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foreign [Music] on Tuesday August 28 2018 the Grafton New Hampshire attorney general issued a
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press release announcing the division of public protection the New Hampshire State Police and the Woodstock New
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Hampshire police were looking for a missing person 26 year old Trish Haynes was missing
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from the Grafton Danbury area the release was not specific about where or when Trish was last seen it said only
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that she had been seen in the general area in late June or early July senior Assistant Attorney General Jeff strelzen
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said quote I can tell you that a family member reported her missing she hasn't been seen or heard from in some time
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that's causing some concern that's why law enforcement is involved in fact Trisha's family had not heard
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from her since May 16 2018. they became very alarmed when her social security benefits checks were cut
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off and yet Trish remained missing they knew that she relied on these payments for her living expenses and the people
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she was living with they were very evasive when the family questioned where Trish was finally in early June her
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family reported her missing to the Woodstock Police it would be months before they would know Trish's fate and
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now three years later they're still waiting for justice for Trish this is true crime garage and this is the case
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of Trish Haynes people no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no Trish Danielle Haynes was born in Stuart
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Florida on July 22nd 1992. she was the daughter of Toby Dale Duran and Megan Beth Haynes Megan and
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Toby were teen parents and look it's not easy to raise a child and at their young
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ages and really where they were both at in their lives they decided that the best home that they could provide and
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best living situation that they could provide for Trish would be to be raised by her maternal
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grandparents Stephen and Sandra Tewksbury the family lived in Florida and moved to North Carolina for a short
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time and then moved to New Hampshire for a few years from when Trish was about 11
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years old until early in Trisha's high school years then they returned to the southern part of the country
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Trish loved fashion and dressing up she took pride in the outfits that she put together her favorite color was purple
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and she loved anything leopard print she listened to hip hop music and loved pizza and Red Bull she was also an
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animal lover and was very close with her family according to them Trish was a very loyal friend sometimes to her own
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detriment Trish was known by her friends and family as loving caring and trusting
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Trisha's Aunt Valerie Haynes Alvarez who has become an outspoken advocate for Trisha's case and whom my friend and
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helper Jess spoke with at length in regards to this case Valerie was also very close with Trish and was even
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present when she was born she described Trish to a reporter as quote a sweet girl who was a little misguided she was
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always looking for love in the wrong places and finding it Valerie said and according to Valerie Trish found herself
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in one bad relationship after another unfortunately Trish suffered two very serious concussions when she was a kid
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from two separate incidents one of which involved her getting hit in the head with a baseball bat and a
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completely separate situation Trish was also diagnosed with PTSD this came to be
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possibly from her being assaulted by a male friend of her mothers as a result she received disability checks and
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relied on these checks for her living expenses so being raised by her grandparents
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Trish was very very close with her grandmother Sandy Tewksbury there are many pictures of the two of
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them online smiling and hugging each other but Trish left her grandparents home in
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Florida in 2016 this at the age of 22. to move to New Hampshire to live with her boyfriend Chris Hughes in North
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Woodstock the two of them met while they were both living in Florida but now in our
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timeline Captain the two are living in New Hampshire they both had jobs at a popular restaurant called The Landmark
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and the owners being the nice people that they are allowed the two of them to live in an apartment in the restaurant
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building but Trish knew very few people in that area so she did not have a large support
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network and the relationship well it went South rather quickly Chris had served some time in prison and according
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to the family Trish told them Chris was abusive and the relationship was volatile and at times even violent there
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are several stories of varying types of abuse from this relationship one where Chris pulled a knife on her and once
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when Chris falsely thought that Trish had cheated on him he made her shave her head
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the restaurant owners Andres and Irene Childs who love Trish told her to get away from Chris but she didn't Trish
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ended up being arrested for domestic violence this is a charge that she pled guilty to and also obtained a
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restraining order against Chris when she tried to press charges against him for domestic violence he convinced her
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that that would mean that he would have to go back to prison so she recanted her
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report and then was charged with filing a false police report this whole thing really is just a big mess but then in
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October 2017 Trish moved back to Florida but she could not Escape prosecution on
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the false reporting charges and on December 16 2017 she flew from Florida back to New Hampshire to deal with her
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legal proceedings she stayed with a friend named Becky in North Woodstock for two weeks
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but Becky lived on a remote farm with no cell service and since Trish was always
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on her phone like most young people and had nothing to do this was not going to work for her yeah
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but better than being in a situation where you're forced to shave your head that is correct so in the beginning of
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January she asked Becky her friend to drop her off in Canaan and was picked up by two people this
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would be Ashley Smith and her husband Douglas Smith Jr they lived in Grafton New Hampshire Trish and Ashley were
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classmates during the years when Trish lived in New Hampshire in her early years
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according to Trisha's family back in grade school Ashley was the mean girl who kind of bullied Trish and Trisha's
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family did not approve of Ashley or her family but the two ended up connecting on
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Facebook now that Trish was back in New Hampshire and Trish well as we said Captain she needed somewhere to stay and
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she was only looking to be there temporarily because she has to go to these Court proceedings and get this
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part of her life over with and move on so like you were saying it seems like Trish was only planning to stay with him
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for a short period but her trial date ends up getting pushed back that's correct captain and
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this situation where she's going to be moving into and again just staying for a short time
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the home the Smith's home is located at 225 Main Street and the general plan was
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that she was going to live there for about two weeks or so and that would make sense because she's
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moving in with friend with her friend Ashley who is there with her husband and their five children so we're already at
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seven people in this house Trish is going to make eight but that two weeks turned out to be longer than that as you
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said this is in part because that court date got pushed from January to April so
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she would have to wait it out at Ashley and Doug's place from this point on Trish's family said that communication
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with her was spotty and unpredictable she told them that in early February her cell phone was lost or was broken so
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they could only reach her via Ashley's phone this was very strange at least the family thought conversations were few
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and far between and always relied on Ashley's cooperation they're going to have to go through Ashley's phone to
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talk to Trish she always seemed to be nearby Ashley did whenever they got Trish on the phone
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the excuse was that they had no cell service at the Smith's home and they had to be in town to get actual reception
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right and Trish was not very communicative during these conversations often cutting them short and waffling
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about what she was up to well and we know that she has a tendency to be able to be manipulated so you wonder if she's
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being manipulated by Ashley exactly or held down in some form or being abused or correct
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and because she had no phone Trish stopped posting on social media as well this would be something that she would
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normally do very frequently so this made it even more difficult for her family to keep regular communication with Trish
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and not really to be able to keep easy tabs on her at all again also in a lot of abusive
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situations it's divide and conquered divide the individual from friends and family time passed the family assumed
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that Trish had gone to her court date in April and then served the seven day sentence her lawyer had prepared her for
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but then Trisha's grandmother thought she would have heard from her you know after this seven day sentence
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as Trish was supposed to return to Florida after this is all over with but she didn't hear from Trish and she
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couldn't get a hold of Trish she couldn't get her on the phone even when she had a heart attack and was
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hospitalized at the end of April still couldn't get any communication with Trish but who had the heart attack
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Trish's grandmother who she was extremely close with and who raised her so finally her grandmother Sandy did
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manage to get a hold of Trish this again via Ashley's phone but this was only for
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a very brief conversation from what I've been told Captain the last time anyone in Trisha's family spoke with her was
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May 16 2018. so all right everyone make a mental note here May 16 2018. over the next month and a half so
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roughly over the next six weeks or so Trisha's mother and grandmother tried repeatedly to get
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Trish on Ashley's phone but they were told that she wasn't around or that Trish was too busy to take their call
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Ashley and her mother Wendy Place consistently told Trisha's grandmother that Trish had left and moved out and
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was living in Vermont with a new boyfriend that nobody had ever heard of but Trish was safe
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and she no longer wanted to have any contact with her family I know you mentioned this before but she's
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receiving checks for her disability what were the amount of those checks I do not
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know the amount of these checks but I know that it would have been enough for her to basically think about
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it as like a monthly stipend to to live and to eat and to survive you know so it
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would have been enough for her to rent a place to stay and enough to to get her by from month to month and I'm guessing
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these checks are going to Ashley's house where Trish was staying that is my understanding so Ashley is
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telling Trisha's family that Trish had a new boyfriend that she lives with him now and that Trish really no longer
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wants to speak with her family doesn't want to speak with them moved out of state to Vermont
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and then Ashley takes it a step further and says hey Trish even said that she hates you all
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so this is very unusual and her family frankly didn't really buy it but since there was no way to reach or
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get a hold of Trish they kind of just had to roll with it right the other weird thing here is that
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Trisha's family they didn't know Ashley's married name or the address where Ashley and her
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husband lived so they had very little information about these people at all yeah so trying to track down Trish her
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family got in touch with Chris they're actually reaching out to the ex-boyfriend the abusive ex-boyfriend
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thinking maybe Trish got back with Chris and she was just too embarrassed to tell
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her family yeah I wonder how that conversation went ring ring ring hey [ __ ] bag is our daughter there well look
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he might Chris might have like a grinch sized heart the small heart but he has some heart because he at least says he's
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upfront with them and says I've not heard from her and now I'm hearing from you guys that you can't locate her now
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I'm concerned as well how can I help right so in fact he even posted on Trish's Facebook page on her wall at one
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point where are you you know so now everybody's looking for Trish wow maybe not Ashley and Doug I at
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least give him credit for doing that in late May Valerie again this is Trisha's aunt
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called the Plymouth District Court and this is very concerning this is when the family goes okay major red flags
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here Valerie discovered that Trish never showed up for her court date in April again that's the whole purpose of her
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being in the state of New Hampshire to begin with this of course is very bad news her
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family was now left wondering if Trish was possibly on the run from the law so Trisha's grandmother finally got
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Ashley on the phone and told her that look if Trish didn't call them and tell them in her own voice that she was okay
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and was deliberately cutting herself off from the family when they well they were going to file a
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missing person's Report with the authorities with the police Ashley told them not to do that or they
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would never see Trish again she refused to answer any more questions texting that she just got out of a psych
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ward and couldn't deal with any of this and as everyone can guess Trish never called
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so following through Trish's family called Lieutenant Myler of the north Woodstock Police to report Trish missing
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in the first week of July 2018. Lieutenant Myler was the one dealing with Trish's court case so they
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were at least familiar with Trish and the family somewhat authorities had the idea to put a halt to Trish's Social
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Security benefits in an attempt to flush her out remember Trish depended on these
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disability payments when cutting off her income failed to make Trish reappear so
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to speak that is when it became very clear to all that something was very wrong thank you
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foreign all right we're back it's cheers mates cheers to you Colonel AKA the goat that is the captain there doing
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his best post Malone on the vocals kudos to you my friend tall cans in the air that is definitely not me so let's keep
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in mind at this point in our timeline Trish is missing and it's her family that discovers that something weird is
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going on they bring this to the local authorities because her family is not local well like you said not only is she
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missing from her family but this Ashley person that she was staying with is saying she's the only thing to do with
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you and and we're not going to tell you where she's at we're not going to give you any way to communicate with her and
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then she misses this court appearance which would give her a at least a bench warrant and but then the authorities
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like you said I think this is a great idea cut off her money because then she has to make contact
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with somebody correct she would have no way of really surviving financially unless she was able to latch on to
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somebody else or be dependent of someone else at this point so I'm guessing that the family would
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still be hopeful at this point the police just now catching this case are going to be looking for this young woman
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the police themselves were able to find some witnesses who said that they saw Trish at the 225 Main Street address in
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Grafton again this is the home of Ashley and Doug Smith and there are five children but that was in the spring
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and no one had seen her since mid-may one woman who said she met Trish at the house in the spring of 2018 her name is
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Faith Partridge she said that Trish was unkempt and unable to make eye contact saying quote she did not talk to me she
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always looked at the floor other witnesses that the family has been contacted by since Trisha's case went
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public have told them some very disturbing things there was another couple living with
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Doug and Ashley Smith at the same time as Trish how many people are living there
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right it's like 15 people this is Travis and Sarah Coulter and their two children
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it's like The Brady Bunch times two yeah so you would have five adults and seven
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children living in this home all at the same time and look I understand that people have to make uncomfortable
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arrangements or Arrangements at sometimes in their lives that are not the most ideal but I always thought that
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it's just a weird setup when I see multiple adults living with a bunch of kids it I've always just it's always
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been kind of weird to me do you mean it's like a little pedo filter no no no no no I don't mean that at all I mean
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it's just look I'm someone that that likes little kids and I can handle being around them for small doses five minutes
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right so a person saying yeah I'll I'll rent a room for you from you for 200 bucks a month oh but I have to live with
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your five children that always seems either a little desperate or a little weird to me right
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according to what the Haynes family has been told Trish was basically enslaved by
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at least the Smiths maybe all four of these adults taking care of their children cleaning the house and
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suffering all kinds of abuses like beatings and strange accusations Doug Smith is rumored to be a major drug
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dealer and the people he and Ashley were hanging around were not of the Savory type
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it seems Trish got caught up in this and because she needed somewhere to live and
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also wanted to be loved and needed she became dependent on the Smiths but Ashley was manipulative and vengeful
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and would accuse Trish of trying to steal Doug away from her and would tell others that Trish was sleeping with
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their men with the two men in the house it seems like Ashley was the one initiating some of the beatings and the
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abuses that were dealt to Trish people I mean let's face it nobody wants to sleep with Doug
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other than Ashley apparently nobody people who actually didn't even want to sleep with Doug people who saw Trish at
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this time well those who were willing to talk anyway say she was clearly being abused mistreated and
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victimized there is talk of her being beaten and emotionally exploited Faith Partridge remember we mentioned
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her before she's the woman who saw Trish and said she looked at disheveled so now
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we have the Brady Bunch and The Partridge Family okay this is a a witness says that her husband was at the
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Smith's home buying car parts and he said that he saw Doug Smith backhand Trish after they learned that Trish was
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missing what the [ __ ] the partridges went to the authorities and told them hey this is something that we saw
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another woman named Kayla Fife who was involved with Ashley Smith's brother Byron at one point told Trish's family
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that she witnessed The Smith's mistreating Trish and she said the Smiths and their extended family were
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very very bad people well after it Doug backhanded her and then The Partridge Family caused the police
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is there ever a report yes they filed a report of this but it was after Trish went missing okay another woman named
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Beverly told the family that Ashley and Doug abused Trish and they were taking her Social Security money and that they
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pimped her out to various men to quote earn her keep these people seem like they need to be set on fire and then
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we'll try to put them out with gallons of gasoline well the reason the attorney general made the announcement
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on August 28 2018 that they were looking for Trish the one that we read in today's trailer
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well that was because on that same day several law enforcement agencies began conducting some very public searches for
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the missing young woman these were not just the outdoor grid searches using volunteers that we have seen in so many
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other cases these were targeted search warrant driven official searches of specific
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locations where authorities had reason to believe Trish might be here's an excerpt from a news report
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that says quote Grafton authorities spent the day on Tuesday searching a residential property for signs of a 26
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year old woman who has been missing for about two months Trish Haynes who is five feet six inches tall and weighs 110
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pounds has brown hair and brown eyes New Hampshire State Police Major Crimes unit officials focused their efforts on
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a home at 225 Main Street and the land surrounding it the property is owned by Douglas Carpenter while he is the owner
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of this parcel which is valued at about 190 thousand dollars according to property records Carpenter's primary
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residence is listed as South Thompson Maine attempts to reach him were unsuccessful
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police deferred comment on whether anyone has been living at the property the house
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sits on 9.5 acres of land and has several outbuildings okay so this house that police are searching
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the 225 Main Street is owned by Doug Carpenter who lives in Maine this was the house where Trish was
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staying with her so-called friend Ashley Smith and Ashley's husband Doug and all
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those kids The Smiths rented the house from this Doug Carpenter the search of this home went on for
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several days and we now know that the police also searched two other properties that same week
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one was located at 608 wild Meadow Road and one was located at 91 French Hill Road
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both in Grafton population of Grafton 1400 people approximately by the way and all three properties were connected
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in some way to Ashley and Doug Smith per WMUR News Ashley Smith recently stayed in each one of those locations
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that's why they're searching all three of those properties and houses so what is the Smith's family's response
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to all of this Trish goes missing they're not looking so great well Ashley Smith told
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WMUR News quote I woke up to a knock on the door Smith said I was all excited about my kids first
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day of school getting them ready and a bunch of officers just showed up she spoke with the reporter about Trish
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whom she called her best friend and when she last saw her or heard from her quote
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it's been a while Smith said I'd have to say at least probably July or so June I'm not good with dates
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does she like to abuse all of her best friends Ashley told WMUR that she couldn't
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understand why investigators were questioning her adding hopefully Trish will see this and she'll come out and
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show the public that she's fine the reporter asked are you worried about her and she said I'm worried sick about
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her the reporter asked her are you worried about her and she said I'm worried sick about her do you find that
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to be a weird statement no I think she's just [ __ ] I think she's just reacting and saying what she
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would expect to hear or see someone say on TV if they were asked the same question yeah now we don't have really
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any information here Captain about what the police were looking for of course they're looking for Trish and probably
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some of her belongings but no specifics other than what our guesses would be as to what they were
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looking for at these three locations now if anything was collected or if anything of Trish's belongings
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were found on either of these premises or all or so on there's just no public information in
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that regard now this puts us to September 2018 in our timeline this is when the media reported that
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something was found in fact some large items were being removed from Grant's pond
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off of wild Meadow Road in Grafton remember we've heard that street name before this is 0.3 miles
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0.3 miles from the structure at 308 wild Meadow Road at that search location so not very far now members of the public
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said that they saw what looked like an old stackable washer and dryer being pulled out of that pond
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now unfortunately inside that washer and dryer in fact inside the washer body parts were found
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interestingly enough that Grant's Pond was searched because of a tip that police received from Sarah Coulter
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the woman who was living at the Smith's house with her husband and two kids right none of this was revealed by law
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enforcement at that time nor was it addressed that Trish's grandmother Sandy was asked to fly to
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New Hampshire to provide a DNA sample to help identify the remains that were found in the
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washing machine so so that brings us to an autopsy Captain well the family Malik
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time this was conducted by New Hampshire Chief medical examiner Dr Jeannie devoll
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using DNA The Remains were affirmatively identified as Trish Dr Duvall was also able to determine
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that the manner of death was homicide the autopsy was finalized in 2019 and estimated that Trish had died around May
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18 2018. so died around that date remember she actually had some contact with her
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family right around that same time but that's when they lost contact with her correct that's sad it's not really clear
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Captain to me how they fixed the date of death to that time of May 18 2018 my guess would be because you're you're
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refi you're finding some remains and not the body itself it would be difficult to
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put a date on it and really a date as specific as that or even around that specific time
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my mind goes to perhaps the Sarah Coulter tip told police either exactly or about when the washer
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slash dryer was removed from the home and dumped or possibly also last time she saw Trish that could be or it could
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be the fact that two men camping in the area later said that they witnessed someone dumping something large in
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Grant's Pond and maybe they remembered the date or about the date when that was that they witnessed that it's crazy the
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finding of the remains in the autopsy were all kept tightly Under Wraps as far as the New Hampshire authorities would
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discuss the case they were still saying Trish was a missing person for a while her obituary was not
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published until the second half of 2019. although family was informed by the Attorney General's office in late 2018
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that the remains found in the pond were Trish here is what Valerie later posted on the
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Facebook page that is dedicated to Trish Haynes this is quote her grandmother and I were sworn to
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secrecy in September 2018 when they knew Trish was dead but we could not tell anyone else that she was dead not even
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family members who continued to ask if we had heard anything and supposedly she was a missing person's case
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it was not until July of 2019 that we were forced to force the hand of the AG when we went
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to a TV station to complain about the lack of action on the case and lo and behold that very evening before my
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interview was to air the AG's office made a statement that went public first admitting it was a murder investigation
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end quote what was happening was eventually the rest of the family became impatient
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with the stagnant quote missing persons investigation about Trish and Valerie and Sandy the aunt and the
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grandmother were unimpressed with the fact that the murder was kept under wraps and the investigation seemed to
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really be going nowhere by that point we're talking about months and months and months since the time that they're
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told we found the remains of your loved one and we've confirmed that it was a homicide but we're still going to
00:35:19
pretend for the sake of our investigation that she's a missing person so they pressed the AG's office when
00:35:27
they gave an interview to WMUR News that we've spoke about several times already
00:35:32
so what happens here is wmr goes to the AG's office and says hey we've we've received this information from Trish's
00:35:42
family that gives the Attorney General's office the opportunity to put out that news release
00:35:49
stating that we've been looking for this person we've been looking for Trish Haynes right
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so their official news release stated the following this comes from the New Hampshire Department of Justice
00:36:03
which says Miss Haynes was reported missing last year she was last seen in the Grafton Danbury New Hampshire area
00:36:10
in May slash June 2018. since then authorities have been investigating the circumstances of her
00:36:17
disappearance during the course of the investigation human remains were discovered and Grafton New Hampshire
00:36:24
those remains were identified as the deceased as Trish Haynes Dr Duvall has also
00:36:30
determined that Miss Haynes was the victim of the homicide the circumstances that led to Mrs Haynes death are still
00:36:37
being actively investigated so Trish Haynes in 2018 she decides to move in with the Smiths for a couple weeks
00:36:45
because she has a trial that she has to appear at that gets pushed back to April
00:36:53
possibly push back again but it seems like and around May is when her family loses
00:37:01
all contact with her but before that we have months and months of suspicious activity where they're trying to get a
00:37:09
hold of Trish and they can really only talk to Ashley yes or Trish through Ashley right and as you said
00:37:18
communication was already difficult enough and then it seems to drop off completely
00:37:23
around that court date time period and they speak with her one last time and then later we're told that
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the medical examiner believes that the debt that the homicide took place in mid to late May of that year
00:37:42
which again would be right around that same time period when the communication dropped off completely right remember we
00:37:49
have Ashley now telling Trish's family look she moved to Vermont with some other dude we don't know really much
00:37:56
about it but she said she doesn't want to talk to you anymore she hates you she hates you yeah so
00:38:03
leave us alone because we don't know where she went 100 we can't help you out here
00:38:08
show's over there's nothing to see then on top of that now we're getting all these
00:38:15
people coming forward towards the family and saying look we we witnessed uh abuse
00:38:21
happening at the Smiths family house yeah while she was still missing before the remains
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were found we had some of those Witnesses going to the police because they're like oh wait this
00:38:33
we we were concerned about this situation before but sometimes you let you sometimes you try to stay out of
00:38:39
people's business a little bit and then when you hear that this woman has gone missing they did the right thing and
00:38:45
they went to police and say hey look this is something we witnessed fine there's some like you said huge red
00:38:50
flags you got Doug Smith AKA Doug dingleberry is reported to backhander in front of other people
00:39:02
I mean so so so now as far as abusers uh you know it seems to me that Ashley is an abuser
00:39:12
and Doug is an abuser as well and now we have the other couple that was living there
00:39:21
coming and and having their own statements or or at least Cooperative with police
00:39:28
yeah it's a very weird and strange situation but I also want to kind of underline this too a couple of things in
00:39:35
fact one from what I've seen what I've experienced when it comes to the cases that we've covered here in the garage
00:39:44
we talk about the situation of Doug backhanding Trish in front of Outsiders right people that don't live there
00:39:52
usually when there's signs of abuse like that in front of others there's much more going on behind the scenes worse
00:40:00
stuff yeah and a lot more of it and so that's of great concern number one but then
00:40:08
Factor this in go back to the family to Trisha's family who are actively looking
00:40:13
for her when she was still missing and then who knows if police think about that for a second
00:40:20
two family members were told that she was actually murdered and we found her remains some of her remains it's my
00:40:28
belief Captain there's a chance they were only told that because one of them had to submit their DNA so they could
00:40:33
test the remains to see if it was in fact Trish right then they swore those two to secrecy I
00:40:41
in part wonder if they didn't need the DNA to identify Trish if they were able to identify her on their own is there a
00:40:49
chance they wouldn't have told the family they were still behaving as this would be a missing person's case as far
00:40:55
as the public was concerned so much so that they told Grandma and the aunt don't tell anybody else in the family
00:41:00
that we found her remains don't tell them that it was a homicide can you imagine your family members even
00:41:07
extended family coming to you and asking you what happened to one of your family
00:41:11
members and you you have to lie to them or say I haven't heard anything for months for month after month after month
00:41:18
you're hurting and all kinds of emotional levels and you're not even able to tell these
00:41:25
people what happened to have them comfort you or to to talk about it together you're you're only you're forced to lie
00:41:33
to them yeah well I'm looking at this right now and just you think about the witness that sees
00:41:41
dug backhander and he he hesitates he does you have to react quickly because this is what can happen
00:41:53
you have to speak up when you see abuse if not you're just as bad as the abuser well you're giving you're giving them
00:42:04
more opportunity and like you said if this is happening in front of people in the public
00:42:11
imagine the torture that is happening right you know listen let's not sugarcoat it let's not even call it
00:42:17
abuse this is torture well and I want to be fair to to those individuals they did come forward they
00:42:25
did tell the authorities about that and we do not know the specifics the details
00:42:29
of that situation that man could have very likely stepped in and said hey don't do that again Doug yeah don't do
00:42:38
that again or I mean or he could have pulled her pulled him off of her we we don't know right right we don't know for
00:42:43
sure but if he went to police and they didn't act on it then it's like you know I'm just saying
00:42:51
when you see something say something well that's why they were searching those properties because they are police
00:42:59
are immediately suspicious of the Smiths once they've been able to confirm a couple things one Trish was in fact
00:43:07
living there there is that report that came in once she was publicly announced to be missing of that couple coming
00:43:14
forward and saying hey we witnessed some form of abuse and that's why they were searching not
00:43:20
only the Smiths place that they were staying at the time when Trish went missing but also these other two
00:43:25
properties because I think when they hear and get this legitimate look the person that comes forward has no dog in
00:43:34
the fight so you believe them you believe that they're saying oh I witnessed some abuse
00:43:40
right you're going all right well if they were abusing her or if or Doug or just one of them was abusing her
00:43:47
they may have done something horrible to this woman this is before you even know
00:43:51
she's dead may have done something horrible to her and they're hiding and concealing the body somewhere and so
00:43:57
let's search every property that we can tie the Smiths to now after that press release where the
00:44:05
police and the Attorney General finally admit that it was a homicide and that they found remains
00:44:12
the Valley News Press Assistant Attorney General Jeff strelsen about this case and straussen said there wasn't much he
00:44:21
could add publicly he declined to say whether authorities had identified any suspects in Haynes death
00:44:29
saying quote we don't typically name suspects that's all I'm going to say at this point
00:44:36
and quote but as we know Captain there were suspects and currently there still are suspects currently in 2021 there are
00:44:47
still suspects and several of them Trish Haynes was last seen in May of 2018. she
00:44:53
was reported missing there were crime scenes that were identified remains that were found in September of 2018 again
00:45:01
some of the family ordered not to share with other family members the findings and
00:45:10
throughout 2019 where we left off in our timeline there's no arrests made there's no new
00:45:17
leads doesn't appear to be any new evidence why what are they doing with this investigation
00:45:24
this murder remains unsolved the killer or killers have not been held accountable and as
00:45:33
you pointed out Captain this is abuse this is torture if these people killed Trish Haynes
00:45:42
I guarantee you the last days for her were tortured so much more to get to stick around till
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