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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] Thanks and praise. Thanks and praise. Mail time. Actually, criticism and
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praise. Criticism. Um, so taking to the blog at the old truecrimeg.com. Love the conversations
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on there. 95% of them awesome conversations. Mhm. Um, so for last week we did two one-parters, two one-part episodes
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because they were there were shorter cases with you know the one case Mckenzie's
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case is is fairly new and so not a lot of information per se, a lot of stuff that we're going to learn as they go
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through the court proceedings to convict that that [ __ ] Right. So, where the criticism came in on the blog, which is
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which is fine and and probably rightfully so. I'd rather somebody point it out than it not be pointed out at
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all, was you and I got into it a little bit, but we didn't dive deep into the sugar baby, sugar daddy thing that's
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going around regarding that case. Yeah. Um, we didn't I don't want to say we purposely left that out because that
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wasn't really the angle there. we weren't really putting an angle or spin on it. It's more so that that is
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something that's certainly suspected in the case and several people said, you know, look, that's that's part of the
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case. So, so choosing to leave it out is not telling us the whole story, which I
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get that, but we did touch upon it a little bit at least the dangers of social media and the dangers of the um
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what is the wonderful internet. But yeah, I brought it up a couple times during our our breaks just because that
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to me it was it was kind of the reason why this case was being talked about a lot on the internet and it I did feel at
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the time that we kind of glazed over it a little bit. Oh, I definitely think we I think we definitely Yeah, just just
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kind of smoothed it over a little bit. But um yeah, it's one of those things though. It's it's difficult to really
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tear through that part of the story of that case because we don't the police their
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their statement has been that we don't know the interaction between the victim and the killer. And I'm sure that's
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something that we're going to learn as things come out and as this goes to trial. And I think maybe that's when
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it's better to be discussed because I'd hate to. We're talking about a young woman who had her whole life ahead of
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her and this guy chose to to be a monster and we talked about him being a a budding serial killer
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and he he ended all that. He ruined all that. He destroyed all that. And I think
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for for me personally, my feelings and thoughts were just rather than rather than go into
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this big time and I didn't want to get in a situation where it was almost victim blaming because that's that's not
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any part of the story or any part of that case. Mhm. And so I felt like really diving into that we would be
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because the police's official statement is we do not know exactly the the relationship or whatever interaction
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these two had with each other leading up to the abduction cuz let's keep in mind
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she was abducted. Uh, I I felt that we would be doing McKenzie and her family just a big
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injustice to to really dive into that and not really knowing exactly what it is. Well, here's a bunch of questions
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that we we don't know. Right. Right. One, is this the first time that she met with this guy? Right. We don't know
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that. That's the answer. We don't know right now. A as far as the information that has come out on the internet, we do
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not know. We also do not know. Like you were just saying, there are women that go on to
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dating websites and to apps, you know, dating apps and and basically sign up and they you and this is kind of what
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she was talking about. um what Mackenzie was posting on on somebody's Facebook page basically explaining you can go on
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these apps and you can use these as a tools to meet men but with your description and what you're laying out
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you're basically stating here's the kind of relationship I want a sugar baby relationship
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now we do not know and you brought this up in the show we do not know based on other social media based on other
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applications How many apps was she involved in? Was she using this? You know, cuz one of the listeners was like,
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she was working as a sugar baby. I don't know if that's actually what it's called, right? But if it is called that,
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is it possible that she had a a Tinder app or a Bumble app or or some kind of dating app that she was using just for
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her personal use that she wasn't she was looking for an actual relationship and not a sugar baby, sugar daddy
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relationship? These are things that we don't know. So, is it possible that she met this individual again? Did she meet
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him before? Did she meet him uh in in the sugar baby context? Or did she meet him because she liked him and she wanted
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to try to have a relationship with this guy? Well, and it's completely unclear, too, if he was even presenting himself
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for who he is. You know, he could have been pretending to be somebody else, pretending to be somebody that he's not.
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They could, and we pointed this out too, they could have had, there could be a total
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misunderstanding on why they were meeting that night. That's just not known to us looking in. That's one of
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those weird cases where it's like if we would have covered it a year or two after they solved this case, you'd
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probably get a lot different story from us regarding this because we would have more information. we would have more of
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the facts and we would have more stuff to state on that. I mean, who knows? This could turn out to be a situation
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where she was going there under the pretenses of something completely different. Um, that could be totally
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innocent on her end. And and now we're sitting here and I and that's why Right. Right. But again, here here's the issue.
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I think the issue with the listener is going, "This is how I found the case." you know, you know, the headline read,
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"Sugar baby is missing," or whatever, whatever the stupid headline was that kind of got them to go, "Oh, what's this
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all about?" Then they read a, you know, a little article and then then we covered the case and they were like,
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"Oh, what do I know about the case?" And we left out like the one piece of information that most people knew about
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the case. And I think that's which which is not um confirmed, right? which I agree with you, which my
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problem with the listener is when they go, "Did you do any goddamn research?" Uh, yeah. Yeah. Go go go read an article
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about this. Most of the articles about this at the time were just this sugar baby angle and that was it.
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We gave you all the other things, right? Well, the important stuff that we that we know to be uh true in in the facts of
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the case and but I don't think it's irresponsible to put out that there is some rumors that this was going on.
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There's some evidence of that. We don't know if that's how she made a connection
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with this guy. And and it and it gets a little dicey. You it get becomes a little gray area. you don't want a
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victim blame. But at the same time, I think that we have a responsibility um to say, okay, even if even if this
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was that she met this guy through an app, not through like a sugar baby, sugar daddy connection, but she just met
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this guy as far as dating and and this was the first time she met him. It's not It's not a good idea to be meeting
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somebody that you don't know in the middle of the night at a park. Oh, yeah. It's not responsible. And I Or maybe
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anywhere, right? But what what is sad is that we live in a society that if you say
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that we don't know little things. So we can't say for certain. But what we can say for certain
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is again well again we can't even say this for certain because they might have met a couple times. Mhm. And
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then can you fault her for meeting this person late at night that she possibly has met a couple times because we know
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that there was a a text history? We know that there was uh exchanging of photos,
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but again, we don't know if they met up for drinks. We don't know if they met up
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for coffee. We don't know these things. But if they didn't, this is very irresponsible. The, you know, people
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need to be careful because there's so many sickos out there. There's there's animals out there. There monsters out
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there. Well, that's why they say to vet people that you meet on the internet or vet
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people that in any shape or form that you can for people that you meet anywhere. Yeah. I'm a, you know, 63 guy,
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200 million pounds. Um, you know, I wouldn't meet somebody for the first time at a park late at
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night. I just wouldn't do it. And and the likelihood that I would, you know, meet uh somebody on a dating app
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and you know what I mean? Like I I just I wouldn't I wouldn't even do it out of just respect for the person, for the for
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the girl to go, you want to meet up sometime if they're like, "Yeah, let's meet up at 2:00 in the park. We'll hang
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out." Yeah, about 6:00 on a Sunday for some coffee or something. So, but I think it it it becomes dicey because a
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lot of these true crime shows when you put out some opinions like that, I don't think that's a wrong opinion to put out.
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Mhm. Um but but then people are quick to go, you're victim blaming. You're victim
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blaming. Well, there there are people that are putting themselves into bad situations and we should bring those up
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when those happen. If you're running at the park at 7 in the morning and you get
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attacked, what fault do you have? You know what I mean? Well, I see what you're saying, but I mean, we
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people people have the right to to do things that are just regular stuff and and yeah, but I don't think meetings
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again, I don't know for sure, but let's say it's the first time they're meeting,
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but we it's not it's not a safe situation. That's why I think it's a slippery slope to get into that part of
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the case when it's it seems unnecessary at this at this point when we don't know
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what was going on there. Well, I Maybe it doesn't maybe it doesn't seem necessary, but I think it is necessary
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because these situations keep happening. This is a newer case and and part of I think part of uh what we should be
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trying to do as a community is say look, she didn't she didn't get anything that she deserved or anything like that,
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but it's just be careful. Put yourself in the best situations and try to stay in safe situations. And I don't think
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that's wrong to say. No, no, not at all. Now, where we did get praise was for the
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the other oneparter, uh, Patrick Denah, who was a murder victim, and a lot of people thought, you know, that knew the
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story, people from that area were reaching out, and they all shared the same um dis displeasure,
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right? Uh, I I don't know if that's the best. I wanted to say something real mean here, but u I'm trying to be nice
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today. Good vibes. Good vibes. But um they a lot of people pointed out, "Hey, I was worried that the story was over
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and then you guys came right back in with the uh coach Dave Bliss is an is is a jerk." Uh and went into that angle of
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of the of the case. And that that was that was kind of cool to hear that a lot of people cuz sometimes you come down
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and you um I was not worried about being too harsh on Dave Bliss because they think he's a real dirt bag. Uh but it
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was it was interesting to hear that people from that area and at that that were living around there experiencing
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that that was local news for some of these people and they're saying that was a a part of the story. That was a big
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part of the case for me living there or for me attending the Baylor University at the time, right? And it that's as
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terrible and as tragic as a of a whole story as that is, it's the it's the basketball program and the head coach's
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actions that are really the they're they're shocking at the You know what I mean? Because you you when
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you dive through that that investigation and that murder investigation, what what
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may have happened in that case, you almost think like, [ __ ] I can't take any more of this. This is just, you
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know, one misdeed after another. And then then you the story is not over yet. You find
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out that the the the victim has been killed. This this young man was murdered. And now we got a coach that
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wants to blame his misdeedings on on the victim. Yeah. And here's what I'm confused about. So maybe you can clear
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this up for me. So I I kind of the way I took it was that he came out and he said, you know, this guy was a drug
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dealer and and and basically he was putting himself in really bad situations. Again, victim
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blaming. Right. Right. But then the documentary came out about this and I thought that he kind
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of the coach anyways like backpedled on his comments. Oh, that's all he's ever done,
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man. Like that's that's all he's ever done. He's many times he's said that, "Okay, I'm I'm going to tell the truth
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or I'm going to tell you what really happened." And he just he really minimizes his whole involvement in the
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whole thing. And it's just really he's just a despicable person. He has a chance to to write a huge wrong and he
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just kind of refuses to do so because I don't know. Right. That was where my confusion was. It sounded like to me
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during when we're talking about it was that he kind of came out and said, "Hey, I'm really sorry I made these comments."
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But then when I was looking back at the documentary to like do these little promo clips, I was like, "Wait a second.
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He doesn't really back down on this. He basically kind of doubles down." No. So,
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this is my this is just my opinion. I can't tell you what he feels or thinks and I don't want to I don't really want
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to analyze him too much. But my opinion of Dave Bliss is a man that feels like a victim himself
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that he was doing a bunch of wrong stuff and he only got caught because one of his players got killed by another
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player. Right. And I I truly think at the end of the day he thinks of himself as a victim that oh I I would have been
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I would have been able to just keep doing my thing but this terrible thing happened and I got outed because of it.
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But I mean, there's nothing there's it's so slimy. So incredibly slimy to have a
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have a young man get murdered by another one of the teammates and then behind closed doors, you're trying to convince
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the other coaches, we need to paint the victim as a drug dealer because we have this money
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that he was getting, the player was getting, right, that we need to make up for. and and we can't have it coming
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from us. So, it has to come from somewhere where they can't trace it. So, oh yeah, he was involved in drugs and
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and uh a drug dealer and that's how he was getting that money to pay for this vehicle and to pay for his tuition and
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things like that. And well, right, but I think also, you know, not to play complete devil's advocate here, but it's
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like it's one of those things where somebody says, "Hey, this is person A, B, C, and D." We don't really have
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evidence of that. We don't have evidence of Patrick doing this. But is it possible that he was, you know, cuz
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there, you know, I know a lot of friends that have at one point or another bought
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some weed, maybe sold some weed. I wouldn't consider them drug dealers, but is it possible that that's
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something he did every now and then and that the coach knew about it? And and yes, he feels like a victim himself, but
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he's also trying to put actually put some light onto the context of what happened.
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No. No. I mean, we're talking about, okay, let's say somebody buys a bag of weed and sells half of it to their
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friend to to so it doesn't cost them as much. We're we're talking about thousands of dollars that needed to be
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made up for, right? He has to paint him as a legit drug dealer, as somebody that's bringing in thousands of dollars
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to cover these expenses. And not only is he doing that, he's trying to convince the other coaches who know
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better that this is what was going on. And oh, it's it's not necessarily about um for Bliss, it was about him saving
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his own ass. And he conveyed that to the coaches in almost a threatening manner,
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saying, "Look, I've been coaching for 25 years. There's never been any suspicion
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that I've ever done anything wrong. So, I'm not worried about that. I got a clean record here. That's his as a head
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coach. He's trying to bully all the coaching in in in college is look, some of these people make a lot of money as a
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head coach. A lot of these guys and women that that go into coaching for years, they work shitty jobs. They make
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no money. They move all over. Their families half the time hate them because they can't stay in one place sometimes
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longer than a than one season. And they work these terrible jobs to get to to make their way up and through the ranks
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to be a head coach to be somebody that can get finally what they deserve in in a good salary, right? And and work at a
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prestigious university. And he used Dave Bliss not only not only tried to blame the victim of a murder for all of his
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own misdeings, he tried to bully all of his underlings, all of his coaches that were under him that probably questioned,
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should I just fold and follow this guy into the light? Should I just Should I just go along with what he's saying
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because he is a successful head coach at a prestigious university and I'm some guy that's trying to make my way
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up and and it's just the I mean it's just the dirtiest slimiest thing I've seen in in in a while. And and actually
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to be honest with you, when we put uh Patrick Denah's case on our case list, I actually didn't know any part of that of
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that story right at the time. That was just something that I stumbled upon. Now, in all fairness to the listeners, I
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I did I have not seen the documentary. I believe it's called Disgraced. I've not seen that
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documentary. I guess it was a um This is why I hate my cable company. So, um, it was a Showtime documentary and I
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think it's probably about 5 years ago now. I've heard good things about it. So, I really wanted to watch it when I
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through the research stumbling upon, oh, there's this documentary out there. My uh, Showtime on Demand on my
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cable does not, if you type that in, it doesn't, it's like it never existed. It doesn't know anything about it. But if I
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get onto my Amazon app, I can very easily find the disgraced documentary and it says if you sign up for Showtime
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on Amazon, this you can watch this free with the with your Showtime subscription. So, for whatever reason,
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the really good people and smart people at Amazon Prime are able to figure out how to have that
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documentary for your ondemand portion of your Showtime there. But apparently my cable company limited on what they're
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offering and I wasn't going to get a second subscription just to see it. I think they should have just had it on my
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my Showtime already. No, but what I what I was trying to say is if you listen to some
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of his comments, like look, I mean it it could be as simple as this guy is just a bold-faced
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liar. He's just trying to throw everybody under the bus. Blah blah blah. He's a dirt bag. That's very possible.
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I'm just saying if anything that he's saying is true. Um because just the way he you know
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there's just then what though? I don't understand if if anything he's saying is true. I I don't I'm You're losing me
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here. with He wasn't a drug. You'd have to watch You'd have to watch the documentary to see those comments, but
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it's just the way um he wasn't a drug dealer. We The only person that ever tried to say that was was Dave Bliss. We
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don't have any friends, family members, nobody saying that. When his body was found, they did toxicology report. No
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alcohol, no drugs found in his system. There's there's no evidence to back any of that stuff up. And the the the
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compartment that I put Dave Bliss in is how do you know he's lying? His lips are
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moving. This guy this guy doesn't care about about people the way that normal people do. He cares about himself and he
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cares about his career and he cares about his reputation and legacy and that's it. and he's
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willing, more than willing to bully his his coaches and his players for for his own sake. And he's willing to to throw a
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murder victim, a young man's reputation under the bus to to to save his own ass and and to save his own stupid
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reputation. Yeah, it kind of reminds me um even though I mean it's quite different but
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it the when we're going over the the case I haven't seen the movie in a while but uh Above the Rim remember that
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vaguely movie with Tupac Shakur. It was one of those movies where it's like I I didn't watch in the theaters and I it
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was, you know, like Saturday waiting for a football game to come on or or Sunday
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waiting for a football to game to come on and it was on another channel and you kind of like flip back and forth and
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kind of halfwatch it. But I remember it being somewhat good but also strange. But but
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but what I'm saying is I think be uh because uh okay, let's let's just say everything
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he's saying is a lie. But I think some of the reason why he has been able to get away with some of that is because of
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these coaches. All these coaches, like you said, they work their their butts off to get into positions where they're
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actually now making money. And if you watch like a movie like Blue Chips or whatever, it's like some of these
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coaches are willing to do anything and bend the rules and they they almost become like
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gangsters. Um, and and that's why I bring up above the rim because it's it's not just as
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simple as like, uh, yeah, we know that these kids are kind of bad kids, but we're going to bring them into our
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system. The the bad kid is coming into a system that's already corrupt. You You see what I'm saying? I
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I'm totally lost here. Okay. You take Who's the bad kid in our in our story? No, what I'm what I'm say
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what I'm saying is because of Bliss's statements and because this has happened so many times, they
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always in any of these situations, the athlete is normally the one that gets thrown under the bus. And now we have a
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situation where you have a dead athlete and then this coach is going to throw him under the bus. And and who was
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thrown under the bus? Patrick. That's who was thrown under the bus. Did the Did the um Did the coach lose their job?
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Yes. But they're still teaching. They're still coaching. They went to another they went to another university. Yeah.
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Are they making less money? But they're making something. and then they get fired because the documentary comes out
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and he still gets another job. So, but what I'm saying is because of the culture has been this way,
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especially in college sports, there's there's so many times where it's it's a bad, you know, they
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they make it out to be a bad seed and not just a bad organization and that these these
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athletes then have to take a fall. um you know for for the whole university. Um so I do want to get into
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some other stuff here real quick because we have this is where where the show can
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a prime example of how our show can can really try to help an ongoing case one that that is certainly very cold. We
00:28:38
recently covered the uh Barbara Blatnik case unsolved out of uh northeastern Ohio. Now, one thing that was was tricky
00:28:48
when piecing her case together was the timeline of the last night that she was seen and who she was with and where she
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could have been. There were some um there were some unknowns about that timeline and about where she was and who
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she was with and and all that. There was and I don't even know if unknowns really
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fully describes it because there's we have her friend who came forward Michelle who fills in some of those
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blanks and has said you know she was with me from you know this time to this time when we were at the pub together.
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But one thing where where you where the listeners helped out big time and this is this is going to be important here.
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It's something. It's a way of trying to fill out that timeline because there's this thing is still unsolved and maybe
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police have never spoke to the guilty party. Maybe the police have never talked to people that know of that
00:29:53
guilty party or what was going on that night. But if we can if together if we can start to correct the timeline and
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start to fill in some of those blanks and some of those missing pieces, then maybe that person gets looked at at some
00:30:10
point and maybe we can point people into the right direction. So through some a lot of back and forth and what we have
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is some clarification on that evening and it's pretty simple stuff but but follow along.
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It's one listener responded on the blog and pointed out, hey, there were two bike shops in that area and what we were
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referring to the bike shop was this motorcycle specialties, right, which was located on Warner Road. Now, the person
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on our blog stated there were two bike shops, there was a bicycle store and there was a motorcycle store. this
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motorcycle specialties. And the the person on the blog said that they believed that both stores were owned by
00:31:02
the same family. Here's what we did. We took that information, took it back to to people
00:31:09
that lived in that area at the time, people that were close to the case, and said, "Look, there seems to be some kind
00:31:14
of discrepancy in the timeline that we delivered on the show, and this person is presenting this tidbit of information
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that we would have no way of knowing, not growing up in that area, living in that area at the time.
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we want to figure this out and and um see if we can correct this timeline at least for her family and for her friends
00:31:36
that are still being active in this investigation. So, what we figured out was there are in fact two stores.
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There's one called Motorcycle Specialties that we mentioned on our show that was located on Warner Road.
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the other store that that many in the neighborhood referred to as the bike shop. And remember, Captain, we were
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just kind of saying that that people in the neighborhood probably just referred to Motorcycle Specialties as the bike
00:32:04
shop. What they were referring to is another store and this store was just simply called bikes and it was located
00:32:11
on Turney Road. So, a completely different store. I could not get confirmation that the two stores were
00:32:19
owned by the same family. So, that we don't know regarding what the the poster put on our blog,
00:32:28
right? Uh but what we can confirm is this that the other store was called Bikes. It was located on Turney Road.
00:32:36
Now, what's interesting there is in our timeline, we had mentioned that Barbie said that she was going to a party on
00:32:44
Turney Road. And then there's other people saying, "Hey, kids that age and and some young adults were were partying
00:32:53
at this bike shop in a basement at this bike shop." Well, what we were able to figure out is we don't believe that she
00:33:01
was ever at Motorcycle Specialties. We actually believe that the bikes store on Turney Road is where she may have gone
00:33:10
at some point that afternoon or evening because through clarification, what we're told is and we do know the owner
00:33:18
of uh of this of this store, but I'm not no need to give that name out, right? But
00:33:27
what we were told is that the basement remember people would party in the basement of one of these stores. And
00:33:33
I've been told by locals that grew up there at the time that the bikes store on Turney Road was the one with the
00:33:40
basement where people partied at. And for clarification, it sounds like the motorcycle
00:33:46
specialties has nothing to do with that night with that timeline that it was not
00:33:52
Barbie would not have partied there. So interesting stuff. Um, Phil, that's just like when we're growing up, there
00:34:00
was a pizza shop called Johnny's. But if somebody said, "We're going to go hang out at the pizza shop." Pretty much
00:34:07
you'd know that that's the pizza shop you're going to, even though there was multiple pizza shops on that road. Mhm.
00:34:13
It's just you didn't hang out at the other pizza shops. So, it is it is interesting to, you know, try to put
00:34:21
together a story and go, "Well, there's this mo motorcycle shop. Are people hanging out there?"
00:34:27
uh and if so, is there a basement? And then to find out, well, it possibly is this whole other uh bike shop, which uh
00:34:35
you know, the the thing that kind of sucks is obviously there's less people that listen to this show, but is that
00:34:42
would that spark any information to come out, you know, um that it's not the motorcycle shop, but
00:34:49
the actual bike shop? Um I here's my guess. My guess is with how active uh Barbie's family has been with this case,
00:34:59
with her case, and how active a couple of her closer friends were. My belief is, you know, I I like
00:35:07
to I I like to hope that we've uncovered some new information. This is probably information that that made its way to
00:35:14
the right people all those years ago. At least I hope so. if it has not the people that
00:35:22
that I took this information to because I needed to get some some answers and clarification on some things because as
00:35:28
I said I don't know that area during that time frame. So clearing that up, of course, I followed that up with I if if
00:35:37
you even if you believe you've already shared this information with law enforcement, right? Remind them of this
00:35:44
because you may think that you have or misremember that you have or maybe you weren't asked these specific
00:35:51
questions. You know, follow up and and give them this information. Now, well, it could be as simple as too as like if
00:35:58
you have this. Again, we don't know the situation, but you got a bike shop, motorcycle shop. Maybe people hang out
00:36:06
in front of that. Cops would know about that. Maybe they wouldn't know so much about this this bike shop that people
00:36:13
are hanging out in the basement as much. So, you know, is it is it a possibility
00:36:18
that she ended up at both at some point in the night? It's it's possible. I've been told by those same people that
00:36:26
I verified this information with that that motorcycle specialties has nothing to do with this case. That's that's what
00:36:33
their opinion is of of the the case. So, um but right, but my so but my question
00:36:40
is is that because nobody hangs out there? It was it wasn't a hangout spot. from what I've been told is uh Barbie
00:36:48
would not have gone there and and I don't I don't know, you know, I didn't ask for a book report on on uh why
00:36:55
Motorcycle Specialties has nothing to do with it. And and to to be honest with you, once I'm being told that it's a
00:37:02
completely different store on a different road, I mean, that kind of that kind of clears a lot of it up right
00:37:08
right then and there. So, um, but that's those are my favorite favorite comments
00:37:15
and posts to get on the blog is where locals, you know, will go, I remember this case, and, "Oh, I remember the
00:37:23
neighborhood. I grew up near there." And and they'll um include uh pieces of information and stuff that that are
00:37:31
things that that that are important to add on to the case. You know, we talked about uh we had people come forward. it
00:37:39
regarding the apartment complex from the Amy Hooper case and information that's come forward about, you know, Amy
00:37:47
Mahalavic in in the the school systems around there where people had comments throughout the years and and thoughts
00:37:54
throughout the years. So, it's always it's always interesting to me to hear from people that are from the area and
00:38:01
remember the case and remember the neighborhood and things like that and details of such. And I think I hope
00:38:08
anyway and that was the goal when we covered Barbie's case was to stir the pot, shake a few trees and see if
00:38:16
anything falls out. So it was interesting to see that that the pot seems to have been stirred and that
00:38:23
people are remembering this case and talking about it again. And who knows, maybe maybe they can they can revive the
00:38:32
energy. And personally, you know, we talked about this when we covered it. There's rumor
00:38:39
and speculation that this could be one in a series of four killings that it's possible serial killer, undetected
00:38:46
serial killer that was operating in that last 6 months or so of that year in that
00:38:52
area. Personally, I don't think that it's connected to the other three. I know that people close to the case also
00:38:59
suspect differently that there was somebody that knew Barbie, that knew Barbara. And but I'm fine with the
00:39:08
community tagging this in undetected serial killer. anything to get it back in the news into the newspapers and back
00:39:15
into the minds of the people in the community to to get this thing moving because I do think this is one of those
00:39:21
ones, Captain, where where you review the case and yeah, there were some missing parts and pieces from the
00:39:26
timeline and there was a lot of people that she could have been hanging out with at different parts of that night,
00:39:32
which makes it difficult, but but you also look at it and you go, "This thing seems solvable. This seems like it's
00:39:39
something that that they could uh finally get some justice for for Barbara, potentially get a very
00:39:46
dangerous person off of the streets if they've not already been locked up or passed away and get a case off of their
00:39:54
books. It seems like a very very solvable case to me. Well, yeah. Back in high school when you a Friday night, you
00:40:03
didn't have cell phones, so you couldn't you couldn't find out where your friends
00:40:07
were all the time. So sometimes you'd have to go home and, you know, check in. Did somebody call? Where where's
00:40:13
everybody at? Or you'd drive by your friend's houses. We used to do that all the time. Oh, drive by so and so's
00:40:20
house. And then after, oh, no cars are there. Let's drive by so and so's house. So, like you said, there was a million
00:40:27
possibilities really where she could have been hanging out that night. Bike shop, motorcycle shop, any of these
00:40:34
places. She could have drove by, saw somebody, waved, whatever. So, that seems like it it
00:40:42
makes things a little difficult because the timeline's so blurry, but really at the end of the day, we don't need to
00:40:48
even know any of that information. We just need to know the last person that she was with and the and the last, you
00:40:55
know, did she get a ride from somebody or whatever that is. We just need that piece of information.
00:41:08
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