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talk some true crime [Music] foreign [Music] Candace hiltz was found dead August 15
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2006. she was shot seven times total six in the head and one in the chest three guns might have been used to kill
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Candace hilts a shotgun a small caliber gun and a bullet from a medium caliber gun
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the paths of the bullets are steeply downward back to front and left to right the autopsy does not present evidence
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that the guns were fired at close range or the order she was shot Candice was shot in the head once with a shotgun and
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then five times in the back with a gun of a small caliber she was also shot once in the chest from
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the front with a gun of a medium caliber someone had broken into the home of Candace hilts and murdered her that
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afternoon with the gun evidence was it one person using three guns or two killers
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or possibly more this is just the first of many strange twists in the murder of 17 year old Candace
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Hills and this is true crime garage [Music] foreign [Music] was born on December 22nd 1988 in Canon
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City Colorado Candice was born into a large family she was the only girl and the youngest child she had nine older
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brothers unfortunately Candace was only five years old when her father passed away
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at a very early age it was obvious that Candace was extremely intelligent Dolores hilts is Candace's mother and
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she describes her daughter as candy was a gift and noted that Candace was doing calculus at the age of 11. Candace's
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sister-in-law this is Heather hiltz said the two were close growing up and grew even closer when she married into the
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family and saying Candace was outspoken smart funny and would readily tell you what she thought even if you didn't like
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what she was saying sounds like somebody I know yeah sounds like somebody I'm sitting next to uh
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sit next to yourself she grew up to be a strong young lady who could give her nine older brothers a dressing down if
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she thought they needed it now we mentioned that Candace was very smart uh this is how smart she was when most kids
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her age were in high school she was enrolled at Brigham Young University when Candace was 16 she was halfway done
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with college but then she got pregnant and then gave birth to a baby girl and named her Paige this is in September of
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2005. Paige was born with an illness this is a hydrocephalus which is basically fluids or buildup of fluids on
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the brain or in the brain this meant that Paige would not likely live a very long life
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Candace questioned her mother about how she could afford to continue to go to college and also care for her ill
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daughter Dolores and Candace decided that they would figure out something and Candace's mom never told her that she
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should drop out of school and just get a job intend to the baby no Dolores told her daughter that college was you know
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her daughter's dream and that they would figure something out so by the age of 17 Candace was a mom
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and still a college student but now taking classes online through BYU she was looking to fulfill another goal
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after BYU she had just received an acceptance letter to Stanford law school so by the age of 18 she was going to
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graduate from BYU and then go on to Stanford law school her dream was to be a Supreme Court Justice on August 10
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2006 the sheriff's department is going to show up at the health home and they have questions because they're looking
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for Candace's brother yeah and this is uh officer Robert Dodd from the local sheriff's department he's at the hilt's
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home now we have to set this up a bit before we get into this stuff so the hilt's home is located in Fremont County
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in Colorado which is policed by the Fremont County Sheriff's Department Candace and her daughter Paige lived at
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Dolores hilt's home remember this is Candace's mother I've read several newspaper accounts of this and I'm still
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a bit fuzzy on who was all living at the home for reasons it will become clear as
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we go but according to the newspaper accounts they are quoting Candace's mother Dolores Candace and Paige lived at her
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home along with a couple of her older brothers of those older brothers is James hiltz who is a very big part of
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our story James suffered from some pretty severe mental illness his mother describes this as he is very delusional
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and fearful of interaction with other people and this fear or phobia of other people extended to his own family
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James's mother says that at this time in August of 2006 James was living in a tent in the woods behind the hilt's home
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now this is a very rural area so to be a little bit more clear James was living deep in the woods behind their house so
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maybe something a little bit deeper than just anxiety maybe some sort of schizophrenia possibly that's what I
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would believe and the reports I've read it sounds like they would often not see James for days
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uh Dolores said James would rarely interact with anyone in the hilt's family he didn't have any close friends
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because he had this fear of interacting or being around other people the Lord said James believed that some other
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woman was his actual mother and this of course only distanced him further from the family
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it sounds like this was a pretty long-term condition that they had been dealing with for a long time because
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it's often reported that Candace stood up for her older brother because unfortunately a lot of times people can
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be mean so anyway back to the Sheriff's Department Officer Robert Dodd was sent to the hilt's home he was there to
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question James the reports are for trespassing and stealing some items James entered somebody's home and took
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some of their property well of course James is not there for officer dot to question him because he's living in the
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woods so officer Dodd talks to Dolores and Candace FYI I should throw this out there we would only end up with one
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version of this story this would later come from Dolores for some reason Candace becomes upset with the officer
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there could be a multitude of reasons for her becoming upset with him maybe she didn't like like the questions maybe
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it was possible things that were said about her brother that she didn't like yeah and while she's also pretty young
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and even though she's doing these more adult activities by going to college and stuff doesn't mean that she is mature
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for her age or or what I you know what I think is probably most likely Captain if
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this story is in fact true it's probably the way the officer was treating Candace's mother Dolores that's my guess
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yeah you know the officer when told why Dolores could not produce her son James for questioning you know I can't tell
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you where James is except he's living in a tent somewhere in the woods but you know probably sounds strange and weird
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to the officer almost like he's she's hiding right before she's lying uh so anyway Candace gets loud with the
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officer there is there's now a lot a loud argument going on between Candace and officer Dodd one sometimes you
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become pretty protective of individuals that are very protective of you so that could be apparently at some point Dodd
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threatens to arrest Candice and she for what well you know how these things probably go down when an officer is not
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getting the answers that they want I can just kind of picture this thing working
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out in my head right he shows up he's looking for James he questions the mother I can't tell you
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where he is except for he's living in the woods sounds like a made-up Story the officer gets upset with the mother
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probably threatens her with some kind of obstruction of justice situation then we
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have Candace stepping in to defend the mother and I'm guessing he probably threw that obstruction of justice idea
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out to Candace well apparently Candace kind of threatened him back because she's basically telling him go ahead and
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arrest me this is a tactic that they get with their handbooks right I I hope not
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no they do it's a the handbook is called cops with small dicks handbook and when
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they feel threatened by you know a 16 17 year old female uh they have to pull out
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these you're obstructing justice I'm going to arrest you yeah I mean I mean I usually have the police backs but this
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situation sounds to me like a bully tactic yeah like I've run out of I've run out my brain is small so so I've run
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out of ideas now I'm just going to throw this well I'm going to arrest you idea yeah no no I look I love cops I love
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anybody that is willing to sign up to protect and serve but again that those those two words are not happening here
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who's he protecting he's not protecting Candace or the mother and he's not serving the the public by threatening
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people that he's questioning well here's an idea if you really want to find James
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okay yes he's he's a thought to have broken into some homes and stolen some pretty small items that are not
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extremely valuable if you really want to catch James isn't your best bet befriending the mother and family
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members of this guy who's potentially living in the woods rather than going in there and disrupting the whole situation
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and upsetting everybody well and I also think you know you you have to show respect to get respect and so I think a
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lot of these times you know that you know they I think a lot of times people of authority will come in not just cops
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but they'll come in with the attitude that you I deserve respect it's like well look show them some respect show
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them that you actually care look this isn't so much about your son breaking into somebody's home because that's bad
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but these little items that they sold we can replace those but what's going to happen when you're when your son that
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has some mental illness breaks into a home with a with a gun owner and then the gun owner protects their their
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property and protects himself and rightfully so and then your son ends up dead because of this and if I think if
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you approach it in that manner then you're going to get some answers right right and and maybe we need to just keep
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it as we'd like to talk to your son we don't know if he's guilty of anything at all but again that goes back to Serve
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and Protect because then you're trying to explain to them hey we're trying to serve the community but we're also
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trying to protect your son in the process here's the thing when Dodd gets threatened back by Candace she basically
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tells him to go ahead and arrest her because says according to Dolores Candace says that she tells Dodd that
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she had seen him on several occasions accepting envelopes from known drug dealers and she would gladly tell others
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at the Sheriff's Office what she had witnessed once he brings her in on this arrest hmm very very
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interesting play yeah Candace should should be should have been a poker player um officer Dodd she was interested in
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law so there's there's possibility too that you know she saw in law enforcement and she's like bring it I've been
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studying this my whole life officer Dodd eventually leaves the hilt's home that evening he never ends up speaking to
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James uh and he arrests no one that night now with within a few days of this incident with officer Dodd the hilt's
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family dog goes missing of course as we said this is a rural area and that means you know there's
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about a 50 50 shot that this dog was an outside dog you know lived outside right
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I have several friends that live out in the country with outdoor dogs and well sometimes outside dogs take off on a
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little adventure for a day or so and I know my friends don't really become alarmed until the dog is gone for like
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three or more days okay uh so this it's hard to say if this set off any alarms or any red flags with the family okay we
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had to take a little bit of a break there Captain apparently they're chopping down forest around the garage
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so if you hear some noise in the background that is not me feeding the captain into a wood chipper uh that's
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just that's just some people taking care say something so that people know that you're still here I'm here all right
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he's here I'm one limb short but no they're chopping down a tree or something and they're going to toss it
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into the grinder but we don't have time to waste that's right so now of course Captain there are cases that we have a
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he said she said situation this case well this case is a he said she said they said she said and oh yeah nobody's
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talking about this so with all of that it makes it extremely tough to piece together this story but we're going to
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sift through this thing together my friends throw it all into the mix stir up the pot and see what we're left with
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so with that in mind we continue and I want to throw out here that some reports state that the family was alarmed that
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and concerned about the missing family dog while other reports simply state that the family believed it's the
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country we've lived in the country for a long time this was not a concern okay so
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let's recap real quick on August 10th while the sheriff's department was looking for James hiltz officer Dodd
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gets into an argument with Candace at her mother's home in front of her mother then a couple days later the hilts
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noticed that their dog is missing there's one new newspaper report stating that Candace went to the Sheriff's
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Department It is believed this would be to file some sort of complaint the report does not state where this
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information came from if a report was actually filed or by whom they got this information so we cannot verify that and
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then there is August 15th this is just five days after the argument with officer Dodd Dolores is out running an
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errand and at home are her daughter Candace and granddaughter baby Paige Dolores says that she left the home
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around noon she returned to the home a little after 3 30 PM that same day when she arrived she does not see
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Candace instead she sees an obvious sign of a struggle she hears her granddaughter crying and she makes her
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way through the house Dolores notices blood she gets to her daughter's her granddaughter's room and Paige is in her
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crib crying there is a bed in this room and the bed appears to have been propped
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up there is something underneath of it Dolores investigates it's a large comforter stuffed under the bed and she
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pulls and tugs on the comforter pulling from out under the bed as she pulls on it it starts to unravel inside the
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comforter she discovers the lifeless body of her 17 year old daughter Dolores knows that it is Candace but due
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to the injuries she she sustained in her death Candice is unrecognizable her face
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and head are a bloody mess at some point the authorities are called the Fremont County Sheriff's authorities
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responded more than one hour later it took him a whole hour well what's confusing here is what time was the call
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placed okay um because Dolores says that when she found her daughter that she you know she
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was stricken by grief you know shocked at the discovery and she she basically fell to the floor and laid there holding
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uh Candace's hand for some time I'm unclear as to who called 9-1-1 um and and at what time that play that
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call was placed but the reports that we can see state that sometime about an hour to a little more than an hour after
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Dolores returned home is when the sheriff's department arrived on the scene we have uh we have deputies
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Briscoe and Dodd the Fremont County coroner this is Dr Dorothy twillman uh followed shortly behind this was an
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obvious homicide from from the get-go the first report to come out in the newspapers had little real information
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and was wrong uh it simply stated a girl's body was found dumped in a remote area of the county even though there's a
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lot of reasons to speculate and question a lot of things in this case I don't find this as anything of importance more
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than more than likely what happened is the sheriff's department offered little in the way of information and the paper
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just ran with the story right they just went with speculation instead of fact yeah the reporter was probably just told
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that they had found an unidentified girl who had been murdered the next reports were accurate with no you know with with
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again no real detail simply stating Candace hilt's 17 died of multiple gunshot wounds on August 15 2006 in the
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family home in Copper Gulch Area 25 miles Southwest of Canon City well you're telling me earlier too that a lot
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of reports reported Candace at 16. yeah like they couldn't even get the age right yeah there's several reports that
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say she's 16 and some saying she's 17. years later Candace hilt's mother Dolores hiltz discussed with the Daily
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Record about her daughter's murder describing how she was the one who had found her daughter and that it was
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something she will never forget stating that she had found her wrapped in a blanket underneath of the bed it was
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after Candace hiltz was found that authorities began searching the area and they found the family dog
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um unfortunately the Thor the authorities found the dog tied up to a tree in a place that quote you wouldn't
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have seen him uh the dog was tied to a tree and killed with possibly an ax or some kind of hatchet
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now detectives are working on a new Theory after having found the family dog tied up to this tree in the woods behind
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the house that someone had either targeted the hilt's house for a possible burglary or targeted Candace for murder
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the killer or Killers who had done this took the dog and killed it a day or a couple days before forcing their way
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into the home and killing Candace they meditated okay yeah they they also yeah premeditated break-in or premeditated
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murder they had also found that someone had forced their way into the home using
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a crowbar or pry bar on a door forcing it open to gain entry into the residence at some point detective uh Bruce Briscoe
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told Dolores that authorities believed her son James hiltz was a person of interest in the case and they mounted a
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search to find him I have a newspaper report saying that he was 28 and again some saying he's 29 not
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a big deal but it seems to be a common um you know Common occurrence in this case yeah errors uh but anyway he's in
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his late 20s and at this time and he's over 10 years older than Candace at the time of her murder the family is ordered
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out of the home this whole place is a crime scene Dolores is brought to the Sheriff's Department for questioning
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during a four-hour interview Dolores hiltz said she was repeatedly asked who her son was hanging out with she
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answered of course no one he won't even talk to his brothers it was then discovered by the authorities that James
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was suffering from a psychotic episode or psychotic episodes and he had been released early from a mental health
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facility and was living off the land apparently he was getting like you know you know how mothers are
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um even even when well you have a mother and yeah you you were a guy that claims
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to know a lot of mothers so we're going to bring that up again yeah so you are an expert I don't need to tell you this
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but you know how mothers of the the best and here's why mother most of the time no matter what you do yeah maybe there
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might be some distance between the two of you but they'll still try to help you out any way that they can and here's a
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good example of that I don't I don't think you've met my mother apparent apparently uh James was getting
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food and water from a camper outside of the hilt's home that his mother was stalking she was keeping it stocked with
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food and water for him okay so he would go and retrieve these items take it back
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to wherever he was camping in the woods and she wouldn't have to worry about him
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starving to death out there right and then should also know if he took the food yeah that's that's smart I didn't
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even think about that uh she told detectives that James uh didn't come to the house wouldn't come to the house
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wouldn't talk to anybody in the family also telling them that uh he's delusional and he thinks that Dolores is
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not his mother and some other woman has replaced her so with any mental break one could assume that almost anything is
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possible but uh what doesn't add up here is okay one how is he getting this crowbar to break into the house and
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wouldn't he know a better way to get into the house and then also where is he coming up with these three guns do we
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have any evidence that he has through guns there's a lot of questions here uh and we can get back into this right
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after this quick beer break foreign [Music] we're back and I think they stopped cutting that tree down all right so we
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are hunting for James hilts the Fremont County Sheriff's Office announced that they were searching for James hiltz
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stating deputies and additional law enforcement search teams were searching for James calling him a person of
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interest in the death of Candace hilts deputies and other law enforcement Searchers were looking for James hiltz
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in the area of deer mountain and copper Gulch they described him as 5 foot 10 inches tall 155 pounds with blonde hair
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and blue eyes he was believed to be in possession of at least two Firearms he was of course considered to be armed and
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dangerous they had not filed any murder charges against James at this time however and a couple of officers off the
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Record stated that they did believe that James had murdered his sister well they found him on Friday just a
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couple days later and we'll back up a little bit because I mean you know again what was their proof that
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he had guns well if if they're calling him a person of interest in this Murder She was
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obviously killed uh by way of gun um so they're assuming he has guns correct but I think you know what I'm
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getting at is that law enforcement obviously has the responsibility of protecting the public but also by saying
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that this individual that has guns that we have no evidence he has guns and he's
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mentally ill you might be setting him up for a situation where somebody runs into
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him and they don't catch him alive is what I'm saying and then if and if they don't catch him alive well then we can
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just pin this on him and move about our day well yeah and you're right they do have they certainly most certainly have
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that obligation we have this situation here where they're looking for the the older brother of a murder victim
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somebody that they were already looking for on unrelated charges days before her
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murder and now you have a situation where if you think he is a suspect and they they never call call him to my
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knowledge they never call him a suspect just a person of interest if you have a Person of Interest Who you
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believe may have committed this crime but at the same time you also believe that they have committed you know
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unrelated break-ins wow you have to find this guy very quickly because if this is something
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he's escalated to we have a whole bunch of people that are in a considerable amount of danger now well and I don't
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mean to throw a law enforcement under the bus here because they might have more knowledge of his priors because I
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don't have any knowledge of his priors other than these you know accusations of him breaking and entering people's
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houses but no accusations or no charges on violence you're exactly right he had several run-ins with the law all of them
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were non-violent offenses all of them were pretty Petty crimes um but I'm just saying that law
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enforcement in the small town also might know of you know oh he got in a fist fight here or there they might know
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about some things that we aren't aware of his family when they were looking for him were they were saying you know from
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the get-go we don't we don't believe he did this for several reasons but one of those being he had no previous History
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of Violence uh even toward the family you know sometimes things happen within a family and it's not always reported to
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the authorities but they're saying he was not a violent man but the problem is at the same time when you're telling me
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that your son is not a violent man and you're also telling me that he might not even know who he is anymore
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um if if what you're telling me is the truth and and Dolores and family you believe that to be the truth he doesn't
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believe you are his mother this guy is not what I would what I would call delusional this is what I would call
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he's had some kind of break with reality uh he might be in his own isn't that what a delusion is yes yeah it probably
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is but but I I mean I don't think delusional is a big enough word for what I think this kid is experiencing
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um I think he's had a break with reality I don't think he fully knows what's going on or who the people around him
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may be this could present a problem because if you have a person who has become afraid for reasons we might not
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be able to comprehend he could become a dangerous person and now if he's capable
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of breaking into other homes like I said we have a huge problem on our hand thankfully thankfully he is located and
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they found him on that Friday in the rugged copper Gulch Iron Mountain Area this is southwest of Canon City just
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three days after the sheriff's deputies found Candace hiltz dead at her mother's
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home now after his arrest I want everybody to Let's listen carefully to the charges
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okay if you weren't listening before start listening now that's right everybody listen carefully okay James
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hiltz has been charged with first and second degree burglary and criminal trespassing no all of these are
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considered felonies he is also being charged with theft and criminal mischief authorities say that he broke into a
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home and stole hatchets and flashlights Sheriff Jeff Beaker said searches have been conducted at the hilt's home and
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people are being interviewed in connection of the homicide James hiltz was scheduled to appear in the Fremont
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County court on August 31st he remained at the Fremont County Jail on five hundred thousand dollars Bond until that
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time well okay let me just wrap my head around all this mess right so he's charged with all these felonies right
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and what did he still flashlights and hatchets yes that's what's reported and we could assume that
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he's stealing these items for survival correct flashlights hatchets and uh we know that he's mentally ill and we place
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a bond on him for 500 000 half a mil on a mentally ill person and I understand that maybe he's a person of
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interest and a murder but this is no justice at all this is a mentally ill individual
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and you're charging them with these crimes where he was not attacking anybody he was not violent towards
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anybody and he was stealing stuff surviving you know trying to survive why he's going through this delusional state
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or possible mental break like you called it where's the Justice there well Captain I'm afraid I might have to
00:32:41
disagree with you if you're saying what I think you're saying um I I sympathize with what you're
00:32:47
saying and I sympathize with his condition as a as a citizen you know if I were living in the area or if he were
00:32:55
in my area and this went down here's the way I got to look at it he's arrested he's picked up on a Friday uh they he
00:33:02
probably didn't get any type of court hearing until the following Monday uh so that Bond I'm guessing of 500 000 is set
00:33:10
just six days after the murder of his sister now I understand that these are lower level crimes that he's being held
00:33:18
on however I do want to remind you some of those are considered to be felonies and one thing that would be presented to
00:33:25
the judge at the time is he is involved in a homicide investigation uh we are talking to him about this we're talking
00:33:33
to his family about this seeking information um and furthermore um he could be a Flight Risk and what I
00:33:43
mean by that is well no I'm not look I'm not arguing with the idea you know look
00:33:49
the you set a bail I get it but what I'm saying is the initial charges are kind of ridiculous anyways I understand that
00:33:57
he committed that crime I'm I understand that he might possibly admit to that crime but I think there needs to be a
00:34:03
better system in place to you know you're going to take a mentally uh unstable individual and then put them in
00:34:11
the system for breaking and entering so they could survive in a delusional State
00:34:17
I mean that's what I have more of an issue with and the reason why I say he's a Flight Risk is he's living in the
00:34:24
woods he's he's some kind of survivalist right he's been on FL they caught him in
00:34:28
Flight right um you know and when they did catch him I do want to say that uh they caught him
00:34:34
he surrendered without incident you know he didn't attack any of the people that
00:34:38
were arresting him he didn't have any guns on him at the time of course he didn't he he had some kind of knife the
00:34:45
newspapers reference a knife I don't know that that means that he was a violent person I think no that means
00:34:52
you're living in the woods if I were living in the woods I would do full like Davy Crockett mode and I would have I
00:34:58
would have knives and the coonskin cap and everything else going on okay um actually actually you know what
00:35:05
Captain I think I'm gonna do are you just like dressing up I'm getting a lot of a lot of phone calls to my to my cell
00:35:11
phone lately that that I don't want I'm thinking about using this story here to update my voicemail greeting saying I'm
00:35:18
sorry I missed your call I'm now living in the woods Davy Crockett that's right so here's the
00:35:25
thing I I think I think it's reasonable the 500 000 Bond just because this is where my head's no no that's fine but
00:35:33
what I'm saying is you know once the bond is done and stuff you're possibly putting somebody into a system that
00:35:41
they're not going to be able to get out of not going to be able to get adequate care for with their mental illness I I
00:35:48
think they're look I think we we have the justice system and I think we have to have an another system in place when
00:35:55
it when we're dealing with the mentally ill and I agree with that but I I agree with the 500 000 Bond because my opinion
00:36:02
is let's set this thing a little high so we can hold him for a certain amount of
00:36:07
time until we get this straightened out maybe he's not our guy but I'm with you maybe maybe sitting in a jail cell or
00:36:14
sitting in a jail amongst other people waiting for trial is not the best location for this young man to be housed
00:36:22
while we're waiting to get to the bottom of this so anyway James was charged with
00:36:26
unrelated burglary charges he was never charged with the homicide we have to do some fast forwarding here but eventually
00:36:34
James was found not guilty on the burglary charges but this was by reason of insanity he was eventually committed
00:36:43
to the Colorado Mental Health Institute in 2008. okay so I go on this whole rant
00:36:50
and they basically did the right thing yeah I think he ended up in the right place but I'm with you maybe jail
00:36:56
especially with his Affliction well they probably put him in a Cell by himself I
00:37:01
hope so yeah but that the problem there is you know he wasn't under any treatment so at least they said look
00:37:07
we're gonna drop these charges we know he's mentally ill let's put him in the hospital and let's get him the treatment
00:37:12
that he needs or try to get him the treatment that he needs and I did mention that they had no he had no
00:37:18
firearms in his possession when he was arrested of course it was suspected that he could have had one or two with him
00:37:24
presumably guns that he would have used to in his sister's murder I'd like to know if they did the test to see if he
00:37:32
fired a gun that's a good question because we could assume that he's not taking showers well we have you know we
00:37:39
have some listeners that are involved in forensics and things like that I would love to hear and see on the blog if
00:37:45
anybody could clear this up because he was he wasn't captured until three days after her after her murder is this
00:37:52
enough time I don't know I don't know the uh the ins and outs of this whole situation but I imagine it washes off at
00:37:59
some point yeah I heard it's anywhere between like 24 and 48 Hours okay again I would wonder but you know how how much
00:38:07
does it stay on the body depending on how much you wash you know if you fire a gun can you can you wash yourself uh
00:38:16
two or three times and get rid of this residue um we'll get back to James situation as far
00:38:23
as whether he makes a good suspect or not because I think there's a lot to talk about there after the arrest of of
00:38:31
James the remaining members of the hilt's family was now allowed back in their home but when Dolores hiltz
00:38:38
returned home she was shocked when she did Dolores has maintained for years that the investigators botched this
00:38:46
investigation Dolores hiltz has discussed with media how the investigators did not take all the
00:38:52
evidence with them that bullet casings were left behind as well as the blanket her daughter was wrapped in she said
00:39:00
that they left evidence in there for three days adding that the Sheriff's Office investigators didn't even tape
00:39:06
off the house so so Captain they didn't they could have anybody could have gotten there they didn't secure the home
00:39:14
um they left evidence uncollected and they left a door wide open yeah but that right but now is there evidence of this
00:39:22
or is this this she said he said stuff um I mean there is evidence of this because she's collecting the evidence
00:39:29
and then and then sending it back to them so that would be the evidence of it okay yeah so here here's my thought on
00:39:35
the door being left wide open okay I don't think this was like uh oh some you know born in a barn situation forgot to
00:39:43
close the door I think this was probably the door that whomever accessed to enter
00:39:47
the home to break into the home it was probably busted up enough that it couldn't be just closed and locked
00:39:54
simply closed and locked but they could have boarded it up in some fashion so that people couldn't enter the home
00:40:01
while there's nobody there while they've told the family to vacate right but in law enforcement's defense I mean it
00:40:07
could have been one of those things where oh I pulled it shut and it seemed like it was going to stay shut
00:40:13
um but then wind opened up the door so it could be that case I mean my front door is the same way like if you go
00:40:20
outside and you shut the door behind you if you don't lock it it has a possibility of blowing open just from
00:40:27
the wind Dolores hiltz went to the Fremont County Sheriff's Office and asked to speak with
00:40:33
the chief or the deputies that were on the scene this is Dodd and Briscoe she was told that all of them all three of
00:40:43
them were too busy and she insisted on staying there until someone talked to her she said finally a young officer
00:40:51
came out and she told him about her concerns now her concerns are she's gone home the place was unsecured and there's
00:40:59
evidence still there that's what she's trying to report to them in person and she's she's getting nowhere with
00:41:07
this she tells the young officer her concerns and nothing happens so when no one called or no one came out to the
00:41:15
house well Dolores hiltz and her son this is her son Jonathan they went to a store to buy plastic bags and bagged up
00:41:23
bullet casings themselves to eventually take them to the officers she said in those three days the investigators that
00:41:32
were there searching the home they only took about 15 things in two envelopes and a they took a piece of paneling and
00:41:41
a piece of carpet and she said that's it now Jonathan hiltz this is her other son
00:41:47
had taken forensic crime classes so the two of them they put on protective booties and and gloves and they
00:41:54
methodically photographed and bagged all of the evidence that was left and placed
00:41:59
it in a plastic container with an Evidence log they they you know so they whatever they didn't take yeah you know
00:42:07
here's what they didn't take there was a white computer speaker with blood on it that had been used to prop
00:42:13
up the bed this was the bed she was found underneath the uh the blanket that Candace was found in where her body was
00:42:21
found uh was still at the home there was a shotgun casing in the baby's cradle uh
00:42:28
all the evidence they found as I said was tagged and bagged and it was put in a container later
00:42:33
Briscoe showed up with a search warrant and asked where the container of evidence was and Dolores gave it to him
00:42:42
okay now the Dolores has a very good quote uh when asked about this by the media she
00:42:48
said I'm I'm thinking seasoned cops don't leave evidence and these are not rookie officers
00:42:55
um that statement's very true right so but what is she implying by that what she's implying is that it it looks like
00:43:05
her and her son were able to find more evidence than what the the police left with
00:43:11
yeah no no I think that but I think there's maybe they left this on purpose right
00:43:18
right I'm sorry that's that's exactly what I believe she's trying to tell all of us is that she would have expected
00:43:25
some you know some do good boy scout cop to maybe show up and not know what he's
00:43:30
doing and Overlook some of these things the do good boy scout always be prepared
00:43:36
he would have collected the evidence that's right sorry about it yeah I apologize gonna throw the whole uh
00:43:42
weibelow Scouts under the bus I'm a rude person yeah you can feed me into the wood chipper you yeah I already lost the
00:43:49
limb it's now your turn my friend uh but I think you I think you're right on your
00:43:53
spot on there Captain she's she's pointing out these guys have been around the block too long they've been on the
00:43:58
job too long uh it almost seems like they weren't willing to take this stuff with them for whatever reason
00:44:05
who knows right so that kind of goes with the whole conspiracy theory about this case though is that you're if
00:44:12
you're looking for this individual that's breaking and entering into houses and stealing these little you know
00:44:17
flashlights and whatnot then um this young girl kind of runs her mouth to this cop and then the cop
00:44:24
decides hey you know what I'm going to teach this young girl lesson and that lesson is then we're going to murder you
00:44:30
for whatever reason and I think maybe the it wasn't just her running her mouth but did did what Candace said to that
00:44:37
officer did it strike a nerve now point this out so if she said okay well well I
00:44:44
know that you're taking money from drug dealers or I've seen this or I can prove
00:44:49
this and I have other eyewitnesses and then let's say there's more than one cop involved in this then that cop has to
00:44:55
tell his buddy cop and he tells another buddy cop and then they show up and they
00:44:58
go okay we're gonna get rid of her and guess what we got an easy person to pin this on her crazy brother and so when we
00:45:05
get to the scene oh well there's this evidence we don't really want to have that all collected because this this
00:45:12
evidence is going to start pointing you know you you can't hide certain facts just like
00:45:19
you know there was three guns used in this murder so how did that happen if it was just
00:45:26
one individual right you know it becomes a you know it doesn't make a lot of sense so you gotta connect the dots and
00:45:34
so by not collecting that evidence it goes more towards that conspiracy theory that maybe the cops were involved well
00:45:41
and one thing that is very telling so you bring up an interesting topic here because one of the big reasons why
00:45:48
Dolores will point out amongst other several other details why her son James should not be a suspect right is that he
00:45:58
he had no friends he had no people that he interacted with he didn't run around with anybody and like you said that this
00:46:06
this case well like I said earlier this case is very strange because you have two almost completely different stories
00:46:14
you have the the story of the sheriff's department and you have the story of the
00:46:17
hilts family the one place where they do match up is it seems to be that the sheriff's
00:46:24
department and the hilts family both can agree that two or more people committed
00:46:30
this crime committed this murder and the in verification of that is the sheriff's
00:46:37
department asking Dolores who does your son hang out with she's not you know it's not just where
00:46:43
is your son it's who does your son hang out with because they know early in the get-go this thing was committed by at
00:46:49
least two people well Dolores on the other end will say that's why he's not a good suspect because he had no friends
00:46:57
he didn't hang out with anybody he was afraid he had a phobia of being around other people of having relationships
00:47:02
with people it it's that that is an interesting point where they actually match up in
00:47:09
their beliefs right well part of the police right you know what I mean so I I think
00:47:15
that's where it gets odd there and and yeah it is it two or three people I don't know it certainly doesn't look
00:47:23
like one um and here's one of the other things that Dolores would point out when
00:47:28
they're they're worried about her son James um remember the the house was broken
00:47:34
into the hilt's home was broken into somebody used a breaker bar a pry bar crowbar whatever you want to call it to
00:47:40
break into this door and then gets into the home James hilts when he did come in the
00:47:47
house which apparently he did go back into the house on occasion but this would only be when nobody was at the
00:47:55
home right um supplies there was a butter knife that was hidden underneath a the front
00:48:02
step uh to the home and he would use this butter knife to pop open the front door yeah so he had no reason to you
00:48:11
know basically bust his way into that door yeah that doesn't exclude him though just because again if he is in some
00:48:19
manic state or some delusional state you know he might not even understand what he's breaking into so it wouldn't
00:48:26
be like oh well I have no clue what's happening oh I remember there's a butter knife here he could be so far gone that
00:48:33
you know he thinks he's breaking into a you know a castle or something and that's exactly right those are the
00:48:40
questions that come into my mind and these are reasons why I cannot exclude James as a good suspect I I think he's I
00:48:48
think he's right up there I think he's right up there there's there's questionable things going on in this
00:48:53
family there's questionable things going on in this household and I don't know that any of us have a clue what's going
00:48:59
on with James um here's here's the questions I I want to talk about okay we already talked
00:49:05
about that he he may not have had to have breaking into the home now he he he's already went into other people's
00:49:12
homes and he's stolen some items now we said that the dog appeared to have been killed with an ax or a hatchet well one
00:49:20
of the items or believed that he had stolen from these other homes was in fact a hatchet it's actually in one
00:49:27
report states that he had stolen more than one Hatchet so he has the means uh to do this uh regarding the dog yeah
00:49:37
um and it's a it's a very strange thing to do for for anyone to do and act like that but horrible act horrible if he did
00:49:45
in fact have a hatchet was he stealing it for more than one reason um or you know it to me it looks like he had
00:49:53
the means to kill the dog the problem well the other problem too with the break-ins
00:49:58
is you report that hatchet right but what if you have a legal weapon normally when somebody breaks into your
00:50:07
house and then let's say you had a shotgun that wasn't registered to you and somebody steals it you normally
00:50:15
don't repeat you don't report that to the cops right so so that's the other issue too then then you go okay well he
00:50:22
has these hatchets well that kind of puts him in the more likely that maybe he killed this dog scenario
00:50:29
and then well how did he get the guns well if he's breaking into houses and stealing guns and I I wonder if any of
00:50:37
those individuals would come forward and say well I actually did have a shotgun where I did have a 22. and that yeah and
00:50:44
that's why I questioned the statement that he did not have access to Firearms when you're busting into people's homes
00:50:50
and taking things you have access to a lot of things that you normally don't have access to uh the big question for
00:50:56
me on those on those other burglary charges I would love to know how he gained access into those homes right
00:51:05
because here's the thing it we can say all day long that he would not have broken into his own home that he would
00:51:12
not have busted open this door and went in there we can't say that if that is exactly how he was gaining access into
00:51:18
these other homes my suspicion is that my suspicion Captain is that he was not breaking into
00:51:25
these homes and the reason why I say that is when I look at the charges he's charged with first and second degree
00:51:31
burglary but charged with criminal trespassing meaning that he was in an area that he shouldn't be for reasons
00:51:39
that that were no good right and but you would expect to see a breaking and entering charge with with James which we
00:51:47
do not see so I'm wondering with this being a rural area is this just a simple situation of people leaving their doors
00:51:55
unlocked he knows nobody's home and he lives in the woods he can creep up on your house whenever he feels like it
00:52:02
check the doors and walk around your home and collect items that he believes he needs for whatever Survival game he's
00:52:09
playing in the woods yeah that's a very good point and also too I mean look if anybody knows the credit card trick
00:52:17
depending on where that your door latches like you can take a credit card or or a butter knife or anything and
00:52:25
just pop that door open and maybe that's what he's doing and then you wouldn't know if the door was locked or unlocked
00:52:31
anyways right so he obviously knows this little trick um and also you know once this trick
00:52:37
became more popular they started making sure that all the locks kind of go one way
00:52:43
um so but it's interesting it's it's definitely interesting and so if they're not reporting that he broke in then
00:52:49
again what else did he take that they're not reporting the other thing too is when when he's picked up when they find
00:52:56
him there's no report of them saying Oh we found a bloody hatchet with the guy right you know
00:53:02
um there was not what I would call any damning evidence against him other than he's misunderstood we we don't really
00:53:10
know what kind of Lifestyle he's living or what state of mind he is in at the time of that his sister is killed yeah
00:53:17
and I would say that with his mental state he has to be a suspect the one that I can't get over is then how did
00:53:24
this individual have three guns and then when they decided to you know Murder their sister they decided to use three
00:53:33
different guns on this on this individual and there is some speculation that some of the gunshot wounds happen
00:53:39
at the same time yes there is speculation of that um it is it would be possible for one
00:53:45
person to use two or three guns on the same victim the reason why Captain I can't rule him out is I gotta paint a
00:53:55
picture for you okay we have we have a man um that is in need of some help in need
00:54:02
of some support he's living in the woods we do not know what's going through his
00:54:07
mind if if I try to put myself in his situation we know that he doesn't believe that his mother is his mother
00:54:15
can you imagine where you're waking up every day in the woods you're sleeping in the dark Forest every night and
00:54:22
you're waking up every day going you know what there's this house that's not too far from here and it's full of these
00:54:28
people that I've never met that I don't know who they are and they keep telling me that they're my family that this is
00:54:34
my mother my sister my brothers um it it's it's a it's a I could see somebody panicking and doing something
00:54:43
very strange in that situation it's almost it's almost like being you know he's had a breakup with reality and he's
00:54:51
thrown into a world that he cannot understand right therefore I don't know that we can
00:54:56
understand or put limits on what we think he is capable of or what he's not capable of right so you're you're
00:55:02
basically stating that your opinion is that the family's like he's not a violent individual so therefore he
00:55:10
couldn't have done this you know closed case on him let's throw a little other Theory out
00:55:17
there not saying I believe in this but just go with me on this right okay so this person that is not capable this
00:55:24
person that is not violent has a mental break with reality and you normally would see certain types of breaks of
00:55:31
reality with the same individual right like if somebody that you're caring for somebody that is in your family that has
00:55:38
mental illness right they have a normal Set uh the the way they break with that reality is normally
00:55:45
the same but what if this time was different right and then the family comes we got an hour window
00:55:54
from the time that they supposedly see the body and call the cops what takes place in that hour and then on top
00:56:03
of that remember how all this evidence that the police didn't collect that they then
00:56:09
collected and then then gave to was this created even after they left hmm you see what I'm saying right like it
00:56:19
starts creating some answers for some of these things that these questions arise
00:56:23
and so your thought would be okay what if you knew that he murdered her and then now you're you have two options
00:56:32
your daughter's already dead and and what is going to happen to him what is going to happen to your mentally
00:56:40
ill son and what's an easy way to cover this up if she is shot by multiple guns then
00:56:47
they're going to assume that she was killed by multiple people and guess what he doesn't have multiple people in his
00:56:54
life for multiple friends so look it's not a theory I believe in I'm just saying it does answer some of the weird
00:57:00
questions that we do have yeah I thought I was steering the ship in a unpopular Direction by saying I would still
00:57:08
consider him a suspect and man you drove it right into the right into the iceberg
00:57:13
there so this is not this is not what I this is not what I believe but not only could he be still a suspect but the
00:57:19
possibility of the family covering his tracks for him very interesting stuff and there's a lot more there's a lot
00:57:26
more strange twists and turns and icebergs along the way in this case yeah and let's just be clear that is not what
00:57:33
I think I'm just putting out the possibilities and I think when you're trying to get to the answers right when
00:57:39
you're trying to funnel everything down to get to the answers you have to look at every possible thing and where where
00:57:44
does the evidence point you know you so I I think that's that's all I'm doing and I think people should exercise that
00:57:54
right and exercise themselves in doing that more often with these cases you don't have to funnel into the truth no
00:58:01
you're you're exactly right because this is a case that requires everyone to put
00:58:05
on their thinking cap and you need a really big tall thinking cap for this this case because there's so many
00:58:11
possibilities and so many just weird stuff um yeah that's gonna get pretty I can't
00:58:18
really explain it any more than weird stuff all right so for more weird stuff we'll be back in the garage tomorrow and
00:58:26
hopefully there's no wood chipper foreign [Music] thank you guys so much for listening and
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we'll see you tomorrow back in the garage until then be good be kind and don't litter
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