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[Music] this is true crime garage and this is the case of the Aurora Theater [Music]
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shooter 315 and 314 for a shooting at Century theaters 14 300 East Alam Avenue they're
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saying somebody shooting in the auditorium 315 and 314 there is at least one person that's been shot but they're
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saying there's hundreds of people just running around 36 I think somebody sprayed some gas
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over here too 316 I need a rescue in here hot too I got a guy shot and inside of theater
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9 just outside of theater 9 we got another person outside shot in the leg of female I got people running
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out of the theater there shot in room 8 we also have another victim on the north
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side of the theater at the park lot I'm being told that he's in theater 9 from what I'm smelling inside I can it sounds
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like it's OC maybe too get us some damn gas masks for theater 9 we can't get in it 14 we have
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a party in the car shot plate uh 240 John I had Kia white Kia I'll copy there's another victim the
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white Kia where's that vehicle at 16 Adam I need a marked car behind the theater stable side got suspect in a gas
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mask hold the air 1 second cars with that white car in the rear of the lot is that a
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suspect yes we' got rifles gas masks he's the change right now I've got an Open Door going into the
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theater [Music] okay hold that position hold your suspect 16 I got seven down in Beater KN
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seven down work we 2 to everybody on this it's an assault rifle we have we have a
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magazines down inside sobody watch out for the assault rifle all right for the guy still in cer9 I'm working on a
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backboard right now for that female okay uh suspect is going to be male unknown race black camo type outfit I believe to
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be wearing a vest gas mask and multiple long [Music] guns [Music] [Music] this evening we are discussing the
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terrible and tragic event that took place in Colorado July 20th 201 12 and absolutely one of the most senseless
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acts that I have ever heard of this of course being the Aurora Theater mass shooting that was committed by James
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Holmes now James Holmes was born December 13 1987 in San Diego County California his parents are Robert and
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arleene Holmes yeah and Robert was a mathematician scientist he had multiple degrees Stanford UCLA uh UC Berkeley and
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his mom was was a registered nurse big shout out to the nurses he also has a younger sister named Chris um and then
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it's around these Middle School years of his early life that we start to see some
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some possible issues with James Holmes yeah these are claims that are being made and again I don't know if some of
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this information was stuff that actually happened or was it claims after the mass
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shooting mhm so uh they talk a lot about how he started suffering some mental health issues around middle school he
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talks about the nail ghost MH so he he basically would say that he would see these like ghost or Shadow sh shadowy
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figures that were hitting or hammering on the wall and at times they appeared to be fighting one another from from
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what I had read yeah yeah it talks about Shadows kind of seeing shadow figures and also seeing kind of like flickers
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out of the side of his eyes and he has told he has told us that uh at this this is 11 around the well he didn't tell us
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but he's he I think he his lawyer claims that he uh made a suicide attempt at the
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age of 11 I haven't seen anywhere on record that his parents talk about this but they don't do a lot of interviews so
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maybe later on like when you see like uh with the Coline case the mom took a long
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time before she actually wrote a book about it so maybe that will come out later with one of his parents writing a
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book and maybe would have some more sight to his childhood and and what went wrong uh to have this happen and after
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the events on July 20th 2012 you know they've gone back and they've they've interviewed people that may have known
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James Holmes that may have gone to school with him at an early age elementary school middle school age and
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they the um you know their reports are a bit scattered in my opinion you know there are some people
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that basically say well he was somebody that was unnoticeable he was heet didn't know who he there people
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there he either bullied or may have been somewhat of a bully himself but it seems
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like the majority of the claims are that he was kind of a forgett forgettable personality that he wasn't didn't stand
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out in the crowd yeah he was definitely a smart kid um once he gets into high school he he plays soccer he runs cross
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country again playing soccer in high school how good was he did he start did he sit
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the bench I mean who who knows how much uh effect this really has on his life he
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seems very into uh his academics U which extremely extremely into the academics which will lead him to the college um
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University of California and which he'll get um his bachelor's in Neuroscience he graduates
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in the top 1% of his class mhm uh and then he goes on to the University of Colorado which he is going to get his
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PhD yeah yeah he's seeking a PhD from the University of Colorado he enrolls in that program uh in 2011 yeah and before
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he actually goes to college uh I believe this is the case you can I've only seen
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clips on YouTube I think there's the full presentation uh he basically does like
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this internship uh kind of a science summer camp type thing and they film all the
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Pres presentations and so you can see before going into college I mean he's very well spoken better you know better
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spoken than we are uh and very intelligent that's a large group very intelligent for uh you know somebody
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that just graduated high school yeah um and and he's he's also talking about some fascinating stuff uh you know
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basically he had to program uh a computer program learn how to do all the code with flash and everything but
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basically you know because of this science that we know that he could create this code that would create these
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games that would create an illusion in your brain which is pretty fascinating for somebody that's not even in college
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but like we said so now he's at the University of Colorado and he lives in a one-bedroom apartment with uh it's
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basically a complex but the complex is for health study nor you know so he's studying Neuroscience so he's around
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other people that phds what what are they studying I'm not really for sure it's for students but but you're saying
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probably a more specific type of student yeah cuz a lot of times what they do it
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you know with PhD students is they're going to put you in housing so you're not around a bunch of freshmen you know
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they try to you know with the campus housing they like to try to keep the ages similar you know the the areas of
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study similar it just kind of helps uh you know the social environment and because he had already graduated UC
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Riverside obviously he's older than than the you know the general students where
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the thing is too he is I mean I don't know to say that he's a good student is is conveying enough of what he actually
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was I mean there are college professors that that have said he's extremely well researched like he he he loves to
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research and he has a great ability to um be able to present the research to a crowd and to anybody that is willing to
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listen yeah I mean in his presentation and like I said that's pre-ol that's pre- bachelor's degree uh well spoken
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and he seemed not to be super nervous but you could tell there was probably some uh social you know ineptness to him
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which is you know I I don't know what to make of that I mean again it's a presentation right out of high school
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School how much confidence do you have going into college I'm not really for sure well and we kind of got to dive
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into his college life a little bit because this is all things leading up obviously to the the major event there
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but uh you know when you talk about things like schizophrenia you know there are a lot of people that schizophrenia
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yeah there's a lot of people that will they'll say that that will start to uh accelerate in in the late early late 20s
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early 20s um no early late teens early 20s thank you that's what I meant but and the other thing that we're seeing
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now is that he is out he's out on his own he's in a different city he's he's all out on his own and he's out with
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people that he may not know so there's a bit of isolation that has come with this
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new portion of his life now and the studies here are going to be harder I mean before he's just an undergraduate
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now it's time for his graduate degree uh there's some weird stuff with his uh digital footprint you know one that
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would leave you know he has a University email he has a MySpace account that was
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that's before Facebook yeah um match.com he's they found some well let me lead up
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to that real quick okay so at his college life once he's at Colorado he he's going to class he's participating
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and he seems to be doing well academically for the most part but he is pretty much a bit of a loner once he
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gets there we said that this may have this transition in his life may have created some form of olation for him
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yeah he probably was always somewhat isolated he's not making a lot of friends he goes out here and there and
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there's at least one bar that he was known to have gone to several times maybe even frequently but he doesn't
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really buddy up with anyone there at school or at the bar as well uh on occasion it is rumored that he would go
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to a brothel uh this is something that seemed to be something that he may have done at least a number of times uh and
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it was later reported that this is activity that would cost him $240 cash and that he would typically keep this
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amount of money on him most of the time particularly in $20 bills he did try as you were saying with his digital
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footprint he did try a couple of times to maybe reach out let's call it that um in April of
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2012 he is on match.com uh eventually you know his profile would end up with the headline
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will you visit me and prison and his picture shows him um now with the uh Infamous dyed orange hair that that we
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associate with James Holmes yeah uh what else uh you know what else do you do when you're having trouble socially or
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maybe you need to find a friend well of course you can go to adultfriendfinder.com uh so James is
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friend finding on this site going by the name of classic Jimbo and his profile on
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there reads that yeah 6ot tall he's has an athletic build and he's single he's looking for a woman or couples a man and
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a woman groups or couples two women uh for erotic chat or email discreet relationship one-on-one sex or group sex
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and a the adultfriendfinder.com clarifies group sex as three or more people so thank you to them because I
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don't know that anybody describes sex between two people as group sex MH uh under under trait's habits and personal
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preferences like smoking he answers things like he prefers not to say drinking he says he's a light to social
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Drinker if you've listened to the show long enough you know that I would be listed as a heavy garage Drinker uh not
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sure that that's even like an option on the site he drinks a lot of garages yeah
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and then uh for drugs uh if he's a drug user again he prefers not to say uh for male endowment well he says he's short
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to average he might maybe recommendation he probably should have lied there where
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is the show going and he also says that he's a circumcised speaker of English so
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I don't know I don't know what other things you can list on that site but maybe Hobbies or or whatnot but this is
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a general idea of his profile and you can find uh pictures of that profile online yeah there's also pictures of
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like the match.com stuff where it's uh not as weird and maybe you don't want to put that on a podcast
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um like The Adult FriendFinder stuff I'm sorry but if if you if they post a profile somebody online I come across it
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I have to read it it's F yeah I mean he also claims match.com that he's 5'11 so maybe he's trying to be more honest
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there he says he's not a smoker but he's a drinker on match.com MH um so and the
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other weird thing too is that they found I mean you might not you know people might be listening going I don't know if
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I buy the prostitution thing they found several times where he left reviews if they had like an online Forum yeah uh
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James Hol would go and uh James Holmes would go leave reviews for these prostitutes I I found a couple of what I
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consider um very reliable sources that that they were pretty adamant that that he was doing the brothel thing or The
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Prostitute thing well he wasn't a complete loner psychopath uh he was dating somebody in
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in October of uh 2011 2011 gari daada is what we'll say cuz that's it's I've looked at this on paper unless you wrote
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it down completely wrong who knows what that that name is he dated her for about
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two months right yeah about two months and then it ended I guess there was this something on uh St Patrick's Day where
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there's altercation uh with they're out having a date she is talked to by another male
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then he uh James has an altercation with this guy not fist fight or anything but
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he has a conversation and after that he kind of became more distant yeah and I and I I kind of misspoke there I said
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two months but it but from what I've read it sounded like there was a bit of an on and off type of relationship
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because they started this relationship in late 2011 and at some point it would continue in the early part of 2012 Yeah
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so basically and that ends up with the the experience of the St Patrick's Day situation where some guy says something
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to gargie or whatever her name is excuse me um but uh and this becomes a big he he gets pretty weird about this
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situation and this causes her to to not really want to be involved with with James that much yeah and she would talk
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about how he just would have some weird jokes you know he'd say some things that
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just maybe just didn't you know a social awkwardness to him which would make people feel uncomfortable and we all
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have friends like that um but he every now and then would make kind of jokes to you know kind of uh expressing his
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desire to kill somebody and that's where it was kind of like well this is a little strange and she me mentioned to
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him multiple times cuz you know as we talk about him being such a good student well that was not the case you know once
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he gets to school so he was a good student he graduated top 1% in his class but now he he's having some difficulties
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MH and anybody that has been to college before or been has been to a college that wasn't a good fit there's some
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stuff happening mentally you're now in a school where you seem to know nobody so
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the loneliness Factor Creeps in and then you have to deal with you know tough classes and if your motivation you know
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let's say you are a musician for example but you're going to study English well the passion might not be there because
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the mo motivation and your motivation can constantly change so he was having some issues with you know school life
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this new school life but you know he had this girlfriend and and and she expressed to him well with your issues
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with school and with you know some of this uh social awkwardness maybe you should see uh professional help now
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again this is all reported after the shooting so is that what actually took place or is this just what you're
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telling people after the shooting and some of the things that she talks about that he was saying or that he would say
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in group settings or to her uh I'm just going to go ahead and cl I'm going to title these as um I'm going to call
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these homicidal jokes they almost sound like uh off color you know bad taste uh homicidal type sounding jokes um and I
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think what you're seeing here is maybe there maybe we have somebody that has an issue connecting with with others and
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maybe the only way that he knows how to bridge that Gap is with some kind of shock Factor you know by getting
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attention with some kind of shocking statement um but you're right she does say you know at the time I didn't really
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take some of these things that he said seriously however I did recommend to him maybe you should you should consider
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talking to somebody a professional well and if you get a chance if you really dive into this case and you want to look
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at the presentation he gave now I understand it's a presentation but they ask him like you know what you know what
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are some goals in your life as they uce him to make his speech and one of the things he says is one of his lifelong
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goals is to own a slurpie machine now again this is four years prior it's kind of a funny joke you know kind of an odd
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thing to bring up uh and gets a bunch of laughs from the audience and and then he's he smiles he seems like a normal
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person again what has happened to him what what is happening to him mentally we don't we won't know nobody can know
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that it's just inside his brain and then how much of of the stress from the school and these social awkward moments
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is playing into the decisions that he's going to make in the spring of 2012 he does start to receive some he starts
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taking therapy sessions and this is with a psychiatrist by the name of Lynn Fenton um
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now here's some here's some other things okay so we have July 7th all right this
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is just a month and a half before the event James Holmes he fails an oral exam several oral exams and this is very
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unlike just like we had said earlier he had been considered by teachers and other students to be a good researcher
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and a good presenter of research and his work was very thorough um this presents
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some areas of discussion uh in in much later discussion and June 10 on June 10th James Holmes he file files
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paperwork to withdraw from the Neuroscience program and does not say why he wishes to do so yeah the
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following day he meets with his psychiatrist again this is uh Dr Fenton and um he is breaking off the
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relationship with her and she goes on to tell campus police officers that Holmes
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has made several homicidal statements and he had sent her threatening text messages the campus police asked Fenton
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if they should put homes on a on a 72-hour psychiatric hold this is obviously for his personal safety and
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for the safety of others as well uh Dr Fenton says that this will not be necessary so again we are see and I
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think in this process too they they revoke his uh student ID which I think goes to a lot of like food courts and so
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and probably a access to different uh parts of the school are taken away by by revoking or shutting off his student ID
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MH and because of his area of study he actually had access to buildings and rooms that that students of the general
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population would not have access to um again Fenton decides against this 72-hour hold this is this psychiatric
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holds a pretty common thing I didn't realize this but in the state of Colorado they estimate that about 2,000
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they do about 2,000 of or more of these holds a year um so a little more common than I had thought uh but again we are
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seeing some signs of something possibly something going on here some kind of maybe a possible possible mental break
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of sorts but we're also seeing some signs of premeditation to the the massacre or a violent event that that
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we're leading up to here uh way back in May in the early parts of May 2012 uh this and leading up to just days
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before the attack James Holmes is stockpiling weapons and ammo uh and may he orders two tear gas canisters online
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and over the next few weeks he also buys two hand guns a shotgun an assault rifle
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and 6,295 rounds of ammunition and body armor handcuffs Road Stars these are meant to puncture tires a 100 round drum
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magazine and a laser site uh several laser sites I'm sorry as well as additional explosive materials uh he
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buys some of these at gun stores like uh his local Gander Mountain and Bass Pro Shop so he's buying some of these face
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to-face situations in person and they're all legal mhm these are legal purchases
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exactly and then he is purchasing some of these items online from several retailers but one of them being uh bulk
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ammo.com now weeks leading up to the attack we see James Holmes he is actually going to the movie theater this
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is the Aurora Century Theater 16 and using his phone his cell phone he is taking photos of the theater in the
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layout uh this being the hallways and entrances and whatnot uh getting kind of cataloging the lay of the land let's say
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uh but one photo in particular is he's he's taking a photo of the door latch uh this is one of the exit doors you know
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how the in a in a movie theater you have you walk in to the theater and then you
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find your seat but down sometimes down by the screen they have doors that will exit out into the parking lot right well
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this he's has taken photos of the latch and of this door these are the events that lead us up to the actual event and
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00:32:25
brings us to the point of the day of the event now what's taking place here is there's going to be a movie premiere
00:32:33
this is one of those midnight showings when a movie first comes out and this is the movie of The Dark Knight Rises which
00:32:41
we don't have to be uh I don't know how much we have to go into this most people
00:32:45
should know about this The Dark Knight Rises grossed over a billion dollars at the box office
00:32:51
worldwide and it was the third movie in the Batman Trilogy yeah and so so this is the character played by Christian
00:32:59
Bale the Batman character this had Tom Hardy in it a lot of people felt like this was the best I'm doing a little
00:33:06
Batman movie talk real quick okay um a lot of people thought this was the best film of 2012 it's the 16th highest
00:33:15
grossing movie of all time actually that's what it said on Wikipedia it's actually 17th right now okay so it
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dropped a spot it was the third highest grossing movie of 2012 the fourth highest grossing superhero movie of all
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time now just a little trivia I'm just going to throw this at you what are the top three grossing movies of all time
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top three grossing movies of all time not not superhero to be superher movies Titanic Titanic is number two okay
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number one is Avatar and number three is Star Wars the Force awakens oh uh anyways these were my favorite Batman
00:33:56
movies out of all of them I liked Michael Keaton um but Christian Bale's character I just thought uh and the
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third one I didn't see this in theaters but when I saw this I remember the the movie was over and I
00:34:12
thought there was no way I'm going to like a Batman movie more than the one with Heath Ledger right there's no way
00:34:19
this one I might actually like it better I mean just it has a couple twists and turns anyways that is the movie that is
00:34:27
premiering um it's the midnight showing it's going to be happening at July 20th mhm and and this is a big deal I mean
00:34:36
this is sold out and and if anybody's been to a sold out showing before I mean normally when you go to movie theater
00:34:43
it's what 1/4 full or maybe even half full at the most but this is a big event where people are now going to you know
00:34:51
kind of fight to figure out which where they're going to sit yeah and they were actually actually 420 people watching
00:34:59
the midnight showing of the Batman movie The Dark Knight Rises yeah not not in this theater there was actually multiple
00:35:06
theaters that were showing The Dark Knight Rises but it was a big event for theaters all over the United States for
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that night yeah uh I believe it actually opened up the night before in New York uh and then it opened up like four maybe
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four days before in New York yeah and then then it opened up uh Nationwide and worldwide that day as well so John
00:35:27
Holmes he has already previously purchased a ticket and he purchased this ticket not John Holmes oh sorry j James
00:35:33
Holmes sorry different bad guy yeah uh so James Holmes he purchased his ticket uh well in advance days in advance
00:35:41
actually and he shows up to see this midnight premiere of the Batman movie and shortly into the movie this is all a
00:35:49
plan that he has put together well in advance and he's geared himself up for this attack uh to these these innocent
00:35:57
people that have no idea what they're about to witness I don't think it was James's
00:36:04
plan to um actually watch the movie no all it was just where I'm going to this event um yeah so he basically stands up
00:36:14
or they see a lot of eyewitness accounts is that somebody stands up and on their
00:36:19
phone almost like they're going to take a phone call and they go to this emergency exit they kind of prop the
00:36:24
door open which is odd because normally one of the eyewitnesses said if somebody
00:36:30
was going to take a phone call you would assume that they'd go out to the lobby mhm you normally you don't normally see
00:36:36
anybody mess with the exit doors right yeah yeah and yeah this is interesting because he stands up and then he goes
00:36:44
out the these are the doors that we were talking about ear earlier he goes out the door that's up by the screen now
00:36:50
he's previously parked his vehicle he's got a white Hyundai hatchback that he parked is that a Hyundai or is it a Kia
00:36:58
I think you hear in the um in the police call that they're talking about a Kia I
00:37:04
don't know that they're talking about they may be talking about a victim there or maybe they have just misspoken and
00:37:09
thought that it was a Kia but um it's a Hyundai white hatchback and he goes out to his vehicle to retrieve his weapons
00:37:18
and his body armor as well as a gas mask and two canisters of tear gas yeah and he said that he in his court in his
00:37:28
later court dates and trial uh he said that he kind of lingered outside longer than he anticipated and one thing that I
00:37:36
found interesting here was that the uh I don't know if it was the psychiatrist or
00:37:40
the the um the judge that was asking him these questions it wasn't clear from what I was watching but they asked him
00:37:46
why he was standing out there and um they wanted some kind of answer like were you trying to talk yourself out of
00:37:54
this situation were you trying to talk yourself down he said no no I wasn't doing that and they and he said you know
00:38:00
well were you hoping that maybe somebody would come along and and see you and stop you from doing this and prevent you
00:38:08
and again he says no he said basically what had happened what was he dropped one of the canisters and he went to
00:38:16
retrieve it and then he kind of just stopped himself for maybe a minute or two before going back into the same door
00:38:23
that he exited earlier and this is where he he throws the the the two canisters of
00:38:30
tear gas right and this is he's going to do this for some form of crowd control I
00:38:36
guess to to disorient disorient the people in the in the seats now some of the eyewitnesses would later say that
00:38:44
they thought maybe this was part of part of the theatrics of the show you know one eyewitness actually thought that the
00:38:51
person was throwing like fake bats into the air um yeah another person I mean let's just paint the scene of J uh James
00:39:01
Holmes he's wearing all black he's wearing this um it's not a bulletproof vest but he's wearing bullet resistant
00:39:10
pants he's wearing some kind of um I don't even know what it's called but that he has this vest it's not a
00:39:17
bulletproof vest but it this thing makes him look a lot bigger and tougher mhm um
00:39:23
he's wearing all black and he has the gas mask one of the Witnesses said you know I thought the person was dressed as
00:39:30
Batman like as a part of the thing you know as part of the whole you know it's midnight showing yeah he's wearing a
00:39:38
he's wearing black clothing a gas mask a ballistic helmet uh Urban Assault vest uh black bulky jacket he also has shin
00:39:47
guards a throat guard a groin protector and a dark bulletproof those dark bulletproof leggings that you had talked
00:39:55
about yeah bullet resistant yeah so he goes in and he throws the tear gas and now he's disoriented the crowd and he
00:40:04
basically opens up fire on on many people that have no clue what's going on and he has this assault rifle we talked
00:40:13
about the assault rifle that he had purchased he has an AR-15 okay and he had purchased that the
00:40:20
drum magazine that would allow him to have 100 rounds that he could fire he basically fired that thing he shot 30
00:40:29
rounds in 27 seconds so just think about that for a second how fast and how rapid
00:40:36
that is and in less than two minutes he shot bullet fragments into 238 theater seats this ends up killing
00:40:46
12 people and 70 people are wounded and 15 of them are permanently wounded now 10 of the the victims would die at the
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scene and two of the victims would die on the way to the hospital or at the hospital
00:41:02
now of the 70 people that were wounded 58 of them were wounded in the actual attack and 12 people are wounded and
00:41:11
suffered injuries as they were fleeing the building yeah yeah I mean this is you know a common thing you'll see I
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mean cuz you never know how you're going to react to something until it's actually going on and so I think a lot
00:41:25
of people didn't you know there were scared um uh people obviously were running for their lives there's complete
00:41:31
chaos and and in that Mayhem uh 12 people were injured and around I I believe it was at
00:41:39
12:38 a.m. the they start to receive 911 calls about what's going on and of course not a lot of the people calling
00:41:48
on calling in really know exactly what's going on you know they're in a state heightened state of panic people are
00:41:54
fleeing the building so they're kind kind of just reporting what little bit they believe to be going on so you're
00:42:00
getting a lot of different calls coming in right now reporting different things some people report that they had seen
00:42:06
multiple Shooters some people report that they had only seen one shooter uh we have different eyewitness accounts
00:42:12
because a lot of things are happening very very quickly yeah so then the the cops show up and uh quickly they
00:42:21
realized I I believe it's theater 9 yes he and he parked his vehicle right out outside of uh theater 9 in the parking
00:42:28
lot so that he could access that door and his vehicle very quickly yeah we we can assume he's he wants to a that
00:42:36
access that as a getaway vehicle the cops show up and you'll hear you know you'll hear in the 911 tapes they're
00:42:42
saying hey we need gas mask we need gas mask there's uh you know these uh smoke bombs or whatever you want to call them
00:42:50
um in theater 9 we need to get in there um and eventually you know as through the 911 tapes you hear this chaos you
00:43:00
hear them asking for ambulance it's one of the things that people bring up a lot
00:43:04
of times with this case is that these ambulance weren't showing up fast enough and we have all these people wounded and
00:43:11
the cops started not waiting for the ambulance they just started taking the the victims out and taking them to the
00:43:20
nearest hospital which actually goes against police protocol uh for that area anyway they are instructed to not uh
00:43:29
transport victims or wounded people to the hospital in their patrol cars now I commend these officers for breaking
00:43:36
protocol and deciding that their you know one life lost is too many obviously but they're witnessing something that
00:43:43
nobody should have to be a part of or witness and they made a concerted effort that and decided that nobody else should
00:43:50
have to die tonight and we're going to break protocol and we're going to help as many people and save as as many lives
00:43:56
as we can and as they get there and there's chaos all around them they they quickly figure out that we have a
00:44:03
suspect now well what happens is there's it's a it's patrolman Jason obiad he shows up and he sees a a black figure
00:44:14
standing next to this white hatchback and the figure appears to be wearing SWAT gear or police riot gear so at
00:44:23
first he assumes that this person is uh is a police officer is somebody that's there to help but quickly what he
00:44:32
realizes is that the the person is not moving he doesn't seem to be reacting to what's going on so that triggers
00:44:39
something within him and he wonders well who is this person so he gets out of his
00:44:44
vehicle and he tells the person to put put your hands on the roof of the vehicle and the the person doesn't
00:44:54
really resist he after being as after being asked twice James puts his hands on the roof of the vehicle next to him
00:45:02
very close to him on the roof of the vehicle is a semi-automatic Glock um and then James Holmes is ordered to the
00:45:10
ground this is when the officer obat he comes up and he drags James Holmes about
00:45:17
10 feet away from the vehicle because he wants to get him away from that firearm
00:45:21
right and he drags him over to a dumpster and he cuffs him now starts to Frisk him to see if he can find any
00:45:28
additional weapons when you see a person when this thing is going on and you see
00:45:33
a person outfitted in this kind of SWAT gear or riot gear that he's wearing you you have to assume that he's heavily
00:45:41
armed and he's trying to find other weapons on on the asent on the suspect and because he's wearing so much gear
00:45:50
you can't really feel anything in there you can't feel for additional weapons so
00:45:55
so a Second Officer shows up and they decide to using a knife they begin to cut some of the gear off of James
00:46:04
Holmes um and doing so they find a couple knives they find uh an iPod Touch uh they basically strip him down to his
00:46:13
white T-shirt socks and underwear so they could find anything that they that might be on his person and and and and
00:46:22
in this moment they're already searching his vehicle his hatchback well the the crazy thing here Captain is they've got
00:46:29
him stripped down to a white T-shirt uh boxers and and uh socks yet his gas mask is still on so then they
00:46:38
remove this gas mask okay and the first thing that they see when they take off the mask is they're shocked by the
00:46:44
bright orange hair and the James Holmes has got these huge pupils mhm and they take off the mask and the first thing
00:46:53
that James says is he says I'm the The Joker uh they also find 28 they find $280 cash in his wallet he also has his
00:47:03
ID his University of Colorado school ID on him credit card health insurance card
00:47:08
things of this nature um and the officers ask him if if he had any more guns other than the Glock that they saw
00:47:16
on top of his vehicle he answers yes I have four of them uh then they then ask him if he has any explosives again he
00:47:25
says yes they ask where they are and he states that they are in my apartment asking if they are ready to go
00:47:32
off James says yes if you trip the wires the officers want to know what type of explosives they are and James explains
00:47:40
that they are IEDs which are improvised explosive devices so now we have this gunman um apprehended and they're going
00:47:50
to take him back to uh the station for questioning and we but we still have chaos going on and one of the nurses
00:47:56
said look this became um you know a mass shooting a massacure basically but it also then became a miracle because we
00:48:06
have all these victims that are hurt that could die and then this is when the nurses and doctors they go into um
00:48:15
survival mode basically and they and and if it wasn't for them and if if it wasn't for the fast acting police
00:48:21
officers there'd be more than 12 people dead another miracle that took place that evening was remember we said in
00:48:29
that AR-15 he had the 100 drum magazine okay he could have fired 100 rounds he actually only shot about 30 of those
00:48:37
rounds because the gun ended up jamming on him um and they say that that can be typical with with a magazine that holds
00:48:45
that many rounds that it would be typical that it would jam many lives were were saved by by
00:48:51
this gun being jammed that night many lives were saved for the fact that he didn't really know what he was doing you
00:48:59
know I mean you take a train expert with the amount of equipment that he had and
00:49:05
it would have been the numbers would have been staggering yeah because I mean when you just think of the layout of any
00:49:11
movie theater and where he positioned himself up by the movie screen and then throwing out the tear gas the the the
00:49:19
people are I mean they're they're sitting ducks they're at a terrible disadvantage to to this gunman yeah and
00:49:26
your two exits are one around the the shooter or normally you have to go down towards the shooter anyways and then cut
00:49:35
back through the lobby you know they need to come up with another exit you know like at the top of the stairs or
00:49:41
something so during the interrogation in the early parts of it they the the police have now this is pretty typical
00:49:50
they have taped bags to his hands MH uh because they want to preserve any gunpowder residue that would be on his
00:49:57
fingers and his hands and during the questioning process he is using these bags as like like puppets he's waving
00:50:06
them around like they're some kind of puppets and at one point he finds a staple in the in the table and he
00:50:14
removes it from the table and he tries to jam it into an electric outlet that's in the room and of course the officers
00:50:21
stop him from doing so um but this is this amongst other types of wild things that he's doing best describes his
00:50:31
behavior during the early parts of this questioning yeah but the first question he asks officers is were there any
00:50:38
children hurt m i mean look a lot of this stuff as far as like him playing you know oh you put bags on my hands I'm
00:50:45
going to act all crazy and I'm playing Puppeteer you know um and you know I'm going to shove this he knows damn well
00:50:53
that you take put a a staple B into a socket it's not going to do much I'm not suggesting that anybody does it cuz
00:50:59
there's a chance it could be not good but some of this stuff is just you know immaturity you know and he's just and
00:51:07
acting crazy you know that I mean that's where I get from it you know you want to
00:51:11
sit there and act crazy and then your first question is is there any kids that were hurt you know they also talk about
00:51:17
when they you know apprehended him and put him in the police vehicle that they said well he was constantly like looking
00:51:23
back to see what the chaos was I I don't I don't know how much i' buy that I think he for whatever reason he
00:51:32
did this stuff and now he's uh you know he he he's obviously remorseful right away and to me that shows a sign of not
00:51:41
uh of sanity and not Insanity absolutely and through talking with him the first thing they want to know about is they
00:51:48
want to know about these explosives that he said are in his apartment mhm so he's
00:51:54
going to give them a little bit of information but we do have to mention that the police would go ahead and break
00:52:00
protocol one more time now what happens here is James Holmes does requ he requests an attorney and they do not
00:52:09
actually deny him an attorney they they you know he he has an attorney but the problem is the attorney is trying to get
00:52:18
to James Holmes to to be involved in this question he's read his Miranda rights but the police have figured out
00:52:26
we've got to we've got to know what's going on in that apartment and we need specifics we need intel basically so we
00:52:34
can figure out how to disarm these booby traps let's say now when the police first discover what's going on in the
00:52:43
apartment they are very concerned because he's outfitted this apartment with enough explosive devices that it
00:52:51
could take down the whole building well and and look let's face it I I mean they
00:52:55
they at at this moment they before they start questioning them they know that there's these explosives but now they're
00:53:02
asking them what what's your name who are you James Holmes and right when they say that now they're going to their
00:53:08
database system right and that and they're going to try to figure out who the hell this kid is there's no record
00:53:15
of this kid I mean this kid doesn't have a troubled past no so they really have no clue who the hell they're dealing
00:53:22
with I think he had one speeding ticket at some point in his life so this wasn't
00:53:26
a guy that was that was breaking laws and constantly violent this wasn't anybody that was on anybody's radar um
00:53:34
well he was on somebody's radar he was on a psychiatrist radar at the school and provoked but that's going to take
00:53:40
you know days and weeks to figure out this is something that the cops are not going to be able to figure out within
00:53:46
the first couple minutes of questioning him well one thing that they do figure out is that the way that he rigged his
00:53:51
apartment to blow the whole building I mean you think about how many more victims there could have been if this
00:53:57
whole apartment would have blown up if this whole building well and like I said remember he he's supposedly lives in
00:54:03
this one-bedroom apartment but it's a complex that's a bunch of one-bedroom apartments possibly two-bedroom
00:54:10
apartments with a bunch of students in it so one thing that he did was he set up this boom box one of those old school
00:54:17
boom boxes and he set it so that it would be silent for approximately 40 minutes and then at some point this
00:54:24
would be a around 1:00 a.m. it would start blaring very loud music his intentions were that an angry NE
00:54:33
neighbor would come up and would check his door well what he did was he rigged it with a trip wire and he left the door
00:54:41
slightly a jar so that all somebody would have to do is is move that door and this would blow up his apartment and
00:54:48
essentially the whole building and everybody in it mhm what happens is a neighbor wait wait before we get to that
00:54:55
this is what he's telling the cops but they're not for sure if it's just that building you know what what else is that
00:55:02
building connected to is he just telling us it's one building could it be possible multiple buildings they don't
00:55:08
know they're they got to go you know this psychopath just tried to murder hundreds of people in a movie
00:55:18
theater and now we have to on some level trust what he's saying and take this very serious
00:55:25
one angry neighbor actually approached the door because of the loud music and she stopped herself from touching the
00:55:33
door because she noticed that it was slightly open and she thought this was extremely suspicious yeah and so she
00:55:40
backed out at the last second and decided to just call in the noise complaint to the police well and you'd
00:55:47
think that the police or campus security or whoever would show up and see the door touch yeah yeah and thank thank God
00:55:56
they got to James Holmes before any of these things could take place another thing he did with that apartment and the
00:56:02
things he had rigged up was he actually set a remote control device outside of the apartment building and he set this
00:56:09
down on the street thinking that if somebody didn't touch the door that somebody would be likely to walk along
00:56:15
and see this remote control and pick it up and hit a button mhm and it would have the same effect and and what you
00:56:21
were talking about like we said you know when they ask him you take off the gas mask Who Are You The Joker and you were
00:56:28
kind of talking to me earlier about you know did he set this up you know with the idea of being like the Joker yeah
00:56:35
you know like where I'm not going to blow it up but somebody else's actions is going to call cause it to blow up
00:56:42
whether that's somebody pushing the door or finding the remote and hitting the button that themselves well in the
00:56:47
general thought I mean everybody's got their own thoughts of the Joker but but the Joker is basically the the agent of
00:56:53
chaos right he's he's the person that's setting things up so that everything just gets chaotic and and nobody knows
00:57:01
how to react and nobody knows the reason why because there's there is no reason for any of these actions there are no
00:57:07
reasons it's just to cause complete chaos and to cause Mayhem and death and and the other fact is that you know the
00:57:16
Joker sometimes would set things up or rig things so that some people were other than himself were in control of
00:57:23
some of that chaos or Mayhem and this being the door that he rigged with the trip wire or the remote control that he
00:57:29
left outside of the apartment for somebody to push the buttons yeah it takes them about what two
00:57:35
days yeah and the the the part of that was uh they they were concerned obviously and they had evacuated the
00:57:44
building very quickly but they were concerned about a couple of things they were worried that the apartment was
00:57:50
rigged in such a fashion that Not only would it blow up the building but it could potentially blow up some of the
00:57:57
surrounding buildings so their first thought was rather than go in and dismantle these uh booby traps we should
00:58:05
just blow we should just blow up the building and that that was one thing that they had considered and they kind
00:58:10
of played with this idea for a little bit of time until they could come up with a good strategy part of this
00:58:15
strategy was getting Intel from James Holmes now where I said that they broke protocol was that they kind of they
00:58:23
weren't completely honest about where James Holmes was being held so it delayed the attorney getting to him
00:58:31
because their thought was that once the attorney arrived that James Holmes was shut down and he wouldn't he wouldn't
00:58:37
communicate any of this much needed information to yeah yeah and you know because the attorney will say hey we're
00:58:45
not talking right but but you're put in people's lives at risk again it's questionable I mean because there's the
00:58:52
justice system and and I believe in Justice and I believe in Law and Order but at the same time uh I believe in
00:59:00
saving lives uh more than that yeah you know it's you broke protocol but I think
00:59:06
um the reasons were Justified yeah this this kind of action reminds me of something like a like a diard movie or
00:59:13
maybe a Lethal Weapon where you have the the cops that don't always go along with
00:59:18
everything that they're supposed to do but at the end they've made the right decision because in the end their job is
00:59:24
to protect protect and serve the people of their community and sometimes you know you might have to bend a little bit
00:59:32
to to Serve and Protect Your Community Yeah so basically you have to break the law to protect the law or or something
00:59:39
something like but so we we basically know that he you know we we now know the actions we know the ramifications of the
00:59:48
shooting we know that he had these bombs set up takes them a couple days but they
00:59:53
disarm it nobody hurt in the process and and what was weird about this case though is it takes 2 years 2 and a half
01:00:02
years for this trial to start which is is is a little strange yeah it takes uh I believe it's a in mid October before
01:00:12
they finalize the charges that they want to uh to push against James Holmes um so
01:00:19
that we're already seeing a few months lapse there but but then the jury selection process was crazy as well I
01:00:26
mean they they sent summonses out to like 9,000 people and they were going to select 12 jurors plus some alternates
01:00:34
from from that pool of people um well this was headline news too so it's it's also uh harder to find not only is it
01:00:43
headline news so you got to find somebody that's not biased but just I mean think about the victim count I mean
01:00:49
there's 12 people that lost their life which is very senseless it's ridiculous and then there's there's another 70
01:00:57
people that are injured and and whether it's a small injury and that's just the victims
01:01:05
physically but I mean even if you're in the theater next door what what effect does that have on you mentally for all
01:01:14
the years to come you know when are you able to go back into a movie theater and
01:01:20
feel safe when are you able to go to any event and feel safe possibly never yeah
01:01:27
there's a lot of there's a lot of victims as you're saying that were in that building or witness something that
01:01:32
night that are not part of any of these stat statistics that we read you know they go unnamed and unknown and these
01:01:40
are people like you said they may not be able to go out into public anymore or maybe they have nightmares for the rest
01:01:45
of their lives or they can't sleep they have insomnia now um yeah this this is on because of one lost individual and
01:01:54
whether you think he's sane or or insane or whatever I mean I think we can all agree that he's definitely lost and
01:02:01
because of that a lot of people were affected and so I think that's probably another reason why it took so long for
01:02:07
them to find a jury you got to there's a lot more people that are um affected by
01:02:13
this and so then that makes the circle you know bigger on how many people know somebody that was affected by this so
01:02:20
you have this event that took place that's of of worldwide you know everybody knows about this
01:02:26
thing okay so you have that problem you have the jury selection process you have
01:02:31
the number of victims involved now parallel all of that with trying to figure out is this guy insane or is he
01:02:39
sane all right and that's part of the reason why this trial would end up taking so long now what would happen is
01:02:46
not only did they learn about the booby traps and they would they would figure out a way to dismantle all of them and
01:02:53
that Al worked its way out because of good police work now what what they ended up finding out as well is as soon
01:03:01
as James Holmes receives an attorney MH it's communicated to the attorney that on that same day that he had mailed a
01:03:12
notebook to his former psychiatrist this is that Lynn Fenton and we're going to say loose psychiatrist I mean he saw her
01:03:20
maybe three times so um one thing that you can say about him is he actually sought out help and and Lynn was not the
01:03:29
first psychiatrist he saw so through the school uh he through the school whatever
01:03:37
is happening mentally with him uh and and I think from you know that girlfriend he had you know look if a
01:03:45
girlfriend suggests to you maybe you should see somebody talk to somebody um there's all this stuff going on with
01:03:53
Holmes and he goes and talks to a a psychiatrist that psychiatrist wow I can't talk that five
01:04:02
out of five beers that's the big bad Baptist wow wow um that psychiatrist refers him to Fenton is
01:04:12
that the name Fenton yes okay and then she talks to him about three times within those three times though like we
01:04:19
said he's probably homicidal they revoke his privileges on campus they revoke his
01:04:24
and and there's some call you can find it online where she's calling leaving a message saying hey yeah this Holmes
01:04:31
character yeah I revoked this privilege and I've revoked this privilege a lot of
01:04:36
put people put blame on her like oh she could have um did a a 72-hour holding mhm and look that's maybe and maybe when
01:04:48
there's more accounts of these actions that come up maybe that's something we'll do more often but that's also in
01:04:54
invading on people's rights you know some you know if somebody's having a bad day and they start screaming at somebody
01:04:59
on campus and then you decide hey we're going to put on a 72h hour holding period I mean that there is a lot you
01:05:06
know it shouldn't be so quick trigger you know on that but in this case it's all it's easy to blame somebody on
01:05:14
hindsight right so but regarding the notebook this ends up becoming a big problem and this is a big problem for
01:05:22
the trial because they have to figure fure out what to do with this notebook because as soon as the attorneys mention
01:05:28
this notebook this was mailed to the psychiatrist but it was not yet received right so the attorneys they want to
01:05:37
intercept this notebook they're saying that it's James's property and because he's going to be eventually charged with
01:05:46
a crime right that they should be able to confiscate that and and keep it private to them um what the what the
01:05:55
prosecution and what the law enforcement is going to argue is that no you you sent it to this person and we should be
01:06:03
able to view it and decide what we what should be done with it James's attorneys
01:06:09
are going to suggest that this is no this is Bound By by U doctor client privilege that that none of the
01:06:17
information inside of the binder can be be talked about yeah which I understand that I mean your doctor is also calling
01:06:26
and revoking your student ID and and wanting you to not be on campus you know isn't that some sort of doctor client
01:06:35
privilege right and there in lies a big question that they had to answer when did James Holmes quit being a client of
01:06:44
the psychiatrist as far as I would one argue that he was never you know a client cuz he only saw her a few times
01:06:50
well as far as the as the psychiatrist is concerned ered she says that no the moment that he quit that he dropped out
01:06:58
of school and he quit attending our sessions he is no longer my client right now they are going to say being the
01:07:06
defense are going to say that no that James Holmes was still always a client and why because him mailing that
01:07:15
notebook that day is him reaching out to his doctor and what took place just minutes before the actual attack well
01:07:24
there was a phone call to the University of Colorado switchboard now they're going to say James Holmes is saying this
01:07:31
was from me I was calling because I was going to ask them to to connect me with the doctor with my doctor and this could
01:07:39
be the phone call that people were talking about that he made when they said he you know it
01:07:46
seemed like the attacker got a phone call and was taking a phone call according to the college they're saying
01:07:53
that the switch board did have the capabilities to connect him with his doctor so that's a possibility however
01:08:00
what they will state is that when the operator connected with whomever was calling the caller did not state who he
01:08:08
was did not say anything at all did not ask to speak with the doctor and after just seconds the call dropped right now
01:08:17
they're so they're willing to admit that they received a call about the same time
01:08:21
that James Holmes says he placed a call look a lot of the stuff with this James Holmes character is he it's it's all
01:08:28
about convenience when they say oh well did you go out into your car were you trying to stop yourself no no but you're
01:08:37
going to also then argue that you're the one making a call to psychiatrist moments before you go in and try to kill
01:08:45
people it's see what I'm saying it's convenience well it's convenient for him and his defense right that's what I'm
01:08:50
saying but at the same time it's interesting in because law enforcement is dealing with something that they
01:08:57
don't typically end up dealing with because in mass shootings in the last two decades over six about 60% of the
01:09:04
shooters decide to die during or after the attack they either commit suicide or they commit death by cop engaging the
01:09:12
police in a shootout or violently attacking or resisting them causing the police to kill them before they can be
01:09:18
apprehended so we're seeing a situation here where we have somebody that's committed this horrible crime that only
01:09:24
took minutes to take place and now we have an opportunity or we have the the dire situation of interviewing him and
01:09:33
trying to figure out whether he's sane or not and why he this why he led to this why what why did this end up
01:09:40
happening and but here's the other thing Captain we talked about the Joker we talked about uh you know he says I'm the
01:09:47
Joker and and some people have wondered that was was he acting like the Joker you know did he did he decide not to
01:09:56
commit suicide or death by cop instead was he choosing to live and View and witness the aftermath of this attack and
01:10:04
the destruction and the chaos that he created yeah I mean that the the you know and any of these events or any
01:10:11
crime I guess the the question always then becomes why why did this person do this and so a lot of people just say
01:10:19
well the reason why he wanted to do this was because he wanted to be famous and um I I think you can see some uh
01:10:26
evidence of that on on on some level but I think people make a big deal about that where he's like this some some
01:10:34
Mastermind yeah he was an intelligent guy but I think he did some shitty things some real shitty things that he
01:10:40
couldn't take back and I think he viewed them as such I mean when you're asking the cops and if you watch that
01:10:46
interrogation yeah there's moments where he's acting crazy and you could you know
01:10:51
again argue the validity of of his mental state but uh he's asking questions that show remorse and I don't
01:10:59
applaud him for that I think he you know he's still a piece of [ __ ] but but I don't but you know Fame what
01:11:07
does it matter if he wanted to be famous or not I challenge you a bit on that I don't know that he's showing remorse I
01:11:12
but you're on to something there I think that what he's showing is a level of sanity that he that he's not completely
01:11:19
insane yeah maybe it's not re you're exactly right he does ask the police were there any kids in the audience and
01:11:26
and he we would later find out that he chose a movie theater for for multiple reasons but one of the reasons why he
01:11:34
chose a movie theater was because he could choose a midnight premiere where there would be a lot of people where but
01:11:41
because of the time of day he didn't anticipate there being any children in the audience yeah and the problem is
01:11:49
there was a child uh there was also a pregnant lady um yeah the youngest victim was six
01:11:56
years old and as you said there was a a woman that was pregnant who the youngest
01:12:01
victim was the baby that wasn't born yet you know that's that's the youngest baby
01:12:06
that's the baby that even get to start its life you know because some guy was lost and and it's it's kind of stupid
01:12:14
you know so we have this guy he's he's been apprehended and there's really no question here Captain right there's no
01:12:21
question of did he do it or if he was the one that did it right at coming out at the time and there we did have the
01:12:28
San the sanity thing to to worry about uh but that's going to start to work its way out through the court system but
01:12:36
what we start to see is the hoax the well let's finish the trial real quick okay I mean so he goes on trial then
01:12:43
it's all about is he sane or insane MH right so then they have to figure that out uh a psychiatrist his examination of
01:12:52
him I think he spent I know I can't remember how long he spent with him I think it was 22 hours yeah 22 hours
01:12:58
interviewing and he he comes out and says look I think he's sane I don't think he's insane you know maybe has
01:13:03
some weirdness there but you're exactly right he he kind of says that he is he's
01:13:09
he's got some mental illness however he is not by def definition of Legally insane he's not legally insane right
01:13:17
he's aware of what he done and he's aware of what took place yeah and then there there becomes this argument that
01:13:23
people I I I keep seeing this you know you know you got the insanity plea right he's he's insane but people are starting
01:13:31
to bring up the idea of mental illness you know and and having that be some kind of Defense MH which um but
01:13:40
anyways so it comes out that you know for all intense purposes they say he's sane and then the jury finds him
01:13:49
guilty and his argument was that he was insane so then that he senten to do you what was that oh he got he got one of
01:13:58
the lengthiest sentences ever handed down he got 24 life sentences MH and tacked onto that he got like over 3,000
01:14:07
years on top of that and the reason for the 24 life sentences is he killed 12 people so they doubled that up and then
01:14:15
factoring into the the 3,000 well over 3,000 years that they add on to that I bet they didn't count the baby that that
01:14:23
is taken into account all of the people that were wounded or injured in the event itself as well as some other
01:14:30
charges for you know possession of explosives and and certain um things that in inciting panic and you know all
01:14:37
these other things that he was he was found guilty of so yeah so he's sentenced he's going to spend
01:14:43
the the rest of his life um in jail and and the big question at the time when when the trial happened was is he is he
01:14:51
going to die for this well he's going to die in prison and and and that's how it
01:14:56
goes now again people want to know what the why is because now if he's not insane then what's the motivation and
01:15:04
like I said one of the mo the motivating factors that people bring up time and time again and you'll see a lot of the
01:15:09
victims that were at trial talk about that well this is nonsense because this is getting bigger and bigger and and
01:15:18
this is what he wants right so um we we you know I don't think we'll ever know the reason why you know the real reason
01:15:29
no because people want to ask things like well is this a gun control problem or is this a mental health problem or is
01:15:35
this something in our society going on with with violence in movies or violence in video games and I actually think it's
01:15:43
probably a a whole bundle all those things up together um and don't go crazy I'm not saying take away the guns
01:15:50
nobody's saying that here what I'm saying that is that that is part of the issue you can't walk away from this and
01:15:56
say that that that at some point guns don't have anything to do with this they absolutely do yeah well I mean cuz you
01:16:05
know that that's the the choice of weapons but I mean look if the guy was going in with machete and trying to kill
01:16:11
everybody it it's a machete problem I mean but it it's definitely a mental health
01:16:16
problem and it's something that we don't talk about and I like I said it before the National Football League will have a
01:16:23
month where they wear pink and talk about cancer and that's great and we we need cancer awareness but one of the
01:16:30
things that we need more more in this country uh is mental health awareness and getting it to the point and here's
01:16:40
here's the here's the mess up thing with this whole situation James actually tried to get help you know and and and
01:16:48
that's I'm not putting any blame on the doctors you know but this is not not a kid that was uh going through some stuff
01:16:57
and then just decided Well I'm going to kill these people and you know so there's definitely some mental health
01:17:02
stuff going on um and that that just raises all these more all these questions and so years later um four
01:17:09
years later and because of the gun control thing mhm because of the gun control thing then this becomes this
01:17:16
conspiracy thing and you're exactly right and hoax and when because when we see these things Sandy Hook when we see
01:17:25
Coline when when these things happen immediately there's these people that come out of the woodwork and they say
01:17:30
nope this is your government your government set this up somehow or there's there's other players involved
01:17:35
in this and this is all because somebody wants to take away your right to own a gun exactly and uh there's been multiple
01:17:44
cases where there is proof that the media you know I don't know who the higher ups that are pulling the puppet
01:17:52
strings but they're has been cases um that in these different circumstances that it seems like there's some kind of
01:18:00
hoax to it so that so we're just going to go through these real quick because it's interesting so the first idea o of
01:18:07
this hoax and you can look it up is that it never happened and this is just nonsense one we got a guy in prison we
01:18:14
had this trial we have hundreds and hundreds of people hundreds of witnesses at the theater there's videotapes of it
01:18:22
people that say this is one one of the things that drives me not when people go there's no there's no cell phone footage
01:18:29
of the shooter okay well if somebody was shooting at me my first thought is not to pull out my phone and take a Snapchat
01:18:37
of this this douchebag you know what I mean so that argument and you're sitting there watching a movie that they've
01:18:42
already told you to turn off your cell phone just minutes earlier which I know not everybody abides by that role but
01:18:48
let's assume that you should turn it off you just turn it on silence is what they're asking for but but hundreds and
01:18:54
hundreds of witnesses right and then not only that but we have all these uh victims that
01:19:01
are taken to hospitals and there's hundreds and hundreds of people at the hospitals so did it happen yes this
01:19:08
happened if you're somebody that thinks um that this didn't happen and it's just
01:19:14
all a hoax you know maybe you should go talk to a doctor um the another hoax that that this one
01:19:23
drives me a little nuts is uh it's a different guy and what they do is they like to take pictures of uh James Holmes
01:19:32
before and then James Holmes after when he's arrested and they put him side by side and then they say see it's a
01:19:39
different person and I've watched these videos multiple times I don't see the difference I mean yeah he has a
01:19:45
different hairstyle color he looks like he's probably put on about 20 lbs um a fat not not muscle or anything and yeah
01:19:57
so he's the same guy he just looks different well and on top of that this would have to be a very elaborate hoax
01:20:04
if it's a different guy because let's think about this for a second most of the purchases that he made for ammo and
01:20:10
Firearms were purchased with a credit card that he carried he's the holder of this credit card he ordered some of
01:20:18
these things online from on online retailers he purchased some of and of purchasing of
01:20:30
guns um and so well their argument would be that they got rid of them a long time
01:20:35
before that and then this impostor is the one that setting it all up but like I said they're but again I'm just
01:20:42
pointing out I'm not saying it's impossible I'm saying it would be a very elaborate hoax frame this guy yeah yeah
01:20:49
it' be a very elaborate hoax that this never happened um so then the other idea is is they're two Shooters you know and
01:20:58
this is the point where you'll hear this over and over you hear it on the 91 you
01:21:04
on the 911 dispatches they talk about um two Shooters eyewitnesses say there was two
01:21:11
Shooters a couple of the eyewitnesses say well look he comes in the door and they there had to be two people one I
01:21:19
think I think that feeling is coming from how fast those bullets are coming out of that gun and then the other idea
01:21:26
is that well you know the the smoke bombs weren't going off in the same direction so it had to be two Shooters
01:21:36
well the smoke bombs aren't going off in the same direction CU he's tossing those
01:21:40
if you toss it 10 ft and the smoke goes up and a moment of chaos and a moment of
01:21:46
panic you're going to assume that well there's somebody over there um so you th this is not um when this is being
01:21:56
reported over and over and over I I think it does give some validity to look into that idea is there two Shooters
01:22:05
because we have multiple eyewitnesses that claim that there were now here's an here's something that gives that some
01:22:14
validity is um and I couldn't find this for certain but we talked about James Holmes being found
01:22:23
wearing a gas mask uh there was a gas mask that was found on the other end of the
01:22:29
building behind and there and it was found with a bloody knife now how much truth is is there I'm
01:22:37
not really for sure they also talk about some weird things with the guns the guns
01:22:42
being propped up and not just laying down and that there was possibly two a15s what1
01:22:49
AR15s um so that gives some idea the the idea was there two uh Shooters there was
01:22:56
also some reports of uh a a group of people in a in a van that pulled somebody into the van and some people
01:23:06
thought well that is um you know because none of somebody making a getaway right
01:23:13
my my argument would be they either just didn't see something correct on that level or possibly it was somebody
01:23:20
pulling in a victim to have get away um the other thing I don't buy about that is James Holmes has never brought that
01:23:29
to anybody else's attention that that there was multiple Shooters yeah and actually when he was asked if he was
01:23:35
alone by the arresting officers he pretty much just gave us he just kind of gave a smirk like he didn't really say
01:23:43
yes or no but um well that doesn't help the host hoax Theory because if he's a smirking then maybe no but I think that
01:23:51
that that goes along with other things that how he was reacting to his arrest um and the thing here too one thing that
01:23:59
I think throws this whole second shooter into into motion you know when when we talked about Coline we we had said that
01:24:08
you know some eyewitnesses believed that they had seen multiple groups of Two Men Walking
01:24:15
The Halls shooting at people and this was because the way the school was laid out that they were running they were
01:24:21
fleeing they were pan think you don't really know exactly what you're seeing when you're in that life or death
01:24:27
situation you just know that you're seeing something you may not it you may not process that you're seeing the same
01:24:33
person twice now it but one thing that happened here too was with the arresting officer he at one point did think that
01:24:42
there was a second shooter and the reason being was after he had apprehended uh James Holmes he saw a
01:24:49
green sight now this is like a laser scope sight that you would have on a handgun or on a firearm and he saw this
01:24:57
green sight pointing off in the off in the distance or near them and so he immediately goes on guard because now
01:25:04
he's concerned that there's a second shooter it's not very long after that that he realizes that that the sight
01:25:10
that he's seeing is left on the Glock that was on the roof of the white hatchback that that he had drug James
01:25:18
Holmes away from well the other thing too is that when he uh he sends like we talked about he
01:25:24
sends this package of the plan to uh his psychiatrist and there's no mention of a
01:25:31
second shooter in that so um you know there is some reason to dive into that and question that there doesn't seem to
01:25:41
be a lot of validity to that so like we talked about before is this the same guy
01:25:48
when they put the pictures up side by side it's definitely the same guy but then they start arguing well his body's
01:25:54
different well let's start let's think about this in middle school and high school he played
01:26:00
soccer and uh he he ran cross country and then he goes to college and now he's out of college he's you know he's in
01:26:08
college but for his Doctorate so he's gained the The Freshman 15 I mean this guy looks you know yeah he was in more
01:26:17
shape in in high school and he let himself go you know and then as he then it takes him two years to go stay in
01:26:24
trial and he lets himself go even more yeah well I mean I mean think about this though he's he has an athletic body type
01:26:32
according to his Adult FriendFinder account right but but there there we do know that on occasion he rode his bike
01:26:39
to and from school um we also know that like you said he's at school he's active
01:26:45
he's doing things no but what I'm talking about is high school he wasn't that active in college so yes your body
01:26:52
is is his body different yes his body is different but it's just that's that's what it looks like when somebody's not
01:26:59
in shape anymore but what I'm saying for me is I'm seeing a difference in body type between him at trial and him on the
01:27:06
day that he's arrested or within days of his arrest yeah it's a it's a progression but obviously it doesn't
01:27:13
take an Einstein to figure it out I didn't even have to leave the garage to figure it out it's because guess what
01:27:19
he's in solitary confinement for most of his incarceration for most of the time that he's being held because of multiple
01:27:25
reasons one they are worried that he's going to be killed by another prisoner or a person that's in the jail uh two
01:27:33
they are worried about him trying to take his own life there was reports of him slamming his head into walls uh and
01:27:41
him saying crazy things but there were also things when he was first brought in they were the the other inmates were
01:27:47
calling him a child killer and a baby killer and they they they made no butts about it that they wanted to hurt him so
01:27:55
he was held in solitary confinement for those reasons guess what unless you decide to drop to the floor and do
01:28:01
push-ups you don't get much activity in this situation okay so what are some other reasons why people would think
01:28:09
that this is possibly some kind of hoax and not not that it's not real but that it's for some other agenda well there's
01:28:17
a lot of talk about his funding for school in from uh DARPA right now DARPA is the defense Advanced research
01:28:28
projects agency it's roughly about 2.9 uh 2.97 billion dollar are allotted to DARPA every year uh they it's but again
01:28:42
there's no record of this uh it seems like the majority of the money that he's getting to go to school is coming from
01:28:49
the University as as far as grants go yeah he got a grant as well as a stien uh and on top of that his parents seemed
01:28:56
to have some kind of money that he may have been receiving money from them and we do know that he had in his possession
01:29:02
a credit card that he was not afraid to use yeah I mean and and the the big argument about this is that all the
01:29:10
stuff he bought was possibly about $10,000 worth of uh equipment that he purchased for the attack um again he's
01:29:20
you know I we're talking about 20 some thousand coming in from U the school to pay for his and I I just didn't find
01:29:28
anything that showed any validity that DARPA was paying for his school uh the other thing that is weird that is they
01:29:36
say that this is you know a big conspiracy because his therapist worked for the Air Force she was a and now
01:29:46
there is some validity to this she did work for the Air Force she also has kind of a dark dark past she was charged with
01:29:54
some weird stuff she was uh prescribing pills for herself prescribing pills for her family members she got in trouble
01:30:01
with the DEA about this they do their little whatever they got to do and then she ends up here and so the again that
01:30:08
it's this part of this conspiracy theory well she worked for the Air Force so that means she's connected to the
01:30:14
government and that means that he is like some Silent Assassin or whatever you want to call like a Manchurian
01:30:21
Candidate yeah MK alra type of stuff so there's some validity to that idea but again uh she saw him three times you
01:30:32
know but is there I don't think that there is I think some of these are just leaps that people are making it's a leap
01:30:37
but what I'm saying is she did work for the Air Force you know she was a psychiatrist for the Air Force no I get
01:30:43
that part of it but it's also the same thing as saying well the captain knows Nick and Nick knows John somebody over
01:30:51
there so so know somebody so that so therefore that means that joh over there knows the captain well that's that's a
01:30:58
bit of a leap yeah and then that it comes out that there's this inmate that sees him when he's in jail mhm and she
01:31:06
makes these claims that he's screaming stuff and and and doing all this stuff later come to find out that she was not
01:31:14
an inmate that she worked for the prison it's it's a weird thing why she did what
01:31:20
she did or who told her to do that it's a strange thing to me still no validity that there's some conspiracy theory or
01:31:29
that this just happened so the our government can take away our guns um let's see some other stuff that
01:31:36
was interesting people always talked about him being drugged uh yes he was definitely drugged
01:31:42
uh on some level they they reported this in the paper basically saying that that
01:31:47
James Holmes was on some kind of truth serum which we know truth STM as being like LSD this was not LSD it is weird
01:31:56
that they drugged him but also this is a guy that has made multiple claims you know that he saw shadow people he saw
01:32:04
well that was reported because they were trying to decide they needed this psychi
01:32:09
psychiatrist to see him to make a determination whether he was sane or legally insane at the time of the event
01:32:16
for the purpose of his trial now during this they one of the methods that they thought of pursuing would be to feed him
01:32:24
this truth serum and to figure out if if he's telling the truth because he is of
01:32:31
the level of intelligence that he may be able to fake some kind of insanity right
01:32:37
especially because he was a somebody that was studying the brain and how the brain reacts and how the brain works um
01:32:45
and and so he may be able to fake that ultimately they decided not to give him that they they they figured out that the
01:32:51
best way to figure out if he's if he's acting or if he's actually being true and real was to monitor him by multiple
01:33:01
people over the course of a lengthy amount of time because anybody I don't care how smart you are how dumb you are
01:33:08
most people can act a certain level of crazy for a certain amount of time but if you do that if you expand it over a
01:33:15
long enough timeline people can't hold that up after a while right right right yeah and so
01:33:21
you know um there's some validity there I mean they they were they did give him some
01:33:28
drugs or whatever um I don't know what that proves you know I think that I think the thing that
01:33:35
they say is like a lot of stuff with this whole MK Ultra talk is that um well we put somebody uh you know the sleeper
01:33:44
assassin they go they go up they they he did the attack and now he can't remember
01:33:50
any of it and now we're going to drug him and the whole idea is that we're going to take him away from society and
01:33:55
we're going to screw up his brain and so what they're saying is they're drugging him so therefore
01:34:01
it's a conspiracy well they are drugging him but they're not hiding the fact that
01:34:05
they did drug him and part of that is because he's on suicide watch right and that's that's typical protocol to follow
01:34:12
when when they have you you you feed them the drugs because it dolls them down and it and it and it calms their
01:34:19
behavior so again it's happening they're not being secretive about it I don't think it plays you shouldn't run with
01:34:27
this idea to make it a conspiracy but what they said was so after the media reports that wow James Holmes looks
01:34:34
super drugged up then the um judge says no more media and again conspiracy theorists say okay well see here's an
01:34:43
example of them trying to cover this up yeah they actually issued like a 2 and a
01:34:48
half year gag order on people that were close to the case they were not allowed to speak to the media regarding the
01:34:54
James Holmes case well the what the judge said you can believe it or not was he didn't want it to turn into a media
01:35:02
circus and you know obviously you know what even with with all the extra that they put on to it trying to make it not
01:35:10
turn into a circus it I mean it still it still was received in my opinion as a circus yeah so let me look at this okay
01:35:20
so okay if we want to stuff that would make you some eyebrows right they would raise your
01:35:29
eyebrows and at James Holmes is famous for his stupid eyebrows um some things that raise some eyebrows that just could
01:35:39
just be pure crazy or is there something to it uh debor Cave so what happens is they're when they're going to sentence
01:35:47
him this lady which people claim was homeless and that she was at the courthouse for a couple days she gets up
01:35:56
and says don't kill him it's not his fault and she's screaming this and that okay that's not that weird
01:36:04
but then she started saying look it's mental health it's a mental health issue you know maybe he's sane but his mental
01:36:10
health this is where it gets strange Deborah cave says I'm his real mother they took him from
01:36:20
me and then and James Holmes's mom turns around and now she's crying some mutter
01:36:26
they mutter some stuff and you know they're trying to detain Deborah cave and then she says some stuff and then
01:36:33
she mutters FBI now that happened we know that yeah we also know that Deborah cave was uh found
01:36:44
in contempt of court and then they arrested her for this I don't know what happened to De Deborah cave I don't know
01:36:51
if she was homeless I don't know if she was on drugs I don't know if she's mentally well but it's something that
01:36:58
goes well that raises some eyebrows I don't know what it means but it's weird it's very it's certainly strange um
01:37:07
Holmes looks like his mother you know have have you seen any interviews with the with his mother he he looks like his
01:37:14
mother I that that's not that's I think he looks like his father as well yeah I mean he looks like his parents to me I
01:37:20
mean that's not a DNA test you know but uh so uh okay the other thing that that um raises a couple questions for me is
01:37:32
on the police radio you talk about them looking for a shooter that is wearing blue blue jeans and a plaid
01:37:39
shirt that raises some suspicion to me because that's definitely not what he was wearing he's wearing all black but
01:37:46
again that could have just been you know misidentification um let's get into some
01:37:51
of the little juicier stuff the the one of the main things that people bring up is that Robert Holmes um James's home uh
01:38:01
James Holmes father so Robert Holmes is a mathematician and also a scientist like I said he has degrees from Stanford
01:38:10
UCLA and UC Berkeley the idea was that he was going to be on trial or testify in a case dealing with
01:38:22
uh this is the bank Scandal yeah Liber right I think that's what it's called now basically what it is is that when
01:38:31
when Banks borrow money from each other there's a system on how that works um now you can read into this as much as
01:38:42
you want and there's some weird stuff too because they people try to make some connection that uh James's holes James
01:38:50
Holmes father was connected to this Liber and so was a victim's father and Sandy Hook there's not much validity to
01:39:01
the Sandy Hook connection uh but yes um Robert Holmes definitely had some stuff to do with FICO credit scores some
01:39:11
computer programming and and different stuff in his field to help with banking um and some people would say well that
01:39:20
connects Robert Holmes to the elite of the elite therefore uh James is as part of this
01:39:27
conspiracy uh I don't know if I buy that it is very odd and it makes me want to dive into it more but I I don't know if
01:39:36
that proves that this this is a conspiracy there's there's a lot of conspiracy theorists out there regarding
01:39:44
this case and regarding Sandy Hook and regarding a lot of these other mass shootings but at the end of the day
01:39:52
the thing is this this mass shooting problem is a problem and and it's happening all the time I mean I want to
01:39:59
give you some quick numbers here okay according to the FBI the FBI considers a a homicidal Rampage like a mass shooting
01:40:08
they consider their definition of a mass shooting is where the attack results in
01:40:14
the death of four or more persons okay so in the 1980s in the United States there were eight
01:40:21
of these such attacks in the 1990s there was 54 of them in the 2000s there was 87 and from the years of 2006 to
01:40:33
2010 we had 156 of these attacks so hoax no hoax whatever you you dive down all the
01:40:40
rabbit holes you want to go to that's fine and that's all well good but you can't argue against these numbers the
01:40:47
other thing that's crazy too is America's robbery theft and assault assult rates are similar to numbers that
01:40:53
are seen and compared to other developed countries like the US however our gun homicide rate we have about 11,000 gun
01:41:03
deaths a year in this country this is according to the Centers for Disease Control and prevention so we're looking
01:41:09
at numbers from 2013 so this what this is is this means that our you our gun homicide rate is 30
01:41:19
times higher than that of countries like France or Australia MH so we're we're seeing an we're seeing a problem here
01:41:27
and we're seeing it repeat itself time and time again and it's increasing rapidly no I I get that but a lot of
01:41:35
those countries are also quite smaller than ours you know so murder per per capita and all that stuff but yeah but
01:41:41
they still have the same they say have the exact same numbers of robberies and thefts and assaults yeah I mean I think
01:41:48
we definitely have a mental health issue I definitely think we have um and and you know in the 80s and the '90s we
01:41:54
actually had a lot more Vi our violent uh attacks as far as um violent assaults the rates were much higher for those
01:42:05
singular attacks back then but you had a lot fewer of these these shooting massacres well when you said conspiracy
01:42:13
or not well yeah now we're having a problem but it's a it's it's a big problem if this is some conspiracy you
01:42:22
know to to control the narrative um now what they talked about was you know with
01:42:29
this MK Ultra thing well we talked about this is the number one hair raising thing that gives some validity not that
01:42:36
it's hoax and it's fake but that they're trying to control the narrative is they talk about with the
01:42:42
mko ultra once you do something then you you might have amnesia but we don't want
01:42:50
you to get get to the point where you do remember now there was a couple times that uh inmates said that James Holmes
01:42:55
was yelling uh the FBI brainwashed Me Maybe that's true maybe it's not maybe that's part of psychosis maybe it's not
01:43:04
I don't know maybe it him part of him acting crazy because but I think I believe that doctor when he said he was
01:43:11
in he was actually sayane because I see those those fragments of Sanity in his interrogation and if you think that this
01:43:19
guy is just some crazy psycho uh watch those interrogations yeah you're going to see some Humanity inside him and
01:43:28
you're going to see some sess but well you're going to see some thought put into action of his attack okay yeah yeah
01:43:34
yeah you're going to see that because he's asking about the children like you had said and there's other things that
01:43:39
they learn from this notebook that they that they get that he sent to the psychiatrist they figure out that that
01:43:46
he again he picked the late night showing of this movie movie because he didn't believe that there would be any
01:43:52
children in there the notebook clearly states he clearly presents himself as somebody that wants to kill people and
01:44:00
he thinks about becoming a serial killer however he decides that that's not the route he's going to go because that's
01:44:06
too personal of an of an attack that's that's an up close and personal he wouldn't be able to handle something
01:44:11
like that he also thinks about going into an airport and carrying out a mass shooting in an airport however he
01:44:17
decides that he doesn't want to do that because there would be too much security
01:44:20
there and that he would probably be stopped before he could get to what he do what he wants to do he also thought
01:44:27
about using explosives to to kill a lot of people however he decided not to use explosives because he was worried that
01:44:36
he would blow himself up in the process right well he uses explosives but and then that's another part about the
01:44:42
conspiracy some people believe there was no bombs at all in his apartment but and
01:44:48
which then in that case The Notebook goes with that thought but the but the big hair raising thing um if you want to
01:44:56
start diving down the conspiracy thing and really which gives some validity to it you know is we don't know where James
01:45:05
Holmes is right you know he was arrested uh he you know went on trial he's charged and sentenced he sentenced all
01:45:16
that stuff and then they did this uh prisoner trade so basically this one prison will we're going to give you a
01:45:23
prisoner well he was attacked well yeah he was attacked he was attacked what happened was at one of the correction
01:45:29
officers accidentally well we don't need to go into that but for whatever reason there
01:45:35
was a door that was left unlocked or or a cell that was left unlocked somehow uh
01:45:41
somebody didn't do their job correctly and an inmate was able to get to James home homes and assaulted him and after
01:45:49
this took place this was last year after this took place they transported him to
01:45:55
another prison and they will not say where he's being held and they say that this is for his personal safety yeah so
01:46:02
what they do is a one 14 one we're going to trade this prisoner for you they say
01:46:06
it's for his safety and then the the there's uh parents of the victims that just want to know where he's at and
01:46:14
they won't say and the state I guess technically doesn't have to say uh that the hair raising thing when that
01:46:23
happens now and all and by the way he's not prisoner James Holmes anymore he's prisoner whatever they say they changed
01:46:32
his name who knows right so nobody knows where he's at um that's the the that's one of the main things I don't find that
01:46:43
fishy at all yeah but I find that to be a problem and I a problem because in certain States and it might be all 50
01:46:50
States I'm not certain but I know for I know for a fact that some of the states carry the system where they are required
01:46:57
to treat their inmates and the inmates have the same rights as the citizens of that state right well this presents some
01:47:05
problems because we've seen in some states where where maybe somebody wants to be a man wants to become a woman well
01:47:14
everybody has that right so now the state has to pay for that process to take place and that's not a cheap
01:47:21
process so in this situation we're seeing we're seeing where they need to keep James Holmes safe without being
01:47:29
attacked or without being killed by another inmate because that's the same thing that they would transpire to any
01:47:36
citizen of that state yeah I I have a problem with this I don't I don't have a problem with keeping inmates safe I
01:47:42
think that they should I they should be safe the problem here is I do think that
01:47:46
the victim's families as well as the general public has much of every much of a right to know where he's being kept
01:47:54
and how long he's going to be kept there I think that people need to know this I
01:47:58
I think you know if if punishment is the deterrent for committing a crime or harmful acts to others then we need to
01:48:07
see the punishment right we need to be aware of it this guy doesn't shouldn't just be able to vanish like a ghost in
01:48:14
the night right and now and now this now he becomes more of a of a Legend So to speak yeah and I think because of that
01:48:22
that you know Sparks fire I'm not saying it gives any validity to this idea that
01:48:27
it's conspiracy that you know this is some part of like you know mind control or
01:48:33
something um but I think it it's one of those things that conspiracy theorists will go haha see see we can't even find
01:48:43
James Holmes how can we know anything um but yeah there's some there's some odd stuff about this but
01:48:50
and any of these cases I mean you can look up this stuff about uh you know the Illuminati cards and you can look up all
01:48:57
these number theories about James Holmes um look if you're looking for answers and you're looking for odd things that
01:49:07
don't line up you're going to find those if you look for them you know if you're
01:49:12
really searching them out but uh man we've gone long enough already oh wow so anyways he's a he's a real piece of [ __ ]
01:49:20
um you know I think we should know where he's at um I agree I agree but he's a real piece of [ __ ] especially the
01:49:27
victim's families um and like we said there's so many victims here I mean when you when you tally it all up uh it's
01:49:33
crazy and what's sad is that this kid showed promise you know this kid showed um intellect and you know he he
01:49:45
could have done who knows what he could have done and in the positive realm and he didn't
01:49:52
do that and then he and he takes these innocent people's lives and affects all these people it's it's a sad story well
01:50:01
and you know what here's the thing too you know you we often you know I've said it myself and I've heard other people
01:50:07
say it as well when when these mass shootings happen and you know we said that 60% of them decide to commit
01:50:15
suicide or die during the act or after the act and he didn't do that in this situation and when when we see these
01:50:23
mass shootings we often say myself included well why didn't he just go kill himself you know instead of doing this
01:50:31
horrible thing why didn't he just go kill himself I can't answer that question but
01:50:36
here's here's what I want to know I think there's something going on with the Youth of America and it's not Youth
01:50:42
Of America as a whole but it's happening in these little pockets right and we're
01:50:47
seeing these mass shootings happen at a fast rate year after year after year we all want to know why they're
01:50:55
happening but at the same time some of this is to get noticed some of it is a way to get noticed now here's a good way
01:51:03
to go out and get noticed go talk to a psychiatrist go tell them that you know what I'm H there's something inside of
01:51:10
me telling me to kill people or telling me to to to shoot into an audience of people why don't you choose to be famous
01:51:20
or choose to be known or or be somebody that was somebody that saved lives rather than taking them yeah you'd be
01:51:29
known as the the mass murderer That Never Was or something like that yeah all right let's wrap this up cuz um it's
01:51:39
all getting a little too much for me today we got a little hairy and scary in the garage tonight they're draining man
01:51:45
these cases drain you you you research them you trying to find interesting things to talk about but at the at the
01:51:52
end of the day uh innocent people lost their lives and and it's and it sucks and it's well and the the terrible thing
01:51:59
too is it's senseless it's absolutely senseless and we've we've locked ourselves in the garage for the last
01:52:05
week trying to get into the mind of James Holmes and figure out why this happened and there and I I need to get
01:52:10
out I need to get out all right recommended reading thank you Captain I want to recommend the spiral notebook
01:52:17
the Aurora Theater shooter and the epidemic of violent Mass violence committed by American Youth this is by a
01:52:24
husband and wife team uh Steven and Joyce singular and they this is a very interesting book of course it talks
01:52:30
about James Holmes and the events leading up to the attack and the things that took place afterwards but one thing
01:52:36
that they did that was interesting here is they discuss some of the other mass shootings in this country they discuss a
01:52:42
lot of numbers and statistics as well as interviewing parts of American Youth and
01:52:48
asking them their opinion on of the epidemic of what's going on in this country so again that's the spiral
01:52:55
notebook by Steven and Joyce singular you can pick that up by going to truecrime garage.com click on the
01:53:01
recommended page and you're going to see this book as well as all the other books
01:53:04
and uh even we recommended a movie last week so go check that out true Crim garage.com uh sorry the well I'm not
01:53:11
sorry I'm not sorry that the episode was so long well some people some people might not like it I enjoyed sitting here
01:53:18
speaking with you and we avoid avoided watching the election uh in the process we did get out and try to Rock the vote
01:53:25
but who knows what will happen with that I mean no spoilers but uh but either way
01:53:30
Mur didn't win regardless of the outcome let's all be friends and let's all be a
01:53:34
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