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[Music] [Music] somewhere between sleep and Consciousness there is a whole other
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world one that is confusing blurry and hypnotizing it was in this world that all I could
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see or at least make out at the time was a Sea of Faces many of them young but it was an organized sea not
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chaotic at all the faces all seemed to be perfectly lined up in a grid row after row column after column
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84 of the October 26th 2008 edition of The Daily American Republic a fine newspaper out of Popper
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Bluff Missouri the page featured 83 faces each the face of a missing person across the top of the page en
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large type were words of immediate concern missing children which were bookended by the national Center for
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missing and exploited children organization's logo and the number to call should you have seen or have any
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information about one of the missing people people on the page or frankly anyone who is missing it all 1 1800 the
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lost I know the name does not make it clear but the national Center for missing and exploited children or Nick
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Mech for short the organization assists in bringing home adults as well in fact and unfortunately many of the younger
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folks listed on this page and on the Nick Mech website were children who went missing once upon a
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time and are now adultage missing people 34 of the faces and names were once from the state of
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Missouri one of them the face and name of this week's featured case of the missing persons featured
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from Missouri there are some names that you are sure to recognize names like that of Suzanne
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streer and Stacy McCall Suzanne and Stacy are two of the Springfield 3 three females who are still missing to
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this very day and believed to be the victims of an abduction we covered the Springfield 3
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case back in April of 2017 in episodes 97 and 98 also from Missouri there is Branson
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Perry Branson went missing in 2001 he was about 20 years old at the time we covered Branson's case in April of
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2021 episode 484 then there was the picture of a little girl from Orlando Florida the name Kaylee Marie
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Anthony Kaylee went missing in June J of 2008 remember this page was printed up for an
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October 26 2008 newspaper Kaye was still missing at this time her mother was charged with
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first-degree murder that same month kayle's body was found in December of 2008 we covered that story in a
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four-part series starting in April of 2017 with episode 101 but the focus for this week is one
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of the Missouri cases a case still active today it was the picture that was in the
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first of many rows of faces the 10th face in the row Heather Nicole color from St
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Louis Heather vanished under mysterious circumstances on a hot July night in 19 1999 this is the story of the search for
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Heather color and this this true crime [Music] [Music] garage our story starts off in July of
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1999 the unfortunate victim in this story is 12-year-old Heather color she was last seen on July 14th
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1999 this was at 10 p.m. now most of the websites out there will typically list Heather as missing since July 15th the
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next day well that is because what police rightfully have focused in on is a six hour window the 6-hour window that
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we will be talking about today is from 10 p.m. on the 14th to 4 a.m. on the 15th it appears that police have
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narrowed down the whatever happened to Heather as happening in this window of time Heather was 12 the night that she
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disappeared she was spending the night in an apartment complex in Richmond Heights Missouri this is a neighborhood
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in the greater SA Lewis area what has been told to police is that Heather was to be babysitting a two-month-old baby
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girl overnight and on that night the baby was the daughter of 23-year-old Dana Madden and 34-year-old Christopher
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Herbert these two were both friends with Christine color Christine is Heather's mother we will get into that
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relationship some more as we go through everything and before we get into the details of the night in question let's
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discuss what we know about Heather leading up to The Disappearance so Heather was only 12 years old she didn't
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live at this apartment complex she lived with her mother and brother on Vermont Avenue this is in the Greater St Louis
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area as well Heather's mother Christine is a single mother of two Heather has an older brother named
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Matthew one of Heather's favorite things was the nearby Six Flags amusement park
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to which Heather had a season pass Heather was described as mature for her age I believe someone said it was like
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she was 12 Going on 30 Heather was excited about her babysitting gig and she was looking forward to spending the
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summer earning some money a lot of kids you know going into their teenage years want to earn a little cash so they can
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spend it you know maybe it's at this amusement park but I do think it's kind of a tall task for a 12-year-old to be
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watching a two-month-old overnight I agree Captain I remember we all like to get those summer jobs and start earning
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a little bit of money it sounds like Heather was looking forward to saving up some money and there's a few different
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versions of what she was saving this money for some have said that this would be for Christmas gifts that year and
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others had said that it could be for personal items or items of a more personal nature or items for her own
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entertainment Heather was social we know this from school and her Six Flags pass
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she would visit with friends and hang out with them at the amusement park but nothing was mentioned about boys or her
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being more concerned about spending time with friends that summer rather than going off and having this job and making
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some money it appears captain that the summer was going to be spent primarily with
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this babysitting gig and using her Six Flags pass so it's summertime we have a 12-year-old watching a 2-month-old
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overnight and Heather was just I believe 410 just under 100 lb so pretty small she was just out of the sixth grade but
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a little bad news here unfortunately Heather was due to return to sixth grade after the summertime this was not about
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Behavior or grades unfortunately it was due to absences during the course of her
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sixth grade year Heather got sick and she began missing a lot of school days in February of 1999 she was diagnosed
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with type 1 diabetes this meant regular required daily insulin injections by the summer of 99 Heather
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had learned to manage her diabetes this with some reminders and supervision from
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her mother Christine before we get into the more ominous parts of our story there was a
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detail here that I found to be rather Charming if you look up Heather on the web often what will come up is a funny
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picture of Heather with no eyebrows so this picture was taken after a day when she decided she was
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going to take on some of her own Beauty regimen by plucking eyebrows and uh this
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turned into having to shave them off off I'm sure that many of us can remember times when we attempted our own haircut
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when we were young and it didn't turn out so well but I also believe that she chopped up her bangs pretty bad as well
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during this same time period leading up to her disappearance and there's a couple different reports out there and I
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I'm I'm uncertain as to why this would be here Captain so it states that she would have been spending a week
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with the couple and their new daughter and there's at least one source that had said that the intention was for her to
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stay two weeks with the couple and their daughter so she's going to be hanging out with the couple and watching the kid
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while they're there assisting with the kid while they're there and also watching the baby when they are both not
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able to be there as far as work goes we do know that Dana Madden 23-year-old she had a job at a gas
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station and often times she would work the night shift she would work the third trick Christopher Herbert his work
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status is a little more foggy uh and that will become obvious for obvious reasons as we go through the
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timeline and the events that took place after Heather went missing yeah again I'll repeat it I just think a
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12-year-old watching a two-month-old is irresponsible especially to have somebody watching a child where they
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don't have any means of transportation themselves right and it I think it's irresponsible on several levels so I
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think that it was probably a bad idea for Heather's mother to allow this to take place I also think it's a bad idea
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for the mother and father of the two-month-old to think that a 12-year-old would be capable of handling
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such a tall task but that's neither here nor there none of that can be changed now we should State here that Heather
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was in constant contact with her mother this for a multitude of reasons but primarily Christine was checking in with
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her daughter Heather to monitor the diabetes situation and to constantly remind her daughter hey you got to be
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checking everything and you got to be taking your medication as scheduled that's the most important thing here as
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far as Christine was concerned and then depending on what route you look at from
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home to home we're talking about a 15 20 minute drive for mother to get to daughter should Heather needs
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something the interesting part here too Captain like one thing I I couldn't wrap
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my head around early on in looking at this case was like you said not just why would we have a 12-year-old watching a
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two-month-old but why would my 12-year-old be staying with another couple and I think I felt a little
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better about this the more I kind of dived into the the relationship there so Christine was to be good friends with
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Dana Madden the mother at the the apartment where she'll be watching the 2-year-old and then Christopher Herbert
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who is older than Dana Christopher Herbert's 34 Dana Madden's 23 the father of the
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two-month-old he has known Christine Heather's mother and Heather for a good deal of time so at
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one point Christopher and Heather's mother had an on and off again relationship and Christopher would
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stay at Christine and Heather's house or apartment on occasion so he was rather close to Heather before any of this took
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place as well that doesn't make me feel any better about the situation you're basically saying that
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her mom and and this guy were were in a relationship yes at one time they were in a relationship yeah I'm what I'm
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getting at though Captain is I was concerned going into this situation where we may have a male living in the
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apartment with a 12-year-old girl being inserted into to a situation with a man that she does not know right they have a
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lengthy history both the male and the female Christopher and Dana so the police have really narrowed down this
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timeline to about a 6-h hour window so let's go over the night in question yes and I think one thing that we should
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point out here regardless of if it was supposed to be a onewe stint or a two we period that she would be assisting the
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the new parents that this was not night one you know this was not the first night that she was to be there and the
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the the other thing that that's unsettling here as well you have to wonder with Dana working overnight how
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many of these evenings how many of these babysitting shifts for Heather were to be overnight her alone with the
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two-month-old overnight in this apartment complex and not going going to lie it was pretty easy and pretty quick
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to figure out that this apartment complex not the best area not not the kind of area that I'm going to move into
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and raise a two-month-old so we have Christopher Herbert and Dana Madden their newborn
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baby living at 1646 Yale Avenue and the way that this story works is that 23-year-old Dana man she said
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says that she goes to work her overnight shift she's going to be showing up for her shift leaving the apartment about 1
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p.m. that night with the intention of returning after her shift is done at 7 a.m. the following morning Christopher
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Herbert Heather color and the two-month daughter are all at the apartment when Dana Madden leaves let's fast forward to
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around 4:00 a.m. or after 4: a.m. sometime in the 4:00 a.m. hour Christopher Herbert comes home he said
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he left the apartment at 10:30 p.m. that night when he arrives the following morning it's still dark out of course in
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that 400 a.m. hour he says that even through the door before he even opens up his front door he could hear his baby
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inside crying right he thought that when he opened up the door he would see Heather trying to console the the little
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girl or taking care of the little girl trying to figure out why she is crying and how we could stop that unfortunately
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Christopher says that when he went into the apartment he does not find Heather he
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only finds his crying little two-month-old daughter where but where does Christopher say he went let's save
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that for when the police arrive here Captain because what we have here is his next move is going to be calling his
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girlfriend Dana Madden at work he calls her and there's some discrepancy on how lengthy this
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conversation was there's some discrepancy on how this phone call played out some say he calls in talks to
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Dana briefly Dana gets off the phone calls the police reports Heather missing the other version of that story is that
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he called Dana they end up in an argument on the phone and then after the argument Dana hangs
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up calls police to me I don't think it really matters exactly what happened on that
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phone call as far as the discrepancies in those two stories I couldn't imagine there not being an argument on that
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phone call it's an intense situation so somebody passing by and hearing this conversation could mistake Panic worry
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and uh maybe a little frustration with each other that you know that doesn't mean that they're arguing and the two
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likely reported it differently to police right you you you're talking to Dana you're talking to Christopher you're
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talking to them separately Dana's probably saying yeah I gave him I gave him the business I gave him the what for
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when he called me I was panicking this is my friend's daughter and Christopher maybe he saw it a different way maybe
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he's he's looking for Heather he's concerned he's in a panic state doesn't feel like it was necessarily an argument
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just two people as you said excited panicked uh maybe raised voices because of the situation with no intent of
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arguing or debating who's to blame here right police are on the scene a little after 5:00 a.m. they're at the apartment
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and they are searching the apartment complex they are searching the apartment the surrounding areas looking for
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Heather now you had asked about where did Christopher Herbert say that he was well he told police that he left the
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apartment at 10:30 that night and he left the apartment to take a friend home well that seems a little strange it
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shouldn't take 5 and a half hours to take a friend home and police were on to that very quickly they questioned
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Christopher Herbert why would you tell us you were gone a whole 5 and a half hours he didn't have a solid answer for
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that what he did have was a a second story I was at a park near the riverbank uh and a friend
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and I went there to party together and when I came home Heather was gone so you go to a park after 1 p.m. chances are if
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that's a state park it's not open after a certain time period I don't trust any of these people
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that they changed their story immediately well of course yeah and when two twostory Chris well it's going to
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turn into more like four story Chris before we get done with with our story um so they speak with Christopher and
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immediately he changes his story as said he's out partying in a park with one of
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his buddies and when he returns Heather is not there now they start going around
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and they are looking through uh the apartment complex they're knocking on doors and one of the doors that they
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knock on is a man by the name of Mike Mason Mike Mason is a friend of Christopher herberts They Know Each
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Other Well and in fact Mike Mason knows Heather color as well because he is often over at Herbert's apartment very
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quickly in the search for Heather what they discover Captain is drug paraphernalia in the apartment complex
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itself in fact where they find it is in a garage a detached garage that is shared by these two men Christopher
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Herbert and Mike Mason what's unclear here Captain is who all had access to this garage right we know that these two
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guys who lived in separate dwellings both had access to this garage both it's reported had shared the garage but were
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they're sharing the garage with anybody else that is a good question but they find paraphernalia in this garage area
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murky and how foggy this story is going to be for the investigators they're really trying to hone in on what could
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have happened to this missing girl where could she be where can we locate her how
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can we bring her home safe and as you pointed out and as I agreed I don't think we don't think she was already
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placed in the best of situations and now we're dealing with the the worst of the
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worst a true nightmare well no and the thing too is if if if her mother actually knew these individuals like you
00:31:56
said said this 34 year-old man leaves he he he was capable of staying at home but he leaves to take his friend
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home again we have no mention of that friend initially being at the house when uh when the wife leaves for work he's
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gone for 5 hours and when they start searching the premises they find evidence that they're cooking
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methamphetamines so if you knew these individuals she probably knew what they were involved in that's another reason
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not to have your daughter watching their two-month-old exactly and here's the thing here too captain and I know that
00:32:37
police have sorted some of this mess out I know that they have their suspects in
00:32:43
this case but the timeline is unclear because of what we pointed out before the break you said old two-story
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Christopher well I said four-story Christopher the whole stories here are going to create a bunch of problems for
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our timeline that we are going to try to sort out that timeline should lead us to
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who is most likely to have actually seen Heather last so what we do have here Captain one box that we can check is
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that 10 p.m. box so that 10 p.m. that night Dana Madden says that she leaves to go to her
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overnight shift she intends to work the shift they follow up on that law enforcement follows up on that they
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confirm 100% Dana Madden was at work that night arrived on time and she was still there
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when the when the phone call came in from Christopher that Heather was missing what's unclear and I know you
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were kind of dancing around this just a second ago the first story that Christopher supplies to the police is
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that he drove a friend home well who was that friend and was he at the apartment
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at the time that Dana left the apartment yeah or was it a situation where the friend calls and I'm I'm at work can you
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pick me up and take me home Christopher's story has always been that he left the apartment at
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10:30 what's tricky here is we know this from the information that came out from
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law enforcement the next morning after Heather is reported missing when they are out knocking on doors looking for
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Heather hoping to find her in somebody's apartment one of the people they talk to
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is this Mike Mason who is friends with Christopher friends with Dana he says he knows Heather doesn't know where she is
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didn't see her that night according to his statements the police then ask Mike Mason if he could drive to Dana's place
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of work at the gas station in nearby St Louis pick her up and return her to the apartment
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complex so what what that implies is that maybe she did not drive herself to work that night so is it
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possible that the husband leaves with the friend and leaves with his wife to drop her off and then drop him off it's
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see that's what's difficult to sort out because Christopher's story has always been and and one thing we should say in
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his defense he does give different stories but in all of his stories he's leaving the apartment at 10:30 and
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returning to the apartment a little after 4 that part always stays the same in his stories
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so you're right does Christopher have to drive Dana to work and we know that this
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is only it's only about a 10-minute drive so he could in theory return to the apartment then his buddy comes over or
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he meets up with a buddy and be there for a few minutes and decide to leave at 10:30 and and return his friend what is
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not likely is that he returned his friend to the friend's home it's probably more likely that his friend and
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Christopher get in the same vehicle at 10:30 they go off to the park and now they're drinking and getting high
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together well it's all fishy and it's all suspect and like I said I mean you're you're the mother of this
00:36:18
12-year-old daughter you're sending her over there to a babysit a 2mon old and it's like yeah you've been
00:36:26
friends with these individuals for a while but then you you probably know that they have some drug use in their
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history or their or their currently drug users and now you have the situation where like like you said you we're
00:36:41
finding evidence that they're cooking meth in a in a garage in these apartments it's yeah it would be very
00:36:48
difficult for us to sit here and try to sort out what uh her mother Christine knew about these two and and what she
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didn't know what we do know is that Heather was supposed to be there and and what we have to sort out is Christopher
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Herbert's versions of his story so version one and two are different in the sense that he goes off to return his
00:37:16
friend home version two he and his friend are at the park drinking and getting high together
00:37:24
and then he returns at 4:00 a.m. again the thing that that that always stays true in those two stories or or Remains
00:37:31
the Same I shouldn't say stays true Remains the Same in those two stories is that he left at 10:30 and returned a
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little after 4:00 a.m. in version three he left at 10:30 returned at 4:00 a.m. so that
00:37:47
stays the same he's at the park same park near the riverbank near the river and they are he and his friend are
00:37:59
making meth there Story 4 gets even even more out there well surprise surprise what's interesting to me is a couple
00:38:08
things here police seem to all agree that the 10 p.m statement from Dana Madden she went to work Heather was
00:38:18
alive and fine I that's last time I saw her it seems like police have reason to believe that that is accurate right
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that they have evidence to back up that that part of this story is a truth so whatever happened we now need to be
00:38:35
concerned starting at 10:01 p.m. the night before up until Christopher calls Dana at her work the following morning
00:38:45
which is in the 4:00 hour well in this case we have a good report coming from a newspaper article on what the police
00:38:54
were seeing as they arrived tock check out and figure out what's going on and where is this missing girl right so for
00:39:01
a little Clarity here July 15th would have been a Thursday that week in 1999 this report comes from the St Louis Post
00:39:10
Dispatch and they're reporting this on Saturday July 17th they're getting their information from the police as they
00:39:18
worked the investigation on that Thursday they're giving information to the newspaper the Friday morning so the
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article is by Valerie shrimp and she states as follows police said that they suspect foul play in The Disappearance
00:39:34
of 12-year-old Heather color who was last seen early Thursday morning in a Richmond Heights
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Apartment about 2 a.m. Thursday a neighbor so we have a a potential eyewitness here according to this report
00:39:49
it says at about 2 a.m. that Thursday a neighbor taking out his dog says that he
00:39:55
saw a man carrying a child who would have been about Heather's age out of the apartment when they say the apartment
00:40:05
they mean Christopher and Dana's apartment right this witness or potential eyewitness says the child's
00:40:11
upper body was wrapped in a comforter she was not wearing shoes and appeared to be
00:40:16
sleeping investigators said the neighbors report plus other evidence LED them to suspect Foul Play quote it
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supports our belief that she didn't leave on on her own this from Lieutenant Robert Lowry Jr of the St Louis area
00:40:32
major K Squad police describ this comforter as an off-white with faded flowers quilted on one side and flat
00:40:41
Cotton On The Other Side authorities said they were concentrating their investigation on people who knew
00:40:49
Heather and then this is going to add to the thought of Foul Play police say that they found blood inside
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the apartment oh God but test had yet to determine if the blood belonged to the missing girl
00:41:08
Heather blood was found outside of the apartment now this turned out to be blood that was from a neighbor who had
00:41:18
been bitten by a dog recently police said some of the belongings in the apartment were out of
00:41:25
place after the girl was reported missing but authorities were not releasing a whole lot of details they go
00:41:32
on to tell the public that Heather is a diabetic who needs two shots of insulin a day without them she would become
00:41:40
dehydrated and slip into a diabetic coma well this is where it becomes tricky because because of
00:41:48
her new it's a new situation for her as far as being diabetic and having to test
00:41:56
and again she's young she's 12 years old this is a again if if if my daughter just found out she was diabetic and we
00:42:05
needed to make sure that she had insulin and make sure that we test multiple times a day I'd want her around me as
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much as possible I'd want her to be staying at home as much as possible until we get this situation under
00:42:20
control because there could be an accident there could be something uh this guy leaves for a little bit and and
00:42:28
she goes into some a a coma State and freaks out MH and instead of calling the cops
00:42:37
because he's either high on drugs or involved with drug making and probably drug selling he's he's less likely to
00:42:46
call 911 right and the thing here too Captain is that may be what the argument would have been about had there been one
00:42:55
on the call from Christopher to Dana Madden he may have been telling her don't know don't call the police I got
00:43:04
some stuff around here I need to clean up and hide I got some things we got to we got to sort out before we can have
00:43:10
the law knocking on the door and the this article gives a little more detail saying that Dana Madden and Christopher
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Herbert had lived in that apartment for about a year uh prior to this disappearance their daughter is to
00:43:26
months old as we said earlier and this report states that Heather had been staying with them since Saturday uh to
00:43:33
help watch the baby and as we said the the time in question is Thursday morning so she's been there a
00:43:42
couple of nights leading up to the night that she goes missing they do state openly in this article that Christopher
00:43:50
Herbert has made conflicting statements to police but he is not considered a sus
00:43:56
supect at this time and I hate when they say that just say everybody's a suspect
00:44:02
at this time we have a missing 12-year-old girl but the neighbor if if you get a good enough
00:44:09
look where you can identify this comforter wouldn't you be able to identify your neighbor cuz he was
00:44:15
neighbors with Christopher wouldn't he be able to say and it was Christopher that was carrying this child out so
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that's where the problem Falls here so we have the neighbor who says I saw a man carrying a child the child's wrapped
00:44:31
in a comforter no shoes on and appeared to be sleeping they have a description of the comforter this is not coming from
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the the neighbor the and I keep saying potential eyewitness and you'll understand very quickly why cuz he was
00:44:46
high on meod fenamin the the description of the comforter is coming from Dana Madden and
00:44:53
Christopher Herbert the the two that that own the com comforter that that live and reside in the apartment so when
00:45:00
when police search the apartment basically there's two things missing from the apartment Heather and this comforter
00:45:09
right her shoes are still there more importantly her medicine that she requires according to this article twice
00:45:16
a day to survive is there that's the scary thing for mom when she first hears about her
00:45:22
daughter missing amongst other things my daughter's Miss oh and she's she's without her medicine that she's required
00:45:29
to take that she needs so she becomes a endangered missing very quickly yes and then on top of that as we said police
00:45:36
are openly stating to the public on Saturday or I'm sorry on Friday this article comes out on Saturday but on
00:45:42
Friday morning so they're stating we suspect FL Foul Play We have evidence of Foul Play the eyewitness the potential
00:45:53
eyewitness unfortunately could not described the male other than tall and white I believe
00:46:02
was the very basic description that was given right this man who was walking his dog
00:46:10
at 2 A.M it it's dark it's what what's really kind of intriguing too here Captain about this situation is this is
00:46:17
not one of those large apartment complexes so many times when we're covering murder cases or missing persons
00:46:23
case and we're talking about apartment complexes we're talking about large ones where you may have 150 units or 60 units
00:46:29
and you you could have a 100 people or 200 people living in in a confined area this apartment complex only has a very
00:46:38
few units so we don't have a ton of people living here this neighbor out walking his dog is legally blind without
00:46:49
his required glasses and of course he's not wearing his glasses at 2 a.m. when he took the dog out for a walk yeah I
00:46:56
believe the police's statement was he's blind in one eye and he can't see out of
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the other the thing though is note the time that he says he says he's walking the dog at 2
00:47:07
a.m. and th this is one of the parts of the story where look I have a hard time believing some of Christopher's stories
00:47:18
obviously I have a hard time believing some of the statements that will come from Mike Mason right and I'm sure
00:47:27
everybody out there is also questioning Dana Madden what does she know or what did she suspect but part of the story
00:47:37
that that I have a hard time not believing is this guy out walking his dog even though he can't describe the
00:47:44
the child that he sees even though he can't describe the man that's carrying the child I kind of believe he probably
00:47:50
saw somebody carrying a child roughly Heather's age outside of that apartment carrying out of that apartment that
00:47:58
night at 2 am. absolutely absolutely I believe he saw something and it's hard to buy Christopher's story because like
00:48:06
you said what does he do not change the time he left and the time he returned well why would that be important because
00:48:13
if you know that we took the girl out of the house at 2 a.m. you need to make sure that your story lines up that you
00:48:20
weren't there at 2: a.m. right he needs to make sure that he's not there at 2: a.m. so just because that part of the
00:48:26
story never changes doesn't mean I believe any thing coming from this piece of shit's mouth at the time of The
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Disappearance in this article they are pointing out that Heather is 4et 10 in tall weighing 75 pounds she has medium
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brown hair and hazel eyes and police were asking anyone who knows of Heather's whereabouts or any of her
00:48:50
acquaintances so even if you don't know about her whereabouts uh please call call the Richmond Heights Police at 314
00:48:58
645 4413 because they're trying to sort out they they very quickly have a lot of
00:49:08
reasons to believe that either the person that took Heather the person responsible for
00:49:14
her disappearance knew her that the two knew each other or this person has a direct
00:49:22
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