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ship for a tragic mystery far away some may say across the pond over to an island in the North
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Atlantic touching down in Ireland as of 2016 the population of Ireland was about
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6.6 million people ranking it one of the most populous Islands in all of Europe the geography of Ireland
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comprises of low-lying mountains surrounding a central plane the climate is influenced by the
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Atlantic Ocean and thus very moderate the winters are milder than most would anticipate
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but the summers are cooler than most of those in Continental Europe Irish culture has significantly influenced
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other cultures and shares many features with that of Great Britain including the
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English language and sports like football rugby horse racing and golf but none of that of course is why
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we are here no we are here due to the result of circumstances that are true truly
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unpleasant we are here because of Ireland's Vanishing triangle which is a term commonly used by the media when
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referring to a number of high-profile disappearances during the '90s over a span of about 5 years and 4 months at
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least eight women vanished from an 80m area outside Dublin in the Linder area and what became known as The Vanishing
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triangle six of these cases are particularly well known because of the investigations they
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precipitated due to similarities some believe a serial killer or serial killers were active in this area during
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this time the Irish police have set up many investigative operations and unfortunately much of this effort has
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failed to produce any substantial Clues we often see that law enforcement will not show their hand in most
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investigations as a simple but intelligent strategy it is only when desperation truly sets in that they do
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so and that is the case here with the triangle you see the nature of these disappearances are so unexplained and
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random that the Irish media needed to create an ominous moniker similar to that of the Bermuda Triangle to truly
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convey the full scope of this mystery but the name was created by the media and therefore it does not tell us
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of the level of desperation on the part of the investigators no it is their actions
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that take us beyond the curtain most rewards are offered up as a bounty for an arrest leading to a conviction of a
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perpetrator of a crime or crimes in these cases a reward is offered up for information resulting in the recovery of
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a body this week join us as we take a focused look at the first case in a series of
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disappearances of young women so pattern and perplexing it became known as Ireland's Vanishing triangle this is
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true crime garage and this is the case of Annie [Music] mccarrick [Music] Annie mccarrick was the only child of
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parents John and Nancy mccarrick she was born in March of 1966 and lived with her
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parents in Bayport on Long Island in the great state of New York she was very close with her parents John was a
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retired ired New York City police officer cheers to the boys and girls in blue and Nancy was a school
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administrator helping to educate and raise America's youth Nancy's parents were born in Ireland and Annie grew up
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loving Irish culture in fact Bayport was populated with thousands of Irish immigrants and Annie grew up steeped in
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Irish culture and Irish Catholic Traditions while she was enrolled at Skidmore College this was in
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1987 Annie took a trip to the Emerald Isle she fell in love with Ireland and transfer to National University of
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Ireland at manth in Dublin to finish her ba after she graduated her parents insisted that she returned to the US to
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get a graduate degree which she did obtaining a master's degree in English from SNY
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Stonybrook but in January of 1993 against Mom and Dad's best wishes the then 25-year-old Annie
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returned to Ireland now she had lots of friends from her College days there and it sounds like that's really where her
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heart was well she is going to need somewhere to live when she returns there so while looking for a flat to lease
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she's going to shack up with some of her old friends this is an aged couple their
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names Hillary Brady which just point out that's that's a man baby and Rita Fortune Hillary was the brother of an
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ex-boyfriend of Annie's his name is Philip Brady she eventually settled in the idyllic
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upscale Seaside suburb of Dublin called This is called Sandy Mount where one of her literary Idols the poet James Jo
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Joyce had once resided even though she already had a graduate degree Annie planned to take
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courses at St Patrick's training college to get her degree in education so she could teach high school
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English she supported herself by working long hours as a waitress at a place called Cafe Java where customers loved
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the the pretty sweet young American Girl that worked there her best friend from Bayport blueo High school on Long Island
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Linda ringhouse said of Annie she had a love affair with Ireland quote she loved the food she loved the
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people she loved the music she loved the books and she loved the scenery she jokingly says she even loved the
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plants Linda said that Annie told her quote it's almost like I live there in a previous
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Life Annie was 5'8 in tall so a tall woman with strong features intense eyebrows and an unruly curly dark hair
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she has been described as vivacious and friendly a total people person who loved
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company who was always smiling and outgoing but probably a little naive in general about people now let's take a
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moment here to address the setting for our listeners who aren't familiar with Ireland and the Dublin area specifically
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the Republic of land is a democratic nation which had a population in 1993 the year that Annie moved there of
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about 3.58 million people now it's a separate country from Northern Ireland which is
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much smaller and is part of the United Kingdom the quiet residential area of Dublin where Annie lived is just 6 km or
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about 3.75 miles from downtown Ireland is a very safe country in general in 2017 for example there were
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only 41 homicides Sandy Mount where Annie's flat was was one of the safest areas of Dublin Annie told friends that
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she felt much safer there than she did back home in New York in fact one of the women who worked with Annie at Cafe Java
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said that Annie would often walk home alone sometimes this is even at like 3 in the morning mhm all right captain on
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to The Disappearance a little warning here though first Annie was not abducted in
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the sense that no one claims to have seen her being tossed into a vehicle or to have heard a scream or really
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anything of that nature so we are going to go through about 3 days of what we know and
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included in this are some things that have been reported but may not actually be confirmed these could some of these
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things are unconfirmed so as you will see there is no clear timestamp here in our timeline
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where we can say for certain okay here is when things started to go wrong or at this time we know Annie is in
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trouble the three days we are going to go through will be a Thursday Friday and Saturday Saturday with really the day in
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question primarily being the Friday March 26th 1993 okay so listen closely and Captain
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chime in if anything I say gets confusing okay the police or gardi as the Irish National police force is
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called were able to reconstruct some of Annie's movements leading up to her disappearance we know that she worked at
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Cafe Java on Thursday evening and when she finished her shift she had said that she would come in the
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next day which would be Friday this to collect her wages and drop off some homemade pies she was a was quite the
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baker so often the restaurant or whatever you want to call Cafe Java they would pay her to to bake things at home
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and then she would bring them in and they would they would sell them there mhm her next scheduled shift was on
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Saturday Okay so Thursday evening she works tells her employer or co-workers I'm coming in tomorrow to collect my
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wages and drop off these homemade pies however she's not technically working on Friday that's her day off her next
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actual work shift schedule is on Saturday so this leads us to the Friday morning yes that's correct what we know
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that takes place early on Friday morning we have her two two roommates who says that they they kind of say goodbye to
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Annie at this point these are two ladies that she shared her flat with in Sandy mount in a complex called St Catherine's
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Court the two other ladies this is Ida Walsh and Jill TWY were headed off to visit their
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families and what they popped into Annie's room simply just to say goodbye hey we're getting ready to leave at this
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time they say that Annie was sitting up in bed and she was knitting she told Ida
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and Jill that she planned to go for a walk that day and we're going to refer to this I I this to me seems more of a like
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planned hike not just a walking around town situation but in all the reports it's often referred to as a
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walk hiking seems to be something that Annie did fairly regularly and we'll get into that a little bit more as that's
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fairly important to the the story now the two of them her two roommates say that they left the flat at 8:50 a.m. and
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so now Annie is going to have the apartment to herself for that weekend she did have some upcoming plans as well
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she planned a dinner party for herself at the flat with friends to celebrate her birthday yeah her birthday was a
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about what 5 days before yeah so we know that she had some plans and we have a general version for that weekend of what
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the plans are to be but now we're going to start getting into some things that we don't know
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exactly what happened but we also know that the following weekend so she has plans for that weekend Saturday I'm
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going to make some food for my friends we're going to have a little get together here the following week my
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mother's going to come into town correct so she's got things that she's looking forward to as well you know
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she's got Friday off well it depends on if you like your mother or your friends um she's got Friday off she tells her
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her employer hey I'm going to stop by for these reasons we know she's scheduled to work on Saturday her dinner
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part is going to be after her shift on Saturday and then as you stated mom is coming into not Town not just the town
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into the country to visit me in about a week now we do know some things that happened for certain one we have CCTV
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footage that captured Annie at the Allied Irish Bank in Sandy Mount sometime before 11:00 a.m.
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right I get a little frustrated here with these reports Captain because it's it's
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closed circuit TV footage saying that that this is sometime before 11:00 a.m. so to me it's not really clear how this
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time frame is not more specific or more exact considering that she's on video every CCTV camera their clock is always
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wrong yeah we're on we've done like 380 episodes so we've covered well over 100 cases and anytime there's security
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footage involved they've never seemed to have the clock right right it's a tricky
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thing it's it's it's very what time is it now nobody knows nobody knows so it says sometime before 11:00 a.m. in
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the reports that I have found now she is visible on the CCTV footage wearing a knee length coat and carrying a satchel
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at the bank she is there chatting and talking with staff who say they knew her these are people that say Not only was
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that Annie but we we know her not just you know as a as a customer whatever we've seen her multiple
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times there apparently there are a few different versions and you and I were talking about this in the garage earlier
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of what her activities were were that day at the bank were were mhm what time is it now uh who knows um clocks are off
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by about an hour there are stories that say she was simply making a deposit or a withdrawal
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right the more specific reports that I've read Captain say that she was actually transferring an
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account to this Branch from another Branch from a different area of town and making a bit of a leap here
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right and I've heard the opposite that she's actually taking her money out of this bank to open up a different uh
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different account at a different bank okay I'm making a bit of a leap here but if we go back to what we do know we know
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that she fairly recently moved to this specific area mhm so it does seem likely that she could be transferring an
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account to this Branch MH uh she has a car but the car you will notice is really absent from this story my
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understanding is that it was a manual transmission and you know how it is some people buy those and they don't know how
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to operate a manual transmission it sounds like she wasn't comfortable doing so and so you'll see throughout this
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story she's often walking places or getting on a bus that's how her community was set up anyways it was not
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that far from Dublin so it was considered the best spot to live if you wanted to commute in and out of Dublin
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this this sounds like a idic place to live if you like okay you got a little bit of schooling you want to finish up
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you got this cool job working at Cafe Java you can walk basically everywhere that you need need to get be it to a pub
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or to the bank or wherever sounds like a fantastic place now my thought is because she recently
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moved there maybe she was transferring an account for whatever reason regardless of what she was doing there
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that day we know several things one she's seen by people that know her right and she is captured on surveillance
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footage yeah and you can see the footage for yourself and just by looking at a handful of pictures of Annie and then
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looking at that footage it's very clear that's 100% her and I'm going to make another leap here that I think is spoton
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my friend not only because we've seen it a million times mhm but the next part of
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the timeline kind of clears this up right so she then goes to the quins worth Supermarket MH where her receipt
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which would later be found in her apartment the receipt is timestamped for 1102 11 72 a.m. for that day so that
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tells you that yes the the clock on the surveillance footage is wrong and so they they know that it was before 11
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because she was at the supermarket at 11: making these purchases on her way back to her flat she used a public phone
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kiosk to make two phone calls that we know of she could have I want to stress this she could have made more calls but
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we are aware of what two of these calls were again this is 1993 so there'd be public phones everywhere yeah pay phone
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a public phone kiosk sounds so much nicer than pay phone and I don't know if it's the same thing maybe you don't have
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to pay I don't know but my understanding is that the phone they had in their flat their landline MH it didn't always
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work and so it was not uncommon for her to use one of of these public phones now
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let's get to the calls one of the phone calls was to her friend Hillary uh just confirming that he and Rita would be
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coming over for dinner on Saturday just to firm that up a bit the second call was to a female friend named an
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owire Annie invited an to go hiking with her later that day The Chosen location for the hike is an area called inis Cary
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mhm according to their visitor website the village of inis Carey is located just 30 minutes south of Dublin City and
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is the gateway to Wicklow which is referred to as the garden of Ireland MH widely regarded as one of Ireland's
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most Charming Villages inis carry is a wonderful place to visit live and working that's not my endorsement that's
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from their website I don't think their website's going to go come here it's it's a real dump it's a real
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dump more importantly to our story is that one of Annie's favorite this is one of her favorite areas to hike and she
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had been there many times before often with this friend that she's calling and asking hey do you want to go with me
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later today for a hike right right we've done this before let's do it again again
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judging from what I could see on their site on their website this is a very Scenic area with waterfall
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and gorgeous views so I've seen pictures it's a real dumpster fire it makes sense
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that this would be a desired place to go hiking now an her friend not Annie and an it gets a little confusing an her
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friend that she invited had recently suffered an injury to her ankle an ankle injury and she told Annie that she could
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not go along with her that day Annie then tells an hey that's fine I hope you feel better but I might go anyway by
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myself so this call to an was really the last known contact Annie had with any of her friends at this
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point it appears that Annie returned to her flat right it is not known exactly what she did in the next couple of hours
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but it seems that she made some pies and did some laundry sometime after 100 p.m. a
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plumber saw Annie leaving the apartment complex heading toward the new Grove Avenue bus stop mhm he says the two said
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hello as they recognized each other a second witness this is Bruno borza owner of a shop nearby says he saw Annie flag
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down the departing number 18 bus shouting for it to stop this bus was headed along to a Westerly route to
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ronal and it did not run very often Captain so Annie's flagging this bus down rather than waiting and waiting and
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waiting for the next one to arrive mhm the bus stopped and she boarded the bus and the bus drove off before we move on
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I do want to note something here we have the plumber who says that sometime around 1 o' is when he saw Annie
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mhm I don't know what he's using to judge this this time off of you know I don't I
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don't think he's saying that hey I looked at my watch and I saw her walk by at at 10 after one mhm regarding the the
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items that we get into after this in the timeline it would actually seem that that time stamp should be pushed back a
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little further that this likely happened around 2 or 2:30 which doesn't really mean much I mean we
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just have somebody and I Witness saying yeah I saw her leaving the complex and I
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believe it was around this time it might in fact be just a little bit later now in
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ronal Annie was seen by a former colleague someone who says they knew her well she's seen waiting in line for the
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number 44 bus this is around 3:40 p.m. mhm this bus was the one that ran to inis Cary which would be about 12 miles
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away in the Wicklow mountains where Annie told her friend an that she had planned to go on the hike right the
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colleague named Amir ogrady did not get a chance to speak to Annie as she sat downstairs on the bus while Annie sat in
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the upper deck while when Amir got off I guess they got off in in miltown is air
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a guy or a girl uh a girl right uh she says that she did not see Annie get off the bus at any time so her assumption is
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that Annie was still on the bus when Amir gets off and then you know she gets Annie's
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getting off at a different stop later what's strange about this is according to this timeline Annie would not have
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arrived in the mountains to begin her hike until around 4:15 p.m. in late March Sunset was typically
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at 6:45 p.m. so a lot of people have brought this up that it seems like she's going to a lot of trouble to go on a
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hike that might be less than two hours or last about two hours she's taking two buses that's not that big of a deal but
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but she's traveling far from home to a desolate area it's not that far I I I think that's 20 miles I think
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that's debatable where where I combat that that debate is I'm a person that enjoys hiking however most of the hikes
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I go on are fairly short and in fact they're shorter than two hours so um kind of seems like you don't like hiking
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no the the trail that I like is is close to my home and you can take it three different routes one would take you
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about an hour and a half one takes an hour one takes about 40 minutes I prefer the hourong one
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uh selfishly because a lot of the podcasts I listen to are about an hour long so the the hourong trail works well
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for me but to to the defense of the people that say Hey this seems like a lot of
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movement here to go hiking by yourself for a short period of time the trail that I take that's on that short hike is
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is very close to my home it's it's incredibly convenient mhm nevertheless all of these sightings of Annie on
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Friday the 26th seem to be accepted by the Garde as pretty reliable which I I guess it seems pretty
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logical because either the Witnesses were all people who were acquainted with Annie you know such as the the former
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colleague Amir right or they were able to describe her accurately enough that police were comfortable that their
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information was correct well let's dive into that right after this quick beer [Music]
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mates cheers to you Captain cheers to the Dayton Flyers I'm a huge Dayton Flyers fan now Obie topping my boy my
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boy we're going to go win a championship you're going to go the buye I got the Buckeye are you into basketball as much
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as you are into hiking more so because it requires no hiking um these next two sightings of
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Annie are much more Up For Debate and rightfully so because I think you'll agree with me Captain there are some
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serious question as to whether they are accurate or not so a woman who worked at the post
00:33:28
office in inis Cary who was interviewed this is in the weeks after Annie's disappearance said that a tall American
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woman came in on that Friday to buy some stamps remember that since Annie was not
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native to Ireland she would have stood out Simply by virtue of her accent right and remember also that these are small
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towns really Villages where people know each other and recognize faces but let's
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keep in mind no one can say for certain if it was an that the postal clerk saw but let's say that it was and that the
00:34:09
clerk is correct if she was correct then Annie was at the post office in inis Cary between 4: and 5:00 p.m. this would
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mean that perhaps Annie decided to hang around in inis Cary rather than go hiking the next site in is one that is
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hotly debated it is a sighting supposedly of Annie at Johnny Fox's Pub between 900 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. this Pub
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dating all the way back to 1798 is a known tourist destination referred to as Ireland's highest Pub
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because of its Mountain setting at 920 ft above sea level and Annie had been there before this would not be her first
00:35:01
rodeo as they would say yeah this is a tourist Hots spot there you go there there were an estimated 350 people there
00:35:10
that evening a lot of people out of a bar after seeing Annie on the news a bouncer Named Sam Duran came forward and
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told the guard that he remembered seeing a woman that night who he was certain was
00:35:27
right he was the guy the bouncer at the front of the bar collecting there was a cover charge that night because there
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was music that's correct yeah she's trying to get into this it's like a separate event area of Johnny Fox's the
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hully room that was putting on a traditional Irish folk music show where I would be seen there river dancing my
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face off right the bouncer told her that there was a 2B cover charge and he says
00:36:00
that she seemed surprised by this and began to you know she's rumaging through her bag looking for money to pay the
00:36:08
cover well and this gentleman has a very thick Irish accent and so that's another
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thing that would give Annie away would be the fact that she was American and spoke English but with an American
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accent right well and I this is where I think the the unless she was like one of
00:36:26
those posers that started like trying to talk like she was Irish just cuz she's living there or or an Irish lady that is
00:36:35
a poser trying to speak uh sound American right what what is that movie um uh crap I can't think of it it's one of
00:36:45
the oh that doesn't help much one of the die hards where where the foreign terrorist guy he's like all you have to
00:36:51
do is chew gum and you sound American oh it's pretty easy to do apparently it's possible so say Walmart a lot the the
00:36:58
thing though too that I think gets a little dicey with a lot of this is 5'8 is fairly tall you know it's above
00:37:05
average height for a lady uh she has an American accent it's almost like but the tough
00:37:13
thing though too is that she does have Irish features she does but could you see a situation where somebody gets
00:37:20
confused because they saw a tall American woman and just made the de that it was in fact Annie especially in
00:37:29
a place like this that is known for tourism you know to have a lot of tourist visiting this seems like a very
00:37:35
American thing to go to if you're visiting Ireland well first we have the plumber I I question that just based on
00:37:42
the time as far as like did he see her probably he saw her what time was it 1 was it closer to 11: we've seen
00:37:51
constantly with eyewitness reports them being completely wrong mhm M and so could he have uh did he see Annie on her
00:38:00
way to the bank I don't know but at least we know that somebody saw her that day but that doesn't matter anyways
00:38:06
because we have her on CCTV then she's flagging down this bus possibly uh she would probably be more
00:38:16
known to people in her area anyways because she's working at a coffee shop and how many of those individuals go in
00:38:22
and get coffee and and and see her and maybe not know her person personally but know her through the C yeah and it's and
00:38:30
there's probably not you know the these there's a handful of American students in school with her and so they were all
00:38:38
kind of Popular by default so we don't know we have no 100% proof that she got on that bus we don't have
00:38:49
any kind of record that she bought a you know a token or bought a pass for the bus we have no clue so we have no clue
00:38:59
if she even got on the bus from there we have somebody that supposedly knows her but doesn't
00:39:08
actually make contact with her doesn't speak with her yeah right so again there's been several times that
00:39:15
I've been places where I thought I saw somebody oh that's my buddy and you start walking over nope that's not my
00:39:22
buddy is that possible it's definitely imposs here so really we have no proof where she's
00:39:30
at at all and so can we you know there was actually a um investigator from Scotland Yard mhm that
00:39:44
worked this case and he he kept saying if you get to this point that we're at this
00:39:51
bar and you believe this individual and you believe this uh Bouncer and he says I know 100% for
00:40:00
certain it was this girl again he doesn't know her right so other than pictures and his memory and he's he sees
00:40:09
her on the news and he's like oh yeah I that Friday she was in line and I I remember telling her it's 2 pounds so
00:40:17
it's not even like it's it's not later that night he's telling somebody this it's not and look again I'm not faulting
00:40:24
this this man right I just I believe he's trying to help the situation I just question if seeing that many people that
00:40:35
night in a touristy area if he was in fact right and here's the other thing too when you see a picture of somebody
00:40:42
on the news you know we've done this with other disappearances or or really other victims in general right you see
00:40:49
one picture of that person and I mean with Amy mahalic she's got that one famous missing person's poster right the
00:40:57
flyer and if you look at some of her other pictures or that video of her up in front of the classroom giving a
00:41:04
presentation she doesn't look like that famous photo of her yeah and what I'm getting at with that is what did this
00:41:12
gentleman see on the news to lead him down the road of oh yeah I saw her and I think we should add a little more detail
00:41:19
cuz he does have a little more detail to his uh sighting let's say well he was saying that she was searching for the
00:41:24
money and then this gentleman behind her was like I'll pay for both yeah he says
00:41:30
a a man in his late 20s who was standing behind her in line offered to pay for them both but this also makes somewhat
00:41:39
sense because they would have been similar ages and he said regardless if it was Amy or Annie or
00:41:46
not the woman accepted his offer right the bouncer says that this man was at least 5' 8 in tall where wearing a 3/4
00:41:57
length waxed canvas jacket uh he's of athletic build clean shaven with a short military style haircut he was holding a
00:42:06
pint of beer the as we said the man paid and Annie or the woman thanked him and she walked into the hully room with him
00:42:18
the bouncer he called this gentleman flatchested with broad shoulders which is you know I've never actually heard
00:42:26
that term he he was describing an athletic build mhm so I I've never heard um flatchested what what that would
00:42:36
mean for a man flat chested broad shoulders I'm guessing just maybe skinny yeah athletic build but but he
00:42:45
would have a good okay if Annie's 5'8 and let's just assume it's her then he would have a good indication
00:42:52
of how tall this individual was oh he's roughly about the same height as her maybe a little bit taller so 5'8 to 510
00:43:00
yes and that's what I think the the specific report says that in that 5'8 to 5' 10 range he also says that he does
00:43:09
not recall seeing Annie or at least the woman he believes to be Annie again at any time that night and according to the
00:43:19
Long Island Daily News and exhaustive canvasing of the area turned up no one else who recalled seeing her at Johnny
00:43:27
Fox's that night well see yeah I have different reports that a handful of people said it was possible that they
00:43:35
saw it was possibly that they saw her that that night backed up the bouncer story but what we can agree on here is
00:43:43
it's far from Clear whether Annie was actually at Johnny Fox's at all that night or if there was just an American
00:43:50
Bernette American roughly five six to 5'8 in this Pub yeah that that's a tourist Hotpot the other thing too is
00:43:59
the pub Johnny Fox's is about 3.5 miles from Andis car in the village of Glen colen if Annie was there we don't have
00:44:09
anybody telling us how she got there and what was she doing in the inisar area all
00:44:17
evening leading up to this cuz this is between 9 and 11:00 p.m. at night that she's supposedly seen at at Johnny Fox's
00:44:26
right so there's nearly a 4our time period between these supposed sightings of when Annie was I mean she's
00:44:34
unaccounted for so something really this could if this is not Annie at all in these other sightings then something
00:44:41
happened before this well before this right it's really difficult but most investigators believe the friend that
00:44:49
saw her getting onto the next bus to take her to her destination take her to the place that she she told people she
00:44:56
was going to go hike that day mhm most investigators believe that eyewitness so if you believe that
00:45:06
eyewitness she is in that area yes this Pub is 3. some miles away that's not that far depending on which
00:45:17
part did she hike did she meet up with people did she call her friend you know an and her leg was you know hurt and she
00:45:27
called somebody else is there somebody that she knew from her past male or female that she just was like well I'll
00:45:35
call them when I get up there or she made additional calls at that that public phone that we just don't know of
00:45:43
I mean yeah or possibly made another stop at a different phone because again I don't know how big that city is but
00:45:51
back in the early 90s there's pay phones all over the place at least here so I'm just assuming that there would be
00:45:58
more than one local phone that should make calls at the other thing that we have to question too is at some point in
00:46:06
the night the buses will stop running so if she was at at Johnny Fox's at 11:00 p.m. you know yeah that's at the later
00:46:17
end of that possible sighting of her but if she is there at that time how was she
00:46:23
planning on getting back home to Sandy Mount if in fact she intended to go there right and I did see um our friend
00:46:33
Jessica pointed out that somebody on Reddit so take this with a grain of salt we don't know I take everything with a
00:46:39
grain of salt which I got she said that somebody on Reddit stated that taxis back in 1993
00:46:45
in that area were very uncommon so once the buses were done it seems like your public transportation options are nil so
00:46:55
so you're going to have to rely on somebody else to get you back home or stay with somebody that yeah but let
00:47:02
let's break this down real quick so we know that she hits the bus roughly about one something that leads her to another
00:47:12
bus around 3 something right yeah well okay so okay so that that bus would get her into this area
00:47:20
about 3:30 maybe 4:00 yes she would have been there uh at 4:15 okay so roughly 4:00
00:47:32
and when we get there let's just if I'm going to go on a hike let's say it's 2 hours that's going to put me in about
00:47:43
6:15 6:30 yeah by then I need to make uh my plans on if I'm going back right but if you're
00:47:53
hanging out with some friends right mm MH you made some other arrangements you're meeting up with a guy now you
00:48:01
have other options and so what's interesting is we have these sightings of Annie but in this crucial
00:48:13
time like you said where you're going to have to make some arrangements seems like we have no sightings of her right
00:48:20
and here's the other thing that you have to consider in this thought if she made
00:48:25
plans with other people or another person that we are just unaware of right we're unaware of that person because
00:48:31
they chose not to come forward and tell us hey I hung out with Annie that evening that means that person did
00:48:37
something is responsible or knows what happened to her yeah so here's some other things that that I think we should
00:48:47
consider as well and this is where it makes it even more confusing regarding the the whole Johnny Fox possible
00:48:55
sighting it was later discovered that there was another American woman there at Johnny Fox's that night that Friday
00:49:03
knigh mhm who actually resembled Annie and was dressed in a similar manner apparently this other woman really
00:49:13
confused things in the course of the gard's investigation because it was unclear which you know which sightings
00:49:21
were of this other woman and which sightings were that of Annie so much and so much so that in fact the Garde
00:49:29
tracked down this other woman and asked her not to wear certain types of clothing because when she when she did
00:49:38
they kept getting phone calls saying hey I spotted Annie at this place I spotted
00:49:42
I saw Annie the missing woman at this place right we're going to need you to only wear bikini tops from now on yeah
00:49:48
and it it turned out to be you know turned out to be her now the man right right but here's what we know for
00:49:54
certain this this this lady went to that bar there's eyewitnesses of the that girl being at that bar they tracked her
00:50:01
down she's alive and I'm going to tell you that to me this this sighting doesn't mean anything later but we'll
00:50:09
have to get there well what what I have in my notes Here is that the woman as you said they spoke with her she says
00:50:17
that she she was not the woman in line that got paid for the cover charge got paid for by some man that she didn't no
00:50:26
right she says I was there with my mother mhm so and she would have remembered hey this guy paid for me
00:50:34
right like so I I think that clears up that there was another American Girl in that
00:50:41
bar somebody paid for her way in not this lady according to a 2019 article appearing in University Express
00:50:53
entitled Ireland's Vanishing Trum triangle unanswered Annie mccarrick this alleged sighting the
00:51:00
Johnny Fox one that we've really gone round and round about right is now strongly believed not to have been Annie
00:51:08
at all but just as you stated some other American person likely a tourist other sources are certain that the bouncer saw
00:51:19
Annie that night but truly what I think we can agree on here Captain the upshot here is we don't know
00:51:26
for certain whether it was Annie or not it sounds like both you and I are leaning toward that it was not Annie no
00:51:33
that's not my that's not what I think oh I'm sorry no I I was saying it's a possibility gotta but that's weird that
00:51:41
they're they're making claims that they don't think it's her you know the only other claim we have other claims of
00:51:49
people in the bar that say that they possibly saw her it could have been the other girl that looked like her mhm but
00:51:55
but we have another like you're saying the stamps was within that vicinity as well yes much earlier but but uh about 3
00:52:09
and a half four miles away right but again it's maybe 15 minutes to walk a mile right so now one thing we do need
00:52:19
to State here and our regular listeners will not be happy to hear this at all this this is according to Irish Times to
00:52:27
an Irish Times article about Annie's disappearance she was known to hitchhike around Dublin even at night and even by
00:52:37
herself apparently many young people at the time considered this a valid form of
00:52:42
transportation that it was safe to do this in this area we did mention how safe Ireland is and this area
00:52:49
specifically so yeah it's so safe that we have a a triangle of missing women right right so safe so is it possible
00:52:58
that that it was Annie at the pub and maybe she planed to hitchhike her way back to the apartment complex after the
00:53:06
pub closed or after that going to that show and when she did something bad happened or as we said perhaps she met
00:53:16
up with someone or perhaps she hit it off with the man who paid for her in line and then things went bad yeah but
00:53:23
there also a lot of people had the bar believe that not only did this man pay for her to get in but that they sat
00:53:30
together and he actually bought her drinks all night now if that's true and a lot of people believe that if it was
00:53:36
Annie in the bar that she would have had to be there with somebody paying for things because she didn't have the kind
00:53:42
of money that she could go to this is a this is not just a normal Pub there this
00:53:48
is a tourist hot spot so what do they do with the prices they Jack them up my friend right they Jack them up top
00:53:56
dollar yeah that's what she said Jack them up um but so a lot of her friends a lot of people speculate if she was in
00:54:05
the bar that she would had to be with somebody that would be paying for the drinks and to me it's more likely that
00:54:12
she'd be getting a ride back to their place or they would or they told her I'll give you a ride back or whatever it
00:54:19
would be but it's also like I said it's not extremely far away it's not like she
00:54:25
50 mi from home 100 miles from home she's within 20 mi from her house yeah and again that leads us to
00:54:34
the other problematic portion of the story if in fact she did meet up with this man this man in his 20s
00:54:44
who it sounds like the bouncer has reason to believe that this man didn't did not know Annie prior to offering to
00:54:51
pay for the two of them to get in we've already mentioned her picture on the news we've already mentioned this
00:54:58
was actually a really big investigation over there at this time part of that is because it's an American woman in
00:55:06
another country who went missing right part of that is we have a lot of missing girls now on top of that we have a
00:55:13
missing American well she's the first in she's the first in the series so these other ones haven't occurred yet well
00:55:22
Don't Rain on My Parade we'll get into that in in tomorrow's episode but what I want to point out here again we have
00:55:29
another situation where we talked about earlier if she's meeting up with somebody that knew her that was supposed
00:55:34
to be her friend and they've never come forward that's highly suspicious same situation here if she sat and spoke with
00:55:41
this man hung out with him that night long enough for him to get to know her and he's never come forward then you
00:55:49
have to be highly suspicious of this unidentified young man that was at Johnny Fox's that's why believe the bar
00:55:56
the bouncer sorry the bouncer assumed that these two were together the actions and with a I'm
00:56:04
looking for money oh don't worry about it I got it again if it was just somebody that
00:56:09
you just bumped into a line and you heard about this girl going missing and you went I paid for her way to get into
00:56:16
that Pub make a phone call to the police oh by the way how was the man that paid for
00:56:21
that lady's way to get into the pub I don't know her I was there with another group of
00:56:28
friends we didn't even sit with her or maybe we did sit with her but we don't know what happened to her cuz we never
00:56:34
saw her leave you know what I mean mhm if it was purely innocent or the person didn't
00:56:40
know this girl then why wouldn't they come forward and just say oh yeah we saw her at the
00:56:46
bar I paid for her way to get in that was it I don't know her but so to me if this girl was Annie she was there at a
00:56:54
bar with somebody that she knew what we do know that happened is the following day on Saturday Annie did not show up
00:57:04
for her shift she had a morning shift at work she does not arrive to this this is
00:57:10
completely out of character for her yeah was like a part day shift yeah and then
00:57:15
she was going to have her friends come over friends come over and she's not there mhm yeah so no one I gu really
00:57:25
raised the alarm when she didn't show up for work it sounds like the alarm Bells
00:57:31
start going off that Saturday evening when Hillary and Rita the two friends showed up at the flat at Annie's flat at
00:57:40
8:00 P.M this is for their planned dinner party they say no one answered the door after repeated knocking the
00:57:48
pair eventually decided hey let's go to this Pub sit down for a little bit maybe
00:57:52
she's running late or whatever ever is going on and she's not home yet we'll kill about a half an hour they try
00:58:00
to they try words yeah sorry about that they go to the pub and then about a half
00:58:06
hour later they return to Annie's flat they're knocking again knocking again still receiving no response eventually
00:58:12
they went home yeah probably a little confused a little upset they had plans expecting a
00:58:19
dinner right right they decided to try to call the to try to call Annie but apparently I guess they realized they
00:58:28
did not have the number so they called nany Annie's mother who was at home just to get the number say hey we're trying
00:58:37
to get a hold of Annie we realized we don't have her phone number right they told Nancy that Annie wasn't home for
00:58:44
their planned dinner date but Nancy too did not really make much of this well she could have got stuck at
00:58:52
work there could have been an emergency that she just didn't let anybody know about yet no no need to panic after a
00:58:59
couple hours correct meanwhile an's roommates they returned Sunday evening and found that Annie had never unpacked
00:59:09
her quinoret door with things like meat cream and butter inside things that should have been refrigerated mhm it was
00:59:26
later confirmed that the bag contained everything Annie purchased at the grocery store that Friday they also
00:59:33
found wet laundry this is Annie's clothing wet laundry in the communal washing machine for the apartment
00:59:41
complex this is where it's so confusing for me first it seems like that time where you got friends coming
00:59:49
over the next day MH you you went and did um a little errand maybe got money from the bank maybe switch your account
00:59:59
then you get a little food from the grocery store now you got to come back you're doing a bunch at once going to do
01:00:04
a little cleaning got to put the groceries away I got to do a load of laundry but normally you
01:00:12
don't those things you finish at least you get the the the clothes from the washer into the dryer you at least put
01:00:20
the food into the refrigerator it's seems like all that got stopped and and it's so strange to me
01:00:30
that people just assume that all those things got stopped and then she jumped on a bus and went for a
01:00:38
hike yeah that's what's troubling here and they also found a pie on the counter you know we said Annie was making some
01:00:49
pies and some baked goods for Cafe Java that she was going to drop off on Friday
01:00:55
remember that's the day in question there's a pie on the counter so this is what the roommates
01:01:01
find when they get home Sunday evening and eventually they hear from Hillary the friend that was supposed to come
01:01:07
over Saturday evening right they call the flat he calls the flat speaks with the two roommates who have now returned
01:01:14
and says look yeah she wasn't home when we tried to go there yesterday for our scheduled birthday dinner party and now
01:01:22
the roommates and the friends over the phone are starting to put some things together and say hey this doesn't
01:01:29
seem right here something here just does not feel right so Hillary the friend calls up Nancy mccarrick Annie's mother
01:01:38
right calls her again and and remember she wasn't worried the first time but now by this point she Annie could have
01:01:45
been missing for 72 hours she and didn't show up for work or for her own dinner party right but if I go over to my
01:01:51
buddy's house and I open up the washer and there's a load of clothes in it no big deal people do that all the time but
01:01:59
if I walk into somebody's house and there's bags of groceries maybe just a couple of them but has maybe milk or
01:02:06
meat or whatever something that could go bad I'm going there there's a issue here
01:02:13
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