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[Music] oh [Music] thank you Boardman Ohio in 1970 the suburb of Youngstown had a
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population of about 30 000 people and that population would grow to almost 40 000 by 1980.
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in the early 70s Boardman experienced what fortunately most cities and towns of its size rarely if ever experienced
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the homicides of three youths the victimology was similar three boys similar in age ranging from 12 to 15.
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all from similar neighborhoods and backgrounds and all three abducted or attacked while
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walking home as the sun was going down or shortly after all three cases are still unsolved
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two cases are considered to be very much cold cases the leads have seemingly dried up over
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the decades anything left open-ended it appears those options have only been left that way because they were looked
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at explored and examined and there either is likely one if not two results either no evidence to back the theory or
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we just can't put someone where they would need to be to have committed the murder or murders
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however one of the cases is still very warm and as we hinted at last week one of the cases may be getting warmer
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as we speak fifteen-year-old Thomas Baird was the first of three victims he was attacked on his way home
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and later succumbed to his injuries in December of 1970 he was found by a police officer
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having been badly beaten by an unknown assailant Thomas was placed in intensive care
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where sadly he passes away Days Later never regaining consciousness [Music] police were never able to question him
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about the attack that led to his death Brad bellino age 12 was abducted on the last day of March 1972.
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and he was killed after leaving his friend's house [Music] his body was not found until April 4th
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when a refuse collector spotted his feet sticking up in the trash in a collection
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bin behind some businesses in a busy section of Boardman the third Boardman boy victim his 13
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year old David Evans who goes missing on Friday January 17 1975. all signs point toward abduction
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his hat was found trampled in the snow at an intersection in his neighborhood just blocks from his home
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his lifeless body was found near an office building his little body frozen stiff
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sadly the boy died from his diabetes he was abducted and held somewhere and denied his much needed insulin shots
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regardless of how he died or the coroner's ruling he was murdered he was abducted and then died from
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disease as his captor denied him treatment and then his body was dumped of course the good people of Boardman
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could not help but think that these three murders may be connected maybe even committed by the same person
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or persons in fact even now 50 years later the case that is still showing promise
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of likely being solved the Brad bellino case detectives have openly suggested that a break or an arrest in that case
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may lead to much needed information and one if not both of the other homicides in early February of 1975
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just a little over a week after the Evans boy's body was found the Boardman chief of police received a
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letter mailed from the greater Youngstown area it was double stamped with the word
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important on the front of the envelope the single page handwritten letter reads to whom it may concern
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please don't let that man out of jail and Struthers as he is the one responsible for three
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boys deaths the one that was found along a street that bellino boy and Evan's boy
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that 11 year old girl would have been dead by now if he had gotten away with it Mister as you know one makes just one
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wrong move and gets caught these kind of men must be kept out of circulation now I cannot tell you who I am
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as I want to keep on living someone would kill me but if he is found guilty I will talk to
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someone and tell you how I know it may even come as a shock and I know you won't want to believe me
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the letter is signed please help save the children this is true crime garage [Music]
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last year in a four-part series we covered the Boardman murders still unsolved at that time over 50 years
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later in the cases of Thomas Baird and Brad bellino and coming up on 50 years of the David
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Evans case as well yesterday we covered the updates in the Brad bellino case and
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thankfully here today we have updates in the David Evans case as well well for our update we're going to go to The
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Vindicator and the David Evans case they have been on this case since the beginning they were the ones that
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actually printed the famous pictures of the dumpster behind the stores that's correct and we know how important it is
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in these cases for media coverage to get the answers and to find the persons responsible to
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keep these stories in the spotlight and keep them on the mines and in the hearts
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of the public who might be able to help law enforcement ultimately solve these cases and give these families some form
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of closure so we go to The Vindicator or to vindi.com if anybody wants to look this
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up and the headline of this article is cold cases cracked in Boardman killer of two boys
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and the article reads the previously unsolved murders of two young boys from the Boardman area in the early 1970s
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have been solved Ohio attorney general Dave Yost and Township Police announced during a news conference
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at the Boardman Township Government Center in the case of Bradley bellino who was 12 at the time of his death
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Boardman officials announced that he was murdered after extensive DNA analysis over the course of 50 years in 2001
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Bellino's clothes were sent to the Ohio Bureau of Criminal investigations forensic laboratory for testing a DNA
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profile was obtained from the evidence left on the victim and over the years that DNA profile was Advanced for
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checking against several suspects at the time all of which came back negative this is something that we talked about
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Captain when we did our coverage in 2022 we knew that in the Bolino case that they had a list of I believe 15 suspects
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right they have to make a short list of suspects I think they whittled it down to about 15 and of that 15 I believe
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they had tested nine DNA comparison over the course of the years between 2001 and
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then and leading up to actually solving the Bolino case in January of this year and a reminder police saying that no
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connection from the killer to Brad bellino so Joseph Norman Hill the perpetrator in that homicide was not
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one of those 15 suspects that they were looking to comparison test DNA against if I'm law enforcement I'm putting them
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on the list because again it's not the connection as far as like a friend or family connection the
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connection would be the community the connection would be the town well of course certainly he becomes a
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person of interest and a suspect in the David Evans case but he was not on that short list for the bellino case until
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the DNA evidence confirmed and led them to him earlier this year right the laboratory developed several different
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investigative Avenues including parabon Labs which we've discussed here on the show several times according to Boardman
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police chief Todd worth and with the assistance from the Lee County Sheriff's Department in Leesburg Georgia they were
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heavily involved in the scientific and forensic physical evidence angle of this investigation of
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recent the BCI laboratory of Ohio identified a DNA match that enabled the police department to recognize Joseph
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Norman Hill Senior as a person responsible for Brad Bellino's murder Hill who was 32 in 1972
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this article some new information here on Hill said that he lived it 151 Shadyside Drive in Boardman but moved to
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California around 1978 and died in 2019 for natural causes however on Thursday this was this is in June
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actually but they're referencing the Thursday those in attendance learn more about an additional case with similar
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circumstances to Brad bellinos three years after the abduction and death of Brad bellino 13 year old David Evans
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also of Boardman Ohio was reported missing about a mile away from Bellino's residence Evans was reported missing at
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midnight on January 18 1975 after his father told police that he was gone for most of the evening before he was
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diabetic missing for longer than six hours and later found Frozen lying dead on his back in the backyard of a home on
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Crestline Place in Boardman on January 23rd keep in mind some of this while it's while it's all
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true it may just be a different description of what we had previously the description we gave last year which
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seems to be accurate in my opinion was that he was found behind some bushes near a business because we know that it
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was a realtor in in his wife that reported finding the body after leaving their place of business on January the
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23rd that makes sense one day after his body was found former Mahoning County deputy coroner Dr William Johnson ruled
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that the investigation quote held no element of criminality and the immediate cause of death was due
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to diabetic coma according to the chief worth at the time several police officers from around the area felt that
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evans's death was a homicide and we went into those reasons why yesterday and in
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our original coverage last year and continue to pursue this investigation this death investigation
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as a homicide the autopsy also found that Evans showed fractures to his left radius and a puncture wound in
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his lower back that were suffered after he died the report also mentioned multiple
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abrasions on his face and upper part of his back but no blood or seminal fluid were found on his clothing
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after being reassigned the case Sergeant Michael Hughes and a gentleman who we spoke about yesterday
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Captain Albert Kasich met with current Mahoning County coroner David Kennedy who reviewed the case and determined
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Evan's cause of death a homicide due to his broken bones and post-mortem puncture wounds so this is our current
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day police in Boardman the current day detectives who then went to the current coroner all of these years later and
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said hey would you please review this file would you please review the report taken of where and how the body was
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discovered would you please review the report by the original coroner in the coroner's office so to be clear
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what we had we had referenced Dr David Blinky yesterday and in our original coverage and here this report States
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County deputy coroner Dr William Johnson ruled that the investigation quote held
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no element of criminality and the immediate cause of death was due to diabetic coma yes that's absolutely true
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but Dr David Blinky signed off on that ruling after the fact writing to be clear there's postmortem wounds
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correct so it's you know this kid goes into a coma right he didn't he didn't yeah he didn't go into
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a coma and die and continue to injure himself after after death and very rightfully so back then in 1975 again
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the police are telling the coroner no this is signs of a homicide this is signs that this kid died while being
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held captive by somebody after he was abducted and all of these injuries postmortem
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are due to somebody trying to cover up that crime trying to cover up can and conceal this body and get rid of his
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body after the fact right now current day after several DNA tests conducted by BCI on the clothing still
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in the police department's possession again kudos to Boardman for not giving up on this case this would have been a
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case easy to give up on when two coroners sign off on well he died of natural causes there's no element of
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criminality here in this case Boardman said nope and they never gave up on David evans's case just like they never
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gave up on Brad Bellino's case the clothing is still in the police department's possession they get it
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tested by BCI a profile contained in evans's underwear matched the DNA of Joseph Norman Hill Senior surprise
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surprise and confirmed his connection to the additional murder so regardless of how
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David Evans passed away to find this man's DNA in this kid's underwear to find this man's DNA on the
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person of Brad bellino who was killed three years before David Evans and I'll tell you
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look up a picture of these two boys if you want to do some further investigating some some further
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sleuthing these two boys you want to talk about a victim type yeah it's dark at night yeah they might
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have been wearing hats and but these two boys look like they could be cousins and another thing that's incredibly
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scary about this is look it's scary anytime somebody is is picking a child victim
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there's no greater loss of life than that no greater loss than this but Evans was 12.
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I'm sorry Ballina was 12 and Evans was 13 and again these two boys were small for their age and they looked much
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younger in my opinion than their than their age would indicate again crime of opportunity
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if you know you're going to try to abduct the child the smaller the child the easier it is probably to abduct them
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yeah and to look at where they believe that David Evans was last seen and his his hat his his
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winter hat being found there lying on the ground trampled in the snow that to me indicates that this kid was
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snatched somebody ripped this kid off the streets and put them in their vehicle and so you compare that we now
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know that the same guy did this murder as well you have to wonder did he do the same thing to Brad bellino three years
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ago did he did he did he snatch that kid rip him off of the streets pull him into
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his gold-colored Monte Carlo and drive off with him the article goes on and it again they're
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talking about the captain worth here who commended the Ohio Attorney General David Yost and
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Ohio BCI forensic scientist Erica Jimenez and Stacy Viola for their continued service and commitment to each
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of these cases the Bolino case and the Evans case quote a lot of different efforts went into that case not only the
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Boardman police department but a lot of different agencies that have supported us in that one end quote
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attorney general Dave Yost also praised the families of the victims and the team that worked on the second
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murder saying superheroes don't always wear capes sometimes they wear lab coats our
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role at the Attorney General's office is not to be in law enforcement it's to provide support Logistics expertise and
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forensics and so forth to help them do their jobs losing a loved one is tremendously difficult especially when a
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family has to wait over 50 years to actually get the answers that they always knew existed
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this is a quote from Mahoning County prosecutor and saying that David was the victim of
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homicide at the hands of Joseph Norman Hill Senior this is the same man who took the life of Bradley bellino many
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years ago investigating these cases is not easy and it actually was impossible until certain techniques related to DNA
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were developed and refined several years ago end quote so as the captain said when we let in
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here a bit of a side note kudos to to The Vindicator who covered these two cases
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from the very beginning and did gangbusters work on their continued coverage throughout the course of what
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amounted to over 50 years of media coverage in the homicide cases of Brad bellino and David Evans again at the
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time we didn't know if there was a personal connection between the Killer and Brad bellino
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but there was still some speculation that these crimes were connected yeah and that was certainly our belief as
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well and I was very happy that we were able to put our stamp on that because that that's something that
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people are kind of hemmed and hauled and limped in about giving their opinion on
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are any of these cases connected and it I thought when we reviewed them and looked at them very closely that the
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Bolino case and the Evans case looked very similar to me well the victimology seemed very similar
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exactly victim type they're both walking home they were both in neighborhoods you
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know we don't know exactly where unlike David Evans we don't know exactly where Bradley Ballina was picked up
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or pulled into that vehicle well what we do know is he was leaving Applewood acres and he was heading back to his
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neighborhood so they very likely could have been abducted in similar settings right at night time walking home a lot
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of similarities and then discarded of the even even the getting rid of the bodies very similar one in the dumpster
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one behind the bushes in in this area Town not far away from where Brad Bellino's body was found either
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I also go I might go a step further in question what else was done to David Evans we do
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know that this coma diabetic coma seems to have taken place but you know did Joseph Norman Hill did he learn anything
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by leaving that belt with the previous victim did he learn anything about what not to
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leave with the his next victim could that belt have made him nervous when he knew that the investigators were really
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honing in on that piece of evidence that key piece of evidence in the Brad bellino case
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the other thing when we're handing out Kudos here captain that gets lost in the sauce on this story
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is David evans's father unfortunately in the Bolino case the parents were not still alive to see
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their son's homicide solved and closed after all of those years and unfortunately in David evans's case
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we have the same thing while siblings are still alive we don't have the parents of David Evans
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to have seen this case closed all these years later and especially my heart breaks for his father so his father
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was one of the first to stand up with police and and maybe even encourage police to stand up
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at the beginning of the case and tell the corner no this there's something terribly wrong
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here this is a homicide we need to be looking at it as such investigating it as such and
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David evans's father never stopped fighting for his son he attempted to rally the troops time
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and time again he opened up his own investigation that lasted years he wrote letters to the mayor to the governor to
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the president of the United States on behalf of his son and his son's case trying to get this case
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right the ship and get it to be investigated as a homicide and we know that Boardman PD they were treating it
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as such all of those years but again limited on what resources they could pull in based off of the coroners
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conclusion and ruling and so David evans's father was even communicating writing letters to inmates
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looking for an informant looking for information about his son's murder meeting with with violent people and
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career criminals behind prison bars and in in rooms interviewing them conducting
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his own investigation this great man never gave up on his son and I would want nothing more than for
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his for him to have seen this to to witness that yes we we not only have changed our ruling
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all these years later but we also found the guy that was responsible and then you raised all these other questions
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right this just we had these questions when Joseph Norman Hill Senior was connected to the
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murder of Brad bellino but now you have to double down on all those questions he killed so he killed
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another boy the Bolino case wasn't just a one-off it was one of two it was one of how many
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you have to wonder at this point so he kills Bolino in 72 kills Evans in 75 and then in 1978 he moves from
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Boardman Ohio out to California and I don't have a list of everywhere that he lived during that time San Bernardino is
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definitely referenced by police in their information about Joseph Norman Hill but also they state that he lived in at
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least 14 different residences that they can find in the state of California and so you have to wonder
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who or if did he kill anybody before Brad bellino and who and if did he kill after David
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Evans and police were rightfully so we're now saying at this second news conference where they give us the
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information about David evans's death and their investigation into that homicide
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that we're not only looking for information on Joseph Norman Hill here in Ohio we're not only looking for
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information about him in California we are looking for information about him in All Parts in between
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the best price hello with you [Music] all right we are back cheers mates cheers to you Captain tall cans in the
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air tall cans in the air for the good people of Boardman and all the work that was put in to these two cases over the
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course of over 50 years to finally get them solved and get some answers and now left here with some answers but more
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questions you were talking about giving some kudos these are cases that are almost 50 years
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old for them to still have the evidence I mean how many cases are only 20 30 years old and they go well we think we
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lost the evidence in them in a move or there was a fire there's they come up with a lot of excuses why they don't
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have the evidence anymore yeah it's it's like that old story that you hear with the the records right like so you talk
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to a school an orphanage a church really any building and you always hear that story of well
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we kept the records in the basement and in 1997 there was a flood and we lost all the records
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um so it it happens in in all forms of of business and all forms of uh municipalities
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so yeah you're right kudos to them for still having the evidence in these cases but then
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we talked about how police stated that the facts of the Thomas Baird case they believe suggested that that beared
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case is much different than Bellino's case and evans's case now a couple things that we do know while we don't
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know a lot about Joseph Norman hill we do know that he was living in Boardman when Thomas Baird was killed in 1970. it
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seems like he had a stretch there for about six years or maybe what I can tell he may have grown up in the area
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um again they're still trying to piece together the timeline the Joseph Norman Hill timeline and put put him in
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different places and then examine any kind of cases that he could be connected to now we will hear from the experts we
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will hear from law enforcement that will say we're pretty confident that he's not
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responsible for any other murders in this area uh before leaving for California what
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they're not confident in is in is once he left Ohio but I want to throw this out there
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because I had I was able to team up with a couple of people and I want to give some shout outs here first up a shout
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out to Carolyn Bernardino she wrote a fantastic article on the Boardman murders case for the porchlight
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project years ago and it's up on porchlightonline.org if you want to go there and read her article I highly
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recommend it it's one of the best articles about the Boardman cases and also she's a local so she discusses what
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a lot of the suspicions were at the time even the local rumors at the time who could be responsible for the murders of
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these three kids so I spent a lot of time speaking with Carolyn and also a lot of time speaking
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with my friend Brian Smith the reason being is Carolyn was able to provide True Crime garage with the David Evans
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case File police case File and she provided that to us and I mean that that's big for us to be
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able to get a hold of a case File it happens maybe a dozen times or so to get a complete case File like that the David
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Evans case same as the Brad bellino case it didn't go unsolved for a lack of effort it didn't go
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unsolved for 50 years due to a lack of effort right it's just a lack of technology and I can tell you that
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having reviewed that file so I called upon Carolyn and and Brian to help me review this file
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and track down any possible leads in it when this case was still unsolved because that case File 400 Pages
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approximately filled a lot of them with vehicle descriptions possible suspects and things of that
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nature and some of those suspects looked really good and now we sit here and we know that Joseph Norman Hill was
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ultimately responsible for not only the David Evans case but the Brad bellino case
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so I don't know that I'm so quick to say hey we're confident that he wasn't responsible for anything else and I also
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want to throw this tidbit out there when we were reviewing that file and when we were reaching out to other
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people involving the bellino case and mind you we're reviewing this file before any of these cases were closed
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reaching out to other people about the Bolino case and even the beard case because the beard case while we had
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always heard this story that police think it was he was jumped by a group of kids from from another high school on
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his way home that there was some kind of kerfuffle that broke out at the skating
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rink and then he's on his way home and they must have attacked him one piece of information that we came
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across that makes you really wonder what happened is we found in the police report that
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when Thomas Baird was found having been beaten severely that his his pants were either off or
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down around his ankles right was it clear whether or not he had a belt or not that's a good question
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um I we might have to save that for off the Record because when I'm driving to the garage this morning that's what
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popped in my mind I'm like what can I find you know I wish I had brought that report with me to review
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for you because I can't remember if they they mention a bell or not but what stood out was
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the pants down around the ankles or or completely removed or in the process of being removed because we know that the
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Abduction of David Evans the murder of Brad bellino were sexually motivated homicides by Joseph Norman Hill Senior
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I'm not saying that a group of kids or older boys didn't attack Thomas Baird I'm not saying that what I'm saying is
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it's confusing for me and it's difficult for me to wrap my head around the idea that they beat this kid up and then
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pulled down his pants well I agree and but I also disagree because if these kids were trying to
00:38:31
they were trying to humiliate him that's one thing right I get it I get that but
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what I'm saying is we know that these other two homicides a child homicide in Boardman Ohio in the
00:38:43
70s extremely rare extremely rare and we now know that two of the three cases are
00:38:48
100 connected the same perpetrator involved sexually motivated homicides of a child
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I just I'm not trying to sell it to anybody but I'm saying until the evidence tells us otherwise we should
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not completely disregard the idea that maybe Joseph Norman Hill came across Thomas Baird on his way home walking by
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himself picks him up or gets him into his vehicle and somehow a fight breaks out between
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the two of them or Thomas Baird decides to defend himself and he's larger than Brad bellino larger than David Evans
00:39:28
older maybe puts up a a better fight if you will and that this is the end result
00:39:37
I don't think we can just disregard that and to say to that we have the information now that we know that Baird
00:39:46
was able to communicate with the investigators not verbally but communicated that yes
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he knew his attackers or knew his attacker you talked about it the connection before we knew from science and from DNA
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that it's the same perpetrator is the area could Joseph Norman Hill have known Thomas Baird did Thomas bear get into
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his vehicle because he knew Joseph Norman Hill so I wouldn't I wouldn't go be so fast
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to disregard that what's very interesting to me though Captain is as soon as the bellino case was cold it was
00:40:25
closed with this evidence they immediately jumped back on the horse and went after the David Evans
00:40:32
case right so you have to wonder if they have DNA in the beard case you know what they're doing right now
00:40:39
they're working that beard case and it could be any day that we find out who's responsible for the murder of
00:40:47
Thomas Baird Joseph Norman Hill or otherwise well obviously with these developments in
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these cases we're going to have statements from law enforcement yes both the the current uh prosecutor and the
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Ohio attorney general had very interesting comments about closing out the David Evans case and some of this
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will Echo statements that were given in the Bolino case here we have the Mahoning County prosecutor stating quote
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I was comfortable we would end up getting an indictment if Mr Hill was still alive this in regard to the David
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Evans case so two cases where she is confident that they would get an indictment from a grand jury and then we
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have Boardman police Sergeant Mike Hughes who's talking more about 1975 and the community at the time he's
00:41:37
saying we had two young boys dead Hugh said that in the case File on David Evans it indicated a large
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amount of panic at the time in the township and after having reviewed that file I can say 100
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yes that file had portions of it a decent percentage of that file was filled with letters that were to either
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to the newspaper or to the police pointing the finger at other people or saying look what what what do we have
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here what's going on in our community it's not safe for my children to play outside anymore the prosecutor goes on
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to say quote Mr Hill ruined So Many Lives I only wish that he had lived long enough to have been brought to Justice
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and then David Yost said the investigation has conclusively linked both homicides to Joseph Norman Hill in
00:42:33
both cases the Mahoning County prosecutor's office determined that the forensic evidence would be sufficient to
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present the cases to a grand jury for indictment if Joseph Hill had remained alive quote while Hill cannot fully be
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held accountable for these horrendous crimes our hope is that after almost 50 years knowing who is responsible for
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Bradley and David's deaths can bring some sense of closure to the families and friends
00:43:02
yoast called Joseph Hill a serial killer and said that other victims are being sought
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well this can take some time because again he moved to different locations and you're going to have to go through a
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pretty large part of his life I I don't believe he just started killing people at the age of 30. yeah he would have
00:43:25
been 32 when bellino was killed and one thing that the the data tells us and this is this is not the biggest of
00:43:35
sample sizes I think this is across maybe 90 serial killers or so and of course throughout history in the United
00:43:42
States there's been unfortunately more than 90 serial killers but the data in that sample size tells us that the
00:43:51
average age that a serial killer starts killing is in their late 20s and that the
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average age of an active serial killer before being caught or killed or before they stop the few that do stop
00:44:09
would be their late 20s so we're talking 25 to 29 or 30. is that prime meridian age that we're
00:44:20
looking at and so this could be two years four years seven years before we know that Joseph Norman Hill
00:44:29
Senior killed anybody and the thing is too that I wouldn't just because we have two boys
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here given their young age and and their very young appearance I wouldn't limit my investigation to
00:44:43
just males I think you have to look at any potential young girl victims too and unfortunately we sit here we're a
00:44:55
month away from them closing David evans's case scratch that a month and a half almost two months away
00:45:02
and we still know very little about Joseph Norman Hill's life and part of that is
00:45:08
any children that he has I know I kept saying that he has one child I believe it's you know it's been reported that he
00:45:15
has one child and that seems to be very accurate from everything I can find but that relationship was estranged for for
00:45:22
many many years on top of that the person that likely knew him the best who may have been fooled by him just
00:45:29
like the rest of us would be his wife and his wife unfortunately passed away in 1993. so any suspicions she had or
00:45:37
any blanks that she could fill in for us we don't have that resource to go to right I sit here and I don't think that
00:45:47
this guy does two of these and maybe maybe he moved out to California and started Anew maybe he said I'm going to
00:45:53
walk away from this life and I'm never going to do this again but he wasn't able to stop himself on that night in
00:45:59
1972 and he wasn't able to stop himself again three years later in 1975. so when did he start when did he stop
00:46:09
and then the other troubling thing is his occupation we don't get a lot of information about this occupation I've
00:46:15
done some digging on this and the information is just not there that he drove a truck for a bottling company for
00:46:21
a bottled water company further digging actually says that he he may have been delivering produce at the same time or
00:46:29
delivering produce uh at other times in his life so he had a job that put him out on the road what
00:46:36
were those routes how far did those routes go were they limited to Boardman or Youngstown or that general
00:46:43
area or did they go outside of those areas and when was he not prowling for a victim you don't just shut this thing
00:46:50
off you don't just say you know what I stay pretty busy between 8 AM and 4pm I don't abduct kids during those times
00:46:59
you don't just shut these things off and the scary thing is we've you know this Captain we've seen at
00:47:05
times this guy looks like a normal dude he looks like a normal guy that you would see out washing his car in the
00:47:11
driveway in your neighborhood and would probably say hi to him and probably say hi back he looks like a normal friendly
00:47:18
guy and if Brad bellino was hitching a ride that's probably why he got in the car with this dude because he looked
00:47:23
like a normal regular guy but it wasn't he's a serial killer exactly yo said it we're saying it and like David Yost and
00:47:35
the police chief for Boardman said we need to find out more about this guy for the state of Ohio his time in
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California and all parts in between who holds you love you [Music] well it's such a privilege that you join
00:48:05
us here each and every week and it's a privilege that we're able to have some positive updates on these
00:48:12
cases yeah it's so rewarding and I hope it's equally rewarding for the listeners
00:48:17
because you're a part of all of this when we can review a case and then later it gets solved yeah it's
00:48:25
I mean there is a weird sense of satisfaction for us here in the garage and I hope that you
00:48:32
all feel it too and while we don't sit here and pretend that we had anything to do with the solving of either of these
00:48:38
cases we cover these stories our job is to stir the pot keep them in the spotlight
00:48:43
and we wouldn't be able to do that without the audience and so just it's another good day here in the garage so
00:48:50
many of the cases that we've covered have ended up being solved and even solved relatively quickly after our
00:48:57
coverage so really good news for the people of Boardman I know that this has haunted many of them for so many years
00:49:05
and the families and unfortunately the the parents not being around to see the the resolve
00:49:11
in both of these cases so we have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners this week we do Captain this
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week we will be recommending a novel this is Nosferatu by the great Joe Hill and side note not the Joseph Hill that
00:49:28
we've spent the last two hours talking about here in the garage we have author Joe Hill this is a novel
00:49:34
Nosferatu is a dark fantasy horror about a woman trying to save her son from a vicious Supernatural killer his name
00:49:43
Charlie manx the third who kidnaps children across the country in his 1938 Rolls-Royce Wraith normally Captain when
00:49:52
we recommend something other than True Crime it is for those looking for a little escape from the heaviness
00:49:59
and the Heartbreak of true crime stories but this one reads very much like a supernatural crime and murder fiction so
00:50:06
this recommendation is more for those looking for a dark Journey with hints of True Crime so check out Nosferatu that's
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Nas the number four the letter A the number two by Joe Hill you don't have to write that great title down right now no
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because we will have it listed on our recommended page on True Crime garage go there and find a lot of other wonderful
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recommendations as well and until next week be good be kind and don't litter [Music]
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thank you [Music]