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that's enough of the business everybody gather round grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime
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foreign [Music] [Music] the FBI is seeking your help to apprehend the following individuals
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Robert William Fisher allegedly killed his wife and two children and blew up their house in
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Scottsdale Arizona in 2001. Eduardo rivello charged with the murders of pregnant U.S
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consulate employee her husband and a friend in Mexico seven years ago Yasser Saeed
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is wanted for allegedly murdering his two teenage daughters the girls died of multiple gunshot
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wounds on January 1st 2008. Walter yovani Gomez is wanted for his alleged involvement in the brutal murder
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of a man in Plainfield New Jersey in May of 2011. the victim was struck in the head
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numerous times his throat was cut and he was stabbed 17 times in the back Luis macedo a Latin King's gang member
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is wanted for his alleged involvement in the death of a 15 year old boy in Chicago Illinois on May 1st 2009
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the victim was beaten shot and set on fire badrish Kumar Patel the FBI is offering
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a two hundred thousand dollar reward for the arrest of badrish Kumar he is wanted
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for allegedly killing his wife by striking her multiple times with an object while the two were working at a
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donut shop in Hanover Maryland on April 12 2015. for more information visit fbi.gov
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wanted these are just some of the most Wanted men in America and this is true crime garage
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[Music] we want to do something a little different on this episode we wanted to dive into the FBI's top 10 most wanted
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list yeah we grew up being fans of the show's Unsolved Mysteries and America's Most Wanted and so kind of paying a
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little bit of a tribute to those two shows you know there there is this list this living breathing list that's
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provided to us by the FBI and anybody at any time can go to their website and look at the photos of these wanted
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individuals read about the stories and it's something that I think that not a lot of us are paying attention to and we
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got a lot of web sleuthors out there we got this whole community of people looking for these terrible people that
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we talk about every week but there's this list there's this list of people that we should be hunting yeah and I
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it's a list that I haven't checked out in a while but going back to the Unsolved Mysteries in America's Most
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Wanted if you could host if you could revive one of those shows and you could be the host which show would you pick
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well see here's the thing Captain I 100 percent without without fault I immediately would pick Unsolved
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Mysteries oh yeah I just choice I mean Robert Stack's voice is so incredibly good just because you're the host
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doesn't mean you get a sound like Robert Stack well right right and but that's what scares me it would be very big
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shoes to fill you know what I mean he did such a good job with that and he was like creepy enough that it that it added
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to the creep factor of the show well Colonel I think you're uh creepy enough to fill his creepy shoes well I I will
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take that as a compliment well it really wasn't a compliment but let's uh let's dive into the history and some of the
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cases that Fascinate us on the FBI's most wanted list for over 60 years the FBI has sought The public's assistance
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in a very special way through one of their most effective longest running publicity programs the top most wanted
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fugitives list in 1949 a reporter this is James Donovan he asked the FBI to identify the
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toughest guys that they were investigating at the time the FBI provided him with photos of 10 dangerous
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fugitives which he then published on the front page of the Washington Daily News
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the top 10 list was extremely popular at the time and several of the fugitives were captured as a result so during the
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following year the FBI they formalized its 10 most wanted fugitives publicity program which since 1950 has led to the
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location of hundreds of our nation's most dangerous criminals they have and they have over a 90 percent success rate
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when they place somebody on the list of apprehending them which is a high percentage but one of the criterias is
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they put these individuals that they think the public can help them capture yes that's right and we'll go through
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the criteria of how someone ends up on the list according to the FBI but from the direct director you know the
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director states that the FBI's top 10 program it celebrates not only the FBI success story but it emphasizes the need
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for citizen cooperation in the fight against Crime the tennis is where we come in that's
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what we're doing that's what we're doing that's what we're doing right now right
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here the 10 most wanted fugitives program tracks the evolution of crime of the crime problem in America while the
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list began with bank robbers and murder suspects fleeing State jurisdiction it has recently evolved into a search for
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major organized crime figures serial killers domestic and international terrorists cyber criminals and white
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collar criminals and it seems like a lot in the last five to ten years have actually been terrorists yeah during the
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last 17 years the list has Illustrated the international scope of crime as well as the importance of strong Global
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Partnerships and the search for terrorist sexual predators human traffickers and other violent criminals
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who pose a significant danger to us all right so the FBI program is evolving correct So Gone are the days when the
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top 10 posters could be found in post offices since 1996 the top 10 post posters have appeared on the FBI's
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Internet site that is www.fbi.gov uh you know this is obviously to reach across borders uh
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sometimes these people these criminals will flee to other countries and we need worldwide help to apprehend these guys
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one it seems like the FBI is also getting hip with social media yeah they've used things like Facebook
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Twitter I believe there's there's even an FBI app where you can keep track of the top 10 list and and who's on it and
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who we should be looking for in the first 60 years of this FBI list there were 494 fugitives that appeared on the
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top 10 list and during that 60 years 463 of them had been located now I do want to be clear about this because not all
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of the fugitives have been arrested out of that 463. some of these people surrendered other others have been found
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deceased or they may have been found sound innocent you know at some point where they thought that this person was
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guilty of a crime and they were seeking him or her then later evidence comes out
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the point that they're not actually the person the guilty party could you imagine being on that list like being
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that guy that's being the guy that's like you know oh we got the captain from True Crime garage on the top 10 list
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I'd be I'd be I'd be [ __ ] in my pants my friend all right so what is the criteria
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to be on the list I get there's two primary criteria used to determine who should be placed on this list first The
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Fugitive must be particularly dangerous uh amendance to society and or have a lengthy record of committing serious
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crimes secondly as you pointed out the FBI must believe that Nationwide publicity will assist in apprehending
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The Fugitive right so here's how they come up with this list Captain they they have many FBI offices that are involved
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in selecting the fugitives who will make it on the list the criminal investigative division the CID at FBI
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headquarters they contact all of their other field offices in an effort to solicit the most dangerous fugitives for
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consideration so they basically all kind of nominate somebody and then they review the nominees and decide who is
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going to be on the list one off the Record earlier weren't you saying that there's no like one through ten I
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believe so like I I always thought of this list when you hear top 10 lists you hear like oh this is the most Wanted guy
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Public Enemy Number One right and the list doesn't appear to me to be a number one two or three uh anytime I click on
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there or go to their website the the order seems to change uh who's on there so I think you're really just on the top
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10 list you're not really they're not ranking these guys right so forever we heard you know Osama Bin Laden was the
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number one most wanted you know man uh by our government by our FBI and that may be the case or may have been the
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case at the time I don't know if they've changed the way that they format the thing but unless a top tenor is captured
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found dead or surrenders uh there that's the only way those are the only conditions of getting removed from the
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list because one of the cases that we're going to dive into what I when we're looking at the list you he was in the
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number one spot and when you look into his crime I mean you know he's a hideous person but you know it's almost like
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really that's all that's all you have to do to get to the number one spot yeah well I would encourage everybody to go
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to fbi.gov and dive more into this you can look into the criteria and look about the history of the list and people
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that have been apprehended throughout the years uh one thing that what I found particularly interesting when I was
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reading about this was where they located some of these fugitives um this is this is right off of their
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website says while many of the top Tenors apparently stay close to the crime you know one in one in six
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fugitives never left the city where they committed their crime but two-thirds were eventually apprehended far from the
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location of their crime in fact more than 40 percent of the top 10 fugitives have been apprehended outside of the
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United States right but not anybody there's no individual from the list that was found in Parts Unknown never that's
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correct just to let you that's exactly right well one of the famous let's talk about one of the famous cases from the
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top 10 list this is a man named William Raymond Nesbitt on December that's my favorite one just but we'll start with
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this one okay on December 22nd 1936 William Raymond Nesbitt together with three other men including a man named
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Harold Baker and his girlfriend they burglarized a wholesale jewelry company at Sioux City Iowa well the company
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reported more than thirty seven thousand dollars worth of jewels that had been stolen later that month all the
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participants drove to many haha County in South Dakota so if anybody's in South Dakota and I completely butchered that
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County send us an email that's the actual name of the county I'm moving there five this is five miles east of
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Sioux Falls South Dakota they did this in order to obtain some Dynamite to make nitroglycerin okay and once they arrive
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and then they get out of the car three of the men became involved in a fight the girlfriend this is Harold Baker's
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girlfriend she got out of the automobile and attempted to stop the fight as she did so William Raymond Nesbitt struck
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her in the head with a hammer several times and one of the other men then shot her she was dragged into a powder house
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now Baker Harold Baker he was knocked unconscious during this fight and he was drugged into that powder house as well
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well one of the men in the group he lit a fuse to some powder and fled the scene
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Baker's girlfriend although she had been severely beaten and shot she was able to
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crawl away the fuse exploded this this blew up 3 500 pounds of dynamite and 70 I'm sorry seven thousand pounds of black
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powder this killed Harold Baker the explosion was huge it rocked the countryside it shattered Windows mirrors
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and glass where in Sioux Falls which remember we said was five miles away well while the police were conducting an
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investigation to determine what had caused the blast they were advised that a woman had been brought to the hospital
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and she was suffering from bullet wounds and shock the investment anthos you know Hammer to
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the face hits you know she's suffering from those too well the investigation revealed information concerning the
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three men including William Raymond Nesbitt who had been responsible for the murder of Baker and for shooting uh
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Baker's girlfriend Nesbit was apprehended in Oklahoma City Oklahoma this was on February 26
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1937. he was returned to Sioux Falls where he was tried and convicted for murder and he received life imprisonment
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in South Dakota State Penitentiary now nine years later nesbitt's life term was commuted to a 20 20-year sentence
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ridiculous yeah well listen to this I blew this guy up with dynamite and you're gonna give me 20 years yeah and
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Nesbit during this term had become a trustee and eventually was allowed to leave the prison to perform housework
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landscaping and duties as a chauffeur wow that's ridiculous so you got this you got this uh jewelry Thief turned
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murderer who's now driving people around town on September 4th 1946 when the night check was made at the penitentiary
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Nesbit was missing on December 26 1946 a federal complaint was filed before the United States commissioner at Rapid City
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South Dakota charging William res William Raymond Nesbitt with unlawful flight to avoid confinement and a
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warrant was issued for his arrest and then once they issue this warrant the FBI is going to get involved at this
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point yeah they're going to be looking for Nesbit in March of 1950 a news article which carried a picture of
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Nesbit together with his description and fugitive status was published in a Saint
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Paul Minnesota newspaper as well as other newspapers around the country on Friday afternoon March 17th a 14 year
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old boy arrived home from school and he noticed a newspaper on the kitchen floor
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as he looked at the paper he noted that the photograph of Nesbit and the accompanying article advising Nesbitt
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was wanted by the FBI so this boy and his 13 year old friend they spent a lot of time playing along the Mississippi
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Riverbank in Saint Paul Minnesota with other boys from the neighborhood well over the past few months they had become
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acquainted with a guy that they called Rey who lived in a cave on the riverbank yeah they would visit they would visit
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this Ray guy about once a week I wonder how many times they told their parents about Rey we hang out with Ray oh that's
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nice dear where does Ray live oh he lives in a cave yeah the parents think that Rey is some created some uh
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creation of their imagination right uh well for during this four-month time period they would visit this Ray guy you
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know when he anytime they were down by the river they said about once a week they would see Rey and he would allow
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them access to his cave occasionally telling them stories about his travels about his life and finally in early
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March of 1950 Rey then he didn't want to see any of the boys anymore he told them
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that they needed to stay away from the cave because it was a dangerous area they were likely to get hurt well yeah
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you know Ray became like a motivational speaker you know he kept on saying you guys don't want to end up like me you
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don't want to be living in a cave down by the river well and you have to to wonder if Rey came up with this at about
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the same time that the newspaper article came out with his face and picture on it
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well the the 14 year old boy he cut out the article uh from the newspaper believing that the man in the photograph
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was Rey right from the cave yep and the boy took the article to his friends and showed them the article and they agreed
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that it looked like this Rey character well the next day the boys went down to the cave to make sure that Rey was
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indeed the man in the photograph they then after seeing him confirmed their belief they then phoned the police
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and told them of their suspicion so on that Saturday morning this is just March 18
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1950 just two days after William Raymond Nesbitt was placed on the top 10 list well he was apprehended by Saint Paul
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police due to the courage and bravery of these two young boys that had seen his picture I would make one heck of a like
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a dramatization if they took that and just made that little part a movie you know a 13 and a 14 year old you know
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seeing this you know this is Ray from The Cave but this guy is on the FBI's most wanted list right from the cave and
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we gotta we gotta go down there and confront him I mean that's oh man can you imagine the terror that was in their
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Their little bodies you know what I wonder about that though Captain I wonder if you know of course they
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weren't too young to have fear but you almost wonder if they fully understood the and comprehended the the gravity of
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the subject yeah yeah that they could be placing themselves in immediate danger well this is kind of showing the history
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of how it works and and and how they implement it yeah and how quickly somebody can be apprehended once they're
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placed on the list yeah you said it was a couple days yeah it was just two days after they showed the newspaper article
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what another really interesting case is Robert Van Wiese he was wanted for murder for I believe 30 years or so uh
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before he actually ended up on the list well and I'm gonna take some of this story from a this is adapted from a news
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story from K view which is an ABC affiliate back in 2015. now this story takes place in Austin Texas now more for
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more than three decades after a brutal murder in South Austin Police say that they knew who had did it but the suspect
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effect was still not in custody in September of 1983 employees at the South Austin office building got to work and
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discovered 22 year old Lori Stout in the men's restroom she had been sexually assaulted strangled and suffocated now
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Lori Stout who is she she owned a cleaning business along with her husband and she had been working that night in
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the building and she died that night she was murdered this happened at an office
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building on South First Street near the U.S highway 290. now back in the 1980s the University of Texas they had offices
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there so this is where UT students would be signing up for classes and so this building was open late that night so
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there are many people coming in and out of the building that evening right so this is the this is the University of
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Texas this is the Longhorns right yeah big giant University will you talk about Texas a lot lot it's a big state Lots
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going on so one of the students that was in and out of the building that night was 18 year old Robert Van Wiese
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everyone who was in the building that night after they discovered the murder I think that his friends called him young
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wheezing young Wheezy young young van Weezy old young Wheezy well after the the victim was discovered everybody that was
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in the building that night they were questioned and this included 18 year old van Wiese he was there late registering
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for a class that he was going to attend at the University to taken computer you probably that's what most people sign up
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for he was given fingerprinting and some kind of DNA test right but he wasn't apprehended at this time right right
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because they have to process the fingerprints and the DNA yeah and they really had nothing to hold him on and it
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wasn't until later that they were able to match his fingerprints with fingerprints found at the crime scene
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and the do we know if they were able to match the DNA or not well let's get into
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that let's uh introduce Angel Polanski she was with the Austin Police Department now there's a few things that
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she's she's got a lot of opinions about this case she's worked this case for a long time saying that you know this was
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a case that they talked about daily at their Department it was one that they believed was going to be solved and then
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later once they had the evidence they really felt that they knew who had committed this crime it was all about
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apprehending this person so what happens here Captain is not only are those fingerprints found at the crime scene
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but according to Polanski the fingerprints are in locations that are very damning to him uh they're what
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ended up happening too this is a bit strange but she added that A lab technician had misread the DNA
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originally and this ruled out van Wiese it wasn't until 1992 that another investigator realized that there was a
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mistake so they went back and they were able to get familial DNA which ended up connecting van Wiese to this case so
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this solidifies their theory that they had the right guy right but when you hear stories like that I mean doesn't it
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just make you question The credibility of the system yeah it does but but we're humans you know we're all flawed uh
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people make mistakes speak for yourself uh the police believe that that van Wiese left the country before they could
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apprehend him now the next challenging thing would be of course locating him and then they believed that he had he
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had gone to Mexico well let me guess he was living in a cave down by the river I
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don't think that was the case no but not only was the problem finding him but also a big problem would be if he was to
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be located in Mexico would law enforcement their extradite and back to the United States yeah they have to be
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cooperative with us a U.S Marshal's supervisory detective says that this could be a long cumbersome process it
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could take months it could take even years you know van Wiest initially faced the death penalty but investigators were
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going to have to lessen the charge if they did locate him in Mexico and wanted to get him back because Mexico does not
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agree with our death penalty as a punishment and they're very upfront about not agreeing to even consider
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extradition of any Mexican national that has a capital murder as the charge or death penalty as the possible
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possibility of punishment yeah that's very interesting well what they ended up doing Captain is just that
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right so they uh regarding van Wiese they lessened the charge and his punishment was going to carry a life
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sentence right uh once that changed the FBI and the U.S Marshals were working very hard to find him well after 32
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years it wasn't going to be easy and then let me throw this at you too investigators only had one picture of
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Van Wiese this was him at the age of 18. you know so of course he's going to look
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a lot different after 32 years and yeah or you could be like Ralph Macchio and he looks exactly the same I think Ralph
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is sleeping in tupperware he's holding it together very well the other thing though all of the lead investigators
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like I said they believed that they knew who did this from the get-go from very early on in this crime investigation and
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their big concern was you know they didn't want him to hurt anybody else you know in 32 years you have to sit back
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and wonder well I hope he hasn't raped anybody else or murdered anyone else during that time that's of course a big
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concern for us all one I think the other concern was that his family lived in the
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area and they weren't being cooperative with police or FBI so then they were wondering right if they're like
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sponsoring him if they're supporting him yeah they would offer the police no help
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with their investigation to find their family member well you know but in their defense I mean you have one DNA comes
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back and it's red wrong quote unquote so how can you be for sure that these fingerprints match him and if they don't
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then therefore you know he's innocent I mean that would be a simple argument right why are you running from the law
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well they say my fingers prints match but they don't and they said before my that my DNA didn't match and now they're
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saying it does yeah I can see both sides of the coin there but you know he fits the criteria very
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well for being on the list because he would be considered a dangerous fugitive and second of all he's somebody that it
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seems very obvious that they need the Public's assistance in apprehending this guy especially if he did flee the
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country right but this is all going to change December 13 2016. yeah because they're going to
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place van Wiese on the FBI's most wanted list uh he becomes the 511th person added to the list and after that takes
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place well it doesn't take very long Captain because on January 26 2017 he surrenders to U.S officials in Laredo
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Texas at the Mexican border now on March 28 2017 van Wiese pled guilty to murder
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and was sentenced to 30 years in prison gotcha gotcha so that's where you can see a guy that's wanted for a crime for
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over 30 years he's placed on the list and it's what about 45 days later approximately that he surrenders and
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ultimately pleads guilty to having committed this crime all right so 90 of the time it works all the time all right
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let's get right back to this right after this quick beer break [Music] all right we're back cheers mate cheers
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so we are going to feature some persons that are wanted by the FBI these are straight off of their list so these are
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live cases Active cases we encourage everyone to go to fbi.gov wanted and do your part you know look at the faces
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read the stories because just like Robert Stack used to say who knows maybe you could solve a mystery yeah but he'd
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say it way cooler than that you're you're right he would so first on our list let's talk about a guy named Jason
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Derrick Brown a little background on him he was born in 1969 he's an American fugitive wanted for first degree murder
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armed robbery in Phoenix Arizona this took place November 29 2004. on December 8 2007 he was named by the FBI as their
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489th fugitive to be placed on the 10 most wanted list now of course Brown is considered armed and extremely dangerous
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like we said he was born in California back in 1969 he attended the Laguna Beach High School Brown speaks fluid
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French and he has a master's degree in international business well he actually should be called like the MTV killer and
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I say that because one Laguna Beach right wasn't there a show called Laguna Beach I think so and then uh so there's
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that part uh typical you know it seems like kind of a a Richie Rich white guy but the funny thing is is for a while he
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was trying to rock the poly D from Jersey Shore haircut well he grew up a bit of a privileged lifestyle he served
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a mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Paris France from 1988 to 1990. so when we say he's
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fluent in French he's extreme extremely fluent in French between 1990 and 2004 Brown resided in several places in
00:32:47
Orange County California this included Dana Point as well as a neighborhood of Newport Beach Brown also owned two
00:32:54
businesses this was based in Salt Lake City Utah these are identified by computer records as toys unlimited and
00:33:02
on the doorstep advertising both of these companies he operated out of his Utah home now brown had been employed as
00:33:10
as a toy salesman and a golf equipment importer as well now okay so he's got these businesses plus he has these jobs
00:33:18
that he's doing this is a guy that later in life and leading up to his crimes he's trying to support a very luxurious
00:33:26
lifestyle right but let's go back for a second so the there's no store friends these are just online he's like a
00:33:33
distributor correct so this guy you know read four hour work week and he took that to the extreme so he's selling toys
00:33:41
online and he's also selling golf equipment correct correct now what is his expect his his luxurious lifestyle
00:33:48
well this is a guy that has extremely expensive taste uh he likes cars fast cars motorbikes boats
00:33:55
um he he portrayed himself to be a wealthy man um but he was not a wealthy man this was
00:34:02
a guy that was racking up tens of thousands of dollars in debt sounds like the captain well Jason Brown he finds
00:34:09
himself big time in debt by the year of 2004. now in November of 2004 uh Brown took a Firearms class he purchased a 45
00:34:20
caliber Glock pistol and he purchased this from a place called totally awesome guns uh they yeah this was uh hey I got
00:34:31
a great idea let's sell guns what do you want to call it totally awesome guns dude well and this place was in Salt
00:34:37
Lake City but they also had a uh a range a shooting range range there as well now
00:34:42
he wanted to take some classes he wanted to get his um conceal and carry license
00:34:48
so he passed a background check and as part of the class he was fingerprinted and his prints were sent to state and
00:34:55
federal authorities you know this is part of the agreement when you sign up for these different things now his his
00:35:03
instructor at the class would later describe Brown as an obnoxious student he was a guy that had you know he had a
00:35:12
chip on his shoulder he was kind of goofing off during the class didn't take it too seriously and he said this is
00:35:18
coming from the guy uh totally awesome guns totally awesome guns okay uh he also says that brown seemed to be
00:35:25
extremely inexperienced with Firearms well you can just picture this right I mean some rich white kid I'm going to
00:35:32
learn about guns and he just you know he's just joking around about it not taking it serious well and to paint a
00:35:39
bit of a picture too for the list owners he's got kind of this uh you know some of the pictures you'll see of him he's
00:35:44
got a bit of a a tan California Surfer Dude kind of look to him yeah but he's also kind of a couple people have said
00:35:51
he kind of looks like Sean Penn I guess if you do a I'm going to do a Google image search real quick yeah uh and I
00:35:58
think for some reason they they put pictures with Sean Penn next to him to kind of show you he looks similar but
00:36:05
I think he just looks like a douche on Monday November 29 2004 this is the Monday after the Thanksgiving Day
00:36:14
weekend now there's a there's an armed truck that's going to pull up to a movie theater and this is in Phoenix Arizona
00:36:22
okay so the way that this thing would work is that the truck would pull up and you have a driver and then you have a
00:36:29
guard that would get out of the truck yeah I used to have to deal with these guys uh Brinks was the company that I
00:36:35
dealt with when I worked at the bank and they would show up I think our money drop was every Tuesday so they'd have to
00:36:41
show up Tuesday and and you could have different if you had like special orders that come on different days but yeah one
00:36:47
guy would stay in the truck the other guy would come in but these both individuals are heavily armed yeah
00:36:53
anybody that's familiar with this these guys they look like these guards they they're dressed very much like police
00:36:59
officers uh and it's usually pretty obvious that they're wearing bulletproof vest and as the captain said they are
00:37:05
armed my experience with with persons in this profession was I always got the the
00:37:11
GI Joe kind of feel from these guys they were very aware of their surroundings they were very fit physically young
00:37:18
dudes a lot of them wanted to go into law enforcement at some point in their careers we actually we actually had one
00:37:26
guy that was not physically fit at all it was like this little he should have stayed in the truck right because
00:37:31
there's like a little Russian guy and he'd always come in always be so pissed off about everything right and then like
00:37:38
so you'd have coin and and so not only would they drop off the money to you which they would like put nice and neat
00:37:44
on their little uh dolly or whatever so then once you gave them bags and other stuff they didn't have time to like put
00:37:52
it back on their Dolly so this guy he never wanted to take two trips so he would just be like waddling out
00:38:00
with this money like just sweating caring as much as possible to avoid the second trip yeah it's I I will never
00:38:07
forget that guy because he was pissed off every Tuesday when I'd be like I got tons of coins for you well no problem I
00:38:14
do this myself it's got to be a stressful job you know it's a high risk job as we will see in this particular
00:38:21
story as well and I think obviously they probably want to spend as little time out of outside of that truck as possible
00:38:27
well for this particular pickup this was going to be a pickup from a movie theater this is an AMC 24 movie theater
00:38:34
in Phoenix Arizona they had the same like what they would call drop point where the truck would pull up and park
00:38:43
in the same area every time the one single guard would get out of the truck the truck is then locked by the driver
00:38:49
from the inside and then the guard goes in and collects the money well and they do this like my bank was on a corner and
00:38:58
their their pickup spot was always um you know they they have to have an exit plan right so they would park you know
00:39:06
on the curb but like if anything went down they had a straight away to turn right so
00:39:13
um so they do this every time and if somebody was parked in that spot they would just Loop
00:39:19
around until they could be as close to that spot as possible yeah yeah well I was once told to move my vehicle by one
00:39:27
of these uh guards by one of the trucks I guess I was blocking their spot or their getaway spot like you had said and
00:39:34
then what do you say to him you go not my problem no I just said yes sir and I moved my car uh I said not my problem
00:39:41
and then he pulled a gun on me and I was forced to move my car well this is at 10
00:39:47
A.M on a Monday and their job here is going to be to pick up money from this movie theater so they Park in their
00:39:53
designated spot now it sounds to me like the guard had a considerable amount of distance to walk to get into the movie
00:40:00
theater to collect this money or waddle yeah well this is a 24 year old Keith palomares he is the guard that's going
00:40:09
to get out of the truck right okay so around 10 a.m that morning as palomares is making his way back to the truck and
00:40:18
he gets just to you know at the movie theater where they sell the the tickets at the ticket kiosk and sometimes it's
00:40:24
outside of the movie theater he's walking just past them when he's approached by a man this is a hooded man
00:40:32
and he's got a gun he ambushes the guard unfortunately the guard is armed but does not have time to defend himself he
00:40:41
is shot at six times at close range and five of the Six Bullets that were fired struck the guard in the head yeah
00:40:50
because these individuals also wear bulletproof vest and and so the the gun used in this attack was
00:40:59
um well it was going to be this 45 caliber semi-automatic Glock right um that we had discussed earlier that brown
00:41:06
had purchased from the awesome guns in range in Salt Lake City um police won't know this exactly at
00:41:13
this time unfortunately the young guard only 24 years of age he died at the scene and the gunman immediately took
00:41:23
the bag of money from the guard and this contained fifty six thousand dollars in
00:41:29
cash now the gunman he ran into an alley and he was seen leaving the scene on a bicycle well and he he had to know
00:41:39
somebody because you know your drops are different every week so you know there'd
00:41:45
be times that we you would have to order money you know so brings would bring us
00:41:49
the order of money well sometimes I mean I'd be in the back room and I'd have to
00:41:53
you know count maybe two hundred thousand dollars worth of cash that's what I ordered but they're be other
00:41:59
weeks where maybe we only ordered large or or a certain number of bills and it could be as little as fifteen hundred
00:42:07
dollars right so the fact that he's going to be walking away with fifty six thousand dollars anybody listening and
00:42:12
going hey this sounds like a great idea the chances of it being that large every
00:42:18
time there was a drop at the movie theater I would say is extremely low so I wonder if he knew some individual that
00:42:25
worked there well the other thought here Captain is that it would have been after
00:42:30
the Thanksgiving Day weekend right um so I don't know if that if that created a longer terminal questions so sorry to
00:42:38
cut you off but question so is is this after the individual picks up the money or are they dropping off money the they
00:42:46
are picking up money from the movie theater I was a little confused but okay so then he would have some knowledge
00:42:52
that we know that that's one of the biggest weekends all year and so yeah okay that makes a little more sense to
00:42:58
me sorry sorry about that and so so police immediately are believing that this is a planned crime you know that
00:43:06
this guy didn't just happen to be in the area with a gun and decided oh there's an armed guard I'll go rob him they they
00:43:12
believe this to be planned like you said it's a big movie we weekend and this guy
00:43:17
is leaving the movie theater he's the attacker knew that the guard would be armed knew that he would be wearing a
00:43:25
bulletproof vest right and immediately Fires at the head of the Guard well police originally in their
00:43:31
investigation they start hearing stories of a guy that had been hanging around the mall I'm sorry around the movie
00:43:39
theater for weeks and this was a guy that was that drove a silver BMW now the only problem here though is he
00:43:48
doesn't match the description by eyewitnesses on the day that the guard is shot on that day Witnesses described
00:43:56
the shooter as somebody being 25 to 30 years old and Hispanic well the guy that had been hanging around the movie
00:44:02
theater for weeks in his silver BMW was a white guy but he did fit the age uh that the witnesses had stated a couple
00:44:10
days later police locate the bicycle that the guy had fled on well on this bicycle they find a bunch of
00:44:19
fingerprints well they match these fingerprints to a guy named Jason Derek Brown remember he was fingerprinted when
00:44:26
he purchased that gun and signed up for the Firearms class and and looking at Jason there's no way you would mistake
00:44:33
him as a Hispanic individual um so that that's kind of a little strange to me it is a little strange but I will
00:44:42
throw this out there when I said he's got that kind of California surfer dude look yeah or he has the blonde hair too
00:44:48
you know the bleach well it's frosted tips yeah and he but he's he's pretty tan in a lot of these pictures that you
00:44:57
see and he would have been hooded you know he's wearing a hoodie when he attacked the guard so they might have
00:45:02
only been able to see a small portion of his face right and we have his fingerprints that were on the bike the
00:45:09
getaway bike and we have his fingerprints from the shooting range totally awesome gun store yeah so now
00:45:16
the police are armed with his name they have a name it's Jason Derek Brown and they make an announcement that they're
00:45:22
looking for this guy jdb because of the shooting that took place in front of the
00:45:26
movie theater well there's a local guy and he hears the name in the news report and he contacts the police department
00:45:35
and he says I met this guy I actually met him the day before the guard was shot to death
00:45:42
he was out somewhere and he had parked his truck and there was a guy out there practicing it like shooting you know
00:45:49
he's he's firing his gun off doing some practice shooting okay and he had these um like paper plates that he was
00:45:57
shooting at and using them as as targets well remember we said he was a very inexperienced shooter right yeah he
00:46:04
accidentally shot this guy's truck So what had happened was the guy he approaches him and he's like look man
00:46:12
you you just shot my truck and so this dude and he he says he's very you know California Surfer looking kind of dude
00:46:19
shot my truck and he he agreed to pay me thirteen hundred dollars in Damages for
00:46:26
the Bullet Hole in the truck and he wrote out some kind of contract uh result you know what was the result of
00:46:35
what happened and how they decided to work this out he wrote it out on some of those paper plates that he was using as
00:46:40
targets and he signed his name Jason Brown and so this guy brought these paper plates to the officers and said look
00:46:49
this this is the dude I saw him out practice shooting the day before this crime went down sure enough they matched
00:46:56
the bullet that is in this truck to be that of the same bullets that were used to kill the guard so not only do we have
00:47:04
this so they could do a ballistic test you know comparing uh the bullet holes of the paper plates and the bullet holes
00:47:11
on the victim yeah so now you have Fingerprints of this guy on the getaway bicycle as well as matching the bullets
00:47:18
uh that he signed a paper plate saying that he was using the day before this guy was shot so where are they at now on
00:47:26
this investigation well before we I bring you totally up to speed you know as soon as he was named and identified
00:47:32
as the suspect in this case uh they they traced him around and followed him around the United States for quite some
00:47:39
time uh they were tracking him to uh Henderson Nevada which he fled from from Arizona he had also traveled to Las
00:47:48
Vegas at one point there he swapped out his cars remember they were looking for this silver BMW it was one of those uh
00:47:55
series three and they were looking for this vehicle well he swapped out this vehicle in Nevada where he's he started
00:48:03
driving a black cattle Cadillac Escalade ball uh well after he switched out these
00:48:09
vehicles Captain he drove back to California remember he's got family there right and he would actually stay
00:48:14
with some relatives until the police were once again on his Trail now here's a very disconcerting thing here his
00:48:23
relatives admit that he stayed there but originally they tell the police that yeah he you just missed him by like an
00:48:31
hour or two we don't know where he went but he left here in his silver BMW well the police get smart right they're
00:48:39
they're not stupid they're like okay you're housing this fugitive and you're going to tell us you know you don't know
00:48:46
where he went but this is what he's driving so the police immediately are like we're not looking for a guy in a
00:48:51
silver BMW we're not putting that out on our Bia on the lookout for we're gonna put it out that he could be driving a
00:48:57
silver BMW or any other type of vehicle right it was after this that they do learn at some point that they were lied
00:49:04
to by the relatives and that he was in fact in a black Cadillac Escalade by that point well they should be charged
00:49:10
and locked up I think if they did that guess who's going to be well he's not going to turn himself in because he only
00:49:16
gives a [ __ ] about himself for one and but you know but but they need to put pressure on the family I think that's
00:49:23
the right thing to do well in 2005 the authorities found Brown's Cadillac in the long-term parking lot at a Portland
00:49:31
Oregon Airport okay now while he was in Portland they learned that brown had been mailing packages of clothing and
00:49:40
golf equipment to his brother David John Brown who was still in San Diego again okay we have a case where your family is
00:49:48
lying so you're you're lying to the police you're harboring a fugitive right so charge them with something oh he's
00:49:56
mailing stuff to his brother charges brother I mean it's ridiculous I mean he killed
00:50:02
an innocent person that was doing nothing but his job a young man you know you know providing for himself probably
00:50:10
maybe even his family and and this ass wipe with frosted tips is running around all over you know sending golf supply so
00:50:19
you can go play golf somewhere that's ridiculous answer that this family is one uh this is a this is not a family
00:50:26
tree this is a family pile of [ __ ] well I like that you're getting so worked up
00:50:30
Captain because and I tell you why because like you said earlier people look at the top 10 list and they're like
00:50:36
this guy he killed one person and he's on this list how does he make the list and I I think when you really think
00:50:44
about this crime and think about the guy that perpetrated it this Jason Brown he knew he knew when he woke up that
00:50:54
morning that if he saw the guard he was going to kill the guy for nothing other than just greed just straight up greed
00:51:01
to make off with as much money as he who knows how much he thought he was going to get out of this but regardless of
00:51:06
what he thought he was going to get out of it he took away someone's life took someone away from their family
00:51:12
permanently for fifty thousand dollars well and I'd assume too that these money trucks fall under the same guidelines as
00:51:20
Banks do and so it becomes you know if you rob a bank that's a federal offense and so same with armored vehicles you
00:51:29
are exactly right it is considered a federal offense to rob the armed truck um regarding his family we mentioned his
00:51:37
brother David Brown he was indicted for obstruction of justice um and the the indictment also claims
00:51:45
that he tampered with evidence because he cleaned out Jason's BMW in early December of that year so he was involved
00:51:55
in helping him obtain that other vehicle or switch out those two vehicles right but we know it's his gun we know it's
00:52:02
his fingerprints but again it's obstruction of justice because there's probably more evidence in that car and
00:52:09
and that's what they're angry about now in 2005 the FBI had more than 200 leads in this case the majority of the leads
00:52:18
were from outside of Arizona and dozens were coming from outside of the United States including possible sightings in
00:52:24
Canada well come on Canada help us out here well the FBI says that they have more leads on Jason Brown than anyone
00:52:31
else on the FBI's most wanted list but they said that most of these leads have been unhelpful
00:52:39
um you had mentioned we had mentioned Sean Penn earlier right that he Bears a close resemblance or people have stated
00:52:45
that he looks somewhat like Sean Penn I think a lot of that's coming from his wanted poster that picture of him
00:52:51
wearing the red hoodie that was the picture that was taken of him when he was trying to obtain that conceal and
00:52:57
carry license so that was a relatively recent photo of him right before the crime now in a strange twist here one of
00:53:05
Sean Penn's body doubles was once mistakenly arrested by authorities who thought he was Jason Brown and I'll post
00:53:14
some pictures of Jason Derek Brown on our Instagram page at True Crime garage investigators over the years have been
00:53:20
presented with many different theories regarding where he could be hiding out or the location of Jason Derek Brown one
00:53:27
of the theories that seems to come up a lot with him is that maybe he committed suicide and they've just not found his
00:53:33
body yet right now there's an investigator that's worked this case for many years and he says in in an
00:53:40
interview he says you know what I don't want to get into the psychology of this whole thing I'm not going to try to get
00:53:45
into the criminal's head but he says you know this guy is a narcissist at the highest level he thinks way too much of
00:53:52
himself and he says you know I don't think that this guy would kill himself he was greedy enough to put his life
00:53:58
above anybody else's just to commit a murder out of greed to take fifty six thousand dollars well let's think about
00:54:05
this for a second maybe maybe he's right right he's a narcissist this is a greedy
00:54:10
act you know he a malicious act to you know kill somebody for for what gain for some monetary gain but this is an
00:54:18
individual that you know his appearances important to him you know his hairline is running away from his face you know
00:54:25
he he was driving a BMW he's all about appearances and he can't keep that appearance up so I could see somebody
00:54:33
then coming to the you know reality to go you know well my life was a sham none of these things matter or they shouldn't
00:54:41
have mattered to begin with and and then often himself well and sometimes being on the run for so long it creates its
00:54:48
own stresses and can do things to a person over time there was a credible sighting of him in 2008 this was August
00:54:57
of 2008. a person that knew him recognized Brown at a traffic light in Salt Lake City he said that the person
00:55:07
that brown looked over at him and recognized him back and when this took place that brown ran the traffic light
00:55:14
now so we have a situation where Captain you know there is a reward for everybody
00:55:19
that is on the top 10 list the minimum reward is a hundred thousand dollars they've done doubled the reward for
00:55:26
Jason Derek Brown it's two hundred thousand dollars at this time another theory that the authorities have thrown
00:55:32
out there is that they believe he could possibly be hiding amongst the Mormon Community under an assumed identity
00:55:39
remember he has a lot of traces back to that Salt Lake City area and he was also
00:55:45
seen there in 2008 they believe that he might be living with a woman kind of mooching off of her somebody that may
00:55:53
not know his real identity he seems like the type they also say that it's possible that he did flee the country
00:55:59
and they would believe that he could be living in France or Thailand is also noted I don't know what the the
00:56:07
background is regarding Thailand yeah that seems a little more likely to me I mean you know we talked about that he
00:56:13
was overseas for a small period Well Jason Derrick Brown has gone by many aliases over the years including Jason
00:56:20
Brown Derek Brown Greg Johnson hairline Johnson we also have Greg Johnson and John Brown and Jay Brown so he's used
00:56:29
many names over the years who knows if he's still using one of those names but remember you know if you see anybody on
00:56:36
this list and again we encourage you to go to fbi.gov and check out these this sorry hairline Johnson yeah that's what
00:56:44
we're just going to glaze over that one yeah uh we are but we encourage everybody to go look at the faces of the
00:56:51
people that we mentioned on today's program and tomorrow's program and familiarize yourself with them and their
00:56:58
description you know Jason was listed as five foot ten blonde hair medium build 170 to 180 pounds at the time that he
00:57:07
has fled he has green eyes um again speaks fluent French and maybe using any of those aliases but keep in
00:57:15
mind if you see or you think you have any information regarding somebody that's on this list all these people are
00:57:21
extremely dangerous people these are this is not somebody that you want to approach you want to notify authorities
00:57:27
and let them do their job yes definitely don't don't be going uh Karate Kid on them don't go rough machio on them but
00:57:36
we got a lot more to get to tomorrow and it's getting late so yeah we're up against it and there are several more
00:57:41
people that we want to discuss some open cases that we will discuss on tomorrow's
00:57:46
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