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[Music] [Applause] [Music] Nancy Annie's mother jumped on an overnight flight to Dublin she arrived
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on Tuesday March 30th and went straight to the local Garden station to report her daughter missing Nancy assured the
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guardi that her daughter would not have just left she was happy and thrilled to be living in Ireland even stranger
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Annie's possessions anything that you would anticipate somebody taking with them if they planned on leaving they
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were all found right where Annie left them in the flat the gardees investigation got off to a
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slow start Annie's missing photo and public appeal for information were not issued for another seven days this is
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seven days after her mother arrived Annie's father joined Nancy in Dublin for the search of their daughter the
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mccarricks together stayed for six weeks working with the guardian on the investigation
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the guardi put together that Annie had called her friend Anne that day asking her to go hiking that Annie had been
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possibly seen taking this bus in the direction of Ennis Carey which then naturally kind of shifted the focus of
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their investigation from the Sandy Mount area to the enniskerry area right and then of course we have the possible
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sightings of her at the post office and the pub after that there was nothing frustrated with the lack of progress the
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mccarricks hired a seasoned private investigator recommended to them by the U.S embassy one local printer even
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offered to print up 10 000 Flyers advertising Annie's disappearance which included her picture and her description
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which included the outfit they believed she was wearing that day a dark tweed jacket right Oxblood colored boots jeans
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and a Large Satchel type bag which her mother Nancy says Annie took with her everywhere this description of her
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clothes is pretty much backed up by what we saw on the bank CCTV footage with their private investigator the
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mccarricks canvas the Ennis carrier area going door to door with Annie's photo to
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all of the homes between the small village and Johnny Fox's Pub gardee officers spoke with all of
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Annie's friends two former boyfriends were questioned although Garde would not address whether
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they were actually suspects right all those with records of sexual assault in the vicinity were questioned official
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searches were conducted hundreds of Acres were in fact searched in this investigation a computer-generated
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sketch of the man in the wax jacket supposedly seen by the bouncer was circulated describing this man as being
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in his mid-twenties five foot nine inches to five foot ten inches tall with dark brown hair a media
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blitz saturated the news with photos and details about Annie resulting in hundreds of tips the mccarrick's
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desperate even consulted psychics in this investigation but despite all of these
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efforts no trace of Annie mccarrick has ever has ever been found the private investigator hired by the mccarrick
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family this is Brian McCarthy says that after looking into Annie's disappearance and to the
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following all the leads that he could find and I couldn't get a great detailed answer
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for this here Captain but he says the private investigator says he does not believe that the woman seen at Johnny
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Fox's that night was Annie yeah everybody has their own beliefs and and you wonder is that
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coming from evidence or is that just coming from a gut feeling this case is weird because when we look
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at something like Brian Shaffer again so weird to me that these missing person cases Schaefer goes into a bar he's last
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seen on on surveillance Mar Murray she's last seen at an ATM now we have Annie's case she was last
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seen that day that she went missing at that the CC TV footage it makes that footage so much more
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haunting but yeah but yeah it's um this one's different and it feels different because
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you can't really have the argument of normally with the emergency person in case you go okay well
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is there a reason they would want to run away she kind of already did she yeah she's living elsewhere yep
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she's living across the pond thousands of miles away from our family thousands of miles away
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from where she grew up so that kind of already happened but she didn't do so in a way where she wanted
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to lessen contact with her family she was still close with her family her mother's
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coming to visit yes her father didn't want her to go back but at some point your family gets over that so there's no
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if she wanted to lose contact with her past or her family all she had to do is just not answer a phone anymore do you
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look and I know that rules have changed since 9 11 so this being 1993 may not really apply to what I'm thinking now
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but do you need a passport to travel from country to country in Europe because a lot of times you can just hop
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on a train and and go to another country right where in the U.S we're not so we're not built like that you know it's
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we're traveling to another state often but since 9 11 you need a passport to get to Canada right you didn't before
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but what I'm getting at here I only bring that up because we do know her passport was found in her apartment
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right so if she was planning on leaving she's already kind of slowing down her travel in some manner by not taking that
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with her I could be wrong but I would I still think to this day you just need your ID to get to certain countries that
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you don't even need your passport over in the UK what did Jerry Seinfeld say about a driver's license what what is
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required to have a driver's license apparently just a face yeah you know for the picture taking process you need no
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hands sadly Captain after a year-long investigation guardi turned up really nothing new in this case well again
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there's also thousands of sightings yeah that they had to run down and when you think about investigating anything can
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you imagine every time you get a call saying oh we think we saw her at this restaurant or
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we think we saw her here and how many five foot six to five foot ten Burnett Americans did somebody meet and go oh my
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God I think that's Annie so the amount of work that they had to put into this case was was tremendous
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Nancy and John her parents returned to the U.S This months earlier you know we're at the year-long portion of the
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investigation now in our timeline they they went back months earlier but they did go back to Ireland again in uh once
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more this on the first anniversary of her disappearance right hopeful that the publicity just from their visit
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and the reward money which was now 150 000 I'm guessing that's in dollars uh was announced they were hoping that this
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would spur some type of movement on the case it did not nothing new about Annie's case was reported until October
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of 2008 yeah when an article in the Irish Times reported the following uh and bear with me as I read through this
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guardi investigating The Disappearance of and presumed murder of American student Annie mccarrick have interviewed
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two new suspects the suspects were identified after the gardees cold case review Squad recommended a
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reinvestigation of the case by Garde and Bray County Wicklow the case was formally handed over during the summer
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and has now resulted in the identification of two new suspects in the presumed murder of the New Yorker
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the Irish Times understands the investigating team selected the two men for interview based on a review of
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statements taken when Miss mccarrick disappeared 15 years ago and also based on more recent information from members
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of the public gardee Believe Miss Carrick was last seen in Johnny Fox's Pub and Glenn Collins County wiccolo on
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March 26 1993. so we have the private investigator who says I don't think she was ever there we have this article that
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makes it sound like guardi investigators believed that she was at Johnny Fox's um yeah
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and then it goes on to mention a few different things I'm going to kind of skip around here
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um they're mentioning all this stating while this was going on in 93 while it convicted jailed rapist has long been
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noted in the media as a suspect neither of these two men that were interviewed is neither of them were arrested or
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considered to be a PR a prisoner at any time and as we said uh it doesn't sound like they were
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officially suspects and it does say in this article that neither of them have a criminal record
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but what is interesting is they're saying we went back and we're reviewing all of the old information that we did
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have and because of this we see this in a lot of cases when they go cold and you
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hand them over to new investigators they go oh wait a second this lead in this lead
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these were potential leads that we do not believe were properly followed up on at that time right so it had nowhere to
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go at that time yeah so now we're going to talk to these two individuals and try
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to clear some things up at least it's a lead that they're following up further on but
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we don't know the nature of those interviews and we do know that they weren't considered as far as the media knows to
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be actual suspects well the laws over there are different as well too because if you're accused of a sexual assault or
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rape uh as a male they do not use your name so and I've thought about this just in the
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last couple days because there was some charges against uh possibly charges against a UFC fighter
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Conor McGregor that have never really hit the mainstream media in America but a lot of that is we're not clear if he
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was charged or not because they don't use the person's name so on one sense you think well that's
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this country protecting the males but on on some level maybe it's a way to buy everything being
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a little more closed down and a little more controlled by the courts maybe it's allowing for the female
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accusers or their female victims to be able to come forward in such a way that they they feel more
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likely to come forward if that makes any sense well I think where we need to go from from here
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Captain is we need to go through what we introduced to everyone in the trailer which is Ireland's Vanishing triangle
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and I do want to make a special note here about my research for these cases that we're
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about to get into I relied quite a bit extensively in fact on a book called missing presumed by
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Alan Bailey yeah I kept on hearing that uh in the different documentaries and things that talk about that book I'm I'm
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assuming it's pretty well written something that we have yet to mention which goes along with the vanishing
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triangle is the investigative initiative called operation Trace so in the time period between 1993 and 1998 a
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significant number of women vanished in an 80 mile area outside of Dublin in the
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Leinster area and what became known as The Vanishing triangle six of these cases are particularly well known so
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let's take a brief look at these disappearances which did begin with Annie mccarrick's case so following her
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disappearance we have The Disappearance of Jojo Dollard on November 9 1995 21 year old Josephine
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known better as JoJo Dollard went missing she was a waitress who lived with her sister in Callan a small town
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in the county of Kilkenny that Thursday night she met with friends in Dublin quite a ways from home and
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plan to return home by bus however she missed the last bus and started hitchhiking
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which as we said was fairly common during this time her first two rides took her halfway
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home to the town of Moen and I hope I can have that right I probably don't m-o-o-n-e where she called a friend from
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a phone booth this is around midnight Captain she told her friend that she was hitching a ride and waiting
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for another ride to come along multiple Witnesses later told the guardi that she saw that they saw a young woman
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talking in the phone booth but with the door open and she's still trying to thumb a ride even though she's on the
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phone apparently while she's on the phone with her friend she tells the friend hey hold on a
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minute she's gone for about 30 seconds before returning to the phone and saying to the friend I have a lift I'm off
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a witness driving by told police that she saw a car pull over near that phone booth
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and saw a woman get into a vehicle JoJo Dollard was never seen again guardi officers spoke with the two drivers that
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picked up Jojo and drove her you know as far that far that night but again after
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that point it's it's really a mystery we also have 17 year old Sierra Breen who went missing from the seaside town
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of Dundalk and this is on February 13 1997. Sierra's mother said that she and Sierra
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went to bed around midnight and when she got up about two in the morning she noticed that her daughter was gone
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they found the latch to her window it was unlocked the general thought here and this is the
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opinion of her mother and the guardi was that at some point in the night Sierra decided to leave on her own and left the
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window you know went out the window leaving it unlocked so that whenever she was going to sneak back into the home
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she would have a way in she too has never been seen since then in August of 1996 in the town of
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tulamar a 25 year old hairdresser named Fiona Pender went missing she is reported to be seven months pregnant at
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the time of her disappearance she's last seen at an apartment that she shared with her boyfriend John
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Thompson he says he left for work to go work on his family farm at 6 a.m it was thought
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that she may have gone out after sometime after he left but what we do know is she is never seen again after
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this statement of John Thompson saying hey I left and she was she was fine at the time a friend stopped by her
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apartment later that day but the curtains were drawn so she assumed Fiona was asleep
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and you know nobody answers the door her family does report her missing this was
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not until the next day extensive searches and inquiries turned up nothing we have a second Fiona to go through as
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well here Captain this is in February of 1998 Fiona Senate disappeared after leaving Butler's Pub in Wexford she had
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recently suffered a breakup with the father of her child but everyone says she was in good spirits and had social
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plans she looked forward to this according to her family that night she met up with friends at the pub and left
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at closing time to walk a mile along Country Roads to her home this is the last sighting of Fiona she was not
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reported missing for 10 days her home that she was renting at the time provided no clues that I could find in
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any of the reports I think the thought here Captain is that she never made it back to her home that night right
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in July of 98 still another mysterious disappearance this was this is the Tipping Point okay you talked about
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earlier oh nobody should be hitchhiking we got all these missing women this here is the Tipping Point that's
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from the 70s though in our timeline yeah yeah different histories uh we certainly
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learned our lesson unfortunately here in the 70s uh in the United States but again this is when hysteria is going
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to set in at least in the sense of the the press and in the media for Fears of a possible serial killer this comes
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about when we have The Disappearance of an 18 year old student teacher Deirdre Jacob
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as with Annie's case Deirdre spent the day running errands in her hometown uh she was in New Bridge thanks to CCTV
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footage it is known that Deirdre hit the bank at 2 30 p.m the post office 10 minutes later and also went to the
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grocery store she also visited her grandmother at the Sweet Shop she owned in town called she called a friend from
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a phone kiosk and met some friends at a pub she was last seen exchanging greetings
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with a neighbor according to one article quote neighbors saw her about 200 yards
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from her home and then suddenly she was gone she was standing at the side of the
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road about to cross over the street and then she was gone according to articles from the time it was
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established that Deirdre never made it to her front door she was never seen again despite
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Swift and massive official searches for her her family has some kind of hope it sounds like that perhaps she ran off to
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start a new life but of course they know how unlikely this is in the book missing
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presumed by Alan Bailey he writes it was as if the Earth had opened and swallowed
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her hole that's like every missing person case though right like yeah a lot of them it's it's almost like there's
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another dimension that they just slip into well you're hitting on something here
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that I wanted to really make sure that we pointed out with that of Annie's case okay that's what we're spotlighting in
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these two episodes Annie's case yes we have these other ones to consider but with her case 1993 I feel like the
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problems all the things that are problematic about her case and the investigation
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we wouldn't have those problems in 2020 there would have been a lot more cameras
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going on right there cell phone ping technology yeah cell phones we would have street cameras business cameras we
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might even have cameras on these buses and what I'm pointing out here is not so much so
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it's the correction of the timeline and her whereabouts along that timeline we we mentioned that a lot of those
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sightings while some of them are very believable they are officially unconfirmed so we don't know what time
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she went missing we don't know what account is the first false one right if somebody says hey I saw her at the post
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office and she wasn't we we have other video evidence to prove that she never made it
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to that post office we know something happened before right that potential site yeah or you take the pub for
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example with technology now or people constantly going to places all this is a heavy uh tourist attraction guess what
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happens at heavy tourist attractions pictures are taken and would there be a way with the 300 and some people there
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taking pictures could we could we have got a picture of Annie like in the background of a picture to confirm that
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she actually made it to that Pub yeah and and with all of these unexplained disappearances of young ladies in a
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relatively I mean these are low risk Lifestyles that most of these ladies are living
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that's when we start seeing the headlines in the Irish media that are going to talk about a possible serial
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killer preying on women in the areas around Dublin so we see a bit of a media frenzy here with this now after Deidra
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disappeared in 1998 then guardi commissioner Pat Byrne established operation Trace under an FBI
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trained assistant commissioner named John Hickey to investigate possible links between the original six cases the
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two fionas Annie JoJo Sierra and Deirdre commissioner Byrne believed that all six
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missing women had been murdered although it was premature to suggest that the cases were in fact linked
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one thing I want to point out here Captain when we talk about this Vanishing triangle or what kind of list
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how many victims we possibly have I've seen this list with as with as few as six victims who we just mentioned
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it seems pretty common that eight is the common number reported right but I've also seen this to include up to 15
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strange occurrences and two of them being murders that took place before Annie mccarrick went this went missing right
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what I do want to point out though again eight seems to be the most common number what's interesting to me about
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that number eight is within a five year and four month time span we have eight women who are all
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I mean within a what 15 years of one another they all go missing and there this is like no trace of them is
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ever found they don't find a body we talked about that in the trailer how at some point they're offering up a reward
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that just results in into leading investigators to an actual body right you have with missing persons you have
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you have some terrible terrible things working against you in your investigation a murder it can be easier
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to investigate than a missing person's case especially when you have the commissioner coming out and saying hey
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because there's been no activity we believe that these eight missing women have been murdered we don't know
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if there's a link between any of them but the thing that they don't have that you would have in a murder investigation
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you don't have a body which which can contain a lot of evidence a lot of Clues a lot of leads
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you don't have a crime scene so you're really working against it right away and have you seen footage of the surrounding
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areas that took place in these searches some of them yes yeah I mean there's some spots that are so desolate and it's
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almost like the perfect grounds to be able to go hide a body or to bury a body here's the other thing too we talked we
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referenced that um the Wicklow area several times yeah and what we do know is when you look at when you look at
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lists that contain the 15 that I had mentioned they found some bodies in that Wick in
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the Wicklow mountains is what it's often referred to as the more I kept reading about this
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Captain I started wondering like you know how like here we say oh the you know like kind of kind of a common
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Dumping Ground right to hide bodies be it even when they're the crimes are perpetrated by by different individuals
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you know is it like The Place Beyond the Pines where all they everyone's kind of
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when you need a place to dump a body this is where you go but one thing that I think that we see
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here and I'm I'm not going to um I don't want to mislead anybody or take them down any roads that we
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don't have to go down because we have a lot still to get to there there's no part of me that
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believes all 15 of these cases are in fact connected there's no part of me that believes all eight of these cases
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are in fact connected there are yes there are some similarities however we have in some of these cases where
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individuals close to the missing person to the victim have been suspected of being involved
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in their disappearance where we don't have that with Annie Annie's is a little more mysterious and
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part of that too is she's not from there she's not from the area she's not lived
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there her whole life she has a shorter time span in a smaller circle of people and yet she goes missing and we don't
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have any clue as to where she is [Music] foreign Captain you have a lovely voice thank
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you for for singing that for us didn't really take me that long no just you know like one take that was me in the
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shower I get a little higher so I do want to mention here Captain we talked about this book missing presumed
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and really in this case in these cases here there's really nobody more qualified
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for this type of book because Alan Bailey spent 13 years as the national coordinator for the operation Trace task
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force the task force eventually came to the conclusion that there was no serial killer involved in a statement that we
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would see by Bailey told to the Wicklow voice newspaper in 2014 he said quote in
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the end we could name viable independent suspects in five of the cases on the other hand others believe that
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Annie mccarrick Diedra Jacob and JoJo Dullard are all Linked In some form or fashion that it is likely that one
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killer is responsible for those three disappearances right guardi assistant commissioner Martin donellen who was the
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initial lead investigator on Annie's case spoke with the Irish Times about 20 years later this is in 2013. he
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said to him the similarities between the cases of Annie Jojo and Deidra could not
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be ignored these were he considered they all go missing around the same area around the same time of day there was
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just too many possible similarities for him to to set that aside now though I think we should get into
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some Persons of Interest Who we know were considered in Annie's case first this is according to the April
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2019 University Express article called Ireland's Vanishing triangle we cited this article earlier in fact
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but they say that Garde originally focused on a man Annie knew this was based on information gathered from one
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of her friends that Annie had a liaison with someone she had worked with according to the friend Annie had seen
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this man on the Saturday before her disappearance and she told her friend that she had quote let things get out of
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hand with him and just wanted to forget about the whole thing Garde questioned the man and blew apart
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The Alibi he provided which this of course is going to cast further suspicion on him you provide an
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alibi that doesn't seem to be true after intensive questioning the man admitted to the
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the interlude with Annie and told police he had lied to hide from his girlfriend
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the fact that he was cheating with Annie doucheburger according to this article the guardi took this at
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face value and it looks like never they never Revisited this man in question now
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the book missing presumed also dismissed this man as a suspect this leads us to Robert Howard
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in October of 2005 the BBC News reported that the guardi investigating the missing women of the vanishing triangle
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had filed paperwork to interview a convicted murderer named Robert Howard he's 61 years old known in the press as
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the werewolf Howard's records have been sealed but had recently been opened and the Press
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determined that Howard had multiple convictions for rape murder and child abuse the files indicated that police in
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both Ireland and England suspected that Howard may be linked to The Disappearance of up to six women
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two cases in particular were being examined to see if Howard could be responsible these were the cases of Jojo
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Dollard and Annie mccarrick since being convicted in 2003 Howard was serving a life sentence for the 2001
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rape and murder of a 14 year old girl in London her name is Hannah Williams her body was found two years after she went
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missing Howard reportedly had up to 12 addresses in various parts of Ireland throughout
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the 1990s he was linked to a sexual attack on a teenage girl in Dublin in 1993 the same year that Annie vanished
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so this very dangerous werewolf man is reported or believed to possibly have been in the area the same about the same
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time that Annie goes missing right here we have one that I know you're going to like Captain in fact I
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shouldn't say going to like I think you do like it this is the IRA Hitman so in 2009 Hitman okay keep going a
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retired detective that's what I titled it it might be you might notice something else in 2009 a retired
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detective Sergeant uh remember we have Alan Bailey revealed that he had a very reliable source who told him what
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happened to Annie he says this theory is explored in depth in his book now according to Bailey this
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man had been seen by the bouncer at Johnny foxes paying for Annie so under this Theory
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and he was at Johnny Fox's that night with this man who happens to be a what I'm calling a Hitman he's a Hitman for
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the West Belfast Brigade of the Irish Republican Army or IRA listeners might recall that the IRA was
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an extremist militant Group which fought to end British rule of Ireland and ensure unification of the Irish people
00:36:43
under the democratic government this supposed Hitman had fled from murder charges in North Ireland and was
00:36:54
on the lamb in the Republic of Ireland living with some friends in a safe house near Johnny foxes
00:37:00
according to Bailey's Source The Hitman and Annie got a little drunk and the Hitman told Annie things he's not
00:37:09
supposed to talk about so this is talking about illegal activities and about his organization
00:37:16
might have talked about the murder charges well when he realized that he had related secret information to her he
00:37:25
recognized that he needed to get rid of Annie he either offered her a ride or otherwise lured her into his Ford Sierra
00:37:36
while making sure that they were not seen leaving Johnny foxes together after Annie and the Hitman left in his
00:37:45
vehicle he says he strangled her and hid her body under some bushes when he told
00:37:51
his colleagues what he had done at the safe house yeah they they well I don't I don't have information if it was the
00:37:58
people at the safe house but I think that's a safe assumption yeah he said they work to help dispose of her
00:38:06
body more thoroughly somewhere in the Wicklow mountains where she would never be found yeah they buried her apparently
00:38:14
this Ira Hitman later reportedly returned to Northern Ireland where it is believed that he may have committed a
00:38:22
sexual assault to which he then fled to America it seems like the the last known
00:38:28
place he was possibly living was in the state of Texas right now right but it wasn't that he fled that the IRA helped
00:38:38
him leave yeah so to make that clear this is a story being told to Mr Bailey about what
00:38:48
possibly happened to Annie that night yeah and what's tough about this and the reason why this makes a lot of
00:38:56
sense to me is that you have another member of the Ira coming forward and basically saying hey by the way that
00:39:04
was Annie and this guy that was a part of the IRA murdered her and we a collective group of people
00:39:13
helped cover it up so by coming forward you're not you're not just making the claim that
00:39:20
again we've seen it in several cases where somebody comes forward and makes a claim against somebody else and maybe
00:39:27
they're more involved than what they're stating but they're still involved so you have somebody coming forward
00:39:35
and not coming forward in the greatest of light I gotta come forward and confess against this guy but I also have
00:39:42
to conf I have to confess against myself and on top of that I have to confess against other individuals that I know
00:39:49
are horrible individuals I would like to know more details of this Theory that's
00:39:55
related to Mr Bailey because I think where it falls short we still have no body there's there's no one to lead us to
00:40:04
where Annie is right again there's somebody in this area it's going to be hard for you to remember unless you put her
00:40:12
in a certain area based off of a certain landmark you would it'd be very difficult we're
00:40:18
talking about hundreds and hundreds of Acres that they could have buried her I can get on board with that I can see
00:40:24
that so but the other problem is start looking up the IRA and sexual assaults I mean there's multiple individuals that
00:40:31
rape children that they covered that up their sexual assaults they covered up they were covering up murders people
00:40:39
that should have been charged with crimes and they were having them you know they were sending them to America
00:40:44
so they wouldn't have to face these criminal charges and one of the things that I really do like about the
00:40:51
eyewitness at the bar was he even States in his initial vein okay flat chest uh we we have broad shoulders a militant
00:41:01
haircut hmm and I just think with that eyewitness account with the eyewitness account the person
00:41:12
knew or saw her in line to put her on a bus that would put her in that area that's some evidence that she's in that
00:41:20
area and then like I said the other guy coming forward and then why does it it's going to lead
00:41:27
to a dead end anyways because the IRA is covering up all this nonsense that other members have been a
00:41:35
part of and like I said to even Explore some of these claims I didn't see anything on the first five
00:41:45
or six pages of Google as you search because they're they're showing all these other cases
00:41:50
that the IRA has covered up or or set people away so they couldn't be charged with crimes it's horrible
00:41:58
so that leads us to a man that's probably better known in this case or these cases and his name is Larry Murphy
00:42:06
now according to the Irish American which is a publication and many other sources there is a prime suspect in
00:42:15
Annie's disappearance at least among the media this is the convicted rapist in attempted murderer Larry Murphy age 35
00:42:24
known in the press as the Beast of Bolton Glass carbon really bad names in this case
00:42:30
he's a well they're referring to towns and Villages uh car he's a carpenter and handyman at one time he was living in
00:42:40
Wicklow County in 2000 and apparently had no criminal record when he abducted and repeatedly raped a 28 year
00:42:51
old woman who was walking alone in a parking lot after closing down her business
00:42:57
he was stalking this woman watched her routines he hid his car nearby so he wouldn't be seen on camera
00:43:08
he's waiting there for her and as she goes to get into her vehicle he shoved her inside tied her up removed
00:43:17
her shoes and drove to his car where he transferred the victim to his trunk and drove off with her
00:43:25
he drove her to a remote Forest Road in the Wicklow mountains where he's attacking her and raping her
00:43:34
and it looks like he's about to kill her but the headlights of another vehicle suddenly shine on his vehicle inside we
00:43:44
have two Hunters their names are Trevor Moody and Ken Jones they saw that this woman is being attacked and they go to
00:43:53
try to rescue the woman to which Larry fled but the woman survived and was able to later describe him and furthermore
00:44:01
one of the hunters Trevor knew Larry's name it was somebody he knew it turned out that Larry had a history
00:44:08
of violence toward women including one whom he had tried to strangle but these incidents had never been reported and
00:44:17
Trevor had encountered Murphy in a pub just a week before this where a female friend told Trevor that Murphy was
00:44:24
frightening and creepy yeah when guardi showed up at Murphy's home after the rape and attempted murder his wife asked
00:44:33
what was going on and the guardian to which I'm sorry Murphy responds I raped a girl last night Larry
00:44:43
was arrested convicted and sentenced to 15 years however he only served 10 years
00:44:48
and was released in 2010 moving around Europe until he was inevitably recognized and then moving on he was
00:44:57
living in the Netherlands with another convicted rapist when the media tracked him down and so he moved on again
00:45:03
apparently sightings of him even false ones by residents of various small towns have caused near
00:45:10
Mass hysteria because of Murphy's connection in the eyes of the public to the missing
00:45:16
women it is believed that he has returned to Ireland at some point and is living somewhere with his head down and
00:45:24
unbeknownst to his neighbors now Murphy is considered to be a very very serious suspect for Annie's
00:45:32
disappearance as well as some of the others by the Irish press at least for a few reasons one
00:45:40
and it it seems that he was living in the area at the time two his known motive was to abduct rape and affixiate
00:45:49
young women walking alone in daytime committing his heinous acts in the Wicklow mountains where it is believed
00:45:58
that Annie possibly was heading on that day in question right Murphy fits the description of the man allegedly seen
00:46:05
with Annie at the pub he has been described as having boy next door looks also Murphy made some comments during
00:46:14
his interrogation that betrayed the fact that he had likely done this before when being questioned about the young
00:46:22
woman he was eventually convicted of attacking he says quote well she's alive isn't she she was lucky
00:46:32
this this almost giving off the impression like there might be others that have not gone away scenario where
00:46:40
you have a bunch of people going missing stops yeah so that's why a lot of people
00:46:46
believe that he's connected to more of these cases and like you said I I think you can you say all eight are connected
00:46:53
or all 15 are connected I think that would be irresponsible but are a handful of them connected very
00:47:00
possibly in this Murphy responsible for them maybe three of these yeah very possible it seems like he's a serious
00:47:07
serious suspect in the Deidra Deirdre case as well right um something like later many many years later
00:47:17
they found his phone number was believed to be in the possession of Deirdre right at the time that she went
00:47:26
missing but of course you know you can't put these things together at the time uh
00:47:30
this was not figured out until much much later so he's a serious person to consider not only an Annie's but in two
00:47:38
other cases as well uh the FBI profilers do say Larry fit the the profile of the
00:47:45
probable person responsible for possibly even several of these unexplained disappearances I do want to go a step
00:47:52
further though here because we say he resembles the description of the man at the pub I don't believe so we also say
00:48:00
that he fits the the FBI profilers profile of the probable person right both of those scenarios a lot of people
00:48:10
fit both of those the description and the profile yeah but if you look at the sketch they made and you look a picture
00:48:17
a picture of Murphy that's not the same person not saying that the sketch is correct I'm just saying I don't if I
00:48:24
think if you compare the sketch to a picture um it's not the same guy when this dude
00:48:31
was in lock up the beast when he was on lockup apparently he told some other guy
00:48:36
that he did Kill Deidra Jacob right that he lured her into his car and killed her
00:48:44
but I do want to point out the guy that comes forward and says hey he told me this this is also another
00:48:51
convicted murderer so I think it's easier to believe that person on Reddit who says that taxi cabs were not that
00:48:58
common back in 1993 in this area than to believe somebody who we know has murdered somebody but it's a possibility
00:49:06
sometimes these guys get locked up they get behind bars and they start trading War Stories so to speak
00:49:11
and um even in some ways living out a little bit of a fantasy by telling these stories or hearing
00:49:20
these stories before we move on here Captain I think it's important to point out that our
00:49:26
expert that we keep referring to and expert is the perfect word for this gentleman Alan Bailey he says he does
00:49:35
not agree that Murphy should be named as a suspect in all three of the cases that
00:49:41
we keep referencing this is Annie Deirdre and JoJo's case he told the Wicklow voice quote it's
00:49:49
dangerous to name him as a suspect if we say that Larry Murphy did this then people tend to exclude other
00:49:57
possibilities end quote I think that's just responsible I what he's not saying please do not hear what
00:50:05
he's not saying what he's not saying is that he that Murphy is not a suspect he's saying it's dangerous to say he's a
00:50:12
serial killer and we believe him to be responsible for X Y and Z right and then therefore we're not doing our due
00:50:19
diligence and we're we're automatically ruling out other possibilities yeah and another person that has kind of been
00:50:27
brought up in the spotlight as far as the missing girls all eight or all 15 is this guy Mark Hennessey because he
00:50:36
killed a lady in similar fashion Justine Valdez and I believe he ended up there some
00:50:45
people call it suicide by cop right because he was killed he was a father of two and going out in the blaze
00:50:53
of glory he was found meeting these girls on Tinder and but what happens is he looks pretty old
00:51:02
but he's 40. so if you do the math in 1993 he would have been 15. so if we believe that Annie went to this
00:51:13
bar if we believe that at all we have her being reported by seeing with a guy that's 20 late 20s 20s yeah
00:51:22
and yes this guy he's 40 and he's bald and and could he have been prematured bald possibly but
00:51:33
it's just one of those things that Mark was in the news and it was a similar crime and so then people to sell
00:51:39
newspapers go well we let's bring this guy up and talk about the missing curls yeah and I mean if he's 15 that doesn't
00:51:48
you know it doesn't rule him out inside the realm of of serial killers uh 15 is certainly an age that that killing can
00:51:58
start it's rare it's very rare but I think where I have a little bit of an issue with it would be more so the fact
00:52:06
of the it seems like if he was responsible for Annie's disappearance and then he murders in 2018 that there
00:52:15
would have been other things that he would have done between that big gap in time well he got married and had two
00:52:20
kids that's true maybe he was he was busy with that right but it's also weird because the outcome it's almost like
00:52:26
once he knew he was going to get caught I can't live anymore take my life and so
00:52:31
some people point that to evidence that he killed more than one person he was responsible for more things and that's
00:52:38
why he wanted to die I I just don't see it fitting and again I can't rule out the fact that somebody else came forward
00:52:47
to say we helped Barry Annie's body right and that really sticks with me as some like
00:52:55
I said you have to come forward and claim that you did something wrong and you're putting yourself in there's
00:53:02
consequences for that so if they would have done their due diligence if they would have followed this lead if they
00:53:08
would have got the guy maybe he's in America somewhere doing the same same [ __ ] for all we know
00:53:16
but it's like if they would have got the guy the guy that came forward he's going
00:53:21
to get in trouble for something too and that's why I put a little bit of weight onto what he says I also put some weight
00:53:27
into what the bouncer says because I feel like there's a conviction in what he's saying
00:53:32
like I didn't know Annie but once I saw her that she went missing I know that that's the girl I saw that night and
00:53:40
he's been very adamant about it and he has not changed his story now one thing we've seen multiple times
00:53:46
in these types of cases unfortunately is what happens here the mccarrick's divorced about five years after their
00:53:53
daughter disappeared in Ireland Annie's Father John died not too long after that never knowing what became of
00:54:02
his daughter Nancy mccarrick is resigned to the idea that Annie is dead and she has spoken
00:54:12
many times of wanting to have her daughter back at least a grave to visit she told the Irish son quote I'm pretty
00:54:20
sure I'll never see her again my greatest wish would be to be able to take her home to find out what happened
00:54:27
really would be a gift at this point end quote in 2010 Nancy mccarrick was awarded a death certificate for Annie
00:54:36
after court proceedings she brought to have her daughter legally declared dead yeah that same year a friend and
00:54:45
colleague of Annie Marissa mackel wrote an op-ed piece for the Herald newspaper about the release of Larry Murphy she
00:54:56
writes of her [ __ ] that a rapist and attempted murderer a suspect in many abductions someone who has refused any
00:55:05
kind of therapy in prison and who expressed No Remorse for his crimes was being allowed to go scot-free
00:55:12
she laments that Annie was confident and Brash but was also naive and trusting often walking home alone at night after
00:55:21
her shift she writes that Annie told her of her love for Ireland and her convictions that she
00:55:31
that the lovely country was safer than her own the irony did not escape the writer in 2012 Larry Murphy appeared in
00:55:41
a rare TV interview on Irish TV 3's show midweek he denied his involvement in any
00:55:49
of the missing women cases and maintained that if the guard D had any evidence connecting him to the cases he
00:55:57
would have been arrested the woman he raped but who managed to escape thanks to the hunters
00:56:05
invited those two men to her wedding two years later after her ordeal thanking them on her special day for saving her
00:56:12
life according to a write-up for the Irish TV show cracking crime there is a commonly held belief that Annie is
00:56:22
buried somewhere either in the Dublin area or Wicklow mountains in May of 2019 and I don't know what if
00:56:32
anything has come of this just yet Captain but I found this interesting and wanted to include it here
00:56:37
last year the independent reported that FBI profiler John Douglas reached out to
00:56:44
the guard Dee to offer his help in solving the cases of the missing women and again we are stuck here all these
00:56:53
years later in Annie's case 27 years later and we have at least eight missing women
00:57:02
nobody's ever recovered and the the leads are short and the clues in the trail I mean these are all cold cases by this
00:57:13
point do you have one area or one theory that you lean toward or a suspect that you like I know you've referenced the
00:57:19
the IRA thing makes the most sense to me I mean you have an organization that's covering up for people
00:57:26
and and again a guy coming forward that could then be charged with you know tampering with evidence could
00:57:34
be uh moving a corpse there's a lot of charges that he could have been brought upon and I know their systems different
00:57:42
than ours but just because he comes forward and confesses that somebody else did it doesn't mean that he wouldn't be
00:57:48
charged with a crime and again it's just look up how many accusations they have been covering up it's it's terrible well
00:57:57
and I I find that interesting and I like that because there is weight there you know the truth of that theory is that
00:58:09
they're you know be it just a witness or somebody implicating themselves as well
00:58:14
as others at least that's something where with everybody else that's mentioned it's pretty much speculation
00:58:21
there's there's nothing carrying those theories any further or those suspects any further where with with the IRA
00:58:29
thing there is I have something my thoughts my suspicions are total speculation but
00:58:38
there's a problem a big big problem I have with this timeline and with some things that we know
00:58:46
happened okay and if we use a little bit of our thinking caps here put them on tight
00:58:52
and try to figure this thing out I think it points in an in the opposite direction that the investigation went
00:58:58
remember once we have witnesses saying that we think we saw her on a bus right so that drives the investigation all the
00:59:08
way out to the Ennis Cary area and away from her town that she was living in I think the highly suspicious thing here
00:59:16
is the groceries you know she's she's a baker she's somebody that is good enough
00:59:22
at baking she's being paid by the restaurant to provide them with pies and baked goods and things like that
00:59:29
and I just think to my own life all of those refrigerated items that would have been like priority number one for me in
00:59:36
that moment to where I go I feel like something happened to stop that process that she was going about
00:59:45
her chores and her errands for the day and something abruptly interrupted all of that right and then possibly because
00:59:54
she went missing people coming forward saying they want to help yeah and by coming forward it draws the
01:00:01
investigation away and like you said I think there's evidence not just of the grocery store items but the fact that
01:00:07
she had clothes in the washer that didn't get to the dryer um the pie on the on the countertop it
01:00:14
all appears like she's in the middle of a bunch of things at her house where she
01:00:20
should be safe and then all of a sudden all of those things those actions stop so either something drew her out of the
01:00:26
apartment or something took her from that apartment and that really Cuts this timeline in half right that really means
01:00:34
that that a lot of those things that were said to have occurred after the time that she came home did did not
01:00:40
occur that those were not real sightings it also doesn't mean that the IRA story
01:00:45
is wrong it could have just been a different person but we don't have another account of a
01:00:52
missing person that we know in that area so here here's where I go with with that
01:00:57
thought I want to take it a step further I I would love to know the you know when we
01:01:04
talk about these cases there's always like one person in there somewhere that you're like I wish I could sit down with
01:01:10
that person and get their first hand account so I can try to figure out if I believe it to be truthful or not right
01:01:19
or if this person's just trying to help but they don't have great information I would love to talk to this colleague
01:01:27
this person that somewhat knew her or maybe even knew her well that says that they saw her on a bus because
01:01:35
where I remember this is the person that says I saw her but we didn't speak to one another right
01:01:42
they go on to say that that Annie was on the second level of the bus this woman was on the
01:01:50
first she never sees Annie Get Off prior to her getting off right what's missing
01:01:56
from that story is did she see Annie get on the bus because I start to call in a
01:02:01
question if Annie's on the second level and I'm on the first would I have even seen her at all right so that seems a
01:02:08
little weird and where I want to take this a step further where my suspicion immediately goes which I hope that you
01:02:15
know when you have a cold case as we said earlier you go through and you look for leads that were not properly
01:02:21
followed up on the first lead that I call into major question here and maybe it was followed
01:02:27
up on we just do not have enough information to say so one way or the other I question I'm suspicious of this
01:02:33
Plumber guy because he is the one that says I saw her leaving the complex well his statement might only be believable
01:02:43
because later you're believing she was seen at a bus stop and that she was seen on a bus if we can prove that those
01:02:49
other sightings didn't take place why is this guy saying that she left her apartment complex at this time
01:02:57
but she left willingly and left a pie on the counter wet clothes in the wash and
01:03:04
and groceries that require right but Refrigeration but just on the floor right but just because this plumber saw
01:03:11
her leaving the complex doesn't mean she was leaving to get on a bus to go on a hike
01:03:15
so again his story could be completely true as well I'm not saying that it's not I'm saying that that would be the
01:03:22
first lead that I would want to follow up on because there's a chance he's saying he saw her leave that complex
01:03:30
because what he needs for his Alibi or to not be involved is that he needs the investigators to believe that there's a
01:03:38
witness that saw her leaving right but one of the reasons why they believed the plumber is that we have the
01:03:46
next eyewitness saying we saw her flagging down a bus so I I don't know again I wonder true
01:03:54
true but I already pointed out that those are unconfirmed uh sightings it seems like they believe
01:04:01
those sightings to be real or at least one of them but again if if those sightings are incorrect then that's what
01:04:09
that really highlights the suspicion on this Plumber guy because his story becomes believable because of those
01:04:18
other later Witnesses in the timeline if we can prove that something happened to
01:04:23
her before and that she never even went to the bus stop then we gotta we gotta draw a big circle around just that short
01:04:31
time frame it's just it's just like two hours that we have to call in a question
01:04:36
it's very difficult I think we both believe that when you look at all the missing
01:04:42
women's cases that 15 of them are probably not connected eight of them are probably not connected but a handful of
01:04:50
them could be um I don't know if Annie falls into that scenario or not I would argue not
01:05:00
but as far as like this Murphy guy we we have to do something with our system we have to start looking at things
01:05:08
different these individuals these women that are assaulted and raped they're living with scars for the rest
01:05:16
of their life and we're putting such small penalties on these criminals and we know that
01:05:25
these criminals after they become a rapist they're more likely to repeat their offense
01:05:31
and we we need to do something to change that and and I was watching that show um
01:05:38
it was a series of unbelievable and they were saying you know rape is one of the
01:05:44
only crimes that if if you said hey officer I got my bike stolen they just assume you're
01:05:52
telling the truth it's one of the only crimes that somebody then could bats you and says oh
01:06:00
you were raped oh really are you sure you're not making that up they they wouldn't do that if you said
01:06:06
my car got stolen you sure your car got stolen you know so we need to do some things to to change this and one of the
01:06:14
other things is I think if if man could feel the way women do and there was a threat to us
01:06:26
and there was a threat that I possibly could get raped leaving the house then maybe men would take it more seriously
01:06:34
and like you said when you have um they call him the Beast and they just let it let him go
01:06:44
um I think that's ridiculous well and I I don't want to get into I don't know the ins and outs of the
01:06:50
you know the prison system in Ireland but it's a dumpster fire as far as here goes what I can say that has changed
01:07:00
in the years is an individual like that here would have served the full 15. yeah
01:07:07
not gotten out after 10 to get out early and I don't want to say never because we
01:07:13
have seen certain situations you know everybody's so proud of the fact that that Texas is very very harsh and strict
01:07:21
on their prisoners and they're very quick to put in a a speed ramp to to get you to the execution as fast as possible
01:07:29
they they have only come to that because they learned the hard way they were letting out violent criminals back in
01:07:38
the 70s and in the 80s and 90s because of their prisons were overpopulated and at some point they're they're letting
01:07:46
out the the guys that are non-violent offenders and then at some point the prisons are still overcrowded and they
01:07:53
were forced to let out violent violent individuals some of them who were previous murderers some who went on to
01:08:00
murder afterwards so they learned the hard way and now we have the texts that we know and love today
01:08:07
here today what I'm getting at is if this dude the Beast this terrible guy who I do believe is probably guilty of
01:08:14
many more things I don't know if he's responsible for Annie's disappearance but I believe he's guilty of other
01:08:21
horrible acts this individual nowadays here anyway would not be let out until he served the full 15 if he were to get
01:08:29
out early it would be because he did try to rehabilitate himself by taking classes and therapy and so on and so
01:08:37
forth while he was in prison for those 15 years right again though with an individual like this I'd like to bring
01:08:45
up something that John Douglas told us you can't really rehabilitate someone who has never been habilitated in the
01:08:54
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