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[music] [music] [music] You know, something was uh kind of bothering me the other day.
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>> Kind of sticking out like a sore thumb. You ever like have have you ever been talking about a
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case with somebody and then they bring up something that kind of hit you in a different light where you're like, "Oh
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[ __ ] never thought about that before." >> Something like in a good way. >> Yeah. And but also
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also in the way where you're like, "Oh, I'm stupid." >> Yeah. Why didn't I think of that?
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>> Well, it was so obvious. and and and and and maybe you'll have the same maybe
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you're as stupid as me. And so >> was this a case we covered? >> Uh well, Adon Sayed,
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>> right? We and we've talked about this case before, but I was going back and and watching the the HBO documentary and
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and and thinking about some different things, but uh somebody was telling me there's so much
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uh they're going through the section where they're going through Jay's rap sheet and that he had like 20ome over 20
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cases. Um but he was never charged with those. So you know that he might be arrested for
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assault and battery but never they never went through with it. Right. >> Um so it's still a part of his rap sheet
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but there was there was no charge there. And there was 20ome of them. And the the
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more that I was watching this and discussing this with this person, you know, they're going back and forth with,
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you know, that their stance from the beginning before watching the documentary, they've never seen it, was
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that Adnan was innocent. And that that was their gut feeling. And so going through all this stuff, uh you know,
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they would present, you know, that she was found by this guy in the park. And so this person's going, "Oh, maybe
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that's the person." And then they bring up, you know, Haye's current boyfriend at the time, Dawn. Oh, maybe it's that
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person. So, you can kind of see this, you know, watching this documentary with your friend and and seeing them go
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through uh the process of elimination really. But when they started getting to Jay and they started
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really like, you know, going, "Look at all these charges he had and look how shitty of an individual he had."
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And I I don't want to say it's shady, but it's it's interesting how there's there's two stories that you
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have to make happen at the same time. So the whole idea is that here's this really good kid, really good student
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that's put away. Who's he put away by? There's no evidence. It's just this shitty guy.
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And let's show you how shitty he was, right? Mhm. >> But the thing that happens the whole
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time, the as you're trying to make him shitty, you have to then wrestle with the fact, well, if this kid was so good,
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why was he friends with somebody so shitty? >> You see what I'm saying? >> Well, and I think that's that's the, you
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know, part of the story. And I think part of the story that's not being told because
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look, I I know that they were trying to be down the middle and really really just
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kind of let everybody form their own opinion, but in my mind to me, the serial uh season 1,
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it feels more like they're telling Adnan's side of the story a little more than any other side of the story. and
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and and definitely the HBO thing is doing the same thing. >> Well, and I >> so I think I think what we have here is,
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you know, Jay refers to himself as the criminal element of the high school. And I think what we have here, the part of
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the story that might be missing from the whole thing is that maybe Adnan was this
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great guy, this great student, this track, you know, he was on the track team, very involved in the school. uh
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he's going out with with a with a girl that is she's smart, she's involved in the school, she's a good kid. And
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I think the part that's missing is maybe Adnan was was becoming something else, was becoming a bad guy, was becoming a
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quote unquote gangster, you know, of of the of the school. And and I you know that's where I think we have part of the
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story that just might be missing or conveniently missing from from the whole story. But I've always felt and and
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until somebody shows me something else, I've I'm not going to say which side of the the fence I fall on because I think
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people are a little some people are very passionate about their feelings on this
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case. And I'm just not that passionate about the case itself. I but I've always felt that
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if Adnan did not do it. I'm not saying he did it, but if Adnan did not do it, then my opinion has always been then Jay
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had to be the one that that that killed >> Mhm. >> Hey Lee. So, um it's it's a it is a it's
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a really good mystery. I hate to say it that way because we're talking about somebody's life and uh if Adnan is
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innocent, we're talking about his life as well. >> Multiple people's life. Yeah.
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the whole families and everything. Um, but just as a uh as somebody on the outside looking in it, it's it's a
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really interesting mystery in that it's because as you said, Jay is the one that's
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providing all this information and there's something about Jay that's just not trustworthy.
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>> Well, right. And his story constantly changes. >> Even if you told me he was a good kid,
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you know what I mean? Like even if you wiped away all those arrests or whatever they were,
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>> there's something about him that doesn't feel right, that doesn't feel trustworthy.
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>> Yeah. And and the other thing I can't get over, which why rewatching this documentary is the fact
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that what was testified to was Jay testifies to get him picked up at his house. the person that picks him up
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testifies that she picked him up at the mall. And it just I can't get over the fact
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that you have this one person telling this story, you bring in the other person to kind of, you know, um, back
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that up, but their stories don't even line up. Even just where the stories where his story kind of ends and where
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her story begins, they don't line up. And that fascinates me that people could then
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look at this. No evidence, no physical evidence, no nothing really linking this other kid to the crime other than
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hearsay from a known liar. And even if you don't know that he's a liar, there's multiple stories that that the
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prosecution are are presenting that don't line up that because the stories didn't line up. so much that they just
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almost had to just go, "Well, look, some of the stories don't parts of the stories don't line up and we're not even
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going to worry about trying to tie up the loose ends, which is strange." But yeah, it's uh
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I I I wonder I think it's possible that somebody like Jay could have to throw somebody under the bus and
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he could create a story. And I think just his limited knowledge, if there's limited
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knowledge of him being friends with Adon, he could create enough of a story that you go, "Okay, that makes sense. He
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was upset that she's dating this new guy. He wants to get rid of her." Uh, I know that they used to make out in the
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in the Best Buy parking lot, so that's where I'll put it at. I but but I can't get over the fact that
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you have a girlfriend that you're supposed to meet up with. You never make any contact with her to
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let her know that you're not going to meet up with her. And you go to supposedly this other job. I'm talking
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about Dawn now. You supposedly go to fill in at this other location. You don't meet up with her. you don't
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make any contact with her. And then I believe she was supposed to work at Lones Crafters later that night, which
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he would have been on the schedule at that location. So they would have worked together, but he's supposedly working at
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this different location. So again, you make no contact with her to let her know you're not meeting up with her. You make
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no contact with her to let her know that you're working at a different location.
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You know what I mean? I have a really hard time getting over that fact that that um
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somebody in a boyfriend and girlfriend situation wouldn't make any contact um with their girlfriend the the day the
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girl goes missing. Yeah, I mean I I I get I get it. Um it it does seem suspicious to me. I've
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just never and never will be able to get over Jay has his story is that he had some
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involvement and for me it's hard for me to believe that he would choose to tell tell law enforcement that he had some
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involvement if he didn't. >> Right. >> And I that's why my the suspect pool for me is is quite small. It's it's a hot
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tub. It's a It's a It's a bathtub and there's two dudes in it and um that's it for me. Like I I can't believe that
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I even though I don't find him trustworthy or or I feel like there's something off there, I don't feel like
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he is dumb enough or was intimidated enough by law enforcement to implicate himself in something if he wasn't
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involved. And that's why I kind of stick to my guns on, you know, either he either he did it or things are just as
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he says it is that Adnan did it and he had some Jay had some um involvement in in the whole thing.
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>> Yeah. I like you said though too what what makes this case so interesting is even things like when they go well they
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haven't tested the DNA. So then you go, okay, so we need to test the DNA. But once you test the DNA and
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you realize that there's no connection between this evidence and Adnan, that does not erase the confession by
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Jay. You see what I mean? So that's that's where I think this case becomes a a very
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interesting mystery >> because normally look if the case was look we have this DNA evidence and blah
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blah blah blah and and on top of that was yeah we got some people kind of putting adnon at the scene no confession
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to be involved if that was the case and it came out later that the DNA evidence wasn't
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correct and by the way he's not connected to the the the crime based off DNA, it'd be open and shut. He'd be out.
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But the fact that you have that test, those tests they didn't do at the initial trial.
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So even though they they come back and say, "Well, he's not connected, that doesn't mean he's innocent either."
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So, and then just goes back to, well, we got this guy and he confessed and so therefore we keep the guy in jail. But
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we're not to the part four yet. But that's the other thing that I as I'm watching again.
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It's the idea of if he would have taken the deal that they were offering to him at the end, if that's correct,
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he would have pled, I believe, if Alfred plead or some kind of plea or he' plead guilty and he would
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get out in two or three years, which would be like now. He'd be out now. um that um
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I don't know. I don't know if that to me on some level that makes me lean towards
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innocent if somebody does not want to admit that they're guilty. You know what I mean?
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>> Yeah. No, I I I could see why. I know. I've certainly felt that way with uh the
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Jason Baldwin situation, which was very similar. He was the the one that was holding out on on saying that the West
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Memphis 3 killed those three boys. I I also see a situation too where he's he's maintained his innocence this
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entire time. Is this something that he is there something worse for him than prison?
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>> You know what I mean? Um and and it can be that way. It it it's tough to believe, but it can be that
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way. It could be, you know, I don't I'm not going to admit to this even though I
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did do it because I've told my family this whole time that I'm innocent. I'm not a murderer and
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and I don't care what reason they think that I'm taking this deal, >> right? >> I'm not going to admit to this because I
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don't want to admit to my family, maybe even to myself, that I am who they say I
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am, >> right? Um, you know, sometimes sometimes these people and and not not so much
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Adnan, not so much uh people that that have killed one person, but I see it more with like serials serial killers
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where some of them >> you have some that are that are eager to brag and boast about what they've done.
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They want credit for it. They they think that they're something special. And then
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there's others that that refuse to admit the monster that they are. and you have
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overwhelming evidence. You know, there there's there's no doubt in anybody's mind that
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this person did one or two or three or four of these these murders. And I mean, you'll see it even with like Ted Bundy.
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He was he was weird in a sense that he admitted to a lot of things that he did, but he very likely killed two children
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and he never admitted to either of those there. I mean, he's convicted of of one
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of those and he never admitted to those and and and a lot of people believe these are these are experts, you know,
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say that. >> Yeah. Ted would tell us a lot of stuff, but he was there was even things that
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that dude was ashamed of. >> Well, yeah, >> that he did. And he and he wouldn't he
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wouldn't admit to it just because. >> I mean, they have eyewitnesses that put Jeffrey Dmer uh in the Hollywood
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Hollywood Mall. Um >> Yeah. And that's that's the thought there too where you have Jeffrey Dmer
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who admits to just we thought everything >> and now you have all these witnesses
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that say, "Hey, I saw that dude Jeff Dmer in the in the mall and and then he then the kid goes missing. Then Adam
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Walsh goes missing, >> right? Yeah. They find him decapitated and they go, "Well, h no, I wasn't
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responsible for that." That's a story we we've we've talked about covering and I think we I think we should
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>> what >> cover that the the DMER Adam Walsh thing. >> Yeah, I think I mean I thought we talked
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about a little bit in the Adam Walsh episode. >> Yeah, a a little bit, but I think we
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just I think we just scratched the surface. >> I think we could probably do a pretty
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solid onepartter on it. >> Yeah. Um because what was also interesting about that was, you know,
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like Adam Walsh's father, like he was totally fine with them questioning Ted, but Adam Walsh's dad almost went back
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and forth like, well, maybe it was Ted, maybe it wasn't >> Jeff. Sorry, >> Jeffrey.
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>> Yeah, Jeffrey. Uh maybe it was uh Jeffrey Dmer, maybe it wasn't. Um he would kind of go back and forth. And
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then other times he would be like real adamant that Audis Tulle he was charged with the crimes, he was convicted of the
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crimes, he's the killer and and that's it. So it's weird that there was back and forth. But the other thing
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>> something happened and I don't recall what it was. There was something that happened in that case that made John
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Walsh flip because there were years where he was very vocal and against the local law
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enforcement >> saying, you know, these guys are stumbling bumbling idiots and they can't
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they couldn't solve anything. And and then he flipped at some point and said they did the best job that they could.
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My son's case is solved. I and I can't recall what it is. I think Otis Tulle did something. Either
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either John Walsh met with Otis Tulle or Otis Tulle sent him a letter. Something
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happened that made Walsh's feelings on that whole thing flip and and and say that look, they we know who did this,
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>> right? >> We we know who did this. So, and but see I also wonder like at what point does he flip and at what
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point does he decide that he's going to become a public figure and he's going to
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try to use this as leverage to create a career and and was there pa was there a PR firm involved saying hey you need to
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do this now you need to come out and >> well he was a victim advocate for years after his son was murdered and then he
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So he would go on like TV shows with with parents of children that were missing at the time and he was trying to
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set the record straight on what his experience was saying look if your kids missing it's your job you
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parent A and parent B it's your job to keep this case moving to keep the local law enforcement out of the doughnut
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shops as I believe he said to or out of the coffee shops is probably what he said. Um to keep your your son or
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daughter's case in the media spotlight. >> It's your job because if you don't do
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it, I can't guarantee that anybody else will. And that was his whole that was his whole thing. And and what happened
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was when he did that for his own son's case, he had to learn this on his own. And he did it for his own son's case.
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and he did a did a pretty damn good job of it from my opinion. And then he becomes this victim advocate and we have
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parents of missing children coming to him contacting him and saying please can you tell me what to do and can you get
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involved in my kid's case and so really really the the TV show gets offered to him
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because that's who he became through this horrible tragedy. >> Well, no, I understand that. But at at
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some point when that offer is presented to you, you have to then, you know, whether it's a manager or whatever, but
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it's you're making a conscious decision to that we're taking this to the next step, you know, and I'm not saying that
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that's a bad thing, you know what I mean? I'm not saying that like he's bad that he
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he wasn't piggybacking on his son son's death. >> No, no, no. And I I hope nobody would
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think of think of it that way because really what you have is a man who wanted other people to not have to experience
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what he experienced >> and he wanted to help people that were experiencing that. And because of that
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he was offered a position. He was offered this project and it's it's kind of like
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>> but you have to make the choice once you're offered that project that here we
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go. you know, this is a new thing and and there might be PR in uh involved and you know what I mean like
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>> well I get that >> your life is going to change and so >> what I don't know what that means though
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like he's just he's >> well what I'm saying is like that that's what I'd be interested to know he was
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offered this thing and then like you said there there kind of seems like a shift uh in the way he's presenting
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himself and what he's saying about law enforcement and all I'm saying is he could have had some coaching on that
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because because he's offered this show. It's a part of a brand. It's part of a network and they're going to say, "Hey,"
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they might say, "Hey, we want you to approach it this way." And there's also been other cases with missing kid cases
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or murder cases where um people do have, you know, some kind of PR for firm or some kind of advisor saying, "Hey, this
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is how we want to approach things from now on. This is how we want to not spin the story, but this is the the image
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that we're trying to convey to the uh public audience." >> Well, yeah. I mean, for the show itself,
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it it works better if he if it appears to everybody that he's on the same side as law enforcement. Um,
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no, I something something happened in it and I believe that it was some interaction between him and Otis Tool is
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what what flipped it. Now, as one thing that I do find weird is as as um you know, with with him saying before
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that that the the local cops are nothing but Keystone cops and um that one one of the detectives
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worked on his show eventually. I don't know if it was from the from the start or or for the entirety of the show, but
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he one of the detectives that worked his son's case actually worked on the show for, you know, Fox or whoever. I think
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it was Fox that did the show. >> Um, but Wal Walsh's story and one thing we we failed to report. Look, we we were
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new when we did Jeffrey Dmer. That's like episode like four or five or something, right? Um,
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and we were only doing single episodes back then. Did we do two episodes on Dmer?
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>> Just one. >> Just one. The And well, and then we did Adam Walsh's case later,
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but one thing that we failed to to report on Adam Walsh's case, which again, we only did one one episode on
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that. There was there was a bunch of weird [ __ ] going on at the Walsh home. And actually, local law enforcement in
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the beginning believed that either his Adam's mom or this other guy could have could have kidnapped or
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killed Adam. >> Mhm. >> Because apparently his his wife was having an affair with
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this guy that was like a a friend of the family. like he was he was not just friends with with uh Rey Walsh, he was
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friends with John, too. I think it was actually one of John's old buddies, >> right?
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>> You know that you know how like in a marriage you kind of bring your own friends to the to the girlfriend
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boyfriend relationship or whatever relationship it is. You bring your group of friends, he or she brings their group
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of friends and then later you've known these people for 10, 20 years or whatever. I think this was one of John's
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old buddies that became friends and they they were doing something behind John's
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back and police the investigation into where Adam was uncovered this relationship.
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I question I actually think John may have known you know that they might have been on the outs already.
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>> Right. >> But >> but they stayed together for quite a bit after that though. Right.
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>> Right. But the the investigators, their thought at the time was, "Okay, here's
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this dude. He he and Rey want to have a relationship, but the dude doesn't want any kids or doesn't want her bringing a
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kid from her first marriage to this new relationship." And that was the angle that they were working
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>> at the time. >> I think look, I can certainly understand his frustration. you want uh you want
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them to be looking for the the right person and uh looking for your son. Uh one thing where I think that they didn't
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get credit for is that seems like a somewhat plausible theory to be working and we know the stats on on children
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being killed by their parents or by somebody close to them >> Mhm. >> is much higher than being killed by a
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abducted and killed by a stranger. So where where I think you got to give some credit is they moved off of that theory
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at some point. So if they were Keystone cops or stumbling bumbling idiots, they would have stuck to that theory as we've
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seen as as we've seen bad cops do uh in other cases where they they get locked onto a theory and they just stick to it.
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>> Well, right. Take the Adnan Sad case. I mean, I think that's very um descriptive of what happened. You know,
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we're look, not that they're not looking into other things, but I mean, they even
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said so in the documentary, we're looking for 51%. >> We're looking for 51% to charge the
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person. We don't have to get a conviction. We just have to charge the person. That's the cop's job. Okay.
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Well, but my argument there would be that you can get to 51% pretty easily. Um, so the other thing and just back to
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this ad nonad case for a second is um I think the I think the other thing that makes this
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case such a mystery is like you were just saying with Adam Walsh case. Well, you have this scenario where you got
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these two people. They're having an affair. They want to start a life together. So, we're not going to say it's that far
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of a leap for this guy to go, "Hey, I want to start a life with this person, but I don't want kids, so therefore, I'm
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going to kill this person's kid." >> Mhm. >> That's a pretty big leap. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean?
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>> Yeah. But now I understand that Adnan and Hmon Lee weren't weren't dating for
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just a little bit of time and now she has a new boyfriend and all this stuff and yes that this Adon seems cool with
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it but it's high school. How many people like some of the insane [ __ ] that happens when you're in high school? And
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maybe not maybe insane's not the right word, but but for example, you it wouldn't be uncommon for your friend to
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start dating somebody within a couple weeks he's saying I love you to the girl. And how many times did that happen that
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nobody spoke up to their friend and went, "Hey, man. You you only known her for 2 weeks. Maybe you shouldn't be
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saying I love you." >> I mean, you wouldn't say that to your friend because it's high school and yes,
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he's going to say that he loves this girl. Then they're going to break up. He's going to start dating somebody
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else. And a week later, he's going to be telling her he loves her. So I think there you what makes it more
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of a mystery is the weird and erratic behavior of high school kids makes it seem more plausible.
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Yes, they broke up and they seem cool, but could something happened that triggered this kid
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to want to get rid of his ex? And I used to not think that that was much of a possibility. But then I
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started thinking, but let's just say Adnan didn't kill Haye and Adnan committed suicide, right?
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I wouldn't think like if somebody told me that story, oh well, these people were going out. They went out for a
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while. They couldn't like be a official couple, so they had to break up. She starts seeing a guy that she's works
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with, right? >> Mhm. >> And couple weeks pass, he seems okay, right? He seems like everything's fine,
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but they found him dead the other day. If somebody told me that story, I wouldn't think of that as that.
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It sounds logical, right? And at least in my PE brain, it sounds logical. And it's also the idea of well,
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but there was no evidence that he was depressed. My argument would be, well, he was
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hiding it obviously, right? >> And then therefore, since he was hiding it, he he was obviously depressed. He
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was obviously shaken up by this. And maybe it wasn't something that he thought about for weeks. It just
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happened the day of. So if I think that has somewhat logical sense to it, then I
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think the reverse happens as well. Where could Adnan be been fine with this and showing a good face for everybody? Yes.
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Is there something that could have happened to make him snap that day or could this be something that he was
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festering for a couple weeks? It's very possible. It's It's more logical than I think people
00:31:57
uh give it credit for. >> Well, and again, that's we're we're we're getting this whole story. And when I say
00:32:05
whole story, we're getting it through through choice lenses, through we're getting parts of the story. And and
00:32:13
that's going to be how all true crime stuff is. And let's all hope and pray that we never have to live any of this
00:32:20
this [ __ ] because nobody should have to. But on the outside looking in, most of
00:32:26
the time you're only going to get a portion of the story. And one part that we're missing here is
00:32:34
large portions of the of the initial trial where where I'm sure that they're probably saying, look, part of our
00:32:41
theory is that this might have been impulsive. We're talking about, you know, two
00:32:47
teenagers, >> right? >> The victim's a teenager. The murderer, we believe, is a teenager. And it
00:32:54
doesn't have to be some master plan that this guy tried to to hide his hatred for
00:33:01
her for weeks before he he kills her. Maybe he just maybe there's some kind of face-to-face interaction and he lost his
00:33:08
[ __ ] >> and he choked her. And look, I mean, the younger we are, the more impulsive things we do. And I think
00:33:18
that's pretty pretty straightforward and across the board. Um, and so I think that that's part of it. And and that's
00:33:27
the other thing, too. That's part of that theory. Then you can extend that out and go, "Well, that's also why he
00:33:33
didn't get away with it because it was impulsive and and had somebody taken the time and put intelligence and put
00:33:42
thoughts to this, they may have got away with it because they would have covered
00:33:47
their tracks a little better. They would have done this or that or the other thing." And [snorts]
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um so I think that that's part of of the idea behind that as well. >> Yeah. So, what did we learn this week?
00:33:59
We we learned one um that we should cover the Adam Walsh and and Jeffrey Dmer angle. Do a do a one-part series on
00:34:10
that or one part episode on that. That's what we learned. And then what did we learn about the Adon Siad case?
00:34:17
>> Nothing. >> Nothing. >> [ __ ] nothing. >> Nothing. >> Hey, I do want to give a shout out. Um
00:34:23
>> we learned nothing. I want to give a shout out to longtime friend of the show. This is from yesterday's Columbus
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Dispatch. For people not in the area, that's our local big newspaper here. >> Mhm.
00:34:36
>> Uh this was in Sunday's paper. Front page of the Metro and State section. We have a beautiful color
00:34:44
picture of our good friend Andrew Hall, who is a program director at the Ohio History Center. He is the gentleman that
00:34:52
has been in charge of uh recruiting true crime garage to attend the crime and corruption event two years in a row. You
00:35:00
know, it's only that crime and corruption event's only two years old and we've been a part of it both years.
00:35:07
He is on the front page of the metro and state of yesterday's paper for um I guess they had a soldout event recently
00:35:16
about bad med well it's called just bad medicine is the name of the article um but they had some kind of event where
00:35:24
they showed patent medicine from the 19th century and what patent medicine is is back in the day before we had like
00:35:32
the food and drug administration people would come up with these these cures that they would sell over the
00:35:39
counter and they were they a lot of them just contained high amounts of alcohol.
00:35:45
Like so you if you had some ailment you wouldn't go to the doctor. You would take this thing that you would buy over
00:35:51
the counter and really you're just dousing yourself with alcohol. Um but they had a had a neat little event. I
00:35:59
didn't go to it but uh it was neat to see our friend's uh picture right there on the front of the paper. So, I wanted
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to throw an adab boy his way. Uh, regarding that [music] [music]