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it's a voicemail unlike anything you've ever heard before there are two minutes worth of noises
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bizarre ones very little actual Talking authorities come confirmed the disturbing middle of
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the night call came from Henry McCabe's cell phone it was Labor Day September 7th at 2 28 in the morning McCabe's
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worried wife heard the message his and my cell phone connected Minnesota community policing Services is a
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non-profit agency it acts as a go-between with police in the Liberian Community the leader is trying to help
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the family make some sense of this recording the growls turn to high pitch oldies
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in pain suddenly stopped there is silence then someone either Henry or another person
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says stop it I tried a picture where he was um what it might have been like what circumstances would have made him
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sound like that the voicemail is in stark contrast to other articulate recordings of McCabe speaking at an
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event he's a state auditor what is it justification what is the right thing to do the message is one piece of evidence
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Mounds View police are reviewing the police chief tells me even the FBI is analyzing the recording and voices for
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Clues the chief says the investigation took deputies here on Tuesday to Rice Creek Park which borders New
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Brighton Mounds View and Fridley all areas where McCabe was reported scene or a cell phone ping placed him Ramsey
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County Water Patrol search but came up empty foreign [Music] there you just heard it portions of
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probably the strangest phone call most mysterious phone call we've ever played on this show and we have played some
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strange ones over the years Brandon Lawson comes to mind the West Mesa body pit case there was strange phone calls
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in that one as well I know Niner a brief overview of this case we have Henry McCabe he is a Minnesota Revenue
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Department employee on September 6 2015 he's 32 years old and he goes out to a club with some friends during the course
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of the evening Henry has several drinks later Henry and a friend are heading home when Henry supposedly convinced his
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friend to let him off at a gas station though no CCTV footage was found of Henry at an area gas station to confirm
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this that was the last time he would be seen alive then at about 2 30 a.m a voicemail from Henry was left on his
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wife's phone on the call you can clearly hear screaming and groaning in pain immediate searches for Henry McCabe
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would reveal nothing right and there's not much here so let's start with what we do have and that is the audio from
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this voicemail now there was a full-length version of this on the internet but for some reason it has
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since been taken down well we think there was I mean this could be like urban legend now at this point well
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right but there there seems to be signs of this or evidence of this or even speculation of this right because there
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are people online who have stated hey I know this was available at one time I can't find it anymore and we believe
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that the reporter is actually using the clip from the internet that the police released correct so
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this like you said the thought is that the police released this voicemail at some point I actually have some
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suspicions on this and my suspicions are I wonder if they release the full two minutes I I don't think they did if I
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had to guess because you've seen the way that things are copied and printed and pasted and left on the internet it seems
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to me like if there was once the full length audio I think it would there would be some version or some way of
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finding it still today right if anybody is an internet expert and can try to find this clip I'd really love to take
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it and dissect it and to see if we could basically analyze it just like we did with the Brandon Lawson case and that
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was our first goal with this actually you and I were quite excited about this case because we were told hey at the
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center of this young man's disappearance is this strange horrifying phone call this voicemail two minutes long and we
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thought wow okay we can do exactly what we did with Brandon Lawson we can dissect it and we can really listen to
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it piece by piece inch by inch and kind of give our own opinion of what we think
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is happening during the course of that two minutes because you heard that Quick Clip there
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there's some really strange horrifying is really the only thing that I that I keep the word I keep coming
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back to when I hear the groans and the screaming there's some stuff that's almost like
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unexplainable too that you know the right I tried to do this almost like growling but there's also this weird how
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it goes from a lower pitch ground to almost like a high squeal and very uh unusual so the clip that we played for
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you during the trailer is by far the most famous most popular clip of this audio so if you do a quick
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search for Henry McCabe 911 call or Henry McCabe voicemail Henry McCabe audio any of those things it will pull
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up usually that news clip first will be first in your your your find there yeah let's just be
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clear it's not a 9-1-1 call it's a it's a voicemail to his wife correct correct I just said that because that's a common
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Google search in uh this this case and I believe it's also confirmed that it was
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coming from his phone 100 it was confirmed that it was coming from Henry's phone now here's one thing that
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I really question and this is why I question if at any time was the full length audio released and that's because
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in every report I could find they State you hear screaming you hear moans you hear groans and you clearly hear someone
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they they very specifically say someone either Henry or someone else yell stop it
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right the problem with that Captain is you heard that clip and I I have already said that's probably the most popular
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of this clip of this phone call right you never actually hear that stop it portion or anybody yelling stop it
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whether it be Henry or somebody else I in all the different versions of audio I could find of this phone call of this
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voicemail I never found one that played that portion of the tape right and you would think that this would be very
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similar to some of the other cases where you just have a clip that they they play
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over and over uh like they would take this stop it and play it over and over on the news and they they didn't for as
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much as I could find yeah at no point could I find that and then the thing that's very troubling about this is
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Henry is missing for quite some time and you think that this stop it portion of the audio would have been played for the
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public so let's go through the timeline in a little more detail shall we so on Sunday
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September 6 2015 Henry joins at least two friends this is Calvin Johnson and William Papas Kennedy at povs Club this
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is a nightclub now there are going to be people familiar with this case and they're going to say Nick that is not
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the name of the nightclub this nightclub has held many names over the years it's
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actually referred to as three different names and the reports I could find for Simplicity I'm going to roll with povs
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for the of course POV stand for I know I don't know if it stands for anything or
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if it's just simply short for something it should have been called POS well this
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is on Highway 65 and from everything I could find Captain Henry McCabe and his friends are at this club just before the
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nine o'clock hour at some point according to the people at the club with Henry Henry is so
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intoxicated that his friends decide to confiscate Henry's wallet so he cannot buy any more drinks all right so
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obviously he's buying so many drinks but the bartenders are still serving and his
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friends say hey they're still serving him so we need to take this in our own hands and take his wallet there are
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you're going to see a common theme in this case and this is conflicting reports let's say yes there's multiple I
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mean almost every detail that we do know has conflicted in some way so there are
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many people that state that Henry had a few drinks that's their words a few drinks
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but for some reason he's so intoxicated that a friend has to confiscate his wallet so he cannot buy any more drinks
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now we all know what kind of suspicions that leads us to think of right and then
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you wonder is there well I guess the question the first question is is there any speculation that he might have been
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doing drugs where one his friends wouldn't know or maybe that his friends would know is he's slipping into the
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bathroom and doing a little cocaine a little nose candy so here's what I would like to know one I would
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like to know what is his condition let's say at the nine o'clock hour when he arrives at the club like
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you said was he partying before he arrives to to party with his friends was he already drunk yeah was he pre-gaming
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so think about this this is a holiday weekend he's got the next day off that's why he's at a club on a Sunday night who
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knows what was going on leading up to this so one I'd like to know more about Henry's condition at the nine o'clock
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hour and I would also like a little more clarification on what was the what was going on at the club that night was it
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packed was there just a few people there right you know because you and I know just given the amount of people in the
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room can really add to conflicting stories and we've seen in the past how many people all of a sudden want to be
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involved in a case that you know they really have nothing to offer as far as information goes now you got people
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coming out of the woodwork going oh yeah I was at the club that night I saw that
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guy he I think he only had one or two drinks right regardless one consistent statement in this case is
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that the friend confiscated his wallet at some point so he could not buy more drinks
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at 1 40 a.m well let's just stop there because I want to that on one hand that makes him look suspicious and on the
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other hand it makes him look like a very good friend so at 1 40 a.m We have Calvin Johnson one of Henry's friends he
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says that he sees Henry leaving the club with the other guy that we mentioned William Papas Kennedy um okay so at 1 40
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a.m these two people are leaving the club now he's going to be riding Henry will be riding in William Kennedy's call
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and why is he leaving I don't know what time it would be closing time I mean 140
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is pretty late most bars in Columbus close around two o'clock but obviously this is not in Columbus so we don't know
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exactly what time These Bars shut down it could be 4 a.m for all we know and it could have nothing to do with closing
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time it could just be he's so drunk he's 32 he's drunk it's 1 40 in the morning you got to go home sometime right yeah
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that's one of my favorite lines this one somebody says you're drunk go home yeah
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well at 2 15 a.m according to William Kennedy who was driving Henry Henry asked to be dropped off at a super
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America gas station on Central and 73rd Avenue however cell pings Place him in the area of Creek View Park in New
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Brighton most reports state that the phone is off after this okay well let's start with the idea that his buddy's
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going drop them off at the gas station okay maybe Henry's a smoker maybe he's gonna try to get something to eat to
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sober up we don't know but we do know that the gas station has surveillance cameras
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and there's no footage of him on those on those tapes let's back it up just a second shall we because okay let's
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juvenile yeah let's let's talk about this because we have uh Calvin Johnson who's saying he's so intoxicated I had
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to take his wallet yeah and then you have another friend going well he asked me to drop him off at a gas station and
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I did I just turned I just turned him loose he was so drunk that I just turned him loose on the town maybe Johnson's
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the good friend and Kennedy's the the [ __ ] friend could possibly I I actually found this to be very upsetting well I
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thought I found it to be very suspicious to be honest with you and when I first started looking into this the reports
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that I were reading I was reading made it sound like it was the same friend you know right the same individual
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confiscated his wallet and dropped him off at a gas station in the middle of the night that's not true the reports
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are that Calvin Johnson was the one that took the wallet at some point William Kennedy is the guy that drops him off at
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the gas station regardless I still found this to be suspicious because I'm under
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the assumption he needs a ride home again I want to know Henry McCabe's condition question at nine at nine PM
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did he how did he get to the club did he ride there with William Kennedy right the the thing I also wonder that's not
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talked about a lot is is his wallet gone at this point or is his wallet back in his
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possession at this point because you're gonna drop me off at the gas station for
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One For What and won't I need money and did he have money outside of the wallet I'll take my wallet but I still got some
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cash on me so I can get something at the gas station I was able to find an interview with this William Kennedy and
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he offers the shine a little bit of light on the subject to which he adds he says look I I wasn't like really good
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friends with Henry we we just kind of knew each other and we weren't uh best friends we didn't run around in the same
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circles acquaintances exactly that's exactly what he says that their relationship was so it changes though
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you know when when the person you know sometimes in these cases somebody will quickly say oh yeah he was my buddy and
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then once there once they think they're a suspect it's like wow we weren't that close well it's only 13 minutes later
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that at 2 28 A.M a call is placed from Henry's phone and like you and I had already said it's confirmed that it
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comes from Henry's phone and this call goes to his wife Karine the call leaves a two-minute voicemail that according to
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Media includes sounds of walking falling groans moans and things to the nature of
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like he got hurt or he's hurt right and then towards the end this is according to Media I've not heard this portion
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according to the media towards the end of the voicemail a voice says stop it now do we know if that was
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a female voice or a male voice I don't even think we know that do we well having not heard it one I don't know but
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the thing that I find interesting here is that it's they they are very clear to say to specify that it doesn't have to
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be Henry yelling stop it it could be somebody else they're not certain nobody's claiming to know who's saying
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stop it but with them saying that it could be Henry or it could not be Henry my thought is leaning towards it it's
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probably a male sounding voice right and if there was if the voice had any female
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characteristics they might allude to that as well right um and then it's the following day
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Monday September 7th 2015 Karine McCabe contacts and files a missing persons report with the Mounds View Police
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Department so the following day on Tuesday the police conduct a search of the super
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America gas station and the surrounding areas all right so continuing on the timeline yes and there's a lot of
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confusing information out there regarding this voicemail like I said at the center of this case this strange
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voicemail and what I mean by confusion is that we have the wife says she receives the call
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Henry's wife however there are reports out there that state his brother was the one that received the voicemail
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I believe that the reason for this confusion it's actually very simple and very clear I think that I'm very happy
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to clear it all up for you guys right here right now I think well thank you Colonel it sounds to me
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that the call 100 came from Henry's phone and went to his wife's phone voicemail left on his wife's cell phone
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however the person that brought the voicemail to the media and released it and gave it to the media was his brother
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that makes sense that's where the confusion lies so it's very simple he left this voicemail for his wife now
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regarding his wife Karine she's actually in California this takes place in Minnesota according to what law
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enforcement have stated Karine was in California preparing for a move the whole family was going to move to
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California for some reason right now in an interview with Karine she simply says
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look Henry was spending time with some friends that he hadn't seen in a long time that statement I find to be weird
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when we have the other gentleman saying hey we're just acquaintances right she says that she actually might just be
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simplifying it by lumping them all together well and he's going out there to see one friend ends up hanging out
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with a friend in an acquaintance well and again that's the problem with this case with this story what's going on at
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the club how many people was he meeting up with at the club right you know so anyway 5 000 right
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so spending time with some friends that he had not seen in a long time she says that she actually spoke to him that
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night and she believes that she spoke to Henry around the time that they were getting ready to leave the club
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at that point he says something like I'll call you back later so at that point she's saying he's
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coherent right then she gets later much later she gets that strange call in the middle of the
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night that's left on her voicemail to which she tries to call him back and she then says that her calls are
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going straight to his voicemail at that point so now she's worried and the next morning she reports her husband as
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missing and also if it's going straight to voicemail you're assuming at that point his phone was dead
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right and so here's some other things that we should throw in there it's it's been reported that the mccabes were
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experiencing financial difficulties at this time that they had defaulted on their rent
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uh Henry had received a bad review at work and was uh reportedly having work issues at that time
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now there are no issues do we know just issues that I don't know we we have the the specific information of he had just
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received a bad review at work right um if usually if you get a bad review you are having some kind of work issues
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leading up to that yeah so there is no report or indication of marital problems between the two and as we said Karine
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was in California with their children at that time and she did return to Minnesota on September 10th to Aid in
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search efforts yeah and you also wonder at this point okay this married guy he's
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still pretty young has two kids he's going out drinking with his buddies you know is it uh you know a different area
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codes area codes type of situation is he just going out to drink with some buddies is he looking to try to find the
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lady to hook up with well so the search we we mentioned that the searches started at the super America gas station
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right and then the surrounding areas the super America gas station this is the way that they planned out these
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searches let's put everybody at this gas station where we have been told is the last low last known location of Henry
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McCabe right right and we're going to have everybody fan out and search from this gas station
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walking back to his residence yeah seems like a logical it's a 35 minute walk so
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according to his driver according to the man that was driving him he requested to
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be dropped off there it seems like quite a distance to try to track it on your own right
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especially if you're yeah you might not care so they might not know the other thing I had to wonder about too with
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this friend or acquaintance whatever we want to label him as dropping Henry off in the middle of the night at a gas
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station right you have to wonder you ever get that person that's really intoxicated and you're trying to help
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them but they're just so damn annoying that you give up at some point you quit trying to be reasonable you know if if
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he's throwing a fit or if he just insists and insist and insist on being dropped off at the gas station at some
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point do you just give in and go all right buddy you're a grown man well yeah it was trying to figure out if
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this gas station was known to have uh sex workers there because sometimes in these small towns you you might have
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walkers right when I lived in Richmond Indiana we had walkers but there was one or two stops like a gas station here or
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a business here that they would kind of hang around uh or like when we covered the vanishing girls in Chillicothe
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they're all hanging around right the the McDonald's and so was this a situation where it was
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hey I know that there's I mean what is the reason that you're dropping him off right that that would
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be a big reason and if he's not saying oh he didn't say well maybe he said that but this guy doesn't want to talk bad
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about this guy you think there would have to be some kind of information because in that interview William
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basically says was he going to meet someone there I don't know he offers up no explanation for why Henry wanted to
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be dropped off there it sounds like Henry was insisting on it according to William's words he just keeps saying
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drop me off here I'll be fine I'll be fine this is my area to which then he drops him off now later
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in the investigation Captain we will learn that Henry was never dropped off at the super America gas station we'll
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get into that more after this quick beer break all right we're back cheers cheers to you Captain I'm gonna
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get extra Saucy today so it's about three weeks into The Disappearance of missing person Henry McCabe when law
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enforcement learned that he was actually dropped off at a different gas station that night so we have his acquaintance
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who says he convinced me to drop him off at the super America gas station turns out he was dropped off at a Holiday
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gas station which is about three miles on the same strip but it's three miles further away from Henry's home all right
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so here's what I wonder was Kennedy a little intoxicated when he dropped off Henry and just this was a mistake he
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just said I he told the police the wrong gas station or did he give him the wrong gas station on
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purpose you read my mind because that's what I thought of at first I'm like this
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Kennedy dude seems very shady very suspicious you know he he tells them the wrong place hey I dropped him off at
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this gas station they can't find any uh surveillance footage of that happening and then later they're able to determine
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that he was actually dropped off at this Holiday gas station but that's because they found surveillance footage of him
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being dropped off there so what I think that we have here is almost exactly what
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you said and and you know it's a situation and nobody do this at home you know but it's one of those situations
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where oh hold on go ahead and keep going it's one of those situations where the I
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believe the least intoxicated person drove yeah so nothing good comes of that and I
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actually think that this is a honest mistake let's call it that because I think that's why Kennedy would stick to
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his story for three weeks saying no you can say whatever you want you know there's I don't care that there's no
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footage of of me dropping him off I know I dropped him off at this gas station well but now there's footage of Henry at
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the Holiday gas station correct okay so but is it possible that he dropped him off at the one and Henry made his way
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down three miles yeah you know to to the other gas station I've not been able to find the
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actual footage and I don't know that it's been released but the way that it's been described is that it's of Kennedy
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dropping him off at this other gas station well it's I mean this this case has conspiracy written all over I mean
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you got a guy named with the last name Kennedy and like the guy with the last name Johnson we know what happened last
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time those two were in office well and the thing here is we've discussed this on our show before where we have a
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witness or we have someone that's trying to offer up information in an investigation and that information turns
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out to be incorrect however that doesn't necessarily mean that they are lying if
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they are telling you the truth but they're just mistaken it's not necessarily a lie and in Kennedy's
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defense I've seen photographs of both of these gas stations okay so they're the same type of business obviously how
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however they have the same like colors you know how like super America is like red white and blue right from what I
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could see of the Holiday gas station it's red white and blue as well okay so again we have a guy named Kennedy a guy
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named Johnson we have gas stations that are red white and blue huh well what what I think may have
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happened here is I think Kennedy just got the wrong gas station right right you know just told him the wrong gas
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station so the other thing too is you have to wonder how well did Kennedy know the area you know and and the other
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thing too people point out well he dropped him off further away from McCabe's home
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well Kennedy may have had no idea where McCabe actually lived right so that doesn't seem suspicious suspicious in of
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itself so I don't know that that really has anything to do with Kennedy you know or
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or what he says happened that night the thing here though is Captain we have on two months later two months after Henry
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goes missing a kayaker found a body in Rush Lake this is about seven miles away on November 2nd a body is found and by
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November 3rd it's identified as being the body of Henry McCabe okay there are there were all kinds of talk
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about this uh body being found obviously one the first reports that were coming out suggested that the body was weighted
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down however all the later reports would never mention that it was weighted down and
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only say that it was partially submerged and it was near some brush one thing I want to point out about this
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Rush Lake is this lake is has a very to put it as simple as possible wedi Shoreline
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they've shown you know you can see news footage of this area it looked to me to be very difficult for
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anyone to get into that Lake Juan then the question is the wording because waited down when I hear weighted down I
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hear somebody tied a rope around a cinder block that's what when I hear weighted down but weighted down could
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mean weighted down by something on the shoreline and I think that's what we have here
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because the words partially submerged and near some brush almost indicates that the body kind of got caught
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underneath something that was making it harder to for anybody to find yeah you know it was almost two months before his
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body is found according to reports what was found in the autopsy is that it's ruled in accidental drowning in
00:33:32
fresh water uh so let me get into this yeah because this is getting weirder yeah and here's
00:33:39
a here's a big problem that I kind of have with this case so we've reviewed many cases that have been
00:33:46
ruled an accidental death or suspicious death or then later changed to accidental death
00:33:54
typically what I have found is that the autopsies for those accidental deaths are pretty readily available you can
00:34:03
find them you know we know this from the Diane Schuler case and from Kendrick Johnson's case
00:34:09
I think that the reason why that is is the case in those instances is that they look when they say it's an accidental
00:34:17
death they they want it to be very black and white and very transparent for everybody to go look you can view this
00:34:23
yourself right this is what we came up with however in Henry's case I can't find the autopsy anywhere
00:34:30
and maybe it's out there but I've looked high and low and can't find the thing I
00:34:36
can find a bazillion reports that state what is said in the autopsy but I can't view the actual autopsy itself right
00:34:43
so I find that a little questionable let's say and I do want to really hit home this idea of the lake from video
00:34:52
footage that I've seen and from pictures that I've seen it doesn't appear that this lake is very accessible at all it
00:35:00
it would take some difficulty and what I mean by that is you have one thought that he was heavily
00:35:07
intoxicated or maybe he was drugged up by by his own doing or somebody else is doing and he ended up in this Lake on
00:35:16
accident right but we have evidence of something some kind of struggle now we we don't know for certain if those
00:35:24
noises that we hear on the voicemail are coming from Henry we don't know that um but
00:35:33
I mean let's just assume they are because they're coming from his phone right and then at some point you have
00:35:40
somebody saying stop it okay stop it and then you're going to tell me that this guy actually you know accidentally
00:35:47
drowned you know this autopsy doesn't seem to make sense do we have any puncture do we
00:35:54
have there's no signs of a struggle there's no signs of uh bruising the exact wording is there are no marks on
00:36:02
the body no signs of trauma to the body ah yeah so well that's I mean let me point out some obvious stuff here I mean
00:36:12
take um take the Kendrick Johnson case right we have weird suspicious things and then we
00:36:21
have this autopsy that says no it's accidental right and then in the Kanika Jenkins case in in Chicago
00:36:30
we have a young lady walking around like a drugged up zombie found in a freezer accidental now we have a guy that leaves
00:36:42
a bar he's probably intoxicated makes a call leaves a long voice message with crazy sounds and somebody's saying
00:36:52
stop it and he was found in the river and now we're going to say it's it's an accident
00:36:58
you know it seems like all three victims are are black right and it just seems to
00:37:06
me that with evidence like this they're so quick to come out with this accidental it's
00:37:13
accidental and that's done and I I think that's so irresponsible well okay let's
00:37:19
say that the information is 100 accurate and correct in this autopsy from the reports we are hearing about the autopsy
00:37:28
well this I think this is going to be a case that we hear later that they you know assume the body and and and and do
00:37:36
another autopsy so for it to be an accidental drowning it there needs to be water in the lungs or in the windpipes
00:37:44
right right so that really only leaves you if if there is no trauma to the body if there is no marks on the body there
00:37:52
was water found in the lungs or windpipes that we don't know because we've not seen the actual autopsy but if
00:38:00
that is the case then you're kind of left with one of two scenarios either he did accidentally drown in the lake or
00:38:07
somebody held him underwater right and the weird thing about that is those gurgle noises and the some of the
00:38:14
noises you hear on that short clip they go with both of those scenarios right but to a point of somebody yelling
00:38:21
stop it which again we can't confirm actually happens because we we can't hear that portion of the tape right and
00:38:28
and look is it a little suspicious that this tape was rumored to be out on the internet and now it's not
00:38:35
I mean that's a little suspicious to me the other thing that I find very weird is like I I again I really want to hit
00:38:42
this home if he ended up in that lake with no marks on his body I want somebody to
00:38:47
tell me how that happened because I've seen how thick the brush is around this Lake I've seen there's trees there's
00:38:54
weeds it's not like there's a there's a cleared Shoreline where you could just Waltz on into the lake that you've seen
00:39:00
yeah I've seen it there are a couple from my understanding there are at least two maybe three Creeks that would feed
00:39:09
into that body of water well I'm and I'm gonna you know dispute your point a little bit
00:39:14
if a kayaker is finding this that we probably have Drop Zones and pickup zones that's a very good point that
00:39:20
there's there's a launch point right you know for at least for the kayaker and if
00:39:25
there is you know because my buddy uh Rainbow River kayaking canoe down in Dunellen Florida tell them the captain
00:39:33
sent you but I do got a buddy that that runs um a kayaking canoe delivery service and
00:39:40
wear their drop-in points and their pickup points they're very clear so so let's get into some interesting
00:39:49
theories because there's there's a bazillion of them obviously but I've kind of narrowed it down I've put a
00:39:55
short list together of mine well let me put Let Me toss out the first one so we can get rid of it because one I own
00:40:01
Crocs and and I only wear them when I'm watching Finding Bigfoot and some of these noises on this tape that in the
00:40:09
weird conspiracy groups they'll bring up Bigfoot okay I don't know if you've seen
00:40:14
these yeah you can't miss them um because of what people think that the bigfoot calls sound like okay that these
00:40:23
guttural growls to high-end house you know kind of like a type sound um they would say this is a Bigfoot noise
00:40:36
this is a noise that they make this is a call so but again if he comes in contact with a
00:40:44
Bigfoot and the Bigfoot is the one that puts him in the water you're going to have some markings of that I would
00:40:50
believe I would think so I would just assume look like I said I do enjoy watching shows on bigfoots and aliens
00:40:58
and all that stuff I think it's fun and entertaining I just don't know if we have any a scientific proof that they
00:41:04
even exist right it's hard to entertain those theories when you're talking about
00:41:09
things we have no confirmation if they exist right and then for you know look for all I know Bigfoot could live on the
00:41:16
corner of Maine and High Street in somebody's basement I don't know but from my understanding have you seen this
00:41:22
no but what I'm saying is my understanding of this area is it's fairly residential that it's not we're
00:41:27
not talking about he this is not um this is not Dennis Martin who was somebody that was out in the middle of nowhere
00:41:33
you know National Forest National Park right type situation this is fairly residential
00:41:39
so I think the the most interesting theories that I saw would be heavily intoxicated or maybe somebody drugged
00:41:48
him with GHB very possible and that there is some form of hallucination that he freaked out and ran you know probably
00:41:58
could have ran aimlessly through the woods through the brush into the water and accidentally drown in the lake well
00:42:05
and think about this I'm going to put some logic behind your theory here he's on something right we don't know
00:42:12
what is on at the very least he had drinks in him right he had drinks in them possibly some GHB right
00:42:20
he gets his friend to drop him off he says okay you're drunk you're out of control I'm Gonna Let You Go he starts
00:42:27
making a scene um for whatever reason he tries to call to get help uh maybe he's on Quaaludes
00:42:37
okay I know that's a drug that's placed from the past but look at the scene and Wolf of Wall
00:42:45
Street where he's talking into the phone and making zero sense he's just making noises that that's happens here now I'm
00:42:52
not saying it's Quaaludes but it could be some kind of mind-altering drug he's making zero sense and maybe making some
00:43:00
commotion and it's somebody at the gas station telling him okay stop like stop acting this way and from there he takes
00:43:08
off finds his way into the water and then it's accidental drowning we have his wife and we also have Henry's
00:43:16
brother these two I would argue no Henry longer or better than most if not anyone else
00:43:24
yeah correct okay both of these individuals state that some of the noises and it's unclear to me as to which of
00:43:33
the noises but both of them have stated publicly that some of the noises sound like Henry to them okay so I'm going to
00:43:41
go ahead and go off of that they're probably correct on that that some of these noises are being made by Henry
00:43:48
that's left on the voicemail both well more particularly his wife Karine she insists that this is not a
00:43:56
call for help that this was a pocket dial you know a butt dial that that she the voicemail is leaving noises that are
00:44:04
picked up by his phone from an accidental call okay uh unintended call right so let's go through some possibilities
00:44:15
with this though because there's one big uh Theory out there and actually I believe it was on Reddit that I I read
00:44:22
quite a lengthy thread I read it on Reddit I read it on Reddit uh quite a lengthy thread regarding the GHB Theory
00:44:31
I just look for all True Crime fans I think Reddit is great I mean is there going to be some nonsense on there of
00:44:39
course but there's some great information and great theories even if it's a theory with no evidence to back
00:44:47
it up it's still an interesting Theory and you can find it almost every case on Reddit webs as well both are yes both of
00:44:54
them are fantastic but I'll throw this caveat out there and this is why neither of them are are my first go-to for a
00:45:01
case of course because they're very lengthy uh usually in the threads and like you said there's some stuff in
00:45:07
there that's just boring or not important to the case and you kind of have to sift your way through it as you
00:45:13
go right so but one really interesting thread I found on there was GHB and people were talking about a
00:45:21
couple different scenarios first there was I believe a nurse or doctor on there that was stating hey I've I've
00:45:27
encountered people that have ingested large amounts of GHB and they gargle and make noises like like what you were
00:45:35
talking about with the Quaaludes and Wolf of Wall Street right and then there was another individual on there that was
00:45:41
stating hey you know sometimes at these clubs and this is their experience I'm not hip enough to have
00:45:47
this kind of experience or go to places that would have this going on that I know of but this person was saying that
00:45:55
sometimes at these at certain clubs or Raves or parties or whatever that some people ingest large amounts of GHB on
00:46:04
accident because from what this person says it's a clear liquid and they had had an experience
00:46:13
where a friend of theirs thought they were picking up like a glass of vodka or a bottle of vodka kind of chugged it you
00:46:21
know took a couple big shills out of it and ended up turns out it was not vodka well they were pretty pretty messed up
00:46:28
and we've also seen in several cases and I've actually been diving into this reports of actual bartenders that drug
00:46:38
customers almost as like oh you're a shitty Tipper okay it's time for me to drug you and I'm going to watch you uh
00:46:45
have a really hard time tonight it's not going to kill you but you're gonna have
00:46:49
a really hard time but if you're what you're saying uh in a scenario like that well then this guy was killed by
00:46:57
something like that under this thought and Theory this kind of makes a little bit of sense
00:47:03
because we have people stating earlier he only had a few drinks but on the other hand we have people saying he was
00:47:08
so intoxicated we had to take his wallet from him so he couldn't buy any more drinks right so that kind of if if those
00:47:14
two things are true absolutely true then this Theory Works within those guidelines right
00:47:22
now here's another interesting one regarding the pocket call you know Karine says this is a pocket caller or
00:47:29
an unintended call yeah there is a theory out there that is some type of police cover-up
00:47:35
and of course you know this people get angry of course right somebody somewhere somebody's very angry right it's always
00:47:42
Bigfoot or a police cover-up the Bigfoot working in cahoots with the police the police have been covering up for bigfoot
00:47:49
since the possibly that they that the big that Bigfoot lives at the police department they've been covering up for
00:47:57
bigfoot since the late 1800s at least I mean that's as far back as I can trace it anyway this this Theory works like
00:48:06
this that Henry was walking home from the gas station where he was dropped off at some point a police officer pulls
00:48:15
over or approaches him with the thought that he would be arrested for public intoxication right somehow they get into
00:48:23
it there's an altercation and the police taze Henry to which he has a bad reaction maybe it's a heart attack I
00:48:33
don't know but for whatever every reason he he dies or almost dies from this uh situation
00:48:41
and then to cover it up he's placed in the lake at some point his body's not discovered for two more months I do want
00:48:48
to throw out there though one thing that makes this extra tough extra difficult level here
00:48:55
is that he's he's in that Lake for almost two months I mean what is lost what evidence is lost to tell us what
00:49:03
happened to Henry during the course of that time a ton but what wouldn't be lost as if there was beating or bruising
00:49:09
or any of that stuff or a puncture that's not going to be lost so but the tough thing about this theory is one
00:49:16
most cops for the most part have good intentions right they're there to Serve and Protect so the likelihood that a cop
00:49:24
would come around taser guy he dies and then if his partner is saying hey stop it
00:49:30
now you're going to tell me that two cops that signed up to Serve and Protect killed an innocent man
00:49:36
threw him into the river because let's say he's on drugs or drunk and he is fighting the cops that they probably
00:49:45
have body cams or dash cams or whatever so now you got to get rid of that evidence if you just killed this man but
00:49:53
if this guy was attacking you and and this was you defending yourself you'd have that evidence on a dash cam or a
00:50:01
body cam to then to protect your ass to say hey look we were just trying to control him he attacked us and then it
00:50:09
was accidental death because of that these are what I mean right so do we have any evidence that there's any uh
00:50:17
camera footage missing from any of these officers or do they even have these on their um Vehicles well the other thing
00:50:25
too is we don't have any Witnesses saying they saw anything like this at all right number one number two the way
00:50:32
that this theory is is spoke of would be that during the course of that butt dial
00:50:39
what we're hearing is Henry being tased or attacked by the police right and then
00:50:46
he's killed right or then he dies okay like you said no marks on the body very little if no trauma at all signs of
00:50:54
trauma to the body so there's a big problem there that you have to get over the other problem that you have to get
00:51:00
over to that's not discussed is that what we hear from from that portion of the voicemail the only time that anybody
00:51:10
says that words are spoken is one person selling yelling or saying stop it right
00:51:16
everything else is just noises so what where I'm going with this Captain is police are very vocal when they are
00:51:25
trying to control someone when they are trying to get them to listen to them when they are trying to get them to go
00:51:30
along with their instructions they're extremely vocal right and the the the more that you disobey them the more that
00:51:38
you don't listen to them the louder they tend to get yes you I would think that if this scenario is correct you would
00:51:46
hear a lot of police chatter you would hear a lot of being told to get on the ground stop it
00:51:52
put your hands in the air put your hands where I can see them a lot of that stuff
00:51:56
and that is not nobody at any time says that they hear that on the voicemail right but we only have a clip we don't
00:52:04
have the full voicemail right but but the thing I have with that is we have we do know that his wife and
00:52:13
brother both have listened to the entirety of the voicemail right and I think that if either of them thought
00:52:18
that a police officer or police officers were responsible for what happened to Henry I think that would have came out
00:52:26
in the media and the media would have been very happy to broadcast that for us you know especially they normally are
00:52:33
yeah so I I think that I can I'm wiping that theory away just because I think that if they're look where there's smoke
00:52:41
there's fire but what I'm getting at is there's no smoke here yeah but I'm not wiping that away and
00:52:46
the reason why is because like I said I think this case because there's so many [ __ ] scenarios and because they're
00:52:53
called One Look release the call release that to the public especially if you say
00:52:58
it's an accident yeah and and if people are saying hey this is possibly a com uh
00:53:03
police conspiracy release the audio let us hear for ourselves what is on that audio clip okay the other thing too is
00:53:12
release the autopsy okay let's see what hat that what happens there okay now the
00:53:18
autopsy may be released I like I said I just can't find it right but you find it
00:53:22
for almost every other case right and so you didn't find it for this one I'm not
00:53:26
gonna blame you okay there's a lot of people in this story that I'm gonna blame but I'm not going to be blaming
00:53:31
you well thank you no but okay but so we have all these then we have the situation with his friend
00:53:40
dropping him off or stating that he dropped him at a different location than what he actually dropped him off to but
00:53:46
I I believe with this with the autopsy with the with the lack of evidence other than this
00:53:55
weird call this voicemail at some point the family should get a collection from the community
00:54:06
get supporters behind you and just do another autopsy have a second opinion look at this to see if anything was
00:54:14
fishy and it might come back simply yes it was accidental drowning and he possibly was on something unless you
00:54:24
would have answers and I think uh that's the least they could do because Henry deserves that I mean this guy seems to
00:54:33
have done nothing wrong in his life he went out one night drinking did he drink too much did he take did he take
00:54:41
something he shouldn't have taken was he was he trying to party too hard but we can get answers I think from the
00:54:48
second autopsy yeah and so I don't want anybody to think that we didn't talk about a possible animal attack because
00:54:57
that's one of that's one of the leading theories but you pointed out very clearly that kind of goes along with the
00:55:04
Bigfoot Theory right there's no marks on the body well you know and the fact that
00:55:08
the other animals are probably real yeah and so if this were going to be an animal attack some people say that the
00:55:15
noises you're hearing on the voicemail are coming from an animal that's attacking him right but the problem with
00:55:22
that again there's no marks on the body If This Were an animal attack unless the
00:55:27
animal managed to scare him frighten him and chase him into the river or into the
00:55:31
lake and then he accidentally drown um the animal attack just doesn't doesn't play out here for me well and
00:55:38
this would be difficult too because let's say a dog I got a hold of his sure or something that the rips of that
00:55:47
shirt could be similar to the rips in the shirt once he's submerged in water for that length and and hitting the
00:55:55
shoreline there could be similar markings on on clothes and that that could be a possibility where something
00:56:04
did attack him and never really made contact with his body but again I think the answers are going to really lie with
00:56:12
the second autopsy just to you know I think he deserves that this I think we all yeah anybody
00:56:19
anybody that's listening that this could possibly happen to you know your family owes that to you to
00:56:26
just go hey let's let's get a second opinion and just make sure that it's correct one theory that is I find to be
00:56:33
probably the most interesting out of all that have been discussed is a possible Revenge killing and the thought being
00:56:40
that the voicemail was no accident the the whomever is responsible purposely dialed his phone and let let it pick up
00:56:51
whatever noises it could during the drowning process of Henry McCabe right and that they whoever killed him wanted
00:57:00
his family or whoever was going to be picking up the phone to hear that that it was some kind of Revenge then my
00:57:08
other question then becomes too is this is this cell phone that he had is it waterproof is it something that you
00:57:15
could put in water and is that the reason why we're hearing some weird sounds because the phone itself is
00:57:22
submerged in water is that a possibility let me ask you this and because this is
00:57:27
one of the more more troubling of the facts in this case or lack of facts could you find anywhere hard proof that
00:57:36
the phone was found that the phone was located because this voicemail is on his wife's phone
00:57:42
right you know I have not heard anything about his phone being found or not found
00:57:47
correct and that that really bothered me I don't know what we can gather from from it if it were to have been found
00:57:55
somebody's yelling at us right now going but what you get from that is and we you
00:57:59
know we're just drawing a blank but that's what you get when you spend hours and hours recording in the garage you
00:58:04
get blank brains sometimes the uh one thing that I find well you yeah but you would know the model number somebody
00:58:12
should know the model number and that would let us know and also was the phone did the phone
00:58:19
hang up because remember when they said hang up or go dead right because because
00:58:24
the call ends at some point the call ends up some point and then when she starts calling it goes straight to
00:58:30
voicemail well I would do the same thing if the phone was submerged in water the
00:58:34
phone would probably record even if it's not waterproof for a while and that's where you could get some Distortion and
00:58:41
frequencies so let's say the phone was picking up something that was a lower frequency well you could then start
00:58:47
having glitches where so when you have this guttural growl to a higher pitch noise these things could be altered by
00:58:55
the phone start starting to malfunction underwater I don't necessarily it doesn't have to
00:59:02
be um I mean he could be calling for help as they're pushing him down into the water
00:59:09
so you just said something you just hit a home run there I'm gonna Circle back to that but I do want to clean up
00:59:14
something that I said earlier when I said to for me to make the statement that his
00:59:20
wife Karine said that she was trying to call him and it was going straight to voicemail right I don't know that that's
00:59:27
true I believe her exact words from that interview were I I tried calling him back and I kept getting his voicemail so
00:59:35
I I it could have gone straight to voicemail but I just want to clean that up a little bit to to say exactly what
00:59:42
she said that she kept getting his voicemail well it's really nice that at the last minute of the show I think we
00:59:48
did come up with some very interesting thoughts well here's a thought though what and
00:59:54
I'm going to take it a little make it a good one because I don't want to end on the bad one I
00:59:58
want to take a little excerpt from what you just said where I said I think you hit a home run and I want to Circle back
01:00:04
to it okay your statement you said he could have been calling for help right yeah those are your words
01:00:13
I think that's genius and here's where I have a big problem with this case and with the statements of those surrounding
01:00:21
Henry and who was in Henry's life at the time of his death every interview I could find with Karine
01:00:28
she constantly says that he pocket called me that he pocket dialed me at no point is there ever any mention of the
01:00:38
thought that he could have been calling for help so what you're saying is do you think that's suspicious on her
01:00:46
end that she very never very very suspicious he would call her for help right I I think that it's strange that I
01:00:54
review multiple interviews with her and at no point does she ever say he could have been calling for help right but
01:01:01
this is also an idea that through interviews or through talking with the police or through talking with
01:01:08
anybody that maybe she rolled that out as a possibility before she did these interviews that we've we have seen true
01:01:17
true but I I think we're talking about a case that it's very difficult to rule out possibilities yeah I'd love to hear
01:01:25
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01:01:40
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01:01:50
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