00:00:07
[Music] [Applause] [Music] welcome to true crime garage wherever you are whatever you are doing thanks
00:00:45
for listening I'm your host Nick and with me as always ladies and gentlemen the leader of the band the van movement
00:00:51
he is our captain I don't care if it says free hugs I don't care if it says free drugs I don't care if they're
00:00:57
giving away free wine or some booze stay away from the van it's good to be seen it's good to see you thanks for
00:01:06
listening and thanks for telling a friend this week we are featureing East Pass IPA by the happy folks at Destin
00:01:19
brewery in Florida this is a traditional style yet easy drinking India Pale Ale brewed with local Destin honey with an
00:01:27
ABV of 6.3% garage grade three and a half bottle caps out of five and our fridge is full this week thanks to our
00:01:35
friends first up cheers to Vanessa H from the parts that are still unknown and a big shout out to Elizabeth and
00:01:42
Riverview Florida and cheers to everyone up in the great country of Canada specifically Samantha from Keswick
00:01:50
Ontario in the big shout to Christopher in Sturgis Michigan and we have our friend Paula from Nashville we met her
00:01:58
at crime Con 2018 in Nashville she contributed to the beer fund because we convinced her to lock her garage door
00:02:05
and last but certainly not least we have Melanie and Daphne aka Velma listening at work in Raleigh North Carolina
00:02:13
everyone we just mentioned went to true crime garage comm and contributed to this week's beer fund and for that we
00:02:20
think yeah big cheese mates and if you'd like to check out our old episodes check
00:02:25
us out on the stitcher app all of our episodes are on the stitcher app for free and we have a weekly show called
00:02:31
off-the-record where it's just uncut and a little crazy and you can find off the
00:02:36
record on stitcher premium and that is enough of the bees mess all right everybody gather round grab a chair grab
00:02:43
a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] oh yes okay Holly fault
00:04:18
okay let's Timmy your back door was wide open what are you talking about a brick
00:04:24
oh I'm on the goal line okay what's the color of your house [Applause] okay okay okay okay let me get your name
00:06:16
you know John you're not oh okay so let me talk to your wife okay all the for my ball oh yeah ma'am oh
00:07:41
okay too many questions does the door look like it was pried open does it look like
00:07:50
it does it look like you had the sort of someone try to enter into your house another thing make sure you and your
00:08:00
husband don't touch the door anymore alone out of the door or anything look like it is No okay now let's just tell
00:08:09
your husband okay what's her name how do you spell my first thing what what's her middle name
00:08:37
yes and the starting up the last minute okay we'll tell them we understand women
00:08:52
they get her date of birth okay listen to me acha in this information I'm not the
00:09:01
Oxford riving out there okay they're coming out there to handle that situation I need to gather all the
00:09:06
information from you over the phone yeah there's nothing to do with me driving out there they often take care of that
00:09:12
okay they're coming out there okay okay I'm gonna stay on the phone with you okay oopy until they get there all
00:09:24
right [Applause] [Music] oh we got him coming he needs to try to calm down a little bit okay you're gonna
00:09:53
come out there and do what they can we can't have him scream and yell at the office when I really get in there okay
00:10:14
[Music] that is a 911 call that came in to the Putnam County Florida sheriff's office
00:10:24
at 3:27 a.m. on Tuesday February 10th 2009 now as you can hear there are some strange things on this call first we
00:10:35
should point out that the caller is misty Crossland she says she noticed around 3:00 a.m. that little five year
00:10:42
old Hayley Cummings is missing the call to 911 was not place until 327 misty says she found the back door of the
00:10:51
trailer home which she states is always locked propped open with a brick this turns out to be a cinder block the
00:11:00
police believe came from the yard outside of the home the man heard in the background and then on the phone is
00:11:06
Ronald Cummings yea they claimed the brick was propping open the screen door Ronald is 25 years old and Hayley's
00:11:14
father and Misty is Ronald's 17-year old girlfriend Ronald was at work and Misty
00:11:20
stayed home to watch Ronald's two children Haley and her brother three-year-old Ron jr. two deputies were
00:11:28
dispatched to 2:02 Green Drive in the small town of Satsuma they arrived at the double-wide trailer home at 3:40
00:11:36
a.m. when we say trailer home we are referring to those modular 1 level homes that are not portable but also not built
00:11:44
into the ground this trailer had dark green carpeting throughout most of the living areas
00:11:50
green and white floral wallpaper and one bedroom two bathrooms and a kitchen upon
00:11:57
arrival deputies found a white male standing in the driveway who was visibly upset he identified himself as Ronald
00:12:05
Cummings he said his daughter Hayley Cummings age 5 was missing Ron said he had just got home from work and his
00:12:13
quote dumb [ __ ] girlfriend told him his daughter was missing Ron then repeatedly
00:12:19
said that someone had taken his child and said quote when I find him I'll kill him deputies then spoke with Mystique
00:12:26
Roslyn the girl who called 911 misty was babysitting Hayley and her little brother Ron
00:12:32
near that evening now we need to explain a little bit of background here mystique Roslyn was from a local family
00:12:40
with a long history of bad behavior her parents were both drug addicts and alcoholics with long records and Misty
00:12:48
dropped out of school in the sixth grade misty met Ronald Cummings a few months earlier at the school bus stop for the
00:12:55
trailer park where misty would accompany her nephew she started babysitting for Ron's kids Ron Hailey's and Ron juniors
00:13:04
father was 25 years old it was divorced from the kids mother Krystal Sheffield whom he had also met
00:13:12
when she was a minor and who had gotten pregnant with Hailey when she was just 17 Ronald had custody of the kids there
00:13:21
are varying reports for the reasons for this some say it's because Ron had health insurance through his job that
00:13:28
covered the children some say that it's because crystal was a habitual drug user
00:13:33
and was negligent in any event Ron had the kids well on the other claim too is that she didn't have a job at the time
00:13:40
so he would actually be the only parent that could support them crystal got the children every other weekend ron wasn't
00:13:49
an angel either he had a history of arrests their relationship was acrimonious with
00:13:56
custody disputes and allegations of both spousal and child abuse levelled at Ron
00:14:02
by crystal and drug arrests on both sides Ron had been looked into by the Florida Department of Children and
00:14:09
Families at least once this is because crystal said that Hailey missed school a lot and had visible injuries from
00:14:16
beatings by Ron for her part there is no doubt that crystal had a problem with drugs in the past and it possibly
00:14:24
persisted in the year of 2009 the deputy on the scene quickly deduced the 17 year
00:14:31
old misty was not just the babysitter she was sleeping and Ron Cummings bed and she told the 911 dispatcher that
00:14:39
quote our daughter was missing misty and Ron were romantically involved for a few
00:14:46
month Misty's family lived nearby at 116 Tyler Street misty told the deputy does she
00:14:53
put the children to bed at approximately 8:00 p.m. she did some laundry and then
00:14:57
she went to bed around 10:00 to 10:30 in the same bed as the kids this is in the
00:15:03
master bedroom of the trailer home both kids were peacefully sleeping at that time misty said she woke up at 3:00 a.m.
00:15:11
to get a drink of water and then saw the kitchen light was on and the back door was propped open with the brick mm-hmm
00:15:20
she then ran back to the bedroom and noticed that hailey was missing misty ran around frantically looking for the
00:15:27
child looking under beds and in the closet she said that Ron arrived home from work around 325 and told her to
00:15:36
call the police he handed the phone to her and you can hear him say something to the effect of [ __ ] how did you get
00:15:44
my daughter stole very soon after deputies arrived on the scene Ron's mother Teresa arrived she pulled
00:15:53
up to the scene bearing a 8 by 10 class photo of Haley hmm Ron had called her and told her what was
00:16:01
happening she later said that she lived about 15 miles away and had driven like a bat out of hell to get to Ron's house
00:16:08
to help find her granddaughter she was sure that hailey was just hiding somewhere and would be found now the
00:16:16
search is going to begin at this time but before we get into that just throwing this out here some people have
00:16:22
questioned Teresa's timeline that it just doesn't add up right she lived 15 miles away yet arrived on the scene
00:16:30
within five minutes apparently of Ron calling her supposedly while misty was still on the phone with 911 with her the
00:16:40
class photo in hand right people have pointed out that maybe she was aware of the situation before police what they
00:16:48
told police they notified her of this situation was also kind estranged that his
00:16:53
girlfriend's using his phone to call 911 and he's apparently using her phone to call his mother
00:16:59
right and there's also the statement of Teresa his mother saying I'm sure that hailey was just hiding somewhere yet she
00:17:08
she was thoughtful enough to bring the class photo with her right and the fact that chances are just
00:17:16
knowing what I know about Haley's father he probably doesn't actually have a school picture of his own daughter so
00:17:22
let's discuss the events of the day before Hayley disappeared according to misty Braun and some witnesses these
00:17:31
events were normal in the morning Ron misty Ron jr. and Hayley drove to Hayley's grandmother's home to get some
00:17:39
clothes Hayley wanted to wear to school that morning before they left they had breakfast then they dropped off Hayley
00:17:46
at browning Pierce school the start time 8:45 a.m. Ron and Misty went back to bed
00:17:54
until noon or so and they did some stuff around the house until Ron picked up Hayley at the school bus stop at 3:20
00:18:02
Ron then left for work we know that he arrived at PDM about 45 minutes early for his 5:00 p.m. shift at 5:00 p.m.
00:18:13
misty called Ron to see why the air-conditioning Repair guy arrived at their house she handed the phone to the
00:18:21
repairman to speak with wrong at this point Misty's brother Tommy Crossland Tommy's real name if you're gonna look
00:18:28
these individuals up online his real name is Hank Crossland jr. but he goes by Tommy mm-hmm so this man Tommy was
00:18:37
also at the house with with the kids and they were playing with Ron Jr and Hayley he has kids of his own that he
00:18:44
brought with him as well at 5:30 or so Tom and his kids and the repairman they all left the home around
00:18:53
6:00 p.m. misty said she started dinner and cooked for about 30 to 45 minutes meanwhile Hayley and Ron Jr were
00:19:00
watching movies and 7:00 p.m. the kids were seen eating dinner on the front porch this is by their grandmother she
00:19:09
stopped over to deliver some clothes after dinner prior to getting Hayley to bed misty said she put Hayley's blanket
00:19:17
in the washer because it smelled like pee like urine Hayley went to bed at approximately 8
00:19:23
p.m. this is her normal bedtime according to misty on a school night she was wearing her pink Hannah Montana
00:19:32
shirt and underwear now note though that the police report says pink shirt and tan shorts right at 8:30 misty said she
00:19:42
had a fight with Ron over the phone and she turned her phone off between eight and nine thirty misty was doing laundry
00:19:50
she stated it took probably thirty minutes for it to wash in probably 60 minutes for it to dry and soon as that
00:19:59
was done she went to bed in the room with the two children where she slept yeah so they have a I'd say maybe a
00:20:06
queen-size bed that they slept in and then there it looked like the mattress pad that you would actually put into a
00:20:14
crib but it wasn't in a crib it was just on the floor right and you'll notice throughout this episode in the next one
00:20:21
discussing this case and discussing the the details of the events leading up to and the details right around and shortly
00:20:29
after the 9-1-1 call they will change a little bit and that's because we have people whose stories are changing a
00:20:37
little bit yeah earlier we said that misty said that she slept in the same bed with both of the children and later
00:20:43
she would say that she slept in the bed with Ron jr. and that Hayley was in the small bed beside her bed I believe some
00:20:52
of these inconsistencies are just not really knowing or it's it's not necessarily a lie but a partial truth
00:21:00
maybe they did fall asleep in the bed together and then if she woke up at some point that that Hayley wasn't on the bed
00:21:08
anymore and was in her bed so I think that's where we're getting some inconsistencies
00:21:15
misty did not wake until she got up at 3:00 a.m. according to her story this is either to get a drink or to use the
00:21:23
restroom her story has varied and she says that she noticed that Haley was gone now Ron arrives home at 3:25
00:21:31
a.m. and tells misty to call 9-1-1 and that call came in at 3:27 a.m. now captain I think that we should review
00:21:39
that call as it's it's hard to hear and as we pointed out there are some strange
00:21:44
things in that call yeah and that's the best quality that we could find and we we kind of questioned using it anyways
00:21:50
because it's so hard to understand the actual context of what they're saying but we do believe that it also paints a
00:21:58
picture of that moment so let's listen to those clips we're gonna break them down into smaller clips and then okay so
00:22:41
911 see Mystique Roslyn is his first heard saying hi I just woke up and our back door was wide open and I think and
00:22:50
I can't find our daughter you can't find what our daughter okay what's your address now mystique
00:22:59
Roslin's answer we cannot we cannot hear there and it's not even deciphered on this transcript but when she's asked to
00:23:07
give the the numerical she doesn't know what that means I don't have so much of an issue with that she gives the the the
00:23:14
street as Green Lane and then you do hear her bleeped out that would be where she's giving the full street address and
00:23:22
this shows that she's uneducated I don't believe that she's stupid I just think she's uneducated well and she's 17 yeah
00:23:30
we factored that and and if she is to be believed she's in a very stressful situation a mind you heard the
00:23:38
information we have she has only been romantically involved with Ron for a handful of
00:23:45
months and may not be quick on her head feet as I like to say about some of the information that she's asked to provide
00:23:53
right because she is technically not the mother so when did you okay when did you
00:23:59
last see her misty responds um we like just you know it was about 10 o'clock she was sleeping I was cleaning okay how
00:24:09
old is your daughter misty quickly responds with she is five I don't have any problem I've seen a lot of people
00:24:15
online having a big issue with misty saying our daughter is missing right I don't find that to be problem some I
00:24:24
just emergency you don't have time to explain well technically it's not my real daughter but I'm but I'm sleeping
00:24:31
with her father and I take care of her everyday you know I mean like you don't have time for that right in the way that
00:24:40
I try to really view 911 calls the COS there's there's varying sides of the coin here some people will argue that
00:24:49
you can detect a lot of guilt and a lot of information can be pried from the person making the call and what
00:24:57
information they provide and what information they do not provide and then there's other people that just say you
00:25:02
know what they're reacting to a to a situation we can't figure out or should not speculate how one should react or or
00:25:10
what they should be doing in that moment I like the fall right between the two of
00:25:15
those my thought is is the general thought of anytime you're calling 9-1-1 you're you're asking for help
00:25:23
you're very simply put asking for help and assistance in a situation so i'm looking for people who are being helpful
00:25:33
or unhelpful in that situation that's what i want to see that's what i want to look at so saying our daughter just like
00:25:40
you said captain it's just really getting the information the very gist of it as quick as possible to the 911
00:25:47
operator in that situation you're probably thinking the faster that i provide good information to them the
00:25:53
faster they're going to appear on the scene the first responders god bless you and that they are going to be able to
00:25:59
help or fix this situation so our daughter that's no problem for me the other issue here is she's very young
00:26:07
she's dating this guy that's you know there's a age gap there and he's abusive and he's in the room with you and so
00:26:18
there's pressure to talk to the 911 dispatcher but there's also there has to be that pressure that you're gonna say
00:26:25
something wrong and piss off this guy that possibly will punch you in the face yeah and I I don't know how far I want
00:26:32
to go down that road because I know there's a lot more allegations of abuse than actual proof of such but you're
00:26:39
right captain that will be an underlining issue throughout the the course of this week's case I do find odd
00:26:48
that she points out that she was cleaning you know okay when did you last see Haley we like just you know it was
00:26:55
about 10 o'clock she was sleeping I was cleaning and I only really point this out because of what we will hear later
00:27:04
in the 9-1-1 call right but it's it's not the very simple answer that I think is most direct and most quick to the
00:27:12
point of saying I went to bed around 10:00 she was in the room with me that that's just where my head would go again
00:27:21
this is is a stressful situation well yeah it gets a little convoluted there because is she talking about doing
00:27:28
laundry is that a part of cleaning or was she trying to clean but then was cleaning for a minute and then laid down
00:27:35
with the kids you know and asked out I thought about that too when analyzing the 911 call what what my verbage would
00:27:44
be and I was thinking about it this way like if if I were simply just doing laundry and you asked me hey what are
00:27:51
you doing oh I'm doing some laundry now if I were doing laundry and cleaning the
00:27:55
house right at the same time which you know you can do thanks to these wonderful washing machines that do the
00:28:01
washing for you I would I would summarize it by I'm doing some cleaning I would just bundle that in
00:28:07
with the laundry and cleaning [Music] there's something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from
00:29:17
achieving your goals better help online counseling can help that our help offers
00:29:22
licensed professional counselors who are specialized in the issues such as depression anxiety relationships trauma
00:29:30
anger family conflicts LGBT matters grieve self esteem and more connect with your professional counselor in a safe
00:29:39
and private online environment and get help at your own time in your own pace anything that you share is confidential
00:29:47
and it's so convenient you can schedule secure video or phone sessions as well as chat or text with your therapist and
00:29:54
if for some reason you're not happy with your counselor though you can request a
00:29:58
new one at anytime for no additional charge best of all it's a truly affordable option true-crime garage
00:30:05
listeners even get 10% off your first month with discount code garage so why not get started today go to better help
00:30:12
calm slash garage then simply fill out a questionnaire to help them assess your needs and get matched with the counselor
00:30:20
you'll love that's better help calm slash garage we all want a haven a place that feels uniquely you joy burden
00:30:29
empowers you to create the furniture and space that brings you joy with joy bird
00:30:33
you get one-of-a-kind furniture crafted to your unique tastes want a sofa an aquatic blue would you like a loveseat
00:30:40
in the hottest red if you can dream it joy bird can make it a reality and their team of free personal design consultants
00:30:48
can help nail down your perfect design each joy bird piece is made by hand with care and precision using high quality
00:30:55
hardwood and responsibly sourced materials to fit your exact specifications and joy bird even offers
00:31:03
a range of kid and pet friendly upholstery options so that your creations can stand the test of time
00:31:09
I ordered a lounge chair from joy bird last year I love this lounge chair best chair in my house it showed up easy
00:31:16
breezy I didn't have to put anything together no assembly required and today it looks
00:31:22
as good and it's just as sturdy and comfortable as the first day that I have yeah I've seen this chair and it's it's
00:31:29
a fabulous looking chair but it's also super comfortable see how joy bird can help you design
00:31:34
your dream space find your joy today at Juli bird comm slash garage that's joy bird comm / garage to create the
00:31:43
furniture that brings you joy go to joy bird comm / garage and receive an exclusive offer for 25% off your first
00:31:51
order by using our promo code garage go to joy bird comm / garage today [Music] all right we're back cheers mates big
00:32:14
garage Cheers okay in this portion of the call this is where I really first start hearing
00:32:20
Ronald in the background mm-hmm and so now we have to keep in mind that during this 911 call we have misty who is
00:32:29
talking to the operator as well as we have Ronald talking to her as well so she's being kind of torn into two
00:32:36
different conversations the 911 operator says okay what was Haleigh last seen wearing to where she
00:32:45
then has to say ma'am because you can hear Ronald in the background and then misty comes back and says she was
00:32:51
wearing her pajamas she was sleeping okay all right you said your back door was wide open
00:32:57
misty yes it was bricked there was a brick on the floor when I was asleep it was not like that 9-1-1 okay the back
00:33:06
door listen to me your back door was wide open what are you talking about a brick what is a brick misty says it's
00:33:14
almost like on the stairs we have a walkway nine-one-one and there's a brick lying
00:33:20
there misty says yes it's still there and then you hear Ron again he's in the background and he's saying something to
00:33:27
the effect of tell them they've they better come tell him to come on and we have the 911 operator trying to cool the
00:33:35
situation she's telling misty please tell him we got them coming to which misty complies I I don't know that I see
00:33:46
anything weird in there I I do appreciate the 911 operator trying to keep misty focused and get the proper
00:33:55
information from her especially about this brick situation with the the back door there yeah and I think people that
00:34:02
claim that any of these comments are guilt or innocent it's kind of you know nonsense
00:34:10
anyways because this whole brick situation we don't know if she saw the brick herself or
00:34:18
he is if Ronald comes in and he's just yelling about stuff and saying there was a brick and you know I mean like you she
00:34:26
might just be tossing out information that he's tossing out but according to one at least one of her stories is that
00:34:33
she saw the door propped open and that's what prompted her to go back into the room with the kids right but I notice is
00:34:41
Haley missing right but that's where it gets weird because I've also heard all these stories that there are two doors
00:34:46
there's a screen door and later it I believe she says or Ronald says the screen door was propped open by the
00:34:54
brick and then the actual door was wide open mm-hmm and again readings to have both be wide open her statement
00:35:02
to 9-1-1 makes it confusing as well because when they're discussing the the details about this brick or the door her
00:35:10
first statement is that it was on the floor the back door is wide open and the brick was a wide open and it was on the
00:35:18
floor and then later saying that it was on the stairs we have a walkway so right
00:35:25
and that is you can almost picture this in your head where it's one door propped
00:35:30
open with a brick inside the home and then maybe a screen door going out the other direction propped up on the
00:35:38
outside of the home with a brick yeah which if you're going off of just what she says on 911 that's the picture
00:35:44
that's painted for me let's get into clip three okay okay here so we are getting at this
00:37:07
section they want to know what does the house look like what color is your house
00:37:11
Missy says blue now we got to get a description of hailey what does she look like how tall is she
00:37:18
give me some description of her misty says how tall is she you know she's probably either trying to clarify with
00:37:25
the operator or asking Ronald who's in the background probably stomping around the home hmm
00:37:33
she goes on to say Missy says like long hair like curly with curls nine-one-one long curls what color misty
00:37:41
she's white well you're missing the point where she says about four and I think she's gonna say about four feet
00:37:50
tall which would not be correct but she does clearly state about four okay I couldn't hear that in this this portion
00:37:58
and I guess I'm guessing that the 911 operator could not either because they're they're clarifying about the the
00:38:06
hair color what color hair brown hair Missy says yes oh my god or oh my god and goes on to see something else that I
00:38:14
could not detect there well when she initially says what color she says white right and she's like no no hair color
00:38:23
right and that's what the 9-1-1 operator wants to clarify this is where they move
00:38:28
on and they want to know how tall Haley is okay how tall is she about or how much does she weigh do you know that to
00:38:37
which we have the huh response 9-1-1 clarifies about how tall or how much does she weigh misty 24 sounds about
00:38:47
right I don't know she's not that tall that's very confusing to me because that's why
00:38:53
I was saying about the four okay it doesn't to me it's not I don't know if she says 24 it sounds like four right I
00:39:01
didn't I couldn't figure out from that statement if if 24 is inches yeah or or weight or both because she follows it up
00:39:13
with I don't know she's not that tall and and she is being asked how tall or how much does she weigh at the same time
00:39:21
you have and also thing about this when you're raising kids if somebody would have asked me how tall is you know your
00:39:29
littlest steps on at four or five or whenever you you just guess cuz you don't really know yeah and in for me
00:39:38
children have always been tough for me to guess like if there's an adult and you asked me for a description I could
00:39:45
very quickly give you approximate height and weight yeah and then I think that's
00:39:50
where the next part comes in is when they're they go from height to weight and then this is again where people will
00:39:59
claim that you know she's so dumb or so stupid and I think some of this is just again how much do they weigh she's like
00:40:08
I don't know 40 50 60 I think some of that is nerves obviously because I think when somebody's asking a question and
00:40:19
you're racing your brain is racing to get to the answer but you're kind of this to me
00:40:26
proves that she's confused oh yeah and it could be confused for any number of reasons but that's also why question
00:40:34
what's taking place on this 9/11 one called not so much as what she's saying but it almost seems strange to me that
00:40:42
Ronald hands the phone to her he should be much better equipped to answer all of
00:40:48
these questions and I'm basing that simply off of the fact that he's the father Misty's not the mother and according to
00:40:57
the information we have they were only romantically involved for a short period of time before this 9-1-1 call goes down
00:41:04
this is information that he should know he should be better equipped to provide answers rather than misty for the record
00:41:12
according to her missing flier Haley is three foot tall and was listed at 39 pounds the day that she went missing
00:41:21
right and again when people go oh she's so stupid how much does she weigh I don't know 40
00:41:27
pounds boom she's 39 pounds she got it right but in this state of confusion I don't know 40 50 60 Hey
00:41:37
and what's weird to me like you said what's going on in the call in the background how long did this is not a
00:41:45
big house this is a you know a trailer right and it's like how long does that take for you to go she's not in here
00:41:54
okay now let's look on the outside all she's not there either but it's almost like he comes in the
00:42:02
house he's storming around and instantly he's going somebody stole her and to me
00:42:10
that shows more of what's going on outside of his life what's going on in his personal life that he would walk in
00:42:20
and immediately go somebody took her because the first thought your kids not in your bed not in their bed where are
00:42:29
they are they hiding somewhere do they go to another room did they get outside yeah and we'll get to that portion with
00:42:36
this next clip okay and then they hang up I'm oh he's very suspicious when people hang up on 9-1-1
00:43:41
i couldn't find anywhere either misty or ronald saying that they got disconnected or anything like that that
00:43:50
so it seems to me like which is very possible though right but i would like to know that it because it's weird to me
00:43:57
that ronald would hang up the phone because it i gotta believe it was him he's the last one speaking before the
00:44:03
the call drops yeah so well I think he was having a hard time and has seen they're pretending to cry that he maybe
00:44:13
didn't know how to continue so I hung up the phone I felt that it was more out of
00:44:18
like anger that he may have hung up the phone so in the beginning of this portion very possible we're again trying
00:44:25
to get some more information just basic stuff Misty's name and phone number and then we go back to was the door the back
00:44:33
door locked do you know misty says yes Ronald we can hear him saying something like man I
00:44:39
need somebody to get here now to which the 911 operator wants to speak to Ronald Ronald gets on the phone he says
00:44:48
I just got home from work my five year old daughter is gone I need some one here now now this is where I think
00:44:55
that the statement of I was cleaning from misty is weird when I'm kind of layering these all together and one big
00:45:03
9/11 called Big Mac if you want to call it that so we have the I was cleaning that was the last time I saw her I just
00:45:11
woke up and she's missing first thing we hear from Ronald is I just got home from
00:45:17
work it's almost like we're laying out alibis correct it almost seems like unnecessary information for the purpose
00:45:26
of finding Haley well that's been his story the whole time and will continue to be his mantra if you will I was at
00:45:33
work how am I supposed to know find my daughter everybody needs to be looking for my goddamn daughter how's that work
00:45:39
how am I supposed to know anything I mean that's that's what he does for the next however many years well and then we
00:45:47
had the portion of him saying that you know if I find whoever has my daughter before you all do I'm killing
00:45:54
them I don't care I will spend the rest of my life in prison you can put that on
00:45:58
the recording I don't care write again that's a whole lot of conversation unnecessary conversation I
00:46:05
understand he might just be furious and reacting to the situation but you can go
00:46:10
ahead and put that on the recording I don't care almost like I want that on the record I want it on the record to
00:46:17
show that I was so upset and angry that I come into a situation and my daughter's missing and the fact that
00:46:23
she's missing I'm willing to kill the individual that did it yeah that's how much I care and it seems to me almost as
00:46:31
if he came home and his daughter's missing and he's gone oh I knew somebody could take her did does that make any
00:46:39
sense well I guess in this situation he's going off of the assumption of seeing the door propped open and but I
00:46:48
think it's more than that well it could be we don't know but but the the very simple thing that I'm
00:46:55
looking for in this call as I stated is being helpful or unhelpful this whole thing of if I find whoever has my
00:47:03
daughter before you do I'm going to kill him extremely unhelpful to the for the purpose of the 9-1-1 call and then on
00:47:10
foot on top of that that statement is strange in itself because during that situation he's not out looking for
00:47:18
anybody he's not out looking for Haley he's not out looking for whoever may have took her yeah it seems like he's
00:47:24
just stomping around his house and in this situation why would you look if I was the father it would be me either me
00:47:31
on the 911 call or if I'm handing the phone off to somebody I'm going outside where I can find this child or the
00:47:39
person or at least have a shot at it at least have a who's to say that if let's say he believes 100% that somebody
00:47:46
took her and he's completely innocent of any wrongdoing there's a chance there's
00:47:52
a shot that this person took her and may have been on foot or was parked somewhat
00:47:59
nearby and this abduction just recently happened to hand the phone off and then just to stomp around in the background
00:48:06
and provide nothing of information and to provide little if anything in the way of help for the purpose of finding your
00:48:15
daughter just it's completely backwards it's completely opposite of the whole purpose
00:48:21
of the 911 call to begin with and then let's add to our Big Mac here right so 911 god bless this 911 operator because
00:48:31
I would have lost my [ __ ] a long time ago she says it's okay sir we've got them on the way okay can you give me
00:48:40
what kind of description of pajamas was she wearing - which Ronald Cummings says
00:48:45
I don't effing know I was at work and hangs up the phone yeah that's the most counterproductive thing that you could
00:48:52
possibly do in this city why not just ask misty who's who's clearly still in the same room with you if you don't know
00:49:00
rather than hanging up the phone let's let's help you know that's very unhelpful again okay so what is he doing
00:49:10
in the trailer why all this was going on do you have any idea or well I'm basing
00:49:17
off basing this off of what his word or what I think he is to be saying because again I think he's just kind of
00:49:24
stomping around the house maybe he is walking in and out of the trailer during this time right but because there's
00:49:32
there are times where you can hear him much louder than other times and I think he's probably pretty vocal through the
00:49:39
entirety of these calls right but some of that he's vocal with Misty and some of it he's just vocal to anybody that's
00:49:48
willing to listen and I think he's really just walking around at some point I do hear him say something to the point
00:49:56
of where is my phone now we believe that misty is on his phone and and you know phone but again reactionary he might be
00:50:06
looking for her phone and just said that and that you will hear that in one of the upcoming clips well he also likes to
00:50:13
wear these chains like a necklace it's a little chains and they're like really small so I wonder if he's like because
00:50:20
he's gonna go find who took his daughter and kill him if he's also looking for his little tiny chain to put on so he's
00:50:27
a little tougher when he confronts the person now this is where we're going to hear 911 back to Ronald coming
00:51:14
okay ma'am okay so the door look like it was pried open look like it does it look
00:51:29
like you had some sort of someone try to enter into your house another thing make
00:51:37
sure you and your husband don't touch the door anymore don't go through the door or anything okay tell your husband
00:52:12
well what's her middle name this okay we tell them we understand we need to get her date of birth
00:52:35
okay listen to me I'm getting this information I'm not the Oxford driving out there okay there's a handle that
00:52:42
situation I need to gather all the information from you over the phone is nothing to do with me driving out there
00:52:48
so often take care of that okay they're coming out there okay okay I'm gonna stay on the phone with you okay
00:53:00
oopy until they get there all right oh we got him coming try to calm down a little bit okay we
00:53:32
can't have him yell it's awesome whenever they get there okay see and it sounds like they hang up again they
00:53:48
being the people calling and asking for help right well they didn't call this time right rain but the ones that need
00:53:55
help correct but it's weird that two guys I wish I could understand what he's saying in the background cuz I think
00:54:01
he's saying more I really think there was something to this idea that in his head somebody took his child and looking
00:54:10
it might not be somebody that is involved in his drug history or in his drug circle but you also have had
00:54:19
custody issues with your ex and so is that where his head is going has taken him you know all did my did my did my
00:54:28
ex-wife come take our daughter mm-hmm I'll kill him you know like they can't do this I have
00:54:34
custody now yeah I mean so that's that's where I wonder where his head is going well when 911 calls back it is Ronald
00:54:43
the answers the phone he says hello and then he's like whining and crying which should be expected in this situation to
00:54:52
which the 911 operator wants to talk to misty now because Ronald's of no help and they want to get some more
00:55:00
information this part is real interesting to me because this is one of the few times throughout this lengthy
00:55:07
9-1-1 call where they do where misty and Ronald do provide some good information
00:55:13
to which the 911 operator very smartly asked ma'am okay listen I need you to answer some questions does the door look
00:55:21
like it was pried open to which it takes some time to get to the answer but misty
00:55:29
says no it doesn't right it doesn't and then 911s to clarify it doesn't look like
00:55:35
it is to which misty says no right I again look she didn't know what Numerical meant so is it possible that
00:55:44
she heard the word Prai and she was trying to figure out you know is it propped his prior word with prop that's
00:55:52
that's where my head goes but the door is propped open and when asked if the door was pried open she's saying no
00:55:58
right but I think that's where the that's where the hesitation is is that either one she might not be able to you
00:56:05
know hear her but maybe she doesn't really fully understand the question I'm gonna go the other way with that because
00:56:13
when when asked if the door is still propped open she says yes when asked if it looks like it was pried open she says
00:56:19
no now this is where the 911 operator very smartly again lets them know hey tell your husband to do not touch
00:56:29
anything because they are going to get a k-9 unit out there misty says okay tells
00:56:35
him not to touch anything they're bringing canines out now Ronald Cummings in the background at this point you're
00:56:41
hearing him say something to the effect of they better bring something out here because if I get my hands on that mf'er
00:56:47
I'm going to kill him I don't give a f--- about prison again reminding us prison doesn't scare him again not
00:56:56
helpful to misty or the 900 operator and thus leans against the the X theory that
00:57:04
I had that that he was thinking that possibly the X came that he's going through a short list of people in his
00:57:10
head then they say when I get a hold of him and and then you go well was she seeing somebody that that maybe he
00:57:18
thought would be responsible for this and I like that the operators pointing out hey he's got to be he's got a comet
00:57:26
down a little bit because we can't have him being violent or screaming and yelling when the officers arrived on the
00:57:33
scene because they're going to be face-to-face they're going to need to get more better information than what
00:57:39
was this operator tried her very best to get good information she's just not getting it from Ronald or from misty
00:57:48
to which again at the end of the call they're being asked we need to get her date of birth we need to get Hailey's
00:57:56
date of birth misty does not seem to know that it it seems more to me like she's asking Ronald what is her date of
00:58:05
birth rather than clarifying with the 911 operator that's what she's doing and Ronald then says eff her date of birth
00:58:11
we need to find her eff her date of birth for the record Hailey's date of birth is August 17 2003
00:58:19
well that's because this numbnuts doesn't know his daughter's date of birth that's why Brian let's blessed be
00:58:26
he gets upset Oh ever dated birth well it's it's called come out here and find her it's like no you you're such a loser
00:58:35
that don't even know your own daughter's date of birth and as the call continues
00:58:42
I believe to hear him say that he's looking for his phone kind of shouting about where is my phone or where is a
00:58:49
phone and clearly at the end you hear him say where is my effing phone and I kind of believe that that you know he
00:58:59
follows it up with we've got better people to talk to than some M efforts who ain't coming and again it sounds to
00:59:06
me like they once again hang up the phone I would love to know if in fact if that's the situation and if it was
00:59:13
Ronald that hung up the phone or misty I find it strange that either of them would do so again extremely unhelpful to
00:59:20
the situation that started with them calling and asking for help now I do believe here I don't have the
00:59:29
time stamps of the start of this call we mentioned that the call came in at 3:27
00:59:38
and the call is what 7 minutes 8 minutes long well if you combine the two okay so and we don't know if there's a
00:59:48
break-in time during the the time that they were disconnected well there is a break on the audio clip
00:59:53
but I don't know if that's in real time does that make sense so you're looking at right maybe 20 seconds of
00:59:59
disconnection and then 911 calls but which could have been a couple minutes in real life yeah I actually
01:00:06
assume that it's not hmm I actually assume because you can hear the dialing and you can actually hear that the
01:00:12
operator that it's consist all they hung up and we're still recording and now because I'm assuming that in this
01:00:21
situation their protocol is for 911 to call back hmm and so why stop the recording just keep
01:00:28
it going so here where he's saying that he's looking for his phone or he's looking
01:00:33
for a phone and he says follows that up with we've got better people to talk to I got better to be able to talk to well
01:00:42
there I feel like it's it's if he is innocent of anything then then he's just frustrated with the call he's frustrated
01:00:50
with the situation he's probably hopefully frustrated with himself that he doesn't know some very
01:00:55
basic information about his small child right but on top of that there I think what he's meaning is his mother who we
01:01:02
do know shows up to the scene very quickly and this is where I believe that we can say that's who he called and
01:01:10
that's who he's wanting to call in that moment while misty is still on the phone
01:01:15
with 911 to today this guy's a douche you know and I and I think that's I think this is his attitude like you said
01:01:28
throughout the whole conversation where is he trying to help it's it's almost like he's displacing the blame now on
01:01:37
them that you guys won't even show up and look I'm here trying to help and I do feel like that's setting he's setting
01:01:46
the scene for something at 9:30 a.m. on February 10th a nationwide Amber Alert was issued for Haley and Murray Cummings
01:01:55
age five blondish hair brown eyes 40 pounds wearing a pink shirt and tan shorts missing from her family home
01:02:05
members of the cart program the child abduction response team started to converge on satsuma one of these was
01:02:14
John merchant a Putnam County Sheriff's Office homicide investigator another was Robert
01:02:20
Hardwick from the state's attorney's office there were also members of the FBI present the
01:02:27
case was being treated as an abduction from the very start [Music] [Music] whatever struggles you are facing from
01:02:53
depression and anxiety to trauma and grief better help can connect you with a professional counselor and a safe and
01:03:00
private online environment it's so convenient you can even schedule secure video or phone sessions as well as chat
01:03:07
and text with your therapist and anything that you share is completely confidential best of all it's a truly
01:03:13
affordable option true-crime garage listeners even get 10% off your first month with the discount code garage so
01:03:21
why not get started simply go to better help calm slash garage and fill out a questionnaire to get matched with the
01:03:27
counselor you'll love today and like the captain always says thank you for listening thank you for telling a friend
01:03:33
we'll see you back here in the garage tomorrow until then be good be kind don't let him
01:03:47
[Music] [Applause] [Music]