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[Music] [Music] my name is David big knee I'm an attorney and I'd like to talk to you
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about Jennifer Casey it's time to bring Jennifer Quezon home if you have any information about what Jennifer is who
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has taken her or the person of interest please contact a lawyer immediately ask a lawyer about protection you may have
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under attorney-client privilege and how your identity can be protected and provide him or her with the information
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information that leads to the whereabouts of Jennifer or the person of interest please do the right thing
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please do the right thing [Music] [Music] in regards to the disappearance and abduction of Jennifer Cassie Sargent
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Barbara Jones of the Orlando Police Department had this to say quote we established a timeline of Monday when
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she last talked to Rob which was about 10:00 p.m. to Thursday at around 806 when a resident of that condominium
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complex located her car so that's about a 58 hour window she goes on to say we did obtain some video surveillance at
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the condominiums where her vehicle was found and that surveillance video depicted a picture of a pedestrian which
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we're classifying as a person of interest that video was taken on Tuesday the 24th at around 12:00 noon so Monday
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at 10:00 p.m. until the following day at 12:00 noon is the time frame where we had that pedestrian who is a person of
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interest in this case that we're desperately trying to find out who that is to see what they know about possibly
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the whereabouts of Jennifer Cassie this has been one of the big questions in this case so let's take a look at the
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possibilities of a nighttime abduction versus morning abduction when exactly Jennifer was taken is an extremely
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divisive subject in this case there are two schools of thought and both we discussed a bit last week and more
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importantly both have evidence backing them up this is one of the biggest mysteries wrapped inside this larger
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mystery when you have a big fat blank spot in your timeline it is so key and instrumental to the investigation that
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you shrink that window of time a bit squeeze the breeze and close that window a little so now we are looking at a 14
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hour window for the purpose of her vehicle but more like just under 13 hours when you factor in the important
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11 a.m. meeting she planned on attending at work that day and then very likely all the way to 7:45 a.m. when she should
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have been leaving for work to get there at 8:00 a.m. now captain it seems obvious
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that the Cassie's continue to believe that Jennifer was abducted in the morning as she left for work and there
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is quite a bit of evidence to support this theory yeah let's go through this evidence okay
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so one thing we have to factor in is Jennifer told Rob on the phone the night before that she was already in bed the
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other item is we have a wet shower damp towel which show so many people say that
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this is proof that she showered in the morning just before the time that she would usually leave for work right
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Jen's contact lenses were missing and her glasses were on the sink implying that she woke up that morning took off
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the glasses during the portion of getting ready for work she applies her contact lenses the bathroom sink we find
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her makeup and hair dryer was out on the countertop her pajamas were on the floor
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the bed had been slept in or at the very least was unmade we do have to factor some other things in regarding an unmade
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bed but but I think it's somewhat fair to say that Logan and his friends who stayed there that weekend before leaving
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an unmade bed at her condo when she was so nice to let them stay there would be would just be rude or disrespectful to
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to the owner of the condo right and Monday night was her first night back so if someone was in the bed it almost
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certainly had to be her the work clothes that she had there were two outfits laid
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out that were found on the bed and these were clothes these were outfits that would match the missing shoes those
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those shoes that she was so proud of her mother says look that she's trying to pair outfits with with her shoes that
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she wanted to wear to work that day she told me she was going to be wearing these shoes to work that day yeah this
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is business casual outfits not something you'd think that should wear at night so
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all of these things point to Jennifer going to bed on Monday night waking up on Tuesday going about her normal
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morning routine and then vanishing before she ever made it to the office that day by this theory someone
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have been waiting for her outside of her condo or possibly at the bottom of the stairs knowing that she would come down
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immediately this calls to mind the Jodi huisentruit case we covered in episodes two zero
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eight and two zero nine but unlike Jodi Jennifer was not heard screaming she didn't drop all of her
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things on the ground in their word no drag marks the more popular belief is that she was abducted at or in her
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vehicle if someone was waiting for her and she unlocked the car mind you she's juggling all of these items that she has
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with her her phone Travis's phone her briefcase in her purse someone could have tasered or chloroformed her and
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shoved her in the vehicle and drove off or as she unlocked her car and went to load her stuff in a van could have
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pulled up and hauled her in and someone else drive her car away to make it look like she had left if either of these two
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things are what happened whoever took Jennifer must have known that no one was likely to be around to witness this
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abduction keep in mind this was broad daylight when Jen usually left for work and taking her from a visible parking
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lot is quite risky on the other hand there are strong proponents of the theory that Jennifer was abducted at
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night as we said the Orlando Police Department at least initially embraced this theory saying that her cellphone
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seemed to be on the move late Monday night perhaps she had gone out to find a FedEx location to send Travis's phone
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although she had told Logan her brother that she would mail it on Tuesday the kesi say there is no way that she would
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have gone out and that this would have happened but one thing that drew cassie alluded to does bolster the nighttime
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abduction theory he said that while Jennifer was on the phone that Monday night someone knocked on her door
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Jennifer looked through the peephole and said that it was the male neighbour and
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that she was going she wasn't going to in the door but this story is very strange for one thing we know that
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Jennifer didn't really have many neighbors keep in mind this condominium complex it's about half empty at this
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time right by some reports only two people lived in her wing of that building this also goes along with the
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fact that nobody heard a scream there might not have been anybody there to hear a scream yeah
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the old if a tree falls in the woods situation right and for someone as safety conscious as Jen it's a little
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bizarre that she didn't make more of this incident the knocking on the door at night this has led to much
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speculation that Jennifer knew who was at the door and maybe possibly lied to whomever she was talking to which I
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believe was robbed at this time perhaps then letting the person in because she knows them but not wanting to tell her
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boyfriend hey this person I know is at the door and I'm letting them in at night yeah well you also wondered too if
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she let her brother and his friends stay at her condo is this just the neighbor coming by to check in on her or tell her
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that there were rowdy or tell her that there was no problems with them all weekend so here's the thing that I think
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we should address before we move on too far is we are hearing this story of someone knocking on her door Monday
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night around 10 o'clock or just after 10 o'clock basically third or fourth hand by this point we're hearing it from her
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father who is discussing a conversation she was I believe to have been having with somebody else with Ryan so we're
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getting this information from Rob to Drew and then drew her father is passing it along to the public and one thing
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that I heard when this was discussed was a reference to not only that this was a
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male neighbor but I believe that at one time drew used the the words or the sentence oh it must be the man upstairs
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you know like a neighbor man that lived above her and I got to thinking about this captain
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I wonder having lived in apartments and you've lived in apartments and we lived in one together and remember I would
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always blast my music and theater I didn't mean to be a jerk but I was I was insensitive to those around us and
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therefore I tried to become friends with the one neighbor who I was bothering the
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most with the the loud music you know so we were on a first-name basis with him as he was often reminding me could you
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please turn down the music it's late at night where my mind kind of goes with this is sometimes when we lived in our
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apartment you would hear a knock and assume that it was coming that someone was knocking on your door then you go
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and you look through the peephole and there's nobody there and then you figure it out you put it
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together like oh I'm hearing somebody knock on the neighbor's door I wonder if if there's a chance that no one was
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there and that that statement that Jennifer made was just interpreted wrong is there a chance that she is on the
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phone middle of the conversation goes up I think I just heard somebody knock at the door gets up looks at the people
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there's no one there but her statement is oh it must be the man upstairs I'm not gonna open up the door right well it
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must be the man upstairs may mean she thinks that the knock is on the neighbor's door upstairs I'm not going
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to open the door and this is really just nothing that has to do with her disappearance at all right or like you
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said it's somebody else and she's telling her boyfriend it's just the neighbor right this really cute guy just
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knocked on my door Yomi now another fact that could add to the nighttime abduction theory is
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something that Joyce Cassie said and this was that a men's size medium Banana Republic sweater was found in Jennifer's
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laundry hamper under some other clothes now Rob her boyfriend was a size large he says this was not his sweater but
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there could be a possible explanation for this a very simple one it actually could have belonged to Jennifer even
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though it was a men's sweater many women buy men's clothing cozy casual laying around the house
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or just for some kind of look that she was going for Jennifer keep in mind was five foot
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eight and 130 pounds so she probably I asked a few of our lady friends or my lady friends and several of them said
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that this would fit like a men's size medium that sweater could have belonged to some dude or it could have belonged
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to Jennifer and again just like the knock it could be something that has nothing to do with the case at all that
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it's not important it was found in her condo because that's where you would expect to find it if you knew it was
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hers the thing about all of this stuff especially the sweater let's let's dig through this sweater real quick because
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here's one one piece of information that we do know that comes to mind we have her mother that she had conversations
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with Jennifer regarding outfits shoes we know that to be true right so what I'm thinking about here is when the parents
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and brother and brother's friend arrived at her condo and they're looking through
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her things and they're going oh this looks like a morning abduction or it looks like she went vanished sometime in
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the morning because it appears that she was getting ready for work we have two outfits right they are lying out there
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they're prepped they're sitting there waiting for her to compare them to the shoes or consider wearing them to work
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that day if she did in fact get ready for work and left that day wearing those shoes that her mother says that she
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wanted to wear that day then there is an outfit missing what this tells me is that even though we have all of these
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conversations and her family knew her well she had lived on her own for quite some time her mother is not able to
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provide anybody saying this is the outfit that was missing from her condo right she was wearing something this is
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what was missing we don't have that so I wouldn't expect her parents to be able to provide us with a full inventory of
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all of her clothing I think very likely that this sweater just belongs to Jennifer Cassie yeah it also could be
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like Acts boyfriend sweater that she just liked and kept kept around yeah many people
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have also suggested that because of Logan and Travis and then even her ex-boyfriend Matt visiting her condo
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that weekend before they've questioned could this just simply be one of their sweaters I think not because it seems to
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it seems too easy for one of those three young men to identify this as theirs right now the biggest reason we need to
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consider a possible nighttime abduction is Jennifer's cell phone now as we heard
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from Drew Cassy police said based on cell tower ping evidence that Jennifer was out and about on that Monday night
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possibly even going to a sketchy area as they called it because her phone in Travis's phone were pinging on towers
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indicating that she was out and about and it could indicate that she left some time after that phone call with Rob that
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night right let's keep in mind this was 2006 before cell tracking technology was
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as sophisticated as it is today it was hardly an exact science as we know from serial but the pings pointed out by the
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Orlando Police Department made no sense and this is according to drew Cassy he stated that the Orlando Police
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Department ping results should be completely disregarded apparently they showed Jennifer's phone pinging on two
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separate towers miles apart at almost the exact same time right obviously this could not accurately reflect the
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whereabouts of her phone since she could not be in two places at once according to Drew Verizon had the pings
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happening quote all over the place further the Orlando Police Department told drew Cassy at one point that Jen's
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phone and Travis's phone appear to have been powered down or had the batteries removed sometime around 10:40 or 10:50
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p.m. on Monday night we can only presume that the Orlando Police Department believed this because
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the phone's stopped pinging at this time but they have since backed off of this time frame the police department and the
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Cassy's said Jen never turned her phone off she always charged it and it had it and
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had it with her this is a this is a difficult thing here and I would love to know the science behind it not so much
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the science behind it on current cell phones on her phone and the activity that we could expect from her phone that
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she was using back in 2006 would the phone still ping when shut off does it only stopped pinging once the battery is
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completely removed because I've heard the kesi say time and time again that they believe that Jennifer would have
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used her phone for an alarm clock that she very likely would not have shut her phone off right
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again she lived on her own for quite some time I'm just recalling back to 2005 and 2006 and 7 for me and thinking
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about cell phones as they were and as they were used back then by by a lot of us it was much different than how we use
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our phones today we we reach for them for almost everything today back then it wasn't so much the case I mean we know
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that Jennifer had a landline because her cell phone was not great it was spotty at best
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once inside her condo yeah which is super old-school well it's it's old-school for today but not in 2006 I
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had a landline up until I believe 2007 and to top that off I can recall even in 2007 and eight still using an alarm
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clock and because we didn't trust our cell phones back then the way that we do now you know I remember I lived in
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Columbus Ohio it's a major city my cell phone that I had back then barely worked
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inside my home if I went down to the basement nada couldn't do anything with it down in the
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basement you know as far as reception goes and so I almost feel like this is a time when people were still you
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landlines we know she was using one this is a time when people were still using alarm clocks I'd like to know if she if
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they had financial records of her because all I could think is like she getting ready for bed she's in bed other
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than maybe letting somebody into the house what would be her motivation to leave you know maybe other than this
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FedEx box well let me drop off this phone and the FedEx box I don't buy that she would do that I've I should I think
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she'd just do that at work mm-hmm but I think you know Steak and Shake pretty late at night can get me to go
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out of my house true debt or sometimes like you get a hankering for a blizzard mm-hmm and you
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decide at eleven o'clock to go to Dairy Queen so now on the the the opposite end
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of that where they where the parents say hey she wouldn't have turned off her phone she wouldn't have done this she
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wouldn't have done that one thing that they say is she would not have left they but they believe from what they know of
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their daughter that once she was in for the night she was in for the night and you brought up the FedEx thing with the
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cell phone with Travis's cell phone and that is what is brought up the most the problem with this is 10 o'clock at night
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there's not a FedEx store open at that time right Jennifer's smart she knows what's going on she's gonna be aware of
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this she's not going out looking for a FedEx store at 10 o'clock at night now you said something interesting there
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what if it's just a Dropbox that she's looking for I guess she could have brought some
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materials home from work or whatever to to prep that box and drop it off somewhere again and I know everything
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isn't in you know I can't relate everything to our own personal life experiences but at my work for years we
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had stamps.com and once I had that in my life at work I wasn't going out making special trips to
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ship anything man right I only ship stuff Monday through Friday when I was at work and our work
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encouraged us to use it yeah we had to use our own money for it but it was so convenient you're not making it
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extra trip anywhere you have to be there for work anyway and the thing is she would have found the phone if I
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understand the way that her Monday went she very likely would have been unaware that Travis's phone would be found in
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her condo until she was already on her way home from work on that Monday because we know that she kind of got
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stuck on this trip they couldn't fly back to where they wanted to fly to and she had to drive from from that location
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right into work that day work a regular day and then on her way home she has a conversation with her parents and then
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has a conversation with her brother Logan I am of the belief that that is when Logan informed her hey my buddy
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Travis you know Travis he left his cell phone at your condo could you ship it to
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him so if she doesn't know about this thing until she's already on her way home she wouldn't have known to bring
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any boxes or any shipping materials with her home right so it just seems so unlikely and then the other factor too
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is Rob is saying that she said I'm in bed I almost feel like captain that this 1040 or ten fifty p.m. Monday night with
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the phones being powered off I have two major thoughts on this one could be that
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she just in fact shut them off and they they no longer performed any ping activity after that took place right why
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would she do that you don't want to be disturbed when you're trying to sleep maybe she has an alarm clock all right
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you don't know what kind of activity Travis's phone is going to have to write when you're trying to sleep and you got
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to go to your work the next day so maybe she did just in fact power them off the
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other question I have is we are hearing this second or third fourth hand however
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you want to take it and we have been told by Drew Cassie that this information was relayed to them by the
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Orlando Police Department that at that time early on in the investigation they thought something happened that night
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and they were using this ping technology or their lack of understanding of the ping technology at the time to support
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that theory he is saying not only did we have this conversation but they had the
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conversation with me and my family and when we left that meeting the three of us both had different opinions on
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exactly what they were trying to tell us he also says that they did walk that back a little bit in future discussions
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with the family so where my head goes is there a chance and we've seen this in some other cases where officers looking
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to provide a timeline an accurate timeline for the events of what took place they're reaching out to Verizon
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into the to these cell phone companies to get information and sometimes there's a something gets lost in translation is
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it possible that this could be 10:40 a.m. 4:00 10:50 a.m. it could be something as simple as that
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so it's interesting to look through this and I think that what we really have to
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hone in on is that it appears to me from everything we're being told by Dru Cassie that the ping information is very
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likely inaccurate so it's really hard to know how much value to put on this information the Cassie's believe the
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phone information is absolutely useless as there is no way to know what is correct and what is not we know that
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Jen's family says there is no way that she would have gotten dressed after telling Rob she was going to bed and
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heading out what Travis's phone that's the other weird thing if she goes out why would she if she's not going to
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FedEx why would she bother to even take Travis's phone with her right unless it you know people point out well maybe it
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was already in the car in her briefcase for the next day yeah we don't know but it seems like a lot of things have to
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line up for this to to be a real thing the thing the thing here though is there's one more possibility surrounding
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a possible nighttime abduction Dru kesi stated on the unconcluded podcast that a
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set of keys to the condos had been stolen the month before and the manager's office had a key making
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machine that could be easily accessed by just about anybody drew told Jennifer to
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get her locks changed but she hadn't got around to it it is theoretically possible that Jen
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was asleep that night and someone entered her apartment and took her managing to do so stealthily
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and without causing any disruption but they would also have had to have taken her briefcase work shoes both cellphones
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car keys purse iPod it it just seems crazy that somebody would go in and get her that night and determine all the
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things that should be missing from her condo that you would expect to be missing had she gotten ready for work
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and left the house on her own it just seems like too much for the perpetrator to put together and then to top that off
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we know that the pepper spray was found on a countertop in her condo we know that even though the security system was
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not being used at that time by her there was a panic button there was a panic button in her bedroom this seems like I
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get it that the daytime parking lot abduction seems risky but even somebody that could have got into her condo then
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you have to deal with the fact that she she could try to defend herself with the
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pepper spray she could grab anything for a weapon in her condo and she could hit
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all right cheers mates don't be rude to your neighbors be nice try to play nice in the sandbox we won't we need to give
00:34:21
the Orlando Police Department some credit here right we were you talk about being rude we might have been a little
00:34:27
rude to them last week but where they showed a lot of effort was the searches for Jennifer Cassie now we cannot go
00:34:34
through all of the searches that were conducted over the years as the Orlando Police Department pursued every tip and
00:34:41
lead that came in over 1,000 leads have been investigated in this case Dru Cassie has said many times that the
00:34:49
Orlando Police Department was fantastic and following up on tips jumping into action and conducting major searches
00:34:56
when credible tips came in and there have been many but he said the Orlando Police Department completely failed to
00:35:04
actually generate any leads themselves he believes that this is why Jennifer's case is where it stands today which is
00:35:12
unsolved once the Cassie's convinced the Orlando Police Department that Jennifer
00:35:18
had not willingly disappeared the usual searches were conducted this started with the areas in a five-mile
00:35:26
radius surrounding mosaic at millenia and the Huntington on the green ware grid searches conducted by officers
00:35:35
volunteers dogs and people on horseback this included major roads these took place over the course of several days
00:35:42
the area searched was bounded by Texas Avenue Orange Blossom Trail Oak Ridge Road and Holden Avenue at one point 1200
00:35:53
volunteers were involved in a search engineered by child watch of North America the wooded areas between the
00:36:01
mosaic and millenia and the Huntington on the green were searched including a wooded area near Huntington on the green
00:36:07
where a scent was found storage closets in Jennifer's building were also searched we do not know whether the
00:36:15
large pond at the complex was scoured but knowing the kissies they likely demand
00:36:21
let it be searched empty condos in the building were inspected but it is not believed that forensic tests were
00:36:28
conducted on any of them the Orlando PD conducted several door to door knock inquiries at both Huntington on the
00:36:36
green and the mosaic at millenia right but they they process her car but you said last week that they didn't process
00:36:43
her apartment correct and I'm not saying that they are right in doing so or going
00:36:49
about it this way but I think that this is why they process one and not the other keep in mind when her family first
00:36:59
discovers that Jennifer is missing the police don't really believe that anything nefarious took place they think
00:37:07
she just got mad at her boyfriend she took off for a little bit she's gonna be back so we have people coming and going
00:37:14
from her condo before they believe that they need to process this condo unit right but they shouldn't assume I get in
00:37:25
any investigation you shouldn't start off by assuming anything well here's where they may have made a good
00:37:31
assumption when they found the vehicle they immediately went okay now we're on board because we found her vehicle we
00:37:40
thought she just took off why are we finding her vehicle and not her and on top of it I think it's even more
00:37:45
suspicious that it's found within walking distance of her condo complex right it was just saw a worse area so
00:37:52
immediately they believe that wherever she is like the answers and where Jennifer Casey is at this point in our
00:37:59
case the infant stages of the case we believe the car is the key this is the map this is going to tell us either what
00:38:07
happened or where she is or or who is responsible so the vehicle itself was processed now one of the popular
00:38:17
theories out there is that she could have been carjacked or she was taken after she was in her vehicle as we
00:38:25
discussed last week captain eventually they released this vehicle it was turned back in and it was turned back into the
00:38:33
bank because it was it was not paid it was a leased vehicle personally I believe here that if if the police
00:38:40
department if they found anything anything in there to suggest that that is where the abduction took place or
00:38:47
that unfortunately I hate to say these things out loud but these are the things we have to discuss or she was killed in
00:38:54
that vehicle right or stored in that vehicle for any length of time I'm not so sure that they would release that
00:39:00
vehicle that to me almost indicates that at least they don't believe that something major took place inside that
00:39:07
car right continuing on with some of these searches we have the local news reported that a search of heavily wooded
00:39:14
areas near the Huntington on the green was searched this is in January of the same month that she went missing
00:39:21
January 30th they state here that a scent was picked up in the woods tips alleging where Jennifer could be found
00:39:28
led to scores of searches including an abandoned hotel a vacant timeshare complex a retention pond that was
00:39:36
drained and so on and so on after police picked up on street rumors and received a credible tip that Jen was
00:39:43
alive and being held against her will at a boarding house on 4th I'm sorry 40th Street in Oak Ridge this is 2.6 miles
00:39:53
away from where she lived this home was invaded on February 12th by a SWAT team they're looking for Jennifer they're
00:40:01
looking for any evidence that she would have been there before this date nothing
00:40:06
was found there was no evidence that she had ever been there at all the location
00:40:10
was near Huntington on the green and it was owned by somebody with more than 20 arrests I don't have what this person's
00:40:19
arrest history is but just noted that 20 arrests in 2008 Texas Equusearch arrived
00:40:28
in Orlando this was to help search for Caylee Anthony but they also conducted a search of the woods near mosaic they too
00:40:37
found nothing in 2009 there was also a massive search that was conducted it was a fruitless search it came in by way of
00:40:45
tip but in 2010 Orly OPD received a credible tip about an overgrown field this is located on
00:40:53
Orange Blossom Trail near Oak Ridge Road which is now the site of a Walmart not too far from Huntington on the green
00:41:01
cadaver dogs hit on a spot here and the Orlando Police Department used backhoes sifters and ground-penetrating radar
00:41:10
this search was one of the more significant ones that renewed the Cassy's hope that Jen would be
00:41:17
discovered but it came but nothing came of it we should note here that multiple online
00:41:25
sleuths have posted that this search location was very close to where one of the known suspects and we'll call him
00:41:33
Adam for now the he resided near this area around this time or at the time of her abduction now there was no way for
00:41:43
me to verify that I was unable to verify that he actually lived near this location at the time of the abduction in
00:41:52
2012 there was also another major search and then in 2015 the kesi family received a tip that Jennifer was buried
00:42:00
in a national park near Miami this again was another massive search using land air and sea vessels unfortunately
00:42:08
nothing was found yeah and think about the emotional rollercoaster the family has to go on you think that there's a
00:42:16
solid lead you you go through the proper channels to get a proper search and then
00:42:21
you find nothing yeah a lot of these searches look like something was going to come of it and then we also have
00:42:27
statements they have been made to lead us to believe that something promising was coming from the investigation itself
00:42:34
right so we have one of the detectives on the case made public statements sometime around mid February of 2006
00:42:41
that the Jennifer Cassie case would be coming to a conclusion within the next week or so he said that they had viable
00:42:49
evidence and were tracking down certain transients clearly since it's now almost
00:42:56
14 years later and 1,000 dead-end leads later he was speaking out of turn right drew Cassie told a reporter in
00:43:04
2009 that the police had thought they found the driver of the car of Jennifer's car who parked it at the
00:43:11
Huntington on the green but they were they were wrong and so the search continues there have been some using air
00:43:20
quotes here captain sightings of Jennifer Cassie over the years yeah there's been a lot that has
00:43:29
been reported there's been a lot that have been called in there were a lot that were featured on the unconcluded
00:43:34
podcast unfortunately it's very time-consuming to go through these possible sightings and really to me I
00:43:44
don't want to I don't want to feel like I'm doing anybody a disservice here but I feel like I'd be doing you a
00:43:49
disservice if we go through all of these because they don't seem to be credible at all in my opinion I agree in April of
00:43:57
2006 the man who owns the company that Jennifer Cassie worked for David Sigal he put up two hundred and fifty thousand
00:44:04
dollars as a reward in her case and then the following year he decided to raise this amount all the way up to $1,000,000
00:44:14
well this comes with the stipulation though for if you want to get the $1,000,000 he's stating you need to tell
00:44:21
us where she is we need to find her and she needs to be alive now no one ever has claimed any of this money the FBI
00:44:29
did get involved in her case this was in 2010 four years after Jennifer vanished
00:44:35
when they became involved this was at the request of Drew and Joyce Cassie I'm guessing that they probably were
00:44:42
requesting this for quite some time before it actually took action the feds agreed to review the evidence
00:44:50
that the Orlando Police Department had compiled up to that date they also brought in Logan her brother and drew
00:44:58
her father they brought them in for questioning and they gave Logan a lie-detector test
00:45:04
drew offered to take one as well but they declined which is kind of trying to read between the lines here of why they
00:45:12
would decline that my guess would be the one one here's what we do now once she was reported missing or told to the
00:45:23
family that nobody could find her she wasn't at work wasn't where she was supposed to be couldn't get ahold of her
00:45:27
couldn't find her at her condo and her vehicle was missing from her parking spot her parents and her brother and her
00:45:36
brothers fent friend jumped into action right at that time they had to make a very long drive to get to her condo
00:45:43
complex the reason why I think drew is of less importance for the investigation is because there's no way for him to be
00:45:53
a suspect there's no way for him to have moved that car moved her car and also be
00:46:00
driving to her condo at that exact same time right same goes for Logan who we know was in route as well but why do you
00:46:08
let him take the lie detector test and not really go into one with the father well you don't really need the father to
00:46:16
do one so much if you get what you wanted from Logan and where I'm going with this captain is I would think as an
00:46:24
investigator at that time that the people that I should possibly be looking at might be the two friends of Logan's
00:46:32
and if he is able to provide them with answers regarding Matt and regarding Travis and the FBI are going well
00:46:40
neither mad nor Travis look so good at this time we don't know what additional information drew could provide us at
00:46:47
this time regarding those two individuals and maybe they don't like those two individuals after they get
00:46:52
done talking to Logan they don't like them as suspects thank you we don't know what else was done in these regards
00:46:59
regarding the FBI but essentially the FBI only reviewed the case and made some recommendations to the Orlando Police
00:47:07
Department regarding how that agency should proceed from there now by February 2011 the FBI announced
00:47:16
that it was ending its involvement in the Jennifer Casey case drew Casey said that they told him quote your daughter
00:47:24
seems to have vanished we do not know exactly why or how and we really have nothing to go on end quote yeah it seems
00:47:32
the more we do this show the more we hear about individuals just disappearing into thin air almost we have some
00:47:42
suspects that we can discuss here captain and I think there's some that we can clear off along the way there's some
00:47:49
certainly that look better than others in this case first let's discuss who everybody would kind of make the leap to
00:47:58
immediately in this case is Jennifer's boyfriend right Rob Allen as we discuss the Orlando Police Department looked at
00:48:07
Rob as someone who might be connected to Jennifer's case however Rob cooperated fully with the investigation in fact he
00:48:16
contacted the Orlando Police Department detectives on Jennifer's case before they called him he submitted DNA took
00:48:24
polygraphs and gave countless interviews to police his alibi by the way for Tuesday the 24th is that he was at work
00:48:33
and this checks out now we should keep in mind that this assumes a daytime abduction Rob could in theory have drove
00:48:43
all the way up to Orlando after their 10:00 p.m. phone call and got into the condo abducted got rid of Jennifer and
00:48:53
then got to work back in Fort Lauderdale in time right but also doesn't look like
00:48:58
the suspect driving the vehicle that's correct in addition to this his cell phone usage shows that he was in Fort
00:49:05
Lauderdale in the time frame in which Jennifer went missing he from my understanding is considered to be
00:49:13
cleared Rob is still close to this day with the Cassie's and still helps out as much as he can in finding Jennifer by
00:49:21
participating in TV shows and articles regarding her case we also can bring up Drew and Logan Cassie father and brother
00:49:31
it's you know we've already kind of gone through this so I don't think that we need to dive into this one too much more
00:49:38
right because these are two loving family members they don't seem to be any way involved
00:49:46
in the abduction of their sister or daughter logan was polygraphed by the FBI as we mentioned when it commenced a
00:49:52
review on the case in 2010 drew offered to be polygraphed but they didn't take him up on it
00:49:58
both men were eager to do whatever necessary to not only rule themselves out but to move on and help the Orlando
00:50:06
Police Department move on with their investigation on a lot of these cases that somebody just goes missing or
00:50:13
disappears into thin air there's normally a time where family members might act a little strange I don't think
00:50:21
you see that in this case right if anything that you see not only are the parents acting in the manner that you
00:50:30
think they should but almost the way you wish all parents would act in these situations they're they're leading the
00:50:38
charge yeah and it's all it's as you just said that if I were to go missing this is how you would want somebody to
00:50:46
react and to hold on to your case and lead the charge to find you right one person who the police looked very hard
00:50:53
at was Jennifer's ex-boyfriend Matt Sullivan he's remember he's a friend of Logan's they had been broken up for well
00:51:03
over a year by the time she went missing but remember that Matt was in Jennifer's
00:51:08
condo while she was in st. Croix hanging out with Logan and Travis drew Cassie has said repeatedly that Matt did not
00:51:16
easily get over the break-up and they he tried to get back together with her on more than one occasion we have seen
00:51:26
reports that by the time Jennifer vanished in 2006 that Matt had actually moved on and was dating someone else
00:51:32
yeah but at least initially he was not happy about this breakup Logan Cassie said that the Orlando PD
00:51:41
quote put Matt through the wringer and quote this is probably because not only was Matt at Jen's place that weekend the
00:51:49
weekend before she went missing but on Monday night the 23rd when many people believed
00:51:56
that it's possible that she was taken that night Matt was at a bar across the street from the mosaic at millenia now
00:52:06
we should point out here this was not just some dive bar that nobody ever goes in this was a very popular bar called
00:52:15
the Blue Martini according to drew Cassie reports were that Matt was very drunk that night and he lived he lived
00:52:23
about thirty minutes away so let's keep that in mind because that that looks Buber suspicious when you hear all Logan
00:52:33
and Travis and the Cassie family lived two hours away yeah or three hours away I'm sorry
00:52:40
whatever it may be that's a much bigger distance than Matt Matt lived somewhat in the Orlando area he lives only about
00:52:48
30 minutes away from Jennifer Cassie's condo and this bar which is across the street so what you're saying is this
00:52:55
guy's drunk pretty drunk at this bar yeah but he's thirty minutes from his home so he drove 30 minutes drunk that's
00:53:04
not what I'm saying I don't know how he got home that night what I can say is there are reports that he did return to
00:53:13
his residence that night and these reports are coming from his I believe he had two roommates at the time right that
00:53:22
we're saying that he was home around 1:00 or 1:30 in the morning so it's one of those things captain where it's
00:53:30
either suspicious or it's straight-up a coincidence and it's easy to see why people have followed who have followed
00:53:38
Jennifer's case are very interested in Matt although we should point out that his involvement seems to be 100%
00:53:47
speculative if he was across the street he could have called her that night and said hey let me come over
00:53:54
I'll grab Travis's phone and you know mail it for you because where he lives doesn't help get the phone - Travis any
00:54:03
faster right but we also have Jennifer's parents saying that they don't find this
00:54:09
to be like cailli they don't think that she would open the door for someone at night and
00:54:15
possibly even if it was mad that she wouldn't open the door this is tricky though because we do have
00:54:21
the statement about the knock remember the knock on the door right that drew cassie said happened when Jen
00:54:27
was on the phone Jen said it was a neighbor what if it was Matt and she didn't want to tell
00:54:31
anyone because Matt was her ex that makes a lot of sense mm-hmm Matt would certainly be familiar with Jennifer's
00:54:38
condo and possibly her routines he could have killed her in an argument it doesn't have to be something that was
00:54:45
planned and staged the condo to look like she had gone to work on Tuesday it's certainly a theory that we can't
00:54:53
dismiss offhand but unconcluded reported that both Matt and his buddies he was with that night were questioned they
00:55:02
seemed to have been cooperative and that Matt agreed to a polygraph although Orlando Police Department never
00:55:08
followed through on that and again they should have I I think that's stupid you're not with you you you have the
00:55:14
opportunity to just take it because maybe later you find some stuff and you don't get the opportunity because he
00:55:22
asked the lawyer up but he also doesn't really look similar to the suspect driving her car either that's correct
00:55:30
and there were some reports early on that he was not at work the next day which could just mean that yeah he was
00:55:38
drunk and hungover and didn't make it to work the next day or it could mean that he was busy
00:55:42
cleaning up his mess from the night before right the problem with that statement is we also have statements
00:55:49
that say no that is incorrect he was at work the next day the problem to that that I want to point out is a lot of
00:55:57
people suggest and say that well Matt looks good to me because he doesn't seem to be willing to discuss the case
00:56:05
publicly or go on the record with the you know a newspaper or sit through an interview right and and be filmed but
00:56:12
he's willing to take a polygraph test he's willing to take a polygraph test and everybody that is close to the case
00:56:18
seems to be saying the same thing that he was cooperating with police he mat did at one time release a
00:56:26
statement that said look early on in the investigation when this became big news
00:56:31
down in Florida I was willing to talk with newspapers or with with with the news and media in general the time that
00:56:41
I did do that the one time that I did do that they took my story and twisted it all
00:56:46
around when it finally came out and he you know once bitten twice shy he doesn't want to do another interview
00:56:54
with the newspaper with media because he feels like this could easily happen again that's that's the difficult thing
00:57:02
to for the public to keep in mind you can sit down and discuss the case or what you know or don't know about the
00:57:09
case of somebody that you know intimately somebody that you were on the inner circle of with the media but after
00:57:17
that interview is over you have you you are powerless on how they choose to release it on what they choose to cut
00:57:25
from your interview of what they choose to include and sometimes even the order that they decide to rearrange things
00:57:33
I've always heard that if you're going to do an interview like that where where it could be tricky for you later on in
00:57:40
life the best thing to do is to record the interview yourself right even if it's just audio and go that way you have
00:57:47
something to to back your own back yourself up and say look they they twisted this whole thing up they're
00:57:55
making me sound or they're making me look guilty when in fact these are my answers to their questions
00:58:01
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