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true [Music] [Music] cry [Music] the medical examiner says the missing jogger died of strangulation and was
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possibly sexually assaulted police have new information on this murder mystery including new evidence that could lead
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to the woman's killer we've now learned from police sources that when Katrina Karina vetrano's body was discovered she
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was still clutching grass in one of her hands an indication that she was likely dragged from the main trail sources also
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tell us that one of her sneakers and her headphones were missing from the crime scene and tonight the search for that
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evidence and her killer continues reward posters spell out the tragic news this 30-year-old woman was
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murdered and now police need help to find her killer for those who knew Karina vrono she was much more than just
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a face on a flyer she was a great girl she had tons of friends she lit up the room when she walked in family friends
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and neighbors came together and lit candles outside the vetro Restaurant and Lounge where vetrano worked she was
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found strangled Tuesday night after going for a jog just a few blocks from her Howard Beach Home in the Spring
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Creek Federal Parkland near the Belt Parkway police also believe she may have been sexually assaulted they say her
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body was found with her shorts and sports bra pulled down police say vrono left her home to go for a jog around 5:
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Tuesday evening the Avid Runner often used the unpaved trail and usually ran alongside her father this time an injury
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kept him at home he asked her not to run this pth all right now without him police say vatrano was texting with a
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friend when the text suddenly stopped her father began to worry when his phone calls to her went unanswered at some
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point after that her father began to get worried where she was she didn't return
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home normally he called a member of the service uh uh police chief who lives nearby who then called 911 he helped
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police retraced their usual running route and pings from her cell phone led them to a marshy area about 15 ft From
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the Path her father discovered the body you can imagine his his angst at that point uh we found her face down in the
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ground while the community continues to mourn vetrano's death the focus shifts to finding her killer I hope they just
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catch the animal that did [Music] it August 2nd 2016 30-year-old Karina vrono was out
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for a routine jog near her home Karina lived in the Howard Beach area in the state of New York she lived in the same
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neighborhood as her parents now Karina typically ran the path with her father Phil vrono who was not with her because
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of an injury he had asked her not to go warning her it might not be safe without
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him but she went anyway her typical route would take her through portions of the
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neighborhood and along a bike path that ran along the Belt Parkway this taking her over by Spring
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Creek Park during her jog Karina had been listening to music and texting a friend the last known image of Karina
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vetron was captured at 5:46 p.m. on August 2nd when a surveillance camera recorded her running past a parked car
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later her father repeatedly tried to call her cell phone Karina did not answer well let's talk about who Karina
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was well she was born in 1986 in New York and we already mentioned her Father Phil her mother's name is Kathy M and
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Karina was one of three children Karina graduated from St John's with a master's
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in Speech Pathology she's an aspiring writer um I believe she was working in the restaurant Biz at the time of this
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attack now her Father Phil uh who Karina said was her best friend and obviously her jogging partner uh he is a retired
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New York City firefighter he was one of the many brave brave First Responders at
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Ground Zero after the September 11th attacks now the area where the vetrano family lives this is a this is a nice
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area however we did hear the warning Phil had recommended to his daughter that she not go out jogging without him
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that makes it sound quite dangerous but what this really means is there is a what the people living in the
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neighborhood refer to as the high weeds area or Tall Weeds area mhm this is toward the Spring Creek Park neighbors
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have said that this area you know a lot of the girls in the neighborhood have been told not to walk alone along this
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area and one neighbor even stated that this is typically where hobos and bums would lurk it's very similar to like the
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Gilgo Beach yeah when well when Karina didn't return from her evening jog her Father Phil called her cell phone three
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times well and her Father Phil was he he was very physically fit he's a handsome
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man yeah and then she has a you know beautiful mom so you put those two together they got a beautiful daughter
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well and she's extremely fit as well mhm Avid jogger uh when she didn't answer any of these calls Phil went out despite
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his back injury that had kept him from participating in the jog he went out he's looking for his daughter this is
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this is actually perfect because he knows the route that they would normally take he knows where to go to look for
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her right Phil does not find his daughter in fact he finds no sign or trace of her he calls the police and he
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notifies them that his daughter is missing the police respond and they join in the search they quickly use Karina's
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cell phone inform information to help narrow the search they're using the very same calls from Phil when he had called
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her cell phone to gather cell phone tower ping information to locate her mhm from there somewhere in the brush off
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the path Karina's phone was located and then police and Phil vetrino found Karina's body at around 900 p.m. yeah
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this was in the Spring Creek Park area what's kind of interesting here though is um everybody said well was it hard
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for you to find your daughter and he said that he would prefer that he found her than somebody else yeah I I saw a
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bunch of interviews with Phil vrono and the thing was he was extremely close to his daughter and he he also said that
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you know finding her and being a part of the search was like the one last thing he could do in a form of protection of
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his own daughter you know all he ever wanted to do was protect his daugh daughter and be her best friend and it
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was the one last act that he could do I I do want to to make reference to kind of his feelings and the feelings of the
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Neighbors at the time when they were searching for her mhm I don't think they were expecting a good
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outcome um you know I hate to say that but I think you know people were some people are a little surprised by Phil's
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reaction I think he was already kind of trying to on some level accept it that this is what I'm going to find as
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they search for his daughter I believe he also said he had a feeling mhm and and we we hear this a lot of times with
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cases where somebody goes missing and and right away somebody has a feeling that it's bad yeah well the police and
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Phil they located Karina's body at about 900 p.m. that night in the Spring Creek
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Park area she was located face down about 14 blocks from her home in the marshes of the park about 15 feet off of
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the main trail let's talk about the initial investigation into this murder first Captain what were the nypd's
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findings and what was learned about the attack and the perpetrator that had killed this young woman well the well
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the first suspect was the the father yeah yeah and we can get into this some suspicions but I want to kind of go
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through the evidence in the investigation first before we get into that so she's found face down now her
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clothing someone had pulled the shorts down she's wearing a typical joggers outfit sports bra and jogging shorts
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it's not just a sports bra but you know it'd be like kind of a half shirt goes down the stomach no no it's if if you
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watch the clip of her running it's you know kind of like you know I don't know I'd call them biker shorts mhm and then
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some kind of top but you could see our mid drift there there's there there's got to be names for these articles
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clothing and we just don't know what they are right and like yeah you would you probably look at it and say sports
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BR but normally you have a sports bra and you put something on top of it I'm assuming you just don't walk out with
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this sports bra I mean she's dressed as a runner right now her phone earbuds and
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at least one shoe while they were all located none of these items were found with the body MH she had bruising there
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was a lot of facial bruising and a lot of bruising on her legs her socks were wet they found quote tall grass in the
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clutches of her hands note the grass and weeds are 4 to 5 foot tall in that area
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at that time of year detectives said all of these factors told them where she had
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been grabbed from and the trail that the attacker that he had dragged her yeah and she was beat up badly very badly
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they they offered this hypothesis they said they believe this was a surprise attack but she had put up one
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hell of a fight the attacker grabbed her beat her and dragged her along a path into the wooded more secluded area now
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at this time she's biting scratching and clawing at her attacker her earbuds come
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out and fall into the brush the attacker grabs Karina's phone and throws it into
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the woods then one of her shoes comes off and as he continues to drag her Karina grabs at the tall weeds in the
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grass now mind you these are thick and would have almost acted like ropes like lifelines that she's grabbing at this
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slows the attacker down but does not stop him the attack is what caused the bruising on her face and the dragging is
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what caused the bruising on her legs after the attack he leaves her lifeless and face down in a wooded secluded area
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just 15 ft off of the path but that was not the only thing that the attacker had
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left behind he left his DNA the medical examiner determined that she most likely
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had been sexually assaulted and died of strangulation well and they're going to have DNA so they get DNA from underneath
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her fingernails DNA from her phone mhm from the person grabbing the phone and throwing the phone and then touch DNA
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from her neck and back area because that's they assume that this person snuck up behind her well after running
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that DNA through Nationwide state and local databases the police they found no matches uh since the national databases
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were only started in 1998 the NYPD said it was also going to look at records to see who might have
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been in jail before that time or someone younger who might not have done any jail
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time right now one thing that they're kind of leading towards here is that their
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suspicions are that this might be a repeat offender now we mentioned the camera footage that shows Karina jogging
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at 5:46 p.m. unfortunately nothing is learned from this as she is she's alone in that footage she's not being followed
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and she's on her normal route no this footage was obtained from canvasing the area the other thing that knock on doors
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talking to people in the neighborhood en C canvasing the area produ produces is this people told police about a man seen
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in the area no one had recognized him so armed with this info the NYPD released a
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sketch of a man seen leaving Spring Creek Park around the time Karina vrono was killed the man in the sketch is not
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considered a suspect however that's their announcement to the public but they but this person may have been a
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witness to the murder or may have have seen something that could offer the police a much needed clue the
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description of the individual is as follows He's listed as a black male 35 to 45 years old height approximately 5'9
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or 10 medium build wearing dark pants with a red t-shirt and a dark wool hat and what were some other suspicions that
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people were having well there was plenty of it early in this investigation that's
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for sure the the public had their suspicions the vetrano family had theirs and the police had suspicions as well
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and I think we can look at each of these now when you talk about the public first
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it's obvious by comments from persons living in the neighborhood uh when you have people saying things like girls
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know not to walk in that area alone and hobos and bums typically lurk in there they while not not shared by all of the
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people I think it's it's pretty likely to say it's pretty reasonable to say that a good portion of that neighborhood
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believed that some undesirable person that does not live in that Community was sneaking around maybe even lying in
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weight to attack some woman walking alone or running alone that evening but a lot of people suspected too that um
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that she was targeted for a while because she is you know she was such an attractive woman that they thought maybe
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she would have been you know um you know tracked and monitored and all that stuff
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the problem with this thought is that she ran almost every time she ran she ran with her father mhm well and that's
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what made people think maybe the father was involved right and you know that was
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um I saw a lot of this on the internet uh rather than in news stories um but some people suggested that the father
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may have killed her now we mentioned that they had a close relationship he was typically the one that would be be
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out jogging with her he did go out looking for her which some have suggested that that points towards some
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form of guilt and then there's some other stories you know we said here that he along with the police found her
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together there are some reports that indicate that he may have found her you know seconds before that that the police
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were following him yeah uh that they were they were assisting him in the search that he was kind of the lead dog
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on on this search and he was the one that found her first yeah I think that's how it went down but again he's you Avid
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Runner that runs this track all the time so he's going to know all the areas and
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I know we always have to look at people close you know on that very Inner Circle
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of the victims because a lot of the times that ends up being the person that has killed the victim however that
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that's not I don't have anything to base this off of other than just my gut feeling when when I first dove in into
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this case I didn't see that from the relationship I didn't find anything weird about their relationship what I
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saw was two people that were very close and that she wanted to be very close with her father and her mother you know
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she lived she she lived in the same neighborhood as them she she was a grown woman who had her own successes she
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could have moved elsewhere she could have lived elsewhere right but from the outside looking in somebody could say
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well maybe she lived in that neighborhood cuz her parents made her I think what happened here was one um you
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know her her father being a firefighter he's a firefighters are normally friends
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with police officers MH so if there was any suspicion towards him he handled it perfectly because he probably said hey I
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understand that you guys are just doing your job and you're trying to find out one what happened and who did this to to
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my daughter and so he probably was pretty cooperative and they were able to clear him pretty quickly well yes they
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were and and I want to I want to go on record saying that I just saw a healthy relationship between her and her parents
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now yeah but okay but you're a detective right uhhuh and she goes missing on a path that she runs with her father mhm
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you should investigate that angle oh of course 100% just because you don't have a feeling of anything weird there you
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got to investigate and what I'm saying is because he's a part of the system he's able to say hey do your job Clear
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me and let's move forward yeah and in fact that is exactly what happened um you know they had DNA in this case so it
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makes it pretty easy to clear people if they're willing to submit to the DNA test which her father did her boyfriend
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did and other family members did as well they cleared a bunch of people immediately early on in this
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investigation because of those DNA tests and being able to compare it to something now as far as the vrono family
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goes their Theory when this case broke I shared the same suspicions as Karina's parents that someone living in the area
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you had mentioned maybe she was tracked because she was very attractive and she did run that same route almost daily
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that someone living in the area was responsible for this in fact Phil vrono he had announced publicly that he was
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looking for a man Phil did not know the name of this man but he believed this is
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a man that must have lived in the area this is because the man regularly ran along the bike path the man Phil said
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had not been seen running the path since the date of the murder later when Phil announced this during a radio interview
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and then a t a TV interview the man Phil was describing was listening and the man
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had came forward he explained that he had had some type of surgery I believe and was not running due to his recovery
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right just like the father yeah the the man while he remains nameless to the public he did volunteer uh DNA to submit
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DNA and was checked and he was cleared well think about this though right you're just some guy that runs a path
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right mhm and you just happen to see this this um you know attractive woman running with her father right right but
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you see them constantly because you guys both run the same path and then you have
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surgery you go oh something happened I can't run and then you hear on the radio that you might be a suspect yeah that
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the father considers you to be a suspect which which he should I would if I were
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her father and there was like some dude that I'm used to seeing and I would be like wait a second I've not seen that
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guy since this date right you know let's make sure this is not just a coincidence
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which it turns out to be yeah but if you're that guy you're looking yourself in the mirror and you're thinking do I
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really look that creepy do I really put off this creepy Vibe I'm just running I'm just running for health reasons I'm
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running to stay in shape and you think I'm a creepo you know what I mean I'm just
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saying you'd have to look at yourself you'd have to think about your hairstyle maybe think about the shoes you're
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wearing and and change that you don't want people thinking that you're some creep running in the park let's get into
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the police suspicions um and I want this is one thing that seemed pretty clear from the get-go they outwardly stated
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that they believe that they were looking for someone with a record with a with a
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previous record of similar type offenses one it's because it was such a violent attack right and and it's also in broad
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daylight pretty much I mean even though you're going to be pulling this girl into this Marsh there's people out there
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yeah I mean so rightfully so this seems like an act that somebody that had priors would
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commit and I think it's all those elements that that makes them convinced that this was a Serial offender maybe a
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serial rapist or serial uh murderer uh you know this because this was stated to reporters and to the public and from
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what they said in regards to the DNA testing remember they said that they had ran it through Nationwide State and
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local databases no matches were found since the na n National Database okay sorry about that spit it out there was
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only started in 1998 they said they were going back to look at records to see who
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might have been in jail before that time or someone younger who might not have done jail time the chief stating that
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they could be looking for a teenager this might imply that Karina's attack was the killer first and that there
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would be more to follow but the FBI actually did a profile on who they thought this suspect was well and they
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released this criminal profile to the public in hopes that it would drum up some leads and it reads as follows the
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person who committed the assault is likely familiar with the park and he may have spent time there for any of a
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variety of reasons the park is routinely used by fishermen dirt bike riders environmentalists and other outdoor
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enthusiasts certain areas within the park serve as a Gathering Place for homeless and recreational drug and
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alcohol users he may have been frequenting or even living in the park for days weeks or months prior to the
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assault and was likely a familiar face to others who use the park on a regular basis following the assault on Karina he
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likely stopped visiting or living in the park abruptly he may have moved his recreational activities or residence to
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another area he may have provided a seemingly reasonable excuse for this change in Behavior he may have even
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suggested his avoidance of the park was due to the danger there in the hours following the assault on Karina anyone
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encountering him may have observed him to be disheveled in appearance with possible scratches or cuts to his hands
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arms neck or face it could have appeared that he was in some type of fight or accident and he may have given any of a
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variety of excuses for his appearance following the assault he may have notice noticeably changed his level of alcohol
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drug or tobacco use he may have paid careful attention to Media reporting on the assault of Karina he may have taken
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steps to limit his exposure to the media reporting and he may have changed his appearance well that's the FBI profile
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but what what did the chief have to say Chief Robert Boyce with the NYPD said that detectives believe that the killing
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was a random attack he said one theory is that the killer retreated through the weeds and emerged along the Belt Parkway
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in Brooklyn pointing out that detectives traced all possible Escape Routes with no suspect on camera and no evidence
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indicating any one person the chief added that detectives think that the wool hat that was seen in the sketch mhm
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of the man that they wanted to talk to he thinks that that could be the key to figuring out who this person is
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reminding us that the murder took place on August 2nd a hot day Karina was in shorts as we had discussed stating that
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you usually don't wear a wool hat on a hot day in fact this is what made the people that had seen him that had gave
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his description to the police this wool hat was one thing that made these people
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remember him and two to take a closer look at him when they had seen him to to begin with mhm the people that spotted
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this man all found it to be strange that he was in fact wearing this on such a hot day keep in mind this profile the
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2023 [Music] [Music] State Police are asking for your help in the investigation into the murder of a
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woman who left for a jog in central Massachusetts this weekend and never came home the body of 27-year-old
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Vanessa marot was found a half mile from her mother's home in Princeton Sunday night at this time police do not know
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whether she was a targeted or a random victim victim victim targeted or random victim all
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right we're back cheers mates and as you just heard in that audio clip just 5 days after Karina vetrano was murdered
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while out for a jog about 175 M away another woman is attacked and murdered while is out for a run Vanessa marcot 27
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years old who lived in New York was found dead in a wooded area near Brooks Station Road just about a half mile from
00:32:38
her mother's Princeton Massachusetts home Vanessa was in Princeton visiting her mother she was getting ready to
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return to her home in New York later that day but was going to go out and get some exercise first police said the town
00:32:55
of Princeton they have haven't had a homicide in three decades we're talking about a smaller town Captain I believe
00:33:02
it's like 4,000 people live there MH um so yeah this is not a common occurrence for the Princeton police department now
00:33:12
who was Vanessa marot well she grew up in Leominster and attended the ban craftt
00:33:18
School in warer and then she graduated from Boston University in 2011 with honors uh she
00:33:25
was known for her love of running she spent her free time volunteering and helping others marcot was living in New
00:33:33
York City where she worked for Google as an account executive now the breakdown of how this last day went goes like this
00:33:43
around 1:15 p.m. Vanessa leaves her mother's house this is at 109 Brooks Station Road at 2:11 p.m. is the final
00:33:55
transmission from her cell phone she's not heard from police actually believe that her phone was either disabled or
00:34:04
turned off at this point so at 300 p.m. her mother Rosanna is going to report her missing this triggers a search that
00:34:12
expanded into neighboring towns and eventually the local police department there they brought in the state police
00:34:20
helicopter into the area as the hours dragged on and Vanessa was not found it it wasn't until 8:30 p.m. that Vanessa's
00:34:29
body is found just about A4 mile from her mother's home her feet and hands had been burned with gasoline all of her
00:34:39
clothes had been removed except for her sports bra one of her shoes was found at
00:34:44
the scene but the other shoe in her clothing including a baseball cap and her iPhone were not found right when
00:34:53
investigators searching with dogs found her body her nose was fractured and her throat was crushed evidence showed
00:35:01
Vanessa put up one hell of a fight against her attacker now regarding the initial
00:35:08
investigation on August 8th one day after she was killed investigators with the state police and with the warer
00:35:15
District Attorney's office they stated that they had recovered DNA evidence from the victim's body the district
00:35:23
attorney told the public we do not know if this is is a random act we are asking
00:35:29
residents to be careful to be very careful right now we have an active homicide investigation going on and you
00:35:36
can't be too careful now police did open up a 24-hour tip line specifically for this unsolved murder case yeah and the
00:35:45
tips really started coming rolling in eventually you know after several months had gone by they had received over 1,300
00:35:53
tips regarding this case now some of the more notable and helpful tips that came
00:35:58
in uh are as follows one according to to a local witness Vanessa stopped at a Mountainside Market on on harbon Road in
00:36:08
the afternoon to purchase a drink and this witness saw her leaving that market walking and talking on her cell phone
00:36:17
the best that the witness could provide is that this would have happened sometime after 100 p.m. on that day and
00:36:24
wasn't there another tip where some saw a vehicle possibly following her that day yeah someone had seen a person that
00:36:34
resembled Vanessa walking in the area that that was told that she was walking and they believed that they had seen a
00:36:42
vehicle that they thought to be following this person now there's not a whole lot of information with inside
00:36:50
this tip it sounds to me like it's something that was observed that was seen by a witness and not you know some
00:36:56
sometimes you see things and you just don't really pay attention to them because you're you're you're going along
00:37:01
about your ordinary business on an ordinary day oh I pay attention I we do a podcast every week
00:37:08
that tells me I need to pay attention you carry around a little uh stopad and just write down the events of the entire
00:37:15
day I have these Google Glasses that record everything now maybe the tip that would provide the most information came
00:37:22
from a Princeton resident by the name of Andrew squire he provides a tip that on
00:37:28
the day that Vanessa was murdered he had been driving on the road that she was believed to have been walking and
00:37:35
jogging on he told investigators that at around 1:45 p.m. on that same road he had saw a man standing next to a dark
00:37:45
Ford Escape that's a uh SUV okay when he passed the vehicle he noticed that the hood was up and a man
00:37:54
was standing next to the SUV the man was on a phone now Squire Andrew Squire believed that the man had been talking
00:38:02
to someone about getting help for his car it appeared to him that the vehicle had broke down possibly but we've seen
00:38:08
this ruse before yeah you know act like my car is broken and hey lady can you help me he then drives Andrew Squire
00:38:16
then drives past a second time this is a few minutes later right uh and the SUV is now closed and locked so Andrew must
00:38:26
have stopped to see if the vehicle was not locked according to his statement it's locked that's weird he stated that
00:38:32
no one is standing near the vehicle at this time and that the windows were so dark that he could not see inside the
00:38:39
vehicle right so he drives past the area where where marot's body uh is eventually found he sees this man
00:38:48
standing next to a dark Ford Escape the hood is up on the SUV and the man is on the phone appearing to talk to somebody
00:38:55
now one thing I I want to get into here a little bit Captain is I you know when we said that that he drove by a second
00:39:02
time this wasn't like he saw this and immediately thought it was suspicious so he turned around and he came back there
00:39:09
immediately to check on the situation no Andrew was going somewhere I believe he
00:39:14
was dropping uh either his family off or people he knew he was dropping them off
00:39:19
at church that day so he had drove them to the church from picking them up or from his home
00:39:27
and then drops them off at the church and then he returns going back the same route uh to return to wherever he'd come
00:39:34
from now the thing I want to point out here is the as far as what time that was we have this uh 145 time marker of the
00:39:42
time that he first saw the vehicle according to newspaper accounts it's all over the shop what time he saw the
00:39:48
vehicle to be locked and no man standing next to it so I don't even want to begin
00:39:53
to give a time for that but he drops these people off and he's traveling back through the area he must have thought
00:40:02
well you know what if this vehicle's still on the side of the road maybe I should see if this guy ever got a hold
00:40:07
of anybody to to to receive help right you know this is a smaller Community um I don't know that everybody would do
00:40:14
this in every Community but I can certainly see this going on in a strong in a smaller Community stopping to see
00:40:20
if the person had received any help this time the hood is closed on the truck it's locked up and he can't see into the
00:40:29
windows so he just goes about his business yeah but if your car breaks down and and maybe your cell phone dies
00:40:34
then you got to lock your car up and then go to a convenience store to make a call or whatever but okay so we have two
00:40:43
women that are attacked why running mhm we have under 200 mile distance yeah it's approximately 175 miles uh from
00:40:53
Howard Beach to the Princeton Massachusetts area and the strange thing here Captain is we
00:40:58
have two attacks that are so very similar we all we have victims that are so very similar in areas where you
00:41:07
wouldn't expect these type of attacks to go down and this is occurring just 5 days apart yeah from one another and it
00:41:15
makes you wonder because in the first case we go this possibly is a teenager this is possibly the per this is
00:41:22
possibly the suspect's first attack according to NYPD those are their words yes right did this person
00:41:30
drive you know uh 200 miles which would then also explain the car breaking down possibly is this person uh responsible
00:41:40
for both attacks well and the other strange thing that links these two uh crimes together as well is like like I
00:41:48
said the victims are so similar you have in Karina's case a 30-year-old uh woman from New York and
00:41:57
in Vanessa's case you have a 27-year-old woman from New York as well she's she's
00:42:02
in Massachusetts visiting her mother and her her extended family so we have a very similar victimology it's a very
00:42:09
strange situation and both of these cases really jumped in the spotlight at the time and think about it it's just
00:42:18
one less than a week apart the media immediately linked these cases together and these two victims will forever be
00:42:27
linked together because of the media putting these both in the spotlight now in the venessa case in Vanessa marot's
00:42:36
case we have something similar here as well because it's about 6 months later in February of
00:42:43
2017 the district attorney in that area released more information regarding a suspect an actual suspect in Vanessa's
00:42:51
murder and a profile was based off of DNA colle Ed where her body was found and based off of witness statements and
00:43:01
this is what they released to the public they believed Vanessa was most likely attacked at random by a stranger and
00:43:10
that the killer most likely lived in or frequented the area surrounding Princeton the Killer is a Hispanic or
00:43:18
Latino male in his late 20s to 30s with an athletic build average height in either short or shaved hair it is also
00:43:29
believed that the suspect either owned or had access to a dark colored SUV on the day of the murder would have had
00:43:37
visible injuries to his upper body in the days following the attack yeah it's just very eerie how similar they are
00:43:45
well the thing that jumps off the page to me here Captain is we're talking about 6 months later okay February of
00:43:53
2017 both these murders occurred early in August of 2016 and what I'm seeing here is a
00:44:01
concerted effort by both police departments to really take these cases on H very Hands-On because we're seeing
00:44:10
a lot of information coming out and being released to the public yeah and why because both of these cases they
00:44:16
have DNA evidence found on each of the victims this means guess what if you can get us and point us to the right guy
00:44:26
if we can get him to take that test or or or make him take that DNA test we got this dude we just need we need the
00:44:34
Public's help to come forward and point us in the right direction I find it very
00:44:39
interesting that um you know we're talking about two cases where you don't typically see the FBI come out and
00:44:48
release a profile yeah uh usually based on not not always based on a single attack or a single
00:44:56
case and in both instances we're getting a criminal profile of this individual now when I say individual there's a good
00:45:06
chance these these attacks are not linked other than through the media now what do we see in the first one we see
00:45:12
an FBI profile where they're specifically talking about an individual that that has some kind of Link he's
00:45:20
anchored to this park for some reason that's what the FBI believes and then you have the NYPD which I don't want to
00:45:28
get into this whole whole thing here but um it's it's interesting when you when you trace back criminal profiling and as
00:45:36
far as the you know the FBI being involved in this whole thing if you trace it back far enough you can
00:45:41
actually find that the Genesis of criminal profiling kind of started with the uh NYPD with a with an old case from
00:45:51
a long time ago so one thing that I'm curious about and we have a lot of New York listeners we have some uh officers
00:45:58
that are in the New York area if you guys know this let me know because one thing I've always been C curious about
00:46:04
with how big the police force is there if they actually do some criminal profiling themselves um because you have
00:46:12
the FBI information coming out about this suspect that's anchored to this park they believe that this person was
00:46:19
somebody that was in the park up to that actual murder and then poof he's not in
00:46:24
that Park anymore and then you have the New York Police Department stating that we believe that
00:46:31
sketch that we released is the secret this guy that was spotted in the area wearing a wool cap on a very hot day
00:46:38
this is the guy that we need to talk to we don't know if if he's the suspect for
00:46:42
certain we just know we need to speak with this guy and they're able to release this information they don't
00:46:49
always want to release profiles you investigators don't always want to release these things they they
00:46:55
don't want to show too much of their hand but in these cases where you have DNA and you only need to be pointed in
00:47:02
the right direction to get that guy right you have to keep this in the Public's attention you have to keep this
00:47:09
on the Public's mind and that requires releasing new information from time to time to keep the case in the spotlight
00:47:15
and provide tidbits of knowledge and Nuggets of information where people somebody somewhere goes aha aha I
00:47:25
remember something or I know somebody like that yeah and you see that in the situation with Vanessa marot's case as
00:47:33
well where we have we have even more information and the Curious Thing here is they're saying this information in
00:47:41
our profile is based off of DNA that was collected on her body and compiled with
00:47:47
witness statements remember we have Andrew Squire stating that he saw a man standing next to a dark colored SUV in
00:47:55
the criminal profile that they give they're saying that they believe that this man is a Hispanic or Latino male in
00:48:01
his late 20s to to 30s so we know that that Andrew Squire and maybe even others provided law enforcement with a physical
00:48:09
description of this man right they're not just pulling this out of the air they're also stating that this this
00:48:15
individual had access or owned a dark colored SUV which was described as right right like with Andrew Squire but with
00:48:23
the these cases possibly being connected they both have DNA so and the fact that
00:48:28
the media is connecting these cases they could do a DNA test to see if these DNA
00:48:33
even match correct and I'm curious to I'm curious if they did do that uh that's one thing that was never
00:48:40
mentioned in any report that I could find where we have the media linking these cases together we don't see that
00:48:49
from either Police Department we don't see that publicly but you're in law enforcement you don't have to show your
00:48:55
whole hand but this has to be an angle that you're looking at mhm especially if you're in Boston and you go well [ __ ]
00:49:01
this just happened you know uh 5 days ago yeah 170 some miles away yeah and so we have two young successful women both
00:49:12
murdered within the same week under similar circumstances we have um Karina vatrano murdered on August 2nd 2016 and
00:49:22
then Vanessa marott murdered just 5 days later on August 7th now one thing that was very obvious and very apparent from
00:49:30
the get-go and we talked about how close of a relationship that the vetranos had
00:49:37
with their daughter yeah and one thing that they were not going to do was let this case fall from the Public's eyes
00:49:46
they wanted to keep this her name in the news they wanted to keep her name and picture where everybody can see it to be
00:49:53
reminded of what had happened until we can get this thing solved it's the old John Walsh theory that if you can keep
00:50:01
the public reminded of this situation that's the only way to keep the tips and information coming in yeah and we have a
00:50:09
very powerful piece of audio here where we have Kathy vrono addressing the killer of her daughter yeah and she uses
00:50:18
um let's just say captain language so if you have kids in the car you probably want to not let them listen listen to
00:50:27
this I reiterate everything that my husband said 100 fold I thank Howard Beach beyond words every single one of
00:50:46
you and now look into my eyes everybody because I'm going to address the coward whoever you
00:51:04
are whether you're one whether you're 10 I'm going to just use singular but I'm here to remind you in
00:51:14
case you don't already know that now it's the whole entire world against you the whole entire
00:51:30
world knows what a pathetic puny weak piece of Filth piece of [ __ ] that you are the whole world knows that and
00:51:48
soon I know they're all going to know your face as well soon we're going to have a face to the
00:51:59
[ __ ] piece of garbage that you are and above and beyond you all you know that my daughter was a force to be
00:52:16
reckoned with and I guarantee you I guarantee you you [ __ ] that you will be Reckoning
00:52:27
with that force not only for the rest of your pathetic life but for the rest of Eternity as you
00:52:36
[ __ ] burn in hell I guarantee you that my daughter was a big believer of Karma and as you could see she's
00:52:51
magical the whole world knows she's magical and I guarantee you you will pay [Music]
00:53:09
forever good for them I love these parents yeah I wish they were my parents yeah they're very good people
00:53:18
and it it's easy to see why uh Karina was so close with her parents they were a big influence and a big part of her
00:53:25
life and we see that as well with our other victim Vanessa marot I mean she she lives in New York she's very
00:53:34
successful I mean that's a hell of a job to work at Google MH and she is she goes
00:53:40
goes home every other week to visit her mother and her extended family so we're talking about two very good people yeah
00:53:48
but I love this mom because she doesn't hold back she says you're weak you're coward and then you hear her dad in the
00:53:57
background he says piece of [ __ ] cuz that's what you are you're piece of [ __ ]
00:54:05
so I applaud her and him I think that's uh the right approach all right there's a lot more to get to in both cases in
00:54:12
the murder case of Karina vetrano as well as Vanessa marot and Captain you keep saying that there's
00:54:28
some kind of announcement to make um are you leaving the garage I'm leav I'm pregnant is what what happened uh I had
00:54:37
to had a little too much fun had too much uh Bourbon and now I'm pregnant no um some of the stuff we can't talk about
00:54:44
yet because it's not finalized but one of the things that we are working on trying to figure out how to do and we'll
00:54:50
be doing pretty soon is we'll be doing a 20 to 30 minute extra episode every week
00:54:57
um I don't know how this will be released yet uh calling it Loosely titled you know True Crime garage off
00:55:04
the Record there's a lot of conversations that me and you have about true crime documentaries about other
00:55:11
cases that we covered in the past that maybe there's a new update that we haven't been able to get to um because
00:55:17
it's really hard some sometimes people say hey there's some new information on the deli murders or or the Brian schaer
00:55:24
case or something right and sometimes that information is only 15 20 minutes worth of new information or less and and
00:55:34
unfortunately this here our regular weekly show is not really the platform to get that information out and back to
00:55:42
you uh we're very lucky lucky and thankful that we have listeners that stay active on some of these cases if
00:55:49
not all of them checking for news that's coming out checking for updates and then
00:55:54
a lot of times the listeners are providing us with those updates and and I I do want to make a clear announcement
00:56:00
I did not respond to all the emails but I must have had 40 or 50 people tell me that there's been an update in the boys
00:56:09
on the tracks case I if I didn't respond to your email I apologize but I got so many of them and I appreciate the update
00:56:17
um that's something that we'll discuss here on our blog and we've always used our blog as kind of a way to keep the
00:56:23
discussions going about the different cases and to provide some updates whether it be coming from the listeners
00:56:29
or from us ourselves so this if we're able to get this off the ground here Captain this will not only allow us the
00:56:38
opportunity to do and discuss some different things on a weekly basis but it will also provide us with a good
00:56:45
solid platform for where we can provide updates to cases that we have already covered yeah it's going to be a little
00:56:51
bit of a catchall really I mean cuz there's some sometimes that we're on the phone for 4 hours talking about cases
00:56:57
and maybe we'll be able to um you know record some of those clips and and re release those as well so that is part of
00:57:05
the big announcement there is more to come but I didn't want to keep teasing you you know right I don't want to I
00:57:11
don't want to be like that all right see you back here in the garage tomorrow until then everybody be good be kind and
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