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everybody gather round grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime all right we're back with part three of
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Brandon Swanson it's like we never left yeah some people cover this case in 10 minutes we covered in 10 hours
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10 episodes so going through these theories here Captain we talked about how thinking
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sideways said it's impossible for alien abduction you said No Time Warp no Sasquatch
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um there are people and I find this a little strange but it is something that you do have to consider anytime you have
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a missing person's case is that the individual chooses to be missing that they decide to walk away
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from their life yeah and we both agree in this case the fact that Brandon seemed to be lost at some point so he's
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calling for help from friends they don't answer so then he calls and gets a hold
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of his parents and he's asking for help basically right and we agree that he didn't walk away from his life based off
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of his actions leading up to his last known whereabouts right and there's also it would make zero sense to call Mom and
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Dad and then decide to walk away that same night yeah and on top of that there is no nothing of his past or anything
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that his family is pointing to that this is a possibility one of the more plausible theories and this kind of
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branches into a couple different options here is that Brandon perished in some type of accident somewhere out there in
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that night this Theory seems to be again one of the more likely ones although it's
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the problem here in this case will continue to be that they've not ever found Brandon they've never found any
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evidence of him clothing a jacket shoes anything of his glasses his phone anything like that but let's get into
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this Theory let's break it down right Brandon was disoriented and confused about where he was that is not a
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question he was 20 miles from where he thought he was we know he got his car stuck in a
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ditch we know he was frustrated based off of what his parents were saying he decided to abandon the vehicle he
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started started walking he took what he referred to as a more direct route across Fields Farmland
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off-road areas terrain he was not familiar with well not initially he was staying on the road initially and then
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he went off path correct he's walking along fences and he states to his father he can hear running water
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meanwhile what else do we know he it's very dark that night Brandon is blind in one eye his father heard him exclaim oh
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[ __ ] and then the phone on Brandon's side goes dead so what happened here well no it's let's
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be clear it doesn't go dead from our knowledge there's a disconnection the call drops is what I meant sorry about
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that uh and and you it's just words but you're right it we need to clear that up
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because there is a hot debate about if his phone went dead or if it was still active yes after
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he says oh [ __ ] the call ends on Brandon's end from here a lot of people say Brandon
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could have fallen or could have walked into something this would be the river a well a sinkhole or some
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other type of obstacle let's go through this because I think we can very quickly
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eliminate some of these possibilities and this is based off of information that has come out
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and it's pretty wild you know readily available [Music] the sinkhole theories have basically
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been debunked by Jeff Hassey remember he's the search manager that we spoke about who methodically and
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meticulously was searching for Brandon all these years he stated that the radius where he calculated that Brandon
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could have possibly walked from his car and this is even after the call went dead according to the blog that he
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maintained that we referenced yesterday the the site's details in the searches conducted for Brandon provide you know
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making these public he states that sinkholes form and karst or cave geology now he also says that the only
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karscheology in Minnesota is in the Southeastern part of the state the area where Brandon went missing is
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in the southwestern part of Minnesota basically he's saying he couldn't have fallen into a sinkhole because they're
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not there right the other thing he points out too regarding like Wells open Wells and things of that nature on
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Farmland he points out that the Farmland in this area of the country is extremely
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valuable and that all old Wells have been capped off or replaced per Minnesota law
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so the days of large Wells with buckets that people could fall into he's saying are long gone right they
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could be capped off and also in this area these farmers and these people who live in the area would hear about this
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kid going missing and they'd probably check their property for any um signs of Brandon yes he's stating
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that all the water sources on these industrial Farms were quote unquote high tech by 2008.
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now old cisterns could exist but again if they do the Searchers have never found one
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[Music] that could leave us with the river so we have a local woman who participated in the searches for Brandon
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she posted that the terrain out there is riddled with swamps bogs caves six foot
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tall grasslands wooded areas and ponds Cattails along the Riverbanks are eight feet tall
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at this time of year Brandon could have walked or fallen into you know the River or the swamps or the
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bogs at any point along this way his father says after Brandon says oh [ __ ] that he heard some
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type of what he describes as a slipping sound and we know that the scent dogs tracked Brandon to the actual River and
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then seemed to indicate that he got back out of the river so that this is goes into what you were talking about earlier
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Captain where you have to wonder is it possible that Brandon fall into the yellow Medicine River
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and did something happen to his phone that he that he even maybe he didn't drown in the river or maybe he did maybe
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he hit his head and drowned in the river but you also have this theory that maybe
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he he slipped into the river he gets out but his phone does not then the question is would his phone
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continue to ring for a few days even after submerged Jeff Hassey says yes this is a possibility that the the sound
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that the caller hears has nothing to do with the condition of the actual phone so this makes this a a very possible
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thing here right yeah and sometimes when you're trying to call somebody if you don't have great service your phone will
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ring multiple times before it actually tries to connect to them right right so the idea being here that maybe something
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happened to the phone here's here's the the thing that you really got to consider right
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if he did fall into the river even if he got out he very likely could be soaking wet then we he's staggering
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along the road until he decides to stop and rest somewhere maybe this is a hole a field or in the woods or an abandoned
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Barn he could have died of hypothermia temperatures dropped to 39 degrees that night we both agreed that he was wearing
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fairly warmth clothing for that evening the river was only 55 degrees could Brandon have succumbed to the cold
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especially if he was wet his body having not been found yet could be because it was either too obscured
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or has been scattered by animals plowed under and broken up by heavy farm equipment
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we have to remember that Searchers were not able to access all of the Farmland in the area
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some of which were covered thickly with high tight crops there's some interesting things that Jeff Hassey
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States in his information that he's made public when he's talking about you know
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we reference how many dogs they used in the search for Brandon over the years the problem is at certain times of the
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years the the crops are at different heights and he says that the height of crops can make it extremely difficult if
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not impossible for a dog to find the scent right and it's just hard to search in general when you have obstacles like
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that you see that in a case like the Long Island serial killer case Jeff Hassey also states that this region
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receives nearly constant winds which can come from any direction these winds move
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sent from the source and deposit it into what he refers to as scent pools this can throw off the cadaver dogs meaning
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they they won't be able to settle on an exact location of the remains the other possibility to
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that he points out is that the remains may have been scattered over a wide area and this could be by Predators you know
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such as animals or that they were moved by human activity such as Farmers tilling their
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fields or bailing hay or corn stalks something like that then again we also have these access
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issues they've not been able to search everywhere that they would like to search
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they have been very careful to protect landowners property over the years generally avoiding searching Fields with
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crops in them even though he States there's a very likely chance that Brandon ended up in a field right he
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states that this yeah this only leaves spring and fall available for them to search
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[Music] and then we have the difficulty of how much land there is to search remember he
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pointed out that you're prioritizing 98.5 square miles yeah he says yeah he says to effectively
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search a single 160 acre field a team a whole team of people must walk in excess
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of 10 miles and what he says is difficult footing along these same lines here Captain he
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points out that not all of the private and along these same lines here Captain Jeff
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points out that not all of these private land owners have agreed to searches because
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let's say Brandon attempted to seek Shelter From the wind or from the cold right at some point along his journey
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maybe he crawls into an out building or under some old machinery and then passes
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there he says that they've not searched all of the farmsteads in fact they've only
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searched very few of the farmsteads in the area well you said there was that radius that
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they had to search and there's a what was the percentage like they've only been able to search about 60 60 of the
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area that they've prioritized yes well and to go back to the cadaver dogs too if you have like a a small pond of water
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but it has a drains into something that the cadaver dogs normally do not hit inside the pond like the body could be
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in the middle of the pond the cadaver dogs normally hit where the water is draining because that's where
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the SAT is um more dominant he also points out the conditions in Minnesota at that time of year and by
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his all of his knowledge and all of his experience it's his opinion that a body could
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become fully skeletonized within a week so that's very quick out there even calculating that Brandon's body was
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likely fully disarticulated by mid-july of 2008 and he says this would be very likely at the latest one of the things
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that makes this case so much more fascinating is like you've been talking about is the documentation of the search
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yeah it really changes everything with as far as like the Brandon Lawson case or or like even like Mara Murray like we
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don't have um as detailed records of the searches that happen and and in those cases right
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and so what is fascinating here in really educating at the same time is all the information about the searches
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throughout the years detailed information where we have a complete understanding of
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look so many so many shows and so many news articles and so many website forums and message boards they keep coming back
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to the idea that something weird had to have happened because they've not found Brandon right the problem here is we
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have the the search manager the guy in charge and his team that is very publicly stating we had this huge area
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to search we went over the difficulties of the search or what could have happened
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throughout the the years wherever Brandon may be that adds to the difficulty level of the search
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and yet we have them saying there's still almost 40 percent of the prioritized area that we have not been
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able to get to yeah which is sad because this is somebody's child this is people's friends you know
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and I understand why some of the places haven't been searched but it's kind of sad yes I mean there's
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there's a multitude of reasons why certain areas have not been searched and some of it is just happenstance some of
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it is just the lay of the land itself what do we think happened here Captain we we could spin our tires all day long
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on the possibilities and the searches and what has taken place over the course of 11 years or almost you know 11 years
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now what do we think happened well well let's take a quick beer break so we can gather our thoughts and gather some
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beers [Music] all right got that king of beer king of beer Kings that was king of beers
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sorry what did I say I don't know uh I'm looking at my notes and trying to talk at the same time I'm doing the same
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thing I'm moving some things around would you like to go first my friend yeah I can I think um
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to me it's where does the evidence take us I think one with this search we we will find
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you know with a the abandoned car we're gonna find him within this area I think where the the initial scent dogs hit
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into the river that's the yellow Medicine River correct um where they hit there and then came
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out of the river I think they should have just probably stayed in the river um that's what my what my gut is telling
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me is that oh [ __ ] again when he was talking to his father he's saying well I'm along this fence line I can hear
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water and then boom oh [ __ ] um we have no signs of Foul Play but that does not mean that further down
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the line you know uh if the scent dogs just stop that further down the line there wouldn't be maybe something but
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we have had no reports of that so I think where the car was with possibly being tired I think with
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um possibly being you know let's say buzzed I think there's some evidence that he
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you know had a few drinks he was frustrated he was tired he was walking uh he was trying to get help he was
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definitely lost or not in the area that he thought he was I think that area is very easy to be confused and I think
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you're going to dive into that more but I think like I said the dogs take us to that area I think his conversation
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with his father on the phone points to being in that area and to be be around that that River we have not found his
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body now I think that is a leap like you said maybe 60 of this area has been searched 40 hasn't so could you find his
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body somewhere else yes and I understand that they also searched this River I think it'd be a lot harder to find his
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body in water in general so I I I just think that kind of leads to it and I know like I said I know
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that's a leap to say well we haven't found his body on land so therefore it puts him into water
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but I think there's other like I said those other pieces of evidence kind of points Us in the
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direction that there could have been an accident that happened uh along that that water line
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[Music] I want to address a few different things that I think are confusing this whole situation from all
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of the armchair detectives all the people on the outside looking in I think first I want to address the
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issue of I'm not totally discrediting or discounting the possibility of Foul Play
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but what I do want to discredit is the thought that because his name is on vicap
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means that he met with Foul Play and people keep going back to that well law enforcement must know something that
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we don't know because they put him on vicap that that is a possibility that they
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know something that we don't it's definitely a possibility but looking into that specific situation
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what I gathered from the database is that VI cap was alerted of Brandon Swanson's situation on March 5th of 2010
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and then it was released to the public as being part of the vi cap database on April 7th of 2010. now remember what we
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reported earlier that back in March of 2010 the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal apprehension became the lead
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investigating Agency on the case new eyes looking at a Cold Case what I'm getting to here Captain is it's
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my thought that the reason that Brandon is on vicap is not because there is evidence of Foul Play or that he was met
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with violence it's simply because a new agency took over his case and decided to
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ask it to be applied to vicap as something that it can't hurt to put him on the database right the only thing
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that could hurt is the rumor mill I also want to address the issue of him being disoriented or you know why he
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got lost that whole situation first of all I question one how well he would have known any of
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these areas outside of Route 68 and Route 23. I I seriously question that first of all how experienced of a driver
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is he he's only 19 years old and we have some stories that may indicate that he might have even lost his license at one
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point and then people point out that well he traveled this route for a full school
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year to and from Marshall and Camby where his school was I take I take a little issue with that
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too because the typical school year at this school is late August to mid-may it's not really a full year one and they
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take about a month-long break in the middle of the winter so it's not a full year first of all and
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then second of all why would he know the areas off of Route 68. Route 68 takes him to and from
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school so I really question how well he knew this area then on top of that we have some
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confusion confusing things going on regarding the lay of the land so anybody that has seen this area on a map will
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know that the the streets and the roads the country roads out there are laid out
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basically like a square grid yeah I believe there's a simple version of this map on Wikipedia yeah I would I
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would encourage anybody to look up that simple version of the map and then use your own map app to really zoom in on
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some areas and go through that trail that we discussed in detail regarding the dogs movements when they were
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following or believed to be following Brandon's movements now what you will see here is
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regarding this map okay so picture a square if you're not looking at it picture Square
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Route 68 runs diagonally from the northwest corner of that square to the south east corner of that square
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above Route 68 and Below Route 68 you have Country Roads that are laid out in a grid
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now north of 68 we have street names and Avenue names such as they're all kind of numbers
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there are some that are named but the overwhelming majority of them are just numbers meaning like
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360th Street 280th Avenue 110th Street 150th Avenue so on and so forth you get what I'm talking about
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now north of route 68. all of the numbered roads if they're going east to west they are an Avenue if they're going
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north to south or south to North they are streets if you get south of 68 it flip-flops
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where all of the numbered country roads going north to south are Avenues and east to west are streets what I'm
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getting at here is you would only have to take one wrong turn to end up going the wrong way if you
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let's say you are somewhat familiar with the area and you are aware that oh Avenues run east to west Streets Run
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north to south even though I'm lost I'm going to use that information to guide me back to where I think I need to get
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to well if you make one wrong turn basically take that whole Square map that I just described and turn it on its
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side because now the streets are going east to west and the Avenues are going north to south
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it's a very tricky area so I completely understand why somebody anyone regardless of their
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situation how much they've had to drink how little they've had to drink what they've ingested or not
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would get turned around and Confused in this situation and again as we pointed out there are indicators to him that he
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is right in his statement where he sees I gotta go across a major road there is a river that runs into that town I must
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be where I think I am right in the simple fact of the matter is the people that say well he knew this area well he
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didn't because where he told his family he was he was not and that's all the proof that you need that he didn't know
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where he was at maybe he does know that area well but that night um no he didn't know where he was at the
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other thing too that I think gets in the way of really sorting through all of this is the oh [ __ ] moment right so this
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this case oddly enough made me think back to my childhood okay I'm a child of the 90s
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and what I'm talking about here Captain is the song the things that make you go hmm by CNC Music Factory this was a 1990
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release things that make you go what hmm don't bother looking up the song it's as
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bad as you expect it to be okay now look this case of course this is a tragic case here of this young man
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but it's truly a big question mark and why so many people are fascinated by this case is that it's a big question
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mark now if you look at the lyrics for that song the things that make you go hmm the lyrics in that song is listing
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out very simply the things that make you go hmm now there are a lot of questions
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in this case but what I was really looking at regarding the phone call he says oh [ __ ] and then the phone call
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ends I was really thinking to myself what are the things that would make me go oh [ __ ]
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right and so we're going to put ourselves in Brandon's shoes here so to speak now that could have been any number of
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things it could have been some type of accident he could have hurt himself you know people people say a car stepped
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in a pile of [ __ ] right whatever but the the problem is the call ends after this
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takes place so you can't you can't just look at this and go oh what would make me say oh [ __ ]
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what would make me say oh [ __ ] and then the phone and the phone call ends you have to put those two things together
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because that's what took place now of course it could have been some type of accident he could have fallen
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into the river the river kills his phone but the other thing just as simple could
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be his phone is going to die right the phone is losing its charge it has no battery life left his phone according to
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what you can the specs that you can find online has 400 minutes of call time of talk time
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we know that this one phone call the last phone call took up 47 minutes of talk time that's 1 8 of the whole
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battery life right there now on top of that that wasn't a good phone on top of that he's had multiple calls
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with Mom and Dad before this last one he's also gone to two parties that night I mean this phone is basically a rock
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with an antenna he left his home by all accounts around 6 p.m that night so he's been gone it's
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now three in the morning he's been gone like nine hours so what I'm getting at here is car
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charger though that's very possible but what I'm getting at here is it's very likely that he could have been talking
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and talking and talking pulled the phone away looked at the screen and went oh [ __ ] or got some kind of notification
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that he heard on his end but his father didn't hear and goes oh [ __ ] and then the phone goes dead simply because the
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battery life ran out the thing here is that doesn't get us any closer to what happened to Brandon
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but what I'm getting at is what I think is is so polarizing about that case this
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case is that phone call where I think it's just kind of confusing and it's really clouding the whole situation
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the phone call and him saying oh [ __ ] May mean nothing at all could be something super small something as
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simple as his phone dying and then whatever took place took place after he no longer had the use of his phone I do
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think that there's some type of accident that took place out there that led to his demise that he probably did succumb
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to the elements at some point that evening and I think it's very likely that he is
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somewhere in that area that they've been unable to search for any number of reasons that's 40 of the area
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I think that's I think that's what what happened here I think everything that the people that are closest to this case
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are saying is probably exactly what happened he wasn't that messed up he just he got disoriented because the area
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itself is confusing yeah it's late at night it's not well marked it would be confusing for anybody
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traveling in that area right he tried to turn around because he knew how to go an
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extra mile or two to get to the next intersection and he was frustrated and upset that he wasn't home already and he
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just wanted to turn around as quickly as possible and he ran into the bad luck of
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getting his car hung up in the ditch and then he ran into further bad luck of having indicators pointing out to him
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that he may in fact be where he thinks he is I think this is just one of those tragic
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cases and unfortunately I've heard statements from his mother and from his sister that are just
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heartbreaking where his mother says I'm kind of come to the conclusion that we won't find Brandon in my lifetime
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and then his sister adds to that by going I'm starting to think we won't find him in my lifetime yeah and because
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even if you take like I said my theory I lean more towards the idea that he ended
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up in that River well we know what what the water can do to bodies and and speed
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up the composition you know decomposition of the body not to mention the weather out there being a little
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more extreme and and Colder Weather and then and then also if you're right that he is
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somewhere in this 40 percent that they haven't been able to search like you talked about yeah farm equipment you
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have you know a lot of this Machinery that's going to be coming through you have animals you you have the the
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weather uh you have all these things stacked up against you to actually find his remains
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right and I the thing I want to point out here too Captain is look I'm sure there's a lot of us out
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there listening to this and going well whatever happened to Brandon would never happen to me I have GPS on my phone I
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have a much different phone than what Brandon had to carry back in 2008 let's let's be smarter than that let's
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take this a step further put some things in your vehicle put some safety precautions in your vehicle
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flashlights yeah and he might have had some he may he may have but it was a young kid this I think this is just a
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this was a friendly reminder to me or an unfriendly reminder however you want to
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look at it a reminder to me that it's a good idea to have things like a flashlight first aid kit flares
00:34:49
however far you want to take this thing blankets some people put bottles of water in their vehicle this can happen
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to any of us and if you're better prepared you might have a different outcome yeah and even though I I really think my
00:35:06
my gut feeling is correct and then even if it's not correct then I'd lean more towards the idea okay well maybe he made
00:35:14
it out of the water and now uh we just haven't found him in that that 40 that hasn't been searched
00:35:22
I I can go with that that one of the things that really makes me Ponder this case more
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is the vehicles left and both doors are open that doesn't make a lot of sense to me
00:35:37
it seems one super strange to me and a bit creepy and scary at the same time that's the only indicator throughout
00:35:46
this whole story that whatever Brandon was telling his father and his mother that something totally different could
00:35:52
have been going on that's the only indicator to me one one way that I've tried to apply some just
00:36:00
very basic logic to why the the car doors would be open obviously if somebody came along and tried to wanted
00:36:07
to steal something or look for something of value in the car that's an obvious thing right but I also wondered if look
00:36:14
they were trying to use lights earlier in in this whole thing as a way of finding one another by flashing the
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lights part of me wonders if Brandon look we know he was a smart guy there's nobody
00:36:28
disputing that I wonder if while he's troubleshoot shooting his problem here if he thought you know what I'm going to
00:36:35
head off on foot walking Northwest towards this town yes I'm going to meet my father there but he's still under the
00:36:42
belief at that time that he is in the area of where his father is searching right so is it possible that he thought
00:36:50
I'll take this a step further and leave the car door open or doors open this leaving on the light inside of the car
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that my father might see so if he doesn't find me at least he finds the car and I can we can use that as a land
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marker to meet up so I I kind of thought that the only thing that that makes that punches a
00:37:14
hole in that thought in theory is that you think this might have been discussed between Brandon and his father and it
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wasn't as far as we know yeah it see that detail to me seems like something that's going to keep this Mister around
00:37:28
for a while right and his father and mother not only led the search that night and really pushed to get law
00:37:36
enforcement involved as quickly as possible but they've continued to lead the search for all these years yeah and
00:37:44
all missing children cases are difficult I think there's an element of the fact that you both were get getting up that
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night to go help him makes it even more difficult well and I hope and pray that his mother and sister are wrong
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in their thought and their belief that they've kind of come to the idea that they may never know what happened to
00:38:07
Brandon in throughout their the course of their lifetime I hope that they're wrong with that the
00:38:13
the family this has got to be haunting for them and they've already kind of come to the idea and somewhat accepted
00:38:22
the idea that Brandon's very likely no longer with us but to have some answers would would be
00:38:30
very big for them in this situation now there is a thing today called Brandon's law and this is because of
00:38:39
Brandon's parents Annette and Brian Swanson are responsible for the enactment of
00:38:46
Brandon's law which became effective in Minnesota on July 1st 2009 this law requires Minnesota police to begin an
00:38:56
immediate search for missing adults under 21 as well as older adults who are missing under suspicious circumstances
00:39:05
and Brandon's situation certainly falls into that regardless of what theory you favor or believe the Swansons have kept
00:39:15
the porch light on for their son they have burned through many light bulbs in the 11 years he has been missing
00:39:21
Brian Swanson has acknowledged that the family likely won't find Brandon alive but they still want to find him there
00:39:29
has never been a memorial service for Brandon Brandon's sister is now married and Brandon now has two nephews which he
00:39:37
has never met the Swansons want to know what happened to their son they say quote you know people don't
00:39:44
just vanish Into Thin Air but it sure seems like he did [Music] all right Captain before we wrap things
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up this week how about a little recommended reading we have one from our good friend good friend of the show
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Billy Jensen his new book called Chase Darkness with me Captain you and I hung out with Billy at crime con and he was
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kind enough to send a couple of copies of Chase Darkness with me to the garage we can't wait to read it that's by Billy
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Jensen you don't have to write that title down though because you can go to truecrimegarage.com click on the
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recommended page and we will have that title there for you along with other recommendations yeah and I think he owed
00:40:31
us the book because he thought that uh Bob Ruff was gonna out drink me but uh but like we know like everybody knows
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Bob Ruff said good night therefore disqualifying himself and making me the winner of the drinking contest at crime
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con so thank you Billy and thank you Bob for quitting on the drinking contest that's right all
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right until next week everybody out there be good be kind and don't let him [Music]
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[Applause] thank you [Music]