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get me will Trent ABC tonight I don't even know where he is Will Trent is back you don't you get hi forever time to
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come home the series that's being called one of the best network proced rols we're going to solve this case featuring
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new cast member Gina Rodriguez I'm a prosecutor we deal in truth and facts maybe everybody should try that huh will
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trat the two-part season premiere begins tonight on ABC and stream on Hulu n [Music]
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welcome to True Crime garage wherever you are whatever you are doing thanks for listening I'm your host Nick and of
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course with me as always here is the captain and we are excited to be kicking off
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2025 here with all of you beautiful wonderful listeners of of the garage show yeah it's good to be seen and good
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to see you in 2025 we've never looked so great never felt better never felt better well this week we thought we
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would take a look at last year and go through some of our favorite episodes of 2024 we know that most of our listeners
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are hardcore listeners but you don't get to tune in every week life gets in the way right you get busy with wonderful
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family things and events of your own so here we are to tell you some of our favorite episodes from yester year maybe
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to point you in the direction of those episodes should your earballs need a little more True Crime garage how is the
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year starting off for you so far Captain it's starting off with a bang my friend
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there's nothing better when you're talking to a friend and they go hey what's the best episode you've done
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lately and you you say whatever case and then they go back and listen and you get
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a text message saying these are some of the best episodes you've ever done so that's why we're here that's why we're
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doing this list happy 2025 and of course we are recording this one a couple days
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before it's going to hit your ear out there but our thoughts and prayers are with the people of New Orleans and
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really wishing godp speed and the best of luck to the investigators down there the ongoing New Orleans terrorist attack
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investigation hopefully by the time this hits your your ear they've sorted it all
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out and figured everyone is involved and responsible for that terrible attack that occurred down in New Orleans and
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shout out to some of our friends who are friends of the show with the New Orleans
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office of Homeland Security down there godp be to you guys so we'll do a little bit of a countdown here today right
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Captain yeah top five top five captains got five I got five when we did our true
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crime documentaries and books and podcasts that we were reviewing True Crime that we had consumed in 2024
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countdown I went first would you like for me to go first again this time yeah well they say age before Beauty well and
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look if if you tune into a podcast and you enjoy people toting their own horn as they say well you've come to the
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right place because we really are going to do nothing but give ourselves very High Praise for work that we did last
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year and you're going to get to hear me honking quite a bit today on how great we did because I was reviewing our 2024
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catalog and it was it was a delight to review it because I'm not going to lie there you say so myself there were so
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many good cases so many good true crime stories I I'm not going to pretend that we did all of them Justice we you know
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we try our best every each and every week there are some stories that are more difficult to tell than others and
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each True Crime Story is unique you know that's that's one thing the question that I get often is well how do you
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conduct your research and how do you work on preparing the show and organizing the show that you're about to
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record and there's no great answer for that it's not like there's a template that the captain and I follow and we
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just check off items as we go doing research and putting together the show no every case in every story is unique
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it's different you got to look at each one uh through a different lens at times so it is it can be it can be difficult
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to tell some of these stories and they don't always turn out the way you wanted and then other times
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surprise you go into it thinking well I've done the research I've put the show together I'm a little nervous on how
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this one's going to turn out and then it turns out to be fantastic so here we are
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to celebrate the garage and celebrate 2024 with all of you I'll kick things off Captain so your list is titled I'm a
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great guy top five jobs well done by the colonel fantastic shows by True Crime garage my list is titled the top five
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episodes of 2024 that we didn't suck so bad at telling yeah that's not really the ti
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the title of mine man sucky I looked at it as a whole because there were some cases that are more interesting than
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some of the cases that I'm going to say here today but again I'm going back to the idea that some of the stories are a
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little more difficult to tell some of them don't lend themselves to Great storytelling and so these are the ones
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that for any number of reasons stick out in my mind of shows that I'm quite proud
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of that we did in 2024 so that includes your performance as well my friends so my my number five well I'm not judging
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you but I guess you're judging me well it is a show right and there is two there are two of us on the show so uh if
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I were look at to look at it at the cases that I did really well on last year then it'd be a different list so my
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number five is cabins by the lake Parts one and two these are episodes 765 and 766 from June 11 and
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12 this one was and I'm going to read the show notes because I don't know how many of our beautiful listeners actually
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read these show notes but it's it's often a a quick description of our case story for each week this is the
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17-year-old Belinda van lith who has been missing for 50 years now and that's still current she's still missing at the
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time of her disappearance she was described as 5' 5 in tall about 110 lbs with blonde hair and blue eyes Belinda
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was housesitting for a neighbor at the time she failed to attend her sister's going away party on June 15th
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1974 her family contacted the Sheriff's Office and reported her missing the following day accounts from that time
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have narrowed her disappearance to prior to the party so she went missing according to the timeline they've been
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able to put together law enforcement she vanishes shortly before this party is to
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kick off on June 15 1974 and law enforcement will tell us time and time again that Foul Play is
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very much suspected in her disappearance and a reminder anyone with information about Belinda van lith is asked to call
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the Wright County Sheriff's Office at 763 682-7879 this case for me was an intriguing one
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and a listener recommendation several listeners had recommended this case they've still not found this poor young
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woman and if you recall Captain it was one of the neighbors they lived in this really cool Community where it was these
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nice homes and sometimes you might even describe a plot of land like a farm type
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setting but they had these wonderful homes that were all by the lake there and kind of everybody knew everybody's
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situation it's believed that one of the neighbors that somehow became aware that
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this young 17-year-old attractive young lady is watching the neighbor's house house
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sitting and she's by herself she's vulnerable and so it's always kind of been thought that this guy who was a
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neighbor has something to do with her disappearance now a little bit behind the scenes on this case that we didn't
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discuss when we were covering it not only did this story intrigue me and the way that this suspect has been able to
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dodge police and really this is one of those situations I don't even know if we had a body if they would be able to
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arrest him right we see that in a lot of these cases if they just could find the
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victim we're pretty certain we know who did it and we're going to put that guy in handcuffs and he's going to have to
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go to court and face the music this case I think most people think they know who
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is responsible for her disappearance but I'm not convinced that even with a body
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that that would lead to this individual's arrest now we don't know what they have hold back information I
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don't suspect that there's a lot but that could change the outcome of that situ situation now behind the
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scenes one thing that was intriguing to me is we were I was assisting porch light which is an Ohio nonprofit We
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victim advocacy program that we've set set up years ago I've been heavily inv involved the captains helped us out we
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were actively looking for new cases because thank you to all the people that have contributed to the Beer fund and
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people that have contributed to pchonline.org we have enough funding to take on a couple more cases for
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2025 actually we were looking for cases for the second part of 2024 and I can't go into the specifics
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but we this covering Belinda van Li's disappearance on True Crime garage actually led to porchlight picking up a
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case working with law enforcement on a current active case that we started working with law enforcement believe it
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was in October so I'm interested to see where that's going to take us and where that will lead but the short of it what
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I can say at this time is there is a a case here in Ohio where we have identified remains
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that were found Foul Play suspected where I only came across the case only became aware of the case because Belinda
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van lith is on the list of exclusions so if you go to namus you'll see that often
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times with these unclaimed or unidentified remains they'll be exclusions people that they've been able
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to exclude either based off of physical appearance or DNA a or other factors well our unidentified person
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here in Ohio had a list of exclusions Belinda van lith being one of them so that means and and from my understanding
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captain in this particular case that exclusion came by way of DNA meaning that they have Belinda van DNA even
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though she went missing back in 1974 so reason to have some optimism about Belinda case and it was you never know
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how you're going to find these cases and it's always interesting to me when when
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one case leads to another and that certainly happened here and in some weird roundabout way we might be getting
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Justice for somebody else because of Belinda at this point which would be absolutely amazing yeah so that's my
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number five cabins by the lake my number five is episode 770 the Brian schaer interview Brian
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schaer was 27 when he went missing he's he's the famous missing guy that goes into a bar is seen on CCTV footage going
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into the bar but not seen on camera leaving the bar and this interview was with head detective of the case John
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Hurst and the interview was done with me and Maggie freeling very proud of this episode it was interesting and a honor
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to be a part of an interview on a case that I'm very fascinated with but also Maggie's a real journalist so just to
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see how she conducted the interview the way she was taking notes during the process the way she was
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Fallen up with certain questions and so to take this interview that we did a few
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years back into edit it down for the show uh I thought every year that we do this podcast I think I learned more
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about crime and one of the things I think I learned this year is one of the things that podcasts do documentaries do
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news articles is we're putting pieces of the puzzle on the table or we're taking
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those pieces of the puzzle off the table and so the more that we can put on the table the better picture of the case we
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can get and I think that's what this interview does it gives us a better understanding of the case but also
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better understanding of how law enforcement was looking into The Disappearance of 27-year-old Brian
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Schaefer those were great episodes the other thing too don't sell yourself short what was great for me me as a
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listener on that one was that you know you have Maggie with her background but also you with your background you have
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an intimate knowledge of Columbus Ohio having grown up in Columbus Ohio lived in a Columbus Ohio for a very long time
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and and also an understanding of the let's call it the music scene for Columbus Ohio because we do know that
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that is part of the story Brian was there with friends and there was a band playing that night and so you were able
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to offer a a an intriguing perspective from somebody that is a Columbus native which in a lot of tellings of Brian's
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story his disappearance it's not being told by people that are from here or from the area so it adds a a different
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layer to the the storytelling and to that interview my number four Captain is ran brazelle which was
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episodes we it's part one through three kind of I mean we covered the case in Parts one and two but it's really
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because of the third episode so these were episodes 741 742 and 743 from March of last year early March
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March 6 6th 7th and 8th were the release dates of those episodes but it's really
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episode three that that made this make it on the list for me so the show notes are in late February of 2004 5 a crew
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working the A-line Subway tunnel in Brooklyn New York found dismembered body parts in trash bags later the victim was
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identified as 19-year-old ran brazelle ran had vanished three days earlier the New York City Police Department searched
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all over the country for Clues all over the country Ran's murder case was profiled several times on America's Most
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Wanted and we covered it in the garage in 2024 it's one of those weird cases it sits in
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the unsolved bin but many consider it to be solved just the person responsible has not been tried and convicted of
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rashan's murder in fact the person believed to be responsible has been tried and convicted of another murder
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and he's never getting out of prison or or hopefully never gets out of prison because this guy is a
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serial killer it was episode 3 743 that really made me want to include this one on my list because we
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interviewed Ran's mother desire and it was to discuss the case and and also where it stands today
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because she's quite angry that they are refusing to charge this individual with her son's murder and I and we backed her
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100% there seem seems to be evidence there seems to be reason to to try it however it feels like it's not a slam
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dunk case and it seems like they're hesitant to try it because it's not a slam dunk
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case and the guy is already locked up and he doesn't seem to be going anywhere and probably will never get out so it's
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a situation where they feel they being the district attorney's office that it's kind of a no- win situation for
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them right like it's it's it if they take the chance they could lose the case right if if they win it what are they
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really gaining because this guy's already going to be in prison forever well but no the the mom says I want you
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to I want you guys to see this through and you guys told me right you told me that you were going to you're going to
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see this through and that you're going to get Justice for my son and that you're going to punish the individual to
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the full extent of the law when this individual was caught and that has not happened and and and she has nudged them
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very politely all along the way trying to get them and to remind them and what was so with this case and this story and
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I like that we get to do these look in the rearview mirror and recommend some of these episodes to people because it
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gives an opportunity to for us to explain some things that wouldn't be necessary to the storytelling of the
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case some of the behind the scenes stuff and with this one what happened was the only
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reason why we spoke with desire was look she's a bulldog man she she has made it up in her mind that she loved
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her son her son was what like her like her best friend and she decided I'm going to fight for my son no matter what
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nothing's going to stand in my way I'm going to fight for him so we get in touch with desire only because of the
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detective so it reached out to the detective to get some information on this case cuz I was a little clueless
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when I was going through the research and putting everything together I'm like I just don't understand why this
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individual hasn't been charged for Ran's murder I'm talking to the detective and
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he gave us some some information that you couldn't find in the in the newspapers and online and so I was very
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thankful but he did tell me he said look nick uh you have to talk to rashan's mom
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I said okay I'm happy to speak with her if if you say that's what I should do he
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goes no he goes I promised this woman she made me promise her that anytime her son's case is talked about that she gets
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a chance to weigh in and I said I told the detective absolutely I I mean if that's a mother's wish I we we we are
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not going to stand in the way of a mother's wish I said so give me her email give me her phone number I'll
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reach out to her just listening to her talk in that third episode and listening to her talk about her son and talk about
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her case and how she believes it could have been handled differently I cannot say enough nice things about Ran's
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mother it was and it was really powerful from even from a podcaster perspective to have that interview and look we've
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interviewed plenty of family members of victims but this is one that I will absolutely never forget well I think
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there was a question on whether we put it on the Main feed or if we put it on off the Record and what I was saying
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five minutes ago this adds pieces of the puzzle to the case and that's why we thought it was important to put on the
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Main feed that's exactly right so my number four is 11 skulls episodes 788 and 789 this is the episode that we did with
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Josh Hallmark from True Crime [ __ ] and Dakota and Josh from somewhere in the Pines podcast this was our
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discussion if you will on serial killer Israel Keys American serial killer that I've always been fascinated with and so
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this was a way because Israel Keys has been covered so many times a little behind the scenes for the beautiful
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listeners when a case has been covered so much or serial killer has been covered so much we try to think is there
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something that we could bring to the table can we do something different to still cover the same information but
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doing it in a different way and so this was a discussion between the five of us and um it was a a tough one to
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edit because there was so many voices but um I think worth it in the end so so my number four is 11 skulls episodes 788
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and 789 on your true crime garage radio dial well and it was really fun to work with those guys on mic and off mic all
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three of them are brilliant in in the stuff that they're putting together and the stuff that they're putting out and
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so it was really fascinating to hear what it is that they are up to and Josh from True Crime [ __ ] is like a
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walking encyclopedia I branica about the case like you can ask him any detail from any year and he's got some
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information that he can tell you and so talking with him was fascinating was fantastic and then the guys from
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somewhere in the Pines who are just doing next level [ __ ] when it comes to what they're doing with with the Israel
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Keys case actually going out and looking for these hidden concealed bar kill kits
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that Keys put around the the country what I thought was so fascinating with talking with both those podcast are
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their their podcasts are about the same case every week so you want to talk about a true Deep dive where as we cover
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different cases every week so there's a fascinating aspect of that because man there's about five cases I would love to
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just cover and talk about every week and probably could find some new piece of information every week to discuss but
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also it's fascinating to see both True Crime [ __ ] and Somewhere In the Pines podcasts that are hands down going
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to make a difference in the outcome of those cases because of Josh's work and because Somewhere In the Pines is work
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we're going to have more information and we're going to be able to identify more victims and give answers to family
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members of those victims because of their work when we come back the top three of 2024 but first a quick beer
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[Music] break a few years ago while digging through a box in storage I expected to
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find old keepsakes from the 1990s instead I found VHS tapes and police reports detailing a murder that happened
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in Dayton Ohio police arrested Jim mcquarter from Timothy Perell for the Triangle Park murder and as the two are
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brought to jail mcarter blames Terrell I do it right there right there as I dug through the contents of the box I
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uncovered that the murderer may have been connected to a group who called themselves the Lords of death I'm
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Thrasher Banks host of the new Tenderfoot TV showe Lords of death join me as I unpack the box and discover
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connections between the Lords of death and a slew of unsolved murders they're just two little scrawny men but what
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going to solve this case featuring new cast member Gina Rodriguez I'm a prosecutor we deal in truth and facts
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rocket money.com garage [Music] all right tall hands in the air thanks for telling your mother
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thanks for telling your brother cheers everybody and cheers to you Colonel cheers to you Captain cheers to all of
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the wonderful beautiful listeners out there thank you for being a for the ride for 2024 and we hope you are buckled up
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and strapped in for 2025 because we got a lot of interesting cases and true crime stories coming your
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way the calendar is shaping up nicely for 202 my number three True Crime garage episodes for 2024 Captain is the Florida
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Vampire episodes Parts one and two this is episodes 749 and 7 50 from April April 9th and 10th in November of 1985
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in Malibar Florida authorities responded to a strange and disturbing call a young
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woman who had been abducted the day before somehow managed to escape from her captor home a motorist found the
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young woman on the side of the road he took her to his home for both her protection and to call First Responders
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for help the woman described to detectives what the abductor had subjected her to over the last 22 hours
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an abduction case was rare but perhaps the most startling detail of the woman's story was that the man who had offered
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her a ride he had then tortured her in his home he also drank the woman's blood these two
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episodes were about John Brenan crutchley he is a convicted kidnapper and rapist widely regarded to be a a
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serial killer the numbers are astonishing because he's suspected of potentially having murdered up to 30
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women it is my belief and many in law enforcement as well that the woman who managed to escape from his home he would
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have killed her remember if you listen to those episodes he they found in his possession driver's licenses of missing
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women and murdered women we've seen with serial killers they take trophies for a lack of a better term
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yeah and it's a little Hollywood esque right it's it's it's kind of something ripped right out of a movie that the
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serial killer would keep a driver's license or state identification card but he had these in his possession it's in
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the movies because it's based on reality that's right he had these in his possession with no explanation for why
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he would have had these items so yeah this one this is a case we really kind of boiled it down and what I mean by
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boiling it down is 30 might be uh an ambitious number for the potential number of victims of this guy but he he
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had lived in in a few different states and what we were able to do in those episodes was to to give
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a a good look at the timeline of his life and where he was at what year years and what he was doing in those areas and
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then also cross reference that with murder victims or missing women in that area from those times and so we kind of
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boiled it down from about 30 potential victims to I think we had him somewhere between 12 and 16 and some of the
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victims look to be stronger there's a stronger argument for some of these victims that he's responsible than
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others of course but yeah he's never been officially convicted of murder but suspected of
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having killed many women several women and he's called The Vampire rapist that's his nickname we called him the
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Florida vampire he's the vampire rapist because he drained the blood of his one confirmed victim almost to the point of
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death and he also is on record saying that there were other women that he didn't kill that he drank their blood as
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well as some as some kind of sexual thing that he was in to now th this these episodes were strange as I said
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earlier each case each True Crime Story is unique and you have to take a different approach with each one and a
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lot of times I don't know exactly the approach that I'm going to take when I start researching a case or how we're
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going to tell the story a lot of times it's kind of presented to me along the way at some point and really this case
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started off with the episodes that came out just prior to the vampire the Florida Vampire episodes so the episodes
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prior 747 and 748 on your true crime garage listing dial those were titled murder at NAS Norfolk and what happened
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there was Carol an molar a 21-year-old Navy clerk disappeared February 6th of 1983 her body was found about 3 months
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later at the Naval Air Station in Norfolk Virginia so one of her relatives reached out to the
00:35:01
show and said look I I'm related to Carol an molar and her case is still unsolved and not only is it unsolved but
00:35:11
I believe it was NCIS as the investigating agency the lead on this case well NCIS is quite secretive right
00:35:20
you don't see them in the newspapers or on the news openly talking about their their open cases very often
00:35:28
so the relative reached out to us and said look you guys do I tune in and I I hear stuff on your guys's show details
00:35:37
about cases and stories that I I don't hear elsewhere so somehow you guys are finding this
00:35:44
information we our family we do not know very much about our relatives murder case there's not much in the newspapers
00:35:53
and NCIS is not talking anything that we could learn about the case we we want to know more about it so
00:36:02
can you guys do some digging and and tell us what you find and really her case is still still quite the mystery
00:36:10
and and one one thing we did determine is it was long suspected that her murder was connected to another murder the
00:36:18
murder of Pamela and Kimu we did a lot of looking and analyzing that potential and really I I think that argument falls
00:36:28
apart rather quickly I don't think those two cases are connected in fact Pamela and Kim's case has been solved somewhat
00:36:36
recently it was a cold case but they did make an arrest and that guy is put away
00:36:41
forever we were able to provide Carolyn's family with some more information that they had not had prior
00:36:47
to contacting us so I was very proud of that but what it spilled into was that John Brennan crutchley the vampire
00:36:55
rapist Florida vampire was considered or is considered by some to be a suspect in the Carol and Molar
00:37:04
murder and while we don't think that he is responsible what it turned into was this huge
00:37:11
story that ultimately took four episodes to tell there was enough activity in the
00:37:17
area of Norfolk at the time of carolanne molnar's murder in 1983 that we had to tell all that story
00:37:25
before we could even get to this John Brennen crutchley guy because his the things he suspected of and the things
00:37:32
that we were potentially able to tie him to it's a long list of of horrific things that this guy is suspected of
00:37:41
having committed yeah and like what we're talking about last week evidence found on the killer with these IDs and
00:37:49
you just wonder what compels them to hold on to this evidence that could lead them to be found guilty of other crimes
00:37:59
yeah I it's hard to say but my guess is that with a lot of these types that this
00:38:04
is something that they've long desired to do they've long fantasized about committing these types of crimes and
00:38:11
therefore when they do they need some kind of something to hold on to to relive it because for them it's like one
00:38:20
of their greatest achievements right like if you and I were to go out and play a high school football and win the
00:38:25
state yeah never would they would give us a trophy and we we could hang on to that forever and and
00:38:31
keep it if we wish well that would be a major accomplishment for a normal person
00:38:38
for these types these kind of Acts are their major accomplishment well that's a great number three a lot of twist and
00:38:45
turns and my number three has a lot of twist and turns also my number three is out or in episode 787
00:38:57
this is about Bob Gil he was a bar owner he turned around a failing bar to become
00:39:03
a successful bar years later he goes missing he is found miles away from where he should be dressed as a ninja
00:39:13
out in the fields and that's just the beginning of this tale this is one of the true crime stories that if I'm at a
00:39:22
party and I start talking about Bob Gill's case people don't even believe it they they think you're making
00:39:31
most of it up which is just proof that the truth is Stranger Than Fiction it does sound like something from a crime
00:39:41
fiction book right it really truly does and it's an incredibly fascinating case and one where we we're pretty sure we
00:39:49
know who did it but then it comes down to you got to prove it yeah can can you prove it and and it wasn't the only
00:39:57
murder discussed in that episode because there were there was another homicide that seems like this this guy was
00:40:07
masterful at duping people out of their money but also probably having to commit
00:40:13
murder to to do so or at least in Bob's case yeah it's almost like the murders are secondary to the con man job the
00:40:22
greed driven killer who will kill multiple people for his own advancement and his own greed my number two Captain
00:40:33
I have apex predator Parts one and two episodes 743 and 744 from March those came out in March 12 and 13 of
00:40:45
2024 the Virginia State Police and the FBI are calling Allan Wade Wilmer senior a serial killer after his death Alan
00:40:53
Wade Wilmer Senor was linked to three murders two of those murders are part of the series known as the Colonial Parkway
00:41:01
murders Allan Wade Wilmer Senor killed David nobling and Robin Edwards in Isle of white in
00:41:09
1987 and he is also responsible for the murder of Teresa how in Hampton Virginia
00:41:16
this week in the garage sorry this is from the show notes this week in the garage Nick and the captain discussed
00:41:20
how police linked Alan Wilmer to these murders discussing where the other Parkway cases stand and relation to him
00:41:28
being a good suspect so I was always and have been for a very long time consumed
00:41:35
by the Colonial Parkway murders just a case that it was one that we you know we covered many years ago and one thing
00:41:45
that's so unique about that case in compared to other serial killer cases and I'm talking about unidentified
00:41:52
serial killer cases it's we have the series of murders and no one can really if you if you
00:42:01
collected a hundred people that were involved in this story the overarching story of all uh eight of these it's
00:42:11
technically six murders in two disappearances but it's it's let's go ahead and say eight murders because
00:42:18
those the Disappeared people they've not been seen forever I mean for for over 30
00:42:24
years by this point these eight homicides were broken up into four different events or attacks and if you collected
00:42:34
the the different jurisdictions and people that worked the cases or people that were affected by the cases being
00:42:39
the the family members of these eight victims you're not going to get all of them to agree 100% that these cases are
00:42:48
in fact all committed by the same perpetrator or perpetrators I want to make sure we say that because I have
00:42:54
some suspicions about Allan Associates of Alan Wade Wilmer Senor but it took all of this time Captain to finally
00:43:03
connect and solve two of the cases so David nobling and Robin Edwards were out together at Isle of white in 1987 where
00:43:14
they were it it looks to me and based off of what we now know about the case that the killer stumbled upon these two
00:43:23
and for a lack of better term Hunted them down in the middle of the night when he stumbled upon them they're out
00:43:32
just having a good time and they come across the absolute monster with a shotgun
00:43:40
so the the I was very happy to see that they've Advanced the case we also talked
00:43:47
about some of the weird problems and maybe even weird stumbles by Virginia State Police and the FBI on this case
00:43:57
because Alan Wade Wilmer Senor turns out was a suspect in one of the other cases
00:44:03
he he he was one of their Prime suspects at one point and they moved on from him
00:44:08
yeah and never really circled back to him and then he then he's later after he dies well after he's dead they say well
00:44:18
we have DNA evidence that tells us that he is absolutely responsible for these two murders that are part of the
00:44:25
Colonial Parkway series but also this Teresa how from Hampton Virginia that we didn't know was connected to any of
00:44:33
those other murders at all and one thing we were able to do too is to look at his
00:44:39
activities best that we could find and bring up some other potential victims of his well like you said in the
00:44:49
Colonial Parkway murders there's eight murder victims so then if you add the other case now we got nine victims and
00:44:58
is he only responsible for those nine or could there be a plethora of other victims and and I think that there there
00:45:07
are Ag and we did point out some in fact we pointed out one victim in particular
00:45:14
who has a direct connection from victim to him as a suspect so look into that and and check those ones out if you
00:45:25
haven't already apex predator yeah and you could go back and listen to the original Parkway murders coverage add
00:45:32
those to your list and now you you got a whole series so my number two which is weirdly it's it's kind of part of a
00:45:40
series even though we didn't label it as such is West Memphis 3 a harvest of Innocence this is where you were able to
00:45:50
sit down with Dan stum defense attorney for Jesse Miss Kelly and the famous West
00:45:58
Memphis 3 case episodes 756 757 the reason why I say it's kind of a part of a series and it really didn't get its
00:46:07
due because I think we confused the listeners a little bit we put out our original coverage of the West Memphis 3
00:46:16
followed it up with these two episodes where you sat down and talked with Dan stum about his book and about his time
00:46:25
and his involvement in the West Memphis three case but then after that we had a two-part Series where it was just me and
00:46:32
you discussing where are our thoughts at on this case so many years after we originally covered it yeah and 30 years
00:46:42
after the the case took place so maybe I I don't know what the best way to do this is because you're spoton with your
00:46:51
with what you're saying here is that it kind of got lost in the sauce a little bit and and that was was similar to what
00:46:59
took place with our John Benet ramsy coverage because we were we're at crime con earlier and in
00:47:06
2024 and several people that had come up to our table oh by the way if you want to attend crime con 2025 it's in
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00:47:24
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00:47:31
several people come up to us and they're like I love your guys' coverage of John
00:47:35
Benet Ramsey and I remember going oh yeah did you like the new episodes that we put out so we put out additional John
00:47:42
Benet Ramsey episodes in December of 2023 having already covered Ramsay when did we first cover that 21 I Believe it'
00:47:51
been a couple years yeah but but we added six or seven more episodes of of John B Ramsay coverage and what we did
00:48:00
was we re-released our previous Ramsay coverage and Then followed it up with the additional episodes or maybe we had
00:48:09
the additional episodes first I don't remember the exact order but what we're doing here with the West Memphis 3 stuff
00:48:15
is similar where we're kind of setting the table right like here's what we've already discussed because in a lot of
00:48:20
these cases our initial coverage we're going through the timeline we're going through the facts we're going through
00:48:28
the questions that remain so that that is the case that is the big bulk of the case itself now we're revisiting it and
00:48:38
looking at it through a different lens and from a different angle and it would be redundant to go through the entire
00:48:46
timeline again or go through the entire list of evidence again because we've already covered that and a lot of times
00:48:54
especially with West Memphis 3 and joh Ramsay just going through the timeline and the evidence takes up a full episode
00:49:01
or two anyway and so we would never really get to the new angle the new looking at it through a different lens
00:49:08
and so we kind of set the table that way but then it gets lost on the listeners not not at large but in some form and
00:49:16
fashion so maybe I don't know if there's if there if any of the listeners have a
00:49:20
great suggestion yeah of of a way that we could do that and present that better to you so that it's it's not lost
00:49:27
because what we had was a lot of people with John Benet said what do you mean you did new episodes they said well just
00:49:34
last December we released several new episodes where we we spoke with uh John Anderson who was was good friends with L
00:49:42
SMI we spoke with uhu Steph and Joyce singular who wrote presumed guilty which is one of the more fascinating John B
00:49:51
Ramsey investigation books and we brought in all these additional people to help us look at the case and really
00:50:01
discussed a lot of information that was not covered in our first go round with it yeah it's like a like I said it was
00:50:09
us putting more pieces of the puzzle on the table well and and so a lot of the my the responses I was getting was oh I
00:50:17
just thought that you were re-releasing the episodes I didn't realized that there was new stuff and so I was very
00:50:23
happy to point out that yes there is new stuff and one thing that we set out to do when we first started doing True
00:50:31
Crime garage we didn't know how we were going to do a lot of what it is that we do and and that's
00:50:38
certainly morphed and evolved and changed throughout the years yeah but one thing we did set out to do when we
00:50:44
first started a conversation that the captain and I had was we don't want to be one of these shows that discusses a
00:50:51
case and then never discusses that case ever again and of course we are are there's good and bad with covering a new
00:50:59
case each and every week we would be remiss if we didn't revisit cases when there was new angles to explore or an
00:51:07
update yeah it seems like every week now I am running into New pieces of the puzzle and old cases that we've covered
00:51:18
I almost feel like I should do some kind of tick tock series or YouTube series where I just go hey
00:51:27
you remember the John Ben Ramsey case well here's a piece of information you probably never heard before or you know
00:51:34
the West Memphis 3 case here's a piece of information you might never heard before and some of those pieces of
00:51:41
information when they're new you it can alter the way you examine the other pieces of the puzzle that you already
00:51:51
know yeah and a lot of times too for those of you that have not checked out our subscri destion show off the Record
00:51:57
yet a lot of times too those updates or further discussions about cases that we've covered will be featured on off
00:52:06
the Record and a lot of that has to do with just the amount of information you know we do get a lot of people wonderful
00:52:14
people that will email and say hey Nick hey the captain there's been an update in one of your guys' cases do you plan
00:52:19
to revisit it and we almost always do you just may not hear it because it it does most most of the time find its way
00:52:27
to off the Record because if an update it only takes us 15 or 20 minutes to discuss then it it doesn't really
00:52:35
necessarily warrant putting it on the Big Show here so there are a lot of updates and a lot of further discussions
00:52:42
on off the Record and but that was a case where Dan stum who is somebody that we've always wanted to talk to I mean
00:52:51
there there's no shortage of people that we would want to talk to regarding the West Memphis 3 case but he was certainly
00:52:58
high on that list and the opportunity to speak with him and he's uh he's he's like the captain and I he's a long
00:53:05
winded fella so uh we we got to talk to him a lot and he doesn't what I like lik
00:53:10
to drink a little bit too well well I do I actually he didn't join me in a drink
00:53:17
unfortunately because of of a health concern at the time but uh well we hope that he's back to drinking the thing
00:53:23
here is though what I appreciated about Dan was he didn't pull any punches right
00:53:30
if if there was something on his mind or a thought that he had about the case he's not reluctant to share because he
00:53:40
he's aggravated that it's drug on for so long and he's moved on with his career he's now a judge but I appreciated that
00:53:48
he wasn't you know you you get sometimes when you talk to somebody that you know
00:53:52
has great information about a case and they're a little guarded and and he he wasn't he was a all walls down I'll tell
00:54:00
you whatever it is that you want to know if I know something about a detail about
00:54:05
the case he was willing to discuss it with us and he certainly did on those episodes my number one here captain and
00:54:13
you'll see maybe you see a little bit of a theme with some of my choices uh for our our picks here a lot of it has to do
00:54:22
with not just episodes that I'm very proud of but also episodes where we've furthered the coverage of a case and
00:54:30
then in this particular case where there was a a major update leading to an arrest this my number one episode was
00:54:41
sharef Ramen from January of last year and that was January 9th the release date it's episode number
00:54:50
728 the show notes are on Thursday night August 2023 so we were covering this just
00:54:58
months after this unfortunate event when Sharie Ramen was murdered business owner
00:55:03
and pillar of the community Sharie Ramen was attacked outside of his Owen Sound Ontario restaurant sadly Sharie did not
00:55:10
survive so he he goes to the hospital from these horrific injuries that he sustained during this attack this brutal
00:55:18
attack that involved Three Men and the the Owen Sound Police Department were asking the public for help to identify
00:55:27
the three men that they believed were all linked to the murder of Sharie Ramen so he's attacked there were
00:55:35
photographs of suspects who they were calling suspects number one and two fleeing the scene and there were also
00:55:43
some vehicles that police had questions about that they believe may be involved in this homicide so this one really
00:55:52
stuck with me for a lot of reasons and I've said this openly on the show many times there are some cases that bother
00:55:59
me more on an emotional level bother me more than others and I don't know why that is there is doesn't seem to be any
00:56:05
Rhyme or Reason for it but this one really bothered me maybe I can give a little rhyme and reason to this one part
00:56:12
of it was the wonderful nice things that people of this community had to say about shareif he was a husband and a
00:56:21
father and a business owner and he also was an individual that volunteered his time to helping others and he used his
00:56:27
restaurant to try to feed the local homeless Community as well I mean so just a guy that's doing wonderful
00:56:34
amazing things and he gets attacked by these three people that were patrons of his restaurant if not just for that one
00:56:42
single night pieces of [ __ ] absolute pieces of [ __ ] and what what I loved about this one was there was an update
00:56:51
this did lead to the arrest it was actually they arrested three individuals and the case was rather complicated the
00:56:58
investigation was rather complicated because it was International they arrested um some individuals from the UK
00:57:05
we're glad to see that that case is moving in the right direction and sadly Sharie left behind a young daughter and
00:57:13
it just it's one of those it's one of those attacks and horrific public violence scenarios that you just would
00:57:21
never dream up especially for this Victim Because this victim there was no re I mean there's no reason for most of
00:57:28
these victims to be a victim in in any of the cases that we cover but but to see uh a person who is best described as
00:57:37
a cherished member of the community being assaulted so badly that he dies in the hospital was just beyond belief and
00:57:46
and Beyond Comprehension for for me and so I was so we had locals locals who reached out to True Crime garage and
00:57:54
asked us to cover it because the the police were searching for these individuals and were wanting help and
00:58:01
they actually belied they they said it in some of their statements to the public we have reason to believe that
00:58:07
there's a potential that these suspects are not local because this is an area that people travel to to visit on
00:58:12
vacation and what have you and also that we've made enough of a public plea that
00:58:18
we think that if they were local and mind you at the same time there were people a huge outpouring for this man's
00:58:26
death and for his murder a huge outpouring of people going to public vigils and Candlelight vigils and and
00:58:33
and trying to come together as a community to help solve this case and make an arrest as a community working
00:58:41
with the police force there so they had some reason to believe that there's a potential high potential that these
00:58:48
suspects are not local and therefore they needed people to spread the word wide and far M and I was very happy that
00:58:59
we were in a small way part of that spreading the word and so quickly to rush to doing it too because it's not
00:59:07
often that we are covering a case just months after after it broke and so we we were I was very proud that we could be a
00:59:16
part even if it was in some small way to to spreading the information spreading awareness about the case and most
00:59:25
important spreading awareness that police are looking for two or three individuals that they believe are are
00:59:32
responsible and oh by the way we have images of two of these individuals we have images of vehicles We Believe are
00:59:41
are tied to this case and so there is a breadcrumb trail here we just need you John Q public to help us connect the
00:59:50
dots yes so I want to thank all the listeners that follow us on Instagram Facebook Twitter all that stuff that
00:59:58
shared those images because it all helps and and I like to go on social media myself and and watch silly videos and
01:00:08
videos where people are singing karaoke badly and I like to share the the funny videos or things that I think are
01:00:17
funny uh to to my friends uh so they have a little laugh and but I also think that these posts are very important to
01:00:27
share as well to spread the word and maybe somebody in another country sees your story that you posted and goes I
01:00:37
think I know that guy because of people sharing this stuff on social media and through the internet this is how law
01:00:45
enforcement gets more tips and like the colonel said we have three men that have
01:00:51
been arrested there's not a lot of information about that as we stand today but it's something I'm sure we're going
01:00:58
to update eventually on off the Record so my number one is it's maybe a little self-serving but it's our four-part
01:01:06
series episodes 802 to 805 Robert Juan and the reason why this is self-serving is because my favorite
01:01:16
episodes that we do are the cases that lead to discussion points and where we can speculate at a little bit or have a
01:01:28
little bit of a back and forth cuz I always feel like I learn more about the case by going well what about this or
01:01:36
what do you think of this you never uh seem to amaze me no just you never cease to amaze me that you always
01:01:47
come up with some angle on a piece of evidence or or some speculation that I I just never would have thought of of my
01:01:56
own well I appreciate you saying that that U I can't always do that with every case but the cases when we're when we're
01:02:05
working on them and before we hit record on on the episodes 95% of the time like
01:02:12
I'm I'm almost living and breathing the case for the days leading up to recording it to the point where I'm like
01:02:19
can't sleep at night lying in bed thinking about something driving me nuts about the case and so sometimes I'm able
01:02:26
to come up with something of consideration and other times not but uh yeah that that was one of those cases
01:02:32
that definitely kept me up at night for several nights in a row and it's it's one of those cases that I think they I
01:02:42
think from a strategy standpoint law enforcement and the prosecution had the right idea of charging those individuals
01:02:53
with conspiracy unfortunately it just didn't shake out as good of a job as I believe that they did it's that
01:03:01
convoluted of a case it it's that tricky of a case that it's just too hard to get a
01:03:10
conviction in something that that uh confusing really I mean that's the best way to describe that
01:03:17
case is confusing yeah and a little behind the scenes for the listeners we we have had to argue for the fact that
01:03:28
when you have ads on your show they want a set schedule and what we've had to argue or push back on consistently every
01:03:39
time we have a a contract negotiation we have to argue we let the case determine how many
01:03:48
episodes it's going to be if there's enough to talk about for six episodes we're going to do that if there's only
01:03:57
enough information to give the public for one episode that's what the case will be let the case dictate how we
01:04:06
cover the case yeah and I and I don't want to chastise other podcasts because everybody they have their own they have
01:04:13
their own formula but but one thing that I think is a little Annoying and it's not most True Crime podcasts most True
01:04:21
Crime podcasts don't handle it this way but there are some out there and the listeners will they've come across the
01:04:28
same thing so they'll share they'll share my disdain for this with me but there are some shows out there that are
01:04:36
very cookie cutter where it doesn't matter if they're talking about the Zodiac case or a case that happened an
01:04:44
hour down the road that you've never heard of before they're a 30 minute show and they they put it they put what they
01:04:51
can into 30 minutes or 45 minutes or whatever whatever their time SCH is and that's it for their coverage of the case
01:04:58
whether whether it warrants further coverage or not and I just I can't you and I can't operate that way yeah that's
01:05:08
not the show that we want to put out right and it so we will dedicate an episode to each and every one of these
01:05:16
victims that we possibly can but sometimes the case warrants the story warrants a second third or fourth
01:05:24
episode and we've gone even further fur than that before and like we said before
01:05:27
we always try to revisit a case when it is warranted we always try to revisit a case when needed and so we just
01:05:37
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01:05:46
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01:05:54
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01:06:00
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01:06:05
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01:06:11
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01:06:20
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01:06:30
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