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[Music] crime I want to start off by going through some things that took place in
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the Alisa Sherman case this year in 2017 so when this year rolled in just under 4
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years after the murder of 53-year-old Alisa Sherman MH the case remained unsolved despite investigators best
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efforts and billboards Seeking Justice for Alisa and a circle of family and friends who kept her memory alive and
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the case alive Alisa Sherman's daughter Jennifer she has led marches vigils and benefits in her mother's name and worked
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to become an advocate for women who face domestic abuse and filed a civil suit against her father yeah there nothing
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causes more tension than family suing family and when we left off with episode three we were talking about Gregory
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Moore Gregory Moore was Alisa's attorney who had been charged with inducing panic
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as far as calling in three different bomb threats right and as well as he has been indicted on charges that may
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pertain to Alisa's cases remember the investigator stated that this guy he's got some questions to
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answer and hopefully that stuff will come out in court the investigators are wondering why Gregory Moore would not
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talk with them if he didn't have anything to hide why would he not speak with them right but they also caught him
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in a couple lies yes so Gregory Moore he originally faced up to three years in prison for all of these charges but
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after what I'm sure was some kind of deal that was struck because he originally faced a lot more charges than
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this more ended up pleading guilty to felony inducing panic and misdemeanor falsification charges for the phony
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statements given to the police a kyoga County Judge imposed the sentence this was of 180 days and the sentence also
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included 3 years of Probation and 350 hours of community service once Moore was released from the kyoga county jail
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so Gregory Moore was to report to jail on June 1st of this year and serve 90 days of his 180 days in prison so
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they're going to split it in half let him serve the first part and then the second part ye well after that the judge
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ordered him to spend one full week in jail in each of the following 12 months oh okay and while he would be out he
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would be monitored by GPS uh when he's not in jail why does he get why they give him special privileges this serve
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your 180 days and be done with it the judge told more during the court proceedings you've taken everything an
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attorney stands for and turned it upside down I agree 100% with that I don't fully agree with the with the sentence
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here the sentence almost to me makes as little sense as the bomb threats that he
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called in right okay so it sounds to me with that statement that the judge would
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like to hold more to some kind of I mean how do you how do you make that statement not hold him to a higher
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standard because he's basically a clerk of the court almost I mean he's an attorney he's taken a oath with the
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state of Ohio MH and the some of the charges actually all of the charges that he's involved in are some form of
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obstruction of justice right calling in the bomb threats to delay Court proceedings lying to your client lying
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to the police well not to mention the wasted taxpayer money for you know having to move the the court dates to
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close down those courts yeah and I think the thing here is I think this more guy got off easy I
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mean he really he kind of begged and pleaded with the court saying you know I'm a family man now I'm married I have
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a one-year-old I don't know if he has a son or daughter but he has a one-year-old
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child and to me I don't understand this I think you either throw the book at him
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or I it just makes no sense to me and the thing is why not just like you said either serve just make him serve the
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sentence and be done with it right right instead of this hey you can come back one week out of every month of the
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following year and serve serve one week and then we're going to let you out and then you come back for another week
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weird right but weird stuff right but we have a lawyer that uh works for you know
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a pretty successful uh Law Firm they do big you know probably multi multi million doll
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divorces and he's white so that's why they gave him a break hey you serve 90 days and then we'll break it up a week
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each month well I don't know that I want to get into the head of the judge and say that's why he was leening on him I
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mean the guy lost his license to practice law in the state of Ohio well he should have right well exactly well
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so therefore he's upon the sentencing he's no longer an attorney MH with anyone now now Gregory Moore ignored
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questions from reporters as he entered and exited the courtroom during those proceedings he apologized to his family
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and said he regrets daily his actions that have affected people that are here with us today and people that are not
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Gregory Moore never mentioned Alisa Sherman by name or he never apologized to her family either right because the
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guy's a piece of [ __ ] so Ian he's a liar and he's not going to take responsibility for any involvement he
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had in her death now regarding the uh and I don't know that this is what it was in fact called because I think her
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name has a hyphen in it now but regarding the Sherman verse Sherman lawsuit where Jennifer argued funds
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belonged to Alisa's estate since she was the sole proprietor of the account and had this issue been resolved in court it
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may have belonged to Alisa upon the divorce right Sanford contended that the funds were considered marital assets
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used for supporting the family and therefore never belonged solely to Alisa 4 months after Jennifer filed the
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suit against Sanford her older brother Josh filed a motion to remove her as co-executive of Alisa's estate in the
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motion he alleged his sister had a separate agenda she viewed Samford as a person of interest in the death of their
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mother and therefore could not act on behalf of Alisa's estate without bias right which makes some sense but you got
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a family that's already gone through a bunch you know before the murder took place and now you have this murder and
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now you have a a house even more divided because it seems to me that she believes
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that her father was responsible in some way and it seemed like her brothers do not uh share that same feeling well Josh
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eventually dropped his claim and um he eventually dropped this claim after the lawsuit was filed okay then in December
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of 2017 so just this month all sides agreed to settle the civil suit so sford Sherman agreed to pay
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$110,000 to Alisa's estate with the stipulation that Jennifer would forever never release and discharge him from any
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claims they might make in the future Jennifer agreed to Sanford stipulation with one addendum if in the future he is
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convicted of any criminal offense related to her mother's death she reserves the right to renew her fight
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and make further claims against him okay this is pretty interesting little bit to
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unpack though I mean so he's given her a very very small percent of what really she's fighting for but he is saying hey
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um and this agreement works and she's saying well the only way it doesn't work is if we can convict you of this crime
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right right if he's ever facing any type of criminal charges regarding her case you know he doesn't necessarily have to
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be convicted of murder or anything like that we're talking about Gregory Moore just lying to Alisa and lying to police
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is convicted of a criminal charge uh regarding Alisa's case so right so if he you know if her father lied to law
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enforcement then that's enough for her to reopen up her case yeah or lied in any of the depositions that he gave in
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the lawsuit case in regards to discussing information between him and his wife and dealings between him and
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his uh now deceased wife yeah this just seems like a case that has so many twists and turns that you can't even
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make up I mean you going to write this well I don't know that I agree with the twist and turns and the reason why
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there's twist and turns is because the way that they come out and the way that they're eventually presented to the
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public when you really nail this story down there were not a lot of twist and turns along the way and what I mean by
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that there are two things one a lot of the things that were going on between Alisa and her husband came out during
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the lawsuit that came out well after she was killed okay these were all things that both of them knew that they were
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dealing with both of them knew that they were going on and happenings that were taking place for the most part that
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Alisa knew about and for the most part that that Sanford knew about right this just didn't come out to the public until
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after she was murdered these are things that would have very likely have come out during the divorce
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proceedings the other thing is these bomb threats technically he made all three of those bomb threats during the
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course of working her case well before it ever went to trial in 20 2013 he he did that last bomb that
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threat Gregory Moore did in July of 2012 this thing was not going to go to trial
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until March of 2013 March 25th or 26th right so that was old news now the thing that is the twist and turn that comes
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out in this is that the attorney is not where he said he would be on that day that's the Twist and that's the turn for
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me that's the big one it seems like sford was um cooperating with police in the beginning it seems like Gregory
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Moore was cooperating with police in the beginning MH I think that a lot of the reasoning why sford probably
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stopped cooperating with police was at some point he was facing a lawsuit he has a whole other case to deal with yeah
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and probably you know his attorneys probably advised him too I mean right well yeah yeah they would advise him to
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say let's focus on this lawsuit we can deal with the police once this stuff is over with and furthermore as far as
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Gregory Moore goes that that's that's the Twist and Turn he agreed with the he he agreed to
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cooperate with police in the beginning why that was just to make him look like he was doing what he said he was doing
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it wasn't until he was presented with evidence that he was not in fact doing what he was saying he was doing that the
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that he decided hey he clammed up and said nope not talking anymore well he seems like such a chronic liar and you
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know I'm going to lie about these bomb you know calling these bomb threats to get out of my job get out of my
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responsibilities oh I'll talk to the police I'm not going to give him correct information I can lie my way out of this
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but they caught him in the LIE where this leaves us is this Gregory Moore denies having anything to do with
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Alisa's murder and he is technically not considered a suspect Sanford Sherman denies having anything to do with
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Alisa's murder as well and again not technically considered a suspect police won't say they will not say whether the
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divorce attorney and Alisa's husband have any ties together so who is the person in the hooded jacket caught on
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surveillance video cops could never identify who that was my thoughts Sanford's friend describes the murder to
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a te with that perfect murder plot described to him from his friend sford was at home and I put a question mark by
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that Jennifer and Jeremy statements state that sford was at home at 7:45 p.m. the body type is not the same as
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the person seen in the video so sford his body type yeah correct could sford have hired someone
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to kill his wife and potentially save him $2 million or who knows how much more money yes it's very possible MH but
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when I sit here when I try to look at these two suspects and wonder who was involved in this case and who was not I
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often wonder would Samford have even known where Alisa would have been when she was killed three people lived in the
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Sanford house that day and Jeremy did not know where Alisa was going that day and how about this perfect murder
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situation okay so the perfect murder murder is not just getting away with murder not just setting things up and
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putting them into place so that you can kill someone and the police never be able to tie it to you or have enough
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evidence to put you away no in my opinion the perfect murder is killing someone getting away with it and then
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getting someone else to take the fall that way you don't have this Shadow on you for the rest of your days mhm I
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think it's possible that maybe what Gregory Moore went for for or may have gotten away with of course no one took
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the fall but maybe he thought there was enough of a history with Alisa and her husband that the police and the general
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public would never look beyond that right because like always the number one suspect is the you know normally the
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husband and like we said earlier Moore was originally scheduled to meet with Alisa on Saturday the day before she was
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killed I stated that I'm uncertain certain if that meeting actually occurred but one thing we do know is he
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Gregory Moore was the one that scheduled the meeting for Sunday the day she was killed now he was pushing the meeting
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back that day according to these text messages it's possible they met on Saturday and then he asked for
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additional time with her on Sunday or push Saturday's meeting to Sunday right right and either way I mean I don't
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think that really matters I mean because if he I don't think you're saying that he would actually do the crime him
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himself is that what you're saying about Gregory well I'll take you through this
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because what I want to point out here is regardless he scheduled the meeting he pushed the time back on Sunday he told
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Alisa he was in his office when he clearly was not he told the police the same the police have some evidence
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pointing them to the fact that Moore was in his office until an hour before and then back in his office an hour after
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the murder so for roughly a 60-minute window he is gone from his office during the time that he told Alisa and the
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police that he was in his office and then she is killed out front during that same time frame and while I think
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Samford would be someone that you should possibly look at as someone that would hire a hit on his wife mhm the Gregory
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Moore guy strikes me as more of a DM a do murder yourself kind of guy he called in the bomb threats himself dumb enough
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to use his own cell phone then he uses his cell to communicate with Alisa minutes before her death lying about
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where he was and here's the thing if he were the Hitman hiring type well then why not just be in your office
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that's a great Alibi I was in my office for a for our scheduled meeting I went downstairs to unlock the door to let her
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in and then I heard her screams I rushed outside I found her bleeding badly on the sidewalk I comforted her and I
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called 911 the perfect Alibi if he were to hire someone Moore is not that smart then we have the scenario and I know a
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lot of people are thinking this because they just can't let go of the husband did it Theory the thought is well maybe
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the husband hired the the attorney to kill Alisa or hired the attorney to find someone to kill Alisa
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the problem I have with that sford is not that dumb that my friends is the plan of a [ __ ] right I'll call or talk
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to my wife's divor divorce attorney and ask him to assist me in her murder okay here's your case on a silver
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platter and oh and not only will you have a successful case for the divorce where my wife gets all of the money and
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everything we own I'll have to go to prison as well Sanford is a retired very successful
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doctor that's not him that's not the plan that this guy makes then the question for more
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becomes being a prime suspect is motive what could be his motive his motive may have just be as dumb as this that he was
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unprepared for court and he killed her right well that's a stretch a lot of people would say I don't think so he
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called in three bomb threats on three separate occasions to government buildings let me throw this scenario at
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you that's a felony my friends and and had someone picture this he calls in this bomb picturing it right now that's
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a felony had someone an elderly man or woman had a heart attack when they started evacuating the building that day
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well Mr lawyer boy would have been charged with the death of that individual during during the course of
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committing a felony the other thing here with Gregory Moore and this is not very
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scientific but there is something severely off about this guy I've stared at his picture and I've looked at a lot
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of bad people's photos and he gives me that same very bad feeling that I cannot put my finger on it bad feeling that I
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get when I see a bad person I just feel that he is the evil coward that they are
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looking for I think Jennifer and the Sherman family should file some type of wrongful death suit against him heck you
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were awarded some of that money from the lawsuit that would be a really good use
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for it and I think there are things in investigatively that will be that could be done that you may not be able to do
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in criminal proceedings through the local law enforcements that may bring something to light where you can see
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today all right cheers mates happy holiday Cheers Cheers Cheers Cheers happy holidays so I guess my question
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for you is looking at this footage and it's roughly about a minute long footage that they have of the surveillance tape
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and if you want to go check that out it's right on the homepage of true Crim garage.com uh also there's clips of that
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on our Instagram at True Crime garage now looking at this we can pull up and watch the videotape but we do have at
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least images of Gregory Moore and we do have images of the husband right Sanford
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Sherman so my question to you and and listeners as well does any of these to either of these two individuals
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fit what we're seeing on the surveillance camera I I definitely sford does not fit what I
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see on the surveillance camera I cannot rule out Gregory Moore I don't think that uh the surveillance camera provides
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enough detail as far as height and weight for me to rule him out his body type is not um totally off in my opinion
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yeah he seems a little thicker than the individual in the footage to me possibly
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if but but the thing that I try to remind myself is when we look at this what assumptions are we making
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about the coat or the jacket or the hoodie that's being worn in the surveillance are we are we looking at
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this thing and going well this is adding padding and it's adding weight and it's
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adding size to this person there's a chance it's not adding much to this person at all I I just here
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okay and here's another problem that I go back to regarding this surveillance footage and I and I kind of forgot to
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bring this up the other day when we were discussing it where does this person come from yeah
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we don't have any cameras that that freaking bothers me like you wouldn't believe and I'll tell you what there has
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to be footage uh more footage than this well I guarantee you that rumor that was
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going around that there's actual camera footage of the murder I believe that that's the case and of course they're
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not going to release that it doesn't help anybody in the public to see that no but they can do certain things to
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figure out what the size of the individual is not only height but width right and I think that would be a big
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help right right but the other thing again I'm going back to where did this person come from and I think that could
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help the investigation in some form because look we're we're shown footage of this person obviously fleeing the
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scene they're going this person's either running to a building going to run to hiding somewhere or run to a vehicle
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right where did this person come from this person I'm guessing this person did not come from the same same direction
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there are cameras all over this section of downtown Cleveland MH there is very likely footage of this
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individual arriving to the crime scene and then attacking her and then fleeing I just I can't figure out where this
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person came from and that's the other that's the problem I have with the attorney I look he put her there at that
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exact time he delayed her leaving there at that exact time he left his office roughly an hour before and and an hour
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afterwards I think I said a 60-minute window that's incorrect that would be about an hour and 20 minute
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window I'm sorry I'm still screwing that up that's a 2hour window let's say let's say it's
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roughly a 2-hour window maybe two and a half hours at that well it's you know this is good holiday beer you know
00:28:51
that's the perfect amount of time to to pretend to be in your office to get her to go there leave change into this
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disguise Run come running from God knows where attack her flee the scene returning to I'm guessing a vehicle or
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another building or something like that and changing out of those clothes and returning to your office it's the
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perfect amount of time and here's the other problem whether you think it's the perfect amount of time or not I don't
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need you to agree with me the problem is this where the hell were you if you're innocent of this attack you would think
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you would be screaming it from the mountain tops going all right I lied to her uhhuh I went to IHOP and I had a I
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had a stack of pancakes like you wouldn't believe I was just being ignorant I didn't have anything to
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discuss with her I was avoiding I was avoiding the meeting or not only here's the receipt just say you were someplace
00:29:47
else just give us some damn place that you were I was in a park bench nobody saw me nobody saw me leave nobody saw me
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arrive nobody saw me I was in a place where no body could see me I was in the middle of a field out in the middle of
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nowhere give us some explanation other than going I was in my office well sir we can prove you were not at that time
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okay well I'm not talking to you anymore right but law enforcement has to do you know I don't want to say better
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job because I don't think that's fair but that you know now that he's not talking to you that's the cat and mouse
00:30:22
game right here's here's something interesting that I want to bring up on this footage now this is of the video I
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posted again that's at true Crim garage.com 55 seconds we're pretty clear that this is some kind of vehicle um so
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55 it looks like a four-door sedan let's say to give you a a size idea of what we're looking at this individual is
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clearly taller than this car well yeah yeah and and and like I said before I was thinking maybe that this uh suspect
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is 5455 which would rule out a lot of women but here I think this clearly states
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that my initial thoughts are wrong the size of those shoulders in comparison to the height of the rooftop of that
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vehicle makes me believe this would be a a person a man a male of somewhat average size right and so again you know
00:31:16
like I said I think this individual runs like a girl but so does Steven Seagal right
00:31:23
so and here's another thing too is if you notice all the pictures of Moore right he kind of has this uh rounded
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back everything's rounded back mhm uh not so much there I pull up a picture that but
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he kind of has this rounded back and you can clearly see when the when the individual is running away when you see
00:31:49
the Kia sign and you see the Valene sign when you see it running away you can clearly see more of a rounded back yeah
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I'm convinced it's him I mean I'll go on the record saying that I think it was him I think he did it himself and I
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think that for reasons we may never understand I don't think he was hired by by uh Alisa's husband at all to do
00:32:12
this I I really just I mean there's there's nothing that doesn't point to him for me now that would be a Twist and
00:32:20
Turn is the distraction I think I think the things that people think point away from him they're just distractions
00:32:26
they're not technically things point away from him they're just weird suspicions that you have about the
00:32:30
husband all things that we pointed out through along this I think people get clouded with everything going on with
00:32:36
the husband I think that the divorce really clouds things right there you're really talking about when you boil it
00:32:42
down regarding sford the only motive he has is money you know some people go well but but that's two million reasons
00:32:49
no no no I get that I get that but we've also learned that that he occurred over
00:32:54
$800,000 in transfer fees and penalty when he moved that money around so now we're talking about 1.2 million right
00:33:01
right and I get I get it people have killed people for less money I totally get it but the thing what I'm getting at
00:33:07
is when people go well he was a bad husband he was abusive he he had relationships outside the marriage and
00:33:13
he wanted the money the problem I have with that is when you boil it down to it the only motive he has is money get rid
00:33:20
of all those other problems that took place during the marriage because guess what in 2 days his marriage was over in
00:33:26
2 days his marriage was over running around behind his wife's back not a motive he was going to be free to date
00:33:32
whoever he wanted in a couple days uh-huh you know being a jerk and being abusive and being probably unhappy
00:33:39
himself in his home life that's over in two days for him the only motive he has at this point is money all right so with
00:33:48
the with the husband right yeah the big motive is money the other thing too is this
00:33:54
conversation of the perfect murder uh the the problem I have with this whole idea is he's not the one that came up
00:34:01
with the idea of what the perfect murder is you know it's it's some conversation
00:34:06
that he's having with a friend and also it's a friend of a law enforcement it's just not it's not like he went you know
00:34:13
he hung out with his buddy that's a dry cleaner and he's like hey man how do you
00:34:17
think you could get away with the perfect murder there are some people and you know this is like our whole lives
00:34:24
has become True Crime I'm drinking beer at a local pub you know and and somebody
00:34:30
goes what do you do for a living well you I got this show about true crime and they go oh what do you think about John
00:34:36
Bay Ramsey you know it's like normally when people are trying to start conversation they they go towards your
00:34:43
area of expertise right so he didn't come up with this idea and he also didn't even admit to having this
00:34:50
conversation so I don't know about that well in In fairness he wasn't even asked
00:34:55
if he had directly if he in fact had this conversation okay and the thing here is and you you hit something on
00:35:02
something very important and very key here we were not present for the entirety of that conversation where the
00:35:10
quote unquote perfect murder scenario is discussed there were several different reports giving this discussion one of
00:35:19
them says a couple of them say that this conversation happened on more than one occasion right there are others that
00:35:26
state that it was only a one-time conversation so we don't know which is correct but let's say this and I think
00:35:34
you hit on something very important here I'm guessing that because he's a doctor
00:35:40
he's quite a bit smarter than the old Nick sitting here in the garage that couldn't even figure out that an hour
00:35:46
before and an hour after a murder is 2 hours not one hour hey to be fair you have drank way more than your share of
00:35:54
beer so the thing I'm getting at is he probably he could be an intellectual and he may have just been having what he
00:36:01
considered to be an intellectual conversation with somebody that works in the law enforcement field what if at the
00:36:07
beginning of that conversation his friend in law enforcement says you know we were investigating that we
00:36:12
investigated that thing years ago and it it was almost like the perfect murder and he goes well how would one commit
00:36:19
the perfect murder or why is that a perfect murder you know it could have been talking about something outside of
00:36:26
that yeah and I and then the other point that I think the public really gets cloudy as
00:36:31
far as the husband goes is that you have one of his one of his children is not really on his side is not team Dad where
00:36:41
the other children are coming right out during the memorial and saying hey look my father had nothing to do with this
00:36:48
and you want to protect your father I mean but you know that your father is going to get questioned by the police he
00:36:53
obviously was cooperating with the police we both agreed he lowered lowered up that's fine mhm but the fact that the
00:37:00
daughter is you know still against him but in all fairness she was against him probably 3 four years before this yeah
00:37:09
it seems like they had had a falling out like you said three or four years at some point I believe it's she points to
00:37:17
2010 or 2011 when she had totally disowned her father and I'm with you I think then the other question is how
00:37:25
would he know where she's going to be there's a chance he didn't even know that okay all right this this is one
00:37:32
thing that I can't I have a problem getting over remember we talked about the scenario where he claims where
00:37:39
Sanford claims to and he did tell friends that he believed that she had purchased some kind of recording device
00:37:46
and was recording their conversations trying to get him to do something fly off the handle and then use it against
00:37:52
him later right from my understanding in these depositions sford did end up he ended up purchasing
00:38:00
his own recording device now Alisa made a statement to either one of her friends
00:38:07
or a relative that she believed she was being recorded when she was at home without sford having been there because
00:38:15
she thought from time to time he was quoting things that she said while on the phone with friends or relatives when
00:38:22
he was not in the room or not at home so that's how he could know if she in fact
00:38:29
had a phone call with her her lawyer right then possibly he could have overheard that and then the other
00:38:38
situation is we know that she had a phone call with her friend a couple days in advance because the friend offered to
00:38:45
go to the meeting with her where Alisa said no I don't need to go with you right right the problem with that though
00:38:53
is if you hire somebody to kill her for that meeting that you overheard when you're recording with some pen device or
00:39:00
whatever you purchased and you leave it in the kitchen or in her office or whatever this meeting keps it keeps
00:39:06
getting moved right it keeps getting moved when you don't know if somebody's going to go with her or not it's almost
00:39:12
being moved up to the point of just within hours of the crime going down so so what is he on a on the phone
00:39:18
constantly with the guy he hired going wait hold on I think the meeting just got moved and then think about the
00:39:24
chances of how many times she would he would have missed those additional conversations moving that meeting and a
00:39:32
lot of this communication from my understanding some of it took place via text message he would have heard nothing
00:39:38
right he would have no way of tracing that the meeting got moved to that time period yeah so then we go back to uh I
00:39:45
question that he that he even knew where she would be at that time on that day and then furthermore here's the other
00:39:51
thing who do you hire to kill her unless you hire somebody that knows her well there's problems with your target
00:40:00
too I know it sounds crazy but it has happened in the past where a husband or somebody has hired somebody a complete
00:40:06
stranger to kill somebody and they end up killing the wrong person you're talking about a murder that's committed
00:40:11
on a downtown street now I know that the downtown Cleveland can be you know a little quiet probably on a Sunday
00:40:20
evening but but still he could this individual could have totally attacked the wrong person
00:40:27
definitely I guess the only way that Sanford pulls it off in my mind is if he hired someone to not just kill her kill
00:40:34
her but instructed that individual or the individual was smart enough to follow her for an extended period of
00:40:40
time and wait and pick his pick his moment the problem with that is if everybody's doing what they say they're
00:40:46
going to do and if everybody's who they are at the end of the day then when this
00:40:52
individual killed Alisa Sherman was about the same time the exact same moment that her attorney should have
00:40:59
been standing at that entranceway holding the door open for her waiting to get his client in out of the cold right
00:41:07
but that lawyer was never there right so if it is if it if it is the husband the
00:41:13
part that doesn't make a lot of sense is she would have been in that office building right right like if everything
00:41:20
went as planned the door would have been open she would have been but the lawyer wasn't there yeah we
00:41:27
don't know where the lawyer was the lawyer Story the lawyer didn't even hear her screams because he wasn't there
00:41:34
right he was gone for there was an individual that wasn't terribly close to her that heard her screams and we know
00:41:40
that he runs like Steven Seagal we don't know that for sure we're just assuming personally I think that the police and
00:41:48
the investigators think that Gregory Moore did it too that's why I don't mind saying that I really believe that it was
00:41:53
him yeah and you can you can kind of hear that in the trailer from yesterday when they kind of say he's going to be
00:41:59
charged he's going to be charged in three different counties for those crimes he's going to you know Justice
00:42:04
will be served there that's what they say and they say that they think that more answers are going to come out while
00:42:09
he's in court well he ends up ping guilty in the end for this and I think it's because he didn't want to have to
00:42:14
give certain statements that would go on record yeah cuz I think some of it is just he can't keep track of his own
00:42:21
lies let me throw this at you too oh don't throw it too hard and this is why I and this is an inference that I'm
00:42:28
making but I this is what points to me that the investigators firmly believe he's suspect a number one uhhuh and we
00:42:36
all know and you know forget this idea that well they've never named him as a suspect or a person of interest screw
00:42:42
that they don't do that most smart police departments and law enforcement agencies don't do that anymore they name
00:42:47
somebody a suspect after they've slapped the cuffs on them and they're sitting in
00:42:51
a jail cell preparing for the trial okay right this is why I think that he's the
00:42:56
number one suspect in in in proof to me of that because he looks like a penis with a bad haircut yeah and the thing is
00:43:04
he committed that last bomb threat on J in July of 2012 right right it was within days that the law enforcement
00:43:13
were had tracked him down and were convinced that it was him that had called in that bomb threat so he was
00:43:19
charged with this thing fairly early after the third bomb threat he was slated to go to court and face those
00:43:28
charges in December of 2013 well what happened before he could go to court for those bomb
00:43:36
threats his his client is killed in front of his office in March right they didn't go to trial in December when did
00:43:45
they end up going to trial for this thing they end up going to trial for it this year in
00:43:49
2017 they end up going to trial for it three and a half years later right so not and this is why this is why this
00:43:57
makes him the number one suspect multiple motives well no but listen to this if if you were suspected of having
00:44:04
committed multiple criminal acts and I'm investigating those criminal acts but I
00:44:10
suspect you of others I can kind of investigate those while I'm looking into these bomb threats and while I get that
00:44:19
warrant to search your office and get that warrant to search your home and your car I can get those for the bomb
00:44:25
threats you called in even though because you have to have evidence you have to be able to convince a judge that
00:44:30
you deserve a warrant to look for items regarding the murder of Alisa Sherman right you might not have that evidence
00:44:37
you might not have reason to do that and I think that's why they waited to to bring it to trial for so long so that
00:44:44
they could look into him for other angles the thing is I think police have done their due diligence here I think
00:44:52
they have done as much well I shouldn't say as much as they can I think they're having problems putting him there at
00:45:00
that scene I think they're having problems putting him in that disguise and running from her her dying body and
00:45:09
that's the only thing stopping them from from bringing this to murder charges against this guy that's why I would love
00:45:18
to see if it's possible I don't know the ins and outs of this but if she's at a scheduled meeting that you kept changing
00:45:25
the time for and you lie to her saying you were there and you're not there and she dies on your doorstep right I
00:45:32
there's got to be on your locked door there's got to be a way to file some kind of wrongful death lawsuit against
00:45:39
this individual or and or against his Law Firm that he worked for at the time and
00:45:47
therefore it opens up the doors to further investigating this guy as possibly having killed your mother or
00:45:53
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