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grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] foreign about three weeks before Abby
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disappeared her behavior changed drastically she would tell us she was going someplace or with someone and we
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would find out that's not where she was Abby was provoking arguments and wanted to move out she left and eventually
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ended up with my son Trevor a couple days before Abby was reported missing she she went to a party Eddie
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texts me on Saturday October 24th that she needed to speak to me about something important she indicated that
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an individual at this house had sexually assaulted her and videotaped it there were four boys at the party she told me
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she was assaulted by one Abby was hysterical and wanted my husband to go to the police station with her I told
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Abby that I would beat her after dinner to sit tight and I'd let her know when I
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was on my way the last question I asked her was that she wanted to go file her police report and she stated yes I'm
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certain the next afternoon my stepson Trevor came by he contacted Ebby about an hour
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later and she told him that she was outside his house so Trevor travester where she was she didn't know
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where she was but she knew she was with her car at that point Trevor told me what had happened told me
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because damn you sounded really messed up disoriented he never heard herself like that before to my knowledge Trevor
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is the last person in our family to speak to Abby I would like the four individuals that were at that party that
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evening with my daughter to come forward and give a formal interview with the Little Rock Police Department to either
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help them move forward in the investigation clear their name or help determine what happened to ebony
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foreign [Music] the story by starting off with the main event which may be a murder an abduction
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or a disappearance but in this case the events unfold in such a peculiar way we will just roll with the chronological
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approach much of the biographical information we are about to relay comes from a series of articles in ay magazine
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dedicated to this strange case now the trailer you just heard was taken from the Dr Phil show who has done some
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extensive coverage on this case Ebbie Jane stebic was born March 31st 1997. to Lori and Peter stebic
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Abby's name which Lori laughingly says she borrowed from a church friend whose daughter's name was Evie her unusual
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name signified how special and unique her mother felt her child was Evie's middle name is Jane which is also her
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mother's middle name as well Lori hoped her little girl would embody a combination of her mother's
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traditional religious values and a free-spirited one-of-a-kind persona Abby's family consisted of an older
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brother older half-brother actually named Trevor and a younger sister named Harris
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Lori says she and ebby's father split when Abby was just a first grader Lori says that the marriage was a quote bad
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situation but when it ended it was still abrupt and shocking to her and her daughters
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Lori went on to marry Michael Jernigan who helped bring some stability to this broken family
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teenaged Ebby was known as ebster to her family she loved Hot Pockets her dog furball music the beach and the color
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purple when she graduated from high school Abby wanted to go to cosmetology school
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and later get her real estate license she was also interested in languages she studied Spanish Turkish and Hebrew
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Lori says Abby was always stubborn and independent when she was young she did not like her
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name and she went through phases where she would insist on being called something else
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Lori says Abby was a homey person she liked to stay home she had friends over to her house more than she would go to
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their homes as she got older she developed into a fiercely loyal person while she was hard to get to know her
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friends say that once you broke down her walls she was selfless and generous and
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passionately stuck by her friend's sides and Abby's friend Danielle Westbrook describes her as kind loyal loving
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courageous strong and perseverant one story that captures this is when her classmate this was a boy named Caleb
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Boyd he was apparently wrongfully incarcerated for having a gun on school grounds
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the way that this story works is instead of turning her back on him like so many
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of his other friends did right Ebby took the lead in mobilizing students in support of Caleb she initiated a letter
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writing campaign and petitioned the court and it worked getting Caleb released although these characteristics of ebbies
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were largely positives her mom says there were some downsides to her loyal and trusting nature Ebby got hurt a lot
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because her strong feelings weren't always returned and her early high school years she was bullied and she
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changed schools switching to the little Scholars of Arkansas Academy from another small private school
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later Abby's loyalty and stubbornness reared its head when her mom tried to get her to see that a few of her
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boyfriends and other friends were less than she deserved as high school progressed her
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independence morphed into full-blown rebelliousness Abby started breaking her parents rules
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and hanging out with a new crowd a group that she met at her job at Foot Locker at the McCain Mall
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she had worked hard to land this job this was the summer before her senior year Abby spent most of her money on makeup
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and clothes and she started to work more and more to be around these other kids her parents didn't know
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things were exacerbated by the car that Abby got from her father Peter Lori said
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it gave her daughter the feeling that she could go wherever she wanted to whenever she wanted to right that's a
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typical feeling for teens hey I got a car I'm out of here man uh Abby who was a very pretty girl five foot two 110
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pounds with blonde hair and hazel eyes she is acting out in ways her parents do not like did not like and we all know
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this is we don't mean to give Abby a bad name this is a phase most kids go through a lot of kids go through they
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want to not be around their parents not listen to their parents and they're hanging out with these these other
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people that her parents are calling kids but let's keep in mind these are people
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that she's working with so as we go through this we are uncertain and the captain and I talked about this last
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week we are uncertain if these are in fact actually kids right because it's a job
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so at the youngest we're probably looking at what 17 or 18 but very likely 1920 maybe even 21 year old young adults
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now Abby as we said she's acting out she's lying to her parents you know not going where she says she's going hanging
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out with people that she says she will not hang out with she and her mom and stepdad continue to butt heads and
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things escalated Abby would periodically storm out to stay at her friend's home at Danielle's home but would always
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return home the next day now when Abby started her senior year in the fall of 2015 she made a decision
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that her mother would not support she switched schools this was from the Lisa Academy to Little Rock Central High
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which is a very big school she went from a small school to a very large school this was a major change for Ebby who had
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been in a sheltered private school her whole life sure enough new kids she was hanging out
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with introduced her to marijuana her parents did not approve and in a heated argument in September Ebby and
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her mom agreed that she should move out Lori was determined to stand firm her house her rules and if Evie moved out
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she couldn't come back Lori agreed to pay for certain things but Abby would largely be on her own and
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she would have to work quite a bit of this situation reminds us of Brianna Maitland a case we covered
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episode 254 and 255. Brianna switched schools as well and remember she started hanging out with the wrong crowd right
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eventually moving out of her parents house and working a lot Vanishing in 2004 and unfortunately not seen since
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Abby didn't have much of a plan in fact she rotated between houses quite a bit she crashed at her older brother
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Trevor's home she stayed with her biological father Peter and with a friend Kaylee Foley
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so she's bouncing around from all of these three homes for a time and Lori and Michael began receiving calls from
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Central High Abby was missing school they decided not to confront her about this she is still in school but
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technically she is an adult at this time right sometime around mid-october Abby showed
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up at Danielle's Place asking to stay there for a while the two shared Danielle's room listening
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to music and they went out on long drives but since they went to different schools Danielle was never really sure
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what Ebby was doing if she was not at the home yeah it seems like she had to do a lot of work to figure out where she
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was going to stay so it'd be a lot more work on top of that to figure out how you're going to get from this random
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spot that you're staying at to school on the morning of Wednesday October 21st Ebby was supposed to drive Danielle to
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school on her way to school after Danielle's doctor's appointment Danielle texted Abby that her appointment was
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running late telling Abby to go on without her Abby texts back saying no it's not a big
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deal at all I swear I didn't want to go to school today anyway because of all that drama
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Danielle does not know what drama Ebbie was referring to Abby never ended up going to school that
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day it's unclear how many days she missed but she and Danielle went to services at the Assembly of God Church
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in Little Rock that evening Thursday and Friday I don't know if Ebby went to school I
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could not find anything that stated that she did so we can only guess that what the drama was and if she was still
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avoiding school because of it but on Friday night October 23rd we do know that Ebby went to a party
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Danielle did not go with her because she did not know the other people attending
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this party right we don't know if these were kids from Central High School or people that Ebby was working with at
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Foot Locker or others but it was some group that she was hanging out with at this time
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this will be easy to understand why we don't know who this is in just a quick bit
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on Saturday October 24th Abby told Danielle that her brother Trevor was worried because she hadn't been to his
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place all week long so she needed to go over there and see him the friends agreed to see each other on
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Sunday at the church ice cream social so Abby went to her brother Trevor's place and then she went to her
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grandparents house this is Peggy and Bill Holman Abby was close with them and loved
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staying at their house Abby spent the day sleeping and watching her favorite show SpongeBob she had dinner with her
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grandparents and they went out for TCBY around 7 p.m and around 8 P.M she's going to be leaving her grandparents
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telling them that she's going to go hang out with her stepfather she tells her grandparents that she does plan to
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return to their home for that night and asking them not to lock the doors the holmens never saw her again and when
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they tried calling her later that evening before going to bed there was no answer
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it turns out that that same night around 7 50 p.m Abby had begun texting her stepfather that she wanted him to bring
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her to the police station so she could report an incident that happened at the party the night before
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she told him that she was the victim of a sexual assault and four males were involved one guy had sexually assaulted
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her and he also videotaped the whole event it's unclear what the role of the other
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three boys was but it was implied that they were also complicit somehow every story is backed up by some text
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that she sent on the morning of Saturday October 24th this is to a friend named Gage Fulton here's the conversation
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that Gage later had with Monty Vickers a private investigator on the case describing the text between him and Abby
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he says Abby says I was hanging out with some dudes last night and we smoked and I had sex with
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one of them and he effing recorded me she says this was when she wasn't looking Vickers asked Gage did she tell you that
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she was raped to which Gage replies says she said she felt forced into it her last text message to me is saying I am
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going to kill myself well it seems like they were drinking at this party possibly these guys are older we don't
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know I think we both kind of assume that that that these are probably more likely
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people from Foot Locker than her High School yeah or friends of Foot Locker friends yeah so it seems to me that
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maybe she felt pressured or or whatever but anyway she ends up having sex with this individual then he tapes it or
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films it without her knowledge right and he's probably sharing this with the other guys at the party
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and that's probably why she is saying that they're involved in some way yeah and and
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we say the word sex but we're using that very vaguely well those are also her words
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yeah but but we have her telling Gage that she said she felt forced in right right so now we do know that Abby did
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not kill herself instead she began texting her stepfather while he was eating dinner that night Abby requested
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that Michael not tell her mother she had already called the police but didn't feel that she had received any
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good advice on what to do right so Abby felt it would be better if she went to the police station in person
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and she wanted her stepfather to go with her the two agreed to meet around 8 pm at the holmets and head down to the
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station together but we do know that Ebby left the holmen's house before Michael arrived and the grandparents
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told Michael that they were under the impression that she had gone to meet him she was never seen again now Michael
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fears that she may have decided to try to confront one of the boys or all of the boys at the party about this
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incident by herself right and he says probably to try to get a hold of the video
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according to Lori ebbie's cell phone records indicate that Abby made two calls to the Little Rock Police
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Department that night around 7 30 p.m and each only lasted about a minute but the Little Rock Police Department
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has said they have no record of those calls okay right right so but Abby's mob does
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so we know that they happen right Abby's phone records also show that she continued to open and read text messages
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until the night of Sunday October 25th unfortunately wait wait wait say that again
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well the phone records show that and I I have here in my notes that she indicating Abby but I think what we
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should be clear on is we don't know who was opening right and reading text messages but somebody was until Sunday
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of October 25th right it's clear to me that that we have Lori her mother believes it
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to be Abby but as as we just stated we don't know for sure no I think what happened is she goes missing
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and somebody is going through her phone to try to clear some evidence I think that's what it is well and
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nobody knows where she spent that Saturday night right I mean she could already be in
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danger as you just said now the family started to be worried when no one heard from her by the next morning right we
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got to keep some things in mind here there's a lot going on and there's a lot going on in this phase of Abby's life
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as we already stated she's not always honest about where she is who she's hanging out with and there were times
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even before moving out that she would leave in an argument and go stay somewhere and then come back the next
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morning one the difficult thing is that she is 18 so technically she doesn't have to be honest about where she's
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going yeah so you have like really mixed emotions and thoughts and feelings by her family right now where she didn't
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show up to meet her stepdad she tells her grandparents that she left to see the stepdad he shows up at their door
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and they're like what are you doing here right uh but at the same time you got these concerns but you also have a
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history of somebody running out for the night right and not being where they're supposed to be they
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say that they tried calling and texting Abby and all of those texts were it's according to her phone records state
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that they were read by somebody they weren't responded to finally around 5 30 p.m on Sunday the
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25th ebbie's brother Trevor got a phone call from her she did not sound like herself he said
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she sounded panicked and disoriented Abby told him that she was in her car parked outside of his house
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so he hangs up the phone he goes outside to meet her but she is not there there's
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no sign of her or her car he calls her back and asks you know where are you she said she was in her car but did not
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know where she was and she could not tell him who she was with the last thing she said was I'm [ __ ]
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up after four minutes of back and forth with Evie not making any sense at all and not giving him any information she
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hung up the phone and no one has ever heard from her again her phone started going to voicemail
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on Sunday night when Ebby hadn't turned up at her grandparents home and after that worries some phone conversation
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with Trevor her family started actively looking for her searching the neighborhood and calling around to her
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friends Abby's sister texted Danielle asking if Abby was at her place Danielle who was
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at the ice cream social said she had planned to attend with Abby right but obviously Abby's not there
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correct and now Danielle is joining in the hunt as well she starts calling and texting Abby's phone she starts calling
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other friends to see if anyone knew where she could be when she got no response from Abby
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Danielle started driving around looking for Ebby in places she knew her friend would frequent but all of this effort
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nobody would find anything [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] we're back cheers mates
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we are back after that strange phone call Abby's brother called the police to report her missing but he received the
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typical runaround that we've seen in so many other cases it's all it almost seems just
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in in a terrible way it almost seems funny to even say it because we've repeated it so many times right
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throughout these different cases now this one is a little different this response is a little different than
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we've heard in the past and maybe it's some form of progress I don't know Captain you'd be the the decider there
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but she he's told that they need to wait 12 hours before filing a report nope there
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there's no there's nothing it's a little bit of a shorter time period most of the time we
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hear less of a 24 we've heard 36 hours here they want 12. so Lori her mother says the second that the clock hit the
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12-hour mark she called the police she called back to the Little Rock Police Department right
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a police officer came to the house on Monday to speak with the family and fill out a missing person's report
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but the Little Rock Police Department did not seem too interested in the missing person's case they seem to give
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Lori's concern about her daughter very little weight and took a perfunctory report without much follow-up at all
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yeah now in the cops defense I I really want to know how many times do they get calls where they're getting call backs
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within minutes hey we can't find my son can't find my daughter and then five minutes later they're going up sorry we
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found them well we do know that that is the case most of the time and the other thing too
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look we'll go down this road because you you started us down the road in this particular situation I can kind
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of see it from that perspective of oh we just have some people that are overreacting and they want to file a
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report but yet the person that they're trying to report missing they've already told me she's hanging out with the wrong
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crowd she leaves and doesn't come home some nights she's an adult she's an adult she's living elsewhere and we
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don't really know where she's living so I I I go ahead yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
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yeah yeah yeah uh the thing that I always drives me nuts though is when they go well they're adult and they have
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the right to go missing and I would just say that that look I understand people have the right to go
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missing but the person that is you know the person that has the right to go missing that normally goes missing there
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probably is some conflict with the family so the family is not going to be calling for a while right yeah I mean
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but when a family is calling going hey uh we can't find our son or daughter and the cops go well they're adult they have
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the right yeah we know that they have the right but this is added character and and and I think the cops need to
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take that more serious it's out of character and then here's the other thing too that that yes and I'm gonna be
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my own devil's advocate here where I say that I understand this from the cops perspective where they're
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saying here's this this 18 year old who doesn't come home some nights lives elsewhere couch surfing basically right
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but then here's the other time the other thing you got to consider that's all been going on for a while and they've
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never called the police before right so very likely this is very different than any of those other times and and maybe
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they are not overreacting at all maybe they are reacting appropriately and we need to step in and get involved in this
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thing well again this is also a day and age where we're very connected so if you're not getting a hold of somebody it
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it becomes spooky pretty quickly now to put it in its shortest form possible the jernigans did not feel that
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the police were treating their missing daughter's case with an appropriate sense of urgency
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on October 30th the Little Rock Police Department this is Lieutenant Steve mccallahan
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he's the media spokesperson for the police department he told the media that there was no immediate danger in ebbie's
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case and she was likely missing because she wanted to be then Little Rock's Channel 7 News
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reported that police found surveillance footage showing Abby's car traveling on Cantrell Road in West Little Rock
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sometime shortly after she went missing while this report aired at the end of the week when Evie disappeared there was
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no indication of when the footage of the car had been taken right so it's on TV but we don't know exactly when that
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footage was taken it turned out it was most likely sometime that weekend The crucial time period in which Ebby did
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vanish shallow mount Park is a neighborhood park there's a pool there and a playground it's maintained and operated
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by the large Chanel Valley homeowners association a sign at the entrance of the park reads
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private for residents only it is in a very upscale area of West Little Rock near Joe Robinson High
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School another large High School in the city on route 10. in order to get to the private
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neighborhood park drivers have to take one of two access roads one of these is shallowmont Drive which becomes
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Northfield drive and takes drivers out to Chanel Parkway by the Walmart Super Center
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the other way takes drivers on Charlemont drive to Cantrell Road which is route 10.
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a security guard named guy Hooper who was employed by the neighborhood association to patrol the park
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he called The Little Rock Police Department on the night of October 28th he was calling to report an abandoned
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vehicle parked in the parking lot of the Park police took a report but didn't make it over to the park
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until October 30th two days later wow so I I want you to keep in mind how this whole thing went down this this man guy
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Hooper he's a security officer he calls in this abandoned vehicle and then he waits for police for a couple of hours
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and they don't show up they don't respond the entire time to which he's like all right I'll be back again
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tomorrow to patrol again right I believe he actually called the following day as
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well and then again waited another hour or two but as said it was two days later before
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anyone showed up to take a look at this vehicle well and just to go back to the the whole we don't believe that she's in
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danger we think that she went missing on her own like we have a couple points of evidence
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to make him believe not that one she's basically saying that there was a sexual assault that happened to me and I want
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to report it I called your police station multiple times I'm making arrangements to go down there so we
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should take that serious and then the remarks that she made to her friend saying well I'll kill myself now maybe
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that is just you know it was just a figure of speech and it wasn't something that she was actually going to do but
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just that in itself means that she's in possibly in danger of harming herself and so we should take this more serious
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it seems just like a load of horseshit well once they finally went down there to investigate this abandoned
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vehicle what they found was Abby's silver 2003 Volkswagen Passat Arkansas plate 137 UFM
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parked in the parking lot and it had been there since the night of October 25th this is according to the security
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office okay so the 25th that's the Sunday that's the same night that that she spoke with Trevor on the phone yes
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that Sunday okay the car keys were still in the ignition the vehicle was out of gas and the battery was dead even more
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disturbing were the contents of the vehicle which included her contact lenses her wallet and her cell phone all
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of which were sitting on the front seat now really truly what they find there keep
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in mind she's moving around from house to house at that time staying a little bit with her brother a little bit with
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her biological father and then a friend or two they're going to find not only just
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these items but they're going to find basically all of her possessions that travel along with her from house to
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house in this car yeah her car becomes basically her storage unit yeah now these items are of importance because
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Lori later said that Abby couldn't see without her contacts and she would never ever not take her phone somewhere with
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her she Lori says this was ebbie's Lifeline to her family and now keep in mind she's not living with yeah yeah
00:34:42
she's not living with her family but she's still close with them and the fact that all of ebby's makeup
00:34:48
was still sitting in the vehicle as well that Lori says was the Clincher for her
00:34:54
she immediately knew that something was wrong something bad had happened now let's take our own little
00:35:03
investigation into this vehicle too Captain what did we say here we got the the car keys still in the ignition bad
00:35:09
sign we got the automobile out of gas and the battery was dead that to me suggests that somebody left the vehicle
00:35:18
running right in that parking spot and we do know that it was there since that what did we say Sunday the 25th
00:35:26
and they're not there looking at it until October 30th that's it I get abandoned vehicles
00:35:35
I don't get having these types of possessions being found inside the vehicle in plain sight one two vehicle
00:35:42
out of gas and the battery's dead keys in it somebody left that vehicle running this is very strange stuff yeah now upon
00:35:49
finding the car Little Rock Police called ebby's Father Peter this is her biological father
00:35:57
his name is on the car registration it was he who notified his ex-wife Lori the ebbie's car had turned up
00:36:08
police apparently failed to notice that the name of a missing young woman was also on that registration
00:36:15
and her license was in the vehicle while they were searching the car they left the trunk open oh it makes you
00:36:24
wonder did they failed to notice this or or they're choosing you know because they're they're
00:36:31
choosing not to look for somebody that we know that possibly is in danger well we know they're choosing not to show up
00:36:38
and take this report we know they're choosing not to go investigate this car for two days
00:36:45
it's ridiculous well and keep in mind a couple things if the security officer had called multiple times to report an
00:36:53
abandoned vehicle yeah the responding officer does not know I mean they may know that
00:37:01
somebody is missing or has been but but very likely not because like we said the
00:37:07
the missing persons report is filed it's probably handed off to a detective by then and if they are not showing an
00:37:14
actual concern for this missing individual the responding officer to this abandoned vehicle can't put two and
00:37:20
two together right because he doesn't have enough information to do so so it's not until he calls the father that's on
00:37:27
the registration father calls Mom hey they found her vehicle they're it's going to take ebbie's
00:37:34
family to bring it back around to police and say look our daughter is missing and now you've
00:37:39
found her vehicle yeah with all our stuff in it right I mean look we all know that teenagers are connected to
00:37:45
their phones that that to me is a huge red flag and again like you said the battery being dead no gas and the keys
00:37:53
in the ignition hmm while they were searching the car the officers left the trunk open and a
00:38:01
rainstorm soaked many of ebby's belongings Channel 7 News reported that there appeared to be no sign of a struggle
00:38:09
inside or outside of the vehicle and it was found abandoned since Abby's disappearance her mother
00:38:16
has worked non-stop to keep her daughter's case in the public eye and in the active Case Files on detective's
00:38:24
desk but it hasn't been easy in fact at times it has been almost impossible this is because the people who were
00:38:33
supposed to help her and help her family who made a pledge to protect and serve they failed on this investigation for
00:38:42
months the Jernigan family says that ebby's car was the subject of phone calls to the
00:38:50
Little Rock Police Department not only from guy Hooper but several Neighbors in the area who
00:38:56
called about the car that week well before police officers finally acted on the tip
00:39:02
if the department had not ignored these calls the trail would have been a lot fresher
00:39:09
and even after they finally piece together that the car and the missing young woman were connected
00:39:15
the police department dropped the ball the family got the run around as to who was in charge of this investigation
00:39:22
police never contacted people that were suspected of being at the party Danielle or any of ebby's other friends
00:39:31
were not contacted the security guard who found the vehicle was not contacted no it took them weeks to getting around
00:39:40
to pinging ebby's phone to see where it had been and when they did they initially pinged
00:39:47
the wrong phone number so yeah let me take you through this Horror Story well I mean let's just
00:39:54
reiterate the fact that they opened they left the trunk open right what are you a [ __ ] I I mean come on
00:40:03
it's like and what's the number one thing that we've seen time and time again one of the worst things for
00:40:09
evidence is water yeah and you just leave the trunk open right this is a crime scene or possibly a crime scene
00:40:19
and you don't know either way so you should protect it but you're too lazy or stupid
00:40:28
or both or both I guess there's I guess there's another option nobody's ever wearing a shirt
00:40:36
that says I'm lazy and stupid we're gonna make it we're gonna make a shirt like this stupid for those of you
00:40:42
who are proud yeah of yourself so get that trunk open here's something I'm gonna put my bike
00:40:48
in it let me take you through this Horror Story this is about the pinging the her phone but it ends up being the
00:40:56
wrong phone number all right so they ping her phone what is believed to be Abby's phone yeah
00:41:03
and police tell her mother and stepfather we've pinged the phone it's it's coming
00:41:12
from a location out about 45 minute drive from your home so kind of out away from the city
00:41:20
and it's coming from a field out there listen to this I mean this is not sounding good right
00:41:28
your daughter's messing your phone is pinging from a a field kind of out in the middle of the country you start
00:41:36
thinking that's possibly where her body is that's where we're going to find her but then you're going well how did our
00:41:43
phone get back to the car right right and that's I guess I'm a little unclear on that Captain what they're saying is
00:41:50
that when they trace these pings around the time that she went missing they had the phone pinging out in this other
00:41:57
location now as you said though that's when the parents are like oh my God we might find
00:42:03
her body out in that field right and this is awful look if I'm the investigator even if I ping the wrong phone right
00:42:14
even if I'm a freaking [ __ ] Captain [ __ ] pants right and I'm pinging the wrong phone and then I know
00:42:24
that the phone ended up at the car before I tell anybody I am gone and searching that field
00:42:32
myself or double checking the Ping information right but I'm starting I'm starting with I'm a dumbass right I I
00:42:41
ping the wrong phone but either way I made a mistake right but I'm going to be a good uh detective a good investigator
00:42:50
and before I tell the parents and freak them the freak out I am going to go check that field
00:42:57
and then I'm going to present the information but my Maybe by checking the field and finding nothing I would then
00:43:05
double check did I get the number right yeah they're looking for Ping information that would have taken place
00:43:13
around the time that she was trying to call her brother that she spoke to Trevor right right so
00:43:19
unfortunately they figure out law enforcement figures out that they were pinging the wrong
00:43:26
number I bet they'd even figure that out I bet somebody in our family figured that out well they I believe it was a
00:43:33
couple of days before they told the family oh we were paying the wrong number when they finally pinged the
00:43:40
correct number it did turn out that Ebby was or the phone was in Charlemont Park
00:43:46
when she did in fact call Trevor right now the Little Rock Police Department also claimed to be unable to access
00:43:55
Abby's social media this is a part of the story that I really you know we're talking about things that
00:44:03
that law enforcement screwed up on that they messed up on that they dropped the ball right this one is is just a small
00:44:10
part of the story but truly I feel like this is where they missed the bus the most
00:44:16
because we we have rumor of this video that might have been on somebody's phone we have
00:44:23
talks and Gage coming forward saying that I trade text messages with her we know that she or somebody was opening
00:44:31
and reading text messages on her phone on that Sunday right so I really feel like and especially given her age that
00:44:40
this Social Media stuff could have really helped the investigation especially in the early stages of the
00:44:47
investigation what's going on here is they're telling the family we don't know how to access these social media
00:44:54
accounts we do not know how to get in there do a little spy work and figure out what was going on who she was
00:45:00
talking to because we're too stupid well and then on top of that what would be really key here is to figure out where
00:45:08
in fact she was going when she says that she was going to meet her stepfather because we know from the stepfather
00:45:13
right that's not the case he says I was going to meet her here and now she's gone right so that could have really
00:45:22
helped the early stages of the investigation why is she at the park well at the very least let's say she
00:45:27
communicated with four or five other people after she left her grandparents house you need that trail of breadcrumbs
00:45:34
right you need to follow the breadcrumbs to get you from person a to person B to
00:45:38
C and D until you get to the actual last person that spoke with her or had interaction with her so you can figure
00:45:45
out her location yeah but I get to see the detectives the whole time on this case again
00:45:52
all right well we checked her we checked her phone this is the the detectives talking to
00:45:58
the family we checked her phone what's her name again you know I mean that's that's kind of
00:46:05
the work they're doing where's wow yeah we we saw her car what's her name again you know have you heard from her like no
00:46:13
do some work here now Lori did try to assist the investigators as much as she possibly could regarding her missing
00:46:21
daughter's case she was the one that spent the the man hours putting together Abby's phone records she got as much as
00:46:30
she could from her social media accounts and she passed all of this on to the detectives and unfortunately
00:46:39
she says at one point in this investigation when she is in there answering questions and talking with
00:46:45
Detectives she's saying the detective seemed proud to tell her we have we've collected all
00:46:53
this information we have tons of evidence we have all this information regarding your missing daughter and he
00:47:00
had it in the room with them right and Lori says she looked at all of this information that he says he has and that
00:47:09
has collected and she says unfortunately this was everything this guy had she provided to
00:47:18
him she provided this information so why he seemed proud to have that information
00:47:23
makes absolutely no sense at all stupid or lazy what's going on behind the scenes yeah is the trouble of having
00:47:33
Abby and the family come forward stating two things one ebby's intention was to meet
00:47:39
her stepfather at some point that evening her family saying The Stepfather was going to meet Ebby some point that
00:47:46
evening yeah those things are now working against Abby's family in this investigation
00:47:53
because now the way that they're working this investigation they're suspicious of
00:47:58
The Stepfather of course they want to know if if in fact he was the last person to see her and what was really
00:48:05
going on behind the scenes there yeah yeah basically they're basically believing that he is the murderer now
00:48:14
mind you they wouldn't state in the beginning that this was a real missing person's
00:48:19
case to begin with now all of a sudden they're saying oh we think that she disappeared because you made her
00:48:24
disappear right and this whatever this theory is or how they ever came up with this Theory other than knowing that he
00:48:31
might have been the last person that she intended to to meet with they're now using this as a theory and
00:48:38
they're what they're claiming when they speak with the family is you're lying to
00:48:43
us you're you're telling us a different story because you're trying to cover up what truly
00:48:49
happened to your daughter when in reality what we have is a family who's trying to be actively involved in an
00:48:57
investigation that would not be moving forward without them yeah it's very difficult because we were
00:49:05
talking about this before I think on off the Record where I do not like the idea when detectives say it's
00:49:15
not my job to come up with theories it's it's my job to collect the evidence and for the evidence to tell me what's
00:49:22
happening now now hold on a second I understand you're saying that because you want to seem like you're smart and
00:49:29
level-headed but the truth of the matter is that you have to collect evidence and
00:49:34
along the way you have to create different theories multiple theories based off of the evidence you're seeing
00:49:40
yeah based off the evidence but also maybe based off evidence you don't have yet and you have to come up with
00:49:47
multiple theories and then you have to go down those rabbit holes and and let the evidence tell you if it if that
00:49:54
theory is true or not in this case they come up with this theory that makes zero
00:49:59
sense because what we have what we have evidence of is this young woman making calls to the police saying that
00:50:10
she was sexually assaulted again I am sick and tired of let's just look the justice system doesn't take these
00:50:20
claims serious enough that's why she called the police department multiple times they should be saying you are
00:50:27
sexually assaulted come down to the station now we need to take this serious and then she's making claims to her
00:50:34
friends and now she's telling her stepfather now again we should take these claims serious because not only is
00:50:41
she stepping up to the plate which is so hard for these women to do but she's stepping up to the plate to
00:50:48
talk to police the police officers and law enforcement and that's frightening and again she's a young
00:50:56
woman and it's frightening to have to tell your stepfather frightening embarrassing whatever words
00:51:03
you want to use this is not somebody that um you know the it's just frustrating and well super
00:51:14
frustrating for a multitude of reasons but also frustrating in the sense that you're
00:51:21
telling the family that we don't want to work with you because we think you're covering something up
00:51:28
but but even though his wife even if that is their Theory Captain it doesn't appear that they were even investigating
00:51:34
or working on building a case around that theory they just weren't doing anything and having the excuse that The
00:51:41
Stepfather is a suspect was just that an excuse to not do anything to just sit on
00:51:47
our hands and not have to do anything when we already know that you had this great lead of there was something that
00:51:54
went down at that party that might have been a major ordeal and it happened very shortly before she went
00:52:02
missing that's a freaking lead yeah now now I wouldn't I wouldn't blame it so much if if the if
00:52:11
if the sexual assault charges were Against The Stepfather then you go okay well A to B we're looking into this guy
00:52:19
but that's not who the allegations were against it was about this party and I'm surprised these morons didn't turn to
00:52:27
the stepfather's wife ebby's mother and say collect evidence against him because he
00:52:33
collected evidence on everything else [Music] all right I'm looking at my phone I'm
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