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foreign [Applause] [Music] they still have not interviewed the parents [Music] anybody
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[Music] my life has been held from that day of birth and I want nothing more than to
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find out who was responsible for this Mr Ramsey listen carefully we are a group of individuals that
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represent a small foreign faction we respect your business but not the country that it serves
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at this time we have your daughter in our possession She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997 you must
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follow our instructions to the letter [Music] you will withdraw 118 000 from your account
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one hundred thousand dollars will be in one hundred dollar bills and the remaining eighteen thousand and
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twenty dollar bills make sure that you bring in adequate size attache to the bank
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when you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag I will call you between 8 and 10 a.m
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tomorrow to instruct you on delivery [Music] the delivery will be exhausting so I
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advise you to be rested if we monitor you getting the money early we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery
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of the money and hence an earlier pickup of your daughter any deviation of my instructions will
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result in the immediate execution of your daughter you will also be denied her remains for
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proper burial the two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so
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I advise you to not provoke them speaking to anyone about your situation such as police FBI
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Etc will result in your daughter being beheaded if we catch you talking to a stray dog
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she dies if you alert Bank Authorities she dies if the money is in any way marked or
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tampered with she dies you will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found she dies
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you can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures
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and tactics you stand a 99 chance of killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us
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follow our instructions and you stand a 100 percent chance of getting her back you and your family are under constant
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scrutiny as well as the authorities don't try to grow a brain John you're not the only fat cat around so don't
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think that killing will be difficult don't underestimate us John use that good Southern common sense of yours
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it is up to you now John Victory s b t c [Music] okay most people use the phrase Ransom
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note I'm going to call this a ransom letter because as you just heard it is long most Ransom notes are short we have
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your daughter we want five hundred thousand dollars do not involve the police we will contact you this Ransom
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letter is two and a half pages long written on your standard run-of-the-mill eight and a half by eleven and three
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quarters inch paper now what you're going to hear is the captain and I tear through this Ransom
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letter you're going to get our opinions on different pieces of this letter as well as the instructions given to John
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Ramsey on how to get his daughter back our opinions are going to be a combination of our personal opinions
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plus information that we've collected from other sources along the way who have scrutinized this same Ransom letter
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I'll start us off Captain with this up at the top of the letter at the beginning of the letter yeah there is
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this great website out there that's called statement analysis.com okay so some of our thoughts are some of the
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things that we mention here will include their thoughts as well they are a great
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website because they analyze these types of Ransom letters as well as 9-1-1 calls
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and they have experience doing this you and I well we got a little bit of experience ourselves doing this as we've
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been doing it now for several years but statement analysis.com they State as well as a couple of the
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books that I've read on this case the first line that they kind of question is the we are a group of individuals and
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they point to this because a lot of people says this letter as a whole just doesn't make sense right and one thing
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that I want to keep in mind here and we kind of you know did a little running around in our discussion last week about
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this case but I think what's very important in the JonBenet Ramsey case to keep in mind
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when you're looking at each one of these items as we are going to do I think you need to stay fluid and you
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need to stay in the moment of what's going on with the case you know we were talking about the police showing up and
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how they didn't secure the scene and uh you know people would point out well they don't even know if it is a crime if
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a crime took place right why should they secure it again I believe that you want
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to stay fluid in that moment when you show up you have indicators pointing toward a kidnapping for ransom and so
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therefore it is a crime scene so obviously we do know some things that are going to come to light
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we can look at those as much as we want but in the moment keep him keep in mind in the moment stay fluid as we go
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through this statement analysis.com as well as several other sources again points out that the letter as a whole
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does not make sense and they specifically reference the line of we are a group of individuals pointing out
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what exactly does that mean what does the writer of this letter mean right because every group is comprised of
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individuals I think it's a lie we are a group of individuals you would just say we are a group that's true the other
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thing too that John Douglas would point out in his experience with Ransom letters is that often the
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the kidnapper is the authority in the situation they're the ones that are going to call the shots they're the ones
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demanding The Ransom you're going to do this or that or this or that's going to happen or not going to happen yeah and
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he points out in his experience that often a you want to perceive a larger threat
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than what is actually going on because you as the kidnapper really only knows what everything that's going on the
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victims don't know everything that's going on they only know what you choose to tell them in your letter right so
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John Douglas would point out hey we are a group of individuals we are a group if it was in fact just one
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person that kidnapped and and wrote this letter then that makes sense to him because
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they would want to present themselves as a larger than life a larger threat they're bigger they're scarier it's not
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just one person it's a group right and that evidence is followed back uh we represent uh small foreign faction I
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think just that term is to back up the idea of a group of individuals the small foreign faction makes it seem like
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something bigger and then when you get to we respect your business but not the we respect your
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business but not the country that it serves yeah again I think that's to back up the small foreign faction
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uh this sounds very movie like to me yeah my thoughts here they represent a small foreign faction the use of the
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word small doesn't make sense to most because now it's it's the opposite where you say we are a group
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you're trying to make yourself seem bigger the threat seem more real bigger now small is taking that down a notch
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foreign faction sounds scary sounds scary to me but it's weird just those words together the
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use of the word foreign sounds odd even if they would be foreigners to us they likely wouldn't call themselves
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foreigners they would say something like we are the Islamic Jihad right they wouldn't call themselves a small foreign
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faction I think it was serial uh Cyril wax book where he States even a small foreign
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faction would not call themselves a small foreign faction it's just a weird weird statement yeah but I think right
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away it's it's establishing the mindset you know this individual thinks that they're going to outsmart people with
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this nonsense um I think the biggest thing in the letter to point to that it's not a group of
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individuals is when he changes the narrative and I'm going to say he but when he says I will call you
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I will call you between 8 and 10 a.m now I'm jumping some lines there but I think
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that goes back to a group of individuals the we turns to I correct and to me that's proof that there was never a we
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that's like a Freudian slip right yeah that's that's interesting because at first analysis for me what my thought
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was if he's saying and I agree with you will continue to say he if he is saying we are a group
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oh and these men have your daughter right you follow my instructions maybe he's the leader of this group maybe he's
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the brains The Mastermind behind this whole operation and he's the one that's going to be giving the instructions what
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makes that not work that theory not work is as you just pointed out that it starts with we and it ends with I so it
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does change along the way yeah and I think some people would argue well because he's not with other two
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individuals so that's maybe why he changes to I will call you because they're going to be with your daughter
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but that's too much information it's almost like stating like once he goes to I again if there's a group well they're
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with your daughter they'll be monitoring you I'm not going to be with your daughter hmm the very strange but I
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think also we can start by looking at this note and I think it's pretty clear to most people that it
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starts off a little sloppier and gets nicer as we go with the handwriting yeah the penmanship yeah not
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a lot nicer but a little bit nicer and I wonder um okay so there's so much to get into
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one where did this individual write the note we we do know that the the paper this came from a pad inside the Ramsey's
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home that's right there was a pin that was found in their home that they believe was the PIN for the note
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so this could go multiple ways did the person possibly steal the pad write the note
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and then bring it back my issue with that idea would be well yeah you wrote the note but why would
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you bring back the pad it doesn't make sense to me but the note seems creased which to me
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why would you crease a note if you're writing it in the kitchen or where that pad would be and then
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you're just transferring it over to the steps why crease it at all the crease is very weird to me as well
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and I'm with you that I've never thought of the idea of somebody writing the letter elsewhere
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and then returning it to the scene not that that's impossible anything in this case in particular
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anything seems to be possible the crease is odd because wouldn't your objective your goal as the kidnapper who
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once a ransom now there's people out there going well we you know we know this and we know that again I'm staying
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fluid in the moment and analyzing this particular item this is evidence as it is in the moment if we are to believe
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the ransom letter the goal of the the author of this letter would be for the parents of this
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girl to find the letter as soon as possible why we know that because of instruction given in the letter do not
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contact the authorities if they discover their daughter missing before they find this letter they could
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very well screw up that whole instruction by not knowing any better and calling the
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authorities our daughter is missing right we haven't found the letter yet why crease it Patsy Ramsey says she
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finds it on the spiral staircase and it's three pages and it's laid out side by side so we know that at some point
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the letter was not to be concealed it was to be obvious it was to be found by the parents and for the sake of not
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contacting the authorities well I'll tell you what why don't we try to start at the at the top of the letter and just
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work our way through and try to hit each thing along the way I think it'd be easier for us all to play along at home
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the letter starts off addressed to Mr Ramsey not to John Ramsey not to John and Patsy not to the parents but to
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straight up Mr Ramsey which I find to be interesting for several different reasons it's a choice that the author is
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making it's a choice to only address address this to Mr Ramsey a lot of these Ransom notes
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that we've seen in the past they don't even need to address it to anyone the line that we have your daughter
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clarifies exactly who the letter was intended for right so it was a choice to address it to Mr Ramsey now one thing
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that a lot of the TV shows and documentaries point out in this case the next line is listen carefully and they
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all point to that being weird because this is a letter it's not a speech it's not somebody shouting threats at
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somebody or calling on the phone this is a letter you're reading the words the words say listen carefully you don't
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listen you're reading I get it that's never seemed weird to me I I've always taken that as just like I'm the
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authority listen carefully here we go yeah I think it's a little strange it almost sounds like something you'd say
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on the phone calling them listen carefully I have your daughter yeah but I also think is it that big of a deal
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probably not but also I wonder if of that points in any direction on where they got this possible idea to connect a
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girl in the first place all right then we have the letter we respect your business
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okay we have your daughter we want a hundred and eighteen thousand dollars or she dies but oh by the way Mr Ramsey
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here's a mild compliment we respect your business right shows that they almost care about Mr Ramsey at some on some
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level and some people have pointed out that if Patsy Ramsey was the author of The Ransom letter that she may have
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chose to mention this to create some kind of distance between John's company and the investigation right
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regardless the writer is aware of John Ramsey's business per the letter and that he is successful right if the
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writer is interested in a ransom they are targeting what many believe to be a weird amount of money 118
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000 in cash at the ready according to Steve Thomas's book JonBenet inside the Ramsay murder
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investigation from a leading detective on the case the author wrote we d o letters d o with the d o crossed
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out we we do respect your business detective Thomas takes that to mean either we do
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respect your business or the author was starting to write out we don't respect your business but then change their mind
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mid-sentence this this you really have to question as it goes to motive right because
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at this moment in the investigation looking at this letter this is supposed to be laying out the motive for what is
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going on here and it would point out that the author is if Thomas is right that they were
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starting to write don't we don't respect your business right that the author is undecided if they respect Ramsay's
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business up into the point of writing that sentence if it is an intruder who wrote the letter
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it's just weird you broke into this man's home and according to the letter to kidnap a small child and threaten the
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parents with the beheading of the child yet you're undecided on how you feel about John's business
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yeah but I also think to me this point says somebody copying a letter uh my gut feeling says that this letter
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was composed somewhere else and they thought to be I'm going to be real smart about this
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and get away with it so therefore I'm going to write the letter inside the house I'll use a pin from inside the
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house I use a paper from inside the house I wouldn't bring the layer that I wrote with me and it might have stated
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we do respect your your business but then messed up and then realized well you can just put we respect your
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business that works too but there's obviously there's an edit there but I but I I believe the person is reading
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off their letter and maybe there's not a lot of light in the house and so again I also think one of the reasons
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why it's sloppier in the beginning a lot of people when they start writing it's a little sloppier
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but I also think it's sloppier because this individual is now wearing gloves right so I think you know gloves and
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could be very nervous right and maybe the nerves are easing up as they continue to write I I kind of am
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with uh Steve Thomas here on his thoughts about believing that the writer was intending to write the word don't we
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we don't or we do not respect your business because we do respect your business or we
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respect your business is the same sentence and it's not necessary to cross out do in that in that moment so that seems
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weird now the writer goes on to say we respect your business but not the country that it serves so
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are we to believe that JonBenet was kidnapped and then murdered because someone has a hatred for the United
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States most people would agree this crime is not an international incident so it's just weird to put that in there
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that to play that toward motive we you know maybe there's many factors based into
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why you are going to leave this letter but to include we you know the the we don't respect the
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country that it serves that your business serves it just seems a very strange thing I think this is pointing
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out to what you say it's not a group it's not a small foreign faction but if we mention some distaste or hatred for the
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United States in that same letter it it's there to it's purposely put there to confirm that we are a foreign entity
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right right again I think it's as simple as I'm going to throw some of these things in to try to throw you off the
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scent of who I really am but I think the fact that they sit there and say well we respect your business
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that's a they made that choice therefore they're showing some kind of concern for
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Mr Ramsey later on they show some concern for him when they say uh you know be rested uh because though the
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delivery will be exhausting I advise you to be rested you would not put that if you didn't care about the person on some
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level this is another example of people who say well this shows that Patsy could
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have wrote the note because she the writer keeps showing affection almost for John on some level
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Captain I respect your talent but not the garage that it serves all right deal with that
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well get out of my garage well as you pointed out the writer misspells two very common words uh one of them being
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business and the other possession however the writer then correctly spells the words deviation and attache even
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including the accent on the word attache many believe that the writer purposely misspelled those two words to try to
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make it look like an uneducated person or again a foreign person wrote this note yeah and a lot of people point that
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to be Patsy Ramsey and the idea that okay we're sitting down to write this note we're trying to disguise our
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handwriting so we make it a little more sloppy at the beginning that's hard to keep up over two and a
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half pages so that's why the sloppiness goes away but also at first when oh let me misspell a couple things
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to throw them off the set and then they kind of forgot about that because I don't think there's another misspelling
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for the next page and a half I guess as you point out Captain both of the misspellings occur when there is a
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double s double letter s situation I think maybe this could be a tell almost like a signature or fingerprint
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if in fact this was not made up right I want everyone to just stop and think for
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a minute do you have a couple of words that for whatever reason your brain just seems to Jumble up the letters
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in those words or or screw up the spelling of those words regardless of how often or however many times you look
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the word up have it auto corrected or ask somebody for the spelling Captain did you think of any
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words that that you have trouble with fees Pony hip-hop hip-hop Anonymous damn you you give him
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all the easy ones oh the whole English language is very difficult for me to spell anything correct I wonder again
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like you said is it a tell or is it on purpose not on purpose to spell it wrong but is the author trying
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to give us a hint of who it is uh by making these mistakes so the reason why I say that it could be
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a signature or almost like a fingerprint for the author of the letter would be is if this person always
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misspells these two words right and that somebody would be aware of that like for
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me I know that vacuum and convenient those two words I'm like I'm never going to spell
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them correctly the W for years always screwed me up I think I've straight actually I take that back I think I've
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straightened out my vacuum situation but for whatever reason convenient is the most inconvenient word for me because I
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always want to put the i in a weird spot I I will never get it right but anybody that I have
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corresponded with many times may know that that I always have trouble with that word and then
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they could think of oh Nick the extra crispy Colonel wrote this Ransom letter because he jumbled up the eye and
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convenient yeah I don't know why you'd put vacuum in a ransom note but it's your Ransom note so it's your party yeah
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I do it I didn't write a ransom note I just asked everybody to think of some letter some words that that they always
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have trouble with well I want to just mention that we have commas in here so we have
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some kind of knowledge of writing and we also have the big one to me is your right
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a lot of people get that wrong there's different yours right yeah off the top of my head I think all the
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yours are correct yeah I didn't look at that so I'm guessing that they are and I know a lot
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of people are probably sitting there going everybody gets those right nope nope that's like the one of the number
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one pet peeves I have on Facebook is when people get their yours wrong so I worked in a small office years ago a
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small foreign faction office yeah and I remember there was a conversation that needed to be had if that's even correct
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grammar probably not but there was a conversation that took place in a meeting where they addressed the
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office as a whole probably not to embarrass one or two people in particular but that was the the exact conversation
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that they had to pass down that needed to trickle down to some of the employees you're yours are always wrong in in your
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business letters and your emails and this that and the other thing and it's a reflection of this company that you
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don't know how to you don't know proper grammar right it's like when it's there and there
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all those like weather and weather those drive me nuts when people get them wrong
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well join us after the beer break when we discuss math [Music] [Music] all right we are back
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cheers me make these uh cheers to you Captain as I raise a glass of Christmas bomb 2019 by the awesome Folks at
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Prairie Artisan ales this is an imperial style 13 ABV garage grade four out of five bottle caps
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cheers to everyone as we continue on to the next portion of our Ransom letter it states at this time we have your
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daughter in our possession She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997 you must follow our instructions to
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the letter so the writer tells us we have your daughter in our possession most people would agree
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the shortest way to say something is the best way to State it especially in a ransom letter
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a true kidnapper would have said we have your daughter the words in our possession are simply understood and
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unnecessary and really just in those couple of lines there seems to be several extra and unnecessary words
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next you will withdraw 118 000 from your account one hundred thousand dollars will be in one hundred
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dollar bills and the remaining eighteen thousand and twenty dollar bills make sure that you bring an adequate size
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attache to the bank the amount of one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars this all things
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considered is a relatively small amount of money based off of the Ramsay's wealth or
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perceived wealth and John Ramsey's company is doing very well they just did a billion in annual sales this was made
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public we discussed the news articles that came out regarding this John's net worth in 1996 was in the
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Millions and wouldn't you agree a nice round number would be more typical than 118
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000 so there should be a reason why the writer chose one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars
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and even John Ramsey agrees that that number 118 is could be significant to the Killer Yeah couple things here one
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if we believe the writer on what they're stating I'm calling you we have two people that
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have your daughter so we at least have three individuals so now you have to split that three ways
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so I thought we think it was one person no but what I'm saying is if we believe the oh the letter yeah where it says the
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two men watching over your daughter yeah three people we're a minimum three that makes the amount even lower
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everybody's going to get roughly about 40 Grand what's that going to do for you right it
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it's not worth the risk of of the amount of prison time that you're signing yourself up for if you
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get caught right so not a large amount but that again goes back to the idea that we're probably dealing with one
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individual and not two or again somebody that is falsifying a ransom note to cover up a
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murder and one thing that's been pointed out many many times over the years in fact it was pointed out very early on in
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the investigation and the Public's uh investigation into the Ramses let's say was that the amount may have been
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significant because John Ramsey's Christmas bonus or annual bonus for 1996 was right around the same dollar amount
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yeah there was actually two things one his same dollar amount roughly for the bonus and I wonder
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if this is also kind of a tip of the hat to why I'm asking for this amount because I know you got it as a bonus
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so therefore it will be easy for you to give to me I know it's available possibly I also think it leads people to
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believe that whoever wrote this note if it's not covering up an inside job that it's it's basically stating I know your
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bonus you know me right but I also think that is kind of smart I'm going to make it seem like where
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this big organization well actually a small foreign faction but we're a group of people group of individuals and if
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you just do what we say and give us this amount that we know is pretty small to you this will be done and over with and
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I almost think that they picked this amount because they knew it would be available
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and that possibly because of John's wealth that they'll just go get the money and
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not contact the authorities right and the interesting thing here too is we have Steve Thomas who points out that
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look that amount could be important because it could be indicative of his annual bonus that he received that year
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like you pointed out if somebody else knows that if somebody that that wants to stand to
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gain some money from this whole situation they know that that money could be readily available rather quickly
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that this is this is money that this dude can actually get his hands on we all see people drive fancy cars live in
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big fancy mansions that doesn't necessarily mean that they can get a hold of any cash they might be up to
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debt in the UP UP to debt to their eyeballs and have no real cash no real liquid money or whatever to pay such a
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ransom stinky Hard Cash and then you have to think about the banking system 118 000 for somebody that's a
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multi-millionaire they can go in there and get that money and one transaction right if you make the amount too high
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half a million or a mill million that's going to take some time again the more time that this person has to process
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this the more likely they are going to go well uh we have to contact authorities
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and so again it becomes this thing where it's like is this a smart amount because they're just going to try to get
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look I don't think the money is the main purpose for any of this right but but staying fluid in the situation right we
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discuss it but this is some evidence that points to that possibly Patsy Ramsey writes the note or John Ramsey or
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together they constructed this letter yeah again yeah and I think if they wrote this note together that would make
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some sense also would make some sense on why we have some Scratch Out marks right
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oh no don't do that I mean let's just get into the handwriting analysis John they kind of ruled out as being the the
00:35:41
author of it that doesn't mean he didn't help her write it but it seems like it's handwriting
00:35:48
samples don't match at all like on a scale to one to ten he's a zero but as far as Patsy Ramsey goes she's on
00:35:55
the lowest scale of matching handwriting samples she's on a very low spectrum of that on
00:36:05
like a one to ten she's a like a maybe a two but cannot be cleared cannot be cleared cannot be ruled out and what's
00:36:12
weird about her too is it seems like there's some speculation that she actually can write with both hands
00:36:19
ambidextrous yeah so it's like um that's that's a word I want to put into a ransom note I can drink beer with both
00:36:26
hands right very talented individual so here's what's weird about the amount to me is this is just like everything else
00:36:35
and I don't know if we mentioned this last week Captain but I know we've talked about this in our personal
00:36:41
conversations our personal talks about the JonBenet Ramsey case is that even the sources you go to to
00:36:48
try to find the truth to try to sift through all the [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] and just get to the truth
00:36:54
started [ __ ] and the real hardcore evidence the problem with that all even the
00:37:00
sources even the good ones even people that you and I agree that we respect they all seem to have an ax to grind
00:37:07
they and so you don't know if you're getting the 100 honest to God's truth so the public
00:37:15
perception for a long time was that well it had to be John Ramsey or Patsy Ramsey
00:37:20
that wrote the letter that wrote The Ransom letter because they would be the only ones that would come up with this
00:37:26
random amount of 118 000 they would be aware of that because that amount was on their brains because
00:37:34
of the bonus that he had recently received then you have the others the Ramsay supporters that will say
00:37:42
no you would have anybody there could be several people at his company that would
00:37:47
be aware of that amount there could be people at his bank that would be aware of that amount right and the Ramses were
00:37:53
not particularly neat Freaks and they've had a lot of guests they they always are having
00:37:59
guests over to their home there are people that could have worked at their home or could have been there as a guest
00:38:05
and could have seen this information lying about somewhere in the Ramsay home and came up with that amount so wow
00:38:12
there's a strong argument for either in my opinion yeah and I also questioned how braggadocious uh Patsy Ramsey was
00:38:20
and is it possible that she was telling people at the Christmas party oh well drink up you know because John got a big
00:38:27
bonus or whatever I I think that's a possibility as well and there was a lot of people in and out
00:38:34
of that house like you said and and all it would take would be somebody telling somebody that told somebody that told
00:38:40
somebody but this also amount goes to and I don't want to overlook this too much
00:38:46
uh Mr Merrick I believe his name is there was a guy that was fired Jeff Merrick yeah a guy that eventually you
00:38:55
know John Ramsey said hey this is somebody that we should look into he's making threats and basically his pay was
00:39:02
the argument that they had was you know around this dollar amount so he was looked into because of these threats and
00:39:11
because John could also prove that this dollar amount was pretty much what they were arguing over so he was looked into
00:39:18
and his wife was looked into now on the high end of the spectrum I think we talked about them before
00:39:24
Merriman Mr Merriman which he was I think tested say I think Patsy Ramsey wrote the note four times I think she
00:39:35
was tested four times again the more and more samples that she gives you now you're not comparing note
00:39:43
to note you're comparing note to four notes and that's what led us to the bottom of the barrel that she possibly
00:39:50
wrote it this guy Merriman he was he actually wrote the note I believe seven times
00:39:58
and they actually put him on the higher Spectrum you know I on a scale of one to ten he's
00:40:05
maybe eight or nine he hit more markers yeah if they're looking for 19 different
00:40:10
markers to indicate this is the author of The Letter he's hitting more of those markers than Patsy Ramsey Yeah by 10
00:40:18
times and eventually when they came back and wanted him to write another sample he said look
00:40:24
I have rode enough to fill the Library of Congress if you want me to write anything more come back with handcuffs
00:40:32
this note doesn't make a lot of sense at all and this amount doesn't make a lot of sense but I know that John Douglas
00:40:40
and I I believe another FBI agent profilers have looked at this amount and looked at this note and thought this
00:40:47
kind of points to a male in their late teens maybe early 20s because again because the amount would
00:40:54
be significant to them yeah and I also a younger person but I also think um that makes a lot of sense and these
00:41:02
guys are experts I mean maybe not as much as I am but they are experts but I also then question is there
00:41:10
somebody else that this is a lot of this is a bigger amount too where a hundred and eighteen thousand might not
00:41:18
seem like enough of a reason to kidnap somebody but again I don't think that's the
00:41:24
reason I think this is just kind of a icing on the cake and again why not pick a smaller amount just to get it done and
00:41:33
over with well even 118 000 that's a whole lot of Rolling Papers yeah so here's the thing I do want to point out
00:41:41
Steve Thomas his book is fantastic regardless if you agree with his opinions and theories on the case I
00:41:49
highly recommend everybody pick that book up and check it out there's a lot of information in there does he have an
00:41:55
extra grind everybody that we will name I can't speak for the captain but my belief is everyone that we name in this
00:42:03
seems to have an ax to grind but I think it's ego he States well and I but I believe with Steve Thomas he he firmly
00:42:13
believes he's right he has some things that to him point out to him that he is right and he's just he's just trying to
00:42:21
push us out to the public and say look this is what I believe happened and why so I'm fine with with hearing his
00:42:27
opinion one thing he States about this 118 000 amount this is one thing that is I've not seen it reported anywhere else
00:42:37
so I want to make sure I bring it up here before we move on he states that there was some notes that
00:42:45
he found in John Ramsey's personal I don't know if it was a journal or personal notes that John Ramsey made
00:42:52
about his personal finances and the number 118 000 was significant as it was referenced within those notes now I
00:43:01
don't know if that was liabilities or liquid or what but it was it was significant according to Steve
00:43:09
Thomas in those notes and so he's pointing out forget about the bonus because a lot of
00:43:15
people could have known about that right this could be a number that's significant to John because of his
00:43:20
personal financial notes that that we found in his office that's interesting but then we also have a few other
00:43:28
interesting takes on this one thing that's been pointed out many many times and I just have such a big issue with this
00:43:38
whole thing look this case this investigation is salacious enough without coming up with Halloween stories
00:43:47
to add on top of it but there's always been the the speculation out there throughout the years that oh 118 is
00:43:55
significant because it references psalm 118 from the Bible and the family bible inside the Ramsey home was turned to
00:44:05
Psalm 118 which discusses child sacrifice and the Ramses are satanists right sorry that just doesn't make any
00:44:13
damn sense it doesn't add up number one number two one hold on if you're gonna sacrifice one of your kids
00:44:20
I mean don't you pick the ugly one I I don't know that I don't know the first thing about child sacrifice or the
00:44:28
or sacrificing my own child but what I will point out is that law enforcement stated first of all the
00:44:36
family Bible was not turned to Psalm 118. that never happened they never found that to be the case it wasn't
00:44:42
marked it wasn't bookmarked Psalm 118 doesn't seem to hold any significance to this case for the Ramses
00:44:51
on top of that read the Bible Psalm 118 doesn't discuss child sacrifice so it's just it's just a theory that's all kinds
00:45:00
of wrong it's interesting it would make for a good movie you know if you're putting together a good horror flick
00:45:05
that would be something of interest but uh it doesn't seem to mean anything now I like what John Douglas States about
00:45:12
the amount of 118 thousand dollars he states that you know that if you were to convert that money to
00:45:20
another currency Douglas points out that at the time in 1996 118 000 roughly translates to a million pesos see so
00:45:31
either pointing out again as a little wink wink hint situation that this could be a foreign entity or a foreign person
00:45:42
or he also States you know it could be somebody that was younger and looking to flee the area after receiving the money
00:45:49
and and hide out in Mexico yeah so it's interesting that there are several different
00:45:56
reasons for the possibility of this this odd amount and again John Ramsey himself
00:46:01
agrees that the the number is probably significant to the killer now the phrase I I actually I should say this Captain
00:46:10
just before moving on also like other things with this case it could have no significance at all it
00:46:16
could just be one of those weird things that's the amount that some crazy sicko on the spot came up with
00:46:24
and that's all you know and that's all it means yeah it's totally a coincidence then we have the phrase your account
00:46:32
in the letter this is interesting the author could have just said the bank you know you get the money from the bank
00:46:41
right and not your account also this is implying that the kidnapper knows that there's that dollar amount
00:46:49
at least in John Ramsey's account then if Patsy Ramsey was the author then we can see how in targeting the note toward
00:46:59
her husband she would use the phrase your account versus my account right make you know
00:47:06
make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank most kidnappers are not going to remind
00:47:12
you to bring an adequate size case to hold the money plus this is got to be a rather uncommon word I can think of only
00:47:23
a handful of times other than the Ramsey case where I have even heard the word attache used or seen it on a piece of
00:47:31
paper yeah I again this to me points I mean we just we got to look at intelligence level and I would say that
00:47:39
this individual writing the note whether it's Patsy or somebody else we know Patsy has a higher education uh
00:47:47
if it's not Patsy it's somebody else with a higher education because I just don't think that they would even try to
00:47:54
use that word then the suggestion that you be well rested I'm surprised they didn't write eat oatmeal for breakfast
00:48:01
you're going to need your strength it the kidnapper frankly doesn't give a [ __ ] if you're
00:48:08
well rested right or not you know doesn't care about your feelings or about your your health your physical
00:48:14
well-being they want their money but again this could be immaturity this could be somebody quoting dumb [ __ ] from
00:48:23
a movie this could be yeah this could be Patsy not understanding how to be uh as
00:48:31
aggressive as maybe as she should or this could be somebody that's actually close to the Ramsay family that
00:48:39
this is like a you're writing too much you're giving too much away and and I think a lot of people believe
00:48:47
that little tells like this point to that it's somebody that knows the family the word attache was written with an
00:48:55
accent placed over the letter e most people in the U.S do not use this special character it it may have been
00:49:03
used because the writer wanted the authorities to believe JonBenet was kidnapped by a foreign faction right the
00:49:11
writer may have used it because he or she is educated the other thing we have to make
00:49:18
take into consideration is that jonbenet's name was written with an accent Patsy Ramsey was accustomed to
00:49:27
using the accent when writing her daughter's name yeah she all she wanted her daughter's name to sound French
00:49:33
right so you will withdraw 118 000 from your account 100 000 will be in one hundred
00:49:40
dollar bills and the remaining eighteen thousand and twenty dollar bills make sure that you bring an adequate size
00:49:46
attache to the bank when you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag I will call you between 8 and 10 a.m
00:49:54
tomorrow to instruct you on delivery the delivery will be exhausting so I advise
00:49:59
you to be rested if we monitor you getting the money early we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery
00:50:07
of the money and hence an earlier pickup of your daughter note the author wrote delivery of your daughter if you see
00:50:15
this on if you go and look up the actual paper right yeah the author wrote delivery of your daughter crossed out
00:50:22
delivery and wrote pick up of your daughter so it reads mistakes and all we might call you early to arrange an
00:50:32
earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier delivery pickup of your daughter the writer started to say that
00:50:39
upon receiving the money he or they would deliver JonBenet to the parents then realizing that a kidnapper would
00:50:49
not deliver the hostage right but would tell the family where she could be found
00:50:53
therefore he changed it to pick up it's doubtful that a a well thought out kidnapper would make
00:51:00
this mistake it's a strong indication that the the writer was not an experienced Criminal yeah which makes
00:51:08
this case even more baffling because the note makes a lot more sense if if it's Patsy writing the note and just really
00:51:17
bad at writing a ransom note to cover it up and this is one of the points where she
00:51:23
goes um and hence right she was kind of commonly known to use that phrase and I believe even Burke uses that
00:51:33
phrase when he when he's uh questioned by authorities but again is this immaturity is this
00:51:43
somebody that's just trying to throw people off the set but also we might do this earlier
00:51:50
instead of the call I wonder if you're viewing Patsy as the author is this uh setting up for them to
00:52:01
change the plans on the police if they have to but I also think that depending on when
00:52:08
you wrote this note and then in what manner you did this would be kind of a weird thing to kind
00:52:14
of come up with off the top of your head yeah let's there's a lot to really dive
00:52:19
into in this couple's sentences I believe so first the word monitor implies a continual surveillance this is further
00:52:29
emphasized when the writer states you and your family are under cons constant scrutiny the kidnapper would have us
00:52:36
believe they are continually watching the Ramsay family which is very highly unlikely one but two goes
00:52:45
back to that line of if we you know if we see you getting the money earlier we're going to we'll make earlier
00:52:53
arrangements to return your daughter right it kind of it's kind of underlining that
00:52:59
yeah we are watching you and we will know when you go to get the money the word hence as you pointed out
00:53:06
is incredibly interesting it's not a common word the word hence is a formal way of saying therefore the writer
00:53:14
starts out the ransom note misspelling words giving the appearance that they are uneducated however his or their
00:53:21
educational level begins to show when they use words such as hence we see the same writing style in the
00:53:31
Ramsay's Christmas message on December 14 1997 the First United Methodist Church
00:53:38
in Boulder Colorado held a memorial service for JonBenet in the program there was a message a Christmas message
00:53:45
from the Ramsey family this message was also posted on the Ramsey family's website in the message we find the
00:53:53
statement had there been no birth of Christ there would be no hope of eternal life and
00:54:00
hence no hope of ever being with our loved ones again yeah it's suspicious but if there's also a enhance in their
00:54:11
Christmas letter maybe it's again somebody that got that Christmas letter but this is the year
00:54:16
after she was killed no but didn't you say that there was and there was a in the original Chris Christmas letter that
00:54:23
people would have got in 1996 is there no and hence and that one I would have to go back and review that I
00:54:31
don't believe that there is a and hence but they're this this fact is from their
00:54:37
December 14 1997 message this is a memorial to JonBenet right so that's very suspicious towards Patsy Ramsey but
00:54:47
if again like I said Burke a couple times says and hence and his I guess you can call it
00:54:55
interrogation tapes questioning tapes is it just somebody that's close to the family and knows that and hence is
00:55:04
something that Patsy Ramsey uses so therefore I use it and my letter not so much suspicious
00:55:11
towards Patsy Ramsay but more of a clue that hey I know you we're close you know you want to hear one sad thing
00:55:20
you you mentioned their Christmas letter and I I forgot about this this there's so many things involved in this case so
00:55:28
many details involved in this case and regarding their Christmas letter that we we discussed last week that they
00:55:36
sent out to their friends and family yeah they sent it out so late in December I believe I've heard the statement that
00:55:46
everyone but just for the sake of being fair and not having that in my notes specifically
00:55:55
I will state that that statement was most of the people receiving most of the recipients of that letter
00:56:02
received it on December 26th the same day that they had to tell friends and family that JonBenet was
00:56:10
killed right so just what a sad sad thing for friends and family you get this happy cheery message
00:56:20
about the Ramsay family and then find out that same day the little girl that you read about in
00:56:26
their Christmas message has been killed yeah also in these statements in this letter we have an unnecessary word over
00:56:32
any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter you will also be denied
00:56:40
her remains for proper burial the two gentlemen watching over your daughter unnecessary words are words that can be
00:56:49
taken out of a sentence taken out of this letter completely and the sentence still makes sense the writer could have
00:56:55
stated the two gentlemen watching your daughter extra words give us extra information
00:57:00
what is the difference between watching over someone and watching someone according to statement analysis.com they
00:57:08
say the best example is in reference to God if someone were to say that God is watching over me then you have God
00:57:17
keeping his distance he sees the person he or she I don't want to get into that argument here she sees the person but
00:57:25
also sees the entire world at the same time God can see the person because they are
00:57:32
a part of the world while God is watching over that person they are also watching over others the word over
00:57:40
means god is spreading his watchful eye upon the Earth now if someone were to write or to say
00:57:48
God Is Watching You it becomes more personal it's a focused attention right another
00:57:55
example would be if a friend asks you to watch over his house while he was out of
00:58:01
town in this case he probably wants you to stop by every once in a while and make sure everything is okay maybe
00:58:08
you'll pick up the mail water the plants whatever however if he asks you to watch
00:58:16
his house he probably wants you to house it to stay there right he wants you to be there where you can keep a close eye
00:58:23
on things so on December 26th I think something else that we should point out is this would have been a Thursday
00:58:32
so yes people were off work normally on Christmas but there's a lot of people that go back to work
00:58:39
on that Thursday so if it's not written by Patsy Ramsey I believe it would have to be written by
00:58:47
somebody that knew that they had time to do this that day possibly somebody that
00:58:54
doesn't have a job or or is off work which it could be a lot of people but I think
00:59:03
that's important to point out well Santa Claus just spent the whole time working
00:59:08
just before that so I'm sure he is off and resting on that day statement analysis goes on while we're talking
00:59:16
about words that are unnecessary they go on to add in a kidnapping the kidnappers
00:59:21
should be watching the abductee meaning the word watching is also unnecessary it would be understood they
00:59:29
will want to keep a close eye on her they want to make sure she does not Escape or alert someone that she needs
00:59:36
help they will want to make sure she doesn't harm herself if her being alive is dependent upon them receiving the
00:59:44
ransom when the writer of The Ransom note said they were watching over JonBenet the
00:59:50
writer was telling us they were not keeping a close eye on her their are only two reasons why you would not
00:59:59
closely watch your hostage one if you knew for certain she was all right and could not Escape or two
01:00:06
if you knew she was dead yeah since a dead body isn't going anywhere it is something you watch over
01:00:14
not keep a close eye on right so let's be clear about this if it's Patsy Ramsey or somebody in the Ramsey household then
01:00:23
we know that JonBenet is dead and so some of this stuff points to that right my issue has always been the person if
01:00:37
it's an intruder they had time so why wouldn't you write the note beforehand if the goal was to take Germany out of
01:00:47
the house the whole kidnapping just be a ruse they maybe they didn't even want money
01:00:55
they just are going to use this as a ruse to give them more time right watching over and all that stuff might not make
01:01:05
any sense I to me it's less likely that the Intruder takes her to the basement kills her on purpose or on an
01:01:16
accident and then decides to write a note my gut feeling says if it's an intruder the note was written before
01:01:25
the death of JonBenet and it's just immaturity not a seasoned criminal not uh you know
01:01:34
but I I also think a lot of the stuff is leading to somebody without DC education
01:01:40
decent ability to write I believe the person is giving too many Clues on that they're close to the family
01:01:49
and again I don't know if the the dollar amount matters at all um yeah I want to
01:01:54
stay on this for a little bit because I personally do not believe that the what statement analysis.com is stating
01:02:02
here in its simplest form is that based on the language used in the letter it appears that the writer already knew
01:02:09
that JonBenet was dead when writing the ransom note right I don't really firmly agree with that and I think that when
01:02:17
they say that they are trying to indicate that that means that it has to be Patsy and John or Patsy by herself
01:02:25
writing this letter already knowing that the daughter is dead right I I don't believe that so much but staying staying
01:02:34
on this idea of additional words or unnecessary words I go back to the we are a small foreign faction we are a
01:02:42
group of individuals the men watching over your daughter this is a group the watching over could actually apply
01:02:51
the watching over your daughter could make sense as we can't assume we know everything that the kidnapper has
01:02:57
planned regardless of the long letter left on the spiral staircase this watching over could be intended to imply
01:03:05
simply the men took your daughter I Am The Mastermind of this operation and I'm leaving the ransom note after the fact
01:03:13
they are elsewhere watching over your daughter right the two men watching over your daughter do not particularly like
01:03:20
you when we look at a copy of the ransom letter we find the writer originally wrote do particularly like you the word
01:03:28
not was written above the space between the words do and particularly a line was
01:03:35
then drawn indicating that the word not should be inserted between these words all right then we have any deviation of
01:03:43
my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter you will also be denied her remains for
01:03:50
proper burial the two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke
01:03:56
them speaking to anyone about your situation such as police FBI Etc will result in your daughter being beheaded
01:04:05
saying that JonBenet will be beheaded is very unusual statement analysis says in the United
01:04:12
States we generally do not talk about beheading people this was put in the note in their opinion to make it look
01:04:19
like a foreign faction was being behind this kidnapping right now for me Captain
01:04:25
this is the line that I have always questioned the most let's say JonBenet died in some kind of
01:04:33
accident and then the parents covered it up which is a very popular Theory so they cover it up and then write this
01:04:40
Ransom letter they would still be very upset about the death of their small child
01:04:46
they would still be grieving parents in a way I can't I have a very difficult time
01:04:54
believing that parents for any reason would reference the beheading of Their Own Child right that
01:05:01
it's not necessary to throw that in that note to cover up an accidental death or
01:05:06
something else yeah the small foreign faction and the beheading makes me think and the season right tis
01:05:14
the season for one of the best Christmas movies of all time and if you don't think it's a
01:05:18
Christmas movie you're just wrong Die Hard it makes me think that somebody watched die hard too much and went oh
01:05:25
yeah foreign faction uh you know beheading this is the terms that they would use right
01:05:32
if we catch you talking to a stray dog she dies if you alert Bank Authorities she dies if the money is in any way
01:05:40
marked or tampered with she dies you will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found
01:05:46
she dies four times the writer uses the phrase she dies if JonBenet was still alive the writer
01:05:54
should have been speaking in the future tense she will die this is a strong indication that the re the writer again
01:06:02
knows that JonBenet was dead at the time this is again that same website kind of
01:06:08
pointing out to that we could have a cover-up here by the parents yeah again the cover-up makes more sense than but
01:06:17
as far as the she dies okay well then she they would say well she will die this could be somebody going well that's
01:06:25
this would sound more like a terrorist would talk that's right she dies and then after this she dies this
01:06:34
this is this would be the terrorist or the threat level being turned up crank it up to 11. right scare the hell out of
01:06:43
the out of the parents now I really like this portion that I found here it states
01:06:48
there are three times when the writer used an exclamation point exclamation points as we all know are used to add
01:06:55
emphasis to the statement listen carefully this has an exclamation point in talking about killing JonBenet the
01:07:05
writer does not use any exclamation points four times the writer wrote she dies we would expect this to be a point of
01:07:15
emphasis in the letter but did not use them when talking about killing JonBenet this too May indicate that JonBenet was
01:07:23
already dead in the author knew this at this time there are and you you've been kind of hinting at this all day long
01:07:31
here there are several movie references or close to quotes found within this Ransom letter in the movie Dirty Harry
01:07:40
inspector Harry Callahan Clint Eastwood I love Clinton Eastwood is looking for Scorpio a man who kidnapped a little
01:07:48
girl when talking to Scorpio on the phone several times Scorpio tells inspector Callahan that if he does not
01:07:55
follow his orders the girl dies as opposed to saying the girl will die in the movie the girl was already dead in
01:08:03
the ransom note JonBenet was already dead another very interesting thing is the letter only names John Ramsey by
01:08:11
name no one else first it's Mr Ramsey and then simply John yeah the note is addressed to Mr Ramsey however towards
01:08:21
the end of the letter Mr Ramsey becomes John well I don't we have a practice note at some point yes where it's uh
01:08:30
it's addressed to both of them so in the believed or what is called the uh rough
01:08:36
draft or the first draft often referred to as the practice note practice letter they find in the same notepad it's
01:08:46
believed that that this Ransom letter came from the same notepad that they later found at the top of a page
01:08:53
somebody wrote Mr and Mrs I it looks like I because what the the authorities stay is that that is the
01:09:05
downstroke for a capital r that the intention was for it to be Mr and Mrs Ramsey and then before even completing
01:09:14
the capital r the author changed their mind and then decided to address the letter simply to Mr Ramsey just to John
01:09:23
right which look this is a pad that the the this stuff drives me nuts because it's like the the housekeeper could have
01:09:32
said I'm going to write a note real quick to Mr and Mrs Ramsey or anybody else that worked at the house could have
01:09:38
sat down so yes they believe it's possibly a practice note but there's also other explanations or
01:09:48
other things that you can speculate that is that there was no practice no we don't have anybody to claim that
01:09:56
that little letter right there you know the Mr and Mrs I right I think if somebody were to claim that
01:10:03
it would be easily more easy to dismiss but because we don't have that it may appear to most that a possible practice
01:10:13
letter nobody's saying definitively that it was right but there is evidence to certainly point that it could be
01:10:20
you and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities don't try to grow a brain John you are
01:10:26
not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult don't underestimate us John use that
01:10:33
good Southern common sense of yours it is up to you now John again this is pointing I think to somebody that's
01:10:41
closer to the family than this small foreign faction but also it simply can put Point towards Patsy
01:10:51
Ramsey well yeah I mean this is an indicator that the the author of The Letter has some general knowledge of
01:10:58
John it's it's same as the the dollar amount right it's same as knowing that he would be able to pay this amount use
01:11:06
that good Southern sense of yours that good Southern Common Sense knowing that he's from Atlanta right
01:11:13
and then addressing him as John I'll tell you what though for all the reasons that many people point out that the
01:11:20
letter itself shows no level of criminal sophistication I want to point to one sentence that I
01:11:27
believe shows a good deal of understanding and criminal sophistication regarding getting the
01:11:35
ransom and that is don't try to grow a brain John and we know that that's referenced probably
01:11:42
from a movie from from speed where he says uh don't grow a brain I'm on top of you or
01:11:49
says something like that and that that's a that's an individual that's looking to
01:11:53
collect a ransom in the movie but this line right here Captain you are not the only fat cat around so don't think that
01:12:00
killing will be difficult that to me shows some criminal sophistication right there that to me is
01:12:08
the person who's demanding The Ransom to say you know what on top of that don't deviate from these things because
01:12:14
there's a lot of people that say well you don't pay a ransom because you know right away that the killer the abductor
01:12:20
will not kill the abducted person the abductee because if they do kill then the likelihood of getting the ransom goes
01:12:30
down significantly they've not they've not upheld their end of the bargain I like this line because they're saying
01:12:37
don't deviate from us because guess what we don't care we will kill your daughter
01:12:41
and then we will take somebody else's kid and we'll give them a ransom and somebody will pay us eventually so don't
01:12:48
try to outsmart us here just be this is a very short way of saying don't try to outsmart us here just do the right thing
01:12:54
and pay us because we'll do this again we're not we're not worried about giving you your daughter back we're not worried
01:13:00
about losing out on the ransom because we because you screw up and we have to kill her well so you have one line that
01:13:07
we believe is coming from Dirty Harry but you say that there's a kidnapping there
01:13:11
so that's interesting and then the fact that there's another line that we go oh that might be from speed and there's a
01:13:17
ransom there I wonder if we're missing other lines from movies well in Dirty Harry there's
01:13:23
the line if we catch you talking to a stray dog she dies um well sorry that's from the The Ransom
01:13:30
letter but it sounds like from Dirty Harry if we if you talk to anyone even if it's a Pekingese on a
01:13:40
lamp post peeing on a Lamppost the girl dies that's from dirty hair Harry are we
01:13:45
missing some other references to movies and and to me then that's a again I I find it hard to think that
01:13:54
John and Patsy their daughter is it's an accidental death right and they're trying to cover up for their
01:14:03
son this is their child it doesn't have to be cover-up for their son though there's you know anybody could work
01:14:09
guilty of the accidental death but right right you're right but what I'm saying is
01:14:14
this is her beloved daughter this is I I love so my point somebody said uh well even if they didn't care about their
01:14:24
daughter they would have they would have been upset about their investment who who makes those claims towards parents
01:14:30
there there is no evidence that John and Patsy were horrible Satan worshipers and
01:14:38
didn't give a [ __ ] about their little daughter so if there's there was an accidental
01:14:43
death whoever is responsible at the end of the day we have a dead six-year-old daughter
01:14:50
so I think for them to sit around and come up with this letter to me it's cutesy oh we'll throw in that line about
01:14:58
what you know what's a Dirty Harry say oh yeah say something like that what was that movie what was that line and speed
01:15:05
yeah say something like that it's too cutesy that their six-year-old daughter died
01:15:13
and it and and in this case for whatever reason it's like oh well they got a little bit of money that doesn't make
01:15:19
monsters she spent a lot of time with her daughter no matter what you think that is you know and I I'm also so sick
01:15:28
and tired of people going well they they set her up and they put her in a position where there's all these
01:15:33
pedophiles and and so really even if they didn't kill her if they're not covering up an
01:15:39
accidental death that they really brought this upon their daughter oh give me a break your kids ain't safe
01:15:45
anywhere I have friends that have been molested by teachers counselors Boy Scout leaders
01:15:52
bus drivers Soccer Coaches priests pedophiles are everywhere so it's just the the claims that we can
01:16:03
make when there's no evidence beforehand or afterwards of them being horrible malicious people it's just it doesn't
01:16:12
make a lot of sense to me like I said it's too cutesy oh let's try to throw in some movie quotes
01:16:19
well there's no evidence of them being horrible malicious people beforehand either
01:16:23
so this to me is the most interesting portion of the letter and actually it's what is not in the letter Patsy is not
01:16:32
named JonBenet is not named but is referenced as your daughter or she right this is interesting because
01:16:41
what if it's possible that the person that wrote the letter did not know the little girl's name or
01:16:49
at the very least did not know how to spell JonBenet that's not common name I can't think of anybody else that that
01:16:57
shares that name right is it possible that they avoided that name because they didn't know how to spell it also could
01:17:04
the Intruder have only known John Ramsey's name yeah it's a difficult one because you think you know with the
01:17:14
Intruder Theory a lot of people go this this person must have been obsessed with
01:17:18
this little girl if you're obsessed with her wouldn't you know how to spell her name and also if you wrote the note
01:17:24
beforehand and then brought it with you or or wrote a note beforehand and brought that with you and then copied it
01:17:30
down and you were obsessed with her why why wouldn't you put her name but again maybe
01:17:38
there's all these little tells that if it's an intruder that they know the family well
01:17:43
right but maybe that was their their I am trying to disagree with that I think that it the only indicators that we have
01:17:52
is that the Intruder may know John well again pointing out no Patsy no JonBenet all the references that that would
01:18:00
indicate that they know of the family and uh maybe you're just using family in a loose term there right but
01:18:07
it's all towards John Mr Ramsey John we respect your business uh we know that you're wealthy 118 000 use that good
01:18:17
Southern sense of yours right all John and there are theories out there Intruder theories
01:18:26
that persons believe that the Intruder yeah did they do some horrible things to jump and hey yeah they killed her but
01:18:33
the the the intent was to was to harm John Ramsey right be it on an emotional level or whatever not on a physical
01:18:41
level but that that was the motivating factor for the death for the murder or the Abduction of this little girl was to
01:18:49
hurt and possibly destroy John Ramsey that the the killer or the abductor hat was seeking revenge against him or was
01:18:58
or sought to destroy this man yeah it makes sense to just focus it on John if you're if the writer is Patsy because
01:19:06
what would make you think that you should focus on yourself right so that's where I think people go oh
01:19:13
this had to be Patsy's doing and here's the thing too and I'm glad you point that out because that's something that I
01:19:18
think most people kind of skip over when they look at this case you hear so many
01:19:22
people go oh it was the parents or it had to be the parents you you can run different
01:19:27
scenarios in your head where it doesn't have to be the parents it could be a parent right it could have been one or
01:19:34
the other it doesn't have to be a united front of of the two right two killed covered up and then
01:19:42
it's the two of them against the world going forward right because what's interesting in this case is
01:19:48
you have a lot of people that think Patsy was up all night long and that her husband he took a sleeping
01:19:55
aid so he passed out and what if all this stuff happened and now she is responsible or she feels that
01:20:02
she's responsible and she doesn't think that John will understand so that she has to cover this all up on her own it's
01:20:11
possible but I also think when I think about the Intruder theory is that maybe this
01:20:19
person had a affection for Patsy as well and that that's why they didn't put her
01:20:25
in the letter they didn't name her you know I mean like if I'm going to talk trash to somebody I'll talk a little
01:20:31
I'll talk a little stick to John but I wouldn't do that to Patsy so I'm not going to do that in the letter when you
01:20:38
say that this individual would have it out for John right the evidence against that is if you have
01:20:47
more hatred towards somebody you're not going to be so polite you're going to right you're going to spew a
01:20:54
lot more Venom and that doesn't happen and you know you know don't think you're the only fat cat around
01:21:00
don't what like so you're you're kind of giving them a compliment just in that statement
01:21:07
you'd think a lot more of like John use a piece of [ __ ] and you're going to pay us
01:21:14
and you know you're a horrible person and you're and your business sucks you know I mean like
01:21:21
but they're too complementary to him so I I doubt the hatred then we have the weird
01:21:29
ending of the letter the victory sbtc yeah sbtc it appears there's no period after the
01:21:39
letter c just after the other three letters people have for so many years have wondered what could sbtc mean that
01:21:47
has always been one of the most popular questions in this case one of the most popular theories is that it stands for
01:21:54
Subic Bay Training Center right Subic Bay is a bay on the west coast of the island of Luzon in the
01:22:04
Philippines about 100 kilometers Northwest of Milana Bay an extension of the South China Sea its
01:22:13
Shores were formerly the site of a major United States Navy facility named U.S naval base Subic Bay which is now the
01:22:22
location of an Industrial and Commercial area known as the Subic Bay Freeport Zone under the Subic Bay Metropolitan
01:22:31
Authority we point this out because many people have suggested that John Ramsey who was stationed
01:22:40
at Subic Bay may have come up with this sbtc because it means Subic Bay Training
01:22:48
Center however in the description that we just gave you it clearly tells you that there is no entity
01:22:56
that exists with that name right Subic Bay Training Center that's not what that place was called and as far as I could
01:23:03
find there is no training facility station there that nobody would have any reason to refer to the United States
01:23:11
Navy facility named U.S naval base Subic Bay as Subic Bay Training Center another
01:23:18
possibility Captain is the sbtc could mean saved by the cross which could mean a number of different things statement
01:23:27
analysis says this is because of the Ramsay's professed faith in God and because the word
01:23:34
Victory precedes the initials sbtc as all Christians know it is through Christ's sacrifice on the cross that we
01:23:43
have victory over death the Ramses were religious and attended church as we mentioned in the timeline Patsy beat
01:23:51
cancer too and it has also been suggested that saved by the cross is a reference to Patsy's victory over cancer
01:23:59
sbtc could could have meaning to the perpetrator or to the perpetrators relationship to the Ramses or JonBenet
01:24:08
or what is probably the most likely situation is that it means nothing at all that it has no real relevance to the
01:24:18
case at all I believe Patsy at one point when asked what sbtc could mean she said
01:24:24
son of a [ __ ] Tom Carter right which was someone the family knew but that of course just seems like
01:24:33
like kooky talk I mean it's just yeah she had no filter really right right well I you know what I do like that
01:24:40
about her there is a certain charm John has too much filter right and then Patsy
01:24:46
has no filter yeah it's uh son of a [ __ ] time card well there is a guy that they they look into and one of the new
01:24:56
documentaries where he would sign his name he had like alias's uh and the T would stand for truth so it was his
01:25:05
Alias but he would put truth in there but again they they once you do more research they you go well this guy was
01:25:13
connected to Colorado but he couldn't have been there at the time so I think everybody's grabbing at
01:25:22
straws for this one I question the letters themselves though s b t c that's what we're assuming it is because again
01:25:32
I think one of the things that really points to the fact that Patsy didn't write this note
01:25:38
because if she's calling 9-1-1 this would have been not much after she already wrote the note
01:25:45
right it could have been minutes could have been hours right and they ask her who wrote the note who's it from and you
01:25:54
almost hear you have to you almost hear the thinking the wheels turning and she has to go to
01:26:01
the back and say sbtc then she reads Up victory if she wrote this note she would yeah
01:26:11
your your knee-jerk reaction would be to say Victory sbtc or just simply svtc yeah without a pause who wrote the note
01:26:19
sbtc okay well more likely that she wrote the note but when she has to search through it because she claims she
01:26:26
didn't even read the whole note she got to the point where you have my daughter oh [ __ ] I gotta go check on my daughter
01:26:33
oh [ __ ] John John yeah come help me oh we you know John maybe reads the note maybe doesn't maybe he gets to the same
01:26:42
part we gotta call the police and then at some point you're going oh [ __ ] now we called the police but they're telling
01:26:48
us not to call the police but again she reads up and she says sbtc Victory if she wrote the no like you said start
01:26:58
with Victory sbtc or say sbtc quicker I questioned the letters and this is what I mean by this Patsy
01:27:08
Ramsey is the one that determined this is sbtc this is pretty sloppy handwriting I
01:27:15
don't know if that t is a t or if it was supposed to be possibly a j a j because if you look at
01:27:23
every other T son of a [ __ ] John Carter some of the [ __ ] if you look at every other T the bottom
01:27:31
swoosh of the T goes out to the right and when you look at this T it almost looks like there's a DOT
01:27:41
um well it is a felt felt tip pen Okay so I do want to throw this in there according to Steve Thomas they had
01:27:50
verification from the Secret Service United States Secret Service that one of the felt tip pens in the little you know
01:27:57
everybody's got their little pen and pencil holder that contains multiple pens and pencils
01:28:03
that that pen and pencil holder contained a felt tip pen that authored the letter according to Steve Thomas and
01:28:12
according to what he States is proof from the Secret Service that they were able to determine that the the die or
01:28:21
the ink I guess would be better to say was was a perfect match for one particular pen in that that holder well
01:28:30
I point that out felt tip pen because if you anybody that's used them often knows
01:28:36
if you just kind of hesitate to pick up your pen it will leave what what looks to be a
01:28:43
DOT at the bottom of a letter or at the at the end of a stroke that you just finished yeah which I get but again I
01:28:52
think this is more deliberate and the reason why is because look at every you when they s y o u right at the bottom of
01:29:00
the why what happens with their pin naturally goes to the right look at a hundred percent
01:29:09
when they make the percent sign where does the pin go naturally to the right do you see that what was the last one
01:29:17
you just stated I'm reviewing the use so if you look at the used the bottom of the Y always starts curving to the right
01:29:26
even on the on the D's the bottom of the D's oh if you look at the word you when
01:29:31
you say you I thought you meant the letter U um yeah you're right with the the Y at
01:29:37
the start of the word you and at the end of the word Victory I can see right here on page three
01:29:44
yeah it it goes to the right a little bit Yeah and then if you look at 100 percent
01:29:50
or the bottom of the percent sign it goes to the to the right and that happens over and over almost
01:29:56
every y goes down and to the right uh even the F's and you're right on the J it goes to the left well on the T
01:30:07
it goes to the left making it a possible J yes just but only on the SB TC so I think it's possible that
01:30:20
the person started hurrying through this a little bit more and that is a s b j C right could be yeah and could this so
01:30:32
son of a [ __ ] Jesus Christ is that what it is no no it could mean anything again it could
01:30:39
mean nothing at all it could be here look the truth of the matter at the end of the day is the ransom note is a farce
01:30:48
however you want to spin it whoever you believe to be involved it's a fake meaning
01:30:54
whoever wrote it never intended to receive any Ransom I believe that 100 okay so what you're
01:31:01
saying is if it's written by somebody in the family they're covering up they're making they're they're making it look
01:31:07
like it's something else and it's an accident or they're covering up a murder yeah okay
01:31:15
if it's an intruder it could just be a false it could be a farce from the beginning and they're still planning on
01:31:23
taking her and that just doesn't work out and then they left the scene and move about their business I think it very
01:31:31
likely that given what we we know of The Wine Cellar and what we suspect of the body of JonBenet that if this person or
01:31:44
this group had any intention of taking this little girl and removing her from the home
01:31:50
that this letter was constructed to buy them time meaning when the the thing with the
01:31:58
Intruder I'm kind of with you and I'm not saying that I believe it to be an intruder but if it were if I were to say
01:32:04
yes I believe this was an intruder that's responsible for the murder of JonBenet
01:32:09
I believe that the the Intruder Theory only works if the letter was written was constructed before the attempted
01:32:17
abduction of this girl right and that there was no really true intention to ever return her there was no true
01:32:25
intention to collect on that Ransom that this would have been more likely a sexually motivated crime
01:32:32
and the letter was constructed to buy this sicko some additional time right and that could be for either any number of
01:32:43
purposes or just simply for the purpose of getting away of fleeing the area or distancing themselves from the crime
01:32:52
itself don't contact police if I can do anything to stall law enforcement from the if I can do
01:33:00
anything to stall the experts from getting involved then I'm going to do that because we we all know if you don't
01:33:06
solve this thing in the first 48 you don't have a suspect in the first 48 first 72 time is the killer time makes
01:33:12
it more difficult to solve these cases and this isn't particularly complicated one
01:33:18
and so I believe that if it were even an intruder the idea would be to distance themselves from the investigation to
01:33:27
slow the start and progression of that investigation I point to that for several reasons
01:33:33
because even if somebody look we we know that she's killed we know that she's killed somewhere in that
01:33:40
home and then the body is left somewhere in that home even if the kill the person killed her had intended to
01:33:49
take her for the purpose of a ransom you would still remove the body because you
01:33:54
could still collect on that Ransom even though she's dead the parents don't know
01:33:57
that she's dead right and even and even if they were even the sentence of denied a proper
01:34:04
burial indicates that the author of The Letter understands that even the return of a dead body has some value
01:34:13
so I don't really believe that there was ever in any intention of collecting on a
01:34:18
ransom and we went through the timeline I will contact you between 8 and 10 a.m tomorrow
01:34:25
to give you instructions there was no contact nobody ever reached out for any reason at all I I think it is also very
01:34:33
important to keep in mind I I think one of the smartest things that that Steve Thomas added to this case
01:34:41
is where he States that 8 to 10 a.m is so confusing because we don't know what the author means by 8
01:34:50
to 10 a.m because this crime we we're talking this all went down in the middle of the night
01:34:57
if if the abductor attempted the abduction after midnight well then 8 A.M to 10 a.m tomorrow could
01:35:06
mean the next day so I I think it's all it's all very long sense yeah and again I think
01:35:17
I believe that the person if it was an intruder they they wrote it beforehand and either copied their own note and
01:35:26
tried to make a couple corrections to it or whatever yeah and and that's why we have those little scribble marks but I
01:35:34
think they they wrote it beforehand there's too many cutesy like little references and little
01:35:39
things about like Hollywood not even so much even if you say they're not quoting any movie
01:35:48
it just sounds like stuff that would come from a movie they could just be quoting things or not specifically
01:35:54
quoting movies but just again grabbing window dressing that that comes to mind right when they think of oh what what a
01:36:02
what would a kidnapper who wants a ransom right right what what do I think a ransom
01:36:07
letter should look like and that's why I think it's what what I believe and I'll go forward moving
01:36:14
forward with this is that I believe the ransom note is the ransom letter is a complete farce and that either points to
01:36:22
it points to motive for me either it's a cover-up an inside job that had to be covered up or it was in fact an intruder
01:36:31
and the whole purpose of the ransom letter was constructed in advance and it was constructed to slow the
01:36:38
investigation to to delay the start of the investigation maybe the parents don't call 9-1-1 right away because they
01:36:47
are scared and they believe the letter they believe they're going to get their daughter back
01:36:52
that doesn't have to have any indicator whether the author knew in advance that they were going to take the girl or or
01:36:58
kill the girl inside it has no nothing to do with that at all it's just points everything in this letter points to me
01:37:06
that nobody had any intention of collecting okay so crispy kernel if if you had to bet right right now
01:37:16
if you had a wager your whole life savings 118 000 hundred and eighteen thousand
01:37:25
dollars and you had to wager that against a small foreign faction is this coming
01:37:31
from inside the Ramsey family or is this coming from outside the Ramsey family okay I would walk up to the window to
01:37:40
the the betting window and I would Place fifty nine thousand dollars that the author of the letter
01:37:50
was an intruder and then I would place my I would wager my remaining fifty nine thousand dollars
01:37:58
that one of the Ramses or both the Ramses wrote the letter how you like that wager right there yeah
01:38:03
that's a horrible answer I'm going to go if I had to bet it's an intruder [Music]
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