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[Music] crime [Music] on November 29th 2005 in Morgantown West Virginia a respiratory therapist named Sean Al
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wrapped up his overnight shift at Ruby Memorial Hospital Al who was also a firefighter left the hospital and went
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home to shower before heading over to the Star City Fire Department to start his shift just after 8:00 a.m. alt
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parked his truck in his driveway on Karne Drive about a mile from the hospital and got out of his truck a
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trained firefighter he immediately recognized the smell of a house fire but visibly noticed nothing wrong with his
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own home or his neighbor houses so he went inside showered and came back out at 8:20 a.m. the smell was still there
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there puzzled he Shrugged it off and he started his truck he drove to the four-way stop sign at Karne in Eastern
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Avenue and as he stopped he saw his neighbor from four houses down Shelly Michael and her silver Ford Expedition
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with its six-pack vanity plates Shelly backed out of her own driveway and she drove to the
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intersection stopping at the sign directly across from alt Alt knew shelle's husband Jimmy Michael very well
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alt and Jimmy attended respiratory therapy school together and Shel was a pediatric nurse practitioner in the same
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hospital that alt worked at but on this day Shelly did not acknowledge Al's raised hand wave on that morning
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Michelle Shelly Michael ignored Shawn Al and quickly sped off through the intersection and that was that but Sha's
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sighting of Shelly speeding away would soon change everything because this is a case of planned premeditated murder
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someone thought they could commit the perfect crime and get away with it this is true crime garage and this is the
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case of Michelle Shelly Michael [Music] around 10:20 on the morning of Tuesday November 29th 2005 in the pouring rain
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two utility workers Monty and Rodney were driving along karney drive and morgage in Town West Virginia when Monty
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told Rodney to stop the vehicle Monty noticed that what looked like a house fire at number
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545 observing smoke pouring from an upstairs window they called their dispatcher and told her to call
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911 Monty ran to the house and banged on the door he could hear the smoke alarms
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and looking through a window he could see that one of the ground level ceilings had partially collapsed around
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this time an off-duty fireman Keith Summers ran up he too noticed that his neighbor's home was on fire Keith called
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911 and tried to see if anyone was inside the home as he prepared to break a set of French doors at the rear of the
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house an explosion shattered the upstairs window and Flame shot out it was a flashover the time was 10:27 a.m.
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well luckily the fire trck was only about a mile away at this point yeah the Morgantown fire department just happened
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to be very close they were in the area when that call came in Captain so 10 firefighters arrived at 545 korne drive
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by 10:32 a.m. that's a 5 minute response time they kicked in the front door and they observed that the Flames were all
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on the upstairs level so nothing on the first floor the first floor was perfect except for the room with the collapsed
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ceiling well the clap ceiling is coming from the master bedroom on the second floor that's correct the master bedroom
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was in such bad shape with the fire that the firefighters could not enter the room all they could do was stand at the
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doorway and spray the hose in and hope that the fire would die down right the entire room was burned to a crisp
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blackened every piece of furniture charred and destroyed firefighters stuck with it though training the hose on the
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bedroom and inspecting the rest of the house at the same time one relief to everyone on the scene was there was no
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immediate sign that anyone was in the house while this is going on a man named Bobby teats drove up to the home Bobby
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and his wife Kelly were best friends with the residents of 545 Karne Drive Jimmy and Shelly Michael Bobby and Jimmy
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work together at Jimmy's new company this is Mountaineer Home Medical Supply and they also coached their son's
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football team together Shelly and Kelly were also close both coaching their daughter's cheer team Bobby drove over
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to the Michaels house that morning because no one could figure out where Jimmy Michael was and why he had not
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shown up at work right he was always at work by 7:30 a.m. he's the kind of guy you can set your watch to his schedule
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his work schedule and in fact on that morning Captain Jimmy had an important installation appointment that morning
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and he missed it so this is something he certainly would not miss as a successful
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businessman and he was not answering his cell phone as well Bobby told the deputy
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Fire Marshal on the scene this is Lieutenant tenant that he thought Jimmy might be inside the home now they looked
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in the garage and sure enough Jimmy's vehicle was inside right and the other problem is the hottest spot or the most
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damaged spot is the master bedroom and who would sleep in that mhm the husband and wife yeah so the lieutenant radioed
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to stop the firefighters inside from Wrecking the scene and told them to start looking for a body now crawling on
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the burned out floor in the pitch black room filled with smoke and steam the firefighters made their way to what
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little was left of the actual bed by this point it's just going to be the the Springs left of this mattress and the
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frame and there on top of the bed was a very badly burned body so badly burned that it had no hands the lower legs were
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gone and the skin was gone as well wow all that was recognizable as actually human was
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teeth presumably Jimmy Michael this is his body it almost seems like there was some kind of accelerant
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used in that room so now this went from being a house fire call to a death investigation at this same time Jimmy's
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wife Shelly Michael arrived on the scene now let's give a little background information on some of these characters
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that we've already introduced Michelle guts was born to Michael and Kathy guts on January 29th 1972 in Clarksburg West
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Virginia she was a go-getter from the beginning straight A student a competitive cheerleader at just 100
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lounds she was a tiny bombshell running track playing basketball and swimming on
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the swim team she was the president of the National Honor Society chapter at her school serving on the yearbook
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committee student council Key Club Spanish club and manager of the school store she did all the stuff that you and
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I failed to do what you talk yeah speak for yourself you were the manager of the
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school store no I I never I don't even think I went into the school store four years of
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high school so with all of this activity it's easy to see that she was Miss Popularity and voted most likely to
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succeed M shell who she would later become known as that's her nickname Michelle guts became shell Michael she
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went on to cheer at West Virginia University where she found herself pregnant by her boyfriend while she's
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still a student and the boyfriend was a fellow student as well named Bruce Atkins even though she and Bruce broke
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up Shelly had the baby a boy named Alec and continued to be enrolled at the WVU nursing program she then met Rob
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Angus and they married in 1995 so Rob adopted Alec her son and shell became pregnant again at 8 and
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1/2 months pregnant she was caught shoplifting a baby pumpkin Halloween costume and it was the second time that
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she had been caught stealing from a store I guess the first time was a like a minor infraction back when she was a
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juvenile after having the new baby Shelly landed a coveted job as a nurse in the Pediatric Intensive Care Unit at
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Ruby Memorial Hospital Hospital her marriage to Rob was Rocky and shell soon got a reputation for flirting with the
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men at work she was notorious for doing backflips in the hospital hallways always very professional when you see
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that yeah she a little desperate too yeah she enjoyed showing off and she by everyone's accounts loved the attention
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all the beautiful women out there you don't have to do backflips to get a good guy I you know how hurt I would be if I
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tried to do a backflip her supervisor Stephanie Michael recalled that Shelly was all about flirting at the hospital
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and Stephanie would soon learn that Shelly wasn't just flirting in fact shell set her sights on Stephanie's
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husband this was Jimmy Michael a respiratory therapist great Stephanie and Jimmy were already having marital
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difficulties but when he met Shelly it was all over they shared shifts at the hospital and Shelly taught Jimmy who was
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a big guy over 220 lbs how to throw her up in the air and catch her cheerleader style so you can picture what's going on
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in behind the scenes at this Hospital yeah maybe the these people need to spend more time trying to save people's
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lives than do gymnast tricks practice on finding that vein rather than backflips
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in the hallway so they're doing they're basically these two behaving like cheerleaders behind the scenes at this
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Hospital be aggressive passive aggressive so Jimmy and Shelly progressed to a full-blown Affair very
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quickly Jimmy became infatuated with Shelly both marriages no surprise here disintegrated soon after this and Shelly
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and Jimmy moved in together so Stephanie and they still have to work with this lady they have to work with everybody
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but it's it gets even more interesting yeah Stephanie who continued to work with shell at the hospital started
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dating Shell's ex-husband Rob Angus what yeah it's like a like a wife swapper in this
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in this situation maybe a husband SWA Double Dipper nipple liquor something Shelly and Jimmy quickly married and
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Shelly banned Jimmy from any contact with his ex Stephanie all right yeah because the most jealous people are the
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ones that cheat mhm well and this is going to be difficult too because as you said Captain they all still work
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together all communication between the two of them hold on they're they're a couple wine coolers away from just all
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having sex with each other well according to what I could find all communication between the two of them
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this is Jimmy and his ex Stephanie they have children together right all communication between the two of them
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had to go through Shelly this is one of Shell's rules now shell had two kids a boy and a girl and Jimmy had a boy and a
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girl as well all about the same age but that's also the other problem is if he was cheating on his wife when he met you
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then for the rest of the time while he's with you you're going to be thinking he
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has the ability to cheat on me correct but I mean obviously everybody's doing this kind of behavior doesn't make it
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right so Shelly focused on integrating the two families you know kind of like a modernday Brady
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Bunch because of the respective custody Arrangements this is several days a week
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the Michael household Jimmy and Shelly consisted of a blended family of six people the two of them and the four
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kids two from each previous marriage and shell wanted to project a certain image
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for their family she pushed Jimmy to buy a large house that she wanted she dressed the children and herself in
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designer labels she volunteered at all of the kids stuff always taking charge the family went to church every Sunday
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dressed to the nines according to Jimmy's father Denny quote she meaning Shelly wanted everybody to think they
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were the perfect family end quote Shelly arranged for Jimmy to pay for her to get
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her master's degree in nursing even though it meant he had to take on more work to have better income I wonder if
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she was shocked when she got to church and they said Thou shalt not covet the neighbor's wife well Shelley ended up
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getting her master's degree and was offered a full-time job at Ruby Memorial in the Pediatric unit it seemed it was
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everything that she had ever wanted Jimmy started his own respiratory therapy company and it was doing well
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but then Shelly bulked at the concept of working full-time she expected Jimmy's new
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business to start making lots of money very quickly she was disciplined by her job at the hospital a number of times
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and this was for taking unauthorized vacations I call that a no call no show unauthorized vacation right Shelly
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started to look for different work something that she could do while staying at home she wanted to work
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from home and be with the kids by the way next week I have an unauthorized vacation right at least you're telling
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me about it we've already introduced the Michaels close friends remember Bobby and Kelly teats I never forget teats
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Shelly and Jimmy's exes Stephanie and Rob dated for a while but they split up and both married other people so this is
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this is a little bit confusing to follow here because it feels like this hospital
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is almost a few episodes of of the bachelor right shell also had a best friend named Renee who lived in another
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state and both Shelly and Jimmy had parents who were very close with them and active in their lives Jimmy's
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parents were Pastor Denny and Mom Ruth Michael shelle's parents were whom we've already introduced Kathy and Michael
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guts who divorced when Shelly was in college so now we have the background of everybody
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back to the scene of the house fire you might have the background but I'm I'm confused the important things to make
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mental note of here is this Hide Your Hide your husband the two hooked up divorced their exes and they're trying
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to have this blended family each brought two children with them to the family the
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their close friends are Bobby and Kelly TS who both Jimmy and Shelly are very close with at the fire scene Captain we
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have Bobby T's good friend showed up to his buddy's house and alerted firefighters to the fact that Jimmy was
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missing while they started to search for Jimmy Bobby tried to call Shelly who was
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on duty at her job at the pediatric department at Ruby Memorial he could not reach her so he called his own wife
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Kelly and asked her to try while he himself checked in with Rob and Stephanie to make sure there were no
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kids in the house right and thank God there were not all four kids actually spent the previous night out of the
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house they were with their their other parents so Kelly called the hospital and had her friend Shelly paged when she got
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her on the phone Kelly said your house is on fire and no one can find Jimmy Shelly said oh my God hung up and told
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the clerk her boss I have to go my house is on fire the clerk's name is Nancy she later
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said that shell seemed emotionalist as she stated this very matter of factly before shell left Shelly called
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her husband well hold on in defense how would you react I mean who who knows how you react somebody called
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me and said your house is on fire it's like well there's nothing I can do about it even if I run out of here with a fire
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extinguisher I'm not going to be able to put put the fire out well but there are
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going to be a set of circumstances that are going to require us to reflect on all of these little right I think bits
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of information well I think as a parent the first thing is where are the kids oh
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I know the kids are safe okay things can be replaced so I'm just saying I just don't think that's uh the most damning
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of evidence so before she left she attempts to call her husband Jimmy's cell phone and left a message the
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message was Jimmy where are you I just heard that our house is on fire where are you call me
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back so Shel leaves work she arrived at home and found her ex-husband Rob and her friends Bobby and Kelly TS waiting
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there to comfort her Jimmy's ex Stephanie and other friends and family soon arrived it was chaos as anyone
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would expect Shelly seemed despondent according to accounts saying over and over again find Jimmy and tell God to
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give Jimmy back but the weird thing was although she was described as visibly in
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shock no one saw Shelly Michael shed any actual tears any real tears the detective arrived on the scene at 11:18
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a.m. and he met with the lieutenant from the fire department to review the fire damage and see the body they discovered
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on the remains of the bed now the lieutenant told the detective that there were some very
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interesting and strange things about the fire there were red flags first only the
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bedroom only the master bedroom was burned the rest of the house was unscathed second the body they found
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which at this point you're presuming it to be that of Jimmy it was prone on the bed as if he slept through all of the
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smoke alarms the smell the Blaze the heat the whole thing right that doesn't make a lot of sense no not at all and
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Jimmy's parents Denny and Ruth were called by Kelly tees arriving at their son's home afternoon on that day now
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after being told that Jimmy was dead his father Denny demanded to see his son's body and actually charged the front door
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when he was denied this request and he was so infuriated that he punched a police officer in the eye and had to be
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restrained he and his wife Ruth went to find Shelly their daughter-in-law to commiserate over their tragic loss and
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Denny found Shelly being comforted at a neighbor's home by her sister Jennifer then he hugged her and thanked her for
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loving his son to which Shelly responded quote I wish I would have loved him more
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one of Jimmy's best friends from childhood arrived on the scene and he's trying to comfort
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Shelly and I bet he is when he went to express to her his condolences she looked at him and said
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something to the effect of did you get that outfit at boss so this person's very taken aback it
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seemed like a very weird question I mean guessing that's like a clothing store yeah I've I've not heard of it but I
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mean I mean picture this is supposed to be a horrible tragic day again no one knows who how any of us would react
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right but it seemed to be very bizarre that she would be asking about someone's outfit
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and one neighbor asked Shelly if she could get her anything Shell's response was a new
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husband so I you know who knows Jesus just just bizarre behavior I I don't care what anybody says I'm fine judging
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roses out that's right me and the colonel are going to be handing out roses to all the ladies and kicking
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people out of the house left and right yeah so the detective on the scene Captain was able to do like a quick
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initial interview with Shelly this is as she sitting at the neighbor's house now
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here's what shell told the detective happened in the hours leading up to the fire the detective wants to know and
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start putting together a timeline on everything right she said that Jimmy spent the Monday night this would be
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November 28th hunting in Pennsylvania with his father and then he coached his son's basketball practice that night
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until 900 p.m. his co- coach for the Suns team was his ex-wife's Stephanie's new husband Dan now Dan and Stephanie
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had the kids that night and Dan and Jimmy made arrangements for handing off the kids on Wednesday Jimmy then went
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home after coaching the basketball team it was pretty late and he was very tired
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Shelly says when she got home she found Jimmy lying on the couch watching Monday
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Night Football they joked a little bit about him shooting I guess he he only shot a dough and not a buck on the trip
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Jimmy then went to bed and sh shell stayed up watching a cheer competition DVD both sets of kids again were with
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their other parents on that night at 5:15 a.m. on Tuesday Shelly got up she kisses her sleeping husband Jimmy on the
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forehead and she gets ready for work she noted that the iron was on the ironing board in the bedroom Shelly arrived at
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work at 6:30 a.m. this is half an hour early she tended to patience spoke with several co-workers and called Jimmy's
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cell phone and left a message at 7:24 a.m. this is one of our very first clues that something is not not right here in
00:31:43
my opinion at 7:24 a.m. she leaves the following message she's asking Jimmy to pack the kids a lunch keep in mind this
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is even though they were not staying at their home or at their house that morning yeah but I could see it being
00:32:00
maybe get busy some weird thing where the parents forgot the other parents forgot so somebody needs a pack them
00:32:07
lunch or bring them lunch money or something but still that's a little strange so she says then she tried
00:32:14
calling the house phone after leaving the message she gets a busy signal so then she goes to her vehicle to retrieve
00:32:22
her pager this is sometime around 8:20 a.m. she told her super supervisor that morning that she forgot her pager left
00:32:31
it in the car I got to go retrieve it she needs this for work then she got the call from Kelly te telling her that the
00:32:39
house was on fire and no one could find or locate Jimmy this was around 10:30 a.m. okay so the detective noted some
00:32:49
strange things as he spoke to Shelly he found the following about Shelly while talking with her her and observing her
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and these were from his notes and his observations he says that Shel wanted to be the center of attention she was more
00:33:07
concerned about herself than her dead husband she wasn't asking the right questions and she had not cried not even
00:33:14
for a second while in the presence of the detective of course this this lady wants attention she's doing back flips
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at work well now that it's a established that Jimmy was deceased the detective is
00:33:30
going to sit down with everybody in that Circle that cast of characters that we introduced you to and interview them one
00:33:37
by one and here is what he learned from those interviews that the marriage seemed to be in quite some
00:33:45
trouble Shelly had stopped sleeping with Jimmy and Jimmy was vocally not happy about this he's telling other people
00:33:55
that the marriage is on the rocks and then he relays this story someone mailed one of Shell's sweaters to Jimmy
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and it had a note attached to it that read keep your [ __ ] wife away from my husband so she's cheating again or at
00:34:13
least someone's accusing her of such yeah well why would she have her sweater I don't know but Jimmy talked to several
00:34:20
of his friends about this he asked for advice from his pastor and he was actively collecting and Gathering some
00:34:28
names of divorce attorneys well the difficult thing this is not that many years after he left his wife for Shelly
00:34:36
Jimmy's new business was doing very well but not well enough that Shelly could stop working and Shelly did not want to
00:34:44
work this is according to her circle of friends and family she wanted to be a stay-at-home mom she wanted to you know
00:34:52
shop get her nails done well you know what I want to be an astronaut okay but not everything that's possible well and
00:34:58
then we have to compound that with we know she's in trouble at work she's already you know she's had trouble with
00:35:05
her with her boss she's been taking these unauthorized vacations well she's probably trying to sleep with all of her
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co-workers husbands well the day that Jimmy died on that Tuesday was Shell's first day back at work this is after 3
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weeks off for a quote quote knee injury after falling down the front porch steps
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and taking 3 weeks sick leave from work now during that time that she's off of work to nurse her knee injury well it's
00:35:39
like why go to work if you can't do backflips she managed to take her daughter out of state to a cheer
00:35:46
competition to multiple cheer competitions during this time I get it you can drive and you can still be a
00:35:52
parent while injured maybe you can't go to work but I think what the Imp lication is here is that she may have
00:35:59
needed time off from work from her shifts so she could take her child to these competitions and sounds like she
00:36:07
wanted to be a cheer mom and so possibly she faked this injury to get a few weeks
00:36:12
off of of work now shell was mean to Jimmy's son Drew this is by the accounts of others in their Circle and said that
00:36:22
he picked on him incessantly to the point that others took obvious notice of this yeah that's not cool the other
00:36:29
thing that the detective Learned was that Jimmy did not drink alcohol or do drugs the couple purchased a $500,000
00:36:37
life insurance policy on Jimmy just 6 months earlier Shelly knew about the policy and in fact was the sole
00:36:44
beneficiary of this policy Jimmy's cell phone was found on the counter in the kitchen of the home on the day that he
00:36:52
died and everyone the detective interviewed told him that that Jimmy especially being a business owner was
00:37:01
never without his cell phone even while sleeping he kept the phone on a nightstand next to the bed Jimmy was a
00:37:08
very light sleeper according to others and would never have slept through a fire so the detective also spoke with
00:37:17
Shawn Al now remember we talked about Shawn Al in the trailer for today he's the neighbor who told the detective that
00:37:25
he saw Shelly driving away from their home from M from the Michael house around 8:25 a.m. and here's the kicker
00:37:34
the detective heard rumors from several witnesses that Bobby teats Jimmy's close
00:37:39
friend was having an affair with Shelly Michael oh the two not tis anybody but tis wait so but I got a
00:37:50
question shouldn't she already be at work at this point mhm so correct so I'm I I feel like she had to have some kind
00:38:02
of ruse to her bosses or co-workers to get away from to leave work at some point well
00:38:13
you uh you you would be a very good Sherlock Holmes there captain now Bobby and Shelly they were doing
00:38:22
some kind of trying to start up some kind of small business together in their free time they went on a business trip
00:38:30
to Chicago a week earlier and what the detective will find here is the two were visibly on video at
00:38:40
the hotel kissing on surveillance footage and many people including Shell's pastor and others noticed that
00:38:48
Shelly was constantly being comforted by and at times even holding hands or lying
00:38:54
on a bed with Bobby while his wife and Shell's friend Kelly dealt with the funeral
00:39:03
arrangements for Jimmy Mrs teats yeah so they're not very uh Shelly and Bobby are
00:39:10
not very discreet about their affection for one another PDA fire inspectors looked at everything in the house to try
00:39:19
to determine the cause of the fire they you know they're going to look at all the normal things water heater wiring
00:39:25
the f all were in good condition and it was relatively a new house so they like like
00:39:33
we already know though the majority of the heat is coming from the master bedroom so even though you're going to
00:39:39
check out those those items like I said there's there's some kind of accelerant or something used in that area unless
00:39:48
they had you know some like gas heater or possibly like a a gas fireplace or something in their bedroom yeah the
00:39:56
short of their investigation will be that the bed in the master bedroom was the epicenter of the fire this meant
00:40:03
that it was impossible that Jimmy had been asleep so he didn't he wasn't like overcome by smoke from a fire and then
00:40:14
passed out he was the fire he yes yes the fire was him and and and around him immediately around him you know they
00:40:22
they couldn't really explain away why he would just be lying there on the bed now
00:40:29
Jimmy basically to put it as simple as possible was incinerated and according to a book on the case called playing
00:40:37
with fire quote the body was so badly burned that the experienced fire investigator found it difficult to
00:40:44
visibly separate it from the charred remains of the box spring mattress one leg was completely missing and other
00:40:52
parts of the limbs had burned away there was a large hole on the left side of the
00:40:58
chest near the rib cage where tremendous heat had caused a blowout and quote this
00:41:05
to the investigators made no sense okay so they don't believe that hole to be like a a shotgun wound or gunshot wound
00:41:13
no no and the other thing too is look if the fire started in the bedroom with Jimmy and everything was normal all he
00:41:22
had to do was get up and get out of the room and then get out of the house but of course course we know that didn't
00:41:27
happen he just was lying there right investigators could also they couldn't determine any accidental cause for the
00:41:34
fire so you know Jimmy didn't smoke and there was nothing wrong with the homes wiring or the systems they couldn't
00:41:42
pinpoint a a problem that would cause this this fire they also examined the iron because remember Shelly had told
00:41:49
them that it was faulty that the automatic shut off didn't always work and remember she said I I think the iron
00:41:56
was on that day look I think people should just lock somebody up when they go okay yeah I remember what do you
00:42:02
remember Shelly oh yeah I was I was in the I was in the bedroom and yeah there was iron there and damn just thing about
00:42:09
the iron it has kind of a short there's kind of something wrong with it anytime somebody's like trying to take that
00:42:16
bread and Lead it down that trail just lock them up well what they're going to do is the lieutenant Lieutenant will
00:42:23
bring in a State Fire Marshal with a canine unit named Brady trained to hit on accelerance and they walked through
00:42:31
the Michaels home and of course the dog hit on 10 different spots four in the pile of debris that fell to the living
00:42:38
room remember that's the ceiling from the master bedroom right right and hit on six spots in the master bedroom near
00:42:45
the bed so no doubt it's the floor of the master bedroom the fire was deliberate now do we know what kind of
00:42:53
accelerate gas we do not we do do not and we will not spoiler alert okay the the problem here though captain for the
00:43:01
fire investigators is that this fire behaved in an unusual manner it burned for a long period of time but never
00:43:10
expanded beyond the master bedroom until the collapse of the floor and the flashover sometime around 10:30 a.m.
00:43:17
right they could tell this because the other upstairs rooms only displayed a little just a a tiny bit of smoke damage
00:43:25
and really nothing else it's it's so crazy how much fire can destroy evidence uh the same way water can destroy
00:43:35
evidence again according to the book playing with fire they state that the fire had to have progressed over a long
00:43:42
period of time in a ventilation limited manner by the way planing with fire is written by John Glatt and by this time
00:43:51
Captain we know that some of the people involved in this investigation know that Shelly had been seen leaving
00:43:59
the house at 8:20 a.m. the fire did not erupt from the room until 2 hours later so they had to wonder the investigators
00:44:08
fire investigators was it possible for a fire to smolder for 2 hours incinerating
00:44:13
just one room before finally flashing over that's the unusual behavior yeah of this fire in life Jimmy was 6' tall 220
00:44:23
lb after the fire damage his corpse weighed only 151 lb by some miracle many of Jimmy's internal organs were intact
00:44:35
and were available for testing by the medical examiner now the good doctor was able to determine immediately that there
00:44:42
was no carbon monoxide in the victim's system this is incredibly important and no soot in his Airway meaning Jimmy was
00:44:51
not breathing during the fire so he was meaning he's dead dead before the fire started he's dead before the fire
00:44:58
started yeah and according to the autopsy his death did not appear to be the result of any natural causes his
00:45:06
heart was perfectly normal and there was no sign of any kind of physical event that would have killed him so then the
00:45:16
doctor is going to certify the cause of death as quote an undetermined homicidal
00:45:22
act yeah because we we wouldn't know because there's no skin we don't know if there was puncture wounds mhm we don't
00:45:29
know if there was blood on the bed because it was all burnt up mhm yeah so now we're going to have the detective
00:45:40
who wants to figure out we have the wife telling us she was at work all day but yet we have other we have an eyewitness
00:45:49
who says he saw her leaving their home at 8:20 so he's going to go to Ruby Memorial Hospital he's going to
00:45:58
interview everybody there and he's going to start pulling surveillance footage from the hallways in the lobby of that
00:46:05
hospital where shell worked here's what he ends up finding out he sees Shelly Michael you know doing her Hospital
00:46:12
duties doing her job well she goes out the front doors of the hospital at 811 a.m. she then walked through the
00:46:22
rain to an employee parking lot started her car turned on the wipers and turned left out of the lot this is on to Elmer
00:46:32
Prince drive and then her and her vehicle are now out of sight from the surveillance cameras then he does not
00:46:39
see her again on any of the camera footage until about 8:25 a.m. when he can see her silver
00:46:48
Expedition coming back into the parking lot circling around and looking for a parking spot she parked and walked under
00:46:56
an umbrella back into the hospital entering the lobby at 8:28 a.m. there were 17 minutes where Shelly Michael was
00:47:05
unaccounted for and remember Shawn Al had seen her pulling out of her driveway during that 17-minute window he says his
00:47:15
clock said 8:20 when he saw Shelly Michael investigators set out to determine whether Shel could have made
00:47:22
it home set the fire and the return to the hospital in 17 minutes so they drove from Ruby Memorial Hospital to the home
00:47:32
remember it's less than one mile so every time they're conducting this test the back and forth the back and
00:47:40
forth their trip to get from the hospital to the house is always about four to five
00:47:48
minutes right even if shell spent 10 total minutes driving back and forth if you go to the the the latter part of
00:47:56
that she would have had up to 7 Minutes inside the house this too poor and accelerant in the master bedroom and
00:48:05
light it investigators were able to replicate the drive within that window of time over and over and over again now
00:48:14
several people who knew Shelly found her actions to be very suspicious and of course we want to know
00:48:22
why Jimmy didn't escape the fire well like I said I I don't like the comment about the iron in inside the the master
00:48:31
bedroom definitely don't like the comment that she made saying oh well now I need a new husband correct yeah no
00:48:40
nobody wants to hear that at all one thing I find to be interesting here Captain is some of the people on their
00:48:47
inner circle found Shelly to be so strange on the day that Jimmy died that even before it was was ruled an
00:48:57
homicidal act they started providing information to the detectives that's not going to put Shelly in the greatest of
00:49:05
light right they basically several of her friends or the couple's friends put together a list and send it over to the
00:49:14
detective this is a list of drugs that shell and other Hospital workers had access to at Ruby Memorial the other
00:49:21
thing too Captain is the professionals seemed to think that it was possible that Jimmy was poisoned with some kind
00:49:30
of paralytic and these are people that worked at Ruby Memorial they said and named a drug rrum I think is how you say
00:49:41
that recur rrum um somewhere out there there's a medical professional laughing at
00:49:47
me this drug this particular drug is a paralytic and it was readily available at the hospital where Shelly worked
00:49:56
right but we've already had the autopsy performed now no narcotics were found in
00:50:02
Jimmy's system and an explanation for a paralytic required special testing so samples of Jimmy's intact liver were
00:50:12
sent to the National Medical Services organization in Pennsylvania so they could do the test we need to note here
00:50:20
too some suspicious findings a syringe was found in the sink in Shelly and Jimmy's house right this syringe
00:50:31
contained a large amount of ibuprofen and also an unidentifiable pink liquid now the detective deliberately
00:50:40
did not tell Shelly and Bobby that they are now considered suspects in the murder of Jimmy
00:50:50
Michael he has both of them come in for interviews and he speaks with them separately
00:50:55
shell had no idea that authorities believed Jimmy to have been killed by this point she and Bobby did not know
00:51:02
that the detective knew about their Affair either right that's what you want to do as a detective you're going to
00:51:07
stack the deck against these individuals interview them separately and see if they are answering you in an honest
00:51:15
manner Bobby broke down immediately confessing to the affair so much so he said that he even slept with Shelly in
00:51:24
her own bedroom while their two kids their kids were friends uh had a sleepover in the Next
00:51:32
Room right what a great guy this is while Jimmy was away I'm guessing maybe on a hunting trip or something yeah
00:51:38
great guy great friend great teats three days before Jimmy died Bobby said it was
00:51:45
just a fling and that he did not love shell and he felt terrible about it in fact he was going to reveal everything
00:51:51
to his wife with an attempt to save his own marriage I don't think we need to get into the whole interview with Shelly
00:51:59
this was videotaped it was 6 hours long by the way suffice it to say she lied her face off to the detectives and
00:52:08
according to prosecutors what prosecutors would later tell a jury that they believed she lied over 100 times
00:52:17
during the course of this videotaped interview she lied about the affair she lied about the Chicago trip and her
00:52:24
activities on the morning morning that Jimmy died she didn't know that they knew about her leaving the hospital and
00:52:30
being seen by Shawn Al during the course of this interview of course she didn't she told the detective that she had a
00:52:37
theory of her own and you've you've already kind of pieced this together that the iron must have caused the fire
00:52:44
she was worried that it was left on may have fallen over and started the fire and she did not bat an eye when the
00:52:54
detective informed her that that the fire was now deemed an arson and that testing was being done to determine what
00:53:00
killed Jimmy she just asked what he knew and how he knew it when she left the interview she expressed indignation that
00:53:09
she was even being asked these type of questions that there was any suspicion on her at all how dare you how dare you
00:53:17
she was so mad about it that she called the detective later and asked to come in
00:53:22
for a lie detector test yeah that's that's never that's never smart and and then the LI detector
00:53:31
caught fire and blew up and then she said maybe that's how the fire started so at her own request a polygraph was
00:53:40
set up for Shelly oh my God in the preest cuz they do like a little preest interview before they hook you up to the
00:53:47
machine in the preest she lied a 100 times in response to a question about what type of person she was you know
00:53:54
just describe yourself she said quote I value honesty a lot I've always tried to
00:54:00
be very honest honesty comes first end quote what a [ __ ] what a beautiful human being then they confronted her
00:54:09
with the information about her vehicle leaving the hospital lot and returning 17 minutes later she was adamant that
00:54:18
she didn't leave the hospital until she suddenly remembered that because it was raining she decided while I'm out there
00:54:27
to retrieve my pager I should move my vehicle to a covered parking area she hoped this would explain away why they
00:54:37
could see her vehicle leaving the lot on surveillance footage she said that she definitely did not leave the hospital
00:54:45
parking lot she expressed concern that the polygraph would make her out to be lying when she in fact was
00:54:53
not so so she decided you know she's the one says hey I'll come in for a polygraph test they're like okay cool
00:55:01
come right in and then in the preest interview she then says you know what this polygraph test is going to make it
00:55:09
look like I'm lying even though I'm not uh I'm not going to talk with you anymore I'm not going to answer any more
00:55:15
of your questions here's my attorney's phone number so she lawyers up and shuts down and did she say by the way I'm
00:55:23
sleeping with him to I'm sleeping with everybody but before lawyering up she again tries to explain
00:55:33
away see this is what we get and we see this time and time again in these cases don't we Captain where a detective will
00:55:39
start to break down a witness or break down a suspect and where they might have been
00:55:45
lying before now they start using other lies to cover up like I'll give them a little bit of information I'll admit to
00:55:52
this or that but I'm going to use another lie to explain it away yeah so when pressed you know they're saying
00:56:00
look we know you left the parking lot there's no getting around that we have proof of that have you watched the
00:56:07
interrogation tapes yes I've watched portions of them it's it was six hours over the course of two days I believe I
00:56:13
would i' like bang on the desk listen here you boner smoker tell me the truth tell me the truth well she she came up
00:56:22
with some story that she had to leave because there was something going on at her son's school like she had to drop
00:56:28
off some paperwork or something the story is a little confusing to me but the basics of it is she had to leave for
00:56:36
some reason that just popped up and she lied about it and stuck to her story because she was already in trouble at
00:56:44
work and didn't want them to find out that she had right an unauthorized leave for just a couple of minutes now Bobby
00:56:52
the boyfriend the that's teats that's doing the affair right was cleared by police during their investigation of any
00:57:01
involvement this is after he passed a polygraph test and more importantly Bobby had an alibi for the day of the
00:57:09
murder he was sleeping on somebody else's wife so between his confirmed Alibi and him being honest with the
00:57:17
detectives finally you know he said he broke down pretty quickly and passing the
00:57:23
polygraph they believe that his innocence were sealed in the mind of the detectives yeah but think about this a
00:57:30
little bit as far as like the whole True Crime Spectrum somebody like Chris Watts for
00:57:37
example I mean that guy he lied for a while but he didn't keep it up that long mhm in a lot of these cases
00:57:47
where the females suspected of murder they almost can take the L to the Grave like you see this like with Casey
00:57:59
Anthony when they I work here okay show us your office they she goes all the way
00:58:05
to the office like like what does she think like magically like a office is just going to a appear you know same way
00:58:15
with this case yeah there was a there was a iron I saw the iron and it had some faulty wiring Maybe maybe that's it
00:58:26
it's almost like the character off a Saturday Night Live from way back in the day where they go oh yeah that's the
00:58:33
ticket right the well I will refer you to Christopher Rock's studies on the difference between men and women lying
00:58:43
uh and I think that will explain away everything for you now on January 9th Shelly filed a personal loss claim
00:58:50
amounting to $194,000 with Jake from State Farm Insurance you know that you said Jake
00:58:57
from All State last time I I have all state and I confused the which I I think I called you a dumb Dum during that but
00:59:05
I never caught you so I guess I was the dumb Dum as well yeah they only have 10,000 commercials of each a day I don't
00:59:11
know how anybody could screw I'm sure there's a Jake at all state she ended up collecting
00:59:18
$140,000 this is after she paid Wells Fargo who owned the mortgage on the home and now now she's going to be waiting
00:59:26
for the half million life insurance policy and she thought she got away with it fire investigators pouring over the
00:59:35
burn scene on their hands and knees on January 23rd found something they had missed before about 3T under the end of
00:59:45
the remains of the bed this is buried under other burned debris was a distinctive orange plastic
00:59:54
item that had been protected from the fire simply because it was buried this was a
01:00:01
syringe cap Shelly denied ever taking any drugs from the hospital and there was no known reason for a syringe to be
01:00:11
in the bedroom then in February of 2006 the final talks report came back from the
01:00:18
national Medical Services in Jimmy's heart blood was found with large amounts of that rium ruroni I'm not never going
01:00:27
to be able to say that right I can say it until you turn on this microphone right that's how this goes down the
01:00:34
cause of death was amended to homicide by being intentionally injected by a lethal dose of this drug by another
01:00:42
person no one believed that Jimmy could have done this to himself a warrant was issued for shelle's arrest on charges of
01:00:50
first deegree murder and first-degree arson and March she was indicted for both and entered pleas of not guilty as
01:00:59
if this was not enough Captain her parents posted her $450,000 bond for her and she was
01:01:07
required to remain on home confinement while she waited for her trial so they put her on you know the the beautiful
01:01:16
ankle monitoring bracelet yeah it's not that far-fetched to think that possibly uh Jimmy would be suicidal because his
01:01:24
marriage is going bad but his business was going well but this is also kind of a this is also a very strange way for
01:01:35
somebody like him to take his life and then that doesn't explain how the fire got started right it it doesn't add up
01:01:43
it makes zero sense for that to logically play out yeah one thing I do know is a dead body can't start a fire
01:01:53
correct there's know if you listen to the Billy Joel song he never once mentions a dead body start in the fire
01:02:02
so during this time where she's supposed to be on home confinement with the monitoring bracelet it was quickly
01:02:09
learned that she violated her home confinement requirements time and time again sneaking off several times people
01:02:17
reportedly saw her all over morgant town regularly by the time of her trial it was determined that she had broken off
01:02:25
the ankle bracelet six times at least six times and taped it back together so at some point the judge revoked her home
01:02:33
confinement and Shelly found herself back in jail this was one month before the trial I mean in all fairness so it's
01:02:41
hard to do back flips with that those ankle monitors on so the thing here though too is we still have to explain
01:02:49
away why the fire would behave in an unusual manner because because you're going to have to take this thing to
01:02:56
trial present your theory to the judge and jury and convince them that you you know what you're talking about and this
01:03:04
is how you know that she killed her husband so there were painstaking portions to this fire
01:03:13
investigation the investigators took samples of the carpet wood tile paint flooring Windows bedding and mattress
01:03:22
from the master bedroom they constructed six exact replicas of the bedroom down to each
01:03:32
item of furniture even the wall paint identical and the bathroom tile this is just so they could burn them to
01:03:40
determine exactly how the fire went down and why it was behaving in this manner this was all funded by the ATF to the
01:03:49
tune of $1 million it was done in a giant hanger and took months the agency viewed this
01:03:56
as an opportunity to study the nature of smoldering fires because the theory was
01:04:02
that Shelly set the fire at 8:20 a.m. remember when she was seen leaving the home and it did not destroy the home or
01:04:10
even become noticeable until 2 hours later it had to have smoldered but not gone out but also not erupted into a
01:04:19
full-fledged fire for quite some time the test involved various conditions and accelerance and three irons identical to
01:04:29
Shelly were used even with the automatic shut off disabled they never got the iron never got hot enough to cause a
01:04:39
fire so the iron theory is ruled out it was determined that the headboard must have eventually caught fire burned and
01:04:48
collapsed through the floor underneath it mhm the investigators tried different cycles for the heating and ventilation
01:04:57
systems to try to replicate exactly how the fire had smoldered for 2 hours before combusting again from the book
01:05:07
quote these tests all demonstrated that the fire's progress was directly related
01:05:12
to the heating system going on and off if the furnace had not been working at the Michaels house the fire would have
01:05:20
soon gone out and if it had been turned up to High it would have raged out of control within 30 minutes they finally
01:05:30
found the correct combination with the home HVAC system to set a cycle at 10 minutes on 15 minutes off they set the
01:05:40
bed a light closed the door that's important the door had to be closed for the fire to behave this way right and
01:05:48
allowed the air handler to cycle on and then off in that pattern 10 minutes on 15 minutes off the fire smoldered small
01:05:56
Flames glowed and then 2 hours and 10 minutes into the burn the headboard collapsed and burned right through the
01:06:04
floor they got the fire to act the exact way that it acted that day conditions were plausible in their house not only
01:06:15
so much so it was also 100% plausible that Shelly Michael could set the fire 8:20 a.m. and the flashover didn't occur
01:06:23
until 10:20 10:27 a.m. correct so now we're at the trial the trial commenced on July 9th
01:06:33
2007 and would take more than two weeks with 37 Witnesses for the prosecution alone to sum up here is the evidence
01:06:41
presented against Shelly at her trial they said Jimmy was killed with ronio a paralytic that shell had access to and
01:06:50
had administered to patients in the past the fire in the Michael home was deliberately set in the master bedroom
01:06:57
with Aid of an accelerant After Jimmy was already deceased Shelly left the hospital and was unaccounted for for 17
01:07:06
minutes on the morning that Jimmy died in which time she could have got home and back and set the fire shell was the
01:07:14
sole beneficiary of a $500,000 life insurance policy on Jimmy and if the house had been consumed by the fire she
01:07:24
would have got another half a million dollar she was having an affair with Bobby te she lied to police over and
01:07:32
over again so it is still a circumstantial case yeah the prosecution showed the jury hours and hours of
01:07:42
videotaped interviews with Shelly where she is caught lying to detectives they called a medical expert to the stand who
01:07:51
dramatically plunged a syringe into a grapefruit to show how quickly the drug could be
01:07:59
injected it took less than one second for him to depress the plunger and here is what the testimony
01:08:07
was that would happen to Jimmy per the medical examiner they stated that within one
01:08:14
minute Jimmy would start to feel muscular weakness within 3 minutes he would be unable to Stand 4 minutes he
01:08:23
would lose the ability to breathe as his lungs and respiratory muscles froze up he would have been fully conscious and
01:08:32
aware of what was happening essentially suffocating as his blood oxygen was used
01:08:38
up basically being tortured from the inside out he would then lose Consciousness and
01:08:45
die the total time for all of this to take place and Jimmy unable to do anything about it 13 minutes wow the
01:08:54
prosecutor told the jury that their theory was that Shelly had injected Jimmy with the paralytic while he slept
01:09:01
and then turned on the iron and left it where it would catch fire to the bed or some clothes or or the floor what have
01:09:07
you she then goes to work 30 minutes early that's a red flag in itself this woman doesn't like to go to work and on
01:09:14
this day she's showing up early yeah now there's all the evidence she needs she gets in there early and now she's she's
01:09:22
very visible very loud and vocal so people take notice that she is there she leaves Jimmy a voicemail about
01:09:31
the lunches for the kids who were not even at the house at that time but by 8:10
01:09:37
a.m. the prosecution says Shelly started to get nervous that no phone call came in about the house being on fire so
01:09:47
she's already injected this guy she's got to cover up her murder so she had to drop drive home set
01:09:55
a fire more carefully using some type of accelerant one thing that is interesting
01:10:00
about the trial though and in her defense as we stated earlier Captain the prosecution at no time do they ever
01:10:08
present what the believed accelerant that could have been used was I found that to be a little a little problematic
01:10:17
here agree then she with the you know flick of a lighter or what have you the prosecution demonstrated this and
01:10:27
because she closed the bedroom door behind her she wouldn't have known to do this but because she did the fire failed
01:10:35
to ignite and burn out of control and destroy all of the evidence that she was hoping would be destroyed the the
01:10:41
syringe the the syringe cap um and she was probably looking to collect the insurance money on the house as
01:10:49
well the defense tried to cast blame on others they show showed that anyone at the hospital could have had access to
01:10:56
the drug including Jimmy's ex-wife Stephanie uh including Jimmy himself who they tried to suggest that he possibly
01:11:05
killed himself using this drug uh they pointed out that all of the evidence against Shelly was simply circumstantial
01:11:12
they called only five witnesses in her defense and they did call Shelly to the stand how many times did she lie on the
01:11:21
stand well let's get into that because once on the stand she's going to tell an entirely new version of the events of
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the day of the fire one in which she actually stopped at her house and put some paperwork in the mailbox before
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heading back to work so now she's got to explain way why sha alt saw her pulling
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out of the driveway and that's the excuse or lie that she comes up with uh she did say on the stand that she did
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not believe that Jimmy would have killed himself but again she's unaccounted for
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17 minutes she lied over 100 times to the detectives and then you know she's a nurse so she has some expertise in this
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area on the stand they're going to ask her to describe what someone's slow death from
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this drug would be and she says quote it would be horrible and quote but again no
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tears no emotion after 5 hours on the stand shelle's attorney later said that she
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was absolutely completely convinced that she had won well she was wrong although
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it took the jury more than one day of deliberations they unanimously found Shelly guilty of both murder and
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arson Shelly very nearly got away with murder I mean think about it if she had not closed the door to the bedroom and
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if Shawn Al had not seen her leaving her house things might have gone entirely different for her what shocking in her
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case to me is the arrogance she displayed throughout the whole process and she really did not think for a
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minute that she would get [Music] caught [Music] all right what an interesting case if
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such and she really helped us out a lot this week on this case for this episode we relied heavily on the book playing
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with fire the true story of a nurse her husband and a marriage turned fatal by John Glatt and it's available in
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