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Joe yeah it's Mary hey Mary what's up I've been trying to get a hold of you oh did you really really really know
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how my daughter died actually I already told you what I knew I told you what I can't and can't say and I already told
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you what I was Will to show you now listen you're not going down this road okay I know I'm not doing it I okay okay
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just talk to me damn it you had your chance you're down there and you regret it I couldn't stay I had
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no choice I didn't have the money you you know not even that listen listen to me now I couldn't let you perform those
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things on me listen to me I I ask you do was look in your room you wouldn't do that you know you're really lucky I'm
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talking to you now so well I'm sorry so so then you know what then um then hire an escort and you
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can watch an escort and I'll show you what happened to an escort there you go don't have to worry about it Joe do you
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hear yourself yeah why do you mean that all escorts get murdered or something bad happens to them no that's not what I
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what I'm saying to you was listen you didn't want to go through the ACT okay but you wanted to see what happened I
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can you know talk someone say this is what I want the only thing that means a damn
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thing to me is my daughter and I don't know where in the hell she ended up have your other daughter talk to me my other
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daughter yeah you you want my other daughter to talk to you maybe she'll be reasonable what are you going to do ask
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Kur to strip you have to understand I have to protect myself here so it doesn't sound at all Joe like you're
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protecting yourself it sounds to me like you you were doing it for gratification
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or or just to I don't know it just doesn't sound like somebody that cares about it doesn't make sense to you it it
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seems kind of crazy but that's just how it is are you working for Jenny or against
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her I'm working for her but you have to realize something things that I I think are important that you
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know are classified and I will be in huge trouble if I tell you have to show you I don't get it what do what can you
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show me Joe listen I got to let you go I don't get it what could you show me Joe
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I'll see you later byebye Joe [Music] Joe [Music] Scott Lee Kimble was born on September
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21st 1966 in Boulder Colorado his parents were Virgil and Barb Kimble from what we could find it looks like Scott
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was not one of the popular kids at school he attended Lafayette Elementary in Middle School schools he was
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described by a classmate as quiet now Barb and Virgil divorced when Scott was 10 years old Barb fell in love with
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another woman Virgil and Scott's brother Brett moved to Montana and Scott stayed
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behind in Colorado but Scott left high school after only one month eventually after a few years he relocated to join
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his father and Brett but listen to this Captain because we often see this in these types a bad Omen a sign that
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something is just not right police were called to Scott's home during a strange episode in Scott's teenage years when he
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was shooting his father's gun out of one of the windows he was shooting at neighbors homes now it's not clear
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exactly what was going on here was he actually trying to shoot someone or was this just some kind of weird thing or
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maybe a Revenge Type Thing I don't know but regardless this is a significant event and at the very least could be
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categorized as extremely Reckless Behavior Scott attended High School in Hamilton Montana a town of 4,000 people
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but he dropped out just shy of graduating he worked as a guide he guided clients on big game Hunting
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Expeditions he also made some really bad choices not just the shooting at houses
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incident Scott was arrested for stupid things like knocking over mailboxes in June of 1988 at the age of
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21 he was arrested and convicted of felonius passing of bad checks his three-year sentence was
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deferred however on the condition that he stay above the law Scott like many others he likes spending money that he
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did not have he was arrested Ed again in October of 88 for passing more bad checks but because this felony
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conviction occurred in a different County his sentence was once again deferred and it didn't activate his
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previous conviction so Scott to say it simply got off very easy in both of these situations he continued to rack up
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arrest although not all of them resulted in convictions he was arrested in October of 88 again this time for
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stealing a fishing pole two rifles and a shotgun and a set of golf clubs this was
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from a residence or multiple residences in Broomfield Colorado he was turned loose which is surprising to me and I'm
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sure everybody else out there considering that the part of this theft involved a gun right uh he was arrested
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again in March uh this time for attempted theft and receives a one-year unsupervised
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probation and a $232 fine so again this is just really no real punishment at all
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for what we're seeing is continued bad behavior right and if you steal a gun or you steal some checks and they just slap
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you on the wrist well why not do it again because you probably got away with it a couple times before you actually
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got caught yeah if if consequences dictate my course of action it's only wrong if I get caught or if I if I don't
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like the consequences right he's not really being punished so Scott continued to self-destruct and actually he even
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attempted to end his life at one point this was while on a hunting trip with his brother remember his brother Brett
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Scott was 23 at this time he went to his motel room and he put a rifle to his head and he actually pulled the trigger
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and the gun was loaded the bullet ripped a hole in his forehead as it bounced off
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of his skull Scott was in critical condition for many days of course he was not in a good place psychologically as
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we can all see this led to the discovery of years of abuse that took place during
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his teen years so what we would we would find out here Captain is that was the victim of a sexual predator this
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started when he was just about 10 years old mhm when he and his 7-year-old cousin were tricked or befriended or
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whatever you want to call it by a 41-year-old computer programmer his name Theodore pton now pton was a neighbor of
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Scott's grandmothers in a trailer park in Netherland Colorado and we know how this goes we
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know how this typically starts off right pton is he he befriends these children and he is taking them places giving them
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money takes them bowling you know hanging out playing video games right but pretty soon he started inviting them
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to his cabin this one at a time you know you don't want both of them there and now he's doing things that are just
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downright wrong he's giving them alcohol this leads to oh getting out the camera
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let's take some photographs and of course eventually this all leads to rape and outright molestation right according
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to the two boys this continued for years with the boys and their families being threatened by Payton right so he's kind
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of controlling them by by not only molesting and raping these boys but on top of that he's telling them if you say
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anything I I'm going to hurt you and I'm going to hurt your family well initially it looks
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like these crimes of check fraud and stuff are just a crime of greed and maybe not a call for help but now when
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you dive into this section you go well maybe maybe these were cries for help but there was no punishment so nobody
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was coming to his help cry for help or sometimes unfortunately when these things when somebody's abused in this
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manner or really many other manners to put it frankly in their formidable years of coming up as a teenager especially
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with this stuff starting when he's 10 or 11 years old they could have mind altering
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effects that last a lifetime for somebody we mentioned that he was threatening the boys and threatening
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their families uh from my understanding Captain the the threats were as great as
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as possible murder death threats shooting these kids or shooting their family right the cousin later told
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police about the abuse and he said that it happened so often that he eventually lost count of
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the number of incidents that took place the situation continued as we said until
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the boys reached their later teen years now remember Scott is not living in the area of his grandmother so his situation
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is a little different than than the cousin who was also being abused but when Scott would come back to visit
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Grandma and when he would come back to visit other family the abuse was still taking place when he would return to
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that area and you see a lot of children describe their predators as the devil so
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imagine that the devil is doing these horrible things to you and then on top of that saying hey if you tell anybody
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I'm going to kill you and I'm going to kill your whole family apparently this situation continued until the boys
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reached their later teen years when they were actually able to stand up for themselves but as we said this did not
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emerge publicly until Scott was 23 when he tried to shoot himself in the head right so in light of his and the cousins
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allegations which were brought to light by therapy Scott underwent after the suicide attempt the Boulder County
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Sheriff's Office investigated pton and they were able to bring some charges against this man in
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1991 a jury convicted Payton of six counts of sexual assault on a child he was sentenced to 7 years apparently he
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was released after five he returned to the area where he had lived when he was abusing the boys and lived out his
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remaining days there in a letter to the court objecting to a sentence reduction for Payton Scott Kimble wrote The
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Following quote Ted pton denied me my right to a normal healthy innocent childhood because of Ted Payton's
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selfishness and his need for sexual gratification he has damaged my life forever end quote now recovered from his
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suicide attempt Scott relocated to Spokane Washington in the early 1990s he obtained employment in the timber
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business out there he brought along with him his girlfriend this is Lissa hence who he met in Montana in 1993 the two
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were married Scott is now 27 at this point on our timeline now this young new couple they had two sons one in late of
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1993 and one in 1996 mhm it doesn't sound like things panned out in the timber trade there because Scott and
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Lissa filed for bankruptcy in June of 1996 and the couple divorced in 1997 later Lissa would reveal some
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details of of her married life uh to Scott Kimbell and says that Scott was not operating within the law Scott's
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pasted of his you know modus operandi of defrauding people and stealing funds continued during the course of their
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marriage according to Lissa he engineered scam after scam and had people constantly chasing after him
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trying to collect money that he frauded them out of or stole from them and possibly a reason why he moved to
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Washington in the first place yeah and the other thing though too as we said he he always managed to avoid actual jail
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or prison time but this would this would end in September of 1997 when he did serve 27 days in jail for uh unknown
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offenses I do not know what the the the charges were now we're making it out 20 27 days isn't
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that long well exactly I don't know what the charge would have been it could have
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been something pretty that's a that's a hiccup that's a vacation pretty minor um
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yeah not one that I want to take though um we're making it out as though Scott is some kind of low-level con artist who
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you know just happen to get away with check cashing scam and fraudulent money making schemes but what I believe that
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we will see here captain that the the truth of the matter is that Scott he's pretty talented as a con
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artist and I think what we're going to see is that his con artist skills might be off the
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charts and you know everyone who met him even those I'll judge that determined to
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see him in prison for the remainder of his days be grudgingly admits that Scott was the best at this uh universally he
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they say he was liked he was jovial friendly and seemingly trustworthy this is how Scott was described time and time
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again over and over by these people that that knew him and met him throughout his
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life well you can tell even by his later interviews that there is a brain inside
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his head yeah and what we will see at we go through this is he truly just he snowed people he befriended
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people made them feel special build up their trust and then he cheated them yeah but he's no Frank caban now what
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happens next on the Scott timeline gives us a clear-cut example of how trustworthy he really seemed to be in
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the spring of 1999 Scott Kimble agreed to work for the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms as an informant on
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a stolen guns investigation yes this is an agency of our federal government taking on a con man a scam
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artist a fraudulent check Rider into their fold now it's not really clear how this Arrangement came about and it did
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not result in any arrest although Scott reportedly gave the ATF some names but not only did Scott get personal
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satisfaction from being a trusted informant for the feds he got paid for a grand total of
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$1,865 the the relationship was over by November of 1999 but Scott Kimble benefited both as we said financially
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but also in the terms of establishing Goodwill with the feds by December of 1999 it was apparent
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that Scott was not only a scam artist but he was also violent on December 8th his ex-wife Lissa reported to spoke
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police that Scott kidnapped her at gunpoint raped her and forced her and the couple's two sons to accompany him
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back to Montana no charges were filed for this incident and there's a lot of speculation here as to why there were no
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charges filed I don't know that I feel super comfortable getting into it knowing as little as we do about this
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situation um but we would see this one more time this when Lissa again called police this time on December
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18th uh saying that Scott had broke into her house that night and held her at gunpoint then he made her take a bath
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and stole money from her purse again no case no charges were brought forward in this incident as well now remember the
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two suspended sentences for convictions for passing bad checks that wait he he go over that
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again he broke in made her take a bath after another sexual assault and there's and there's no charges
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whatsoever that's correct that's ridiculous again I I don't want to speculate as to why there were no
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charges both of these situations we know very little about yeah so I mean it could be
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could be as simple as something as she calls to the police and then later says I don't want to press any charges that's
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why I don't want to get into the speculation of it I don't I don't we can't fault the the police department if
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the the person that notifies them later then says no I don't want to I don't want to bring any charges well no you
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can fault them on some level because there's a possibility that she just doesn't feel safe enough that she can
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press the charges that that if she if she presses the charges this guy's an animal and look what he already did to
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me he might come back and and kill me I agree but I think that it's irresponsible of myself to lay blame to
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someone or or an organization with with knowing nothing really about the situation yeah well let's not lay blame
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to to the organization but let's let's lay blame on the the idea that we we know this situation happened and we
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don't know why it went down this way but well that's why I don't want to shitty CU I don't it happened I don't know that
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it happened so uh I want to go back to the two suspended sentences for uh the the bad checks that took place in 1988
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when Scott was just 21 so he finds himself in jail once again this time in January of 2000 this
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time for violating his probation remember he got probation for those charges MH he violated his probation
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this is for traveling and also for failing to report now finally a little Justice
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here this takes place in April of 2000 a judge threw the book at him Scott was sentenced to 10 years in Montana State
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Prison this for violating those probations now 5 years of this sentence were suspended but Scott was looking at
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5 years of hard time 5 years in the clink District Judge Hansen wrote of Scott quote the defendant is impossible
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to supervise in a community setting you're irresponsible untruthful and simply do what you want to do regardless
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of the rules and conditions imposed by this court then even more charges were brought against him this time for three
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counts of felony check forgery that occurred in 1999 in Spokan his additional conviction piled
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up eight more months onto his prison sentence this is where the story really starts to
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gain some momentum here Captain Scott's sentence his 5 years 8 months with the 5
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years suspended actually only resulted in him serving 15 months in July of 2001 he was relocated to a pre-release
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Center in Helena Montana He was permitted to get a job on the outside and just report back to the
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center when not at work Scott landed himself a job as a cashier at the easy stop gas station but within just a
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couple of weeks Scott decided a change of scenery would be nice on July 29th Scott was working alone at the gas
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station let's quickly review what the good judge said of Scott remember saying he was impossible to supervise in a
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community he's irresponsible untruthful and simp simply does not he simply does what he wants regardless of the rules
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well the district judge Hansen was what we call here in the garage exactly right
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so while working at the station alone on the 29th of July Scott lifted $677 from the register he stole a work
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truck and he took off for Parts Unknown lock your doors now I imagine there was several slim gems and a Big Gulp stolen
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from that g station as well that didn't go reported right and that's the real crime here well now Scott you are a
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wanted man a warrant was issued for the arrest of Scott Lee Kimble but where did
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Scott hi tail it to on the run from the law in this stolen truck where else but the furthest place away he could think
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of Alaska it's not known how Scott managed to get across the Canadian border but knowing his Charisma and
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charm he probably probably just sweet talked his way in there and it didn't really take long for him to turn up in
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Alaska Captain this is because he could not resist falling back on his old ways writing bad checks this time Scott
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assumed the identity of Brett Kimble his brother in the few months since his Escape Brett wrote
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$25,000 in counterfeit checks collected the cash and had landed himself a fiance
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as far as this woman whose name is Katherine Curtis was concerned Scott was a man named Brett Kimble and they were
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in love and living in a hotel room where Scott was eventually found and arrested
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during a raid along with $1,300 in cash well it just proves that love is the biggest con of
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going to do a little bouncing around here through a few years on our timeline but while while this is not going to be
00:31:40
in chronological order this order makes sense to me so we're going to roll with it because of the activities and Scott's
00:31:48
actions I guess what I'm trying to say here Captain is pay much less attention to the actual dates that we say but pay
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more attention to Scott's actions as as we go through this piece of the story Scott of course was not happy sitting in
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jail and he managed to come up with some excitement for himself you know always seeking the Limelight and backs slapping
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from authorities Scott snitched that his cellmate one Arnold flowers who was in for fraud had asked him to hire a hitman
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to murder a federal judge a prosec computer and two witnesses so Scott also named Arnold's
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girlfriend as a co-conspirator in this whole thing and sure enough a press released by the US Department of Justice
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dated March 22nd 2002 states that flowers and his girlfriend were indicted for plotting to kill a judge a
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prosecutor and a witness in the fraud case so according to the Department of Justice release
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flowers had provided a handwritten note of four intended victims to an intermediary who was to make contact
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with a Hitman of course this intermediary was Scott the plot went so far as to see the girlfriend go to a
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hotel room to meet the person she believed to be a Hitman and pay him a down payment for the murders the
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department of Justice release concludes quote the investigation leading to the arrest was the result of a Cooperative
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effort of the United States Secret Service Federal Bureau of Investigation Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms
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and the United States Marshals service and quote what what's really going on here exactly is what we have to kind of
00:33:49
look at this situation and kind of examine it right yeah do we think that Scott just stumbled into a
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murder for higher plot and decided to sing like a bird and rat on his cellmate for the good of the
00:34:08
land I'm thinking probably not mhm so here's what I think probably happened here Captain I think Scott may have
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figured out a way to kind of orchestrate this whole thing in a way of saying you
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know if he starts telling his cellmate hey I I know Hitmen or or I know people that will will kill somebody for for
00:34:31
money you know I can put out a contract on someone and this guy who's in sitting
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in jail sitting in prison starts mouthing off saying hey I'd like to kill that judge that put me in here oh by the
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way I'd like to kill that prosecutor that put me in here and they wouldn't have been able to put me away if it
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wasn't for those two witnesses right and I think this this handwritten note I call in a question too is it possible
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that that Scott Manu factured that note and provided it as some piece of evidence against these individuals what
00:35:02
I'm getting at here is look there there's a good chance that his his cellmate probably did want to kill these
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people and had intentions to especially after Scott tells them hey I know how to
00:35:17
to set something like this up but is this this is seems to me more about you know what I'm in prison how
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can I weasel my way out of here as fast as possible I'm going turn on this dude and get in good with with the
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authorities right Scott went on to testify at the trial which took place in 2003 and the pair was convicted of
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witness tampering but they were acquitted of the murder for higher charges now Scott was paid this really
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sucks Scott was paid $188,000 by the FBI for his cooperation as a witness in the
00:35:56
cas case against flowers and his girlfriend that's so stupid that's a lot of Rolling Papers yeah in October of
00:36:06
2001 this is before it's a lot of slim JY yeah this is before the the flowers murder plot that we just discussed
00:36:13
assistant us attorney Tom Wales he's 49 years old he's a father of two he's killed at his home in Seattle Washington
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someone shot through a basement window and shot him while he was sitting at a desk down there in his
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basement we know from what we could find that Scott was in the Seattle area in the fall of 2001 this was just for a
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short time this is when he opened up a bogus Wells Fargo account under the name Brett Kimble his brother's name he would
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later tell Federal authorities that he had information about the wells murder now I should point out that this case
00:36:58
technically is unsolved to this day the wells murder case is still unsolved investigators eventually began
00:37:05
to suspect that Scott actually may have had something to do with the murder either himself or
00:37:13
through somebody else although if that's true the motive would be truly unknown it we we could speculate but there
00:37:22
doesn't seem to be an obvious motive here now according to book written by Scott's cousin the book is titled SLK
00:37:32
serial killer Scott was working on a fishing boat in Seattle in the fall of 2001 and Scott was arrested in Alaska
00:37:40
this in November of 2001 he used information about the Wales murder case to play the FBI gleaning
00:37:52
whatever information he could about the case off of the internet he convinced authorities that he had overheard a
00:37:58
couple of inmates talking about the wells case and that he might be able to offer them information about this Wells
00:38:05
case so Scott starts feeding the FBI bogus information he strung them along pretty good meeting with agents a number
00:38:13
of times including one 3-day meeting in Seattle that took place from February 24th to the 27th of 2003 well let's
00:38:22
think about this for a second I need to inform it know that this guy is a criminal or career-long con man do you
00:38:33
really mess with a con man I I wonder how that meeting went down I wonder if there was two FBI
00:38:40
agents one sitting looking at the other one going hey this guy is not to be trusted he is a con man and the other
00:38:47
guy going I don't know I kind of believe him seems like a good guy so what's interesting here I think
00:38:54
is the continued the continued Mo of Scott Kimble okay twice he finds himself Behind Bars and when he does it seems
00:39:07
like he's coming up with these plans of I'm going to turn on this guy or these guys and what carrot do I have to dangle
00:39:19
in front of the authorities because if you if you go to him likely look this is all speculation here but if I'm Scott
00:39:26
Kim and I go to him and I say hey this guy that I'm in cell with or these guys that I overheard talking in the
00:39:32
yard um they're going to kill some dude that you never heard of maybe he's a drug Pusher or or a check counterfeit or
00:39:42
or somebody else some dude you never heard of I have information on that Scott's smart enough to know I need
00:39:50
that's not a big carrot that's not a very big enough carrot to to really help my situation that seems to be all he's
00:39:57
attempting to do what do we see in the first case he's turning on his cellmate saying you this guy was going to kill a
00:40:03
judge he was going to kill a prosecutor he was going to kill Witnesses the the Department of Justice and the the law
00:40:11
enforcement the authorities value the protection of witnesses like you wouldn't believe and they should very
00:40:17
smartly so yeah correct and he's like he's going to kill two witnesses and hire somebody to and then what is what
00:40:24
do we see once he's once again in prison it's oh I heard I might have some information regarding the murder of the
00:40:33
assistant us attorney Tom Wales so these are big carrots that he's coming up with and I it's almost like to
00:40:43
me like you pointed out it's like why why would you why would the FBI why would these organizations get involved
00:40:50
with this guy who clearly is a con man it clearly is a scam artist he's one he's one of these
00:40:57
people that he's Behind Bars because of what they would call paper cases where you can easily put together evidence
00:41:05
against this individual because everything he stole or frauded people from was the result of of paper a paper
00:41:13
trail that he put together himself that you can apply to him and get the conviction what we have here though is
00:41:21
somebody going look we can these this is a big cases this is a big to-do this is violent this is murder
00:41:31
this is judges prosecutors us attorneys this is big a big deal maybe we deal with this little paper case guy because
00:41:41
we we need to prevent these big things from taking place right we we're we're after bigger fish is what I think you
00:41:50
think is happening at the time now as we said the Wales case is unsolved um apparently it sounds to me
00:42:01
like investigators suspect that that Scott Kimble may have actually he could have possibly been the shooter there
00:42:07
there's some speculation as to that Captain I don't want to get too far into that
00:42:14
um but I think the reason why they think that there was a strange letter that shows up to the Seattle FBI office okay
00:42:25
this letter was postmarked from Las Vegas and dated January 3rd in this letter the writer said that he was the
00:42:34
killer of Tom Wales he said a woman hired him to shoot Wales we will get into this much much
00:42:42
more later but there is some good reason to possibly believe that Scott was passing through Las Vegas in January of
00:42:51
2006 so there's a chance that he wrote and mailed the letter I I'm I'm getting a little confused in
00:43:00
the story here as to what I believe is likely I don't know that that he may have been the shooter or if he's really
00:43:10
just manipulating the system because as said it seems to me like all the information he was able to provide to
00:43:18
the authorities regarding the murder of Wales he could have found all that on the internet right which if he's sitting
00:43:24
behind bars and he gets used of a computer at the uh you know when you go to the library or wherever that he could
00:43:31
have he could have found all of that information and pieced it together with some of these cells these days they
00:43:38
might have computers right in their cell well keep in mind like one of the one of
00:43:42
the biggest problems that we have in uh some of these prisons is the prisoners want to sneak in cell phones they want
00:43:50
to get a cell phone in there one cuz they can call whomever they want whenever they want but also I would
00:43:55
imagine you can get some kind of Internet Service as well right well I know I have a friend that was
00:44:02
complaining because it was their turn they have a relative that's in jail and it was their turn they all decided as a
00:44:11
family to help this individual uh try to reform and and better his life that they
00:44:17
would get cable for his cell so they pay like a monthly fee for this little TV that gets uh CA
00:44:26
in the cell so it's basically like a Netflix uh Netflix and chill Behind Bars mhm yeah I just be sitting in there
00:44:38
watching reruns of Monk and the office constant I think real solv Mysteries real
00:44:45
punishment you know and I don't want to get in a whole debate of what prisoners should have and what they shouldn't have
00:44:50
because I actually I actually believe depending on what type of prison you are are in and what type of offender you are
00:44:56
that should vary maybe there's like a tear process but at least the the worst of the worst when they have cable that
00:45:04
angers me so badly um I think that the the real the real bad guys you know what real punishment is C-SPAN baby you can
00:45:14
watch C-SPAN for that's all you get to see and you get maybe 45 minutes of it a day tear your eyes out yeah I think we
00:45:21
should start off with a genital mutilation and then work up from there you know to really punish people well so
00:45:30
what does the Tom Wales murder and Scott Kimble's telling the Feds that he had information on this case have to do with
00:45:38
the bigger picture let's just say that that his cooperation and this is key this is key to our story here Captain
00:45:45
his cooperation with the authorities on the Wales case and also the flowers case
00:45:50
that we already went through this is what would lead the FBI to turn him turn to him again in another case down the
00:45:58
road and we will see that that will have devastating consequences all right Captain so for
00:46:06
those of you following along at home and for those of you who are completely lost
00:46:11
what we have here is we have Scott Lee Kimble who has spent the last few years in and out of prison he's been arrested
00:46:20
for multiple different charges and even in uh different areas as well so regarding the the order of this let's
00:46:29
go to 2002 because there's going to be something very significant to the story that takes place in 2002 this remember
00:46:36
Scott was arrested in Alaska for forging checks and because he escaped from that
00:46:42
prison pre-release in Montana in June He is transferred to federal prison in Littleton Colorado this is because he
00:46:54
told authorities that his life had been threatened by multiple inmates this is because he's a snitch by this point he's
00:47:02
snitched on his cellmates uh especially the we're talking about the flowers case here so
00:47:08
Scott's history of cooperating with authorities would soon earn him another informant role and a prison release in
00:47:18
the fall of 2002 Scott reported to the FBI that his cellmate a Steve Enis had asked got to murder another drug dealer
00:47:28
this guy's name is Jason price who was going to testify against Steve Enis Andis was doing 10 years in federal
00:47:36
prison on drug charges for running a massive ecstasy distribution Network and the DEA was monitoring his activities
00:47:46
carefully now it's unclear what if anything Steve Enis was really cooking up again is this something that Steve
00:47:54
Enis was actually putting into place or is something that Scott Kimble is manufacturing and providing bogus
00:48:00
information in regards to it seems possible that Steve might have made some noises about wanting this guy dead and
00:48:08
then Scott acted on that um it's unclear what Steve thought Scott's role in Steve's plans were because he wasn't
00:48:19
supposed to be getting out anytime soon so that's what's a little tricky here how would Steve think that Scott
00:48:26
could help him while they're both on the inside so this makes three times well yeah and that's why I kind of
00:48:35
pointed out that I think it's a little strange that Steve would try to get Scott involved in this whole murder for
00:48:43
higher plot because how would Steve think that Scott could provide him any assistance
00:48:50
in this when Scott is looking at doing almost as much time as as Steve right you you know you how's he
00:48:59
going to get this going from the inside Steve could probably get this going on his own from the inside and we know how
00:49:06
these prison populations work this dude was already moved there because he's saying hey I'm being threatened because
00:49:13
I I'm a snitch I've ratted out some other guys before so Scott seems like the last person that an inmate would
00:49:21
tell hey I'm thinking about killing this guy that's going to testify against me at trial this this rival uh drug dealer
00:49:29
or whatever you want to call him I want this guy dead it doesn't make sense that
00:49:33
he would tell Scott that's why I question here Captain is this something that Scott just totally manufactured all
00:49:40
on his own because he's learned time and time again and he's he's executed this before where he goes you know I'm going
00:49:46
to either make up this stuff about this guy or I'm going to rat on this dude over over real stuff either way it's
00:49:54
going to benefit me me and in this situation it could get me out of prison very quickly so that that's why I wanted to
00:50:04
bring that up because we got to keep in mind even though he's becoming an informant and he's ratting on these
00:50:09
dudes is there a chance that he's just manufacturing all this stuff himself and putting the pieces together and then
00:50:16
feeding it to the authorities so really this situation to me is very reminiscent of the flowers
00:50:23
case that we already discussed because somehow Scott got word to the FBI that his cellmate Steve Enis was
00:50:31
plotting to kill someone on the outside and again as I stated this is another witness yeah this is when the FBI will
00:50:38
the same setup right it's like it's like you said you can you can watch his interviews you can see him you can
00:50:45
listen to him speak there's a brain in there this guy is there's also brains in the FBI agents you'd think they'd go hey
00:50:52
this this seems familiar oh I agree age with you 100% 100% it's strange to me how this guy was able to make this work
00:51:01
time and time again but I I do think he's probably pretty good at what he did and that's no excuse but it's also one
00:51:10
of these things that he's like Scott Kimbell figured out like this works and I'm going to keep doing it until it
00:51:16
stops working so what we have here is a known con man a known criminal guy that's suspected other other crimes
00:51:27
other than con man situations the FBI there's no excuse for that there's no excuse for our FBI to be tricked oh
00:51:38
I'm not going to pretend it's completely dumb of them to believe him time and time again I think what they're blinded
00:51:45
by is what we pointed out earlier this is a this is a paper case guy pretty low level who doesn't seem to be violent I
00:51:52
mean we do have those allegations of things by his ex-wife but there were never charges brought forward on any of
00:51:59
that so they're not seeing that stuff but what what they're seeing is oh we got these bigger fish that we want to go
00:52:07
after oh they're seeing that stuff they know that it happened and they know there was no
00:52:12
charges that that that stuff doesn't just go away the FBI would know that stuff or should know that stuff he
00:52:20
wouldn't have any record of it though I'm just saying they should I'm just saying that RF if if there was a a
00:52:29
possible situation that their charges were never brought that might not go on your criminal history but that's not
00:52:35
that's not the record that the FBI has of each individual in America they have a lot of data on you on me on every
00:52:44
listener that's listening to the show well regardless this is going to be when the FBI formally will take on Scott
00:52:51
Kimble as an actual informant and this is going to earn Scott a release from prison yeah hold on cuz if if he fools
00:52:59
you twice might as well have him work for you this takes place on December 18th 2002 when Scott is released from
00:53:07
prison in order to quote actively cooperate with the FBI on the stepen inis matter end quote what was Scott's
00:53:16
role in this whole thing well he was ordered by FBI agent Carl schlaf to pretend to be a man named Joseph Lee
00:53:25
Scott and the FBI was going to set him up with this new identity provided to him uh and they
00:53:33
gave him a birth certificate and a driver's license saying that he was in fact Joseph Lee Scott so Scott Kimble
00:53:42
who is now Joe Scott he's put in charge of keeping an eye on Steve ennis's girlfriend her name is Jennifer Markham
00:53:51
so Scott Kimbell told authorities this is how we get to Jennifer Markham he told authorities that
00:53:57
Jennifer Markham an's girlfriend since she is the one on the outside she is going to be the one that sets up this
00:54:06
whole murder plot I'm guessing that means Kimble told law enforcement that she was going to hire the killer so
00:54:14
Jennifer Markham was also a potential witness for the DEA in a large meth case the short of it is Scot Le Kimble is now
00:54:24
out of prison living under a new identity and working with the FBI and all of this is going to turn into some
00:54:34
very bad bad business and fairly quickly now before we wrap up here Captain we must give a big thank you and
00:54:44
shout out to a website this is scotle Kimble decom it's a website that is maintained by The Daily Camera which is
00:54:52
a Boulder Colorado newspaper dating all all the way back to 1890 that's right your great great
00:54:59
grandfather was reading the Daily Camera the website was invaluable to our research and the site includes a
00:55:07
timeline and links to numerous articles about the case and if the name the Daily
00:55:12
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