miles around the Warner home had
00:45:40
been searched by this point the national Center for missing and exploited children was called in to join in the
00:45:45
investigation on Friday June 20th and spokesman Patrick frell said in my own personal experience I haven't had a case
00:45:55
where a child has disappeared so completely now Chief Ericson remained optimistic saying anything is possible
00:46:03
but unfortunately we've found nothing so far yeah and he was holding out hope that they were still going to find this
00:46:11
girl but on Saturday June 21st the Warner family was notified that the organized official searches for lyanna
00:46:19
were coming to an end investigators felt that they had exhaustively covered any ground where she could have re where she
00:46:26
could realistically be the family thanked all the Searchers and asked that people not give up hope and said that
00:46:32
they themselves were still hoping for the best and I think that's obvious when they point out that very quickly they
00:46:40
are putting up $10,000 a $10,000 reward for information about their daughter this was publicized just a couple days
00:46:48
later like you said she was at the lake before but there's possibility that she got back to the lake were they searching
00:46:54
the lake at all they searched the lake big time um they they were in the water searching for her
00:47:01
they were flying over the water searching for her the lake was a big focal point of their investigation
00:47:08
especially that second day that Sunday morning and they again as the sheriff stated at some point after a few days of
00:47:18
searching and we've covered all this area in the beginning you're looking and you're realistically going okay how far
00:47:24
if she got lost we treating this as she wandered off she got lost maybe an accident something happened to her right
00:47:30
how far could a 5-year-old get on their own given the time frame that she's been
00:47:34
gone and so you're using that to really focus and hone in on where you should be
00:47:39
searching and prioritizing those areas so the lake would have been high priority on that because this is a place
00:47:48
that Not only was she there earlier that day not only was this a place that most
00:47:53
everybody in the neighborhood went to frequently we know that she has rode her bike there
00:47:58
at least one time on her own so this is a place that there's nowhere in this neighborhood or down to that Lake to me
00:48:07
that I can see that this girl would not have been comfortable going to by herself I think the other issue like you
00:48:13
said is they they do a 8 mile radius from the house that is a very large distance yeah 8 square miles from uh the
00:48:22
Warner home yeah once that search happens and they not it's not just that they don't they don't find her it's the
00:48:30
fact that they find nothing they don't find a sock they don't find a footprint they don't there's nothing well and we
00:48:38
needed to get the word out here right about this missing girl we already said that there were Statewide alerts that
00:48:44
went out immediately when she was discovered to be missing but it was the missing children Minnesota and the
00:48:52
national Center for missing and exploited children organizations that highly encouraged the Warners to go
00:48:59
National with their daughter's case and so they went on several national televised TV
00:49:06
shows and they were publicizing the case and a website that they created finder.org and accompanying them on
00:49:14
these trips and on these appearances was Chief Ericson so they are in close contact with one another they're working
00:49:24
arm in-arm in this investigation not just to search and find the child but also to publicize
00:49:31
the case and make everybody aware that hey this little girl is missing and we're looking for her here's where
00:49:37
things get a little interesting to me Captain on June 24th the timeline of what authorities believe happened that
00:49:46
night on June 14th so 10 days later appeared in the Minneapolis Star Tribune so this will be known as the quote
00:49:54
unquote official timeline line here in this case and it's as follows at 4:35 p.m. lyanna leaves to walk to the quirks
00:50:03
home mom tells her to be back in a half an hour at 5:15 two neighbors see lyanna
00:50:10
knocking on the door of the quirks home but no one is home and she turns around 5:30 p.m. kayn notices that lyanna isn't
00:50:19
home yet she sends lyanna's older sister over to the quirks but she returns and reports that they are not home
00:50:26
6: to 6:30 p.m. kin and lyanna's sister start walking around the neighborhood looking for lyanna at 6:21 we know that
00:50:35
Chris Warner leaves on an ambulance run to Hibbing Minnesota he does not seem to
00:50:41
know that lyanna is missing at this point at 7:30 more people joined kin in the search of the neighborhood at 747
00:50:50
Chris Warner's ambulance run ends and he returns home he immediately joins the a
00:50:55
search for his daughter at 8:48 kin Warner places the 911 call to report lyanna missing 900 p.m. 12 minutes later
00:51:05
Chisum police arrive and start searching the neighborhood 10:15 p.m. Rescue Squad
00:51:10
personnel and blood hound so the dogs are there at 10:15 p.m. arriving on the scene 4:00 a.m. Sunday a state patrol
00:51:18
helicopter is out searching for lyanna by air they moved very quickly we got to get props where props are due and I
00:51:27
think to see the actions and the efforts put forward immediately in this case is encouraging to me because we've we've
00:51:36
seen this in other cases well we've not seen this in other cases I think is the best way to state that this timeline
00:51:44
though to me Captain brings up some questions if lyanna really left the Warner home at 4:35 p.m. and neighbors
00:51:51
saw her knocking on the quirks door at 5:15 where was she for that 40 minutes yeah we said that it would take the
00:51:59
average adult it was time they did they did you know this is all science here baby they figured out that it would take
00:52:06
the average adult 2 minutes to make it from the Warner's home to the quirk's home so again that's one of those things
00:52:12
yes if you want to question letting your 5-year-old walk down there go ahead I don't blame you for questioning that
00:52:18
keep in mind it's like a two-minute walk and it's it's a walk that she's done a 100 times I question it myself not going
00:52:24
to lie but but be that as it may this is the situation so let's say it takes a little girl double that time 5 minutes
00:52:31
to walk down there that still leaves 35 minutes of what's going on and you know little kids get distracted easily heck
00:52:40
me and the captain get distracted easily who knows hey look but we don't have anybody that's saying
00:52:45
that well I saw her go here or saw her go there at this time we have the witness statement of her mother saying I
00:52:54
saw her walking away from the house I watched her until she had to go around the corner and then we have these two
00:53:00
witnesses I like that we have two independent Witnesses saying that they saw her at the quirk's doorstep and they
00:53:06
believe the time to be 5:15 p.m. well we know with eyewitness statements that sometimes they're not lying they're just
00:53:16
misremembering but I don't like her mother's statement if there's a gap that large of a gap to me it seems like she
00:53:25
headed in a different direction before she headed to her friend's house that's also what the scent dogs are telling us
00:53:31
as well cuz they're not following her sent to her friend's house so I just wonder if it's one of those scenes where
00:53:38
your kid's missing and now um again you should have watched her all the way you could have walked her all the way to
00:53:47
your house people are going to be questioning this and so then you make the statement that you watched her walk
00:53:54
towards the house and walk out of sight and maybe that's not true at all mhm and
00:53:59
maybe it was she's you know putting groceries away and she goes I'm going to walk down to my friend's house and she
00:54:04
goes okay back be back in 20 minutes and never saw her leave I would fault her for not being honest but I could also
00:54:11
see a situation we've seen these situations turn against the parents very quickly and they be there becomes a w
00:54:22
there becomes a Witch Hunt against parents because they made a let's say a moment of not the best judgment oh yeah
00:54:31
they Unfortunately they live with that every day yeah for 18 years I mean that is do you want to know what hell is
00:54:39
that's what hell is now in regards to the dogs here's the problem again with the dogs you have to either throw out
00:54:47
the dog information or the eyewitness information that said that they saw the girl knocking on the door of the quirk's
00:54:54
home you can't have both right because the dogs never go to the quirk's house they go and hit on a scent at the lake
00:55:04
they say that they trace lyanna's scent to the edge of a Road near the lake we've discuss this in other cases
00:55:12
Captain usually when they trace Ascent to an edge of the road it indicates that that person got into some kind of
00:55:19
vehicle because their scent is then gone right the dogs then tra the scent back to Lanna Warner's home again they're
00:55:29
only as good as the Handler but you can't have a situation where the what the dogs are telling you is that lyanna
00:55:36
did not go to the Cork's home what the eyewitnesses are telling you is that she did so you have to choose which one are
00:55:44
you going to accept as something you want to put in your investigation and something that you're
00:55:50
going to have to toss out because you might be getting bad information from someone now here's the thing thing if
00:55:55
the dogs never go to the quirk's home and you trust the dogs now you need to know why people would say that she went
00:56:04
to the quirks home and she didn't you see what I mean it works both ways no I agree and like I said back to
00:56:12
the eyewitnesses we just we know for a fact that eyewitnesses are not always completely accurate so it's not calling
00:56:19
them Liars it's just saying that maybe you're misremembering right I the thing that I believe here and look this
00:56:28
is I yes I'm I'm choosing I'm I'm I'm picking one over the other I'm choosing these eyewitnesses here because what
00:56:36
what we do know given the timeline regardless of the shift and the change in the wiggle room in the timeline what
00:56:42
we do know is very quickly after this girl went missing mhm the mother the daughter and neighbors are out searching
00:56:52
for lyenna very quickly mhm let's say within I think we can agree within half an hour to an hour and a
00:57:00
half somewhere in that time range we have we start seeing people from the neighborhood and Jo joining in on this
00:57:05
search so what I'm the reason why I'm choosing to believe the eyewitnesses here is simply that they can speak and
00:57:12
the dogs can't because we have eyewitnesses that are going this is all going to be fresh in their memory it's
00:57:18
not like you're asking somebody 5 days later if you saw lyanna on Saturday or Friday or Sunday m you're asking them
00:57:26
did you see her an hour ago yeah yeah I did well a couple things one if you if you eat enough Edibles dogs will talk to
00:57:35
you and you'll be able to understand them um and normally I always pick dogs over humans
00:57:43
right because dogs are just better but I agree with you here I I think you have to go with the eyewitness report I just
00:57:51
I I just don't understand why there's a a gap in time between the eyewitnesses and Leanne's
00:57:58
mother so I'm totally with you here and I here's what I think may be a possibility I think that maybe this
00:58:07
little girl was excited about seeing her friends hanging out with her two friends
00:58:12
we know that they hung out almost daily I think that there's a chance that they're seeing these Witnesses might be
00:58:19
seeing her later than the time that it would take her to walk from her home to the quirks home because I think there's
00:58:27
a chance that when she knocked on the door the first time and no one answered she might have gone looking for them and
00:58:34
it could be as simple as she went around to the backyard to see if they were out
00:58:37
back maybe she started to make her way toward the lake or to somebody else's home that they
00:58:43
frequented I think there's a chance that she may have tried that front door more
00:58:48
than once and gone looking for them in the meantime uh looking for her friends again well no that's a great point
00:58:57
because if you were to bike even if it's not that far You' you knock on the door
00:59:03
right nobody answers you might do the old step back look at the windows see if there's any lights on you might do the
00:59:10
old let me walk around the house maybe they're playing out back maybe there's a swing set that we haven't talked about
00:59:16
or a play area in the backyard that she went to go see if they're there oh they're not there okay now I'm coming
00:59:23
back around and and having a second pass and heck there could even been a third pass and just think about how silly we
00:59:31
are when we're all kids right when you when you ask hey can I go hang out with can I go hang out with my friends you're
00:59:37
five six years old hey can I go hang out with my friends and you're granted permission to do so that becomes the
00:59:43
most important thing in your little Universe for that next half an hour or an hour right seeing your friends and
00:59:52
your buddies and as you pointed out I'm again thinking back back to my own childhood I referenced friends Tim and
00:59:57
Vince earlier and being about that same age and I can I can recall similar situations granted permission go to
01:00:04
their home nobody answers uh where would I go next well there was a fort that we
01:00:10
built two yards away that would be my next stop they're probably at the Fort if they weren't there sometimes they
01:00:16
were at Shawn's house and you would see their bikes in the driveway and you could tell you could walk a few more
01:00:21
yards and see if the bikes were in the driveway or not and so I worry that we have a situation here Captain where
01:00:28
lyanna's playing detective herself trying to figure out where her friends are and now she's wandering about and
01:00:34
maybe as said the witnesses the eyewitnesses are getting this 515 time from a second attempt at knocking
01:00:43
on the door after she's gone out looking the neighborhood for her friends m one thing that's also difficult and
01:00:50
troubling here I mean this is good for the parents in the people searching for lyanna that night but also might be bad
01:00:59
because she could be wandering far further and further away from home is June 14th is close to one of the longest
01:01:07
days of the year so it would remain light out much longer on this day than most days of the year sunset in Chisum
01:01:17
Minnesota on June 14th of this year of 2021 was 9:14 p.m. so it's one of those situations where you go okay lots of
01:01:28
daylight hours between the time of when she goes missing or when it's presume that she she goes
01:01:34
missing why don't we have more eyewitnesses if something happened to her it seemed to me like it it happened
01:01:41
in a relatively quick in a relatively short period of time like you said to go back in time to think about how this
01:01:49
would play out in your own childhood but you know normally when I asked my parents like hey can I go
01:01:56
play with my friends they would just turn and go oh honey you don't have any friends on July 3rd so weeks after
01:02:06
lyanna went missing investigators had looked into an estimated 1,000 leads or tips investigators spoke with 130 sex
01:02:16
offenders who lived in northern Minnesota calling some Persons of Interest on July 9th investigators asked
01:02:24
for the Public's help in finding three men who may have information that would be helpful to this investigation they
01:02:33
were looking for a sha Raymond Berk of Hibbing Jason Wayne Smith of Hibbing and Justin Michael Jenkins of Chisum the
01:02:42
Sheriff's Office also asked for the Public's help in finding an unidentified white man in his mid-30s about 5' 10 in
01:02:50
tall and 155 lb with bleach blonde hair feathered over his ears and a dark tattoo of a star or a sun on his right
01:03:01
arm wearing blue jeans and a white T-shirt this man was supposedly seen on foot in the Warner's neighborhood on
01:03:09
June 14th the day in question they also said that they were looking for a navy blue two-door Cadillac driven by a black
01:03:18
male in his 20s or 30s that was either bald or had a shaven head an older Rusty brown pickup truck with a
01:03:28
Topper driven by a white man with curly black hair the sheriff's department would not say why they were seeking
01:03:35
these people but we can presume that persons in the neighborhood reported seeing them in the area in an
01:03:41
interesting statement though Sheriff Litman said he believed despite public events in the area at the time of
01:03:48
lyanna's disappearance that the person who was responsible for lyanna going missing was likely from
01:03:56
Chisum at the same time authorities said there was no truth to Media reports that
01:04:02
identified a 23-year-old convicted sex offender as a suspect in the case they denied that there was a suspect and
01:04:11
stated that this man was in custody on unrelated charges now we're really seeing the
01:04:17
scale of this investigation here aren't we Captain this is something that we've seen in other cases specific speically
01:04:24
the deli case where you start seeing the the long arms of the law are reaching out and they are casting a wide net on
01:04:34
known offenders suspects people seen in the area questionable behavior all of that stuff that's what's going on here
01:04:43
that's what's going down at this point and we saw at the deli case how many search warrants and how many arrest
01:04:50
warrants were the arrest warrants were carried out there was like 40 50 60 carried out within days because now all
01:04:57
of a sudden the priority level jumps big time to start finding people the the bad
01:05:05
guys start rounding up the bad guys at this point and that's what we're seeing an amped up not only just amped up but
01:05:13
here to the point where they're saying to the public hey we're looking for these people by name we're looking for
01:05:20
people that were described to be looking like this we're not saying any of them are suspects any of them could have
01:05:27
useful information to this investigation well like you said there's a bunch of people visiting this town during that
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time period so now as this is going out more regionally you have people coming forward and saying hey I know that this
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dirt bag in my family was visiting there at the time he's capable of abducting a
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child so now they got to find that individual which might be living a criminal life and then that criminal or
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that that dirt bag now has to explain to the police where who was at where you know what's his
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Alibi and sometimes they're not as Cooperative with poli police because their Alibi is that they're
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actually doing some other kind of criminal activity well and even if they weren't getting reports that people that
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were named specifically were in the area at that time cuz we're kind of guessing
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here but you also have to wonder is that simply that these know these known individuals the ones that they're
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referencing by name are these people that have outstanding warrants or are sex offenders I don't know that they are
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but we weren't able to find them when we started doing our Roundup or we started
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looking for bad guys to talk to or serving these arrest warrants these are people that we could not find and we
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want to know why we couldn't find them and then the people that were that you're asking the public for and you're
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simply giving a description of them well that's very interesting too because obviously these are not people that are
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they're being told their names so if people saw them in the neighborhood you have the the neighborhood person telling
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police here's a description of the person why is that interesting to me why am I bringing it up to you Mr Lawman uh
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that's because I'd never seen this person in the neighborhood before but I saw them on that day and that's the day
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that we're talking about and so now as an investigator you're going okay I want to find bleach blond hair guy I want to
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find the African-American male with the shaved head I want to find the guy D driving the creepy camper pickup truck
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why because I want to ask them what you were doing there that day and if I can clear you or if I can immediately tell
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that there's little reason to suspect you of any wrongdoing based off of the information you're able to to prove to
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me and tell me that day then I I also want to talk to you not just to clear you or check you off my list I want to
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ask you did you see anything that day did you hear anything that day maybe you're the witness that we've been
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looking for that can give us the clue that's going to lead us to this little girl just let we save
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