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of the business everybody gather around grab a chair grab your eggnog and grab a
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beer and hand it to me let's talk some true crime [Music] thank you [Music] it's heartbreaking that we're still here
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four years later every year is the day's approaching I kind of dread it in agonizing anniversary for family and
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friends of Elisa Sherman I stand here in a feel sick knowing that she was murdered
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over here it's horrible it's it's terrible but for her you know I you we get up and we come for her to East
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12th and Hamilton Avenue in downtown Cleveland where they've gathered each March 24th since that tragic Day in 2013
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when the loving mother and Cleveland Clinic nurse was brutally stabbed 11 times in broad daylight as she headed to
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meet her divorce attorney the unidentified Killer caught on this grainy surveillance video that best
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friend Jan Nash has repeatedly studied it's so distressing to look at it I keep looking at it thinking who Could That Be
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a fifty thousand dollar rewards being offered in the case Cleveland deputy chief Ed Tomba says this type of attack
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says a lot a knife very personal you know nothing was taken so we know it wasn't a robbery she was down here for a
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reason she was down here to see somebody so um you know it's very uh very personal police and prosecutors have
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never stopped searching for the suspect then last year in a bizarre twist elise's divorce attorney Gregory Moore
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was indicted and pled not guilty to several charges including tampering with evidence and obstructing official
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business it's being reviewed looked at and I cannot really give any other further comment with regards to the
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status but rest assured that case has not gone unnoticed in this office giving Elisa's loved ones especially her
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children Jen and Jason Sherman Reason for Hope This is the first year we've had actually nice weather it's beautiful
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so maybe it's a sign that this will be the year that we get Justice foreign [Music]
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people came to the Memorial Chapel in Cleveland Heights for Eliza Sherman's funeral services which took place on
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March 28 2013 just four days after she was killed in downtown Cleveland Ohio the large Chapel was full that day it
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was so full that they had filled the Overflow rooms as well elise's children this is Josh Jennifer Jason and Jeremy
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they sat nearby her Pine casket in an offset family visitation room the children's significant others were there
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they were present that day as well as well as elise's Three Brothers Sanford Elisa's husband of 31 years stayed to
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himself while he was present at the service and in the room with the rest of his family he stood quietly in the back
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of the room separated from them all many of the family members assisted with the
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eulogy Jason spoke of his mother Eliza and how much she loved him and how much love she gave to Jason his siblings and
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her parents saying all she wanted was for them to be happy and she did everything in her power every day to be
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sure of that uh another family member asked the question why do bad things happen to
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good people and adding that there is no good answer to that but one thing's for sure Eliza was good people but
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unfortunately that wasn't enough to prevent her tragic and cruel death at what would be the
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hands of a coward Jennifer elise's daughter spoke and her words may have been the most powerful
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she called her mother the special gift of her life she said she could always count on her
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mother and how glad she was to be Elisa's daughter and best friend before the end of the eulogies
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as the family prepared to finish the service Josh elise's first born stood up it is my understanding that he was not
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listed as a speaker that day Josh stepped to the podium and said quote I feel like I'm in a nightmare right now
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I feel like I'm going to wake up and it's going to be a bad dream she was the best mother in the world
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I wish I would have been closer with her this is not right and the way that she died is not right I'm sick of hearing
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about these stories on the news no one knows who did it I'm going to say it right now my father had nothing to
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[ __ ] do with this I'm saying it right now she was the best mother in the world
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and if I find out who did this I will take care of them myself all right so a couple things to unravel
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there right so he's he's making statements that this is not right but his father had nothing
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to do with it so again we have the father at the service but he's kind of keeping this distance which
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you know if he had nothing to do with it then you know you got to feel bad for the guy because you know this is uh his
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wife you know his best friend for a long time they they had many kids together they built a life together and even
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though it was coming to an end you know he's in a situation where he is at at this funeral but everybody knows that
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their relationship was over their relationship was over and I think you know we have to hone in on this what
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Josh is saying is that not only was the relationship over but it's being reported at this point that he could be
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his father Sanford could be a suspect in the death of his mother right and you know he's obviously very
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frustrated of course when we lose people that we love there are there are just an
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array of feelings and emotions that we have to go through and one of them certainly is always anger whether the
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person was murdered or or accidentally killed or something that you knew was going to happen terminally sick there is
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anger that comes with that in a murder situation of course large amounts of anger huge amounts of
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anger right and then to top that off you have a loved one that that is probably helping you grieve
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through this situation that is being accused of having committed that murder or being
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involved in that murder right so I certainly get his anger the thing that I struggle with here though captain and I
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know that there was some there could be some trouble between Samford and some of
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his children as well and I know that they were going through a separation and I don't know what kind
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of person Sanford is I don't know what kind of individual they are he is you know especially when it comes when you
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talk about men you know some men are not overly affectionate some some men do not
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show their affection for others even their children right uh in public some men are just not built that way I
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do question and I and I personally and I know everybody behaves differently but in my personal opinion I find
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samford's actions to be a little strange on the day of those services I understand that maybe he had some
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issues with elise's family members I if the mother of my children whether I liked her or or didn't like her at all
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right if the mother of my children were taken from their children in this manner
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I could do nothing but open my arms and and hug them and hold them and talk to them and and and speak with them so I
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you know I personally I find his his actions on this day this final goodbye to their mother their their wonderful
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mother I find his actions a little off-putting to me well again he might just be
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more of a Stoke individual and maybe it's you know by being the rock that you're sometimes it's just you know
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maybe you can't hug people or be overly affectionate but if you can be the pillar to show that hey we'll be strong
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and we'll get through this that's not a bad thing all right so let's give a little
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background here on Elisa in the Sherman family because as it's plain to see there are things going on within her
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home within the Sherman family and around them that are going to be Keys possibly keys to this case
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Eliza was the daughter of two survivors of the Holocaust her parents actually met and fell in love in a displaced
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person's Camp they moved to Cleveland Ohio in the early 1950s growing up Eliza was regarded as one of the prettiest
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girls in the neighborhood Eliza attended Huron Road nursing school she also attended events with other
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Jewish students at nearby at a nearby campus that's where she met a medical student named Samford he was a bigger
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dude as we described yesterday described as a heavy set person and six feet tall
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or taller with brown hair and brown eyes his parents were also Holocaust Survivors
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Eliza and Sanford fell in love and they were married about two years later this is in November of 1982. by the early
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1990s Elisa and Samford had begun to fill their four-bedroom home with children Sanford at this point Captain he was
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running a very successful uh practice he was an ophthalmologist and Elisa stopped
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working as a nurse once they started having children to raise the children right they would go on to have a total
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of four uh Josh Jennifer Jason and Jeremy but the marriage certainly had its troubles Eliza's Brothers had nice
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things to say about Samford but added he had two sides to him Samford was at times incredibly generous
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to friends and family right Sanford was known to invest thousands of dollars in stocks and day trading
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but he liked to boast about his wealth he he's also described as a tough and mean individual even with his own family
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at times in 1999 the Sherman family of six they moved into a 4880 square foot five bedroom home
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that's pretty big big home pretty yeah yeah that's very big very big home Jason I think my house is like 400 square feet
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you could put the garage in a corner of that home Jason one of the sons recalled the how
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the in-house fighting he experienced saying that he has memories of when he was three years old sitting on the
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carpet in the family room and covering his ears when his parents were fighting the police were called to their house on
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numerous occasions throughout his childhood he says because of himself or one of his siblings calling the cops
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when the parents were fighting okay but there was no charges as far as like domestic violence or anything I don't
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believe there was ever any charges uh but let's go let's go through some of this uh some of these squabbles here
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okay in 2004 everything seemed to take a turn for the worst Samford was 49 at this time he unexpectedly retired from
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his practice his very successful practice according to well according to court records and depositions Sanford's
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office assistant had quit and moved out after working 18 years on the job rather
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than hire a replacement and train them he decided to Simply close his practice Eliza
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at this time well yeah I mean he he retired unexpectedly he was very successful he
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certainly had the money to retire um so you know who knows who knows how fishy that actually is Eliza then
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returned to work as a nurse at the Cleveland Clinic in Beechwood meanwhile Sanford spent weeks at a time at their
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summer home in Florida or sometimes in New York this again according to court records and depositions
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the families disputes also continued there was a police report fire filed December 12 2004 stating that
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nine-year-old Jeremy Sherman called 9-1-1 because he was frightened when a fight erupted between his parents
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Sanford told police the argument started between him and Eliza over the prizes I guess they were playing holiday games
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like family holiday games right and they had set aside prizes for the winners I don't understand the I have a full
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understanding of the actual argument that erupted to the point where the sun nine-year-old son has to call the police
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yeah um but but certain holidays just the best times right well I guess Josh said that the
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the fight escalated when Jennifer joined in the argument Jennifer's his older sister she jumped
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in and she took a side and it's obvious what side she took because she started swearing at her brothers as well as her
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father at this point Jeremy said that Josh his uh his other brother threw a chair
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so it's like uh WWE that Christmas party that's some game of Scrabble right there I'll tell you yeah
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no I don't I don't know what game they were playing but they it was reported that they were playing games and it
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turned into this this argument here now uh we said that Eliza had returned to work as a nurse
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um less than a year later this is in October of 2005 another fight broke out this time uh it's again between Eliza
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and Samford in a statement filed with the police Sanford reported that Eliza hit him and was beating the television
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in samford's car with one of those handheld massager things um in the same report Eliza told police
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Samford routinely called her names threatened to leave her and withhold family finances from her right so she
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got fed up with it she's blew up uh it sounds to me like there's multiple people in this house blowing up
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on occasion so we clearly have two very intense people right two probably pretty
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hard-headed people as well getting into it on a regular basis these squabbles between them are escalating to the point
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where police are getting called and everyone knows yeah and everyone knows how much the police love showing up time
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and time again to the same home and dealing with the same married couple right one thing I always wonder about
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these situations Captain is like you know calling the police does that like set um
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does that become a trending thing with inside the house like the okay so what I mean by that is the first time that the
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police are called by the children or by the mom or dad right is that like a hard
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threshold to cross and then the next time there's a fight that breaks out it's not so tough to cross that
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threshold and then the next time it's a little easier to the point where almost it becomes a routine thing and you don't
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need as much strife and you don't need as much anger and shouting and potential violence just
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to call them uh I've never called the cops you know with the fight with the significant other yeah I've never had
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the cops called to my house either so I've always wondered that just because you know when you hear a lot of these
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stories it seems like at some point it becomes almost a routine thing right like oh you cross
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the line well it's similar to uh and I don't know if other people's marriages were like
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this or are like this but you know it's uh similar to when at least when you're first married you get an argument with
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your spouse and you have these moments where you take your ring off like that's a thing like you know all now we're
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arguing so much that I'm gonna I'm gonna take my ring off and place it on the counter so you know that the rings on
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the counter I don't even know what that's about but uh but the point is is that yeah I think with a lot of these
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arguments that we just keep escalating and then it becomes the norm so their Norm was we have Bigfoot well I'm sure
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they had more fights than just the ones that were called by them oh yeah yeah I'm sure there were a lot of
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smaller you know scaled arguments and and when we say fighting fighting's a weird thing because to me fighting can
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mean arguing as well where you know I've said the word fight or fighting to people and they're like immediately
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they're looking for a black eye on some black guy yeah oh my God you got in a fight you know but but where I'm from
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people commonly say fighting could refer to just a verbal altercation it's bruised me with his words
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[Laughter] I got a black eye of the heart no yeah so it and again when you have this many kids in your house and your
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kids are getting involved and they're throwing things you know it might paint a darker picture of this couple than it
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actually is well yeah and you know what's weird here is that that last fight in particular the one from October
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2005. the thing that strikes me here is that okay so we have her words elise's words
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are Samford routinely called her names threatened to leave her and withhold the FI the family's finances from her oh it
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sounds like a little bit of a douche and I'm guessing that means withhold them from potentially the children as well
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you'll see this often actually where you know husband goes to work he is the breadwinner for a while she's the
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stay-at-home mom so then he keeps the finances in the dark a little bit like this is my money not your money or
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that's the carrot to dangle in front of in front of them if something goes bad or you don't get your way yeah
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um but what I think I'm seeing here go ahead and I'm not saying that all men do this but I've seen this in multiple
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cases where I have a friend for example that might be a little too jealous and they have a kid
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and they kind of really push the issue to you stay home and you take care of the
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kid and it seems like this nice reward that they're giving there and then they're
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treated like a second-class citizen right and they you're right uh I still remember this one argument between a
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friend the wife wanted to take classes or something and he was like but you don't have any money for classes and I
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always thought oh my God like she stays at home and takes care of your kids you're her money you should be giving
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her money for these classes yeah and you don't need to approve of what class that's almost like okay bring bring it
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to me and ask me for approval or I could decline it right it just should just be
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well and obviously you know if your wife is spending money all willy-nilly then you know she's spending more than you
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make then there's Locker in a box in the basement but Merry Christmas everybody oh man I can't
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wait to read your holiday letter it's a colonel Christmas no but uh so I think you know it seems like maybe that he was
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using these as ways to control her but then after he you know retired this is after he retired and he's here's the
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thing he's going to New York he's going to Florida and he who knows how much money he's
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spending and he's keeping that confidential because he'd I he I don't think he wants
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somebody telling him what to do right well the other thing that I was getting at that I kind of see here especially
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with that last argument where she's saying she he's swearing at her uh calling her names threatening to leave
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her right okay so this is the vibe I get where and then then the report is she smacks him or hits him right and then
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she takes his handheld massager which is a deadly deadly weapon especially if you
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plug it in and turn it on she's she's beating the TV in his car according to Samford with this item
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right right so what I'm seeing here is I'm seeing a horrible situation where we have this guy
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basically bullying verbally bullying her right and at some point she's saying you
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know what you're I'm going to teach my kids and this is the wrong way to teach them but she's going to teach the kids
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that it's not okay for a husband to bully verbally bully well this my gut feeling is that
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you know he's he's hiding transactions because he's spending money on possibly other women
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and I think these actions her actions beating stuff you know beating up a car beating up the TV
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these are intense actions to me this is somebody that found out information that
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maybe he uh is uh going outside the marriage intense unless she too is an intense person as described as some of
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her her family members saying that they were both intense people no no no I think they had some intense
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disagreements and things going on underneath the surface that maybe maybe some of the children were aware of maybe
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they weren't right but we got a 49 year old that retired it seems like he's going through a little bit of a midlife
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crisis and he's spending weeks at a time in New York or Florida you're going to try to tell me that he's not trying to
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get some he's not trying to Free Willy [Music] all right cheers mates happy holidays to
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everybody happy holidays at this point Captain we have Jennifer Sherman she's the only daughter of Samford and Elisa
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Sherman and she's going to start distancing herself from her father she's furious at him for how he is treating
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her mother and how he handled himself throughout the divorce proceedings and further fractured their family well
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not the proceedings but the the talks right because they're well yeah towards the yeah you're right I I misspoke there
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and what I meant to say is and I think this is what her thoughts are as well is that this
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eventually there would be you know a separation it was imminent it was going to happen right and I think
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that this was a long time coming and I think that she's saying she's disappointed in him for how he handled
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himself during the course of that portion of their relationship as it was tapering off and how she believed that
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his actions were fracturing their immediate family yeah but also too when when it's time to go hey it's time to
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get a divorce right there are some couples that actually can agree upon things and it doesn't have to
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be this drag out fight normally once you get lawyers involved then your lawyer is
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going to fight for stuff that maybe you don't even want so the best thing you can do is
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if you're both level-headed that you can sit down and and come up with some kind
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of agreement but once you get those lawyers involved and and again yeah I understand that the daughter is taking
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the mom's side I get that but some of this stuff you know divorce becomes a business
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transaction as well so his lawyer might have been saying look you need to do these things to protect yourself because
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you don't want to have to go to Walmart and be a greeter or something yeah and as far as you know 2011 as far
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as the Sherman family is concerned it described by many close to them as disintegrating
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what a horrible word to have describe your family a family of six and the older Sherman family children as we had
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said they would they were starting to choose sides Josh distance himself from his mother taking his father's side
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Jennifer as stated pulled away from Samford siding with her mother and in January it was January of 2011 when
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Eliza wrote an email this was to the then principle of where Jeremy was a sophomore in high school
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she requested that Jeremy be allowed a pass fail grade for one of his classes rather than let his underperformance
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affect his grade point average her email stressed that his academic struggles were due to the family problems within
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the household in the email she stated that she had been battling and struggling with a very controlling
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hurtful spouse for many years she wrote it looks like divorce is imminent it took me a long time to reach this point
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try to avoid it at all costs but seeing how my oldest son turned into a reincarnate of his father
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I realize I have to free Jeremy from this environment nobody knows about the steps I need to take
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so Elisa filed for divorce in June of 2011 of that same year according to the cuyahogacounty court documents and this
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is when she hired Joe Stafford of Stafford and Stafford at the advice of a longtime friend old staffer and Stafford
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Stafford all those guys Stafford and Stafford is regarded as one of Northeast Ohio's busiest law firms dealing with
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family law it's because they have such a clever name Stafford built a reputation
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for handling complex high-profile divorce cases the day after he received divorce papers
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from Eliza Samford filed for divorce as well Eliza moved into the bedroom downstairs in the downstairs portion of
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their home neither Elisa nor Sanford wanted to leave the home out of fear of the
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Court's um seeing as that one of them had vacated the property right police reported visiting the home six
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times that year in 2011 one police report from July reveals an argument between Eliza and Samford and Josh
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another from that same month shows Josh called 9-1-1 because he was convinced hang on to your your seat Captain okay
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Josh called 9-1-1 because he was convinced Eliza stole losing lottery tickets and collectible coins out of his
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bedroom according to one of elise's Brothers losing lottery tickets yeah okay and according to one of elise's
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Brothers Josh by that point had basically disowned his mother okay let me let me if there's any children
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listening there should not be any because this this is an adult show yeah welcome to Adult Swim
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um the thing here is if you're a child I love this he called the police because his mother stole losing lottery tickets
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and collectible coins from his bedroom let me clue you in here kids first of all that's not your bedroom that's her
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bedroom right and second of all everything within the confines of those four walls those are hers too right
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everything if your parent takes something from your pant pocket your room your basement your garage wherever
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that is theirs it's not yours you can't steal from your children unless they're unless they're up unless they're 18.
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they're older and providing for themselves but that's not technically true I mean because you could you could
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buy something at love of some value I was just watching freak Freaks and Geeks he bought that drum set
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and his dad just sold it and he wanted money for it because he bought it with his own money but don't you think Josh
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is being silly here calling 9-1-1 not on his mother I'm just right well because it's I get what you're saying it's it's
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not every I kind of made it in every situation right kind of thing this world isn't black and white there's some gray
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Colonel there's a little gray but it's not in Josh's bedroom on a stack of losing lottery tickets he's
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wrong to talk about what's in his bedroom but please don't call 9-1-1 on your mother well but this is again this
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is the this is the family standard yeah you're right see that's what I was getting at maybe they've broken that
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threshold to the point where it's like you just gotta tell somebody you got to tell on somebody the cops have actual
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things they need to do so anytime you wonder why oh hey why didn't they uh why didn't they solve this crime over here
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or solve this murder well it's because it's [ __ ] like this right because you got some [ __ ] kid that lives in this
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giant house going my Mom stole my losing lottery tickets well first of all why do
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you have lottery tickets to begin with and why would you keep losing lottery tickets
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are you just that much of a loser like hey man these are winners to me well by the end of 2011 I guess Samford
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this seems a bit strange to me at this point he's seeking help from friends to persuade to try to persuade Eliza to
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settle the divorce um how's that strange to you I guess it's not strange it I only say that
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because it seems like there's so much angst between the two of them going into this that it that for someone to have a
00:34:17
level head and and come out with this we should just settle this thing we should
00:34:22
just sit down like adults and agree on things I'm not seeing that type of behavior leading up to this well but
00:34:28
what he might be trying to get he might not be saying hey I want her to agree to everything I want
00:34:35
or we should just sit down and talk to this he might say my lawyer has talked to her lawyer her lawyer has talked to
00:34:41
mine multiple times wherever we're at right now let's just settle this and and like I said before it's because
00:34:49
of the lawyers you get the lawyer involved the more times you call them the more money they charge you
00:34:56
you get a little retainer right retainer once that money runs out real quick and
00:35:05
then they just start charging you an arm and a leg and I don't care what it cost
00:35:09
and hey no that's how they get paid right and so it could be oh he has some collectible car that you don't even like
00:35:17
well let's just argue about it because there's going to be a couple more phone calls so maybe that's what he was trying
00:35:23
to go hey we're wasting money we're wasting money that our family has created and we're wasting money that could be
00:35:32
used children's college funds or on your next house on my next house or wasting money on lawyer fees maybe
00:35:40
that's what it was well your way of thinking makes a lot of sense because it's about that same time that that
00:35:46
Sanford's requesting that the court put a restraining order on all joint bank accounts attached to Elisa's name
00:35:53
including those that she held with her mother uh with with Jason and with her daughter
00:36:00
Jennifer Eliza grew concerned about this though because she believed it direct it
00:36:06
directly influenced their children's Financial stability in January of 2012 Eliza sent herself an
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email at two in the morning rambling and expressing her fears she wrote I am really afraid he is going to have me
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killed Eliza put a deadbolt on her bedroom door and locked herself in her room each
00:36:33
night in an email to her attorney Elisa wrote I told you from the beginning I needed
00:36:39
your help to bring a bully down I need to teach my sons that is not it is not okay to threaten and terrorize women
00:36:48
even if I come out broke it will be worth it to give them this life lesson right assuming that they're
00:36:58
going to get the lesson that's the that's the thing sometimes people go I'm going to do this and I'll go broke
00:37:04
proving this point if they're not if they don't receive the message then you wasted your damn time yeah
00:37:12
because you could Flash Forward 20 years and that same kid that you were trying to teach a lesson is saying
00:37:19
well if she would have just let it go she couldn't just let it go right and now we're all broke right or she's broke
00:37:26
yeah right and see what you did you know now you need those losing lottery tickets right to bail yourself to double
00:37:35
triple check them in case there's a a free entry or a two dollar winner hey look you won you won being a loser well
00:37:44
uh in March of 2012 Stafford's law license was suspended for one year after the Ohio Supreme Court
00:37:52
Stafford or Stafford I don't I'm uncertain as to which Stafford we're talking about for one staff or two yeah
00:37:59
but this was after the Ohio Supreme Court found that he had violated six of the state's rules of professional
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conduct for judges and attorneys in his absence yeah Eliza's case was given over to
00:38:14
Stafford's senior associate and this is Gregory Moore but we still don't know which Stafford
00:38:22
but this Captain was not a good thing for Eliza she told her brother Edward that the new attorney Gregory Moore he
00:38:32
was often late for meetings and he was unresponsive to text messages and emails within the first six months Moore filed
00:38:42
several continuances on elise's case pushing back the divorce proceedings because he was allegedly unprepared to
00:38:53
appear in court yeah I guess during this time Eliza interviewed at least two other attorneys
00:39:02
two other lawyers to take her case but apparently her case was too far along so no one could take the case and
00:39:11
unfortunately it sounds like Eliza was short on funds by this time as well you know she's already given a substantial
00:39:18
amount of money to this Stafford and Stafford to take on her case with it being a high profile you know a law firm
00:39:26
that's considered to taking on high profile cases I'm guessing that was not a cheap retainer fee oh well not only
00:39:33
the retainer fee but they could charge you you know 150 bucks an hour or they charge you every time you call them I
00:39:41
mean you call your your lawyer two or three times they're like hey that's extra 1500 what what and he didn't even
00:39:50
do anything this goes for other forms of contractors as well um you know but some of them will bill
00:39:56
you 50 you know every for every 15 minutes of a phone call right um there there was a company you know
00:40:03
when I I talked about many times that I've worked in property management for years There Was An Architect that we
00:40:09
worked with all the time and this guy he was a super nice guy but of course he should be super nice because he was
00:40:16
getting paid like you wouldn't believe because if you called him with a question or you sent him an email
00:40:22
regardless if it took him two minutes or ten minutes he would Bill our company for 15 minutes of time
00:40:28
for a simple email well I I build people now and this guy well he's built by the
00:40:34
quarter hour and then he would often schedule meeting after meeting after meeting like unnecessary meetings so he
00:40:40
could charge you for it oh man he kept showing up I'm sure we we were we might have been his only client he was so
00:40:47
smart with how he was working these uh these bills but by March of 2013 according to the court records right Joe
00:40:56
judge Rosemary gold ordered that no more that is a name ordered no more continuances be granted in elise's case
00:41:06
and that the trial would begin on March 26th so just two days before their day in court Gregory Moore elise's attorney
00:41:16
sent Elisa a text message requesting that she meet him at his office downtown to discuss final preparations for their
00:41:25
case on her way there Elisa spoke with her best friend on the phone elise's friend said that Elisa sounded
00:41:34
very optimistic yeah but she was anxious so optimistic but anxious and then of course we know that shortly after this
00:41:43
phone call Elisa was killed that evening just two days before the court appearance
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but for checking out our series on this strange crime and I'll tell you what Captain we are going to get into some
00:42:02
suspects here very soon it's gonna get even stranger yeah and there's a lot going on here so we hope that you will
00:42:09
continue to to join us here in the garage and until episode three or Stanford and Stanford be good be kind
00:42:16
and don't litter [Music] thank you [Music] [Applause]