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talk some true crime now [Music] in the early morning hours of July 23 2007 two men broke into the home of Dr
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William Pettit Pettit had lived at the home on sorghum Mill Drive and the quiet safe town of Cheshire Connecticut for 20
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years at home with Dr Pettit that night was his wife and two daughters the two men found Dr Pettit asleep on a couch in
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the sun room they beat him with a baseball bat from there the two men went on to ransack the house and terrorize
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the girls this is the nightmarish story of a home invasion and murder Dr pettit's wife Jennifer and two daughters
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17 year old Haley an 11 year old Michaela were killed by these two men a few days later at the memorial
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services for the three victims Jennifer Pettit and her daughters Haley and Michaela over 4 000 people were present
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people came in from several states away all three were buried in white caskets per Bill's request
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and somehow Bill still nowhere near having recovered from the physical attack he had been subjected to somehow
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bill he had the strength to speak at that service now let's go back to Monday July 23rd
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because right after the vehicle stolen by these two men Jennifer's van had crashed into two police cars the
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police thankfully arrested those men right so now we have these two guys in custody
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the police arrested Joshua Karma sajevski he's he's younger than his partner in crime Stephen Hayes by about
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20 years the two of them they shared the same set of issues both of these guys are career criminals they're in and out
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of trouble for most of their adult lives they both have problems with alcohol and
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drugs now both these guys up to this point were guilty of having committed pretty much just Petty crimes you know
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uh breaking into cars stealing cars that was Stephen Hayes's thing within hours of the arrest Stephen Hayes was ready to
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confess and tell the police just what went down the how and the why now according to Stephen Hayes the two
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men he and Joshua had met at a halfway house and became they became friends of sorts
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Hayes would typically commit crimes to feed his alcohol and drug problems but he was looking to quote unquote step up
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his game he wanted to start breaking into homes because he was under the impression that you will find more money
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and more valuables especially if you go and pick out a nice home and watch it for a while
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anyway Joshua is a pro at breaking into homes as a matter of fact that is like his specialty he's been arrested many
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times for breaking into homes yeah and I think when he was arrested one time he claimed that he broke into 18 different
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homes uh so Joshua starts showing his new friend Stephen Hayes how to pick out a
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good house how to break in what to look for all that sort of stuff right in fact
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just the day before they broke into the pet it's home the two had broken into several homes
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Stephen Hayes was learning new Criminal skills and Joshua was now Joshua now with the help of a partner was scheming
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other ways to increase the score plus it's widely believed that he wanted to start committing other types of crimes
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rather than just bne and burglary one of the questions becomes why did they pick
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the Pettit family well we have a situation Captain where late in the afternoon on Sunday July
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22nd 48 year old Jennifer Hawk Pettit she's with her 11 year old daughter Michaela
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they went to that Stop and Shop grocery store in Cheshire now during their trip to the grocery
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store somehow they attracted the attention of Joshua karmasavjevsky who followed them home he was there waiting
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for somebody he said something like um a contractor was supposed to pay him some money or something like that but
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anyway he he sees the woman and her child at the store it seems like he may have had some
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some attraction to the child he definitely did yeah and he decides to follow them to their home where he
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notices that they live in a nice neighborhood and a big house and I think he says quote it looked like a nice
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place to be someday yeah Stephen Hayes would tell us that Joshua told him that he had liked the way the 11 year old
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girl looked Stephen Hayes messages Joshua he sends him a text message saying hey I'm chomping at the bit to
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get started need a margarita soon to which he gets no reply from Joshua Stephen Hayes then texts later saying we
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still on question mark Joshua replies yes Stephen Hayes wants to know if it will
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be soon and Joshua answers I'm putting the kid to bed hold your horses Stephen Hayes then wrote dude the horses
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want to get loose LOL at some point the two men get together that evening and they decide to go out to a bar and
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they're having several drinks I'm guessing what they're doing is they're planning their attack because Joshua is
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telling him about this home that he has become aware of that he followed these two people home from the Stop and Shop
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grocery store and he liked their house it was a big house there's probably lots of valuables in there according to Hayes
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confession the two men had planned to rob the pet at home under cover of Darkness leaving the family bound but
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unharmed the men got into the home through the Cellar Door remember the Cellar Door that leads down into their
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basement from their backyard the the the lock on this door was broken it actually had been broken for quite
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some time yeah but this is also a neighborhood at that time a lot of people didn't lock all their doors and
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the seller basement stairs uh once inside would lead up to the Pettit family's kitchen this door too had a
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lock on it so you could lock it from the kitchen side um however this lock was not locked that
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night and it wasn't common practice for anyone in the Pettit family to lock this
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door well after creeping in through the Cellar Door through the basement up the stairs uh they eventually found William
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Pettit sleeping on a couch some people call this the porch it's more of a sun room
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now bill says he never heard the men approaching him um he actually didn't wake up until Josh
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struck him in the head with the baseball bat Josh had found the baseball bat there are several accounts of this most
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of them saying that it was lying in the yard somewhere in the backyard there is an account or two that said they may
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have found it in the basement then tying Bill up at gunpoint and later moving him
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to the basement the children and their mother were bound and locked in their respective rooms Stephen Hayes said that
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he and Karma sajevski were not satisfied with the amount of money or valuables that they found in the home and that was
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when the bank book was discovered which showed that big available balance that we discussed
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Stephen Hayes went and he purchased the gas um the gasoline in those two jugs he
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actually is about seven o'clock he actually got lost on his way back to the home
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um driving around more than necessary he was communicating with Joshua either by
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way of text or phone calls or both to try to find his way back to the pet at home
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which of course we know he ultimately did he unloaded the gas and then he drove Mrs Pettit to the Bank of America
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he mostly drove around you had said yesterday that she was in there longer than he had expected and I think this
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probably made him nervous knowing that there would be some type of cameras or possible surveillance outside of the
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bank so he was driving around maybe to hide his identity a little bit better but during this time Joshua is still
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back at the house he severely escalated the nature of the crimes that would be committed
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Stephen Hayes says that when he returned with Mrs Pettit in the money back to the
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house that Joshua had told him that he had sexually assaulted the 11 year old girl that was locked in her room
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upstairs he said that Joshua provoked him provoked Stephen Hayes into raping Mrs
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Pettit while Hayes was raping her on the floor of the living room Joshua entered
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the room at some point and announced that bill Pettit had escaped the house yeah but let's be clear about this
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because you know when they're first arrested you know Josh is coming out right away saying my name is you know
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Josh there's these you know here's the people that are in the house when Stephen is arrested he doesn't give them
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the name he doesn't basically cooperate at all within hours they're both kind of
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turning on each other this is just shows you what kind of horrible pieces of [ __ ]
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these people are when they say oh well he provoked me to rape the mother yeah you could have just said no you got
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gasoline because you were worried about fingerprints and DNA so you knew you're going to torch this house yeah they go
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back and forth with their stories and they're constantly like you know it seems like most the time they're telling
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the truth and then there's these little tiny gray areas where they start putting
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the blame on the other individual and I think this is one of them oh he provoked
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me yeah I mean we have this situation where there Stephen is saying that the the plan was to just get rid of the
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fingerprints that we just need to hide evidence that we probably left unknowingly left within the home and if
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we could get this gasoline we could ransack the house we could get the money from the bank and then we could tie this
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family up move them elsewhere and torch the house with the gasoline right and he
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but what he's saying is because Josh escalated it by um raping the the daughter that that that's the reason why
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they had to kill him you knew that they saw your face anyways I think there was a possibility that
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they knew that they were going to get rid of this family you know all along and Stephen says once
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he's told by Joshua that bill Pettit had escaped the home from the basement um that he strangled Jennifer and then
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doused her lifeless body and then other parts of the house with that gasoline including the daughter's rooms while
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they're still tied to their beds both both of the daughters have been doused with gasoline each with her head with
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their head still covered with these pillowcases fire was started and Stephen Hayes and Joshua Karma sejevski fled the
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scene Haley and Michaela both died from smoke inhalation um they were burned to death and the
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oldest one there were signs that she actually got up so she was alive while she's being set on fire and as we said
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the two suspects fleeing the home there immediately spotted by police pursued and arrested just one block away from
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the from the home the whole home invasion lasted roughly seven hours uh both men smelled strongly
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of gasoline uh during the the interrogation process detectives noted this each of the two lowlifes as you had
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said blamed or implicated the other as The Mastermind and or driving force behind the sexual
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assaults and The Killing Spree there were even attempts at times to blame the husband and father Bill Pettit as some
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type of accomplice yeah and that was kind of the rumor in town when you have a whole family that is murdered the way
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they are and and the husband gets free I think a lot of people assumed that maybe
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he had something to do with it on September 13 2010 this is how long it takes Captain to get to the first trial
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in this situation oh but there's some stuff to talk about before the first trial I mean both individuals both of
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these um low life pieces of [ __ ] they say hey look we will tell you everything we'll
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plead guilty you know just give us life in prison with no possibility to parole that was their first thing that they did
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and for whatever reason the state decided that that wasn't enough yeah and it's it's unfortunate because there are
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there's a lot of media regarding how this came about there's a lot of people saying that Dr Pettit that bill Pettit
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was the driving force saying we have to we have to sentence these guys to death well because there was a bill going to
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be passed and they're going to get rid of the death penalty they basically State because of this case and because
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of the horrific nature of this case that we're gonna I think the governor vetoed
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it and they said okay well now that Bill is vetoed for right now and now we're going to go to trial Bill Pettit would
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say that you know he never argued never never fought the uh prosecutors on this but it was the prosecutors that had
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given the recommendation to him that we go after the death penalty and we don't need to get into a whole death penalty
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debate or anything like that but uh well that's what this case becomes the aftermath of it and the fact of the
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matter is I mean I think okay I'm just going to say this because is kind of what I believe I mean none of
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these details none of this stuff has to come out in public and you don't have to
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spend money on this stuff these guys are going to plead guilty because it's been
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the rest of their lives in jail they're not going to go to regular jail they're going to go to solitary confinement it's
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basically like being buried alive and these guys are going to have to live with their actions for the rest of their
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lives also in the meantime before the trial happened I believe both of them try to take their own lives
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yeah these guys want to die you know and so you're going to go after the death penalty that's kind of what
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they want so why would you give these animals what they want lock them lock them in a cage have them deal with their
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actions and what they did and they'll have to think about that every day the other
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problem that I have with this case is that once you go to trial now all these details have to be relived and some of
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these details weren't known because the cops and the media the cops weren't sharing this with the media because they
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didn't have to they have confessions and so to me uh you know it's like you can you can protect them after their
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death by not having to relive this or not have to put this information on to the public yeah but I there's clearly no
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right answer here um you know you can make a strong argument for either situation that they
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should be um they should just let them confess and give them life in prison or have the
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state kill them you can make a strong argument for either one I think in this situation
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whatever the sole survivor of the home invasion wants to go after and if the person that doesn't make it right just
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because he was the sole survivor it doesn't make it wrong though either um I think there is a right and wrong
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answer here okay I mean I think one I don't know if we should get into this right now but the state spent over seven
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million dollars trying to prosecute these guys and then uh Steven has now asked to be sent to death and they're
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still appealing it he's like hey go ahead kill me I want to die I don't want to live with what I did and and the
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state's still going no we're still going to have appeals we're going to still spend more and more money on this
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I I don't know how that makes any sense okay well I don't I don't want to put a dollar amount on on Seeking Justice for
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for victims of horrible crimes that's no that's how's that seeking any justice I
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mean the big question here becomes when did the cops know about this and what could the cops done to possibly prevent
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this I mean there were they weren't dousing the house with gasoline until they got
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back and within probably 30 seconds of them returning back home police were on the scene
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you know so they have the house surrounded that becomes the big question I think that's uh a moo argument to say
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well we're gonna I'm putting a price on Justice you know what is Justice that's what these killers wanted they wanted to
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die so isn't that given them what they wanted and is that Justice I would rather give Bill what he wants I
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don't care what these two guys want anyway at the first trial wait September but what you're saying doesn't make any
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sense because what Bill wants and what the killers want are the same thing it does make sense how does it not make
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sense I'm saying that the the guy that had to live through this nightmare that every day has to wake up without his
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wife and his two children if he wants these guys killed I'm fine with it that's what I'm saying I'm fine with it
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right and it doesn't matter what Stephen Hayes or Joshua Karma sajevski guys who
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have lied and manipulated people their entire lives say that they want I don't care I don't care what they right but
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this is not about them right it's not about them at all but once you go to trial once you go seeking the death
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penalty then guess what it becomes about it becomes about them because now we have to argue why did
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they do this what made them this way and so the whole trial becomes about the horrific stuff that they did to your
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family and it then it becomes about these two individuals and if you if you would have just taken
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the plea deal and you just would have locked them up for the rest of their lives we wouldn't be talking about this
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now we wouldn't I I don't think so I mean this is a home invasion with three murders this is one
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of the most publicized uh home invasion murder cases in in in the state of Connecticut yeah one of the main reasons
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it's so publicized is because they went to trial and sought the death penalty okay let's get to the first trial
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because we could debate this all night we have the first trial it takes till September of 13th of 2010 to take place
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now unfortunately Bill had to sit just about 10 feet from one of the men who had killed his family at the very start
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of the trial the defense for Stephen Hayes simply stated that everything the state says Hayes did he is guilty of he
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broke into the pet at home watched his partner beat Mr Pettit with a baseball bat he tied up the girls purchased the
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gasoline drove Mrs Pettit to the bank to get the money returned her to the home raped Jennifer Pettit and strangled her
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he Then followed Josh as the two perpetrators fled the home knowing it was in flames and that three persons
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were tied up and still alive at least two possibly three people tied up and still alive in the home so this trial
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was not going to be to decide if Stephen Hayes was guilty now this trial would simply decide how Stephen Hayes is going
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to be punished would he get sentenced to life in prison or would he get the death
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sentence attorney Thomas Allman told the jury this is um Hayes attorney told the jury
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that a sentence of life in prison would be the harshest possible punishment for his client because he was so tormented
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by his crimes and would be isolated in prison stating life in prison without the possibility of release is the
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harshest penalty it is a fate worse than death if you want to end his misery put
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him to death if you want him to suffer and carry that burden forever the guilt and humiliation
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sentence him to life without the possibility of release yeah and one of the things like I said before he tried
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to kill himself and one of the reasons was he kept on having these reoccurring nightmares that you know Stephen had a
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daughter and his and his nightmare his daughter was burning alive and he would have this dream over and over yeah there
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were several complications uh with his trial one like you said the suicide attempt I guess he was
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um he was pilfering away these the the drugs maybe some of this I think that was his second attempt yeah he was
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pilfering away these these pills for quite some time saving them up so he could take a whole bunch of them at once
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and attempt to kill himself and then he also had some health issues throughout the course of the trial that may have
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slowed it down a bit it came out in Stephen's trial that according to the men medical examiner an unspeakable act
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had been committed on 11 year old Michaela Joshua Carmen sajevski had sodomized the little girl this was new
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information that further shocked the public and the poor family had to hear this information in person at the trial
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of Stephen Hayes Joshua had admitted to assaulting the girl orally but not this the jury also learned that the police
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had found pornographic pictures on Joshua's cell phone that were presumably taking taken by Joshua during the time
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that he was assaulting the little girl the picture showed Michaela naked and tied to her bed in the uh showed
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Joshua's genitalia as well in the uh the pictures yeah and this happened when Stephen left to get the gas around seven
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o'clock there was more than one assault um you know regard however you look at Steven Hayes story also presented at
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this trial were the journals of of Joshua in which he referred to his breaking into homes as extreme sport uh
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in his diary he chose to call Bill Pettit a coward and claimed that bill could have stopped the murders had he
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wanted to he said that Jennifer the mother and wife was Brave and that Haley the oldest daughter was a fighter and
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again he said bill was a coward the man he had beat over the head multiple times
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with a baseball bat I mean it's just ridiculous that he would refer refer to Mr Pettit as a as a as a coward I mean
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we have Stephen Hayes Steven Hayes says in his confession he says that Josh hit Mr Pettit in the
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front and back of the head with the bat as hard as he could now this is a man that that most
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certainly was threatened with a gun uh quote remember the quote if he moves put two bullets in him a man that had
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lost over seven pints of blood that was slipping in and out of Consciousness a man that was beaten and bound and had to
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hope and pray that the the men that had beaten him were being honest when they told him they were only there for the
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money and then they would leave and these same dirtbags told Jennifer told Mrs Pettit if you go to the bank
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and get us the money we will leave and instead she was not rewarded for doing this
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not rewarded for doing what they said at all she was punished for doing what they
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had said Stephen Hayes ultimately was found guilty on 16 of 17 counts related to the home invasion murders now on
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October 5th 2010 as when he was found guilty in early November the jury returned with
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a recommendation for him to be executed he was sentenced to death the jury chose
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to show him no mercy he was seeking Mercy as he had he he's claiming you know he had a pretty bad drug problem at
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this time uh he's also saying you know I offered a confession to the police I told them everything that I knew
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um but they they would show him no mercy foreign [Music] all right we're back cheers mates we're
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back from punching each other in the face and cheers to you Captain uh on December 2nd 2010 Stephen Hayes he
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apologized for the pain and suffering he had caused the Pettit family and added that death for me will be a welcome
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relief and I hope it will bring some peace and comfort to those who I have hurt so much now Judge John Blue uh
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formally imposed six death sentences one for each of the capital charges um blue then added a sentence of a
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hundred and six years for other crimes that Stephen Hayes committed during the home invasion
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and before he finished he stated this he stated this is a terrible sentence but is in truth a sentence you wrote for
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yourself in Flames may God have mercy on your soul now just as the captain had mentioned Stephen Hayes had attempted to
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negotiate a life sentence during a plea bargain and that did not happen after the verdict his defense attorney stated
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Hayes smiled upon hearing the jury's recommendation of a death sentence he added he is thrilled he is very happy
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with the verdict that is what he wanted all along basically they're going hey we're going for appeals and he's like I
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don't want to appeal I want to die now so again like I said it's I know that's what Bill wanted but it's also what the
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killers wanted now there was a second trial we have to try um Joshua karma sajevski for this uh he
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was born in 1980 to a 16 year old girl and a 20 year old mechanic and was later adopted by Benedict Karma sajevsky
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Joshua was a very similar setup let's say you know we have this situation where you're caught
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red-handed so it's more of a trial of is he going to get life or death Joshua was basically begging the jury in
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the court for Mercy his biological parents had a history of mental illness and Joshua grew up in a home where he
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was molested when he was about four years old his adopted parents brought in a 15 year old foster kid who raped
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Joshua and put cigarettes out on him when Joshua was was older he ended up molesting his little sister
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it's a little unclear how much knowledge the parents had of both of these situations but it seems like at some
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point during his childhood they had some type of knowledge yeah um and then choosing to deal with these situations
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themselves rather than to involve the authorities or any type of counseling what angers me is that this guy gets his
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day in court to basically you know justify why he did what he did and and so but these claims you know
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originally when they made these claims I thought well this is probably just a bunch of
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you know horse [ __ ] right yeah but the the kid was 14 at the time the foster kid
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um he admits to it um he apologizes but it seems like this family always turned to religion
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so instead of going to the authorities or anything like that okay well you know homosexuality is wrong and
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we're gonna put this kid and we're gonna push religion onto him and I think that's one of the reasons
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why how do I say this that he's he was attracted to younger females probably because of the abuse okay but
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didn't turn to males because of the the condemning nature of his religion religion yes right just to be clear in
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case it confuses anybody we're stating we're telling the story here and the story is that homosexual situation is
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the situation is this homosexuality is wrong according to Joshua's church so the church that he attended at the time
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not according to the captain or the colonel or Nick or however many people are in the garage here but now like we
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saw in the first trial Captain um with the journal with Joshua's Journal coming out that that stating you
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know Bill Pettit was a coward we see this again in the second trial where Josh is now saying he claimed that he
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believed that bill Pettit could have escaped earlier uh he claimed that the zip ties in the Rope were loose enough
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that bill could have wiggled his way out at any time his lawyer Joshua's lawyer also argued that for his client to be
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sentenced to death the victims that were murdered had to have died in a cruel manner now their argument is because two
00:33:08
of the girls here's their argument this is this is going to make you want to you thought
00:33:14
you meant you thought you and I got into it earlier with the back and forth this
00:33:18
is going to make you want to kick a hole through the garage door here done and done okay so the argument is this that
00:33:26
Stephen Hayes killed the mother right so you have to take that one off the table
00:33:31
when you're when you have Joshua on trial so he should only technically be charged with killing two people
00:33:41
um and they're stating these two girls their cause of death is technically listed as smoke inhalation
00:33:48
the smoke inhalation is described and this was forced to be described by Josh's lawyer he had the experts the
00:33:57
medical experts explain what typically happens when somebody dies of smoke inhalation well their argument is that
00:34:05
the way the the experts describe this did not particularly mean that it was a cruel manner in which these two girls
00:34:13
were killed of course they failed they purposely failed to mention the hours of traumatizing the girls the little one uh
00:34:22
raped both douse with gasoline and like you said were on fire and surrounded by Flames as they died there were some
00:34:31
details that were learned in the trial regarding that night um as the two men had some troubles with
00:34:38
a 17 year old Haley remember uh Joshua's Journal had said that she was a fighter
00:34:44
yeah both the men had ripped landline phones out of the walls once they took over the home well at least once I
00:34:53
believe possibly twice they caught Haley with her cell phone or someone else's cell phone attempting to either notify
00:35:01
someone or possibly call 9-1-1 on October 13 2011 Josh Karma sujevsky was convicted
00:35:12
on all 17 counts on January 27 2002 Judge John blue sentenced him to death by lethal injection to which his
00:35:24
sentence became an automatic life sentence as did Stephen Hayes's when eventually Connecticut abolished the
00:35:32
death penalty this took place in 2015. now both Hayes and Carmen sujevski are housed in separate prison facilities in
00:35:42
the state of Pennsylvania to serve out their life sentences yeah and I think this is the part
00:35:49
you know that makes me so mad about this case why did this information have to come to light in public
00:35:56
you know I you know why did they veto the bill for the death penalty penalty just to have this trial then once they
00:36:03
have the trial then they basically put that they passed the law anyways you know it seems like wasted time wasted
00:36:11
money wasted hurt you know I I don't know well to be fair to you Captain I think as with all of us
00:36:19
this is just one of many aspects of this case that that make us all very angry and upset with one really everything I
00:36:29
mean there's just no way to feel good about any of this regardless of what type of sentence or punishment these two
00:36:36
monsters end up getting in the end right and HBO made a documentary about this and when I was watching it
00:36:44
um towards the end of it and they're talking about Josh's trial and and what happened to
00:36:50
him as a kid I mean I think that's what really frustrated me the most and what made me so angry is these these guys are
00:36:57
horrible individuals and and I didn't want I don't want to know why they got that way
00:37:04
and I don't want to feel sorry for him at all but when you hear this stuff that happened to this kid somebody helped
00:37:12
create a monster was he going to be that way whether this happen without that I don't know whatever you think is Justice
00:37:19
whether it's the death penalty or just rot in jail I just want that to happen but I don't want to look at him as a
00:37:26
victim and I think by giving him the day in court you have to examine those things
00:37:33
yeah and this was unique because For the First Time In in the state's history the
00:37:39
Connecticut state judicial branch offered post-traumatic stress assistance to people who had served on the juries
00:37:46
of these two triple murder trials because they had been required to look at disturbing images and hear ghastly
00:37:54
testimony there were several parts during both trials where there were there were pictures that were not shown
00:38:02
to the public to the people that just showed up to witness the trials there were many obviously many images that
00:38:10
were shown to these people however with when it came to the jury there were several times during these trials where
00:38:17
they took a manila envelope you know one of them file folders and they put in it
00:38:21
whatever horrible graphic image that they had somebody had taken a picture of whether it was a picture Joshua had
00:38:29
taken on his cell phone or whether it was police and firefighter photographs during the investigation itself
00:38:37
and they had to pass these folders along and you know the one reporter wrote that
00:38:43
every time that these these file folders were brought to the jury I mean you could see it on their faces
00:38:51
it was as simple as this it was handed to one juror he or she would open up the the folder right look at the thing for a
00:38:59
second or two close it and hand it to the next person and the reporter said that anytime this happened in this in
00:39:06
this trial in these trials that's all you could hear in the entire courtroom everyone was silent and all
00:39:14
you could hear was the flapping open of this file folder somebody having to see something no one should ever have to see
00:39:21
well they had to take multiple breaks because of this yes and pass it along to the next person and of course the family
00:39:28
the Pettit family um they had to sit there and hang their heads uh when this happened as well the
00:39:36
victims these Three Angels of of humans you know they're the victims not not these animals but you give them their
00:39:46
day in court and like I said you have to examine that stuff that happened to them as well yeah
00:39:52
I mean that's that's two monsters pleading for Mercy um they didn't obviously didn't show anybody any Mercy
00:39:59
that night so I'm glad that uh 24 people decided not to show them any Mercy as well as the judge
00:40:07
the aftermath of this thing I mean is is huge but I did want to touch upon a few
00:40:12
things um Bill Pettit established the Michaela Rose Pettit scholarship fund for the
00:40:19
chase Collegiate School he also established the Haley's hope and Michaela's Miracle Ms memorial fund
00:40:28
um there were several organizations and and foundations that have been set up uh
00:40:34
because of Bill Pettit and because of people close to this case trying to do a lot of good for
00:40:40
um because a lot of bad happened yeah um in August of 2012 Bill Pettit married uh he got remarried and eventually they
00:40:49
went on to him and his new wife went on to have I believe a son um so some some kind of form of healing for for
00:41:00
bill um yeah they actually tore down the Pettit Family Home and they turned that
00:41:06
into a memorial garden I really liked what one of the grandparents said is that uh if closure
00:41:15
means anything I'm forgetting then I don't want any closure and I thought that was that was good because you know
00:41:23
the thing is that these um three beautiful souls they were trying to do good in the world and who knows
00:41:30
what I mean you have a young daughter that raised over fifty thousand dollars for MS
00:41:36
yeah you know that's yeah I mean they were the the three girls were good in every sense of the word I mean all three
00:41:45
of them and here's one thing I also want to touch upon too Captain is you know I I've heard people say and I
00:41:53
think this is a fantastic quote that that once one's character is best judged in a time
00:41:59
of tragedy and the way that the bill Pettit and um his parents and the family members of
00:42:09
you know the hawk family and Jennifer pettit's family the way that They Carried themselves
00:42:15
presented themselves and their Humanity uh through this whole thing to it to me it was amazing how well they
00:42:25
were able to to carry themselves and hold themselves together yeah during and remain civilized
00:42:31
in a situation that none of us can actually can imagine and should never have to imagine going through now Bill
00:42:39
Pettit he has not returned to his medical practice since the murders stating that he his desire is to be
00:42:46
active in the foundations set up to honor the memory of his deceased family he now serves as a I believe a state
00:42:54
representative the other thing too regarding him not returning to his medical practice we have to keep in mind
00:43:01
the injuries that he sustained during that and the the type of you know he's got to have a clear mind he's got to
00:43:09
have steady hands he has to be able to think on his feet uh because of his job and he has said that the injuries he
00:43:17
sustained in the loss um emotionally mentally his heart is broken that he he's no
00:43:26
longer able to be of sound mind and we be somebody that's able to care uh for his patience in the
00:43:34
way that they deserve to be yeah when you go through that a tragic like that or a tragic loss like that you have to
00:43:41
figure out why care to go on and that's what he he had to figure out uh one final thought
00:43:47
for me Captain is Joshua Karma sojevski he called Bill Pettit a coward and personally I can't think of a more
00:43:57
sick and cowardly act than raping a child Joshua karma sajevski is a child rapist
00:44:05
he had a daughter of his own and there may have been one possibly good thing that could have come
00:44:14
of this I believe he would have eventually if he hadn't already I believe he would have raped his own
00:44:20
daughter and very likely many times that's what he is that's what Joshua karma sajevski is he's a child rapist
00:44:28
and he in fact is the coward uh Bill Pettit uh because of cowards like Joshua Karma sajevski and Stephen Hayes
00:44:39
he chose to speak at the funeral and two trials for his wife and two daughters and on those days
00:44:49
bill William Pettit was more of a man than I have ever been asked to be and more
00:44:56
Brave than I could ever imagine to be one thing that we should touch on because if we don't we'll probably get
00:45:03
some heat mail is the reaction from the cops and how they handled this situation
00:45:08
there has been some criticism from the hawk family yeah and I get it I get it I don't know that I
00:45:14
but here's the problem I'm able to sit here in the garage with you you know and and have a good time
00:45:21
with you and not today my friend yeah today's been aggravating but it's because of the case not because of you
00:45:27
not because anything out outside of you but I'm I'm lucky I'm able to sit here and have a beer and relax and talk about
00:45:34
this thing that happened 10 years ago right and so you think my mind would be clear
00:45:40
more clear than what than what it is that I should have a hard stance on these different opinions but I don't I
00:45:46
what I see is a crime that took six or seven hours to commit that broke a lot of people it broke the family members
00:45:56
and it it broke the community the thing here is you have a situation where I think I think in a good number
00:46:05
of ways the police were just following protocol they were setting up a perimeter they were trying to you know
00:46:11
they have to keep the peace and if that means um trapping it with inside those four
00:46:16
walls right sometimes that's what they have to do and as you and I both agreed on they don't fully know the situation
00:46:23
as to what's going on inside those four walls I agree with the people that are that are angry at the police and and
00:46:32
here's what I mean by that I agree that they're angry because I too am angry I just don't know that the police are the
00:46:38
right people to be angry at I think that this case is um one of these ones that just rips your
00:46:43
heart out and the problem is you when you have these two lowlifes who get life sentences or committed to death whatever
00:46:51
regardless of what they end up getting you're still angry you're still mad and you're still upset and at some point you
00:47:00
need more to blame than just these two guys because this just seems too horrible for only two people to be
00:47:07
responsible for and so that's when you know when you see um the hawk family upset with the police
00:47:15
I agree with them and I think you have to let them vent I don't know what could have been done differently I know that
00:47:22
bill has never publicly blamed the police for any misdoings yeah you want to talk about being courageous I mean
00:47:28
here's the individual that he feels you know he lost all this blood and he still feels
00:47:36
that he should have went up the different stairs instead of going outside that he should have went into
00:47:40
the kitchen and I think he blames himself a little bit and he's probably angry and I guarantee you these cops
00:47:48
this law enforcement team now knowing what they know I guarantee you they're angry with some of their
00:47:55
decisions put yourself in their shoes you don't know what's happening you're trying to assess the situation these
00:48:02
cops did not want this to take place I guarantee you that every single one of them wish wishes that they could have
00:48:09
stopped it and I'm sure that they're angry and I'm sure that they blame themselves and there's no reason for
00:48:15
more people to point the finger at them hey one thing I want to point out to all
00:48:19
the Great Garage people out there is that we have our blog that's active on truecrime garage.com a lot of these
00:48:27
cases you know we cover so many cases a new one every week A lot of times we are
00:48:31
asked if we could do an update and things like that yeah that is the blog is a running update of all those cases
00:48:38
and the great thing is that everybody out there gets to contribute to that blog and to that information you can
00:48:44
participate by reading or writing your own comment there I do want to throw one thing in here please Captain uh we'll no
00:48:54
silence he shut it down just like that um regarding this case um let's let's not get into a whole Pro
00:49:02
against uh death penalty debate on the blog we will refrain from doing that um but certainly leave your other
00:49:10
thoughts there at truecrime garage.com a lot of interesting conversation going on
00:49:15
regarding the Kanika Jenkins case uh the Delphi case um all these cases still very active so
00:49:22
check out that information there yeah you can uh speculate if we're left or right wing but uh we'll never tell you
00:49:29
because this is not a political show so what I can tell you Captain is that this
00:49:34
case has made me so very angry and I'm very lucky and thankful to have a whole big bowl of leftover candy bars from
00:49:41
last night and I will use that entire Bowl to comfort myself I'm gonna use I want to get me through this troubling
00:49:50
moment I'm going to use a thing called bourbon so all right thanks for sharing on
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00:50:02
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