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introducing a very important individual this man his name is John L Bailey John was born in November of 19 1942 in the
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great state of Massachusetts he graduated from the University of Pittsburgh and served this great country
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in the United States Marine Corps and in the Vietnam conflict during which he was
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decorated with two bronze stars and in 1969 he became a special agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigation the FBI
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and was eventually assigned to several different field offices this included Louisville New York and then lastly Las
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Vegas that leads us to the start of today's story here Captain because we're starting off on June 25th
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1990 and this is when special agent John L Bailey he is on duty working for the FBI's Las Vegas office now one of his
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assignments for that day is to go to the Security Pacific Bank today the bank is
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still there but it's called Bank of America this this is in Las Vegas Nevada there special agent Bailey was serving a
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subpoena in the bank agent Bailey arrived at the bank with no issues at all but while inside the bank something
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happened agent Bailey hears a scream followed by some commotion he quickly identifies where the scream came from
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and he rushes over to a female bank teller now the teller tells special agent Bailey that the man who had just
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left her window had a gun and attempted to rob her attempted to rob the bank now
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I'll break from the action for a second here and play John Madden commentary for
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you and fill in the blanks what has happened here is that a man has disguised himself as a woman with gauze
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on one cheek and he's got one of his arms in a sling my guess is that he might have been using the sling to hide
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or conceal the gun right or maybe he hurt his arm with too much flicky flicky he approaches the teller he tells the
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teller you know she's friendly hey welcome to Security Pacific Bank how can I help you he tells her shut up this is
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a robbery so he makes a robbery attempt but the teller it freaks her out so she screams when she sees the gun and he
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says shut up she screams and it's reported that she screamed 59 2 or or 592 those numbers now I'm guessing
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that's some kind of code in that bank for robbery or you know she shouts this out
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and jumps back from the counter this in turn startles the robber who then must have
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decided to abort the whole robbery plan altoe right because then he turns and starts to walk back toward the door to
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exit the building well this is when special agent John Bailey steps in so picking up where we left off now the
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teller is telling special agent Bailey that the man who had just left her window he had a gun and had attempted to
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rob her so Bailey turns and runs after the robber and of course he draws his service weapon he identifies himself as
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an FBI agent and ordered the bank robber to stop the man still walk walking to the nearest exit starts to turn back
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toward the agent and as this man turns keep in mind he still has his gun in his hand reacting to seeing the gun special
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agent Bailey fired off one shot which does not hit our robber it hits the door that he was attempting to leave from
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which as most of us know a lot of these doors in these banks are are glass so he
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hits this door and the glass shatters well this scares the wouldbe robber enough to the point where he is
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now going to listen to the agent and he does drop his gun well let's back up just a little bit because I do have some
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experience of being a banker and working in that industry for quite a while so let's let's go over some protocol when
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you are a teller and look I I worked uh many years and sometimes as a roaming teller so you have a home location but
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then there's multiple locations when they are short staffed then you have to go over and work and one of the things
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that tellers talk a lot about is have you been robbed no oh I have been and this is
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what happened and they remember every detail but oddly they might remember their actions and what they were doing
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and how they felt they they might not remember the details of the actual robber themselves mhm so the protocol is
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this or and and I'm sure it's changed throughout the years and with technology but we've all seen it in Hollywood
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movies there's a silent alarm that you hit and that alarm then will let your security if you have security no but it
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also could send an alarm to police it also sends alarms to other employees at the bank if if your system set up I I've
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worked in different banks where it would alarm the managers and other people and
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I've worked in other situations where you you hit the button and you have no clue what it does it might go straight
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to alerting local police but so I'm the teller guy comes up let's say he passes me a note give me all your money I'm
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going to try to hit that alarm if I can mhm if I can't I have two things that I can give the
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robber one a die pack it looks just like a a strapped money mhm sometimes on the
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Note they'll say no strapped money just loose money so in that scenario or if they're communicating you with you
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vocally and they say no strap money you are trained to just don't even try to hand it to them or they might tell you
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well put it on the counter see if they take it so you have the die pack which will then eventually explode and then
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you have another pack which is marked money so the marked money is just regular money but we have a record of
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what the serial numbers of those dollars are mhm so if you can get to the silent
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alarm if you can give them the die pack or if you could give them what they call
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the bait money again I'm sure it's different for every bank but one of the banks that I worked
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at once you pulled the bait money it would also trigger Tri alarm so the main situation you're trying to avoid as the
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teller is a takeover situation you want the robber in and out as fast as you can
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and you want to avoid a situation like the movie Point Break for example that's a terrifying takeover situation multip
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men multiple guns and they're violent and willing to shoot and willing to Fire and and yelling and screaming at the the
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the employees as well as the customers of the bank as well yeah and and also people might be familiar with the movie
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The Town which I think is a brilliant movie brilliant a take over in the sense of a robber or multiple robbers getting
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behind the line you want to keep the desk or the what whatever console you're behind in between you two and you want
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to just get them whatever they want that's why a lot of these bank robbers will say well if you if you don't go
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after a bunch of money you're going to get a bunch of stuff real quick and then get out of there but you might a lot of
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people would think that the number is high but they would give you a yearly estimate like this year the average bank
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robber only walked away with $300 MH so it's a lot lower than you would think which is insane because it's
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a federal offense because it's a bank you'd be smarter as a criminal to go rob a a business we've we've learned that
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from doing True Crime garage when we cover these cases where a business is robbed it's thousands of dollars usually
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that they're leaving with a business yeah and so we had a scenario and it also weirdly happens where there's not
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that many customers in the bank and I don't know if that's something the bank robbers are are looking for or maybe
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there's too many people in the bank so then they get scared because you would have to deal with like in this situation
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off-duty police officer or on duty police officer but I remember a case where there's two people online there
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was a lady and there was a man and there was just two tellers out I was on the far left side the other teller was on
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the far right side there was multiple uh workstations in between us and the lady
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finished and I noticed that the teller to the right of me was kind of busy so I motioned the guy come forward come
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forward and I just knew like I just had this feeling there's something off about
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this guy and so I ducked down cuz I had a bunch of coin that I needed to put in my station's little tiny Vault and lock
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the door and I did that and he decided to not go to me because again I'm 63 my my colleague was 54 maybe he was a
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pretty small guy so he went to him and as I'm coming up thinking that the guy's going to be at my station I turn the
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guy's already gone and my coworker is just white you know like ghostly white and I'm like you okay he's like I just
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was robbed and I was like hit your button and then there's a protocol afterwards well did did you hit your
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alarm no you didn't that's okay hit this alarm did you pull your bait money no go
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ahead and pull that and then then I'm directed to hit my alarm and then I went and locked the doors and you call the
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cops and you just shut down the whole bank so even though there there was no gun
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involved there was no note involved in this case but you you see right away how affected somebody is just by the robbery
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attempt yeah and even without the presence of a firearm you as a person and you're being robbed you you never
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the idea that there could be a firearm on this person does not leave your mind and so and just to kind of point
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something out here Captain you pointed out your height but I'm also thinking yeah no kidding he went to the smaller
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teller because if this individual is not armed and just wants to hand a note and
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the captain's having a bad day well you got quite the wingspan too my friend you
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could grab this guy and just hold him to the counter until the authorities get there and here's what's funny and and
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not to look I I think people should take this very serious and I would also suggest that in the banking industry
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they've dealt with this so much that they know we'd rather lose money than a person yes and so we have came up with
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these protocols for safety but when when my coworker was his name was Ray he's like I was
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robbed I I I don't know what happened it was like this shot of AD adrenaline and
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I was like yelling and cursing and it's like because I like I said when I said come over here hey I can help you down
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here it's like I knew there was something wrong mhm and then he goes I was robbed and I'm screaming you know
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the the the mother effer could have came to me mhm like that coward and I'm like
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screaming and and again it could be one of those situations you're handed that note and you're having a bad day and you
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go no not today buddy mhm well that guy pulls out a gun takes over the bank it becomes a whole different
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scenario not to you know talk too much about my personal story but then I have to notify everybody in the bank we were
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just robbed there's a couple ladies in the break room and I say say hey guys I just locked the doors we were just
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robbed and my manager at the time just goes ghost white and she's like physically
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shaking and tears are just rushing out of her face mhm she gets up and she's she's our manager so she's trying to
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make sure that everybody's okay and I noticed that she there's something wrong with her and I'm like Heather it's okay
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we're we you know you the guy just got a couple bucks we locked the door rais fine and then I found out that she
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actually was a part of a takeover um up in I I don't know if you remember this in
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Westerville and one of the security guards which was off duty cop was actually she was laying on the ground
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and he was in a room and he was trying to come out I think he had his gun drawn and everything was going to try to come
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out on to the people robbing the bank and they shot him and he fell and like right by her and he ended up dying and
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it was a big case in Ohio and I didn't know that she was a part of that but she was I mean she was a mess I mean you
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could just see you know PTSD happening in front of your face you could see what trauma does to an individual which then
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took our seeming to be not such a serious life-threatening situation and it became way more intense and it's
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probably the reason why I remember every little step that happened for the next hour well it's real interesting to me
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too the way that these agencies will work on these types of crimes and and different crimes you know but in
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reference to bank robberies you know the FBI for years and probably still do had
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a squad that was back then back in the 7s s was referred to as the crime prevention sorry back in the 70s and 80s
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was referred to as the crime prevention and reactionary Squad and in fact John Douglas friend of our show he served in
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that reactionary Squad before this whole profiling thing came about with the Behavioral Science unit and so one thing
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that they did when they specialized in bank robberies and I always found this to be f fascinating they were trying to
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go in and teach bank tellers and bank managers and kind of set up some of the protocols that you're talking about here
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Captain so that one not only can we try to prevent as many future bank robberies
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as possible but if one should happen how should the teller or managers behave so
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that we get some information on the criminal right and one thing that I found fascinating was he was saying the
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first thing that they they noticed that was wrong in most of the bank robberies most of these bank robberies go down
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just like you said the person robbing the bank much different than our Las Vegas
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situation hands a note instead of saying hey shut up this is a robbery hands a note they wanted to be kind of on the DL
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be very quiet they want to get that money and they want to get out of there and hopefully not have to pull a gun in
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the process but the very first thing that they noticed that would be would be uh to the FBI's Advantage who would
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later investigate the bank robbery was that the teller just out of Natural Instinct almost always gave the note
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back to the robber along with the money yeah not to cut you off but that's again
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one of the protocols if the robber then comes in and hands you a note you are to
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take that note yes just as you would a deposit and so what they were teaching the FBI was actively teaching Banks
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specifically banks in certain regions where there was a high trend of bank robberies going on the first thing that
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they taught them was at the very least drop the note on the floor in front of you behind the counter right do not give
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it back to the robber because at the very least we can get a handwriting sample or maybe there'll be something on
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that piece of paper that will help us to later identify this person or where they
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came from all very interesting stuff I imagine with your protocols that you had there was no and I can't imagine that
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this being a protocol anywhere all of these years later but in 1990 I can only assume her screaming
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592 was some kind of code for the bank which you wouldn't want to do that because I would believe that screaming
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something like that and and I'm not faulting this teller right she's simply reacting to a very stressful and
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surprising situation but yelling something like that could very quickly lead to maybe even a hostage
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situation I don't know if there we were directed during training of where to put
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the note but we had two drawers our top money drawer and then we had our secondary drawer and we were then
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instructed if you get a note put it put it in the secondary drawer and just shut
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it you don't have to lock it but it was a lot about you know trying to remain calm and look the banking didn't
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industry is high turnover you you work with somebody for a couple months and they're gone especially at the lower
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level positions but one thing that I can't applaud them for is did Rey make all the best
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decisions did he give the note back if you made mistakes or or you did things differently than your training during
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that situation nobody faulted you right there it was a lot of compassion to go hey you
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went through this and every now and there there'd be some jerk you know have you ever been robbed oh yeah I was
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robbed it was terrifying well was there a gun no it's just a note well you're you're a [ __ ] or you're this or yeah
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you don't want to stick around to find out if there is a gun yeah and it's like that's my argument anytime there was
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some douchebag going oh yeah man well I would have I would have jumped over the counter and cowy kicked the guy in the
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face it's not your money dude if they're crazy enough to come in knowing that it's a federal charge you don't know
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what their intent is is there intent to get a th000 bucks is there intent for you to open up the drawer and then they
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pull out a gun you know are in this moment are they going to go from well I wanted a th000
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bucks but now I think I could get more well and I imagine the overall general idea is and unfortunately it's not going
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to work out that way in today's True Crime Story but I would imagine the general idea is give them the bait money
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and get them out of there as soon as possible hopefully they just take what you give them turn around and they leave
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and then we don't end up with a situation where someone gets hurt unfortunately in our case here today
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captain that will not be the situation we have agent Bailey who identifies himself to the fleeing robber as an FBI
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agent he's got his service gun drawn pointed toward this man who's trying to flee the exit he turns the robber turns
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and looks at him and when that happens the agent identifies the gun in his hand he fires off a shot the agent fires off
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a shot which then goes through the glass door scares the robber enough that he drops his gun so agent Bailey grabs the
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robber now he's holding him up against a wall as you can kind of picture when these cops you know arrest somebody on
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TV they put him up against the wall and we look like we're about to Cuff this guy okay so now as it would appear we
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have everything under control we had all this commotion now we have everything under control guy attempts to rob a bank
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and as luck would have it for him an FBI agent just so happens to be in the bank
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mind you this bank had none of its own security at the bank so it is time for this guy to be taken into cust
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now acting swiftly special agent Bailey he fris the robber and he has him sit down in a chair so he can kind of
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control him now one teller dials 911 and agent Bailey told someone else to call the local FBI office and let them know
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that there's been a robbery attempt but there's an agent here that's got the situation under control can you send
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additional agents and then he has to ask another Bank employee to go and retrieve
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his handcuffs from his car and keep in mind special agents with the FBI are not frequently using
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handcuffs dayto day you know they're not like beat cops that need to carry the handcuffs all the time or multiple
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handcuffs because they're using them frequently the robber is in the chair while bayy is waiting for the handcuffs
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the bank employee returns with the Cuffs but before agent Bailey could shackle the robber his attention special agent
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Bailey's attention was apparently diverted and when this happens the robber sees an
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opportunity and so the bank robber lunged at Bailey knocking the agent gun out of his hand and knocking Bailey to
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the ground so there's a brief scuffle now but before agent Bailey could retrieve his gun the bank robber
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[Music] all all right we are back mates cheers to you to the windows to the walls
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cheers to you captain and cheers to everybody that's going to Crime con this weekend so where we left off here we
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have agent Bailey who's trying to apprehend this individual that tried to rob the Security Pacific Bank and
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instead before he could shackle this individual we have a scuffle that breaks out the robber sees an opportunity
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knocks Bailey to the ground and then before Bailey can recover his weapon well the bank robber recovered his own
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weapon now with gun in hand the robber takes a couple step toward agent Bailey and fires off a shot then another step
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toward the agent and then fires off several more shots meanwhile remember 911 has already been called by this
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point this was done right after the robbery attempt so so right as the robber was attempting to flee and Bailey
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was in pursuit of him 911 is called so now the teller has to dramatically change the information that she is
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providing to the emergency dispatcher because unfortunately this whole situation went from apprehending the
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robbery to way out of control very very quickly the teller is saying to the 911 dispatcher quote the suspect is firing
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shots the teller told the emergency dispatcher quote yes he has shot the FBI agent the FBI agent has been shot end
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quote I mean absolute chaos but again remind the listeners what this individual looks like yes remember the
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robber has disguised himself as a woman dressed as a woman an injured woman with
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the gauze on the face and an arm in the sling and of course after this scuffle breaks out I'm sure that the arm is no
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longer in a sling here but in all the robber unfortunately managed to shoot special
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agent Bailey three times a total of three times well not wanting to stick around the robber runs out of the
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building and then runs to a seen running to a blue Firebird now not only did this
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guy show show up armed to the bank that day and in a disguise he had a getaway car and driver
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waiting for him outside of the bank so the robber jumps into this blue Firebird in the passenger side and the driver
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steps on the gas and away they go now as the gunman fled to the waiting Car special agent Bailey is still lying on
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the ground severely injured he's in very bad shape at this point shot through three times a short time later Bailey
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was transported to a hospital where he had succumbed to the three gunshot wounds unfortunately agent Bailey passed
00:34:38
away on that day in 1990 now this man thought he was going to be walking out of the bank with a big bag of cash right
00:34:46
the robber thought he would have a successful robbery at this point in his day had everything gone as planned he
00:34:54
thought he would be sitting somewhere celebrating probably having a drink or two dividing up the cash with his
00:34:59
getaway guy right instead he's got nothing except a pissed off driver well and a murder charge yes now he's
00:35:10
responsible for killing a federal agent yeah but let's go back to the before the
00:35:17
conflict Robert comes up she yells what 592 correct scares the guy he takes off if there is no shot if there's no
00:35:29
confronting this individual there is no there is no murder right that's one of those things about this case that's just
00:35:37
haunting to me how you know we talk about this all the time how life can change on a dime especially in these
00:35:44
True Crime cases the weird scenario of two things one we would later learn that they case this joint and you'll see once
00:35:53
we start going through some of this evidence that that is obvious VI but they case the joint and this robber
00:36:00
whoever he is he picked this bank and decided to go forward with the plan because they had no security they didn't
00:36:06
have armed officers or security guards there at the bank so that was one of the reasons for choosing this Bank who would
00:36:14
have thought agent Bailey never would have thought this the bank robber never would have thought this anybody in the
00:36:20
bank that day never would have thought this that on the same day at the same moment two individuals that probably
00:36:27
decided that they had to be at this Bank on this day for completely different reasons days earlier right the agent
00:36:36
knows he has to serve a subpoena at some point this robber decides yes this is the bank for me to go do the job who
00:36:43
would have thought that two people from very different walks of life would be walking into that same bank roughly the
00:36:49
same time and be in the same four walls both armed to carry out completely different different missions and both
00:36:58
lives have changed in a matter of just seconds to minutes here in this case one life taken way too
00:37:06
early and now another man who is on the run and you're right Captain it's one of
00:37:11
those things that is just so damn haunting and really sad too to sit back and think about it and look back on it
00:37:18
because hindsight is always 2020 that's what they tell us and I guarantee you if
00:37:22
you could ask special agent Bailey if you could ask the robber if you could ask anybody that was there that day if
00:37:30
we would have just done nothing or done something different we'll probably be looking at a completely different
00:37:37
outcome well and that's one of the reasons why the banks release these statistics oh you come into the bank and
00:37:44
you rob us you're walking away with the average of a couple hundred bucks so is that even worth putting yourself into
00:37:52
this situation and that's why a lot of these Banks BS they used to have armed guards
00:38:00
and they realized that sometimes that escalates situations instead of de-escalating them and then you see now
00:38:07
a lot of situations where Banks won't have armed guards on staff well I want to be perfectly clear here too I'm not
00:38:15
blaming I'm blaming 0% of this situation on special agent Bailey this man took an
00:38:21
oath to protect and serve and he certainly did that that day he died a and this is a man that served our great
00:38:29
country two bronze Stars this is a man that that decided one day when I see something wrong going
00:38:37
on when I see a bad person I'm going to step into action and I'm going to take care of business well that's the O they
00:38:44
they made just like with nurses you know they make the o to to help individuals so if you ever seen somebody in public I
00:38:54
was on a plane recently and this lady was having an issue and there was a couple nurses that just sprung into
00:39:00
action and you just realized that these are some Elite humans just like this individual he he made the oath I'm going
00:39:08
to protect and serve my community and and he did so and what's so sad is okay so this guy comes in to rob the bank
00:39:17
you're going to walk away with a couple hundred bucks and now you got a murder charge is it worth the greed all of the
00:39:24
blame lies on the side of the bad guys of the robbers because had this not taken place at
00:39:30
all none of this would have come about so not blaming agent Bailey and in fact the the thing is with a lot of our good
00:39:38
women and men that protect and serve and serve this country in the military you ask them to do a job that most people
00:39:46
cannot do it's not fair to ask them to turn it on and off they they got to be on a lot of these people have to be on
00:39:54
all the time well I just want want to say this guy's a [ __ ] bag and also your makeup didn't look that good either no I
00:40:02
bet you he made for one ugly was one ugly woman check this out though Captain our Guy special agent John Bailey before
00:40:12
the Man rushed him knocking him to the floor Bailey took the guy's wallet he had he was already in the the
00:40:22
apprehending process so far that he had taken this man wallet so after the robber
00:40:29
fled the scene we now have police and EMTs arriving on the scene and the officers quickly notice the robber's
00:40:37
wallet is still at the scene a police officer who arrived at the crime scene shortly after the robber
00:40:46
fled discovered a motorcycle parked in the handicap parking space just outside of the Security Pacific Bank and
00:40:56
investigation of the vehicle identification number or the VIN on the motorcycle revealed that a man named
00:41:03
Jose acha was the owner of that motorcycle now a quick check with the DMV or BMV or whoever you are and
00:41:11
wherever you're from whatever they call it there disclosed that the license plate attached to that motorcycle in the
00:41:18
handicap spot belonged to another vehicle it was not a license plate that was to go on that motorcycle someone had
00:41:27
switched the plate but we know who the motorcycle belongs to because we have the
00:41:34
VIN but the rightful owner of the license plate found on the motorcycle was identified as a one Carlos Alfredo G
00:41:44
let's review some of the evidence that we have here Captain because we have this motorcycle we have the license
00:41:50
plate we have the wallet of the individual who was attempting to rob the bank we also have the grainy
00:41:57
surveillance camera video the footage that captured the desperate fight between the agent and the robber and we
00:42:06
also have the 911 call which was recorded which was the teller explaining what was going
00:42:14
on shortly after the robbery attempt and through the scuffle and the shots itself
00:42:20
unfortunately you can even hear faintly in the background some of the shots while the operator is on the phone with
00:42:29
this teller if you had this information it was just a robbery I mean they' obviously take it pretty serious but you
00:42:37
have officer dead this becomes very serious so where are they going to take this information and what are they going
00:42:44
to do with it you're exactly right Captain this is an all handson deck type of situation we got everybody at the Las
00:42:51
Vegas branch of the FBI that that is going to want to find both of these individuals arrest and
00:42:58
convict them and look that spreads throughout this entire country that's a federal agency and then you have local
00:43:06
PD this ends up being a very big case very quickly a very big investigation and luckily for the investigation itself
00:43:17
you've kind of been delivered your Prime suspect's names on a silver platter you
00:43:23
got the motorcycle you got the license plate and you got some 's identification so what they do is a
00:43:29
quick check on both of these individuals running their names through the system Mr Carlos and Mr Jose running their
00:43:37
names through the system they very quickly figure out that the two of course they know each other I'm
00:43:44
guessing that at one point they probably were concerned that maybe Jose had simply lifted a plate off of somebody
00:43:51
else and put it on the motorcycle but again they know that somebody drove Jose away from the scene after the robbery
00:44:00
attempt they figure out that these two guys share an apartment together and what I'm guessing happened here Captain
00:44:07
is that you have they were laid on rent well I who knows what they needed the money for or wanted the money for but
00:44:15
regardless I'm thinking as far as what played out before the robbery attempt is probably one of these individuals likely
00:44:23
Jose arrives on on the scene Parks the motorcycle in the handicap spot probably fashion himself up quickly in this this
00:44:34
not so great disguise of a woman with this the the arm and a sling because you don't want your
00:44:41
getaway vehicle sitting out in the parking lot for minutes or an hour or what have you you also don't want your
00:44:48
getaway driver constantly just circling around the building waiting waiting for you to come out so I'm guessing that he
00:44:54
went in there on the the motorcycle Parks it goes in in Disguise thinks that he can make a quick robbery who who
00:45:01
knows how much money they were hoping to get they probably have a designated time
00:45:06
hey at this time this is when I'm going to be inside the bank you need to be out
00:45:12
front of the bank as quickly as possible and I can flee and jump into that vehicle and we can drive off into the
00:45:18
sunset together maybe retrieve the motorcycle later or leave it there Al together who knows but of course we know
00:45:26
that their plan didn't work out that way and when they discovered that these two
00:45:30
individuals lived together and shared an apartment together there is a little bit
00:45:35
of break in the action right they're not going to know immediately how to track down both of
00:45:40
these individuals it takes just I'm imagining here just hours if not one day turnaround time but ultimately they
00:45:49
locate Carlos gur the getaway driver at his home and at the apartment he's still there they arrest him at the
00:45:59
apartment now what they're doing in the meantime is they have his picture and they have Jose
00:46:08
aa's picture as well they're showing these pictures to people that work at the bank and anybody that they think may
00:46:15
have seen these individuals or interacted with them before what they end up having here Captain is a lot of
00:46:21
people are starting to tell the investigators hey that that Carlos G guy I saw a guy that looked just like
00:46:29
him lurking around the bank days before and yes he was always on a motorcycle or near a motorcycle he was
00:46:39
just kind of hanging around outside of the bank they figure out ultimately that he was casing The Joint my guess here
00:46:45
too is that Jose AA was probably casing The Joint as well we just don't have anybody saying that they saw Jose AA
00:46:52
there before the robbery so they cased out this this joint and believe you me it is not by accident in my opinion that
00:47:01
they picked this bank because there was no armed guard now they're on the lookout for this Jose
00:47:09
AA well on the 26th of June they're going to get a phone call that they really wanted and this is the Mexican
00:47:21
authorities calling and saying we got your guy Jose AA fled to Mexico but was apprehended by Mexican
00:47:31
authorities and he was then taken to an airport and returned to the United States got him now both men are going to
00:47:40
be facing charges of first-degree murder and of course they didn't plan on killing anybody that day when they chose
00:47:48
to rob the bank but as we know in many states if you commit a murder especially that of a federal agent in the process
00:47:58
of committing other felonies well you're going to face you're going to be looking
00:48:03
at the most strictest of punishments the the most strictest of charges and so they're both charged with first-degree
00:48:11
murder in 1991 Jose AA was convicted on five counts uh one was first-degree murder
00:48:19
and the use of a deadly weapon burglary attempted robbery escape and conspiracy he was sentenced to death Carlos was
00:48:29
also convicted of first-degree murder with the use of a deadly weapon burglary attempted robbery and conspiracy
00:48:36
receiving a life sentence in prison with the possibility of parole now both men appealed their
00:48:44
convictions uh Jose also appealed his sentence is there charges higher because it's a federal building and
00:48:53
it's a federal agent I would imagine that's all encompassing in this situation here the the other thing
00:49:00
that's key too is not only did he kill an FBI agent but he killed an FBI agent after the man after agent Bailey
00:49:11
identified himself as such right so the the suspect knows that this is a federal
00:49:18
agent and with that comes a different set of charges and pent and penalties one of the the difficult ult things here
00:49:26
in this case though captain and one of the things that is in Jose aa's appeals he had multiple appeals obviously but in
00:49:35
one of the appeals his argument was Mexican authorities they it sounds like they did
00:49:41
a number on him once he was arrested or at least according to Jose's version of the story that they beat him up pretty
00:49:50
good and this before returning him to the United States he says during during the course of of them beating him up and
00:49:58
and the torture or whatever they put him through that that's when he confessed to
00:50:04
them what's difficult here though is it doesn't appear that that confession was really used in any way for the
00:50:10
conviction of this individual and I don't know how this would work you know a lot of this legal stuff is very tricky
00:50:17
to kind of parse out and sift through but the situation would be even if he is telling the truth he was
00:50:26
assaulted by an agency outside of this country not by an any of our agencies that worked his case in Las Vegas or in
00:50:34
the United States my my issue with a lot of these criminals is they they want to
00:50:40
be treated a certain way they want to be pampered in such a way essentially the these these
00:50:48
horrible [ __ ] stains they're animals it's like uh you see on TV somebody there's a high-speed
00:50:58
chase and when the officers get the guy they slam him on the ground just a little bit too hard and people go oh
00:51:05
look at that that's police brutality and you're like this guy was driving hundreds of miles an hour in all
00:51:12
these zones where if he would have hit a child yes or I mean it's like and and that's the frustration once they get
00:51:19
their hands on right one of these [ __ ] PR it's like they okay they slammed him
00:51:23
down a little bit too hard cuffed him a little too hard they don't care that he's a little uncomfortable it's
00:51:29
criminal brutality for the all the events that led up to being slammed on the ground it's it's the the human
00:51:37
indifference toward other potential loss of life or injury to your fellow man by
00:51:43
the criminal as well that upsets me it's just like what we talked about in yesterday's case they put that bomb on
00:51:49
top of a car in a public place anybody could have walked up and picked that thing up it could have been it someone
00:51:56
that it was not intended for and I'm not saying that I wanted it to hit anybody at all right I'm just saying anybody a
00:52:03
child could have walked over and picked that thing up and that's the thing that that I get upset about too here Captain
00:52:11
is that these criminals we see it time and time again this these guys set out on a mission to take an armed weapon to
00:52:21
be armed and go into a bank with a weapon and Rob the place for money for money and in the process one of them
00:52:30
murdered a federal agent and the other individual helped drive that person away from the scene and so we have this time
00:52:40
and time again where criminals will ask or expect a certain level of respect expect a certain level of
00:52:50
compassion of human decency from the rest of us from the General Public yeah from all of the citizens of this great
00:52:57
country and other great countries when in turn they would never give us any respect they would never show us any
00:53:03
compassion they would never show us any human decency and I'm a get what you give kind of person you ain't getting
00:53:09
that from me yeah preach on brother man we also had a couple situations take place that I think are interesting to
00:53:15
this case and provide additional evidence uh against these two individuals one was that blue Firebird
00:53:23
was recovered it was found a abandon along a highway and they also figured out that at Jose aa's request another
00:53:32
individual actually buried two the two guns that were used in the robbery the one that shot John L Bailey and those
00:53:41
guns were later recovered so we had some other individuals that faced some charges as well in this situation we do
00:53:49
have agent Bailey who he had a family he had a wife and a family his daugh da is
00:53:55
now grown and what they did was they they actually dedicated the the Las Vegas FBI building which is located at
00:54:06
Lake me and at Martin Luther King this building was dedicated and named in memory of Special Agent John L Bailey
00:54:16
that took place in August of 200 and S and I know this is what we do it's called crime garage I know we're going
00:54:26
to talk about crimes every week but it's aggravating but yeah I mean it's like just be better people it's just I was in
00:54:35
the grocery store line the other day and it's like they didn't have enough lines
00:54:39
open and this lady just started acting like a child and I just thought your your daughters here be better Kinder
00:54:47
humans patience truly is a virtue yeah or you get up in the line and the lady in front of me is complaining
00:54:55
complaining to the cashier it's like do you think the cashier wants a huge line no she looks miserable she looks
00:55:03
miserable because there's 20 people in her line and there's no backup coming and you just go why can't you be better
00:55:10
people or like when you're driving down a two-lane Highway and you see a car coming into your lane because they're on
00:55:17
their freaking phone like can't can't we all just start being a little bit more mature a little more more aware of
00:55:25
others a little bit more compassionate like you can spread kindness I know that sounds maybe a little hippie sappy
00:55:35
whatever you want to say but you can spread kindness you could spread kindness you can spread love try to make
00:55:43
this try to wake up every day and make this world a little bit [Music] better [Music]
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we will be at crime conon Las Vegas this Friday and Saturday on podcast row so if
00:56:09
you are there in attendance please drop by our little table and say hello to the
00:56:13
captain say hello to the colonel and everybody traveling to Las Vegas this weekend safe travels to you have a fun
00:56:21
safe time while you're there I just want to hug and squeeze and kiss each and every one of you hold you tight
00:56:28
to my bosom make me feel good like like I'm filled up with a warm Campbell Soup Colonel do we have any recommended
00:56:38
reading for the beautiful listener yes we do Captain this week we are recommending a new book that's a great
00:56:44
book it's called the girl I never knew by Lonna Humphrey and guess what little surprise here the forward was written by
00:56:51
yours truly so make sure you check out the girl I never knew by Ladonna Humphrey and that is available in
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paperback and it's about the Melissa wit case still unsolved after all of these years did you have a ghost riter no did
00:57:05
you use a computer or did you use a typewriter I used a computer and and a notepad if we if we really want to get
00:57:14
you heard here first folks right pen to paper and then fingers to keyboard yeah check out the girl I never knew you can
00:57:22
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00:57:29
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