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let's talk some true [Music] crime when we left off on part one we were right in the thick of it we were on
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Super Bowl Sunday digging through Super Bowl weekend we were on January 31st this is the day that most people
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believe that David Glenn Lewis went missing the teams playing on that Super Bowl would be the Buffalo Bills and the
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Dallas Cowboys I do want to point out too that they were playing in Pasadena California it is said that David was a
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big Cowboys fan now one thing that we know to be true is that someone most people speculate that it was David that
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did this yeah but somebody recorded the Super Bowl using the Lewis's family VCR to carry out this detail a little bit
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further it is often reported that this VCR did not have the timer function which would which would mean somebody
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had to hit the record button to record the Super Bowl so I think we need to give a little further explanation here
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because we we will have a small percentage of those listening that may not know exactly how VCR works so VCR
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VCR VCR um video cassette recorder there you go and most of the time people used
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it simply just to watch movies you would use it mainly for watching some people would record a lot of stuff now I was
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one of those weirdo kids that I recorded sporting events I know that not a lot of
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people record sporting events but I would record a sporting event and then watch it again I never used the timer
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function simply because I don't know that I knew how to to to work it most people didn't know how to use that damn
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thing so yeah the the VCRs would brag like when you would go to buy one at the store you would pick this one because it
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had the timer function and not that one because it did not because you could put
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a tape a video cassette into the VCR set up the timer function and even if you were at out to dinner or you were at
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work or whatever the idea is that at that time on that specific Channel it would start recording now today we have
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wonderful technology things like we can just stream a show that we like we don't
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have to record it or some people do a DVR type of feature where they just tell it hey I want it to record this
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particular show whenever it's on and it just magically does it for you well back
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then no you either had to physically hit the record button put in a blank t or tape over something and hit physically
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hit the button or for the 1% that knew how to use the timer function I don't know that I've ever met anybody that
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knew how to use the timer function yeah but David wasn't a dumb guy David seems to me like if his VCR had a timer
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function that this dude would know how to use it so the reports are that he did not that this VCR did not and somebody
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put a tape into the VCR and started recording the Super Bowl around 5:15 p.m. I find it very interesting that
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this detail I want to say here that I don't know that we've been able to conf double triple quadruple check this 5:15
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p.m. because if you look up the start of the Super Bowl for his time zone it would have been starting at 5:00 now if
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in fact somebody did hit the record button at 5:15 that suggest Ed to me that somebody
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actually hit record rather than using the timer function because wouldn't you just set the timer for 5:00 when the TV
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guide says the Super Bowl's coming on that way you don't miss a second of it we know there's going to be talk and
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leadup and buildup yeah but how long was the tape yeah that's a good question I didn't think that look this is one of
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those things there's so many missing person cases that have these one or two points of information that I think could
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be incorrect like like take the Brian schaer story oh he's seen going in he's seen on video footage going into the bar
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but he's never seen leaving the bar how did he get out well there was a bunch of
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blank spaces in the building that weren't surveillance by video footage there was an exit
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doors three of them right by the exit of the bar couple that you and I have walked through ourselves yes the the
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exit of the bar was not technically on video footage so to me this is one of those details chances are
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this VCR had a timer function and David set it up that doesn't mean that the story is less
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interesting no I'm just I think we need to because we can't conf firm it we just
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need to put it in the realm of possibilities that David set this up himself because also if you were there
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and you're going to watch the Super Bowl why would you need to record it anyways
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well that's why I brought up my own personal habits from time to time when I was a kid when I thought something was a
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major sporting event for me something that I was really interested in watching I would tape it and because I would know
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that I would want to go back and watch it yeah um so but I with you that was my first thought I'm like most people don't
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record sporting events because they're watching them live and it would make sense that if you were if you did not
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possess the ability to watch it in action live action that you would tape it but I did want to point out there are
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some weirdos Yours Truly included that at occasions in my life would tape a sporting event that I was watching live
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yes but let me reiterate we have no confirmed sightings of David after Thursday this
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is Sunday correct it's it's bizarre correct the closest thing we have to an actual sighting of David Glenn Lewis
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would be on Friday the 29th where a friend from church says that she believes that she saw David rushing
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through the airport that is slightly different than the activities on Thursday where it's David at work work
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it's David teaching his class those things we know David did for sure it's not one person saying I think I saw
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David doing this at this time on this date now wife and daughter get home the stories that I've been able to find none
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of them State what time the wife and daughter get home I couldn't find a single one that gives me an
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hour time frame you know I we got home in the morning we got home in the early afternoon we got we didn't get home till
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10: p.m. at night well we could assume it was after 5:15 that's why I included that in this
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portion uh to make sure that we included that because it sounds like based off of
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what his wife says that she returns and again a couple conflicting stories one report says that she wasn't triggered by
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coming home and not finding her husband there that she assumed he was working late the guy worked a lot we know he had
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two jobs and she made an assumption that she was working late there are several other versions of the same story that
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says she came home and thought well he probably went to a friend's home or a friend's house or went out with a friend
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to watch the game and he was going to be home late and in those versions of the story she states it said that she went
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to bed assumed he would come home sometime after she fell sleep and when she woke up in the morning he's not
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there now she's concerned probably angry but it wasn't until she was made aware that he had missed two work rated
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appointments on that Monday that when she called police and said hey this is on Monday February 1st my husband is is
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missing so now we've notified the police that he is missing yeah the other details about Sunday that are strange as
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well is she says that she found two turkey sandwiches prepared and most of the versions of the story say fresh turkey
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sandwiches so they look like they were recently prepared but they were left inside of the family's refrigerator
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another detail is that his watch David's watch and David's wedding ring were found on a bench located in the kitchen
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there the other reports state that they were simply found somewhere in the home I don't know when these items were found
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but they were found they were located now if I'm a husband or I'm a wife and I come home and it's you're both at the
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same time Sunday evening MH I'm like Whitney Houston I'm Every Woman if I come home Sunday evening and
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my spouse is I find my spouse not there in their wedding ring on you know just like sitting on a countertop or
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something now everybody's different they there are a lot of men out there that don't like to wear Rings there are even
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some women that for some reason will not one reason or another not wear a wedding
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ring or not wear it at certain times right right like like I wear mine but if I'm if I'm working in the yard or if I'm
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doing something that's physical if I'm at the gym that thing's not on me I I just it just drives me n nuts so unless
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he was one of these cats that didn't usually wear it or usually would take it off for any number of reasons that not
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have raised any red flags for her but it might for other people so I question when these two items were found well if
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you're Whitney Houston then let me be Kevin cner and I'll be your bodyguard because to me this isn't a red flag and
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the reason why is he has his watch and his wedding ring it's on a bench in the kitchen and why would you take off your
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wedding ring and your watch if you're doing the dishes and why would you need to do the dishes because your wife is
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coming home that night and you want to make sure that the dishes are done before she gets home so this is why it's
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not a red flag to me or you're making a turkey sandwich and don't want to get turkey on your wedding ring right see I
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mean really really we don't want to get that meat juice on that we can overanalyze this uh but but as this as
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The Story Goes this is this is the detail that's included no but what I'm saying is it's not that odd it's found
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in the kitchen just like it wouldn't be that big of a red flag if you found it in the bathroom meaning he took it off
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to take a shower I'm just saying it's kind of suggestive of why he would take it off in that in that room it's not
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like she found the the watch in the wedding ring on the front doorstep or in the mailbox or or somewhere strange
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right I get that what I'm trying to point out is each is their own everybody's different it it may be a red
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flag for her and not for you or I what I'm saying here is what is missing from the detail that I think is intriguing is
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when were these items discovered if she comes home and finds wedding ring on the
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countertop or the kitchen bench and it doesn't mean anything to her then it's it's nothing at all but there as said
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they according to the story and all of the reports she comes home he's not there she does not call police that
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night she's not alarmed at the time she says maybe he's working late or maybe he's with a friend or friends watching
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the Super Bowl it's not until she knows that he missed two work rated appointments that the alarm is raised so
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for for everybody in every different situation there are different things that will cause a person to notify the
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authorities and other things that will they'll simply shrug off in the moment totally agree and I think the fact that
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because he worked so much and had two jobs there there's a good chance that he woke up and left the house multiple
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times before she even woke up so not not that crazy that she didn't call police when she woke up and he wasn't there but
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you miss a couple of appointments work appointments that's not something he does but then my question is so we know
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that he had a class on Thursday late class but what was his work schedule supposed to be on that Friday because
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you'd think it would be brought to people's attention if he wasn't at work all Friday exactly the strange thing
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here well I keep saying that but it how many times that but think about it let's
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try to go back to 1993 there's so many great things about texting right it's so easy to just
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quickly text somebody and get a quick response and a quick answer to to your question 1993 that's not the world that
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we were living in back then yeah and and my thought here is when we say miss two
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work rated appointments is it as simple as one of those appointment we again we're making an assumption that both of
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those appointments were that Monday and as you pointed out we don't have anybody saying that he went to work
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on Friday now is that now speaking of assumptions is that just simply because he left work that job early on Thursday
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saying he didn't feel well went home at noon and they just just said well he David wasn't feeling well yesterday I
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hope he's okay he went home early maybe we uh maybe we give a call and and see if he's all right or maybe we don't want
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to wake him you know we don't have any information about why he wasn't at work on that Friday I'm with you I think that
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whatever was going on in David's World whether he was in charge of it or not the mystery really begins and doesn't
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start until after 10 p.m. that Thursday night everything Friday is Up For Debate
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everything Saturday and Sunday Up For Debate yeah and speaking of that we have two more things that are up for debate
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and they just don't align with any of the other movements or things that we know to be true right because at this
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point beyond all those days that we just mentioned Up For Debate once we get to Monday February
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1st we know a few things to be absolutely true a he's not there when his wife wakes up never comes home that day B he
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did not go to work on Monday February 1st and C he ends up dead wearing Army fatigues and work boots in the middle of
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State Route 24600 miles away in Moxy Washington makes no sense none so when did he truly go missing
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if that's the case how did he get from point A to point B which is so far away and then there's these details as
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well on February 2nd the next day okay so the the flag has been raised police are looking for or at least have
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received a missing person's report of this adult male David Glenn Lewis who is a professional he's a father he's a
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smart guy he's an athletic guy he's he doesn't live one of these transient type Lifestyles or high-risk lifestyle where
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they're just like oh yeah he's probably out partying with friends or shooting up
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under an arrow under a overpass you know they don't do under an airplane yeah or
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under an airplane so on February 2nd they find his Ford his red Ford Explorer outside of the Potter County Court
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building so this would be the same spot or or same location General location as where it had been suspected of being
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seen prior and then not seen yeah prior as well and so but they we do know that they find his actual vehicle and then to
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make things even more strange it's reported the inside of this vehicle they find his keys the keys to that Fort
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Explorer underneath a floor mat they also find his check book credit card driver's license these are all found in
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the car now I wanted to include the Reddit post because the Reddit post again great for speculation we have to
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take it with a grain of salt that some of these statements are fact which we would do with the newspaper as well
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because we've reviewed cases and reviewed multiple newspapers and things are reported slightly different major
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details no but Minor Details yes according to the Reddit post shout out to Honey Bertram the it was
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customary for David to keep these items in his vehicle I think what I'm trying to point out here if if in fact that's
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true it is customary so it's not so crazy to find these items in his vehicle because he would customarily keep them
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there it's only strange because we don't know where the hell David is and you would think some of these items would be
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on him or on his person this from my understanding this is about a 12 to 14-minute drive from the airport so if
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in fact if in fact both of those earlier statements are true that his vehicle was
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parked at this same location in front of the courthouse and a man believed to be
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David was at the airport roughly at the same time running through the terminal on that on that Friday how did he
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how did he pull that off here's an idea because this is this is a report that we
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get from the local police amarello police say that they spoke to a cab driver who told them that he believed
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that he drove someone who he thought appeared to be possibly be David Lewis and it was a passenger in his cab he
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says that he drove the man matching Lewis's description from a hotel to Dallas Fort Worth International Airport
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on Monday February 1st he says the passenger seemed nervous and fumbled through a wad of $100 bills to pay the
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fair that's why he remembered this particular passenger keep in mind we've already went through some of the
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distances here if in fact this report this is the one that comes from the newspaper is true that he drove this
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attention right get a little love up front close enough for a high five yeah or a low
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five lots of low fives so depends on how you see the world two plane tickets were
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found to have been purchased in David's name reports are one was purchased on the 31st of January so this would be a
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flight from Dallas to Amarillo the second was purchased on February 1st but was a flight from Los
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Angeles to Dallas the report I have here so I I did verify that this is true that
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you could have a la to Dallas flight in a layover in Amarillo and you could have
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a layover in Amarillo on the reverse of that Dallas to Los Angeles so I wanted to verify that that is a can be a
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regular stop because the the information that I found about these particular plane tickets someone went out of their
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way saying that the plane ticket that was purchased on February 1st from Los Angeles to Dallas did contain a layover
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in or a stop in Amarillo which would be crazy smart if you were trying to throw someone off of your Trail and you wanted
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to get back home even just briefly for some reason right by by a ticket from LA to Dallas and hopefully you hopefully
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you send the scent to Dallas and they go chasing you in Dallas while you just don't you just take the layover and go
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home you don't you don't continue on to Dallas right the thing that complicates this so a lot of our listeners are
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probably going well this is something really big here and it could be something very big here it could these
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could be the actions of David Lewis but keep in mind it was 1993 you didn't need a passport
00:31:05
or an ID to purchase plane tickets so we can't sit here and say with a great deal of
00:31:15
certainty that it was in fact David Lewis who purchased these tickets could have been somebody else
00:31:24
that wants us to think that he wanted to travel to these locations I want to let
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the listeners know how much I appreciate them listening to us especially this week because basically what we're
00:31:35
telling you we know nothing is here's a bunch of details and we know [ __ ] about
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[ __ ] because okay congratulations okay he could go from LA to Dallas and you know but how the hell does he get to
00:31:54
Washington and was there a flight from was there a flight from wherever he was at to Washington and we have no record
00:32:03
of it it being purchased in his name was he ever known to go by a different name
00:32:09
was his middle name used for the purchase of these particular plane tickets because another Reddit poster
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had a brilliant thought saying that with the name David Lewis being a common name somewhat common name
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in Texas being so large with so many people and I know that this was substantiated but the thought was could
00:32:32
these tickets have been issued to a different David Lewis that has nothing to do with I mean Dallas is a huge City
00:32:38
Los Angeles is a huge City could these be other David Lewis's and then to further the mystery even more there are
00:32:46
some reports out there that state that these two tickets were that we just discussed Dallas to Amarillo Los Angeles
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to Dallas were never used there are other reports that I think are probably more accurate that says that it is
00:33:01
unknown right if these tickets were used or if David actually used these tickets
00:33:07
so we don't know [ __ ] about [ __ ] but there's so many other people in this case that don't know [ __ ] about [ __ ]
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well I do know something about this case for certain other than the the few certainties we've already went over I
00:33:18
got one more for you okay the Dallas Cowboys won that Super Bowl spoiler alert b we know that to be true all
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right let's go through this newspaper article because there's some more good background information we do know that
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from day one Mrs Lewis said her husband received death threats when he served as
00:33:41
the Moore County court at law judge and Dumas this is from 1986 to 1990 so 3 years prior to his death she points out
00:33:51
that maybe he made an enemy at his current law practice and she pointed to two particular cases saying that her
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husband may have made some enemies one was a lawsuit brought by a murder con a convicted murderer Bobby templin who was
00:34:10
suing his former father-in-law Norbit Schlegel of Shamrock Texas now one thing I found interesting about this so we
00:34:19
talk about this time to time here in the garage this is a convicted murder so the
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state of Texas believes that Bobby templin has killed someone so he does separate
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himself from some other unknowns in this just knowing the fact that he is capable
00:34:37
of carrying out a murder however that lawsuit was dropped the other part of it is norbett who was the one being sued
00:34:48
Norbert told the police and told the newspaper that he doesn't think that templin was good for this because
00:34:55
templin was still locked up at the time and he's saying look that guy doesn't possess the money the power the control
00:35:05
the resources to influence or arrange a murder from prison we can't guarantee that but that's seems to reason to me
00:35:15
when we have a central figure in that situation saying that this is a non-starter here
00:35:22
right the other case that Lewis's wife pointed to was a 3 million lawsuit brought against Lewis several other
00:35:31
lawyers and a engine additive promoter that Lewis represented Lewis was the only key party awaiting deposition
00:35:41
meaning he was going to go be deposed under oath to give statements and answer questions comfortable or
00:35:50
otherwise and he was the last person in line to do so with this $3 million lawsuit he never Mak makes it to this
00:35:58
deposition because he ends up in Moxy Washington which is a possibility I guess well I I think yes I think there's
00:36:08
a lot of possibilities here but when we speak of possibilities everything I could find Captain and this all goes to
00:36:15
back when he was still missing right they they nobody's sorted out yet that he ended up in the state of
00:36:23
Washington but the police all seem to think or at least the ones spoke to the newspapers about the case sounds to me
00:36:30
like they all lean toward suicide again he's still missing at this time his wife is always
00:36:39
saying that she believed that Foul Play was involved that that somebody did something to her husband what was
00:36:46
interesting to me is some people point to Mrs Lewis's refusal to take a polygraph test as maybe that she had
00:36:54
some kind of involvement in whatever happened to her husband I want to say this that is certainly a
00:37:00
possibility we talked about possibilities there's a lot of possibilities here did she have a hand
00:37:05
in this could be I don't think so my gut tells me no what I would like to know is
00:37:12
when was she requested to take this polygraph test was it when he was still missing was it 10 years later when they
00:37:19
knew that he was dead yeah and the other thing that I would like to point out and
00:37:24
I know that this doesn't mean that a person is innocent but I always find this to be intriguing if she had a hand
00:37:32
in this and wanted the investigation to just kind of go away and wanted the police to just kind of leave her alone
00:37:39
if the police are telling her hey we we hate to tell you this but we it's very confusing your husband's movements or
00:37:46
believed to be movements we think maybe he he may have taken his own life yeah one would think that she would follow
00:37:51
that up with he was very depressed yeah hated his life hated his job hated me hated his daughter and good possibility
00:38:01
he uh killed himself she doesn't say that she tells the police no I think that somebody did something to my
00:38:07
husband keep looking and in fact she tells the newspapers the same thing like I'm I'm really concerned he was a he had
00:38:15
death threats yeah and I think that somebody killed my husband so she could have made that easier on herself had she
00:38:23
had something to hide and I kind of wonder if you have this situation where you already have kind of tension right
00:38:31
like she she probably doesn't like what the police are telling her like you think he killed himself I'm telling you
00:38:37
no he wouldn't have done that then why would you sit down and take a polygraph examination with people that you already
00:38:42
have friction with so if in fact she did refuse a polygraph examination I I can see reasons why yeah and guess what his
00:38:53
job was he was a lawyer so guess who she knows other law lawyers yeah maybe she just simply reached out to one of David
00:39:02
Lewis's friends and said hey the cops want me to take a polygraph test and lawyer said yeah don't do that I advise
00:39:09
you against that but again I'm I'm with you you don't when everybody's pointing towards suicide if you were if you were
00:39:18
the one responsible for the foul play you wouldn't be the only one pointing towards Foul Play mhm wouldn't make a
00:39:26
lot of sense not not saying that it's impossible but this is just this case bothers me cuz I can't even tell you
00:39:33
when he went missing right I think at sometime Friday I I want to believe the person from the church that saw him at
00:39:44
the airport but then my question is where did he fly to right because we really have no leads on that and as we
00:39:53
stated we have all these missing pieces of the puzzle the thing we do have you like you were saying this deposit this
00:39:59
weird deposit that nobody knows who made the deposit but what about the withdrawals we we have some gas
00:40:07
purchases but those all kind of make sense but these airplane tickets we don't again we don't know if those are for
00:40:19
David Glenn Lewis or not exactly and it's it's baffling to me that the and the thing here's the thing that
00:40:29
really hinders a lot of this true investigation right because the the police obviously in
00:40:37
Amarillo don't know that that the guy they're looking for is is600 miles away right and the Collision death the
00:40:50
vehicular homicide case the hit and run case up in Moxy well they're looking into it but the the
00:40:59
biggest hurdle speed bump that they got at the right out the gate is they can't identify the victim and by the time that
00:41:06
he is identified look how much time has passed this story we chose to started off with the detective that finally
00:41:17
identified the victim the guy yeah David lwis who was the guy in state route 24 in Washington state and why and how
00:41:28
what led him to thinking outside of the box to putting a name to this John Doe a
00:41:36
real name yeah was him reading articles about the failures of big city law enforcement
00:41:45
agencies in connecting the dots between missings and unidentified persons and the problems with missing persons and
00:41:53
missing adults being low priority cases in a lot of jurisdictions what kind of Investigation
00:42:02
took place when this adult male 39 years old was missing in Amarillo regardless of any of those details even if we had
00:42:12
more information on on that front let's go back to the airports so much talk of airports here in this case yeah how
00:42:21
here's what I'm confused about too not just how did he get from Amarillo to Moxy how did he get from anywhere to
00:42:29
Moxy it's it it's not anywhere near any major airport so even if he flew to a a location much closer he still had to get
00:42:39
from that airport if you could prove right if you could prove when he left then at some point you have to say
00:42:49
well if he left if he went missing or if he departed Amarillo at time x let's just put a you know X time we already
00:42:59
talked about the driving time we talked about the flying time that it would take
00:43:03
to get from where he live to where he was found you can immediately start to go well he didn't teleport there so not
00:43:13
that we know of we can't prove it he had to go missing way before they think he did right he's he's not put he's not
00:43:21
hitting record on that VCR at 5:15 p.m. on Sunday and then just a couple of hours later being struck by a
00:43:30
car I I don't care even if he flew he's not I mean unless he hopped on a tiny little plane and flew out somebody's
00:43:38
backyard and and landed you know landed this prop plane in a field somewhere near Moxy I mean you're talking about
00:43:47
flight time alone he physically couldn't have pushed play he couldn't push record
00:43:53
on that VCR heck the driving time from the nearest major airport to where he's found he couldn't have pressed play on
00:44:00
that VCR whether he walked away disappeared somebody snatched him took him away it happened well before 5:15
00:44:09
Sunday evening yeah if I'm a law enforcement I'm looking at this and go on we have no
00:44:14
confirmation of any sightings of him if I lean towards one maybe the airport but
00:44:21
that still puts his last known whereabouts Friday so that gives him enough time to get where he was hit but
00:44:30
how did he get there and is it possible again because it's the early 90s is it possible that he rented a car with cash
00:44:40
or not maybe not even rent a car but maybe a taxi we have this eyewitness report of this Taxi Driver claiming that
00:44:49
he he gave a ride to somebody that look like David and so then is he running away from somebody or did somebody or
00:44:57
something or did or was he trying to run away and somebody got him and they're the ones that took him to
00:45:06
Washington because what are the odds that this guy ends up 1600 miles away from home gets hit by a
00:45:17
car and then we're just going to assume he's hit by a just a innocent person most people that are good people most
00:45:27
people that are just innocent people if they hit somebody while driving they would stop
00:45:35
so to me this this person that hit him it's more likely that he was either trying to run from somebody maybe maybe
00:45:43
he was this was his chance get away maybe he was trapped in a van #b thean and in that process of trying to escape
00:45:52
he is hit by the vehicle chased down by the vehicle my when I first reviewed this case that was my thought as well
00:46:01
the the and I'm I'm if you allow me I'll I'm going to talk out of both sides of my face here for a second but on one
00:46:09
hand you say yes you're right most people would stop most we should say this most innocent people would stop now
00:46:18
the person that hit in the vehicle that struck David Lewis the person may be innocent of not wanting to run run
00:46:27
somebody over or to hit them with their vehicle but maybe guilty of something else they could be drinking and driving
00:46:34
could have something in the car they don't want to get caught with right it's not my fault that that man was in the
00:46:40
middle of the road yeah I God I wish I wouldn't have hit him but um maybe it is my fault because I had eight beers while
00:46:48
I was watching the Super Bowl with my buddy and chose to drive home you know so there are extenda C circumstances to
00:46:56
that but yes my first initial thought when I reviewed this I'm like he was probably only where he was because he he
00:47:04
had the opportunity to break free and flee from his captors right the the problem with him just kind of here's the
00:47:15
other thing I've said to a couple smart people that I've reviewed this case with
00:47:18
and I said look am I way out of bounds here to think that maybe this guy just completely lost his mind and both of
00:47:24
both individuals told me no that should be in consideration because the movements if he did in fact make all of
00:47:31
these movements and put these things into place they make no sense to anybody other than to David not even to his wife
00:47:36
not to police not to detectives in Washington not to detectives in Amarillo but the problem with that is
00:47:45
still how the hell did he end up on State Route 24 and Moxy Washington if he lost his mind and like
00:47:56
there there would have had to be a vehicle or something nearby I mean unless we don't have anybody coming
00:48:01
forward that says look you found that guy dead oh yeah I gave a ride to I there was this dude
00:48:09
hitchhiking and he was uh wearing Army fatigues I picked them up and and we were we made our way down state route 24
00:48:18
we made our way for two hours drive time and he said hey just drop me off here and I did again that's the problem with
00:48:25
this investigation is simply the passage of time there were not hardly any news reports out there that would would
00:48:33
stretch Beyond this local area saying hey we found this guy in the road and we don't know who he is and here's the
00:48:41
description of him David Lewis isn't identified for 10 or so years if somebody did give him a ride just just
00:48:49
just being friendly right just helping a person out yeah sure I'll give you a ride from the Seattle Airport to
00:48:57
ex location that person may have passed away moved away forgotten all about it after the passage of time again the
00:49:05
story didn't spread wide until he was identified does it bother you as much as it bothers me that he's found and
00:49:14
clothes that his wife is saying those aren't his clothes yeah it does it's not something he'd wear I was a little
00:49:21
thrown off because I had found some early reports that seemed to be very accurate that state that the only thing
00:49:29
that she reported missing along with her husband was a I think she said a a pair
00:49:35
of green sweatpants or maybe a green sweatshirt and so then part of me had wondered well with this unidentified
00:49:42
that they found in Washington was it just misinterpreted was it the the guy wearing a green sweatsuit and they right
00:49:51
they they described it in the report as camouflage fatigues well a lot of cases we've reviewed especially ones that drag
00:49:58
on and again the newspaper back then was pointing out that these are low priority
00:50:02
cases for large jurisdictions and maybe it felt that way too for small jurisdictions but if they are low
00:50:09
priority that means that you're not holding on to a big box of evidence for an unidentified person for decade after
00:50:18
decade after decade so I had wondered maybe did they just because a lot of the reports I had reviewed said that Pat did
00:50:26
the detective reviewed the inventory list from that case and so I thought well maybe they just wrote down they
00:50:34
they described them as fatigues and they were just a green sweatsuit or they had
00:50:39
nothing for the wife to look at and say what did this belong to your husband but
00:50:44
I I was able to dig up some reports that seem to be very credible and accurate that sounds like they did keep the
00:50:52
clothing that was found on the John do the clothing that was found on the John do well I used to have a green sweater
00:50:58
that was actually an army grade sweater which I don't think most people would have known it I bought it at the
00:51:06
Army Surplus Store so is it something like that that can confuse the whole situation I'm going to throw something
00:51:15
out there to you and I just want to see if you think I'm um if I've lost my my marbles
00:51:25
two things every case that we cover there's points of the case that will remind us about other cases just
00:51:33
like that little piece of evidence of the VCR was he at home that doesn't make any sense to me because it doesn't make
00:51:41
sense and because he didn't teleport he wasn't at home was somebody else at home
00:51:45
then to cover this up maybe or maybe VCR had a timer on it who knows so it reminds you of the Schaefer case a
00:51:54
little bit but then it also kind of reminds me of the outer end case where the victim is found shot off the freeway
00:52:04
now now that victim is found the victim is found but there's a car nearby but he
00:52:10
is found basically dressed like a ninja so it reminds me of that and then you go
00:52:16
well why is he in the middle of nowhere dressed as a ninja maybe he is not such an innocent victim so then you go well
00:52:24
what was David Glen than LS doing was he out there for a nefarious reason and maybe I've maybe I I shut you out but
00:52:35
how far away was he from the nearest city is this a place that he as long as he got to that City he could have walked
00:52:44
to this area was it a mile away or two miles away well Define City though because oh just even a small City well I
00:52:53
mean he was found in Moxy which is a it's it's a so some states you have to have a
00:52:59
population I believe of like 10,000 people before you're you're thought to be a city rather than a town I can't say
00:53:08
what the what it is for Washington I have no idea but it's referred to as the town of Moxy Yakama would be the nearest
00:53:18
city let's call it I would say you're probably less than a 15 20 minute drive you haven't lost your marbles this case
00:53:25
will make any lose their marbles but well so have lost my marbles the best thing I had come up
00:53:34
with was was it simply something very strange where he was trying to to fake his own
00:53:44
death and ended up accidentally getting killed in the process that is a very real possibility the problem is how did
00:53:51
he get to where he was found with there being no abandoned vehicle that we know of and and how well did they search for
00:53:58
that I mean it it seems to me that that somebody got him to got him to the general location where he was found
00:54:07
whether it be innocently just helping somebody out whether they had abducted him and was they were transporting him
00:54:14
somewhere or I mean look if if he was just simply going to commit suicide he could have done it
00:54:23
in Dallas he could have done he could have if if he wanted to disappear he could have disappeared in Dallas yeah
00:54:30
but it's the there some weird connection to this area that we just don't know about if in fact David took those
00:54:38
pictures of his vehicle if in fact he chose to leave his driver's license it what I'm saying is if all of
00:54:46
those actions were David's actions it leads me to one of two things either he was trying to fake his own death so
00:54:56
could go off and live another life and maybe his wife and child receive some benefits for his death and he being an
00:55:05
attorney would know that him simply disappearing may not guarantee wife and child any
00:55:12
benefits but if he if it was suspected that he were killed then maybe my wife and daughter
00:55:22
receive the benefits that I've worked so hard to provide to them and even though
00:55:26
I'm walking away I want them to be taken care of I could see that being something
00:55:30
in him orchestrating this or if he could if he did all of those actions willingly
00:55:36
himself he was running from something that he was very afraid of yeah and he couldn't tell them about it and he was
00:55:43
trying not to involve his wife and daughter and one Reddit poster that I reviewed had a very interesting thought
00:55:50
they were from the general area the the yika yaka area I'm probably I've probably said it wrong 10 times during
00:55:56
the show so I apologize to the people that live there one person had posted that they lived there in the early 90s
00:56:04
and during that time that area was under heavy development they're building up the area new houses coming in new
00:56:10
buildings coming in and somebody had responded to that post with speculation was somebody trying to take
00:56:19
him to that area to conceal the body forever yeah but you have 1,600 mil got a l you got a lot of miles
00:56:28
you got a lot of miles to get there but if you're if you're in the ban the van and you got a gun to this guy's head
00:56:34
with with a guy sitting in the back controlling him keeping him holding him down you could do that he breaks free he
00:56:42
starts to flee you turn around you chase him and run him down with the with your
00:56:46
vehicle and then you're forced to just you're forced to just flee and hope that nobody sees you in the process but look
00:56:53
I know it's a stretch but everything's a stretch with this case so I I think their speculation is good as any that
00:57:00
I've come up with and we we've had plenty of cases where it the locals speculate that person who has never been
00:57:10
seen again is buried under this parking garage that they were conveniently building at the time or buried under uh
00:57:19
a house yeah a house or a building but or or like a parking like the parking garage that I'm talking about in the
00:57:25
case that I'm referencing was the uh Springfield 3 yeah the killer the abductor knew that they were building
00:57:34
this but it wasn't necessarily somebody that was involved in the building of it but you're not going to find somebody if
00:57:40
they're buried under a parking garage we know of cases that were later solved where a wife would go missing and had
00:57:48
been missing for 17 18 years and she was simply buried underneath the shed and a conrete pad in the backyard
00:57:58
under under a swimming pool in some cases I think you want to hear my out there yes please possibility
00:58:10
please so again we have no confirmation citing of him starting Friday so we have Friday Saturday Sunday
00:58:21
he can go anywhere but the question then becomes what are these plane tickets are
00:58:26
they actually connected to this David Lewis maybe it's because we've been talking a lot about the Long Island
00:58:35
serial killer case but what happens sometimes when the family goes out of town now I want to I want to fra I want
00:58:45
to say this but start off with there is no evidence whatsoever that David Glenn Lewis did
00:58:55
ever did any criminal activity right correct but with these weird movements and somebody spotting him at the airport
00:59:05
and being so far away in a place that doesn't even make sense of how he even got there it
00:59:12
started reminding me a little bit of Israel Keys mhm so I I actually did reach out to Josh Hallmark and say hey
00:59:22
we we're looking into this weird case David GL Lewis he's hit by a car 1,600 mil away from his house and my question
00:59:33
to him was just these movements if they are David Lewis's movements maybe he's out there for nefarious reasons but You'
00:59:42
think that if he had somebody in his control that he kidnapped somebody and they're the ones that escaped and hit
00:59:51
him with the car that they would come forward right that would make sense but I don't think Josh understood the
00:59:59
question and it was probably my my bad uh email skills your fault but you know his his first reply was I don't think
01:00:09
Keys would be involved uh you know Keys would have been 15 at the time and I was
01:00:14
like no no no not that Keys murdered him is is the actions is the movements is that something similar that you see in
01:00:24
in Keys because this case is so effed up right all possibilities are possible I pick up what you're putting down so the
01:00:33
thought here would be his wife's away and the cat will play the wife is away the cat will play he wants to get
01:00:42
to this general area let's not say that he's trying to get to Washington or specifically where he was found but he's
01:00:49
he's on his way to somewhere maybe it is where he was found to do something nefarious and his way of covering it up
01:00:56
is well all I have to do is get to and from the Los Angeles airport take my plane ticket that would get me to Dallas
01:01:04
with a layover in Amarillo and I just go home and there's oh by the way there's a whole bunch of
01:01:12
David lewises out there from Texas probably several in the Dallas area they're going to have a hard time
01:01:19
proving it was me up 1600 miles away doing something right and and be we don't know upper
01:01:28
Northwest serial killer capital of the world so I mean I know that's a stretch but the more I read about it and when
01:01:37
you read on Reddit that cuz some people you have to there's so many questions you have to answer when was he actually
01:01:45
last seen so how many days did it take for him to go missing mhm what actions are actually
01:01:53
actions of David just like the VCR like I agree with you it makes no sense whatsoever and then it's weird to me
01:02:03
that if this was some big cover up or conspiracy the last thing you would think is well we better have somebody at
01:02:12
the house HD and record on the VCR mhm so it's uh it's very very bizarre [Music]
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01:02:43
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01:02:49
you think happened to David Glenn Lewis in our defense Captain I will say this I
01:02:56
think that everybody out there that's hearing this case for the first time the longer you sit and stew with this I
01:03:03
think you will come up with some possibilities we're not saying we believe what we think happened but we're
01:03:10
wondering if the details are so out there and so bizarre that it's a possibility that the solution is pretty
01:03:19
out there and pretty bizarre at the same time and so I think that anybody the longer you sit and stew with this the
01:03:27
more far out there your speculation and possible conclusion Theory will become as well but when the captain says share
01:03:38
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01:03:43
friends out there help us out because we need some good thoughts and theories on
01:03:51
this case and this is one that you can you can really sit and chew on for a long time and and regardless of whatever
01:04:00
happened what the truth is here let's keep in mind he was a husband he was a father and he's referred to as a a a
01:04:08
likable standup guy professional nice guy I hope and I know that his family are probably hurting for answers wanting
01:04:17
to know the mystery more than anybody out there so I hope as far away as it may be that that his wife Karen and his
01:04:26
daughter eventually get the truth and learn what happened to David Glenn Lewis yeah and I'm not going to apologize for
01:04:35
the speculation I'm just going to say you're welcome M for having me introduce such a interesting case to you uh
01:04:44
Colonel do you have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners yes we have a very interesting read for
01:04:51
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01:05:07
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01:05:29
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01:05:46
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