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[Music] [Music] [Music] absolutely I already told you where I knew I told you what I can't I can't say
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that I think are important that you know are classified and how [Music] Scott Lee Kimball was born on September
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21st 1966 in Boulder Colorado his parents were virgil in barb Kimball from what we could find it looks like
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Scott was not one of the popular kids at school he attended Lafayette Elementary
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in middle schools he was described by a classmate as quiet now barb in Virgil divorced when Scott was 10 years old
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barb fell in love with another woman Virgil and Scott's brother Brett moved to Montana and Scott stayed behind in
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Colorado but Scott left high school after only one month eventually after a few years he relocated to join his
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father and Brett but listen to this captain because we often see this in these types a bad omen a sign that
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something is just not right police were called to Scott's home during a strange episode in Scotts teenage years when he
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was shooting his father's gun out of one of the windows he was shooting at neighbors homes now it's not clear
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exactly what was going on here was he actually trying to shoot someone or was this just some kind of weird thing or
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maybe a revenge type thing I don't know but regardless this is a significant event and at the very least
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could be categorized as extremely reckless behavior Scott attended High School in Hamilton Montana a town of
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4,000 people but he dropped out just shy of graduating he worked as a guide he guided clients on big-game hunting
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expeditions he also made some really bad choices not just the shooting at houses
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incident Scott was arrested for stupid things like knocking over mailboxes in June of 1988 at the age of 21 he was
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arrested and convicted of felonious passing of bad checks his three-year sentence was deferred
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however on the condition that he stay above the law Scot like many others he likes spending
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money that he did not have he was arrested again in October of 88 for passing more bad checks but because this
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felony conviction occurred in a different County his sentence was once again deferred and it didn't activate
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his previous conviction so Scot to say it simply got off very easy in both of these situations
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he continued to rack up arrests although not all of them resulted in convictions
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he was arrested in October of 88 again this time for stealing a fishing pole two rifles and a shotgun and a set of
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golf clubs this was from a residence or multiple residences in Broomfield Colorado he was turned loose which is
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surprising to me and I'm sure everybody else out there considering that the part
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of this theft involved a gun right he was arrested again in March this time for attempted theft and receives a
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one-year unsupervised probation and a 232 dollar fine so again this is just really no real
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punishment and all for what we're seeing is continued bad behavior right and if you still a gun or you still some checks
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and they did slap you on the wrist well why not do it again because you probably
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got away with it a couple of times before you actually got caught yeah if if consequences dictate my course of
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action it's only wrong if I get caught or if I if I don't like the consequences right he's not really being punished so
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Scott continued to self-destruct and actually he even attempted to end his life at one point this was while on a
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hunting trip with his brother remember his brother Brett Scott was 23 at this time he went to his motel room and he
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put a rifle to his head and he actually pulled the trigger and the gun was loaded the bullet ripped a hole in his
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forehead as it bounced off of his skull Scott was in critical condition for many
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days of course he was not in a good place psychologically as we can all see this
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led to the discovery of years of abuse that took place during his teen years so what would we would we would find out
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here captain is that Scott was the victim of a sexual predator this started when he was just about 10 years old
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mm-hmm when he and his seven-year-old cousin were tricked or befriended or whatever you want to call it by a 41
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year old computer programmer his name Theodore Payton now Payton was a neighbor of Scotts
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grandmother's in a trailer park in Nederland Colorado and we know how this goes we know how this typically starts
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off right Payton is he he befriends these children and he is taking them places giving them money takes them
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bowling you know hanging out playing video games right but pretty soon he started inviting them to his cabin this
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one at a time you know you don't want both of them there and now he's doing things that are just downright wrong
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he's giving them alcohol this leads to Oh getting out the camera let's take some photographs and of course
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eventually this all leads to rape and outright molestation right according to the two boys this continued for years
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with the boys and their families being threatened by Payton right so he's kind of controlling them by by not only
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molesting and raping these boys but on top of that he's telling them if you say anything I I'm going to hurt you and I'm
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going to hurt your family well initially it looks like these crimes of check fraud and stuff are just a crime of
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greed and maybe not a call help but now when you dive into this section you go well maybe maybe these
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work cries for help but there was no punishment so nobody was coming to his help cry for help or sometimes
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unfortunately when these things when somebody's abused in this manner or really many other manners to put it
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frankly in their formidable years of coming up as a teenager especially with this stuff starting when he's 10 or 11
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years old they could have mind-altering effects that last a lifetime for somebody we
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mentioned that he was threatening the boys and threatening their families from my understanding captain that the
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threats were as great as as possible murder death threats shooting these kids are shooting their family right the
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cousin later told police about the abuse and he said that it happened so often that he eventually lost count of the
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number of incidents that took place the situation continued as we said until the
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boys reached their later teen years now remember Scott is not living in the area
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of his grandmother so his situation is a little different than than the cousin who is also being abused but when Scott
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would come back to visit grandma and when he would come back to visit other family the abuse was still taking place
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when he would return to that area when you see a lot of children described their predators as the devil so imagine
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that the devil was doing these horrible things to you and then on top of that saying hey if you tell anybody I'm gonna
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kill you and I'm gonna kill your whole family apparently this situation continued
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until the boys reached their later teen years when they were actually able to stand up for themselves but as we said
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this did not emerge publicly until Scott was 23 when he tried to shoot himself in
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the head right so in light of his and the cousin's allegations which were brought to light by therapy Scott
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underwent after the suicide attempt the Boulder County Sheriff's as investigated Paton and they were able
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to bring some charges against this man in 1991 a jury convicted Payton of six counts of sexual assault on a child he
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was sentenced to seven years apparently he was released after five he returned to the area where he had lived when he
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was abusing the boys and lived out his remaining days there in a letter to the court objecting to a sentence reduction
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for Peyton Scott Kimball wrote the following quote Ted Peyton denied me my right to a normal healthy innocent
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childhood because of Ted Payton's selfishness and his need for sexual gratification
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he has damaged my life forever end quote now recovered from his suicide attempt scott relocated to Spokane Washington in
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the early 1990s he obtained employment in the timber business out there he brought along with him his girlfriend
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this is a larissa hence who he met in Montana in 1993 the two were married Scott is now 27 at this point on our
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timeline now this young new couple they had two sons one in late of 1993 and one
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in 1996 mm-hmm it doesn't sound like things panned out in the timber trade there because Scott and Larissa filed
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for bankruptcy in June of 1996 and the couple divorced in 1997 later Larissa would reveal some details of of her
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married life to scott Kimball and says that Scott was not operating within the law
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Scott's past of his you know modus operandi of defrauding people and stealing funds continued during the
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course of their marriage according to Larissa he engineered scam after scam and had people constantly chasing after
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him trying to collect money that he frauded them out of her stole from them and possibly a reason why I moved to
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watch in the first place yeah and the other thing though too as we said he always
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managed to avoid actual jail or prison time but this would this would end in September of 1997 when he did serve 27
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days in jail for unknown offenses I do not know whether the charges were now we're making it how many 27 days isn't
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that long well exactly I don't know what the charge would have been it could have
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been something that's a hit that's a hiccup that's a vacation pretty minor well yeah not one that I want to take
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though we're making it out as though Scott is some kind of low-level con artists who you know just happen to get
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away with check cashing scams and fraudulent money-making schemes but what I believe that we will see here captain
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that the truth of the matter is that Scott's he's pretty talented as a con artist and I think what we're gonna see
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is that his con artist skills might be off the charts and you know everyone who met him even though I'll judge that
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determined to see him in prison for the remainder of his days begrudgingly admits that Scott was the best at this
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universally he they say he was liked he was jovial friendly and seemingly trustworthy this is how Scott was
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described time and time again over and over by these people that that knew him and met him throughout his life well you
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can tell even by his later interviews that there is a brain inside his head yeah and what we will see as we go
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through this is he truly just he snowed people he befriended people made them feel special build up their trust and
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then he cheated them yeah there's no friend cabin now what happens next on the Scott timeline gives us a clear-cut
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example of how trustworthy he really seemed to be in the spring of 1999 Scott Kimball agreed to work for the Bureau of
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Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms as an informant on a stolen guns investigation yes this is
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an agency of our federal government taking on a con man a scam artist a fraudulent check rider into their fold
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now it's not really clear how this arrangement came about and it did not result in any arrests
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although Scott reportedly gave the ATF some names but not only did Scott get personal satisfaction from being a
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trusted informant for the feds he got paid for a grand total of one thousand eight hundred and sixty five dollars the
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relationship was over by November of 1999 but Scott Kimball benefited both as we said financially but also in the
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terms of establishing goodwill with the feds by December of 1999 it was apparent
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that Scott was not only a scam artist but he was also violent on December 8th his ex-wife Larissa reported to Spokane
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police that Scott kidnapped her at gunpoint raped her and forced her and the couple's two sons to accompany him
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back to Montana no charges were filed for this incident and there's a lot of speculation here as to why there were no
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charges filed I don't know that I feel super comfortable getting into it knowing as little as we do about this
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situation but we would see this one more time this when Larissa again called police this time on December 18th saying
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the sky had broke into her house that night and held her at gunpoint then he made her take a bath and stole money
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from her purse again no case no charges were brought forward in this incident as
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well now remember the two suspended sentences for convictions for passing bad checks though he go over that again
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he broke in later take a bath after another sexual assault and there's and there's no charges whatsoever that's
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correct ridiculous again I don't want to speculate as to why there were no charges both of these situations we know
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very little about yeah so I mean it could be could be as simple as something as she called to the police and then
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later says I don't want to press any charges that's why I don't want to get into the speculation of it I don't I
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don't we can't fault the the police department if the the person that notifies them
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later then says no I don't want to I don't want to bring any charges well no you can fault him on some level because
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there's a possibility that she just doesn't feel safe enough that she can press the charges that don't know.i she
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actually presses the charges this guy's an animal and look what he already did to me he
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might come back and and kill me I agree but I think that it's irresponsible of myself to lay blame to someone or an
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organization with with knowing nothing really about the situation yeah well let's not lay blame to the organization
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but let's let's lay blame on the idea that we we know this situation happened and we don't know why it went down this
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way well that's why I don't want to let it II because I don't know that background I don't know that it happens
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so I want to go back to the two suspended sentences for the the bad checks that took place in 1988 when
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Scott was just 21 so he finds himself in jail once again this time in January of
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2000 this time for violating his probation remember he got probation for those charges he violated his probation
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this is for traveling and also for failing to report now finally a little justice here and this takes place in
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April of 2000 I judge threw the book at him Scott was sentenced to 10 years in Montana State Prison
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this for violating those probations now five years of this sentence were suspended
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but Scott was looking at five years of hard time five years in the clink district judge Henson row of Scott quote
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the defendant is impossible to supervise in a community setting you're irresponsible
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untruthful and simply do what you want to do regardless of the rules and conditions imposed by this court then
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even more charges were brought against him this time for three counts of felony check forgery that occurred in 1999 in
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Spokane his additional conviction piled up eight more months onto his prison sentence this is where the story really
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starts to gain some momentum here Captain Scott's sentence his five years eight months with the five year
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suspended actually only resulted in him serving 15 months in July of 2001 he was
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relocated to a pre-release center in Helena Montana he was permitted to get a job on the outside and just report back
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to the center when not at work Scott landed himself a job as a cashier at the ez stop gas station but within
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just a couple of weeks Scott decided a change of scenery would be nice on July 29th Scott was working alone at the gas
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station let's quickly review what the good judge said of Scott remember saying he was impossible to supervise in a
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community he's irresponsible untruthful and simply does not he simply does what he wants regardless of the rules well
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the district judge Hanson was what we call here in the garage exactly right so while working at the
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station alone on the 29th of July Scott lifted six hundred and seventy seven dollars from the register he stole a
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work truck and he took off for parts unknown lock your doors I imagine there was several slim jims and a big gulp
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stolen from that gas station as well that didn't go report it right and that's the real
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I'm here well now Scott you are a wanted man a warrant was issued for the arrest
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of Scott Lee Kimball but where did Scott hightail it to on the run from the law in this stolen truck where else but the
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furthest place away he could think of Alaska it's not known how Scott managed to get across the Canadian border but
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knowing his charisma and charm he probably just sweet-talked his way in there and it didn't really take long for
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him to turn up in Alaska captain this is because he could not resist falling back
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on his old ways writing bad checks this time Scott assumed the identity of Brett
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Kimball his brother in the few months since his escape brett wrote $25,000 in counterfeit checks collected the cash
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and had landed himself a fiancee as far as this woman who's name is Katherine Curtis was concerned Scott was a man
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named Bret Kimball and they were in love and living in a hotel room where Scott was eventually found and arrested during
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a raid along with 11,000 $300 in cash let's this proves that love is the biggest con of all
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your face all right we are going to do a little bouncing around here through a few years on our timeline but while
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while this is not going to be in chronological order this order makes sense to me so we're gonna roll with it
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because of the activities and Scott's actions I guess what I'm trying to say here captain is pay much less attention
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to the actual dates that we say but pay more attention to Scott's actions as we go through this piece of the story Scott
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of course was not happy sitting in jail and he managed to come up with some excitement for himself you know always
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seeking the limelight and back-slapping from authorities Scott snitched that his
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cellmate one Arnold flowers who was in for fraud had asked him to hire a hitman to murder a federal judge a prosecutor
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and two witnesses hmm so Scott also named Arnold's girlfriend as a co-conspirator in this whole thing and
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sure enough a press release by the US Department of Justice dated March 22nd 2002 states that flowers and his
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girlfriend were indicted for plotting to kill a judge a prosecutor and a witness
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in the fraud case so according to the Department of Justice release flowers had provided a handwritten note of for
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intended victims to an intermediary who was to make contact with a hit man of course this intermediary was Scott the
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plot went so far as to see the girlfriend go to a hotel room to meet the person she believed to be a hit
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and pay him a down payment for the murders the Department of Justice release concludes quote the investigation
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leading to the arrest was the result of a cooperative effort of the United States Secret Service Federal Bureau of
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Investigation Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and the United States Marshals Service and quote what what's
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really going on here exactly is what we have to kind of look at this situation and kind of examine it right yeah do we
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think the Scott just stumbled into a murder-for-hire plot and decided to sing like a bird and rat on his cellmate for
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the good of the land I'm thinking probably not mm-hmm so here's what I think probably happened here captain
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I think Scott may have figured out a way to kind of orchestrate this whole thing
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in a way of saying you know if he starts telling his cellmate hey I I know hitman ER or I know people that will
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will kill somebody for for money you know I can put out a contract on someone and this guy who's in sitting in jail
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sitting in prison starts mouthing off saying hey I'd like to kill that judge that put me in here oh by the way I'd
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like to kill that prosecutor that put me in here and they wouldn't have been able
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to put me away if it wasn't for those two witnesses right and I think this this handwritten note I call in a
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question - is it possible that the Scott manufactured that note and provided it as some piece of evidence against these
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individuals what I'm getting at here is look there there's a good chance that his his cellmate probably did want to
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kill these people and had intentions - especially after Scott tells them hey I know how to to set something like this
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up but is this this is seems to me more about you know what I'm in prison how can I weasel my way out of here as fast
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as possible i'ma turn on this dude and getting good with with the authorities right Scott went on to
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testify at the trial which took place in 2003 and the pair was convicted of witness tampering but they were
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acquitted of the murder for hire charges now Scott was paid this really sucks Scott was paid $18,000 by the FBI for
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his cooperation as a witness in the case against flowers and his girlfriend that's so stupid that's a lot of rolling
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papers yeah in October of 2001 this is before it's a lot of Slim Jim yeah this is before the the flowers
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murder plot that we just discussed assistant US attorney Tom Wales he's 49 years old he's a father of two he's
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killed at his home in Seattle Washington someone shot through a basement window and shot him what while he was sitting
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at a desk down there in his basement we know from what we could find that Scott was in the seattle area in the fall of
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2001 this was just for a short time this is when he opened up a bogus Wells Fargo
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account under the name Brett Kimball his brother's name he would later tell federal authorities
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that he had information about the wells murder now I should point out that this case technically is unsolved to this day
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the Wells murder case is still unsolved investigators eventually began to suspect that Scott actually may have had
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something to do with the murder either himself or through somebody else although if that's true the motive would
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be truly unknown it we we could speculate but there doesn't seem to be an obvious motive here now according to
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a book written by Scotts cousin the book is titled SLK serial killer Scott was working on a fishing boat in Seattle in
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the fall of 2001 and Scott was arrested in Alaska this in November of 2001 he used information about the whales murder
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case to lay the FBI gleaning whatever information he could about the case off of the internet he convinced authorities
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that he had overheard a couple of inmates talking about the wells case and that he might be able to offer them
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information about this wells case so Scott starts feeding the FBI bogus information he strung them along pretty
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good meeting with agents a number of times including one three-day meeting in Seattle that took place from February
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24th to the 27th of 2003 well let's think about this for a second I need an informant I know that this guy
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is a criminal or a career-long conman do you really mess with a conman I wonder how that meeting went down I wonder if
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there's two FBI agents one sitting looking at the other one going hey this guy is not to be trusted he is a con man
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and the other guy going I don't know I kind of believe him seems like a good guy so what's
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interesting here I think is the continued the continued mo of Scott Kimball okay twice he finds himself
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behind bars and when he does it seems like he's coming up with these plans of I'm gonna turn on this guy
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or these guys and what carrot do I have to dangle in front of the authorities because if you if you go to them likely
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looking this is all speculation here but if I'm Scott Kimball and I go to him and
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I say hey this guy that I'm in a cell with or these guys that I overheard talking in the yard they're gonna kill
00:40:02
some dude that you've never heard of maybe he's a drug pusher or a check counterfeit or somebody else some dude
00:40:11
you never heard of I have information on that Scott's smart enough to know I need
00:40:17
that's not a big carrot that's not a very big enough carrot to to really help my situation that seems to be all he's
00:40:24
attempting to do what did we see in the first case he's turning on his cellmate saying you know this guy was going to
00:40:31
kill a judge he was going to kill a prosecutor he was going to kill witnesses that the
00:40:35
Department of Justice and the the law enforcement the authorities value the protection of witnesses like you
00:40:43
wouldn't believe and they should very smartly so yeah correct and he said he's gonna kill two witnesses and hire
00:40:49
somebody to and then what is it what do we see once he's at once again in prison
00:40:54
it's oh I heard I might have some information regarding the murder of the assistant US attorney Tom Wales so these
00:41:05
are big carrots that he's coming up with and I it's almost like to me like you pointed out it's like why would you why
00:41:14
would the FBI why would these organizations get involved with this guy who clearly is a con man it clearly is a
00:41:23
scam artist he's what he's one of these people that he's behind bars because of what they would call paper cases where
00:41:31
you can easily put together evidence against this individual because everything he stole or frauded people
00:41:37
from was the result of paper a paper trail that he put together himself that you can apply to him and get the
00:41:45
conviction what we have here though is somebody going look we can these are this is a big cases this is a big to do
00:41:55
this is violent this is murder this is judges prosecutors US attorneys this is big a big deal maybe we deal with this
00:42:05
little paper case guy because we we need to prevent these big things from taking
00:42:13
place right we we're after bigger fish is what I think you think is happening at the time now as we said the whales
00:42:22
case is unsolved apparently it sounds to me like investigators suspect that this Scott
00:42:30
Kimble may have actually could have possibly been the shooter there there's some speculation as to that captain I
00:42:37
don't want to get too far into that but I think the reason why they think that there
00:42:45
was a strange letter that shows up to the seattle FBI office okay this letter was postmarked from las vegas and dated
00:42:56
january third in this letter the writer said that he was the killer of tom wales
00:43:03
he said a woman hired him to shoot whales we will get into this much much more later but there is some good reason
00:43:12
to possibly believe that scott was passing through Las Vegas in January of 2006 so there's a chance that he wrote
00:43:21
and mailed the letter I I I'm getting a little confused in the story here as to what I believe is likely I don't know
00:43:34
that that he may have been the shooter or if he's really just manipulating the system because as said it seems to me
00:43:42
like all the information he was able to provide to the authorities regarding the
00:43:47
murder of whales he could have found all that on the internet right which if he's
00:43:51
sitting behind bars and he gets use of a computer at the you know when he go to the library or wherever that he could
00:43:59
have he could have found all of that information in fact we stood together with some of these cells these days that
00:44:05
might have computers right in their cell well keep in mind like one of the one of
00:44:10
the biggest problems that we have in some of these prisons is the prisoners want to sneak in cell phones they want
00:44:18
to get a cell phone in there one cuz they can call whomever they want whenever they want but also imagine you
00:44:23
can get some kind of internet service as well right well I know I have a friend that was complaining because it was
00:44:31
they're turned they have a relative that's in jail and it was their turn they all decided as a family to help
00:44:40
this individual try to reform and and better his life that they would get cable for his cell so they pay like a
00:44:48
monthly fee for this little TV that gets cable in the cell so it's basically like
00:44:57
a flix netflix and chill' behind bars mm-hmm yeah I just be sitting in there watching reruns of Monk in the office
00:45:09
costly I think we solve mysteries real punishment you know and I don't want to get in a whole debate of what prisoners
00:45:16
should have and what they shouldn't have because I actually I actually believe depending on what type of prison you are
00:45:21
are in and what type of offender you are that should vary maybe there's like a tear process but it at least the the
00:45:29
worst of the worst when they have cable that angers me so badly I think that the
00:45:36
the real the real bad guys you know what real punishment is c-span baby you can watch c-span for that's all you
00:45:44
get to see and you get maybe 45 minutes of it a day tear your eyes out yeah I think we
00:45:49
should start off with genital mutilation and then work up from there you know to
00:45:55
really punish people well so what does the Tom Wales murder in Scott Kimball's telling the feds that he had information
00:46:02
on this case have to do with the bigger picture let's just say that his cooperation and this is key this is key
00:46:11
to our story here captain his cooperation with the authorities on the Wales case and also the flower's case
00:46:17
that we already went through this is what would lead the FBI to turn him turn to him again in another case down the
00:46:26
road and we will see that that will have devastating consequences all right captain so for those of you following
00:46:35
along at home and for those of you who are completely lost what we have here is we have Scott Lee Kimball who has spent
00:46:43
the last few years in and out of prison he's been arrested for multiple different charges and even in different
00:46:52
areas as well so regarding the the order of this let's go to 2002 because there's
00:46:59
going to be something very significant to the story that takes place in 2002 this remember Scott was arrested in
00:47:05
Alaska for forging checks and because he escaped from that prison pre-release in Montana in June he is transferred to
00:47:17
federal prison in Littleton Colorado this is because he told authorities that his life had been threatened by multiple
00:47:25
inmates this is because he's a snitch by this point he's snitched on his cellmates
00:47:32
especially the we're talking about the flower's case here so scott's history of cooperating with authorities would soon
00:47:39
earn him another informant role and a prison release in the fall of 2002 scott reported to the FBI that his cellmate a
00:47:50
steve Ennis had asked God to murder another drug dealer this guy's name is Jason price who was going to testify
00:47:59
against Steve Ennis anis was doing 10 years in federal prison on drug charges for running a massive ecstasy
00:48:07
distribution network and the DEA was monitoring his activities carefully now it's unclear what if anything Steve
00:48:17
Ennis was really cooking up again is this something that Steve Ennis was actually putting into place or is
00:48:23
something that Scott Kimball is manufacturing and providing bogus information in regards to it seems
00:48:30
possible that Steve might have made some noises about wanting this guy dead and then Scott acted on that it's unclear
00:48:40
what Steve thought Scott's role in Steve's plans were because he wasn't supposed to be getting out anytime soon
00:48:48
so that's what's a little tricky here how would Steve think that Scott could help him while they're both on the
00:48:56
inside so this makes three times well yeah and that's why I kind of pointed out that I think it's a little strange
00:49:04
that Steve would try to get Scott involved in this whole murder-for-hire plot because how would Steve think that Scott
00:49:15
could provide him any assistance in this when Scott is looking at doing almost as
00:49:21
much time as as Steve you you know you how's he going to get this going from the inside Steve could
00:49:30
probably get this going on his own from the inside and we know how these prison populations work
00:49:36
this dude was already moved there because he's saying hey I'm being threatened because I'm a snitch i ratted
00:49:42
out some other guys before so scott seems like the last person that an inmate would tell hey i'm thinking about
00:49:50
killing this guy that's going to testify against me at trial there's this rival drug dealer or whatever you want to call
00:49:58
him I want this guy dead it doesn't make sense that he would tell Scott that's why I questioned here captain is this
00:50:05
something that Scott just totally manufactured all on his own because he's learned time and time again and he's
00:50:11
executed this before where he goes you know I'm gonna either make up this stuff about this guy or I'm gonna rat on this
00:50:18
dude over-over real stuff either way it's going to benefit me in in this situation it could get me out of prison
00:50:27
very quickly so that that's why I wanted to bring that up because we got to keep
00:50:33
in mind even though he's becoming an informant and he's ratting on these dudes is there a chance that he's just
00:50:39
manufacturing all this stuff himself and putting the pieces together and then feeding it to the authorities so really
00:50:47
this situation to me is very reminiscent of the flower's case that we already discussed because somehow Scott got word
00:50:55
to the FBI that his cellmate Steve Ennis was plotting to kill someone on the outside and again as I stated this is
00:51:03
another witness yeah this is when the FBI will same set up right it's like it's like you said you can you can watch
00:51:11
those interviews you can see him you can listen to him speak there's a brain in there this guy is never there's also
00:51:17
brains in the FBI agents you would think they'd go hey this this all seems familiar oh I agree with you 100%
00:51:24
100% it's strange to me how this guy was able to make this work time and time again but I do think he's probably
00:51:33
pretty good at what he did and that's no excuse but it's also one of these things
00:51:38
that he's like got Kimble figured out like this works and I'm gonna keep doing it until it
00:51:44
stops working so what we have here is when he was a known con man a known criminal guy that's suspected and other
00:51:53
other crimes other than conman situations the FBI there's no excuse for that there's no excuse for our FBI to be
00:52:04
tricked oh I'm not gonna pretend it's completely dumb of them to believe him time and time again I think what they're
00:52:11
blinded by is what we pointed out earlier this is a this is a paper case guy pretty low-level who doesn't seem to
00:52:19
be violent I mean we do have those allegations of things by his ex-wife but there were never charges brought forward
00:52:26
on any of that so they're not seeing that stuff but what what they're seeing is all we got these bigger fish that we
00:52:34
want to go after all they're seeing that stuff they know that happened and they know there was no charges that that
00:52:41
stuff doesn't just go away the FBI would know that stuff or should know that stuff he wouldn't have any
00:52:48
record of it though I'm just saying they should I'm just saying that our afternoon if there was a possible
00:52:57
situation that their charges were never brought that might not go on your criminal history but that's not that's
00:53:03
not the record that the FBI has of each individual in America there they have a lot of data on you on me on every
00:53:12
listener that's listening to the show well regardless this is going to be when the FBI formally will take on Scott
00:53:19
Kimball as an actual informant and this is going to earn Scott a release from prison yeah hold on kids if he folds you
00:53:27
twice might as well have him work for you this takes place on December 18 2002 when Scott is released from prison in
00:53:35
order to quote actively cooperate with the FBI on the Steven Ennis matter and quote what was Scott's role in this
00:53:44
whole thing well he was ordered by FBI agent Karl SH laughs to pretend to be a man named Joseph lease
00:53:52
and the FBI was going to set him up with this new identity provided to him and they gave him a birth certificate and a
00:54:03
driver's license saying that he was in fact Joseph Lee Scott so Scott Kimball who is now Joe Scott he's put in charge
00:54:13
of keeping an eye on Steve and his girlfriend her name is Jennifer Markham so Scott Kimball told authorities this
00:54:21
is how we get to Jennifer Markham he told authorities that Jennifer Markham anuses girlfriend since she is the one
00:54:29
on the outside she is going to be the one that sets up this whole murder plot I'm guessing that means Kimball told law
00:54:38
enforcement that she was going to hire the killer so Jennifer Markham was also a potential
00:54:45
witness for the DEA in a large meth case the short of it is Scott Lee Kimball is
00:54:51
now out of prison living under a new identity and working with the FBI and all of this is going to turn into some
00:55:01
very bad bad business and fairly quickly now before we wrap up here captain we must give a big thank you and shout out
00:55:11
to a website this is Scott Lee Kimball dot-com it's a website that is maintained by the daily camera which is
00:55:20
a Boulder Colorado newspaper dating all the way back to 1890 that's right your great-great-grandfather was reading the
00:55:28
daily camera the website was invaluable to our research in the site includes a timeline and links to numerous articles
00:55:36
about the case and if the name the daily camera sounds familiar longtime listeners will remember the daily camera
00:55:44
was a great source for our six-part JonBenet Ramsey coverage which took place it in episodes to 82 to 85
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