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and grab a chair and grab a beer let's talk some true crime thank you [Music] Colonel this is true crime garage and
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this is the case of John Wayne [Music] gasy the Cook County States attorney's office
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tonight denying reports that there is an investigation underway to find an accomplice to the murders of those 27
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people their bodies found at the home of John gasy those reports are being spurred by statements of Jeff rigol who
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says gasy drugged and sexually molested him at the gasy home gasy himself scheduled appear tomorrow in court to
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face the charges in connection with the rignall case but it's doubtful that he will be in court the ramifications of
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the mass murder tonight continue to spread even the people totally unrelated to gasy his house or those he had
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dealings with the sad effects now reaching into Chicago's community of clowns for hundreds of people in the
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Chicago area who use the grease paint costumes and antics of a clown this picture in the Chicago Tribune came as a
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shock it was a publicity picture John gasy used in his sometime role as an entertainer of children now clown
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organizations say their image has has been damaged with guilt by association these are members of the
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clown Guild of Metropolitan Chicago better known by such names as Snappy happy wacko ho ho and me too pictures
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show them in action doing what they love making youngsters laugh even a tiny smile will make their day sometimes they
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are paid for their work often they perform at no charge for charity but now the first question people ask is did
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they know and work with joh gasey we have checked the National Organization which is clowns of America the Shriner
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organization a number of the organizations within the Chicago area and after checking with these people we
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found that he is not now nor has ever been a member or associated with any of these organizations within this area the
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public might be wondering how they can avoid a person with questionable character coming out to a party what
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would be some of the ways that you could guarantee um the type of people that you're coming out with would be
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reputable I believe the main thing would be to uh if they're going to get a clown
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is to get an organization such as the Vagabond clowns or clowns metropolitan Chicago nairomi clown troop an
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organization that has a number of members and that way they can pick from those members the clown Guild wanted
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their story told not because they fear economic loss but because of the apprehension they sense from the public
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and tonight they offer insight into John gasy by analyzing the way he put on his
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clown makeup they say the lines forming his mouth are not rounded but pointed giving a harsh mean look only a true
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clown could notice [Music] that all right can't make that up people that's real news let's start off by telling a
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story that takes place December 11th 1978 in Dez Plains Illinois at a little place called Nissan's Pharmacy John
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Wayne gasey is there and he's busy writing up a proposal he has met with the owner to do some remodeling at the
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pharmacy he's taking measurements and shooting the [ __ ] with the owner and while he's there he also talks to a
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handful of the employees most of them being young teenagers most of the people he speaks with are young females uh
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after the appointment John gasy goes home on the way home he realizes that he forgot his appointment book at the
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pharmacy he had he had another appointment that night so it was important that he retrieve that book as
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soon as possible mhm once he got home he left his black Oldsmobile there and he hopped in his pickup truck this is the
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one with the snow plow on the front of it and he drove back to the pharmacy and he was thinking that maybe it wouldn't
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be a complete waste of a trip if he somehow picked up a you know a plow job while he was out you know keep in mind
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this is winter in Illinois mhm while he is there he when he pulls up he bumps into a young man this is 15-year-old
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Robert pest now Rob had seen John Wayne gasy at the pharmacy earlier that day and he had overheard John talking to
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some of the pharmacy employees telling them that he was looking to hire new help and that he started off his
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employees at $5 an hour that's $5 an hour for part-time workers now Rob PS at the time he's 15 years old saving up for
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that magical day when he turned 16 years old to buy his first vehicle he's saving
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up for a Jeep and he's worked very hard at the pharmacy he's making $2.85 an hour he's asked his boss for a
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raise and was turned down for such so he was interested in talking to Mr gayy about that position yeah this doubles
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his wage so as he's outside taking out the trash now mind you it's very cold out there he sees the contractor pull up
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in the in the pickup truck he goes up to the window and he says Hi Mr gasy my name is Rob pest I've worked at the
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pharmacy for quite some time and I heard you're looking to take on some new help
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well gasy says well I was I was watching you work and you're pretty busy hard worker I like that you know while I was
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there taking my measurements and talking with the with the owner that that's the
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time when most of the people would kind of screw around and you know they're not
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under the watchful eye of the owner so I noticed the whole time you kept you stayed busy and you kept working so yes
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I would like to talk to you about working for my company Rob tells gasy that he should probably get back inside
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that he didn't want the owner catching him while on the clock talking to the contractor about a new job so he goes
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back inside but before so gasy says you know what how about I wait for you and we can talk after you're done working
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and I also have to go inside and collect my appointment book and take some more measurements anyway m so gasy goes back
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in says hi to the owner collects his appointment book he you know messes around for a little bit inside the store
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and then he leaves the pharmacy and he sits in his truck waiting for Rob pest Rob piest comes out at the end of his
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shift he's talking to gasy he says he's very much interested in a position um he
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couldn't talk much more about it that night because it was his mother's birthday his mother was inside the
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pharmacy waiting to take Rob home well gasy says you know what we should probably hash this out tonight I can't
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wait around to to hire the right person so how about we talk about the job and I'll drive you home afterwards well Rob
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agrees to this and inside gas's truck John Wayne gasy explains to the boy that before we can hire you you know we have
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to fill out some paperwork we have to fill out the appropriate tax forms these these forms are at my home which it's
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it's only about 20 minutes away right and I could drive you home after I'll have you home in about 45 minutes no
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thanks Rob accepts uh the offer he's hopeful to get the new job mhm and now they're back at John Wayne gas's home
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now at this point gasy is going to try to welcome the boy into his home and we know Gay's attitude by this point he's
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probably talking a lot about himself telling Rob how important he is telling Rob that he's a registered clown sounds
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like somebody else I know yeah and then offers the kid a beer telling him that here at PDM you will learn that you
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don't just work hard but we play hard too and I can't just hire anyone I got to make sure that you are a good fit now
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young Rob is eager to get home but he decides that he's willing to play along and hang out with his potential future
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boss and maybe even sit and enjoy a beer with him mhm now gasy would walk off and
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he would go into the other room to collect the necessary paperwork now when he returned he had the paperwork with
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him but he also had a pair of handcuffs all right the famous handcuffs and in a sing songy tone he would say I've got a
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trick I want to show you a trick I want to show you John waved the Cuffs in front of Rob's face showing him that the
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Cuffs are very much real John then placed the cuff around his left wrist and with a couple of clicks the cuff was
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secure around his wrist and then John placed the open cuff around his right wrist and click click click now both
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cuffs are secure around gas's thick wrist in front of his big beer belly mhm he pulled the Cuffs apart and the chains
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tightened again he did it demonstrating that the Cuffs are very real then gasy lifted up both arms and he quickly
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turned around and almost instantly he turned back around again facing young Rob pest but now the Cuffs were off he
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had performed a real magic trick Rob says how the heck did you do that Casey says I can show you but first check this
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out gy hands the handcuffs to Rob check them out they're real Rob checks them out looking for a trick button or some
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kind of release but these are real handcuffs Rob agrees these are real handcuffs okay gayy says I'm going to
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turn around and I want you to put the cuffs on my wrist behind my back Rob put the cuffs on gas's wrist gasey spins
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around again facing Rob again and gasy out of the Cuffs wow Rob thought he's half surprised at the trick but he's
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also probably playing along with his weirdo because he really wanted to get this good job mhm all right gasy says
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you want to know the trick the trick is you have to have the key oh no [ __ ] and he says this as if
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he's pulling the key out of thin air gasy holds out his hand and in it is a small handcuff key look here I'll show
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you how to hide the key between your fingers so that no one can see it and I'll show you how to slip out of the
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Cuffs very quickly let's start off by putting these cuffs on you yeah how about we don't
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gasy secured each of the Cuffs to the boy's thin wrist [ __ ] John with his thick finger starts to hand Rob the key
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and then he quickly pulls his hand back away from Rob stop playing around John give me the key Rob watched in amazement
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and it appeared as if gas's face was transforming his eyes fluttered and his pupils expanded and became dark it was
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as if Rob was looking at a totally different person mhm Rob heard gas's phone ring Rob looked down as he
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struggled with his arms trying to get the Cuffs to budge but they wouldn't and then he hears casy's voice well we
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better get you home let's get you out of those cuffs I was just playing around Rob looked up and there was the old John
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gasy again his big round face smiling gasy took the key and he put it in the cuffs and unlatched them Rob tells gasy
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you scared me that's some trick the two agreed to collect their things and go returning to Rob's home but before they
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could walk out the front door gasy said you know let me show you one more thing you're going to love this gasy had a
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three-foot piece of rope in one hand and he P picked up a wooden Hammer handle with the other hand it's just a wooden
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handle though there's no Hammerhead on it he very quickly tied a series of knots and he slid the wooden handle
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through a couple of them check this out gasy said with excitement and he placed his Contraption over the boy's head and
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around his neck Rob asked what kind of trick is this gasy twist the handle a few times and Rob's face instantly turns
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beat red Rob is choking and the handle is wedged firmly against his back right gy jumps back and away from the boy Rob
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falls to the floor and with one hand he's trying to get his fingers under the Rope around his neck and the other hand
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is twisted up behind his back as he stretches reaching trying to grab the wooden handle gy laughed and jumped
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about the room as he watched the boy squirm the more Rob moved the more he jerked the tighter the Rope got Rob
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would not survive this trick gas's phone rang again the first first time it rang
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he had let the machine get it this time gasy answered it was gas's relative requesting that he go to the hospital
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because gas's elderly uncle's Health had taken a bad turn and he was dying gasy said he would be there in about an hour
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he hung up the phone and he carried Rob's lifeless body into his bedroom he stripped the boy and he folded the
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clothes and placed them in a bag he stuffed one or two pieces of cloth like material into Rob's mouth so fluid would
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not leak out he went back out into the main room he looked around the room and he saw the two beer bottles he emptied
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them and he threw them in the trash he grabbed Rob's Parker checked the pockets and found a receipt for film from the
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pharmacy where he had picked up Rob gasy threw the receipt in the trash and folded up the Parker and placed it in
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the bag with the clothes he took a shower got dressed and drove to the hospital and on the way he threw the bag
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with Rob's clothes in it in a Salvation Army clothing Dropbox that night at 11:00 p.m. Harold pest with his wife and
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two children went to the Dez Plains Police Department and filed the following missing person's report Robert
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Jerome piest male caucasian age 15 slender to medium build brown hair brown eyes tan leave eyes t-shirt brown pants
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brown suede shoes tan parka last scene in the area Nissan's Pharmacy well just a little PSA right mhm if some uh sloppy
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guy right mhm is telling you hey I got I want to show you a little trick with some handcuffs right mhm you say well
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first let me show you a Kick let me let me show you a crane kick to the grundle yes so that's what you do the
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thing here that I found interesting was that Harold PS with his wife and the two
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children they went to the police department and filed the missing person's report happy happy birthday to
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your mother but we're talking about 1978 you know we've covered lots of cases where we have missing boys in the late
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70s early 80s and they don't really take these reports very seriously when you call them in because a lot of times
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these police go to the effort to go out and look for this person and then they find out that the kid was just out on
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his own doing whatever he wanted to do he was just running late or you know decided he was going to take off for a
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little this one's a little weird because he's leaving work and his mom was at his
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work M and he just never made it home and I like that they went in there with the whole family you know and they're
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telling the officer no this kid is missing you know Harold explains that the kid has been gone for hours it's his
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wife's birthday they were celebrating Rob wouldn't have missed that and he had even called the pharmacy to see if Rob
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would be there he was not he spoke to the owner and the owner said you know that that it's possible that Rob might
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talked to a contractor or something like that about a job he had heard from the other kids well he got the phone number
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for the contractor and Harold had called to ask the contractor about Rob well he
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ends up getting the answering machine Harold left a message on John Wayne gas's answering machine very likely
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right around the same time that gasy was attacking the boy but we've all been there you know what I mean we we've all
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been there no I mean we've been all been in Rob's shoes on on the idea that you know you're let's say you're talking to
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somebody about a job mhm oh well so just sit down and have a chat and then you realize the conversation is not going to
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be about the job yeah it's going to be and then you just sit there like okay what the hell am I still doing here I
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just please let me leave is this guy looking for a friend or to hire me right yeah I I also think when you're about
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that age you know the the 14 to 16 17y old boy age mhm I think you know you definitely get the creep Factor by
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certain guys you do you do um but I also think that when you see at that age when
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you see a successful adult you have this opinion of them without even knowing them that they're some kind of
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upstanding person um the next morning the police called John Wayne gas's home they speak with him because he's at home
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hosting a meeting amongst other businessmen that he's you know working out some jobs or details of an upcoming
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job and gasy basically says you know I don't yeah I was at the pharmacy I was there for a job um I didn't remember
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talking to any boys um I talked to some of the teenage girls that were there I might have maybe a boy asked me about
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some shelving in the back or something like that he goes you know he he comes off like he's trying to be helpful but
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he's not providing any information he's not seen the boy that they're talking about well that that evening uh gasy
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takes the body of Rob piest he loads it into his 79 Oldsmobile Delta 88 and he drives it to I to the I55 bridge over
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top of the Dez plains River okay and gasey gets out of the vehicle he opens up the truck he Hoist the boy's body up
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into his arms and he tossed the body into the river the plus siiz model was good at shot putut well after the
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officer learns the name of the contractor he decides that there's some kind of evidence there's enough evidence after
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talking to people at the pharmacy that there's a good chance that this John Wayne gasy character probably talked to
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the boy and for whatever reason he's not you know admitting to that tell us the truth or he doesn't remember doing so so
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he decides to run a background check on gasy the next day oh imagine that yeah and he was surprised to find that gasy
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had served time for committing sodomy on a teenager years earlier soon after the
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Discovery Well the officer worked very hard to obtain a search warrant for John gas's house it was there that he
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believed that he would find Robert PS so once they get the search warrant they're
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going to search the pogos Pogo the Clown's house pogo's Playhouse oh god um yeah so gasy
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was not home at the time of the search and so they conducted their investigation they went into the home
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and they're looking for items to point to whether Rob pest was at the home or if he's still there now they don't find
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Rob pest there some of the items that they found that were confiscated from gas's home were the following a jewelry
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box containing two driver's license uh neither of them gasy they also found a couple of rings um one of them include
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an engravement on it and this was from the main West High School class of 1975 with the initials J on it they found a
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box containing marijuana and rolling papers seven pornographic movies marijana pills including valume a
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switchblade knife a stained section of rug color photographs of pharmacies and drugstores an address book a scale books
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about buy and gay Lifestyles a pair of handcuffs with keys a nylon rope a 3ft long wooden handle with two holes
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drilled in each end of it a small starter pistol with with uh gun caps basically like like blanks uh they also
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found police badges some sex toys a hypodermic syringe and an unlabeled small brown bottle they found clothing
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that was way too small for John Wayne gasy and they found a receipt for a roll of film with a serial number on it and
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this was from Nissan's Pharmacy three automobiles belonging to gasy were also confiscated Jesus guy's a baller
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including the pickup truck that we discussed earlier it's that plus-size model money as well as his 79 Oldsmobile
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and a van with PDM contractors on its side now within the trunk of the car they found some pieces of hair uhhuh
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uhhuh I'd like to talk about the receipt that was found right you know there's so
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we should assume that that was the receipt of the boys well that's that's what their thought thought is so the
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police their thought is you know this comes from Nissan's Pharmacy this is where uh the boy was however gasy was
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there too so we can't prove that this receipt belonged to the boy you know gasy could have bought film at some
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point at the pharmacy so what they do is they take the receipt and they go back to the pharmacy and they start
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discussing this receipt with a bunch of the employees well they talk with one employee and her name is Kim buers she's
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a cashier there she's a teenage girl well Rob piest was was a pretty popular kid I mean he was very well-liked by
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everyone he was a good-looking kid uh I think he you know he was he was a kid that the the the girls kind of chased at
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high school a little B sounds a little bit like the colonel nothing like the kle anyway
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they're talking to these different employees and this Kim berer says you know what that night was a particularly
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cold night and the door here I'm you know the cashier's up by the door usually uh and every time the door would
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open all that cold air would rush in so Rob being a nice guy he offers to let her borrow his parka his jacket that's a
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gentleman yeah he that's a gentleman that's how it's done instead of standing up here and shivering your butt off you
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know here wear this parka and you'll be warm for the evening let me keep your butt warm is what he said well Kim buers
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she had a bit of a crush on Rob so she had purchased some film from Nissan's Pharmacy and she purposely put the rece
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receipt in the jacket pocket because she thought you know what he'll find the receipt he'll know that I left it in
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there by quote unquote mistake and he'll he'll come yeah he'll come and talk to me and maybe that's a smart move and
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maybe he'll ask me about the film maybe he'll ask me you know what what am I am I into photography or whatever and so
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it's you want me to take your picture it's there that the police learn that there is no way that that receipt could
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have ended up in gas's home unless Rob Pest and his Parker were at gas's home at some point that evening which this is
00:27:02
going to give him probable cause to do another search maybe a more in-depth search and also so let's get to that and
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to Dom over in England driving the bus cheers to you mate John Wayne gasy was called into the police department and he
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was told of the articles that they had confiscated now gasy was enraged and he immediately contacted his lawyer the
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police basically had nothing to arrest him on and they eventually had to release him after some more questioning
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about the PS boy's disappearance gasy was put under 24-hour surveillance and if anybody knows anything about this
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24-hour surveillance that John Wayne gasey was on uh it's it's I hate to make light of a of a terrible situation but
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it's the stuff that it's a comedy to me right Captain I mean I don't know what you're talking about gayy would he would
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he would purposely you know drive fast so he could lose them he knew he knew he was under surveillance um he would he
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would lose them and uh there were other times where he would tell them you know I know you guys are having trouble
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keeping up with me so if if you if you can't keep up I'll be at this place in a half an hour just meet me there and then
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he would drive off and lose them and sure enough he would be where he said he was going to be a half an hour later one
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of the times that he lost that he lost them uh they called the the airport because they were worried that gasy
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would fly out of the country and leave this situation that's going on because by this point you know they're convinced
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that they're going to find the PS boy either at his home somewhere or that he had done something with the boy now they
00:31:06
they call the airport and put his name on some kind of list and it turns out they find him he's two blocks away from
00:31:12
his house he's he's looking at Christmas trees at at a lot somewhere right you know and there was one situ happening
00:31:20
one situation the the police car breaks down and these are unmarked police cars MH but the police car breaks down and
00:31:27
gasy stops his vehicle he gets out and he goes up to the officers and he says you know what's the problem with the car
00:31:34
said the car broke down and he said okay well uh since you know why don't I just
00:31:38
give you guys a a lift you can ride with me um for the remainder of the day until
00:31:43
you get a new car right what's fascinating to me is you're under surveillance uh for this missing
00:31:52
teenage boy and the cops at this point are probably assuming that this teenage boy is dead mhm
00:31:59
and and you're just going about your business you know just buying Christmas trees yeah nothing's happening yeah and
00:32:07
the other thing that's going on here remember we talked about that one ring that was found in gas's home and they
00:32:13
end up believing it had the initials J on it they believe that the the ring could have belonged to a guy by the name
00:32:21
of John sick this is somebody we talked about yesterday um the situation here is
00:32:27
they also discover that three former employees of gases have also mysteriously disappeared now the problem
00:32:35
with this situation is these cases were reported in Chicago they weren't reported to the Dez Plains Police
00:32:42
Department remember the pest family went to the Dez Plains Police Department to to let them know that Rob was missing
00:32:49
right and it wasn't until then that a Dez Pain's police officer ran a background check that three times fast
00:32:57
yeah I couldn't I couldn't say it once um they run the background check and they see that gasy you know he has this
00:33:03
sodomy charge had the Chicago Police ran his background check with these other missing people and some of these cases
00:33:12
they were it was believe the last person who had seen them was gasy uh we might have been able to cut this list a little
00:33:19
shorter so they don't have the evidence but now they think that gasy could be responsible for the murder of anywhere
00:33:26
between one to four persons the thing here is after they searched his home they called in some of his friends now
00:33:35
these were I say friends but they're also people that worked for John Wayne gasy and two of the people that they
00:33:42
talked to and we mentioned these names yesterday is David crra and Mike Rossy um remember we had the discussion we
00:33:49
wondered if they were the same person just using different names you know sometimes when they tell these stories
00:33:54
they make up fake names to for poten potential victims to to hide their identity but the jury's out and they are
00:34:01
they're different people all right and the reason why the reason why I got confused was they had similar stories
00:34:07
they both worked for John Wayne gasy uh they both told police that at one time or another they had done projects for
00:34:15
gasy at his home and this included digging trenches in the crawl space as well as lifting up floorboards and
00:34:22
digging trenches under there uh they had also I'm glad the colonel figured it all
00:34:27
they had also poured concrete for him um remember Michael Rossi was the boy that
00:34:32
was driving the missing guys vehicle right um and David crra now David crra he was with John Wayne gasey the night
00:34:42
that gasy returned to his home after the first search was conducted and he walked
00:34:48
roomto room with John Wayne gasy as he inspected the things that the the police may have taken and what they looked
00:34:54
through right and during this inter interogation process with the police David crem tells them that gayy the
00:35:01
first place he went to in the home after you guys searched it was the crawl space
00:35:06
where I had dug those trenches before right so at some point we need to check that crawl space yeah that's exactly
00:35:13
what the police want to do they want to get in that cross space they they didn't
00:35:16
dig around in there the first time now the police also make a lot of statements about saying like you were saying John
00:35:23
Wayne gas's giv us rides you know our car is breaking down and he would just kind of stop by and
00:35:29
talk to us and I think even took him out to dinner and and and a few odd things like that and the police had to keep
00:35:37
reminding themselves like yeah this guy's a very Charming guy and he seems like on the surface just completely
00:35:44
Innocent but there's all these there's all this evidence leading to the fact that he's not mhm so they had to keep
00:35:51
reminding themselves and we're police officers you know we have to keep doing our job yeah and the police now they're
00:35:57
becoming frustrated because this surveillance that they're conducting they're kind of looking like like fools
00:36:03
in this whole situation because it's like I said it's comical um so let talk about the fish dinner right so do you
00:36:11
know much about this I I know just a little bit about it you're talking about when he invites the the guys the
00:36:17
officers that are surveilling him right there's right they're out front of his house yeah and he's at this point he he
00:36:23
knows he's under surveillance he's already talked to the cops multiple times but he cooks them a fish dinner mhm
00:36:29
right so they're like okay well we'll go in the house now this is after they searched already right but as they're
00:36:35
eating the fish dinner because you know the fish has you know an odor odor I think because there was a a secondary
00:36:45
odor mhm it really Drew their attention to the odor in the house yeah and and as
00:36:52
they're eating this fish dinner they're going something stinks in here yeah and it's not the fish yeah and I think one
00:37:01
of the officers said that it wasn't something that they outwardly noticed immediately but it was one of those
00:37:07
situations where as the longer they sat in the home every time the furnace would
00:37:11
kick on and start blowing that hot air around that they would notice this this foul stench yeah this funk so the police
00:37:20
they are frustrated due to the lack of evidence uh that they've collected regarding The Disappearance of Robert pi
00:37:27
they decide to arrest gayy on possession of marijuana andum uh during this time during this arrest now gasy is awaiting
00:37:37
action on some other charges remember yesterday we talked about Jeff ringal now this guy he is the one that was
00:37:45
abducted by gasy and he went and he he went to the area that he was taken from and he was looking for the vehicle that
00:37:52
that he had gotten into right and he found the vehicle and he wrote down the license plate well he took that plate to
00:37:58
the the police and once he got their John Wayne gas's name from them he filed sexual assault charges against him good
00:38:06
for him so at this time unbeknownst to the investigators we have this this other charge the sexual assault charge
00:38:15
right so they they have him in custody and they're going to keep doing more searches but then what comes from that
00:38:21
well they they're also interrogating gayy at this point and he's already lawyered up mhm what the cops don't know
00:38:28
is that gayy has already confessed to his attorneys okay well the attorneys think that he's suicidal because during
00:38:36
these confessions he's telling his attorneys you know for many years I've been the judge jury and executioner of
00:38:44
many and I'm going to be the judge jury and executioner of myself okay so the attorneys believe him to be suicidal and
00:38:53
they want to put him in the hospital this end ends up leading to more police interrogations with Mr gasy during these
00:39:02
interrogations gasy starts confessing to murder he does state that he had killed
00:39:08
someone but it had in fact been in self-defense oh of course and that he had buried the body underneath the the
00:39:16
garage well they've not started digging yet uh but this guy still wants to talk and he starts telling them you know this
00:39:26
is something that's happened more than once um I've and they start really digging on him now because he he they
00:39:34
suspect them of as many as four that's all they were expecting to hear about was four and at some point only that's a
00:39:41
lot he starts saying well he starts saying it's probably more like 30 people Jesus uh and he states that he buried
00:39:49
most of the remains in the victim of the victims beneath the crw base of his home
00:39:55
uh I want to take you through these confession here a little bit okay all right um the first confession it takes
00:40:00
place he says that this took place in uh 71 or 72 well it's a little strange though that you showed up to the garage
00:40:07
today full clown makeup that's my normal get up nowadays um he he says that this murder took
00:40:15
place in 71 or 72 I believe it was in in the month of January he said that he picked up a boy at a bus station and
00:40:23
they decided to drive around smoke some pot they were going to go back to his place eat some food you know have lots
00:40:30
of drinks and he had he had a couple magic tricks to show him and and just party and he said that they then engaged
00:40:37
in consensual sex he says that he woke up the next morning to find the boy the young man
00:40:45
standing in the doorway of his bedroom holding a knife that the guy had taken from Gay's kitchen mhm he says that the
00:40:53
guy tries to attack gayy and and gayy defending himself gets the knife from the guy and he stabbed him several times
00:41:01
killing the guy this is the guy that he buried in the garage not a guy it was a boy okay the other situation is he
00:41:11
starts talking about um remember we had uh butkovich his his employee old butkovich well remember they had the
00:41:21
dispute about the money mhm um he tells a story that he decided to when when bovic and his buddies come over to try
00:41:29
to collect the money that he said you know what I'll pay you as soon as I can uh we ain't got nothing to do why don't
00:41:36
we you know drink some booze some beers hang out and party he said they partied all night long and he's not sure what
00:41:44
happened but when he woke up the next morning there was a dead boy YOLO with Pogo on his
00:41:50
floor um so he had to get rid of it this is yeah odd stories from John Wayne gazy
00:42:02
yeah so those are his stories about why they might find some dead bodies in his home on the first day that the police
00:42:09
begin their digging they find two bodies one of the bodies is that of John bucov
00:42:15
uh who was buried underneath the garage I believe in this situation G gasy even like put an x on the floor and said you
00:42:22
know dig here right um he was going to kind of lead them to some of the bodies the other body that they found was in
00:42:30
the cross space as the days passed the body count grew higher some of the victims were found in with their
00:42:37
underwear still stuffed lodged deep in their throats other victims were buried so close together that the police
00:42:44
believed that they were probably killed or buried at the same time the police had removed a total of 27 bodies from
00:42:51
gas's home Jesus they also started finding bodies in the Dez PL PL River four in total one of the bodies found in
00:43:00
the river well they could easily link that body to gasy because that man's identification was one of the IDS found
00:43:07
in gas's home right right right one of the victims found in the river was unidentified but he had Tim Lee tattooed
00:43:15
on one of his arms a friend of the victim's father had recognized the Tim Lee tattoo while reading a newspaper
00:43:24
story about the discovery of the in the river MH the victim's name was Timothy aor now uh he was such a fan of Bruce
00:43:33
Lee that he took Lee's last name and he added it to his first name to make the tattoo on his arm so it was just a
00:43:42
really bad idea for a tattoo but glad that they identified him soon after the discovery of all of these
00:43:50
bodies the house was destroyed um it was basically reduced to Rebel um um unfortunately among the 32 bodies that
00:43:58
were discovered that of Robert PS was still unaccounted for PS was still missing finally in April of 1970 the
00:44:06
remains of Robert piest were discovered in the Illinois River his body had been lodged somewhere along the river making
00:44:13
it difficult to find this body and at some point it must have become dislodged and carried the corpse to The Dresden
00:44:21
Dam where it was eventually discovered go with me on this Theory though right so the first first guy he talks about we
00:44:28
already know about the guy that he picked up in Chicago right the one that he he he raped the guy that got away the
00:44:35
guy that got now think about Gay's first story there's some things that make sense here you you picked up a a boy you
00:44:46
sexually assaulted him you raped him mhm he wasn't dead and when that boy comes too that boy grabbed a knife and decided
00:44:56
he's going to kill the bastard that did this to him I see I see what you're saying there's there might be some truth
00:45:02
to what went down and actually one of the bodies that was found uh in his home they believe that now keep in mind a lot
00:45:10
of these people are very decomposed by the time they find them but this person had uh evidence of having been stabbed
00:45:17
to death you know where you have the the markings on the ribs uh from the from the knife yeah so I mean maybe there's
00:45:23
some validity there I would suspect myself that John Wayne gasey probably killed in Iowa um it's it's possible um
00:45:33
the other thing here too is when gasy was confessing he said that you know I killed about 30 people he he estimated
00:45:41
that there might be about 30 people in his home that they would find and he said that I threw the last five bodies
00:45:48
in the river well they only ever recovered four four bodies um you know and then we know how many they found at
00:45:55
his home but there still could be that missing victim out there from when he was in Chicago Police have a lot of
00:46:01
bodies to work with here and they're going to start using dental records and other Clues to help identify the victims
00:46:07
who were found on gas's property all but nine of the victims were finally identified well that's still a lot of
00:46:14
people yeah and even though their searches had ended we have a trial to deal with regarding John Wayne gasy in
00:46:22
February of 1980 gas's murder trial began in Cook County Illinois jury members consisted of five women and
00:46:30
seven men uh there was a change of venue requested and what ended up happening was they did not Grant the change of
00:46:38
venue instead the judge decided that he would select jurors from another city and have them bust in very odd it's just
00:46:46
like Casey Anthony yeah that that was one of the weird coincidences that we came across and he chose the the City of
00:46:53
Rockford which another coinci incidence was 90 M away almost the exact same distance as chosen in the Casey Anthony
00:47:01
case um the defense is going to say that John Wang gasy Is Not Guilty by reason of insanity uh three psychiatric experts
00:47:11
appearing for the defense at gas's trial testified that they found gasy to be a paranoid schizophrenic with multiple
00:47:19
personality disorder I want to talk about this for a little bit because during some of his confessions gasy kept
00:47:25
bringing up another name and this name was Jack Hanley he said that Jack Hanley had committed some of the murders and he
00:47:33
even gave a full personality profile of Mr Jack Hanley right now but it was very
00:47:39
clear to the people that he was talking with that gayy was talking about himself
00:47:44
Jack Hanley is himself Jack Hanley is another version of John Wayne gasy mhm during the opening statements uh they
00:47:52
presented evidence uh by the prosecution that left a stunning impression on the jurors and the courtroom Spectators many
00:48:00
of them saying that they had learned some of the details of gas's killings for the very first time uh gas's defense
00:48:07
lawyers stated that gas's actions were irrational and impulsive and that he was insane and no longer in control of his
00:48:14
conduct the prosecution brought its first witness to the stand this is Marco bukovich uh the father of John bukovich
00:48:23
M he was the first witness of many that included the family and friends of the murdered victims some of the
00:48:29
eyewitnesses broke down into tears on the bench following the friends and family of the victims came the testimony
00:48:37
of those who worked for gasy who survived strange sexual encounters with him uh with their boss some of his
00:48:44
ex-employees told of his mood swings and how he would trick them into being handcuffed others told how he constantly
00:48:51
made passes at them while he was at work and and typical fashion the prosecution
00:48:57
is going to come out and say well we found him to be sane yes his their experts say that John Wayne gasy is a
00:49:04
sane man um very much to the surprise of everyone in the courtroom when the defense started their case the first
00:49:12
witness that they called was Jeff rigal remember this was the person that was abducted by John Wayne gasy Right um it
00:49:19
was expected that he would have been called to testify on behalf of the prosecution however uh rnal had
00:49:26
previously mentioned his encounter with gasey in a book and the prosecution believed that it would damage their case
00:49:32
if they took him on as a witness so they didn't call him gas's defense asked rnal
00:49:38
while on the stand if he thought that gasy was able to control himself and Jeff did not believe so considering the
00:49:45
Savage savagery of gas's attack right right right but you know John Wayne gazy talks about this later in life too that
00:49:54
if you're going to say that somebody like for somebody to do what he did if you're going to try to say that that's
00:50:03
sane mhm then you don't want to be on the same side of the fence of as that person yeah and and I and I think
00:50:10
there's some validity to that I mean if you're capable of murdering this many people and burying them in your crawl
00:50:17
space you're crazy right you know what I mean so but the the problem with our our
00:50:24
our system is that we we make that lenient if the person was insane mhm and it should not be it should be no we we
00:50:33
do think you're crazy but you know you're going away forever well and what the prosecution was trying to do was
00:50:39
they were trying to point out the clear difference to the jury between the difference of being abnormal and and
00:50:45
insane you know they're saying gasy is not your normal dude uh but he's not he's not legally insane we must hold him
00:50:54
accountable for his action um now Jeff RN he did not t his testimony did not last very long because
00:51:01
while on the stand he broke down while telling the court the details of his rape uh rigal was so stressed out that
00:51:09
he began to vomit and cry hysterically and he was eventually removed from the courtroom now in an effort to prove
00:51:16
gas's Insanity friends and family of gasy were called to the stand gas's mother told how her husband abused gayy
00:51:23
on several occasions at one time whipping him with a leather strap yeah well that's the razor the razor belt we
00:51:30
talked about mhm and gasy sisters told a similar story of how she repeatedly witnessed her brother being verbally
00:51:39
abused by their father yeah but that's that's no excuse you know you become 18 years old you're responsible for your
00:51:46
actions well after the court proceedings were over uh it only took 2 hours of deliberation for the jury to come back
00:51:55
with its verdict they found John well that's after one hour of eating and one hour of a coffee break they found John
00:52:03
Wayne gasy guilty gasy was found guilty in the deaths of 33 young men and as one
00:52:10
of the people in the court stated that he had the singular notoriety of having been convicted of more murders than
00:52:16
anyone else in American history and gasy received the death penalty right and it's strange to me uh talk about a mom
00:52:26
being an enabler which we talked about in the Casey Anthony case mhm John Wayne gase's mom still never believed that he
00:52:35
was guilty of the crimes right um and I wonder how much of that is that she believes that her son
00:52:42
was insane okay you know that he was not guilty by reason of insanity well diving
00:52:47
into the sick twisted mind of uh John Wayne gasey we we actually when we had an apartment together we actually
00:52:55
remember those documentaries they started coming out with not documentaries but reenactments I guess
00:53:00
yeah they would do a movie of like a serial killer that yeah dmer and I think we watched dmer together and I think we
00:53:06
watched and I think we watched uh gasy together too did gayy had the the the big guy that played in um peew Herman's
00:53:14
Playhouse yeah he was uh uh buckon I can't remember his first name but uh Francis buckon the guy that paid to have
00:53:22
the bicycle stolen and yeah he was also the he played center for the basketball team on Teen Wolf oh yeah great movie
00:53:30
wonderful movie but great actor though underrated cuz if you watch that I I'd recommend it as far as entertainment if
00:53:39
you if you're into this thing and you kind of want to get a glimpse into maybe what some of the visual of you know with
00:53:45
the Pogo the clown and all that stuff it was an interesting movie and I think he
00:53:49
did a great job you know uh Francis did a great job acting the part um uh it's not very factual I actually rewatched it
00:53:58
while you know preparing for the show okay it's not that factual there's a lot of stuff that they kind of Miss on yeah
00:54:05
um and I think that you know Hollywood it up but it is we I think we watched that when we had an apartment together
00:54:12
but something that I thought was really interesting going back over this and something that I've kind of never
00:54:20
thought about too much or never really made my ears perk up is this idea that you know normally it's
00:54:28
like okay John Wayne gasy saying well okay so H there was this other guy and we start thinking that well maybe that's
00:54:37
split personality but when he starts talking later in life before you know his death
00:54:44
he's going to start talking about other people involved yeah and other accompli and every time that he like talked about
00:54:51
it in the past I never really put much weight into that mhm yeah during the 80s during his time
00:54:58
in prison he starts bringing up you know that there were other people that helped
00:55:01
me with these killings you know there there were two or I think at sometimes he's he's quoted as saying there are two
00:55:08
people that helped him uh other times I believe he said as many as three people that had I think I think the total I
00:55:15
think uh one of the interviews I watched he said four okay and during that interview he actually named names now
00:55:22
again never put much weight to this until you know one of the accusers talks about that well it wasn't just John way
00:55:31
gasy there was another guy there yeah Jeff rignall uh he was the one that was abducted and got away and he would later
00:55:38
state that he believed that there was another man present at gas's home that night that he was attacked right which
00:55:45
starts making you think well there's some validity and if you listen to the trailer we we talked about how police
00:55:51
Works saying well we're denying that we're looking for accomplices but there seems to be like there was
00:55:57
some evidence to the point that there might have been during some of the attacks and I would just argue to say
00:56:04
this is a guy that was throwing these huge parties watching these stag films and also these big parties where they're
00:56:12
doing you know orgies mhm and I'm there obviously there's a big stretch from going to that to having somebody be a
00:56:20
complice of murder but I'm just saying what kind of what kind of people what kind of sick people was he running
00:56:30
with and I think we should play this news clip because I think it will explain the situation in better detail
00:56:35
than what we [Music] can Larry he was known as the Killer Clown John Wayne gayi murdered 33 young
00:56:50
men and was executed in 1993 but we're learning the gayy story may not be over new details of the
00:56:56
investigation have only recently come to light and may show gasy didn't act alone
00:57:01
33 years after his arrest there are still lingering questions about John Wayne gayy Terry Sullivan was on the
00:57:07
prosecution team I felt that from the beginning that uh that there may be loose end it was such a huge case
00:57:14
especially at the time the idea of a gasy accomplice was raised from the beginning by Jeffrey rignall he is one
00:57:20
of a few people who survived Gay's attack he said another man was at G G's home the night gasy raped him attorneys
00:57:28
Robert Stevenson and Steve Becker have been trying to help families of victims find answers they've been getting tips
00:57:33
from the public and they've uncovered information that they say shows someone else may have been involved in some of
00:57:38
the killings there is significant evidence out there that suggests that not only did John Wayne gasy not operate
00:57:43
alone may not have been involved in some of the the murders um and the fact that
00:57:48
he was largely a copycat killer for this story we're focusing on two of Gay's victims Russell Nelson and Robert
00:57:56
Gilroy September 15th 1977 Gilroy sends a letter to his girlfriend from a mailbox not far from
00:58:03
gas's home then at 6:00 p.m. that same day Gilroy is supposed to meet other kids at a bus stop for a trip to
00:58:11
equestrian school but he never shows up he was never seen again but according to
00:58:17
gas's receipts in court records gase's plane ticket shows he flew to Pennsylvania September 12th and didn't
00:58:25
return until the night of the 16th the day after Gilroy was last seen alive could someone have been helping gayy
00:58:32
listen to this recording of a phone conversation between gasy in prison and a friend in Chicago well I wasn't even
00:58:38
in Illinois when 16 of these so-call individuals disappeared a month later October
00:58:43
1977 Russell Nelson disappears according to testimony from his mother Russell went to a disco on North Broadway with a
00:58:51
friend who was several years older the friend called the family to say Nelson just disappeared outside the Disco and
00:58:58
that he would look for him if they'd send money he called me two or three times a week and threaten me for money
00:59:04
he said he was staying down here to look for my son Russell Nelson's Brothers went to
00:59:10
Chicago to look for Russell and met with the friend who was asking their mother to send money to help search for Russell
00:59:15
the friend offered Russell's Brothers a job with John Wayne gasy Russell Nelson's sister-in-law recently told us
00:59:22
the family is anxious for answers I would like to have a anybody El is involved in they brought to justice for
00:59:28
what they have done to him or could have been somebody else out there and another
00:59:32
possible connection to gayy it turns out a few months before Russell Nelson disappeared gasy did work at a drugstore
00:59:39
just blocks from where the friend lived I think it tells us that John Wayne gasy
00:59:43
was using other individuals to procure young boys over state lines according to Becker and Stevenson the friend is still
00:59:49
alive and now living in another state if in fact gayy um had other accomplices or
00:59:56
people who knew something that was going on those people should be be brought to
01:00:00
Justice it's scary in and of itself that there may be others out there there's something else mysterious about the
01:00:05
cases of Robert Gilroy and Russell Nelson while gayy was known to use a rope and board to strangle his victims
01:00:11
the autopsy reports for Gilroy and Nelson show they died from asphixiation from Suffocation not
01:00:19
strangulation the report says that each had cloth in their mouths they claimed an I st each and every one of them look
01:00:26
at your strangulation put a rope around their NE and strangle them after they were
01:00:32
handcuffed if that's so then how come the autopsy reports don't match that which tells you there had to be more
01:00:37
than one person in fact 13 victims were listed as Suffocation another serial killer case may offer insight to gas's
01:00:45
mode of operation in Terry Sullivan's book Killer Clown a detective asked gasy where he got the idea for the torture
01:00:52
board gasy replies from from Elmer Wayne Henley Henley and another boy helped serial killer Dean Coral whose case has
01:01:00
a lot of similarities with gasy coral abducted raped tortured and murdered 28 boys mostly teenagers in the early 1970s
01:01:09
in Houston he often used handcuffs and strangled his victims they do follow Coral's mode of operation almost
01:01:16
identically and one of the most significant Parts about coral is that he used two much younger individuals to
01:01:21
assist him in gathering up and and luring in his victims nothing as far as killing or recruiting or or bringing we
01:01:28
we had no evidence that we thought about it but we just never saw any evidence Gay's defense lawyer Sam amaranti says
01:01:34
he doesn't believe any of it he says gasy confessed to everything early on and after years in prison began to
01:01:40
change his story I uh used to talk to gasy about uh maybe somebody else uh committed the offense maybe gasy was in
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some sort of stuper or drug state or alcohol State and didn't know what was going on around him and uh we sort of uh
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would plant a seed in John's brain as to what happened he would look at say you know maybe you know maybe you're right
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maybe that's really what happened Becker and Stevenson will be taking their case
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to law enforcement these individuals did end up in gas's crawl space so we're just looking to find out the the whole
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truth about these cases and we follow these leads to this point if these individuals were waking uh working with
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John Wayne gasy to procure young boys they should be uh held to Justice the scope of the gasy case is as complex as
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it is disturbing and after three decades there are still questions that haunt investigators as well as the families of
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victims still looking for [Music] answers all right thank you Larry so what do you think about everything that
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uh they were reporting on there regarding these the you know the two victims that they talked about you know
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gasy might have been gone during one of the you know off in Pennsylvania yeah I don't know know how
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much you know I got a plane ticket so that proves us was here nah you don't have anybody that saw you not only that
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he could have the boy could have ended up at his house the next day once he got home yeah the the reason why I feel that
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there is some validity to this is one they investigated it the prosecution thought there there was maybe some ties
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and the fact that there was you know a victim that talked about it and and so that makes it to me a lot more more like
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a situation with like the Johnny gosh type thing mhm where it's like well here's this guy that was predominant and
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and trying to raise his social status and he was around people that had social status and was there some kind of weird
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sex ring going on I don't know I I think there is some evidence to to to show that well and I'll tell you what I'm
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going to kind of present the thing from both sides of the fence here on on the potential case that there was an
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accomplice or accompli is um the thing is we have a couple of guys that work for John Wayne gasey that knew he was a
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weirdo they said you know he tricked me into handcuffs and he came on to me and he did all this weird stuff he would
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have these weird parties but I also even though I knew the guy was a weirdo I I you know I did work at his house uh
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digging trenches and lifting floorboards and these different projects and I did it without asking any questions um that
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does seem a little weird to me could they have been rounding up people off of the streets for gayy and he's he's
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paying them you know 200 bucks a person or or or something of that nature possibility um right so then by saying
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well I dug ditches and stuff you're implementing yourself less yeah yeah and I and I don't want to and I'm going to
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talk about it from the flip side here mhm I don't want to discredit any victim you know this this Jeff guy he was he
01:05:01
was abducted he was taken to gas's home he thankfully gets away uh he's the one that says he saw another man there uh
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but let's keep in mind Jeff was blacking out he was going in and out of Consciousness this entire period is
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there a chance that he is misremembering that he doesn't he doesn't fully understand everything that he thought
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that he saw during the situation yeah it's possible we also talked about there were several people that said that you
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know once gasy got you in the handcuffs that he almost he he turned into a different person almost like he was
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possessed to the point where he even slightly looked different where where they didn't even recognize him um Jack
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Hanley yeah well but here's the verdict on that though right John Wayne gasy Jack Hanley one and the same both douche
01:05:55
canoes yeah so that's one full canoe right there that is um the thing is the the other thing is with gasy we see at
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the very beginning his defense attorneys now I got to point this out because this
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is a strange situation his defense attorney uh was a private well not a private he was a public defender for
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several years Colonel and he decided to go into private practice well unfortunate for him his first client was
01:06:25
John Wayne gasy can you imagine can you imagine that situation but the situation
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is this you know when his attorney tells gasy says you know what you've got to be
01:06:33
insane to do this and we're we're going to recommend that we we state that you're not guilty by the reason of
01:06:40
insanity I believe gasy ran with that he's like oh yeah that's a good idea I didn't think of that oh remember my good
01:06:47
friend Jack Hanley who who did a lot of these murders so it seems to me like we have a situation here where somebody
01:06:53
might have presented some information to gasy and he's saying well I've been stuck in prison for a while um my
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execution date is Drawing Near how about I get creative like Mr Ted Bundy and you
01:07:04
know Bundy started confessing to things towards the end what if gayy thought well I can concoct some stories and buy
01:07:10
me some time right yeah again the reason why I have some validity or why I feel there's some validity to it is one the
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prosecution thought that it was possible and the victim mhm and this is going to
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bring us up to um his execution yes on uh May 10th 1994 John Wayne gasey was executed at Statesville Correctional
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Center in Crest Hill Illinois by lethal injection M his last meal consisted of a
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dozen deep fried shrimp a bucket of original recipe chicken from KFC a pound of fresh strawberries and french fries
01:07:51
now I'm guessing here Captain what actually happened is he that's probably what he requested he probably got some
01:07:56
fried chicken from the prison kitchen uh his execution was a minor media sensation there were large crowds of
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people gathered for the execution party outside of the penitentiary uh there were several arrests during those
01:08:11
execution parties uh for public intoxication open container violations and disorderly
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conduct vendors sold gasy related t-shirts and other merchandise and the Crow cheered at the moment when gasy was
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pronounced dead according to reports gasy did not express any remorse his last words to
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his lawyer in his cell were something to the effect that killing him would not bring anyone back it is also reported
01:08:41
that his last words were kiss my ass uh which which is not really what he said while he was you know lying there
01:08:50
waiting to die he can imagine you're the prison guard you're going up and going well we
01:08:57
we got to poke you yeah and and I kiss my ass they say those are his last words but you know he didn't actually give a
01:09:04
final statement but those were his last words in the sense that when he was being led to the execution chamber he
01:09:10
looked at one of the correctional officers and said kiss my ass kiss my ass well worse than that
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several of of gas's victims that were found buried in his home still to this day have not been identified right and
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that's that's a tragedy yeah and we have a situation where I believe that uh within the last 10 years or so they did
01:09:36
identify one of those unidentified victims um there was a situation in 2013 where there was a man that was always
01:09:44
believed to have been murdered by John Wayne gasy but he was found living in Montana um so that made him the fifth
01:09:52
potential victim found alive in the past 2 years between 2011 and 2013 the investigators tracked him down
01:10:01
this was after um basically what happened with him was he the last time his family spoke to him he had stated
01:10:08
that he was going to be hitchhiking from New York City out to California and they
01:10:14
thought because they had never heard from their son for all these years that he may have been passing through Chicago
01:10:21
and got picked up by gasey somehow um unfortunately for the family they were they believed him to be a victim for
01:10:28
quite some time uh but found that he was living in Montana all these years later
01:10:32
and he did reunite with his father unfortunately his mother passed away believing he was a victim right but he
01:10:39
didn't he just didn't like his family anymore he just yeah he he decided to leave town and he never you know
01:10:46
reconnected with his family he he actually didn't even know that he was considered to be a victim of John Wayne
01:10:51
gasy well I want to personally thank you Colonel for uh sharing the stories that
01:10:58
will give me nightmares about Pogo and John Wayne gasy do we have any recommended reading for the week we do
01:11:05
this week we're recommending John Wayne gasy defending a monster by Sam amarate and now Sam is the public defender that
01:11:15
turned into his private practice and he became John Wayne gas's attorney and he wrote this many years later
01:11:24
um but I'll give you a little a little clip here um he answered the phone one day Sam did and he heard Sam could you
01:11:32
do me a favor this is how the story began of what now has become part of America's True Crime Hall of Fame it's a
01:11:39
gory grotesque tale it's almost like a Stephen King novel and I tell you what one thing that I find that's hard to
01:11:46
find in the True Crime genre you know so many of these books are written by former detectives or former FBI they're
01:11:52
not true authors they're not true storytellers uh Sam would you would think would fall into that category
01:12:00
having been a lawyer and then going on to become a judge however this story it really it reads like a Truman capot book
01:12:07
you know where it reads more like a novel more like like a story so I highly recommend John Wayne gasey defending a
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monster and you can pick that up by going to our website True Crime garage.com and click on the Amazon
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