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[Music] foreign [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] USA Today ran an article about parents
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who killed their children or philicide the article cites three decades of FBI homicide data that shows on average 450
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children are killed every year by their parents Northeastern University criminologists
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Applied statistical models to the records USA Today analyzed the database for a detailed look at who kills who is
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killed and how several patterns are apparent the vast majority of child victims three out of
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four are under five years of age nearly half of all victims died from physical beatings or other injuries at
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the parents hands fathers are more likely to kill quote violence is a masculine Pursuit
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says Jack Levin a Northeastern University criminologist when mothers kill they are far more
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likely to kill victims under the age of one than children of any other age psychiatrists and criminologists say
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parents who killed their children tend to fit one of five categories a parent suffering a psychotic break
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a parent who thinks he is killing out of altruism because he doesn't want a child to grow
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up without him a parent acting out of revenge against a spouse or partner a parent who kills an unwanted child a
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parent who kills from neglect or recklessness quote they are all twisted perspectives
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of Love loyalty and altruism Levin says there are mixed motives in many of these
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cases when a parent is accused of killing a child it dominates headlines in social media
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people are fascinated by this says Sarah West a forensic psychiatrist at University Hospital's Case Medical
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Center in Cleveland it's an unfathomable concept this week we examine one of the most
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highly debated cases to come out of the great state of Texas a case that had everyone asking did the
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mommy do it Darley rotier was a young wife and mother of three but did she murder two
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of her sons that will be for you to decide this is true crime garage and this is the case
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of darlie rotier foreign [Music] True Crime writers is the great almost legendary status skip hollandsworth who
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writes for Texas monthly magazine and I'm using some paragraphs from a piece he did for Texas monthly's special crime
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issue back in July of 2002. here skip briefly takes us through some events leading up to the attack as well as
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events after the murder of two small boys the people in this True Crime Story are parents Darren and Darley rotier and
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their three sons Damon Devin and Drake on June 5th the boys played in the hot tub and that evening Damon and Devin
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huddled under blankets in front of a television Darren had just installed in the living room Darley and Darren would
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later say that they stayed up talking past midnight they kissed each other good night
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Darren went upstairs to the master bedroom where Drake then just seven months old was asleep while Darley
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curled up on the couch downstairs next to the two older boys she had been sleeping on the couch that
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week she said because she wanted to watch over Damon and Devin who had been spending the night downstairs since
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school let out and because she was a light sleeper and would sometimes be awakened by Drake turning over in his
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crib a few hours later a 9-1-1 dispatcher in roulette received a frantic call someone came in here Darley screamed
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they just stabbed me in my children in the early morning hours of June 6 1996. Devin rotier who was six and Damon
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five were murdered as they slept on the ground floor of the family's well-kept brick home and roulette a suburb east of
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Dallas Devin was stabbed twice in the chest with such force that the knife almost
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went all the way through his body Damon was stabbed half a dozen or more times in the back
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Darley who was also sleeping downstairs had two slice wounds to her right forearm and one in her left shoulder and
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her throat had been cut doctors said she survived only because the knife stopped two millimeters short
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of her carotid artery in a written statement given to the police a few days later Darley then 26
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told the following story she was awakened by Damon's cries of mommy mommy in the dark she didn't even notice she
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was hurt she saw a man moving through the kitchen and followed him as he went toward the
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garage when she got to the utility room she saw a knife and picked it up only then she said did she return to
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find Devin and Damon and realized that she had been stabbed too darley's husband Darren who was sleeping
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upstairs with their infant son Drake came downstairs after hearing his wife screams and began administering CPR to
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Devin by then the assailant had disappeared twelve days after Damon's and Devin's
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deaths the police arrested Darley for their murders they had no eyewitnesses no confession
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and no motive what they did have was an intriguing trail of circumstantial evidence that suggested there was no
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Intruder that night physical evidence suggested that Darley had staged the crime doctor's statements
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suggested her wounds were self-inflicted and there was a peculiar scene caught on
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videotape a few days after the murders on what would have been Devin's seventh birthday Darley drove to the cemetery
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with friends and family wished her son a happy birthday and then sprayed Silly String all over his grave
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quote here's a mother who has supposedly been the victim of a violent crime said
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Dallas County assistant district attorney Greg Davis the lead prosecutor in the case
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she has just lost two children and yet she's out there literally dancing on their graves after the murders Darley
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gave conflicting accounts of what exactly the Intruder had done to her one officer said she told him that she
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had struggled with her assailant on the couch another officer said she told him the
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struggle was at the kitchen counter a friend who talked to Darley while she was in the hospital said Darley told her
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that she remembered lying on the couch as the man was running the knife over her face but in her formal written
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statement to police Darley said her only view of the man came as he was walking away from the couch she said she just
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couldn't remember any distinct details about the attack or the killer except that he was wearing dark clothes and a
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baseball cap was it really possible that Darley who could be awakened by her baby
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moving in his crib had slept through the stabbings of her sons a few feet away now Captain roulette PD were suspicious
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regarding darlie early in their investigation saying that they were tipped off by a few different things one
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being the 9-1-1 call darley's Behavior and the crime scene evidence versus darley's account of the
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events of that night we're gonna play a little clip of her 911 call it's really hard to make out what's happening but
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just so you can hear her energy on the call and then how intense the call is [Music]
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ready thank you ma'am [Music] I was trying to get an ambulances [Music] [Applause]
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[Music] [Laughter] [Music] calm down and talk to me [Music] Eagles man listen listen to me
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and that was just the brief start of a call that came into the Rowlett Police Department June 6 1996 at 2 31 A.M
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and because the police are saying that this is one of the things that pointed them toward Darley as being their prime
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suspect in the murder of her two sons I think that we should go through the transcript of that call to see if we
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agree with their assessment and reading for the responders will have the captain
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and reading for Darley rotir you have yours truly roulette 911 what is your emergency somebody came here they broke
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in ma'am they just stabbed me and my children what they stabbed me and my kids my little boys who who did my
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little boy is dying hang on hang on hang on hurry stand by for medical emergency
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ma'am hang on ma'am ma'am unknown medical emergency 5801 Eagle Drive ma'am ma'am I'm trying
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to get an ambulance to you hang on a minute oh my God my babies are dying what's going on ma'am oh my God thought
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he was dead oh my God I don't even know attention 901 unknown medical emergency 5801 I don't even know Eagle Drive box
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238 cross street Linda Vista and Willowbrook attention 901 medical emergency who was breathing
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are they still lying there maybe possibly stabbing 5801 Eagle Drive box 238 cross street
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Linda Vista and Willowbrook oh my God what do we do timeout 2 32. oh my God oh my God needs units going towards 5801
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Eagle Drive 5801 Eagle Drive oh my God my baby's dead Damon hold on honey hysterical female on the phone says her
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child has been stabbed I saw them Darren oh my God came in here ma'am I need you
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to calm down and talk to me okay didn't you get my address 5801 Eagle yes we need help Darren I
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don't know who it was we gotta find who it was ma'am ma'am listen listen to me yes yes oh my God oh my God ma'am yes I
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need you to I need you to talk to me what what what my babies are dead do you want honey hold on ma'am I can't
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understand you you yes you're going to have to slow down calm down and talk to me I'm talking to my babies they're
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dying what is going on somebody came in while I was sleeping me and my little boys were sleeping downstairs some man
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came in stabbed my baby stabbed me I woke up I was fighting he ran out through the garage threw the knife down
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my babies are dying they're dead oh my God okay stay on the phone oh my God what happened hold on honey hold on who
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was on it was the white phone hold on they are wondering when we need to dispatch so I sent a double team oh my
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God oh my God okay thanks oh my God oh my God ma'am who's there with you Karen ma'am what is
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there anyone in the house besides you and your children no my husband he just ran downstairs he's helping me but they
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are dying oh my God they're dead okay okay how many little boys is it two boys there's two of them there's two
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what's a cross street on the address on Eagle oh my God who would do this listen
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to me calm down I feel really bad I think I'm dying when are they going to be here 5801 Eagle Drive
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5801 Eagle Drive when are they going to be here going to be a stabbing when are they going to be here ma'am they're on
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their way I gotta just sit here forever oh my God who would do this who would do this
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ma'am how old are your boys what how old are your boys seven and five okay oh my God oh my God
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oh he's dead calm down can you oh God Devin no oh my God is her name Darley yes this is her is your husband's name
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Darren yes please hurry God they're taking forever there's nobody in your house there was was you don't know who
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did this then a police officer is on the scene and you can hear him say look for
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a rag Darley replies they killed our babies the police officer says lie down okay just sit down darlie rotier says no
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he ran out uh they ran out in the garage I was sleeping my baby's over here already cut can I phone is right here
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you all look out in the garage look out in the garage they left a knife lying on
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there's a knife don't touch anything I already touched it and picked it up who's out there is anybody out there I
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don't know I was sleeping okay ma'am listen there's a police officer at your front door is your front door unlocked
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yes ma'am but where's the ambulance okay they're barely breathing if they don't get it here they're going
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to be dead my God they're hurry please hurry okay there there police officer says what about you is 82 out on Eagle
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huh they took they ran Eagle 5801 Eagle my God 82 are you out police officer nothing's
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gone Mrs rotier oh my God oh my God why would they do this police officer the problem Mrs
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rotier would he say why would they do this I'm okay listen ma'am need to need to let the officers in the front door
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okay ma'am what what need to let the police officers in the front door his knife was
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lying over there I already picked it up okay it's all right it's okay God I bet if we could have gotten the prince maybe
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maybe ma'am hang on hang on a second somebody who did it intentionally walked in here and did it Darren there's
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nothing touched okay ma'am there's nothing touched oh my God ma'am is the police officer there
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yes okay go talk to him okay the total length of the call is 5 minutes and 44 seconds long
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[Music] [Music] all right we're back with our great acting skills cheers mates cheers captain
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speaking of acting skills ours are not good enough to win a Daytime Emmy obviously but what's your thoughts
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captain on Darley rotier you've had a chance to actually listen to the 9-1-1 call she's hysterical through most of it
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it's very chaotic but it's five minutes long so it's long enough to really get a
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feel for what's going on and probably have an opinion on what it is you're hearing and deduce maybe some of the
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emotions the thoughts or even suspicions going on with her on the call yeah it's
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hard to tell if she's acting or reacting because it is a mom supposedly coming out of her sleep and seeing her kids
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dying in front of her and the amount of blood that's probably at the scene but it seems like there's no coherent
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thought that she's giving to the dispatcher except for a couple lines and those seem to be the lines that are
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suspicious where she you know his knife was laying there and I already picked it up I bet
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if we could have gotten the fingerprints Maybe that line almost seems to me that she's
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about to say well I bet if if I hadn't touched the knife we could have got fingerprints
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but also she is basically establishing a reason why she touched the knife and why her fingerprints would be on the
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murder weapon and that's what law enforcement will point out as well as the prosecutors later that this is the
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problem with her 911 call that she's referencing the knife does not need to mention the knife does not need to
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mention that she picked it up it's almost like she's planting that information for everybody to be aware of
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hey you'll probably find my fingerprints on this knife because I'm telling you now I picked it up and you might not
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find in intruder's fingerprints on the knife because I picked it up after he threw it down
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the thing is though it's a little difficult when you review the transcript of the 9-1-1 call and after you've heard
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the actual audio for the call itself because the first time that she mentions really finding the knife or that
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somebody threw down a knife she's responding to she's answering the operator's question
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the operator's question was what is going on to which she says someone came in while
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I was sleeping me and my little boys were sleeping downstairs the other issue with the transcript too is you have
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multiple dispatchers or operators communicating there at times in the 911 call communicating with each other and
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not Darley you know they're responding to oh we need emergency services to this address
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and then you have the other dispatcher or operator saying something to the effect of Emergency Services have been
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dispatched or have been dispatched at this time and one of the things we weren't able to do because it was just
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us two reading the transcript and I don't think the transcript is that clear but if you listen to the 911 tape
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at some point when her husband comes downstairs and she's going oh my God oh my God he starts going oh my God oh my
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God reacting the same level of intensity she is so for somebody to say that she's acting
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I would say well then I guess the husband's acting as well which is difficult again because as
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you know you hear him come into the scene the way that he's behaving suggests to me that he might be seeing
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this all for the very first time right he's walking into some [ __ ] and he's like oh my God what what the hell is
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going on yeah I have no clue and I've just walked into pure chaos blood all over my family
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yeah so the first time she mentions that knife it's her reacting to the operator's
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question of what is going on and at that point when she says that the man he ran out through the
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garage that threw the knife down my babies are dying they're dead oh my God she makes no mention of her picking up
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the knife on that first go around of that question which is interesting to me because if it
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was information that she really thought that she needed to plant and get out there and provide to everyone in the
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Heat of the Moment well she's certainly passed on it on the first opportunity well and then the other one she says uh
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you all look out in the garage look out in the garage they left a knife laying on there's a knife don't touch it and
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that's when she says why I already touched I picked it up but but I think it's weird though and I
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don't know what she's actually intending to mean when she says somebody who did it intentionally walked in here and did
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it that's odd then intentionally there's nothing touched and I don't know if she
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she meant that the Intruder came in and didn't touch anything but that's an odd line to me but again
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she I mean she stabbed over four times how much of her body is in shock how much is she in shock from seeing her not
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just her kids dead but they're dying they're dying in front of her yeah if she's not guilty she's 100 in shock
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regardless of injuries or or what have you she would be absolutely in shock just at the sight of her children being
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bloodied like that and you can hear let's pretend for a moment that she is in fact innocent
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you can hear that she is fully aware the visuals that she is waking up to and seeing
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that she is aware that they are dying and that is that's the gotta be the complete shock but to address the first
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thing that you had mentioned back to the knife when it's brought up the second time
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as you pointed out that the information is prompted by the operator don't touch anything well I already touched it
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you know she doesn't mention touching it until it's brought up by someone else and then as you pointed out I think
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the difficult thing here is at some point there's a lot going on in in very quickly in the call there's a lot going
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on because What You Can Hear What I Hear anyway and I'm sure everybody will have
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a slightly different opinion on what they are hearing and what they believe after reviewing the transcript what I am
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hearing or believe that I am hearing is that Darley is trying to give the proper
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information to the operator but she's also kind of running and scrambling around the house I mean
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Envision this if if she is innocent she's waking up to the children dying and she's got injuries herself
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probably doesn't fully understand what had happened if she did in fact see or chase someone as they were leaving out
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of the home there's probably a lot of running around to make sure they're not coming back but also she doesn't know
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what happened to her husband or what happened to her her newborn and she's also trying to tend to the children from
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time to time I mean you can hear her kind of checking in on the children even though we will have officers and People
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First Responders later saying that she didn't seem to want to tend to the children but they weren't there for the
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early parts of this call this is very similar of a 9-1-1 call to me as as the Michael Peterson where he's talking to
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the dispatcher and then going back and checking on his wife and then going back and talking to the dispatcher it seems
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very similar but it's it's tough because I think your gut tells you if if they're over
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dramatic that they're putting on a show but if they're under dramatic about it then they're cold-hearted so it's almost
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like you can't win either way as far as what your gut reaction is going to be to a 9-1-1 call like this
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still on some of the things that you had brought up here Captain the portion of saying someone intentionally came in
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here nothing was touched nothing was touched I don't know we can if we can understand what she means by that first
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of all and second of all I don't think we know who she's even speaking to when she's saying those
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words right because we also don't know if the police officer that's there that's where it's confusing too is the
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transcript states that the police officers are there way before the dispatcher is able to get Darley to
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confirm that the police officers are there so did the police officer say something did her husband say something
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to her to prompt that like maybe the police officer says to her don't touch anything and she says nothing's been
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touched like other than the knife nothing's been touched I haven't touched anything right
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and again she we don't know who she's speaking to because we have Darren that arrives downstairs at some point she is
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interacting with him at portions of the call she's interacting with the operator
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and then you can hear operator and additional dispatchers on so there's some confusion there as well and again I
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hear Parts where she's clearly at least looking over or tending to the children in some form or fashion so we don't know
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who those words were intended for so it gets difficult to say that she's planting information for people later to
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use that as part of their investigation and then there's one part that became a point of contention in this case and
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that was where she says some man came in stabbed my baby stabbed me I woke up I was fighting he ran out through the
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garage threw the knife down my babies are dying they're dead oh my God okay so the reason why this is a point of
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contention is because the law enforcement and the prosecution will point out that oh you told the
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dispatcher you were fighting with the Intruder so how do you not have a description of this guy
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if you if you remember if you were actively fighting with him you should have some kind of description to provide
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to us and we know that she had such a very vague description she said later that and would you agree that the
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quality of the call the audio for the call is not the best it's awful it's it's it's not good so if she says that
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she said I woke up and I was frightened or it was frightening I don't know exactly what she says I've listened to
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it a bunch and I could be swayed either way I could be swayed either way the audio quality is so poor
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I can't tell if she's saying it was frightening I was frightened or I was fighting tell me if I'm wrong in this
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statement but investigating this a couple things jump out as far as her story whether
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her story changed or not we have police officers saying that she told them different stories we have friends saying
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that she Twisted her stories here and there like little tiny details altered her husband is saying whatever statement
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that she gave to the police the final statement that's the statement she's stuck with all these years
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and they even have you know defense attorneys and and lawyers saying hey whatever story she
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initially told that's the story she stuck with she's never changed it so one could she have just messed up uh some of
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the details because she was in shock and because of all this stuff that was going
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on we know that eyewitnesses can be wrong so are these people just reporting the
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information wrong that she told them well and we have to keep in mind what's going on at the scene when she calls
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when she first places the call again the call is five minutes 44 seconds long before she hangs up the phone before the
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end of the call police are on the scene and she's unaware that they are there the officer's probably calling into
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dispatch saying hey I'm here but the front door's locked yeah they're saying ma'am or the police
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there and she says yes and she says well there's a front door unlocked and she says yes and she then the dispatcher
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comes back and says you're going to have to unlock the front door so one thing in
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I think in her favor here for her to be innocent is the fact that the the call is this
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length of time and she's on the phone with the dispatcher still when police arrive on the scene so we we have we we
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can't see what she's doing right we don't know exactly what she's doing physically during the course of this
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call however we do know that she is at least busy with the call itself for this amount of time so during this time it
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would be it makes it a little extra difficult for her to be further staging the scene while on the phone and police
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are arriving before the end of the call plus as you pointed out at some point Darren comes downstairs after he hears
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the commotion she does not it doesn't sound like she woke him you know intentionally
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went upstairs and woke him that he heard the commotion and came down on his own to walk into this horrific scene one
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just to let everybody know to understand the way in which this Intruder entered the house they they cut a screen and a
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window in the garage got through that window in that garage got inside the garage and then went
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through the house that way so I think the fact that the police show up in the front door is
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locked at least leads more towards her story making sense and when they show up on scene
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we have Devin who is already dead we have Damon who is still alive when First Responders get to
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the scene we have Darley who's bloodied she's running around and we have Darren who is
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downstairs performing CPR on Damon and baby Drake is still upstairs at this point yeah so hold on for one second
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because okay postpartum depression what's the motive here can anybody give me a motive of why she'd want to do this
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you want to get rid of to your kids but not all of the kids you you didn't try to kill your kids and
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then blame it on your husband to get rid of him you don't you didn't try to attack him
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nobody else was attacked other than who was in that front room and if if she's guilty
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and she wanted to kill her kids why would she wake her husband up before the kids were dead
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well you see what I'm saying because but again she doesn't actively it doesn't show any intention of her purposely
00:36:44
waking Darren what I where where my questions go to is if she were to kill her sons
00:36:53
and Stage the scene right why would she call 9-1-1 when one of them is still alive right because now
00:37:01
you're running a huge risk of you know these kids are old they're still little kids but they're old enough that they
00:37:07
could tell yeah my mom stabbed me yeah if they're still alive they could tell the First Responders what what actually
00:37:13
went down so you can hear her on the phone she is aware that one of them is still alive
00:37:20
so why would she call why wouldn't she just wait a few more minutes right and then call and act all hysterical and and
00:37:29
I guarantee you she was being hysterical way before the 9-1-1 call and again that points towards why would you
00:37:42
want to wake I mean look you don't know if the she's not a medical expert so if she
00:37:52
again if the purpose is just to kill these kids and to get rid of them then her husband comes down
00:37:59
but at the time he comes down aren't both of the boys alive so that would give I2 chances for the
00:38:07
victims to say mom did this that I don't know I all I can say is that when well in fact actually we do have some
00:38:18
evidence toward that that thought there captain and we will get into that a quick little timeline here before we get
00:38:26
to what I believe are two very key parts of this whole story which would be the statements of Darley and the statements
00:38:35
of Darren okay that's going to add us a little more insight into what is actually going on and you already
00:38:41
referenced some items at the crime scene itself and we'll get into those as well
00:38:45
but real quick here captain on June 6 1996 that is when Devin and Damon ages six and five were murdered again Damon
00:38:56
is still alive at the point when the First Responders get to the scene Darley is taken immediately to the hospital
00:39:05
because she has suffered some injuries during the course of this attack then we have a situation where on June 8th
00:39:12
Darley gives a written statement to police okay so this statement that she provides to police
00:39:20
the information I have says that it took her approximately 30 minutes to write this statement for the police and this
00:39:28
she gave to them a written statement once she was released from the hospital so she's released from the hospital and
00:39:35
she is immediately directly taken to the police station at the police request to
00:39:40
provide this statement and in her statement she says Darren and Dana her husband and my sister came home from
00:39:50
working at the shop the boys were playing with the neighborhood kids outside I was
00:39:56
finishing up dinner Damon came home and Devin called and I told him to be home soon because we were going to eat Darren
00:40:04
played with the baby this is the infant Drake with Dana her sister while I pulled
00:40:10
everything together to eat Devin came home and we all ate dinner together it's too many people with d names after we
00:40:17
ate we cleaned all the plates I changed I was changing Drake while Darren put everything in some containers for
00:40:24
leftovers we all talked a little bit about how happy we were that the shop had been so
00:40:30
busy for the past three weeks as that we had hoped it would continue since work had been slow for a couple of months
00:40:37
Devin and Damon asked if they could play with one of their friends a little longer so we said okay
00:40:44
Darren Dana and I sat around and watched a little TV later I'm not sure of exact time I asked
00:40:54
Darren to drive Dana home because I wasn't feeling too well while Darren was gone the boys brought down their
00:41:02
blankets and pillows and asked if they could watch TV I said yes they came downstairs and played on the
00:41:08
floor in front of the TV with Drake while I made some popcorn about 20 to 25 minutes later Darren came Darren came in
00:41:17
and sat down with us while we watched TV Drake started to get fussy so I made him
00:41:22
a bottle soon after the boys fell asleep Darren took the baby upstairs and put him in
00:41:28
his crib and came back downstairs we talked about a few problems we were having with the car and the boat and had
00:41:36
a few words between us since I had the baby I have been having some depression I told Darren I was
00:41:43
depressed because I hadn't been able to take the boys anywhere because we only had one car
00:41:49
he told me he loved me and asked me if I wanted him to sleep downstairs with me because I wanted to stay up and watch a
00:41:57
little TV I told him no because I didn't think he would be able to sleep on the couch and get any sleep I had been
00:42:04
sleeping on the couch the past week or so off and on because the baby slept in our room in the crib and when he moved
00:42:12
he woke me up Darren and I laid together for a little bit while then decided to go to sleep
00:42:20
because he had to work the next day this was around 12 30 or 1. I'm not sure he kissed me and said he loved me and I
00:42:29
told him I loved him and would see him in the morning after a while I started to get sleepy
00:42:35
the next thing I wake up and I feel pressure on me I felt Damon press on my right shoulder and heard him cry
00:42:44
this made me really come awake and I realized there was a man standing down at my feet walking away from me
00:42:52
I walked after him and heard glass breaking I got halfway through the kitchen and turned back around to run
00:42:59
and turn on the light I ran back towards the utility room and realized there was a big white handled
00:43:05
knife lying on the floor it was then that I realized I have blood all over me and I grabbed the knife thinking he was
00:43:13
in the garage so I thought he might still be there and I yelled for Darren I ran back through the kitchen and
00:43:21
realized the entire living area had blood all over everything I put the knife on the counter and ran into the
00:43:28
entrance turned on the light and started screaming for Darren I think I screamed
00:43:33
twice and he ran out of the bedroom with his jeans on and no glasses and was yelling
00:43:39
what is it what is it I remember saying he cut them he tried to kill me my neck he ran down the stairs and into the room
00:43:48
where the boys were I grabbed the phone and called 9-1-1 Darren started giving Devin CPR while I put a towel on my neck
00:43:57
and a towel over Damon's back I remember telling Damon to hang on mommy was there
00:44:02
I looked over at Darren and saw the glass table had been knocked halfway off and the flower arrangement had been
00:44:09
knocked over I then stood up and turned around and saw glass all over the kitchen floor I
00:44:16
tried to glance over to see if anything was out of place or if anything was missing I took a few steps and opened
00:44:23
the door and screamed for Karen okay so this is Karen Neal it's their neighbor and friend she's also a nurse
00:44:30
I was still on the phone with 9-1-1 and I don't recall what all was said because
00:44:35
everything was happening so fast I went back to Damon and by then he had stopped moving and the police walked
00:44:43
through the door the paramedics came and tried to work on the children Darren was
00:44:48
screaming who did this who did this and I started asking if my babies were dead Darren was crying and said yes
00:44:56
after I just remembered screaming and showing Darren my neck Darren took me out to the front of the
00:45:04
house and by then Darren ran upstairs to make sure the baby was okay and then handed him to Karen our neighbor I
00:45:11
remember them holding a towel on my neck and wrapping my arm and then they put me
00:45:16
in an ambulance Darren got in but they told him he needed to leave so they could take care
00:45:23
of me I remember we got to the hospital and them telling me they were taking me to
00:45:30
surgery they took off my necklace and put me to sleep I woke up and minutes later the
00:45:36
detectives were there making me all kinds of questions at the same time here Captain keep in
00:45:42
mind darley's been rushed from the hospital directly to the police station to give that statement we have her
00:45:49
husband Darren he's now providing a written statement as well at the same time and his statement reads as follows
00:45:57
we were watching TV in the Roman room watching movie on HBO baby Drake had fallen asleep about 10 10
00:46:05
30. I took him up to bed in parents room put blanket on him and turned out lights
00:46:10
I went downstairs to talk to Darley we talked about the boys not being able to start baseball yet because we were so
00:46:17
busy with the baby right now we talked about the business bills and how Darley was having a hard time with
00:46:23
taking care of the babies today Darley said she wanted to sleep on the couch because she would sleep better because
00:46:30
the baby would keep her awake the boys were asleep with pillows and blankets on the floor
00:46:36
Devin was asleep face up in front of the TV and Damon was asleep between the couch and coffee table by the couch mom
00:46:44
was on so I went upstairs to get her a blanket and pillow and came back downstairs to
00:46:50
cover her up we talked a little more about her going to Cancun with some friends across the street and gave her a
00:46:57
kiss goodnight told her to dream about me and went upstairs around 1am I went and turned on TV in our room and
00:47:05
watched for 10 to 15 minutes I took my glasses off and turned TV off I could not go to sleep for a while but
00:47:12
finally I fell asleep unconsciously I heard a noise and then Darley screaming loud she was yelling Devin Devin oh my
00:47:22
God Devin I woke up quickly and grabbed my glasses on the nightstand and ran downstairs as fast as I could
00:47:29
going into the living room I ran over to Devin lying on the floor where he was when I
00:47:36
saw him last and kneeled down over him to see if he was hurt and then looked at the coffee table to see it tipped
00:47:45
over on him when I looked again at his chest there were two holes in his chest with blood
00:47:51
and muscles piercing out I slapped his face to get him to say or look at me no response I started CPR and when I
00:48:01
blew into his mouth air came out of his chest I blew five or six times and held my hand over the holes on his chest
00:48:10
then when that didn't work I blew into one of the holes in his chest I looked over at Darley and she was on the phone
00:48:18
calling 9-1-1 I ran over to Damon lying on the floor in the hallway between wall
00:48:24
and side of couch he had no pulse but I could not see any injuries police came in and I told them
00:48:32
that my babies were stabbed and she told them that he went out of the garage I ran upstairs to put my pants on I looked
00:48:41
over at Drake was crying and I felt he was okay I noticed my wallet left on the floor and all I could think to do was to
00:48:50
go to Karen's house for help I needed someone to help and the paramedics when they arrived I went downstairs ran out
00:48:59
the house ran across the street to Karen and Terry door I banged five six times as hard as I
00:49:06
could until Terry comes to the door first and when I told them that Devin and Damon were stabbed they were in
00:49:13
shock and ran over with me to the house and that was when they were putting Damon on a stretcher I knew that Devin
00:49:21
was dead before I ran across the street and Damon had no pulse but the paramedic
00:49:27
carried him out in a blanket out the front door I ran out yelling that we have to find
00:49:34
who did this and Karen told me that Darley was cut too I never knew that she was hurt yet she
00:49:40
had blood all over her from the neck down to the bottom of her night shirt she was standing in the doorway with the
00:49:48
paramedics said she needed to go to the hospital so we helped her into the stretcher and she said Darren you have
00:49:55
to promise me we will find this man he killed our babies I walked back into the house pushed my
00:50:02
way through the police and saw the knife on the bar in the kitchen with blood all
00:50:07
over it went to garage to look at the window that the police had said he had entered and I went out of the house and
00:50:15
walked across the street and the neighbors were there to confront me and ask about what happened
00:50:21
I sat for a minute on the curb and walked over to the ambulance where Damon was an ass paramedic was he alive and
00:50:30
they said no I was in shock Karen told me to go with Darley in the ambulance so I got in and they threw me out said
00:50:39
they needed to work so then they ask me questions from the fire department he says they
00:50:46
wanted to know his social security number address and name and such and I asked what hospital and no one knew
00:50:52
so found out where Darley went this would have been Baylor Dallas Hospital and drove over to the hospital at
00:50:59
hospital I was questioned by detective frosh for hours is there any eyewitness statements neighbor Hood statements that
00:51:07
heard her scream or saw anything suspicious that night so in reviewing the trial in the
00:51:15
testimony of witnesses and such no there doesn't seem to be anybody that was aware that something was going on that
00:51:24
night until they were alerted by either Darren or police or you know saw the the flashing lights and heard the sirens
00:51:32
right there were plenty of people to have an opinion about darlie's Behavior what kind of mother
00:51:39
she was and plenty of opinions about the rotiers in general so to me Captain the thing that jumps
00:51:47
off both Pages here from their statements is they don't seem to line up 100 with each other's statements
00:51:55
and second of all they don't seem to line up 100 with what it sounded to me like what was going on during the course
00:52:02
of the 9-1-1 call right because it sounds like darlie has the recollection that she may have
00:52:09
woke Darren up as she's getting ready to call 9-1-1 but to back that up a little
00:52:15
bit his statement does say that he comes in sees what's going on reacts to it and
00:52:20
then the first he really sees Darley after that she's in the process of calling 9-1-1 or already on the phone
00:52:27
with them now my general thoughts are this though in regards to darley's statement and Darren's statement
00:52:34
I don't know that I would fully expect them to 100 line up I mean this is a if they're innocent it's too much trauma
00:52:43
for their stories to line up this is a whole lot of chaos within a five to six minute window of time yeah chaos is
00:52:52
probably a better word than trauma and for them to have a full understanding in a point by Point blow-by-blow
00:52:59
recollection of what went down and how it went down and and every second and every minute of what was happening
00:53:07
you know what to be honest with you I would be more suspicious of them together if their statements did 100
00:53:13
line up yeah Bingo because there were two days between the time that the murders took place and these statements
00:53:20
were given or a day and a half I don't know exactly what time of day these statements were were given at the police
00:53:26
department but the murders were on the sixth the statements written by these two individuals individually on the
00:53:33
eighth but the other thing I do want to point out too you know because one thing
00:53:37
that law enforcement will use against Darley is that her statement does not line up
00:53:42
with what they were seeing at the crime scene and the problem I have with that is look I agree first off I agree that
00:53:50
her statements do not line up perfectly with with some of the physical evidence at the crime scene itself
00:53:56
but her words they took me to the hospital they get me there they take off you know my jewelry my clothing they
00:54:03
knock me out put me to sleep so they could put me into surgery right next thing I know I wake up she says
00:54:10
minutes later anybody that's ever been knocked out for a surgery will tell you and I've had this happen twice in my
00:54:16
lifetime I've been put under two maybe three times put under and then had a surgery
00:54:22
and you swear to God that you're waking up and you're like I was I can't believe
00:54:27
you guys worked so fast I was only out like 30 seconds and then somebody tells you like no you were out for a couple
00:54:34
hours or you were out for a day that's one thing that I feel like Rings true in her
00:54:40
statement there where she says they took off my clothes they took off my jewelry
00:54:43
they put me out and then I went into surgery and then I woke up a couple minutes later
00:54:49
or I woke up minutes later and the police are asking me questions and then they took me off to the police station
00:54:54
and then we have later where we have uh people testifying that she was drugged up afterwards as one would expect
00:55:03
because she's been pretty severely injured in my opinion but again that goes to the opinions vary depending on who you
00:55:12
talk to regarding her injuries one and painkillers affect everybody completely different and so if I was in the
00:55:21
hospital all for a couple days and the day I got out I was still on pain medication I wouldn't be I wouldn't be
00:55:29
able to put together my correct thoughts I mean I already sound like a stoner and
00:55:34
I'm not stoned I mean can you imagine if I'm all hopped up on pain pills and double down on the fact that you were
00:55:41
just I mean just minutes or maybe hours before writing out the statement you were in a hospital bed right so here's
00:55:48
what the the doctor testified to at the trial Dr Santos testified that Darley was given Xanax to treat anxiety and she
00:55:57
was also given Demerol for the pain this is after the surgery so she's on Xanax and Demerol and just been whisked away
00:56:06
from a hospital bed to the police station to give a written statement to police that oh by the way whatever you
00:56:13
write here today we're going to hold this over your head for the rest of your life
00:56:17
so it's an important document we're going to use this to either clear you or build a case against you I want
00:56:24
to think that Darley or her husband was thinking that they're going to take these statements and and go over them
00:56:31
with a fine-tooth comb to press charges against her I I bet that was even a thought at this
00:56:38
moment right she doesn't know that they're building a case against her that they already suspect her at this point
00:56:45
so you say this is two days after the murder to me that's not enough time to collect all the evidence at the scene
00:56:53
get it tested for us to know whether or not there was an intruder or not so it seems like to me like a similar
00:57:02
same year case two JonBenet Ramsey you're you're coming up with theories and then you're going to try to
00:57:11
prove your theory before the evidence can tell you what happened well and you can't really
00:57:20
make Darley give you a written statement any earlier than this because she's at the hospital she's under doctor's care
00:57:26
she's knocked out she's in surgery but what's a little weird to me is wouldn't you want to get a written
00:57:33
statement from Darren as quick as possible why does he get away this same amount of
00:57:40
time he's not in surgery he's not been injured at all in the course of this attack or whatever
00:57:45
went down well unless they're afraid if they say hey we need a statement from you and he gives the statement and then
00:57:51
he tells his wife well yeah I I give the police a statement and she goes well what did you tell them
00:57:58
so maybe that's why they waited I can agree with that that would be that would be an idea there but but also if you
00:58:06
don't believe her statements are you asking for a polygraph test well and again back to the drugs and and her
00:58:13
state of mind or what it could have been at the time of writing the statement who
00:58:17
knows but again they they are going to hold the statement against her in court and the the testimony by Dr Santos is
00:58:26
testified that Darley was given Xanax to treat anxiety and Demerol for pain when asked under questioning
00:58:35
says what all can Demerol make you groggy yes could general anesthetic in your experience lead to confusion yes
00:58:44
can it lead to disorientation yes can it lead to short-term memory loss yes would you agree doctor that to be
00:58:52
questioned sometime before eight in the morning let's say 605 hypothetically to be
00:58:59
questioned about very serious events at 605 one hour and five minutes after anesthesia being cut off would you be
00:59:08
somewhat suspect as to the response you may receive from a patient answer you may get an unreliable
00:59:16
response yes yeah again but coming up with the theory before you get all the evidence back is irresponsible then on
00:59:27
top of that let's get statements from somebody that we know see you again here's my problem with it it's
00:59:36
irresponsible to come up with the theory you know it's irresponsible to question
00:59:41
her when she just got out of the hospital but I think I think that was part of their play
00:59:48
hey she she might not say things correctly and that's going to work in our favor
00:59:54
because now we already created the theory now we're just trying to put the puzzles puzzle pieces however we want to
01:00:01
to fit that narrative well I I don't necessarily agree with the idea that they are waiting to get her statement
01:00:09
and then building the case around her afterwards I know that it took some time to get that statement again she's in
01:00:15
surgery you can't do anything about that but they're working the crime scene during this whole time before they're
01:00:21
able to get her statement so they are aware of certain pieces of physical evidence before getting the statement
01:00:28
from her so right but what I'm saying is not all the evidence is collected not all the evidence is tested evidence is
01:00:35
supposed to lead you to a theory not to have a theory first so yes I I agree with you there's been some work at
01:00:43
the crime scene that would give you some information but you you didn't wait to get all the information to get all the
01:00:51
evidence to get everything tested back before you created your narrative before you created your story of what happened
01:01:00
which of course is certainly possible but I don't know that we want to say that that's exactly what in fact went
01:01:05
down because we don't know when police came up with the narrative that that Darley killed her her children or
01:01:13
had a a 100 case built around her what you would know immediately going into the crime scene and what some of the
01:01:22
evidence you would know before even having to test it is you're going to see that the murder
01:01:28
weapon you have evidence to believe before any testing goes down the murder weapon came from inside the home
01:01:38
so now that makes you a little more suspicious of people inside the home rather than people outside of the home
01:01:45
there was also some indication that with the way that the screen was cut and the
01:01:49
way that the screen appeared once police were on the scene that it only looked like somebody went in the screen but
01:01:58
never came back out through the screen so they were a little testy about the whole idea of well this Intruder came in
01:02:07
this way and then fled back out the same way he came in based off of what they were seeing at
01:02:13
the crime scene they also didn't find anything missing they didn't find again you brought up a
01:02:20
good point one really freaking troubling part of this whole case is motive right yeah
01:02:26
what what would be the motive for Darley to kill her sons not kill her other son
01:02:32
not kill her husband and turn the knife on herself what would be the motive for Darley to do it but also what would be
01:02:39
the motive for an intruder to come in and kill these kids and attack her well she had an infant so you know I don't
01:02:46
have a lot of understanding of you know part postpartum depression but some kind of mental illness could be
01:02:55
the reason that's the only thing that I can see here I can't see any other motive but
01:03:02
then also like you said I mean we can't say that we can't say that this Intruder came in
01:03:10
there just to murder right the the Intruder could have came in for a multitude of reasons agreed you know
01:03:20
to oh well here's this uh young mother that lives there and and I find her attractive so you know it's a sexual
01:03:28
motivation there or that they're going to break into the house and and now that uh I'm in here
01:03:35
I don't maybe they these people would recognize me so I have to kill anybody that that possibly could identify me
01:03:43
because for all we know the kids woke up and saw this individual yeah so it's very tough I mean it the
01:03:51
motive on either end um just doesn't make a lot of sense what do you think Captain about the whole
01:03:59
thought of she's saying the purpose of me sleeping downstairs is so the baby doesn't wake me up
01:04:04
but then you know the prosecution and detectives want to know well then why didn't you
01:04:09
wake up earlier during the attack if you're such a light sleeper yeah I would I'd
01:04:16
question when she was stabbed and is any of the wounds that she has would that cause her to black out at any
01:04:27
point because this neck wound which a lot of people have tried to state that her neck wound is a flesh
01:04:36
wound I think it was like two millimeters away from the Carotid artery two millimeters
01:04:41
away from killing her correct that and that doesn't mean that she did not self-inflict the wound is it possible
01:04:51
that she fought with this Intruder and because of whether it's being hit on the head
01:04:59
whether it's being stabbed that she actually blacked out and then came back to there are experts
01:05:07
that have said and did say during the course of her trial based off of her injuries that there there's a likelihood
01:05:15
that she may not recall everything that actually went down one based off of the trauma of her injuries but also the idea
01:05:24
that she's waking up into the middle of a situation so you kind of it's a double whammy
01:05:29
effect there too and now I am a light sleeper I'm not going to consider myself to be any kind of sleep expert but I
01:05:37
will say this my light sleeping is can be an issue for me there are nights that I I miss out on
01:05:44
a lot of sleep because of that I'm not a light sleeper every night of my life right every day of my life if
01:05:52
I if I'm sleeping anywhere other than my home I'm an extremely light sleeper I'm
01:05:58
I just I'm heightened awareness whatever I don't know what it is I it's hard for
01:06:02
me to sleep in hotel rooms or be a guest at somebody's home without you know I basically just sleep for a couple hours
01:06:07
at Best if I'm at home and everything is perfect everything is right sometimes I sleep like a rock and
01:06:15
there's not a whole lot of Rhyme or Reason to while I sleep better some nights and why I sleep
01:06:21
not great other nights a lot of it base is based off of how tired I am one thing
01:06:27
we know is she's busy taking care of three kids one of them's an infant she could have just been flat out exhausted
01:06:34
at this point right and one thing that's interesting to me too and and you would
01:06:38
reference narrative a couple of times there is certainly something going on because we talked about motive well the
01:06:45
law enforcement and the the prosecution they are easy and quick to point out motive for Darley to have committed
01:06:53
these murders and then their argument is well there's no motive for an intruder and I don't think that's correct I don't
01:06:59
think that's right I can see just as much until you until you catch the guy again pretending that she's innocent
01:07:07
until you catch the guy or identify who it could be you may not know the motive of that individual
01:07:15
for their actions and I think there's equal amounts like you were saying equal amounts for both possibilities if Darley
01:07:22
did it or if in fact there was an intruder an equal amount of motives well again I think
01:07:28
it always drives me nuts when we're having conversations about a possible Intruder and they go well nothing was
01:07:34
taken it's like well maybe they didn't get a chance to and that's why there was a murder
01:07:41
and maybe the person is technically not a murderer there are they're a thief but because somebody could identify them
01:07:50
they became a murderer one troubling thing to me though Captain is it would have taken a bladed weapon let's say it
01:07:58
would have taken a blade to cut through that screen and police will quickly tell
01:08:03
you that in this scenario it makes zero sense to them because most of the time burglars which I actually don't think
01:08:09
that there was a burglar all right if if we're going to pretend there was an intruder I don't think I don't think
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looking for valuables was the the motive here for going into the home so police will be quick to point out
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that most of the time a burglar will not bother to cut a screen they will just simply remove the screen as it's
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normally fairly easy to do in this case it would have been easy to do and they just hop in the window and hop back out
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or leave through a door on their way out but if it would have been a burglar that
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see that's a whole different kind of criminal a burglar comes into a home sees people
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in there that they they want to burglarize the home when no one is there they pick a home that they think that
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they could either get in and get out real quick Smash and grab or Smash and grab and nobody's there they don't have
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to bother with anybody a burglar would have came into the home seen her and or the children and then
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just turned around and left that's what a burglar would have done if in fact it was an intruder that
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attacked this family there was a different motive for going into that house altogether
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but one thing I keep coming back to that's Troublesome for me and goes against darley's case that she's
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innocent is it would have taken a blade to cut through that screen that's everything that they've told us
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from the test that they conducted on that screen so why if I already have a blade on me
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to cut the screen to get into the house am I picking up a blade from inside the house to murder these people no I I
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agree and I would like to know how they know for sure that this knife came from inside the house was it a part of a set
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yeah it's part of a set it's one it would have been taken from a butcher block that was inside the home and to
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take it a step further because I have like random knives and so that's why I wondered is it is it possible that it's
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not from a set and they were they thought it was from like just a random knife from a drawer or something yes
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exactly a lot of people just have a drawer full of knives that they've you know collected somehow throughout the
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years you know gift or something they purchased themselves and it's a it's a hodgepodge of what you have maybe the
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colors don't match up maybe you have a lot of the same kind of Blade and you're missing other specifics but
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um this was taken from a butcher your block and it was to take it a step further though too
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I could find nowhere that Darren or Darley were disputing that the knife came from inside the home right they're
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not saying no it wasn't our knife in fact it seems to be agreed upon by all parties that the knife did in fact come
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from inside the home but if I'm breaking into a house hypothetically and I use a pocket knife or I use a box
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cutter and then I go into the house and I put that back into my pocket and then I'm
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startled by maybe a kid waking up or seeing people laying there you reach for the closest item right so
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and and based off that it makes sense because from the garage you have to go through
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the kitchen and then that kitchen area you would see then you'd see the people that were in the
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family room also I'd like to paint a picture of a sophisticated criminal for you
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sophisticated criminal would enter that home and again this would be for motives
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that are are well beyond this the scope of burglarizing the home I do not know the exact you know the
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windows and stuff for this house uh I've seen the outside of the house and portions of the inside but one question
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I keep coming back to is if there were someone outside of the home looking to break into a home
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and then rape a female victim inside right think about the way that they described everybody
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going to bed if if you're a rapist and you're outside looking in through the windows peeking in to see if you could
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you know if there's a potential victim inside maybe you don't know the house maybe you
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do not know the people inside or who the home belongs to but if you're looking inside the way
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that everybody describes the sleeping arrangements to me it's very likely that a rapist looking
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in the window would see Darley 26 years old lying on the couch and from that vantage point I have to
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wonder would he be able to see two small children lying on the floor right they're not laying all together
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next to each other the boys are on the floor she's in the couch husband upstairs you don't see him at
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all if you're peeking in the window and if you're a sophisticated criminal you're entering the home already with
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gloves on thy hands and you know what you don't want to leave at the scene is a weapon that you
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brought with yourself so use your box cutter or your pocket knife to cut the tea into the screen outside go in
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through the garage through the utility room into the kitchen knife block right there I'm going to use one of their
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knives to threaten my female victim whether my intention is to kill her or not I'm using one of their knives
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because if I leave it here it doesn't lead back to me they can't trace this knife back to me I have gloves on my
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hand yeah and have you ever tried to cut a screen the screen part of a window dozens of
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times yes but there's also there's also a possibility that there's not it wasn't there wasn't a cut at all
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you the way those things are made once you start like a rip in that screen it's going to stay in a
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straight line and then if I rip it to the other side or pull it back to the other side you
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could you could um depend you know as long as there's some kind of hole or some kind of damage
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to that screen you could easily rip a t into that that screen without using a knife exactly exactly and then you have
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to wonder would the crime scene analysis would they be able to determine by looking at it if it were in fact cut
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or torn yeah torn or or you use your your keys to to make those um the initial incision so you could rip
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the screen their stance has always been in regards to the screen that it was cut
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in a in the shape of a t so somebody would have made a horizontal cut and then in the center of that roughly in
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the center of that made a vertical cut down there's so many reasons that this case is so frustrating
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but one if if she is guilty what the heck is the motive because at least I can come up with a couple plausible
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