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foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] welcome to True Crime garage wherever
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music for us Captain yeah some people keep asking me uh who did the music on that one as the captain is that still
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the captain that's my job well that's enough of the business let's get to the trailer everybody gather around grab a
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chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime foreign [Music] [Music] looking in our Direction but we could
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see the light and so we kind of quieted down and snuck up a little bit closer to
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see what was going on and there was five individuals standing on the tracks one thing that struck with curiosity is at
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the time my mother was dating an attorney named Dan Harmon I knew him well enough to recognize him
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there were two more individuals that a few minutes after we got there we're walking down the road tracks that had a
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rifle I'll look to be a flashlight there were more or less kind of minding their own
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business and when they realized someone else was on the tracks they stopped and it was fixing to turn around when
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someone or Danny motion for him to come closer over to where they were they hesitated and
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eventually ended up walking on towards the rest of the group why my head was turned I heard what
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sounded like a gunshot I saw a flash as you would expect with a gunshot at night
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we were pretty much terrified and [Music] other Witnesses corroborated that evidence
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[Music] thank you [Music] this is part two of the boys on the tracks case Captain should we do a
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little recap last time on True Crime garage in the early morning hours of August 23
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1987 this is in Bryant Arkansas two boys were laying motionless on the train tracks and they were passed over by the
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train the investigation of their deaths falls into the jurisdiction of the Saline County Sheriff's office now that
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investigation has been called botched at best and where it picks up from there the medical examiner this is Fami Malik
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he takes over the case and he has to investigate his ruling on the cause of the boy's deaths he's going to claim
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that the boys were high on marijuana and they passed out on the train tracks then
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the train came and ran the boys over and that's the cause of death ruling it in accidental death you're exactly correct
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exactly so the parents of the two boys are obviously dissatisfied with the sheriff's investigation as well as the
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medical examiner's findings so they schedule a press conference and it's after this press conference that a
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grand jury is established and the grand jury decides that they review the they review the evidence and they decide that
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the cause of death might not be accidental that it's a possible homicide and they're going to call for a second
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autopsy after the grand jury successfully got the latest autopsy this was conducted by well-renowned
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pathologist Dr Burton now remember he was from out of state he was actually from Atlanta because they they needed
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not only fresh eyes on this but they needed someone that would not have connections locally or at the state
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level but also at the time Atlanta and Dr Burton had access to better technology this is going to change their
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findings of the death not being accidental but by being murdered yes let's let's say correcting right because
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they they just got it wrong from the beginning so from a possible homicide to a definite homicide side and because the
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grand jury and the change in the correcting of the rulings of death the investigation was then transferred to
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the jurisdiction of the Arkansas State Police I say that because it's not only important to the telling of this story
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but in today's episode we will be reviewing some statements that have been taken from the Arkansas state police
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files from their investigation into the murders of sixteen-year-old Don Henry and 17 year old Kevin Ives this new
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investigation team has an uphill battle because from the get-go it should have been investigated as a homicide but it
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wasn't and they didn't do the due diligence and it was disinvestigated as a traffic death correct and we even
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discussed items that they failed to collect at the scene that may have had value towards pointing towards any kind
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of of evidence and before we get to the timeline we need to kind of discuss what
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was going on in the drug community in this town cocaine and Other Drugs were flowing into the city of Little Rock
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Arkansas and the smaller communities that surrounded it as well this is coming from Central America via the
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freeways that connected Miami Los Angeles and Dallas but they were coming in by all forms of transportation by the
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time of 1987. the movers would Place cocaine on trains and it would be dropped at designated drop spots this
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was also coming in by airplane as well and not too far from the tracks where the boys were found there's an airport
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called the Mena airport and this was known by many to be trafficking drugs planes were landing near the airport
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under the cover of night without using their lights they were Landing sitting briefly and taking off again without
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cutting off their engines the state police was aware that this was going on so to combat this they started parking
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Vehicles near the airport well the airplane started adjusting what they were doing they picked out different
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locations and now rather than Landing they were just kind of buzzing the fields getting real low about 100 feet
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off the ground and dropping things from the planes obviously we have Kevin Ives and we have Don Henry those are the two
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boys that were found on the tracks but now let's get into some of the other key players yes the first person that we
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will introduce is a man by the name of Jeff Rhodes he's a young man that was interviewed by investigator Don Birdsong
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and this is from the state police files birdsong's report this is with an interview with a young man that Birdsong
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does not identify in his notes but his notes state that the Wednesday before the boys were killed someone had
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contacted this man looking to buy an ounce of cocaine this being possibly roads the buyer this guy was unable to
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obtain the cocaine so he contacted Don Henry Don and Kevin met with the buyer and they said that they could get Coke
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from Don's connections now this connection is not mentioned as well well and mind you that Don Henry was 16 years
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old at this time in another interview with the state police this is with Don Henry's sister gala gala stated that Don
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had been at the home of a alleged drug dealer to purchase marijuana on the Thursday or Friday before he was killed
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she had also heard Don say that he knew quote the ultimate dealer unquote he didn't give a name to this person but he
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said that the dealer worked out of Little Rock Arkansas one we have evidence that the boys were smoking pot
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so they got to get that from somebody I've been on pot runs right so you go into the house just because the guy
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sells maybe all he does is sell pot but he might sell other things in another statement this is from Chris Ballard who
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was at one time married to Don's sister he says that he saw Dawn on the Thursday
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before Dawn's death Don said that he was going to steal some cocaine Chris also said that Don had mentioned something
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about this ultimate guy working out of Little Rock Arkansas and one of the investigators notes this is investigator
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Don Birdsong these were entered into the file in the summer of 1989 and this is in regards to a conversation with a
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confidential informant stating that Don and Kevin had overheard a phone call between the dealer and an unidentified
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individual about a large drug drop near the area of the train tracks Sergeant Barney Phillips interviewed a friend of
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Don and Kevin's and said that the night that they had died he was at a party at a mobile home and the two of them
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dropped by before leaving this party he said that they had told him that they were going to go get some cocaine so
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they could sell it and make a bunch of money now let's introduce Keith Tony Keith Coney is a young man he's a an
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acquaintance of Don and Kevin's Keith's mother Betty Alexander reported to a drug task force officer that her son had
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told her that he knew something about the Ives and Henry deaths but he wouldn't explain to her what Now Keith
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would go on and tell his father and some of his friends that he had been out that
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night with well unless you know not to interrupt but he was pretty close with his mother he was afraid to tell her
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correct yes like severely afraid but in a moment and he I think he was afraid to
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tell his father as well it wasn't like he just came out with this information old willy-nilly no he wasn't just
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running around town telling anybody that would listen uh this was something that
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he was it was burning inside of him but he was afraid to talk about it but I also think possibly you know having been
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in that father role that if if my son you know my stepson would have said I know something but I don't want to tell
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you I would have made him tell me you know because because I can't I can't try to protect you if I don't I don't know
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what you know yeah yeah well Keith had told his father and he had told some friends that he had been out that night
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with Don and Kevin this is being the night of their deaths and he stated that they were out near shobe Road uh where
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they were approached by two police officers in a vehicle okay now at this time Keith is on his motorcycle at this
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point and he states that he fled the scene and he believed that the boys were attacked and possibly killed by those
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two police officers so he saw them being attacked and he fled the attack yeah he
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was he was hanging out with the two boys and as the officers approached he he took off he got out of there months
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after having telling his father about the story involving the Police Keith Coney's mother Betty Alexander she's at
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the local prison visit visiting her other son Eugene Coney now while she's there she meets a man by the name of
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Mike crook Mike crook is a former manager of Gigi's which is a nightclub on the county line Mike had told Betty
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about a Gigi's customer who frequented the club and an incident that the customer had said he had seen at a small
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grocery store near shrobe Road this is located in the general area of the train tracks where the boys were found on the
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night of their deaths he was parked at the store close to the railroad tracks waiting for his wife that's what this
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statement says there's actually another statement that says he believed that his
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wife was running around on him so he had parked there hoping to catch her in the
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act of being with a boyfriend or being with another man could you imagine just sitting out in a parked dark car
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waiting for your significant other to possibly be with somebody else I wouldn't waste my time yeah I think
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that's that's good I wouldn't waste my time well while the man is there and crook will refer to this man as Jerry
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and he says that Jerry saw three teenagers one of them was on a motorcycle and then he saw two officers
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arrive at the scene these boys were there smoking pot is what he believed that they were doing so one could assume
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that that is Keith Cooney on his motorcycle and that is also Don and Kevin and they're all kind of hanging
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out smoking a little pot yes yes crook would say that Jerry does not identify the boys by name but he did in telling
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crook the story he did say I believe that two of those boys could have been the boys that were found that night well
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right but this is disproven that his story makes a lot of sense with Keith's story
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Jerry then sees what he believes to be a police car pull-up and at this time he says that one of the boys hops on the
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motorcycle and takes off now some kind of interaction goes badly between these police officers and the two remaining
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boys and he sees that an altercation breaks out and during the course of this he basically says that he sees the
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police officers beating the [ __ ] at the remaining two boys and afterwards they
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throw the kids into the back of the patrol car the man Jerry he tells crook this story back at Gigi's Nightclub at
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some point and after discussing the story crook tells him you know what that's probably you're probably right
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those are probably the two boys that were found that night and you really should report this now Jerry was a
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little hesitant to do so because he saw police officers what he believed to be police officers you know abusing some
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citizens right right and so he convinces Jerry to report this Jerry does go and report this situation to the Sheriff's
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Office uh Jerry is immediately thrown in jail uh he's thrown in jail for back child support and they keep him in jail
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for the mandatory sentence of 90 days that he was to serve after the 90 days this Jerry person immediately leaves
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town now why do we keep referring to him as Jerry well it's because Crook in the
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statement refused to name the guy right just stating that his name was Jerry and
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he looked he looked kind of Mexican was the best description that he would give about regarding Jerry yeah well I think
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his real name was sketchy Jerry well we're going to follow that up with another statement and this is from a man
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named Ronnie Godwin now Ronnie Godwin according to his statement he had been at Gigi's nightclub uh for about three
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or four hours the night that the boys had passed away this is a happening place he said that he had had seven or
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eight beers there before he left and he left around midnight uh when he was driving home he was driving down highway
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five he turned down County Line Road and then he turned right on to 111. as he approached shrobe Road he saw an
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unmarked police car he said it was either tan or gray but it had three antennas police hubcaps and spotlights
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on it uh instead of turning right onto Shrub Road towards his home wait hold on which could be like a detective car yes
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yes because a lot of times like we we live in a pretty small town and when you see well well why do you live north but
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um you grew up here and you know you see these cars you have your the police cruisers and then sometimes you have the
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sheriff cars or you have like maybe a chief of police car but then you also have these detective cars they're pretty
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easy to spot tinted windows a bunch of antennas yeah well after seeing the vehicle he decided to go straight to
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avoid being noticed instead of turning towards going to his home he had been drinking obviously that 90 said seven or
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eight beers and he was concerned that he was going to get another DWI had they spotted him he would eventually Park his
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car and shut off his lights but when he was near shrobe Road dark canoe he saw two cops with two boys uh his first
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thought was that the police may have caught some boys trying to break into the store that was in the area one of
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the boys was described as being taller than the other and more heavy set and this boy had light colored hair this boy
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had been shoved up against the phone booth by a larger cop we can assume at this point the teenagers that they're
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pushing up against this pole would be Don Henry he during this altercation he believes that he sees one of the
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teenagers being hit with something in the head and this was near a phone booth so he wasn't certain if it would have
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been the receiver from the phone uh that would would have been from the phone booth or if it would have been a larger
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item it's you know it's dark out he's got his lights off but he sees the one boy being hit in the head and remember
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in the autopsy was the whole skull fractures and he also says that he did not believe or did not see the boys to
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be resisting in any form that these guys were just going after these kids right these guys guys were just getting their
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ass kicked the second boy he saw there was an officer standing over the other teenage boy who was kneeling and on the
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ground but he had his head down and he couldn't really make out whom the kid was after this all took place he said
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that he saw the two officers throw the boys into the back seat of their vehicle he then sees one of the officers grab
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what he believes to be a rifle and throw it into the car as well the officers then get into the vehicle
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and they take off he says that they make a turn and he noticed that they went onto a road that that is a dead end he
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lost track of their lights so at some point he believes that they may have turned off to the left
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he was obviously concerned about this situation and a bit scared but he's still also watching out for himself he's
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still worried about that possible DWI right and so he decides that since nobody noticed him there he knew that
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these officers would have to turn around at some point because it was a dead end
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and he was worried that they could come out at any second so he decided to still
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lay low there and he said it's probably about 15 or 20 minutes went by before he
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sees the vehicle drive by again he did not notice if the boys were still in the vehicle at this point Ronnie Goodwin
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estimated that all this took place around 2 or 2 30 a.m that night the night that the boys were found on the
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tracks right now this is interesting here Captain we have a couple of stories that seem to be lining up with one
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another we have we have their friend Keith Cooney who states that he left because police officers drove up scared
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him off and he believed that there something happened right there the police officers and the and the boys at
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least a confrontation so we have that story then we had the unknown Jerry person and then we have this Ron Goodwin
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come from Shady Jerry yeah yeah well the thing here is the state the state police
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officers during their investigation they believed because this Ronnie Goodwin story was so similar to the story of
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this unknown Jerry person that who did his name right they had moved out of the area they believed that Jerry and Ronnie
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Godwin were one of the same and the thing here is when they approached Crook and and they asked him
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you know here here's the guy that we believe this Jerry person is can you confirm this or deny it right he States
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very matter-of-factly this is not the person that I'm talking about I I still refuse to give his name but this is not
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the person that that I was describing in a sense it's almost like they're trying
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to minimize the idea that there was police officers involved you know I mean like well we got three
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stories right now that they all kind of line up but uh we're thinking that you know guy a and Guy C are the same so
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really they only have two stories that line up or possibly it could be the exact opposite though maybe they're
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trying to corroborate this Godwin story right and and and just go to him and say
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okay now we know you told somebody else about this and we believe you even more um I mean it really could go either way
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which does make some sense because he was coming from the bar so that would you know put two and two together
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there's a lot of things that line up there but there's probably more than one person leaving that bar that night
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correct yeah well now we have three stories so let's get to the fourth story this is going to come to us by Tom
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Newhouse not to be confused by Tom old house but this is the guy that was hiding in the bushes Tom Newhouse is not
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introduced into this whole thing until around 1993. this is when a friend of Kevin
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Ives reaches out to Lynn Linda and he says that he knows a boy that's now 18 in 1993 that had seen some things that
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took place that night and he wanted to put her in contact with this boy this boy didn't want to talk to anybody but
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he thought that maybe if Linda talked to him that he would he would feel the urge
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to come forward with this information having meeting one of the one of the victims so he puts the two of them in
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touch together what made him the victim's mother correct and so Tom Tom tells this story that he is out the
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night that the boys are found and he was out with a couple of his friends they were out in the area of the tracks and
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they were looking for marijuana plants and they were goofing around and just you know just kind of being out in the
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middle of the night you know doing weird stuff well yeah well and we kind of talked about this like when we're kids
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the whole thing was especially around the summertime was you might if you could camp out in the backyard that you
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might go like do some pranks right you might a toilet paper somebody's house you might pee in somebody's mailbox
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stuff like that uh inappropriate not nice stuff but the the best was good for the toilet paper manufacturers well good
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and bad because yeah but uh but it was always weird to me it's like you'd be walking to the neighborhood and you
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might have a couple buddies with you and then all of a sudden you see another group of people from your high school
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and they're out doing the same thing did it ever happen with you once happened once yeah but it like freaks you out so
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it kind of similar thing where you have this one group of boys out we're not for sure what they're doing
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yet they can claim that they're hunting and then you got this other set of kids out and they're maybe looking for pot
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just kind of looking around yeah well and you know what happens Captain if you're out at night and you're a kid in
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the dark and you see some lights headlights or a light turn on you you what do you do you duck and you hide and
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these kids Tom and these other kids they see Tom would have been 12 at the time right and they see a light and they
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decide to duck down and they're going to kind of observe what's going on and they
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see three men on the tracks and he he very outwardly describes these guys as men and during this time he also sees
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two other figures approaching now Tom and the other kids they kind of move up and try to get a little closer to the
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situation to see what's going on now they're intrigued right and he sees that the men are trying to engage the other
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two figures they're kind of calling out to them and telling them to come over and talk to them this is the boy that we
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heard in the trailer correct yeah and he says that the boys seem he describes these other two figures as as not grown
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men as possible teenagers he states that the teenagers didn't seem to be they didn't want to go over and talk to the
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men they were very reluctant to do so at some point though they get must have been convinced to do so because then
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they start walking over towards the men now at this point Tom is ducking down and he's kind of hiding because he sees
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several flashlights at the time and he hears what he believes to be a gunshot go off like he said in the trailer he
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kind of looked away and then but he also saw the flash of the gun saw the flash of light now he cannot say whether that
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gunfire came from the teenage boys or from the three men that he had already seen on the tracks what he does say
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though is as soon as they hear that him and his friends decide to take off and flee the area one the thing is that he
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recognizes one of the guys on the tracks yes and and why does he recognize one of
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them well I he claims that his mother was seeing an attorney in town and that attorney was on the train tracks and
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that man is Dan Harmon and where do we know that name from Captain well he was the prosecutor that we had talked about
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in episode one right that was involved in the case of the death of the two boys so get your head around this right this
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is what we're saying people this is why this case is mind-blowing to me is that we have later years down years down the
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line right in 1993 this stuff comes out but years earlier we have two boys that you know mysteriously die on train
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tracks they think it's a a traffic accident and then they bring it to a grand jury and that's brought by this
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guy Dan Harmon and he is the the lead prosecutor and he's the one that's in charge of all the evidence and
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collecting all the evidence and getting his hands wherever and years later comes out that oh he might have been on
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those tracks we have an eyewitness that states that it was in fact Dan Harmon that he could identify a positively
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identify him as Dan Harmon because he knew Dan Harmon he had some he had a relationship with him the man dated his
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mother and we also have another eyewitness that points to Dan as well yeah and we're going to get to her right
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after this quick beer break oh [Music] [Music] thank you all right we're back and I know the
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story just took a bit of a Twist there at the last part but oh yeah I did we're gonna add to that twist a little bit by
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introducing a person by the name of Charlene Wilson now this woman she's in her 30s and she was known to be popular
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around town uh but this is this would take place years after the investigation into the deaths of the boys and this is
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during an investigation regarding criminal charges in an unrelated case uh Charlene Wilson testified in front of a
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grand jury to amongst other things but the important thing here to our case is that
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amongst those other things she testified that she had dated Dan Harmon for some time now this would have taken place in
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1987 right the same year as the deaths right and to call a female popular let's just go ahead and put it on the table
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Dan Harmon was also considered popular yes yes he was and uh during this time Dan Harmon he was married and she said
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that they dated probably seven or eight times during the course of that year but
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the two of them had snorted cocaine on several of those occasions right so Not only was Dan Harmon popular but he was
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also what I'd like to call [ __ ] yeah because you can't you can't have a girlfriend when you're married or you
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shouldn't have a girlfriend when you're married well the big deal here Captain is that not only does she say these
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things but let's keep in mind she's testifying to this to these statements in front of a grand jury so this is a
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big deal this is not like you just said it to some news reporter or somebody on the street no this is now opening up a
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line of questioning that is probably going to open up to a line of Investigation about the person that
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you're talking about by saying that the prosecutor somebody that has been a prosecutor was known to be using illegal
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drugs during the course of of his tenure yeah Dan is basically a Coco and this is
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going to lead us to a lot of the other questions regarding Dan Harmon now the police get involved here because after
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the statement in front of the grand jury they want to know more about not only Dan's drug use but also this Witnesses
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drug use and they also want to know know what else she may know about things that
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were going on in the area around 1987 and 1988 so when they questioned Charlene Wilson they start off by
00:31:55
providing her with two prepared questionnaires and one of them is more directed toward Dan Harmon and the other
00:32:03
is more directed towards the deaths of Kevin and Dawn now I'm going to read these for you the first one starts off
00:32:10
by asking tell us about your drug dealings with Dan Harmon and Charlene responds he kept me high a lot on
00:32:17
occasion I would make specific drops to different areas for him I got high with him a lot the next question is if you
00:32:26
were going to conduct an investigation on Dan Harmon how would you do it she states that she would go to his ex-wife
00:32:33
Rebecca then he would then she would check his money background with a fine-tooth comb she then recommended
00:32:41
going through drug task force records to see who they may have let off during his
00:32:46
time when he was in power as well as payoffs and Drug trades and things of that nature
00:32:51
they asked her to list the five most important causes that would have led Dan Harmon selling drugs and using drugs she
00:33:00
states that it would be his family history also letting people go that had enough money to buy him off would have
00:33:07
led to his drug use drugs being confiscated but not actually being reported would be things that he might
00:33:14
have been using or selling right and by letting Big Time dealers off for free she also stated that it's common
00:33:20
knowledge of his drug use and that had been common knowledge amongst many people in his Circle for years they
00:33:26
asked her to write in detail one drug deal that that she had conducted with Dan Harmon and now this is going to be a
00:33:35
little difficult because like she said I mean she was high a lot of the time yes
00:33:38
and I imagine that there were probably more than one drug dealings that she was involved with with Dan Harmon but she's
00:33:45
going to give the answer to one of those and the one that she states is one that
00:33:49
took place at a place called Lee Bistro Club uh she says Dan Harmon was there as
00:33:54
well as Roger Clinton and herself she said that this took place on a weekend night and that they had met there in a
00:34:01
parking lot and did a cocaine Exchange the next question she's asked do you know who else deals drugs with Dan
00:34:09
Harmon and now they've they've pulled this information from this questionnaire because she's naming other people here
00:34:16
but she does name at least four other men the next question is while filling out this form what were your emotions
00:34:23
and she states that she was scared but she was also ready to come clean she's worried about what Dan may find out that
00:34:30
she is saying about him now in the second question here as I said is more related to the deaths of the boys and it
00:34:37
starts off by saying tell us what you know about the circumstances that might have led to the deaths of Don Henry and
00:34:44
Kevin Ives she states that she feels that Dan Harmon has more knowledge of the two
00:34:49
boys deaths than he has ever told in late summer and in August she says that she drove with Harman to Alexander to
00:34:57
meet with she assumes a man named Keith mccaskill to make a pickup now she says this would have been around the time of
00:35:05
the two boys deaths they ask her to write in detail what happened on August 22nd 1987 from the
00:35:13
time that she got up until the time she went to bed that evening she states that
00:35:17
she got up she did some coke and Crystal mixed I guess she says that's called highballing she cleaned up the house
00:35:24
left and went off to find some more drugs later that afternoon Dannon wanted to show her a house and they went in his
00:35:32
car and they looked at a house in Alexander when they came back to her house she
00:35:37
said she ate something and put on some makeup Dan then asked her to take a ride back out to Alexander with him and he
00:35:44
asked her to pull down the Old Quarry Road and he told her to wait in the car he gets out and he leaves she states
00:35:53
that she stayed in the vehicle and she got high a while while she was waiting for him to come back she said he
00:35:58
suddenly then comes back shouting let's go they hop in the vehicle and they head
00:36:03
back to her place and that's when she is told to take a shower um he she's asking him if there's
00:36:09
anything wrong he's saying there's nothing wrong that they spent some time together that evening he took a shower
00:36:15
she went to bed and he left well he had to go back to his wife's house well the final question on this questionnaire is
00:36:22
they ask her do you have any reason to be afraid of answering any of these questions and she states simply yes I do
00:36:29
because Dan Harmon does not like me in 1993 this would be in May uh by this point Dan Harmon has been charged with
00:36:38
some drug possession charges and he is currently awaiting trial now I think I think some of this is going to come to
00:36:46
light here Captain because I think that at this point Charlene Wilson might feel
00:36:50
that she might be safe from Dan Harmon because he's facing these charges and he could potentially be going to prison
00:36:56
right uh but in an in an interview with the State Police Department she states that she knows quite a bit more about
00:37:05
the night that the boys were killed well now it's getting kind of Juicy this is a
00:37:09
statement given to detective Brown Charlene said that she had been with Dan Harmon and Keith mccaskill the night
00:37:17
that the boys had been killed she went with them to the train tracks she said that when they arrived there were two
00:37:22
other men that were there as well but all these men seem to be agitated because there was a small band of kids
00:37:30
that had tried to rip off the drop see now they were going there because there was going to be this drug drop they were
00:37:37
expecting to get three to four pounds of coke and five pounds of weed one and like we said there was Drops that were
00:37:44
made from trains but also possible that the planes would come in and stop in a field make a drop and then fly to the
00:37:52
airport now she said that when the men got there they stumbled upon these boys that were apparently trying to rip them
00:37:59
off and what had happened was they chased after the boys and they got away now she said that they caught two of
00:38:07
them and they were brought back to the tracks this was Kevin Ives and Don Henry she said that when the boys arrived one
00:38:16
of them was already deceased at that point she then claimed that Keith mccaskill killed the other ah no no no
00:38:23
no no no no she's lying she's lying that's not the whole story it's not the whole story but it's it's also not the
00:38:29
end of the story so she would actually give multiple confessions to what had happened to the of course she would so
00:38:36
well we kind of see it with that first part with the questionnaire right she kind of leads on that she and Dan Harmon
00:38:42
know more about the boy's death than what Dan Harmon is willing to admit that he knows and apparently is more than
00:38:48
what she's willing to admit to knowing during filling out that questionnaire now when she gives her second statement
00:38:54
this to detective Brown she now states that she one of the boys is dead she knows exactly what had happened to them
00:39:01
one of the boys is dead when she's at the tracks and the other boy is killed in front of her by Keith mccaskill well
00:39:08
we see another confession from her and one thing I do want to point out here though Captain is you know we've talked
00:39:13
about this a lot when we see multiple confessions from people usually the stories can change change drastically
00:39:20
that's not what takes place with Charlene Wilson now with Charlene Wilson basically what I think we get captain is
00:39:28
weak I think we get the story you know we get the tip of the iceberg with her with that questionnaire then we get
00:39:33
pretty much the whole story right she's filling Us in on more things now this this last let's call it confession
00:39:42
it's basically the same story as the second with one little twist in there okay okay and the twist being that she
00:39:49
actually stabbed one of them I knew it I knew it she said that she was quite high
00:39:55
at the time um choked out of her mind she had been hanging out with Dan Harmon most of the
00:40:01
evening Coke and Fizz that's what they call it and doing coke and she said sex she said that after the boys were
00:40:07
attacked the one was already dead and the one was near death that the the men that were there they were they were
00:40:14
telling her to stab the boy well yeah because their thought process there is if she is a right now she's just a
00:40:22
witness and she's basically accomplice but she can get away with that yeah but if she stabs one of the boys she's
00:40:30
guilty then she's also a murderer yeah yeah and that's why they wanted her to stab the other boy yeah she would be
00:40:37
guilty as a witness but now she's guilty as a as a conspirator to murder um so she does admit to stabbing one of
00:40:45
the boys in the back um she does right right and we have the evidence of the stab hole and so that's
00:40:53
basically her confessions to to that evening well that really to me we've pointed out quite a bit of other
00:41:01
stories regarding that night that all kind of have some loose parts to them but once you factor in Charlene Wilson's
00:41:09
statement that she gives she's kind of the glue she's the little kind of binding everything together so I think
00:41:14
we need to kind of using these stories we we should be able to kind of walk through a timeline for the evening of
00:41:22
August 23 1987. yeah I mean she's the glue that's made out of mainly cocaine so we'll start off with the boys right
00:41:30
Kevin Ives and Don Henry well we've pointed out that if if we take into account everyone's statements that were
00:41:37
given to the police and let's say we believe every statement that was given to the police well this kind of points
00:41:43
out that maybe the boys might not have been going out that night to actually go hunting they might been involved in
00:41:50
something else regardless they went out that night we know they went out that night this would be between 12 30 and 1
00:41:56
am they leave the house saying that there are going to go hunting well we now have eyewitness accounts of other
00:42:05
people being at the tracks that night yeah and so the Assumption here is that Kevin and Don
00:42:12
got this plan in their head that you know we buy pot and we don't have much money
00:42:19
but we know some guys that actually sell some stuff where we can make a bunch of
00:42:23
money off of it so if we could intercept one of these you know I'm not saying that these these kids wanted to try
00:42:30
cocaine I'm saying that it's probably more likely that they're like you know what if we could get some cocaine and we
00:42:36
probably know some people that would buy it we could make some quick cash and we
00:42:41
wouldn't even have to put any money up front because we're just intercepting a drop yeah well I mean there's there's
00:42:47
some proof that they might have been looking to purchase cocaine or to to distribute it to other people to make
00:42:53
some cash and if that's if that in fact is true and they did stumble into a situation where they overhear this big
00:43:02
time drug dealer that they keep referring to as talking about a drop then maybe this is some kind of plan
00:43:09
that they devised do you think the big time drug dealer that they were talking about was uh Dan
00:43:15
yes I actually do and whether they knew him by name or knew it to be Dan Harmon I don't know but I think that there
00:43:24
might have been people that talked about this big time drug lord this big time Big Time play the bass big time
00:43:31
um the thing here is the the reason being is if he's at the drop I don't see why he's not the big time guy you know
00:43:39
you know the way these things work you usually have one it's like a pyramid scheme you have one guy that's doing
00:43:44
pulling in a lot of the product he's Distributing it to a couple people who distribute it to a few more people and
00:43:50
the it gets bigger as you go down the pyramid there and it spreads out the money and most of the money goes to the
00:43:57
top there and we're talking about a drop if we believe Charlene Wilson here we're
00:44:02
talking about a drug drop of she says three to four pounds of cocaine [ __ ] and
00:44:08
five pounds of weed that sounds like a pretty decent drop to me right I don't know much about drug drops drug drops
00:44:14
raindrops drop top but we also have Charlene Wilson's statement saying that she was at the tracks that night with
00:44:22
Dan Harmon Keith mccaskill and a man by the name of Larry Rochelle now who are these other two guys so Keith mccaskill
00:44:30
he is a local bartender he works at one of those places up by the county line and he's he's a pretty well-known
00:44:37
bartender as well he's he's a guy that's known to be a bit rough around the edges
00:44:42
he's known to be a drug user as well as a distributor he's also a Burly guy right now I don't know much about this
00:44:49
Larry Rochelle guy but what I'm kind of assuming here Captain is that I think this Keith mccaskill is involved with
00:44:57
moving drugs for Dan Harmon and this Larry Rochelle is probably involved in the same thing remember this Larry guy
00:45:05
Shady Jerry that's a possibility I mean like where he's like uh who's who's your
00:45:09
friend uh not not Larry Jerry yeah yeah but I don't think that Larry I don't think
00:45:17
that Larry's going to come forward and confess up to anything when he's involved in a murder
00:45:22
or maybe a way to tell a story to cover his own ass well we got to stay clear about this because now we have the two
00:45:29
teenage boys we have Don and Kevin at the tracks and we also have Dan Harmon Keith mccaskill and Larry Rochelle now
00:45:37
we know some of these players here because we have two eyewitness statements we have Charlene Wilson
00:45:42
stating that Dan Harmon Keith mccaskill and Larry Rochelle are at the tracks we also have we also have Tom Newhouse
00:45:51
who's hiding in the bushes nearby witnessing this event take place now there are some statements that say that
00:45:58
that other boy that we talk about later Keith Cooney might have been one of the boys in the bushes with Tom Newhouse now
00:46:06
the situation here is new house Witnesses these guys in our interact with each other there seems to be some
00:46:12
kind of disagreement he hears The Gunshot go off and then the two teenagers flee at this same time we have
00:46:19
Tom Newhouse who flees as well shortly after that we have Don Henry and Kevin Ives who are seen near the store near
00:46:29
shrobe road now this is with the Keith Cooney as well right he states that he was there with the boys right so we have
00:46:37
Keith Cooney's statement stating this and he says that two police officers pull up and at this point that Keith
00:46:43
takes off now we also have the other two eyewitnesses this is your buddy Shady Jerry now he's there and he says that he
00:46:52
sees two police officers he also sees one boy take off on a motorcycle and two remaining teenage boys we also have
00:47:00
Ronnie Godwin story who basically says about the same thing we have these two eyewitnesses that state that they see
00:47:07
police officers beating up kids and throwing them in the back of a vehicle now through these statements one thing
00:47:15
that we learn we do learn who these officers are because of descriptions given as well as names given during some
00:47:23
of these statements and these officers are Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane and they work for the Pulaski County Sheriff's
00:47:30
Office so now we got more we got more characters here well let's just stop right there
00:47:36
right so you know look some sometimes I get you know hate mail saying yeah we don't need to recap hey sometimes we do
00:47:45
we need a lot going on right now so here it is these boys go out to the woods we're assuming that maybe instead of
00:47:52
hunting that they're trying to get in on a drop so that they possibly could get the drugs maybe sell the drugs who knows
00:48:00
yeah they're gonna do a Robin Hood move they they've they've identified some bad
00:48:04
guys they've found a way that they could make some money off of this they're gonna intercept these drugs and sell
00:48:10
them off to their friends right and again there's 16 and 17. so I think some of it is just like you you make some
00:48:18
weird decisions and I don't even want to say bad decisions you sometimes it's just a weird decision so anyways they go
00:48:25
out there there's some kind of Confrontation they jet they leave then they meet up with their friends so now
00:48:32
they're back at the store and there's three of them and then guess who rolls up the police officers now what we do
00:48:37
know is if Dan Harmon was there that you know he's a prosecutor or he becomes a prosecutor after this event he knows
00:48:46
people of power he's in a position of power and if he's the big time drug dealer he is a
00:48:54
position of power right and he probably has people working for him within the system and out of the system and so it's
00:49:01
not like you know if these cops did what the eyewitnesses claimed that they did they
00:49:08
were working for Dan Harmon yes yes you're exactly right and what what takes place here we don't know we can't figure
00:49:15
out if the police officers if these two Sheriff officers if they intended to kill the boys if they were told to kill
00:49:22
the boys but they were certainly told to go out and catch these boys right you know go find these guys that that
00:49:28
stumbled upon our our operation here and bring them back to me you know they bring these boys back to the tracks and
00:49:36
at that point this is where Charlene Wilson's statement carries through stating that one of the boys was dead by
00:49:42
that time probably the one that was you know it was beat in the face yes he was he was hit in the face with with the
00:49:48
either the gun or a telephone a receiver or both and it could have been as simple
00:49:54
as the orders were bringing these guys back to me and then when they tried to apprehend these boys a guy I control
00:50:00
because the boys knew what they're going to head back to right they're heading back to a a drug boss and if you don't
00:50:08
know much about it all you then would know is Hollywood so then you have to deal with your the images of you have
00:50:17
from Hollywood right so you'd be scared out of your mind so you're going to fight for your life
00:50:23
the boys are then brought back to the tracks and according to Charlene Wilson that's when the second boy is killed
00:50:31
um whether it be from Keith mccaskill or whether it be from her stabbing him but
00:50:36
then they place the boys on the tracks so that their bodies are destroyed and all the evidence would be destroyed as
00:50:43
well well that's five key players in this and I would I would say you know to me that
00:50:50
all five of those players are involved in the death yeah yeah right yeah yeah there there's some
00:50:58
moving Parts here that that we don't have um we don't have a solid statement that
00:51:04
locks them into this timeline for the entirety of the timeline because we have this Keith mccaskill he's a bit of a
00:51:12
he's a bit of a rogue situation here right Captain we don't know if he was actually at the tracks from the start to
00:51:20
the finish of this because there is a statement that says that Keith Cooney had went and and told Keith mccaskill
00:51:29
what he had seen at the tracks and that he had fled from some police officers and that mccaskill then went down to the
00:51:36
railroad tracks the only person that states that mccaskill was there is Wilson who says that she didn't see him
00:51:43
until the time that the boys were brought back right so my question here is I got a little bit of a question with
00:51:48
this mccaskill but you're exactly right these are the five key players but you know did he only show up for the second
00:51:55
portion of this or was he one of the three men that Tom Newhouse saw on the tracks because the
00:52:03
situation I think is what what is more likely is that both of those officers might have been there with this Larry
00:52:09
Rochelle and Dan Harmon as a form of protection for this drop you know maybe you leave one officer in the car because
00:52:17
new house only saw three guys on the tracks you leave one guy in the car to keep it as a lookout and the other
00:52:23
officer walks along with you as a form of protection that's the only thing that makes sense to me other than maybe
00:52:29
because they can't make a radio call saying these two guys interrupted are our drop go catch a drug deal yeah yeah
00:52:37
so our drug drop yeah right so I don't know if I don't know if Keith mccaskill was actually involved in the murder or
00:52:45
if he stumbled upon it later and then was terrified because he was dealing drugs for Dan Harmon and didn't want to
00:52:52
throw him under the bus because Dan Harmon had a lot of a lot of stuff on him one on top of that you just you have
00:52:58
two dead bodies you're gonna go run in your mouth after you saw you know two dead bodies so even if you didn't get
00:53:06
there till after they're dead then at that point you're you're maybe not talking because you're well he he
00:53:14
wouldn't be talking if he's dealing for Dan Harmon is my guess if he's working for Dan Harmon as a drug dealer right
00:53:22
but some people are drug dealers are not murderers right and that's that's why I'm I'm bringing up Keith mccaskill
00:53:28
because I don't I'm not convinced that he was there for the actual murder of these boys right I'm stating that it
00:53:34
very clear he could have just stumbled upon the end result while the men were still there and because he was dealing
00:53:42
drugs for Dan Harmon and he was caught up in this drug ring he didn't come forward with information well and maybe
00:53:47
it sounds stupid you know but you got five adults here you got two teenage boys that like I said making a
00:53:56
weird decision maybe a dumb decision you know Autumn ultimately they paid the price for it you know we're going to go
00:54:02
out into the woods if it wasn't just for hunting if it was to disrupt a drug drop
00:54:08
then that that's a very bad decision you know yeah um if you're just going out and hunting
00:54:14
wrong place at the wrong time right and uh you saw some things that you shouldn't have seen but it seems like
00:54:20
there's a lot of weight that they were planning to do this but they're teenage boys 16 and 17 years
00:54:28
old and you got these adults that are some in the system some out of the system they're just doing it for [ __ ] money
00:54:35
anyways right and so and and I and maybe these guys like I said there's a big difference between a drug dealer
00:54:42
and a murderer but then once these guys thought they were caught they had to do something
00:54:46
about these boys and they and they chose I think to murder them or knock them unconscious
00:54:54
because the one that was beat in the face could have you know you know drifted off into a coma for all we know
00:55:01
and then they lay them on the tracks does it matter that there's a train coming he's not waking up from that you
00:55:08
know and they might not have been fully dead by the time that the trains hit them I think it's most likely that they
00:55:17
were but either way it's murder oh yeah yeah and and I agree with you I think it's most likely that they were in
00:55:25
fact dead when they were placed on the tracks we have Wilson's statement Charlene Wilson's statement saying that
00:55:31
she believed both boys to be dead when they were placed on the tracks this also goes along with something we talked
00:55:37
about in the first episode with the EMTs what they what they thought about the blood as well as the train crew right
00:55:43
who were Avid Hunters that when they saw the blood of these boys it was not bright red right it was not flowing this
00:55:50
Blood wasn't you know it had they been killed why they were unconscious on the tracks their their heart would have been
00:55:56
pumping seconds before they were run over this would have caused the blood to flow this would have meant more blood
00:56:01
evidence everywhere at that scene there was a lot less blood than anybody with a
00:56:07
trained eye expected to see and it also was not the color that they expected to see it was purplish in color it did not
00:56:14
look to be fresh blood right so we have these five adults but we also have these
00:56:18
people like I said of power people that are in this system and that's what's so crazy because then you know once they
00:56:26
rule it at accidental death which is probably rule to accidental death because of the people that Dan Harmon
00:56:32
knew right and so they can get this ruling and then all of a sudden when it when
00:56:37
all this new information starts coming to light and we're going to bring it in front of grand jury guess what lawyer
00:56:43
volunteers his Services he rises to the occasion and he throws himself in the middle of the investigation not only
00:56:50
throws himself in there but he's going to be being the guy that's steering and directing the grand jury and on top of
00:56:57
that he has the power he's going to use the grand jury like his own set of bodyguards puppets basically run a
00:57:05
racketeering operation in a blackmailing operation through this grand jury he can
00:57:11
now subpoena whoever he wants in the area bring them in for questioning submit them to questions to find out
00:57:19
what they know what they do or don't know who they've talked to and he can he can sift through the dirt man he can
00:57:26
sift through the dirt and see what Rises to the top to find out what people know
00:57:30
and maybe who he needs to shut up right but who's this lawyer's name well this is Dan Harmon right right once a
00:57:37
prosecutor twice a prosecutor but clearly always a drug dealer and always a douche canal and he's got two sheriffs
00:57:45
at least two sheriffs that we know of that are on the take he's got drug dealers working for him he's created his
00:57:52
own little web his own little operation and he's done it all under the watchful eye of of the local police well and I've
00:58:00
never heard of a story where okay one accidental death you know that's what is they claim it's
00:58:06
Axel down death oh it's not now we got to bring it to trial who brings it to trial Dan Harmon years later who's one
00:58:13
of the number one suspects in the actual murder Dan Harmon I've never heard of that ever I mean it's freaking
00:58:20
mind-blowing and we're just kid we're just getting warmed up I mean I mean we should call part part three of
00:58:28
four should just be called Death that's what it should be called yes we certainly got so much more to get to
00:58:36
we'll get to that next week we got more evidence we got more crimes being committed we're just getting started
00:58:42
right what's our recommended reading for the week recommended reading this week I'm excited about this one Captain it's
00:58:47
called Dark spell surviving the sentence uh this is by one of my favorite and I believe one of the very best True Crime
00:58:55
authors out there Mara Leverett in this story dark spell it's about Jason Baldwin most of you will know him from
00:59:01
The West Memphis Three uh she's written about them before this is kind of continuing on in the case so if you're
00:59:07
like me and you always want to read more about the West Memphis Three pick up dark spell surviving the sentence by
00:59:13
Mara Leverett you can do that by going to our website truecrime garage.com you click on the recommended page and you
00:59:20
pick things up through our Amazon banner and real quick before we go here Captain
00:59:23
we have something to talk about regard supporting iTunes and and the episodes we've had a little trouble okay so all
00:59:30
we do is we we have a host and then our host sends it to iTunes and sometimes it's just been coming up that there's an
00:59:37
error sometimes we get it sometimes it's a download error we're not really for sure all we can do
00:59:42
is do a request sometimes our host says oh well we did something wrong sometimes
00:59:47
it's on iTunes in and it's it's very frustrating and it basically keeps me up a bunch of times but also every time
00:59:55
that we add an episode uh it knocks off uh normally um West Memphis Three part one and so I
01:00:06
have to go back in and add it and sometimes I forget to so when it disappears it's because I forgot to and
01:00:12
just give me a day or so and I'll fix it yeah the the pro we'll prob we apologize
01:00:16
for the troubles and for the frustration but it's just equally as frustrating on
01:00:21
our end we are aware of the issue we've reported the issue many many times and it is in their hands now yeah and I like
01:00:28
to send them a bunch of video chat messages me just screaming I'm I'm gonna put you in your face
01:00:33
fix it fix it now anyways thanks for sharing every time somebody shares it on social
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media just it fills my heart an angel gets its wings my my heart gets all gooey all right much love to you and
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until next week be good be kind and don't let it thank you [Applause] thank you [Music]