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[Music] on the Rainy Night of October 13th 1968 cida who was 8 months pregnant and
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her three sons spent the evening at Don Delaney's apartment watching a televised
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Disney movie according to Don Delaney he took them home after the movie and dropped
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them off at Nancy Warren's property at 8:45 p.m. we're going to get into some of the details of this case the what
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details we have but I want to I want to put something forth here where this statement says 8:45 p.m. I've seen other
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reports that would put this drop off time as late as 9 :3 p.m. and it seems like most of the reports are stating
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9:30 p.m. rather than 8:45 p.m a difference of just 45 minutes but that could be could be Paramount to this case
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we talked a little bit about the time of death and not being able to narrow that
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down to any great degree on part one of this case but it's key because there there were major questions about this
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case case from the start and and this drop off time is really where my major questions about this case start and the
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devil is in the details captain and he certainly has been hiding here for a very long time according to the
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statement Don Delaney after dropping them off let's say 9:30 p.m. he then headed to
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Sacramento this is because remember he's a California highway patrol officer he is in the process of undergoing
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specialized training and from my understanding this was a training course that lasted two weeks where he has the
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weekend off so he hangs out with his wife or at least the woman who has his last name who he has fathered the unborn
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child with and her three kids at his apartment with his daughter up until dropping them off that
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night and then having to leave to travel to Sacramento so he can stay the night that night to be there waking up there
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the next morning to start the what I understand is the second week of his training which would take place Monday
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through Friday now we should point out here that this would be approximately a 2hour and 30 minute drive from where
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they are located which is about five or six miles maybe south of Yukaya California and he's headed to Sacramento
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so in any murder investigation the timeline is going to be crucial but also the evidence that we
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can find at the crime scene but because part of the crime scene is outside the weather is going to become a
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factor here yeah the the weather is is a big- Time Factor right so you would expect and I'm I'm always shocked you
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know we talked about this in the Nancy eagleson case where there was no reports of any type of shoe prints bootprints
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tire tracks we know that in that case that she was abducted placed into a vehicle drove down the road about six
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miles away just six miles away and pulled over to the side of the road where she's killed and
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dumped in the woods like right at the tree line I've been to that scene you would have had to have parked your
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vehicle in the dirt Andor mud regardless if you killed her in the vehicle and then then dragged her out to where she
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was found or killed her where she was found you should have some Boot and shoeprints there's no mention of that in
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that in that case here in this case we know that that was their hopes they had hoped that they were going to find tire
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tracks Boot and shoe prints to potentially find and lead them give them a good lead to a suspect but because of
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this rain and it's described as a a heavy rain the police openly talked about that in the early stages in this
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investigation in the newspaper saying we we were hoping to get tire tracks but due to the weather conditions of that
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night and early morning that simply was not possible now sometime between the waning hours of Sunday night and the
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dawning of Monday morning Clyde a jeene and Nancy Warren were attacked and killed both women were viciously beaten
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and strangled now we talked about in part one that CID was likely only struck once so the statement the report we have
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here Captain States cida was struck in the face a single time we don't there's no description if they believe that this
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was with an item or just with one powerful fist but then she was strangled with this leather boot lace or as some
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newspapers were calling it a thong unfortunately she dies from this strangulation
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her baby this is she's eight months pregnant at the time perished in the womb and her lifeless body was left on
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the ground found between her trailer and her grandmother's home Nancy inside of her home Nancy Warren in her trailer
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nearby was attacked in her trailer suffering multiple contusions of the face and head fractured right ribs and
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hemorrhages of the spleen so her attack seems much longer many more blows much more severe
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than what we see against cida now like her granddaughter cida she was strangled with this leather cord and
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ultimately died of ligature regulation she's discovered lying in a puddle of blood on her living room rug
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the as we mentioned the leather cord that was found tightly looped around both of the victim's neck necks so we
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have two leather cords both approximately 36 in in length when the mandino County Sheriff's Office and
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their deputies arrive on the scene they find the two women fully dressed killed in that identical manner of the
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strangulation with the leather cord no sexual assault occurred on either woman that seems to be a pretty definitive
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state really we have no Witnesses here uh with the exception we should note that we
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have a doxen a little dog that belonged to Nancy Warren who was found almost next to her when the deputies arrive on
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the scene they they ruled out remember we talked about them initially ruling out robbery as a possible motive and I
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want to make sure we Circle back to that before we wrap up here today because I think that that was one of a few
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missteps in in what was a very complicated and convoluted crime scene but sometimes when you're law
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enforcement you just don't have anything to go off of we we don't know who the targeted victim is we don't know if it's
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one attacker or multiple attackers we don't have a a definitive timeline it's kind of vague and large that's what she
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said and and then at the crime scene we have really lack of evidence other than the the blood evidence that you you
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talked about we have one statement and I I really wanted to find a way to see if
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we could back this up with anybody else's statements and and there just no was no way but one of Nancy Warren's
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daughters would claim that that she had called attempted to call her mother at 10:15 p.m. that night remember we have
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Don Delaney saying he drops off cida and the kids at approximately 9:30 Nancy Warren's daughter says that
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her call at 10:15 that night went unanswered if in fact she did call that night at
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10:15 the phone's not answered that means either Nancy Warren ignored the call was busy and missed the call or was
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being attacked or already killed when the call came in the crime scene here's where they they were able to to to do
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some to do some real good work and I bet you they thought that this was going to
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lead to the killer or when you have a situation where you you do have a suspect pull which we will see that here
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in a bit you're you're hoping that this evidence will separate your best suspect
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from the not so good ones right but what they did find was the crime scene investigation revealed fingerprints in
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Nancy Warren's trailer that that did not belong to family members or to the First
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Responders we also know that typo blood was found under her fingernails she had type A blood a few days later it was
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revealed or believed by the family and presented to law enforcement that an antique jewelry box that could have
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contained the information here States could have contained anywhere from $300 all the way up to $5,000 worth of
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jewelry and merchandise was missing from Nancy Warren's trailer robbery could be a
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motive but like you said they said it wasn't and and the the purse is dumped in cida's trailer when you have a
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situation where you go we we can't figure out the motive just because you found a a cash box with 300 bucks in it
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that was in plain sight maybe the Killer missed that maybe robbery was the tent here and maybe it wasn't a situation
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where we're going to threaten this woman and try to get money from her could it have been somebody that knew her that
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killed her and then decided they're going to take what they want but may have had to get out of there faster than
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they wanted to it's it or or is it just a situation where we're committing this crime and why we're here might as well
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grab a couple items of value mhm that that's what gets so tricky with some of these cases especially when there's
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little items or like you said this box the Box doesn't have to be that big to carry a lot of valuables in it and so
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then you just go okay so we murdered her and let's grab this box mhm or is it let's grab
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this box because maybe it'll throw law enforcement off the trail now one detail here that I think is is very
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key because Don Delaney he was interviewed the the following day yeah and he's got a great Alibi right he's
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he's in Sacramento for law enforcement training a refresher course he's either in Sacramento or he's on his way to
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Sacramento yes the records have him as being at that law enforcement training facility in
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Sacramento he according to the sheriff's report seemed genuinely upset by the triple
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murder and we do have the reverse the flip of that Captain is family members of Nancy Warren saying that they doubted
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his sincerity he upon being questioned he's he's being questioned he's being talked
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to and he is at the property with the sheriff's office when he's giving some of these statements so during that
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portion of giving the statements he offers up a theory to police that maybe the women were
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attacked by hippies who had came to nany's door looking to borrow gas and he says that he believes well he says that
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he believes that there was a gas can that was missing from the property and that's what he's basing this off of it's
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a weird story to surmise that's your new favorite word surmise it isn't so weird
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if there is in fact a missing gas can but the the problem that that I have and I think that the family has with this
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story is Nancy Warren's Family tells the the investigating officers look our mother kept a 38 in a drawer a
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silverware drawer right next to the front door if anybody knocked on the door especially after dark that gun was
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in her hand when she's opening up the door well I guess it's just weird that he says hippies cuz when I think hippies
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and obviously I wasn't around during that time but when I think hippies I think peace love peace and love man well
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that's that was that was the idea but uh we know it it didn't always work out that way the other thing too is you get
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some of these drug fueled hippies sometimes you have pieace and love people that woke up with peace and love
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in their hearts and now they're they're up to they're doing and committing acts that they never would
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but because they're fueled on on drugs and they have to keep the Habit alive and they got to keep this nomadic
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lifestyle going but also keep it you keep in mind the divide the Great Divide in the late 60s in this country would be
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between the cleancut law enforcement officers and the long-haired hippies of course cleancut police officers are
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going to believe that hippies with no jobs that hitchhike rides and smoke dope all day are going to be gonna be up to
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no good okay yeah I I I forgot he's La law enforcement he's a highway patrol officer think about how many hippies
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he's probably pulled over leading up to this situation so maybe he's going into it with some Prejudice or maybe he's
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trying to cover his own ass in the situation do we have any other murders at the time that would resemble this
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murder in this direct area the problem was I was trying to look for homicides in this direct area leading up to this
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October 1968 date the only reference I could find was they were referencing other double homicides right they were
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probably looking for something that was very similar and I don't think that that
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gives us a great indication of if there could be another murder at some previous
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time that could be connected to this because as I pointed out in point in part one there's a large part of me that
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believes that murder number two only happened because murder number one happened right and and like with any
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situation if somebody sets out to do something your crime scene can get very wonky real quickly if it doesn't go down
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the way that he or she anticipated and if he or she or a group of people had to kill victim number two because of victim
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number one well then that really mucks up your whole motive because their motive was never to kill two people
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their motive would have been to kill one right to me I really believe that with this case and we've talked about how
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important motive is so much in these murder cases that you know I I get it that that a prosecutor doesn't really
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have to prove motive at a homicide murder trial but for an investigator motive is very powerful stuff to finding
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out who did it and why they did it but the the thing that I'm I want to hone in on here and circle around and around and
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around we have statements from the sheriff's office that say when they were told this statement of well mom keeps a
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38 in her silverware drawer right next to the front door and if anybody knocks on the door that guns coming out of that
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drawer that tells me something very important about our victim here Nancy Warren locks her front door why is that
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important to this case her killer obviously was in the trailer with her so she wasn't just sitting there
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watching the Nightly News and some some guy busting through her front door comes
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walking in through the front door and attacks her and kills her that's not what happened here you don't keep a 38
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in a drawer next to your front door and not lock your front door either somebody
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tricked her into allowing them into her trailer or it was somebody that she knew
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and she put that gun back in the drawer because when her family gives that state
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to the sheriff's deputies at the scene of the murder they open up the drawer and that gun's still in there no I agree
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with you and I'm going to point something out and I hope you don't get mad at me the problem though too is we
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have these two trailers that are very close together what was the dynamic what was
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the protocol that would happen when one individual would go visit the other individual's trailer so is it possible
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that both of the victims started out in the same location yeah I I wanted to get a better description of
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of cida's body and how it was lying between those two trailers was there anything there to suggest that she was
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fleeing ny's trailer was there anything to suggest that she was running toward Nancy's trailer that unfortunately we do
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not have a description that would provide us with any any way to speculate on that detail of this of this case this
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is also information that the kids might not have known so even if they question the kids they might not know you know
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when visiting the other trailer when they step in the door do they lock the door immediately at night or they do
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they just leave it open uh do does the person that's you know every time the person leaves leaves their trailer do
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they lock it behind them um when the kids are there or not there you know that's that's where it gets a little
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more complicated but I do believe if if they're in their trailers and it's dark out it would make sense that they would
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lock the door especially if they have a gun right next to the door oh yeah you don't you don't have a loaded firearm
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next to your front door and be a person that doesn't lock the door now on over the course of a Thousand Nights or 2,000
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nights could somebody forget to lock their door absolutely but but we're not here to talk about ifs ANS or butts you
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this is a game poker you play the averages you play the numbers and the numbers and the averages here would
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suggest that her her door was locked that night there's no sign of forced entry she's brutally attacked and
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strangled and killed on her living room floor I'm here to talk about butts and thongs and Cisco we do have a neighbor
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that reported seeing a blue pickup truck sitting in an orchard this would be near
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the antique shop again the antique shop was not entered during the course of that night wasn't broken into there was
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nothing missing from the antique shop that police are on record saying multiple times nobody entered that
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antique shop I have to take them for their word on that okay so the antique Shop's not that far from the road but
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the trailers are further back than the antique shop see that's what makes the most sense to me but very close in
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proximity yeah what makes the most sense to me is instead of pulling into the driveway like you said if it's if it's
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raining or if it's muddy it's not a paved Drive dway just stay on the road go in commit the robbery and
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chances are it's like if I'm at this antique shop and I know that the owner just by talking to her lives behind the
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shop well I'm I'm just going to assume that she's not leaving the money in the shop that she's probably taking the
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money home with her so park on the road run in there maybe multiple people take what you can run out and
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nobody's the wiser the thing is I mean if you're just looking for a snatch and grab to get valuables and potential
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money you you break into the antique store and like you said for for somebody to believe that any valuables that would
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come out of that store would be in a location other than that they would have to know the detail that the owner of the
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store lives next door lives right by there again it's suggesting some some intimate knowledge of the victim
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yeah or like you said this other box of jewelry that would be intimate knowledge
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whether or not the the owner of the shop takes the money home whether or not she
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takes a box of the most precious items home regarding this blue pickup truck that was spotted by one of the neighbors
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he recalls seeing five boys wearing hippie type clothing in the vehicle according to his statement when asked
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why they were there by the witness he said that they claimed that they simply pulled over to to sleep or take a a nap
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for the night a second witness confirms seeing the same pickup truck but we don't get a description from this second
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witness as to how many people may have been in it or who was in the pickup truck just that a similar truck was
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spotted by a second witness who says that they saw this pickup truck drive out of the orchard around 8:15 a.m. now
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now doesn't this iwit and this contact by the eyewitness doesn't this make you wonder was Delaney
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the the husband let's say quote unquote the husband was he privy to this information because if he was then his
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story about hippie hippie stopping by to get some gas would make a little more sense well yeah I mean you could easily
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explain it away if he truly believed that there was a gas can missing from the property and and he overhears that
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we now have two witnesses that spot the same the same style and color truck right in the area one of them saying
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that hippies were in the truck he's he could just be putting two and two together and offering up a theory to
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police the problem that I have with this second witness's statement is that they're saying that the the pickup truck
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pulled out of the orchard around 8:15 a.m. well the bodies have been discovered by the 8-year-old boy prior
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to this time frame and and police would have either been in route or at least a deputy car on scene
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before 8:15 a.m. now all the more better reason to get out of Dodge right but uh
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what you're going to you're going to kill these women I I don't think either of them went to bed that night there's
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we find one woman in the the living room and another woman her she's outside and
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her bed is still made from the day before what you killed both women and then you just hung around there and just
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stayed there for hours and hours and decided not to leave until the police showed up that doesn't that doesn't make
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any sense doesn't make much sense and the other thing that doesn't make a lot of sense to me is five individuals in a
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pickup truck right I what I think we have here is I think that we have this is this is
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desperation shown on the behalf of the persons that live nearby who would have the reason to be most fearful in the
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situation the neighbors right they're TR they're just trying to be helpful they're trying to offer up any
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information to me I I hate to be so dismissive of this information but it seems to me like we just have people
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that are trying to help they probably saw something but it's I don't think that it's of any importance to finding
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the killer or killers of cida and Nancy Warren well on top of that if these guys
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are The Killers why would they not just kill the eyewitness they they just killed two women one that was pregnant
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why would they have hesitate to kill this [Music] individual all right we are back peace and love cheers cheers to you
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Colonel cheers to you Captain usually here I'm cheersing the people in the back and and and having a a moment of uh
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cheerfulness in saying tall cans in the air but I want to point out something that's very important to everybody right
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here right now because this is something that is taking place very soon there is
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a an incredible incredibly important parole hearing date that is going to take place this month July 24th this is
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the South Carolina Board of paroles and pardons and they are going to analyze and decide if Jeffrey Whitlock should be
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paroled now Jeffrey Whitlock is responsible for the abduction murder and rape and it was
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incredibly brutal murder that took place in February of 1990 he was convicted I believe a year or two afterwards the
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victim is Joanne PU it we covered the case and went through some of the particulars of that case recently on off
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the Record but I am reaching out to everybody today and asking for your help to help encourage the South Carolina
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Board of parols and partons to not allow this individual to be paroled this month
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you can go to change.org and simply search Jeffrey Whitlock the petition will come up please sign this petition
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the name is Jeffrey J FF y Whitlock is w t l o c k look up his name and sign that petition let's not
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let this incredibly violent individual evil individual back out on the streets and we will put that information in
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today's show notes as well and if you haven't already check out the off the Record that we did on that case we have
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some suspects as we talked about here in this case captain and I you know I can see by The
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Hourglass that we need to move along and you and I have danced in some of the details or danced on some of the lack of
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details in this case but again it's from 1968 so it's a difficult case to report
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on and to bring you our coverage of but we're hoping that even all these years later that we can our coverage will
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spread awareness about this case that seems to have been forgotten and it's a essentially a triple homicide case now
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there were several theories and let's go through theories and these theories all
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involve some different suspects here so one name that we've talked plenty about is Don Delaney so Theory number one as I
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labeled it the main suspect in the slangs of clida Delaney her unborn B baby and grandmother Nancy Warren was
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California highway patrol officer Don Delan now while he had an alibi we talked about his reoccurring training course
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that he was taking in Sacramento the circumstances of the couple's Quicky marriage their living situation at the
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time of the murders that's all to me very highly suspect of this individual so let's say they did get married in
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Reno after their Reno wedding Delaney continued to share an apartment with his teenage daughter her name's Terry and
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cida and her boys remain on her grandmother's property in retrospect his Alibi seems shaky very shaky and I'll
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get into the details of that here in a bit he says in his statement because because what we get all these years
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later Captain is people saying that you know what there's like 30 to 45 minutes missing from Don Delaney's timeline so
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he checks in we have this law enforcement facility training facility that says we know he was here
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at 1:45 a.m. now they may be saying 1:45 a.m. at the latest but their records indicate he was there at 1:45 a.m. his
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statement to the Sheriff's Office was that he dropped them off at 9:30 and then he he head on down the road to get
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to this training facility we already talked about earlier it's a two and a half hour drive look I
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know that math is not the colonel strong point here but there seems to be to be more than 30 to 45 minutes missing
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from his story and his Alibi he claims that well I my trip took longer than expected
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because at some point I realized that I had left my uniform at my apartment and I had to
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double back retrieve the uniform and then head to the training facility so that's why the trip took longer than
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expected I cannot say based off of his statement how far along he was into into that 2 and 1 half hour drive before he
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had to turn around and retrieve his uniform if I am to believe that at all right if he dropped them off at 9:30 and
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then immediately went on his way to the training facility Well 2 and a half hours 10:00 midnight I have an hour and
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45 minutes missing from this guy's timeline and I think it he wouldn't look as Shady but to have a situation where you
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drop off your kids and then you're heading to this training spot and you just happen that the night that these
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murders took place you just happen to not have your uniform and you have to turn around causing your trip to be
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exponentially longer but what's his blood type that's the problem his blood type doesn't match the blood type that
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was found at the scene I would like to know were any of those fingerprints found in blood because I don't think it
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would be out of the realm of possibility that Don Delaney did not kill Nancy Warren and his fingerprints were found
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in her trailer right I I mean he had a longterm relationship with her granddaughter who lived yards away from
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her trailer so if now if you find those finger if you find those fingerprints in
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Blood and they don't match his then then I'm thinking we have a different that Don Delaney and the killer are not one
00:34:24
and the same right the the family you do get these skew dude here's the problem though and we've seen this with CA cases
00:34:30
that we've actually worked boots on the ground you get these statements that that sound so incriminating from family
00:34:37
members of victims pointing to one suspect time and time again but you have to keep in mind they have a dog in the
00:34:43
fight right they they they may believe that this person is guilty and so when when family members say look he he
00:34:52
seemed like he was pretending to be upset he sounded like he was attempting to be upset we think he really wasn't
00:35:01
willing to cooperate in the investigation that's all he say to me because of the the emotion and the loss
00:35:10
that these people have experienced they're looking at it through through a different lens than than the rest of us
00:35:16
would but we also see these statements change over time too where maybe initially they they didn't suspect him
00:35:23
of the crime then maybe his demeanor his actions and then they again like you said they're they're seeing these
00:35:33
actions through a different like anti-ros pedal glasses well and I think you might have
00:35:39
the same going on on the flip of that where you may have it's 1968 you have Menino County Sheriff's Office
00:35:48
investigating this case and they are looking at this man who is a state highway patrolman and maybe they're
00:35:55
looking at it through a different lens going well we should take him at his word he's a fellow officer we should
00:36:01
yeah his statements should carry more weight than than others and oh his his blood type doesn't match the blood
00:36:08
that's found at the scene so there are some sources that say that the County Sheriff's Office cleared him as a
00:36:18
suspect I don't love reporting that because one I don't know how true that is and two I I don't know that that if
00:36:26
if they did in fact clear him I what did they base that off of just his word the
00:36:31
information that follows that statement is that he has an alibi The Alibi is this Sacramento training facility well
00:36:38
we've already covered that there's an hour and a half to an hour and 45 minutes missing from his timeline that's
00:36:44
not a great Alibi considering you can beat and strangle two women in less than an hour and a half's Time who are some
00:36:52
of the other suspects in this case well you have the father remember he was fighting for full custody of or fighting
00:36:59
for custody of his three boys right which ultimately it sounds like he was granted after the murder so that that
00:37:07
makes me really want to look at him there were rumors of and I I want to say rumors because I couldn't find any
00:37:14
police reports to back this up but there are rumors that the the marriage ended due to domestic violence on his part so
00:37:23
the statements are that he was fiercely battling over custody rights of the these three boys and then Mom ends up
00:37:30
killed she's seeing somebody else already pregnant maybe already even married again though with with John with
00:37:37
the Father the statements are that he was eliminated from the suspect list as well
00:37:44
based off of verified verified statements of him being in Medford Oregon at the time that
00:37:52
the women were slain which that's where he lived at the time he has since passed
00:37:57
away he passed away in 2021 and from my understanding Captain there's while he might look good
00:38:04
circumstantially there was no evidence that ever tied him to the murders of his former wife and her grandmother probably
00:38:11
the most intriguing and this is one that maybe the listeners will find to be the
00:38:16
most intriguing is the Manson family or at least a portion of the Manson family has been considered and still sounds
00:38:22
like still to this day might be a possibility in this case and we know that the Sheriff did not rule out this
00:38:30
possibility the way that they become suspects the Manson family or at least a portion of them it's pretty loose but it
00:38:38
also cannot be ignored in my opinion so this is not just some [ __ ] where a nerd on his computer came up with this
00:38:49
and posted this on some kind of message board or on somebody's blog decades later no the the number one
00:38:58
best-selling True Crime book Helter Skelter page 619 actually don't quote me on that it
00:39:07
might be 617 it's either 617 or 619 discusses the possibility of the Manson family having killed cida and
00:39:17
Nancy Warren so that this is something that's been discussed for a long time now if you go back and you look at the
00:39:22
newspaper reports in 1969 after the Tate and the Le the Lano murders right we have the sheriff in this case the
00:39:33
bedside murders who is requesting information evidence crime scene photos after the Manson family is arrested in
00:39:42
December of 1969 so this is well over a year this is a year and little more than
00:39:47
a month or so after the bedside murders but due to similarities and due to the fact that they he has record of portion
00:39:57
of the Manson family being in Yukaya California the summer before the bedside murders took place we know that that is
00:40:08
fact that is absolute fact we cannot nobody can deny it Charles Manson himself we cannot prove was there but
00:40:15
several members of the Manson family several members that were present and involved in either the Tate murders or
00:40:23
the labianca murders were in Yukaya California because they were arrested after a drug party in fact there was
00:40:33
they were labeled The Witches of mosino County which sounds fanciful and it sounds like oh whoa what were they up to
00:40:40
what kind of crimes did they commit really they just caught them at a at a drug party and they caught caught them
00:40:46
with drugs on their person this would have been Quay luds marijuana and LSD so no no record of committing violent
00:40:55
crimes or even robberies in this area just but later L they did yeah but later they committed violent crimes and we
00:41:03
have this eyewitness saying that hey I saw this truck with these hippies on well and not just a violent not just
00:41:09
violent murders but think about some of the similarities right Somebody went into Nancy Warren's house into her
00:41:16
dwelling into her trailer and killed her yeah well Tate in the Tate case and I yes there's multiple victims so but it's
00:41:23
always referred to as the Sharon Tate case in the T case they went into that home and killed multiple victims okay so
00:41:30
bedside murders multiple victims where the perpetrators entered the home Lanka where Mr and Mrs Lanka were killed they
00:41:39
went into their home and killed multiple victims so there's some similarities and
00:41:45
let's not let's not gloss over the the fact that it takes a special kind of evil to kill a very pregnant woman 8
00:41:53
months pregnant yeah was cida guess what Sharon Tate was like 3 weeks away from her due date so two women who were both
00:42:03
very obviously pregnant were killed and in the Lanka murders Manson was present for that one we know for a fact he was
00:42:13
present for that one they tied up Mr and Mrs Lanka telling them given the old Dennis Raider oh we're just here to rob
00:42:22
you you know zodiac told told some of his victims the same thing I'm just here to take your car I need your keys and
00:42:29
some money I just got to get out of here they told the Lanas the same thing and guess what they tied him up with leather
00:42:38
cord very much like what was found at this same crime scene and if you look up pictures if you go to okay you can go to
00:42:46
celow drive.com and you can see all kinds of pictures from the Lanka crime scene and you can see photo
00:42:53
archives of the evidence in that case and you will see the leather cords which are referred to as leather thongs that
00:43:03
were used to tie up the couple's hands before they were murdered in that case now in in both of those cases they stole
00:43:13
random items from the property they didn't steal everything these were successful people that have lived in big
00:43:20
homes with lots of fancy things and lots of money right they didn't steal everything but they stole some things
00:43:28
watches credit cards stamps driver's license valuables they stole uh things that that were Antiques and to me it's
00:43:37
that's not pointing to the motive of the murder to me that's what these individuals had to do on a daily basis
00:43:45
is they had to constantly be on the lookout for valuable items that they could stuff in their pocket so they can
00:43:52
continue on with this nomadic partying drug drug induced lifestyle yeah and so the sheriff we know looked
00:44:01
into this and was pursuing this as a a big lead in the case in 1969 so much so that it hit the newspapers and it stayed
00:44:10
in the papers years after now there is a an interesting story Johnny the eight-year-old boy who found his mother
00:44:18
and great-grandmother Dead uh that he told a reporter this would have been less than 20 years ago when he was being
00:44:27
interviewed about this case all these years later it was asked do you think that the Manson family Charles Manson
00:44:33
and the Manson family had anything to do with the murder of your mother he said no he said you know I my instincts tell
00:44:39
me that they didn't have anything to do with it even though the sheriff wouldn't
00:44:43
wouldn't deny the possibility even at that time all those years and decades later but he said he said you know you
00:44:50
might be interested in hearing this story is that my father did time in prison multiple he did time in prison
00:44:58
after the murders as well and at one point Charles Manson was locked up in Vacaville uh longtime listeners of the
00:45:07
show will be familiar with that name because that's where Ed keer has been kept all these years so in
00:45:14
Vacaville Manson was locked up there and the story that his Johnny's father told
00:45:20
him was that one day he was walking with a group of guys and he saw man who was sweeping the floors he shouted to
00:45:31
Manson hey hey Charlie who did that thing up in Yukaya now his father told Johnny that there was no way for Charlie
00:45:39
to know exactly who out of the group of guys yelled at him but as his story goes
00:45:45
he says Charlie Manson looked up looked directly at me in the eye and said quote you'll never know will you
00:45:54
now that's a very Charles Manson answer to a question he may have no idea what the guy was even talking about I mean
00:46:01
for a very small individual he is a giant pile of [ __ ] yes there there's there's not many that are bigger piles
00:46:10
of [ __ ] but uh you know it it is certainly an interesting lead I will say that the the sheriff is on record as
00:46:18
saying that both the Manson Murders and the bedside murders case both fall into the same category
00:46:27
of they don't make any sense I think that part of that is where this was lost right unfortunately I think that once
00:46:36
once there was no confession once there was nobody that showed any obvious signs
00:46:40
of guilt and once the the tire tracks shoe prints and bootprints were washed away from that Heavy Rain that downpour
00:46:47
I think they were a little out of their league I think that they they may have run out of ideas I got really tired
00:46:52
investigating and and researching this case and constantly hearing that there they the lack of motive was always a
00:47:00
hindrance in this case what do you mean lack of motive there's every sign to me that there was robbery involved that
00:47:07
that there were stolen goods right from at least Nancy Warren's Place her family
00:47:14
saying that there there could have been valuables up to up to maybe possibly $5,000 if you want to Stage a scene
00:47:21
Guess Who would know to Stage a scene right a guy that served time in prison would know that you know what if I'm
00:47:27
going to go in here and knock off a person or two it wouldn't be a bad idea to make it look like the the motive was
00:47:36
was a robbery or to steal a bunch of stuff and just take it anyway the other person that would know to stage of scene
00:47:41
would be a state highway patrol officer make it look like a robbery stage the scene make it look like it was something
00:47:48
that it wasn't the the problem I have here and I and I hate that they moved off of or at least by that one statement
00:47:56
that I saw is that they moved off of this Don Delaney I think they took him at his word because of his law
00:48:02
enforcement background and it was 1968 right you probably wouldn't move on from a state highway patrol officer so
00:48:10
quickly in 2024 one thing that the Nancy Warren's Family out I don't know we have we have
00:48:18
the Karen Reed trial one thing that Nancy Warren's Family points out is Don Delaney says that he couldn't afford to
00:48:28
buy a home big enough for the five of them that's why they weren't living together the Warren Family says that
00:48:33
Nancy Warren gave him $5,000 to use as a down payment on a house she's dead and all of a sudden he doesn't know anything
00:48:41
about $5,000 now that is a he said she said or he said they said situation right but let's pretend for 30 seconds
00:48:50
here that that's true the the Clock Was ticking for this guy my friend who stood
00:48:56
the most lose and the most to gain and probably the most that he wanted to lose in this whole scenario Don
00:49:04
Delaney the the clock is ticking the the Warren Family is expecting him to buy a
00:49:10
home so that they could move out of the trailer by the way grandma is driving four times I'm sorry three times a day
00:49:19
five days a week to take these kids to school they went to school in Hopland California so she's driving because they
00:49:27
had different start times or finish times based off of their ages she's driving these kids to school that wears
00:49:33
on a person she's housing these people at some point if they got married like she was told aren't you telling that man
00:49:43
it's 1968 aren't you telling that man be a man and get your your your wife and her
00:49:52
kids and her and your soon to be child out of my property and start being a man here the Clock Was ticking she was due
00:50:01
to give birth in November they're killed in the middle of October and who was harassing him about the
00:50:07
$5,000 if he got it did he spend it on something else maybe he wasn't lying when he said he couldn't afford to buy
00:50:13
him a house maybe they weren't lying when they said they gave him $5,000 maybe he just spent it on
00:50:19
something else he also would know that Nancy Warren's got valuable property inside of her home he also would know
00:50:28
you know what it's not a bad idea to go into this trailer and dump out this purse real quick oh I got to kill CLA
00:50:35
because she spotted me coming out of the trailer or may have looked in the window
00:50:38
and saw me in the trailer killing her grandmother and could easily identify me the other thing too that I wonder about
00:50:46
here Captain does Nancy waren whether she likes Don Delaney or not does she open up the door for him
00:50:54
willingly on that night no gun in hand because they have to have a talk about the
00:51:01
$5,000 or or they just have a have to have a talk about their relationship yeah do we have to have a talk about the
00:51:08
situation of everything or is there a ruse of hey I'm here to talk about the money with you paying it back to you or
00:51:16
what have you it's just I have a real hard time and I get that he was doing what seemed to be routine because in his
00:51:24
defense there are several persons that say you know what it was not irregular for him to be dropping them off on a
00:51:32
Sunday night that they would often have Sunday dinner together whether it be at the Warren's place or his place or at a
00:51:39
restaurant or what have you and that he would be dropping cida and the kids off on Sunday nights so that's not out of
00:51:47
routine but what it does is it puts him at the murder scene and he also has a missing over 1 hour time frame from his
00:51:56
from his Alibi time frame I'm picking up what you're putting down my only issue though is one of these things doesn't
00:52:04
belong here right the blood evidence is difficult the blood evidence is difficult the fingerprints evidence is
00:52:12
difficult and the other thing too is we have if this eyewitness is correct and they saw
00:52:18
individuals that shouldn't have been there see he by dropping off the kids Delaney should be there
00:52:27
that makes sense why he would be there yep but you have these other individuals that are spotted why are they there
00:52:34
they're not supposed to be there Y and that's the thing I can't wrap my head around well and and that probably mucked
00:52:41
it up for the the Sheriff's Office back in 68 right you look the sheriff's office
00:52:48
is not going to be fond of hippies in' 68 and guess what they're not going to be fond of in ' 69 after a group of air
00:52:55
quotes h go out and murder two families and do you think because of the Manson connections do you think that's why law
00:53:06
enforcement maybe hasn't had the pressure on them to release more information about this case um no I
00:53:13
think that it's uh it was 1968 and a lack of investigative resources did not provide them with physical evidence
00:53:25
to give us certain details about the case right I I think that that they were limited by technology and investigative
00:53:38
knowhow not just by their outfit but by the time and that I think that this obviously I think we all can agree that
00:53:48
this would been investigated very differently and much more evidence would have been uh collected and stored if
00:53:56
this took place two weeks ago one part that I can't fault them for saying that Don Delaney's blood type doesn't match
00:54:05
the blood type of of who we think is the killer the other thing that's not great
00:54:10
for law enforcement when you get a typo blood type of of your suspect is that that's the the
00:54:18
largest population the largest portion of the population has typo blood so that doesn't you know if you're really hoping
00:54:24
to narrow it down that doesn't help a whole lot but I I think that there I question the
00:54:32
technology of 1968 I question we know that our victim bled a good amount at the crime scene we know that our suspect
00:54:40
at least at least one of the suspects bled at the crime scene do we have a mixing of that blood
00:54:48
that would would leave us with tainted blood evidence that would lead us leave us with tests that are not accurate
00:54:58
that's my that's my strong suspicion here in this case is that the the evidence is probably just not so great
00:55:08
and a lot of that is due to it being 1968 now as to what you were saying yes that's something that has to
00:55:17
be explored and considered because the there's no doubt that the masses believe and there's 100% %
00:55:26
evidence in fact I believe they were even convicted of this or some of them were convicted of it there's other
00:55:31
murders that the Manson family committed outside of the Tate murder scene and the
00:55:38
Lanka murder scene right they're they're absolutely is uh at least two that I can
00:55:44
think of and then keep in mind it was like six months uh I'd have to go and check the the exact dates but I think it
00:55:52
was like 6 months between the time that those murders took place that that made them so
00:55:59
Infamous between that time and the time that they were actually picked up and arrested for it so what murders did they
00:56:05
commit in in the meantime yeah that's one of the things that fascinating when you look into just the maning the Manson
00:56:13
family murders is you have known criminal activity known murders and then there's a pretty big list of
00:56:23
other murders that they're suspected of and they just haven't been able to I don't know if it's they couldn't get the
00:56:29
confessions or they couldn't get the evidence to try them in court or is it one of those things like with the
00:56:38
Atlanta child murders where there's just so many victims and you go well we we got them on these murders and they're
00:56:45
going to most of the uh Manson family murderers are going to spend the rest of their life in jail so close the books on
00:56:53
these other cases yeah and here so to give a little bit better information here clean up of some of what I've said
00:57:01
so the the murders that the Manson family is Infamous for took place in early August they weren't they were not
00:57:09
arrested until December you do have a good period of time that goes by a gentleman by the last name of crow was
00:57:17
killed by the Manson family and Gary Allen Henman was killed by the Manson family as well and then you have the
00:57:25
Shea murder that took place and then you have they they're suspects they're considered to
00:57:31
be suspects in it's like nine or 10 other other murder cases now some of that may be just simply you're trying to
00:57:41
make connections where there is no connection but like the sheriff said in this case he's not ruled out that
00:57:49
possibility it doesn't seem like a strong possibility I sit here and I look at this case and I think there's better
00:57:54
suspects one in particular that that should be focused in on more than the Manson
00:58:17
F you could be anywhere in the world but you're choosing to be with us be nasty talk a little True Crime Colonel do we
00:58:25
have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners yes we want to remind everybody to help us out with
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00:58:42
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00:58:55
Whitlock this week Captain let's recommend to the great listeners a book called chaos Charles Manson the CIA and
00:59:03
the secret history of the 60s this is by Tom O'Neal for 20 years Tom O'Neal had a
00:59:10
fascination with the Manson Murders and his interviews and his investigation leads to shocking New Revelations about
00:59:19
the FBI about the CIA and as said in the title The Secret history of the 60s check out the book chaos Charles Manson
00:59:29
the CIA and the secret history of the 60s by Tom O'Neal you can find that recommendation and many more on our
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website true Crim garage.com and until next week be good be kind and don't live [Music]
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