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[Music] [Music] crime [Music] the worst grade school shooting in US history at least 27 dead 20 children
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seven adults including the principal and the gunman killed himself and all over this town in churches like the United
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Methodist Church behind us well the lights are on and they are still open for prayer tonight it will be all night
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people have been Gathering here for prayer to lean on each other and lean on a belief in something bigger than
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themselves to help get through what is just impossible to believe here or anywhere else the sentiment here echoed
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in what you're seeing now down by the Washington Monument in DC uh M members of the Connecticut delegation was there
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but this story is really about their home here New Town Connecticut just 27,000 people this is a place where
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where people know each other families know each other and what happened today is known by all and it's not just about
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how many were lost it's about the age what is hitting everyone so hard is the reality of these being children that
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were targeted by a Madman we now know his name we know he's 20 years old Adam Lanza we know that before he came to
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this school he shot his own mother Nancy in the face killing her at her home the
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looming question is why this man then decided to come to this school he shows up at a place where they're making
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gingerbread houses and preparation for the holidays and Christmas presents just kids a man in Black enters with a vest
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and multiple weapons and begins a [Music] massacre [Music] Coline was not the first school shooting
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in history but if you ask people my age that's the first school massacre that we
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remember and you hate to force yourself to rank these tragedies but Sandy Hook certainly is one of the worst these
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stories are becoming a common occurrence we won't say it out loud but we are becoming a little numb to these horrible
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events mhm we used to kiss our kid and send them off hoping that they would learn something and make us proud but
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these days we kiss our kids and we hope that they come back once we shake off the shock and try to comprehend these
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tragic stories we must know why we seek out to answer every question one can think of but even after we have done so
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we are still confused we have we have to blame someone that part is easy as usually the guilty party is found close
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to his victims with a bullet in his head but that's just not enough that's not good enough because kids are not
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supposed to die parents are not supposed to bury their children and children and
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young adults are supposed to have too many exciting things to look forward to in their lives to ever think or consider
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of carrying out these plans that end lives ruin families destroy communities and break the hearts of a Nation why do
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these things happen is the problem our gun control laws is the problem mind altering Pharmaceuticals that treat our
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troubled youth or is it the bullies we simply may never know but we're not going to stop asking why and we're not
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going to stop looking into these events to try to prevent them from happening again yeah I believe most people our age
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or maybe a little younger uh the the times of high school or middle school or Elementary School being a place of
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safety a place of Education a place of where you had so many first experiences maybe your first best friend your first
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first girlfriend your first kiss who knows what it was schools were a place of safety a place that you would
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reminisce on once you left school you know the the Glory Days and now schools when you see a School flash on the news
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screen you don't think oh something positive you immediately assume oh no another school shooting happen again and
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with Sandy Hook it's more heinous because the victims were of age six and seven yeah and the the hard thing here
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Captain was you know when we met in the garage last week and we left saying okay
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next week is Sandy Hook we're very quickly thrown into the mix when we dive into these cases and this one especially
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where where we're you know it's so difficult to to research because of the tragic events it's so difficult to
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report on this because it's such it's such a horrible crime that happened the key thing here though is that at the end
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of the day this story is about not about the monster that carried out this crime
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but about the this story is about the school of Sandy Hook and its wonderful teachers and students by examining a
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case like this we might be able to see what some of the causes were and that might be able to put us on higher alert
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so we could prevent a tragedy like this happening again in another school in your town but it also is a reminder that
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life is short and life is precious and while we're here on Earth that maybe we should have more respect for each other
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and more love for each other Sandy Hook Elementary School is in the town of New Town Connecticut New Town is part of the
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Danberry metropolitan area and the New York metropolitan area one person that everyone probably knows is Caitlyn
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Jenner who of course back then would have gone by the name of Bruce attending New Town High School the population of
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New Town is about 27 28,000 people so this is not a big town this is more of what I would call a sleepy town this is
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an ex extremely Safe Community very very low crime rate it's like a modern Mayberry two of the residents in this
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community in 200 12 are Adam Lanza and his mother Nancy now let's go back here a little bit we have Adam Lanza was the
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second of two children of Peter and Nancy Lanza their first son is Ryan Lanza who is four years older than Adam
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the L of family moved to New Town when Adam was only 6 years old back in 1992 this is when became the VP of
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Finance for General Electric which is one of the more prestigious companies in the new town area Peter is described as
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a workaholic often getting into work very early in the day and then staying until 10: p.m. or even later Nancy took
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care of the kids Nancy grew up on a farm in New Hampshire and from a young age hunting was a hobby of hers she would
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often go hunting with her older brothers uh she did work for John Hancock before
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she decided to stay home home with her two boys if you watch the documentary New Town you'll notice that these are
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larger Siz houses normally like two to four car garages and their lots are bigger so the average lot I would say
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and I'm not I don't know the whole area but I'd say there's a lot of lots in this area that they're small communities
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but they have about 2 acres per lot yeah quite a bit of space between the homes there um at a very young age Adam seems
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different um and this is noticeable by his parents and his loved ones when he is 5 years old he is diagnosed with
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Asperger syndrome which is a form of autism with a significant difficulties in the realm of social interaction uh
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shortly after that he is diagnosed with sensory processing disorder this affects
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the body's sensory signals the SPD Center describes this as signals that are not organized into appropriate
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responses creating a neurological traffic jam that prevents certain parts of the brain from receiving information
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needed to correctly integrate sensor data Adam displays all of the common symptoms of this of this SPD uh avoiding
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groups of people and kids recoiling from touch flinching at sudden movements seeking seclusion and he also prefers to
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be in the dark Adam definitely seemed a little different and with his Aspergers obviously we we know why some of those
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things would make him seem different but it didn't seem like he was that interested into fitting into any gr no
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he never seemed to speak much or to try to make friends he just never seemed interested in making friends or
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relationships with other people his age um at home he also didn't seem to want to have much of a relationship with
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anyone in the lands of Home other than his mother Nancy was very much a helicopter mom when it came to Adam
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Nancy and Adam built a bond through target shooting this starts when Adam is very young uh he shoots his first gun
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when he's 4 years old Nancy encouraged their shared hobby for target shooting and an interest in Firearms this was
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really the only outdoor activity that Adam seems to enjoy because of Adam's disorders Nancy was overly concerned
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that Adam would become the target of bullies Adam's peers would often describe Adam as picked on occasionally
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but really for the most part Adam was really he really wasn't bullied he was was just kind of ignored with Adam's SPD
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his anxiety grew a lot more at home he would have these temper tantrums which would grow with age and so every time
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he'd have these temper tantrums it would like he become more violent and the number of these fits as well they
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increased yeah and this was getting worse for Adam in his middle school years yeah and it's around this time
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that one of his middle school teachers would discover some of Adam's drawings now these are images depicting people in
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various states of death at home Nancy is finding similar drawings of Adams as well as printouts showing scenes of
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death and violence that he had found on the internet uh Nancy does seek help from a professional regarding these
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images that she's finding and concern about Adam's well-being and maybe where his head's at right but she does not
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feel that Adam's needs were being met by that professional and this would be difficult for any parent to deal with
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with a typical kid but in Adam's case his his communication skills are not the best regardless this is a difficult
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thing to to experience and to deal with because your your son is roughly let's say 14 at the time and you know I can
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remember being a kid and I'm not going to pretend that to be some kind of expert parent nor do I fully understand
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this disorder uh or either of these disorders that he has but you know when you're a young teenager you know
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especially for me you're listening to Metallica and things like that and you doodle at school while you're trying to
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pass time and SC s creep their way onto uh you know my my notebooks and my journals and things like that now did I
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have any fantasies about going out and and collecting skulls or or or you know creating Havoc or death well a side note
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we once were called to the principal's office cuz we had a band in high school and uh our buddies made a poster and
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they called us into the principal's office cuz they thought that the drawings were satanic now we didn't make
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those drawings but we didn't disapprove of those drawings either were we satanic
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kids no we were not we just happened to be in a band and we just you know whatever we thought it was creative well
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of course it raised a red flag for the the principal or vice principal or whoever called us down there and then
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then they notify parents and then parents have to to be concerned because here's the issue too you know and I
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understand Adam you know they found these drawings at school as well as at home MH uh which makes it you know that
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more troubling but in our situation it was I think my parents kind of reacted like well maybe I should treat this like
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it's some kind of big deal because the school thought it was a big deal they didn't they they saw it and really
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didn't didn't really didn't get it either yeah I don't think my father ever got why I was in a band now in Adam
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situation it's different it causes more of a red flag if you will because he has
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lack of social skills and lack of social life and he just doesn't even talk to anybody I mean he doesn't talk to his
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family he doesn't talk to his classmates he just doesn't talk period but to her benefit she seeks professional help for
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Adam yes she does and she ultimately ends up removing him from that situation it's reported by her friends that her
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complaint was she was so sick of hearing people tell her that Adam's just going to grow out of this situation but but
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again here that's where I kind of take a bit of problem with the situation because yeah all these maybe the
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teachers and the school counselors and this professional that you've sought out are telling you he will probably grow
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out of this if you're feeling that his needs are not being met maybe stick with it a little bit longer but what a scary
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situation to be in as a parent and maybe she had this gut intuition that maybe there was something a little more
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Sinister going on with her child around this same time Adam's parents well their
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marriage starts having problems and Peter and Nancy they would separate a couple of times before Nancy would file
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for divorce in 2008 uh Adam's temper tantrums are getting worse and this isn't example of one there's there's
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actually one day before school this is when Adam is in eth grade Adam is actually taken to the hospital due to an
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anxiety attack that he's experiencing this is primarily because of his SPD he was afraid of going to school and it's
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not because of the kids you know he wasn't afraid of going to school because he was bullied or because he wasn't
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performing well in school no he was afraid because of this disorder he was afraid of like loud noises and the
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crowded hallways the slamming doors the lockers the loud kids all of this was making it much harder for him to go to
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school or to navigate through the hallways in the classrooms yeah and I have a longtime friend that is an
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educator and his specialty is autistic kids or kids with aspergers and this is a common um symptom is that they really
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are Disturbed uh by loud noises and by a lot of commotion well on this one situation where he's taken to the
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hospital Nancy talks to the doctor and she wants to try to get a note from the doctor stating that Adam should be
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homeschooled she wants to keep him home for the remainder of his eighth grade year so that he can kind of settle in he
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can he can focus on schoolwork and not have to go to this place that's causing him this massive anxiety and a bit of
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trauma so to speak uh she wants to keep him home from eth grade before he enters
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high school but this does not end up happening she doesn't get a note from the from the hospital and she doesn't
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keep him home yeah and in hdand sight you wonder if this would have helped his disorder helped what he was going
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through um but I guess we'll never know and it's in eth grade that we start to see an increase in the troubles with
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Adam as well as the disorders that are preventing him from wanting to go to school well now that he's in high school
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you would think that you know the kids before weren't so there weren't necessarily mean but they weren't really
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attentive of him he was just kind of invisible the invisible kid but I wonder if that that bullying uh or being picked
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on ramped up much in high school well you're exactly right he is kind of the invisible kid it's we're going to see
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that same underlining sentence that we had said earlier where he's not he has picked on occasionally it's described as
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picked on occasionally but no one ever called it bullying my right my only problem with this though is this is
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coming from all outside sources right and so I had a really good friend in middle school that actually switch
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schools going into high school did not go to our high school he was picked on so much that his family everybody
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decided hey he's going to a different high school now I knew that because I was one of his best friends but people
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around didn't really understand well why is he not going to our high school and I'm going well you didn't understand how
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bad it was now the difference between my friend and Adam was my friend talked to
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his parents told counselors what was going on I wonder if in Adam's case there was a lot of bullying or being
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picked on and and some other things going on that just never were reported well you have you have two arguments
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here um Nancy would Nancy believed that he was being picked on that he was bullied where you have the school
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children and his peers saying that no that wasn't the case he just he we knew he was different uh he didn't fit in
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that's that's easy to see but he never tried with us he didn't want to talk to any of us he didn't want to have a
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relationship with any of the kids here and therefore I don't think any of the kids made an effort on their end either
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well Nancy wasn't helping out Adam at all with giving him that Lloyd Christmas haircut it's strange that you say that
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because there's actually a story by the the man that cut his hair for years and he described the situation as strange
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because you know you go to a barber shop or you go to get your hair cut and it's
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usually a place where the the person cutting your hair is trying to make small talk with you and usually it make
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talk back and sometimes it it Sparks up conversations and whatnot this was not the situation for Adam or for Nancy and
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I and I bring ny's name into this because the man specifically says that on every time that Adam went to get his
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hair cut he was he was with his mother his mother would come in and basically tell Adam where to go to sit down uh
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Adam would go to the the barber chair and rather than you know the barber says I constantly try to to make jokes or to
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talk about things that were going on to spark up conversation with the boy yeah try to ease his mind when he put that
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metal bow on his head to give him the haircut and and I think a lot of that too is that you know these Barbers
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usually are are are people people people person yeah and he probably saw that there there was some anxiety with this
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young man and he was trying to make ease the ease the trip for him but he said that Adam would just stare at the tiled
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floor and it was it was strange that the boy never really interacted with any body at the shop there it was all of his
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mom kind of telling him where to go okay Adam we're done now let's leave um you know like I said a bit of that
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helicopter mom again I think the whole uh hindrance you know hindsight of the whole thing is maybe she was enabling
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him too much and holding his hand too much and not not enabling him to grow mhm and you worry that that might have
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been the situation had she been successful taking him out of eighth grade maybe sometimes sometimes these
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fears we have to face them to to overcome them um once Adam starts High School uh they started off by they put
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together a plan to kind of ease him into the school uh this plan was devised by Nancy working with the school and the
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school's officials he started off the year in a private setting and once he got used to the new school to the high
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school he was slowly introduced into the traditional classes with other kids and
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he was taking a lot of honors classes again even though he had these disorders he was not he was not a dumb kid you
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know he was he was bright and he he excelled at academics and oddly enough um Adam seems like a little bit of a
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cartoon character yeah his peers in the school officials would later recall that
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Adam wore the same outfit to school every day he wore baggy khaki pants and the same blue polo shirt and he carried
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a briefcase uh and I wonder if it's not the actual same Polo or if it was was just like we have multiple of the same
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outfit but maybe Adam didn't really give a [ __ ] so then his parents were like you
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know what we'll just you kind of give him a uniform yeah I don't think that you know he he's not communicating well
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with anybody I don't know that he's able to communicate or desires to communicate
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to his parents what he wants to wear to school so maybe they just buy some things that he seems comfortable with
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but yeah he could have created his own uniform wearing that same blue polo shirt and khaki pants the weird thing
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about the briefcase first of all that's a strange thing to carry in high school uh but the thing about this too is a lot
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of people when they saw the briefcase opened they said it was practically empty so it seemed even more strange
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that he would carry this briefcase it sounds to me there's a lot of accounts that when he was trying to navigate
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through those hallways that he was using the briefcase as kind of a buffer between him and the other kids that he
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would typically walk right on the edge of the hallway right up against the wall and keep that briefcase either right out
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in front of him or to the side of him that would kind of block him from the other children yeah well with the
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Asbergers it would you know that makes a lot of sense because he does not want to
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be touched most uh people with Asbergers have a real issue with personal space and it was not uncommon for Adam to
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require an escort to help him navigate through the hallways of the high school and we'll get right back to the case
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2023 cheers everybody where we left off Adam Lanza was entering High School his mother is concerned Nancy is concerned
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with his uh mental state and kind of what's going on in his head and she's having a very difficult time
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communicating with Adam yeah and at the start of his sophomore year uh we do see
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a little bit of progress uh from from Adam as far as the social aspects concerned uh he surprises everybody and
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he signs up for an after school program uh this is one of those AV Tech clubs uh
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where he is the he's video recording the school's foot basketball games um so what we're seeing here Captain I believe
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is that we have this Young Troubled Man right this this boy who has trouble fitting in and he doesn't want to be at
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school because of his anxieties and his disorders however he's very smart and I think that when he's starting to see
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classes that challenge him a little more that he's able to dive into that and this might Peak his interest and he's
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coming out of his shell a bit here uh he's he's in a way opening up and like we said a lot of his classes at this
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point are honor classes yeah and he's taking things that seem a little little more fun to him like shop class and then
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he's involved in this AV tech club um he does trade in the blue polo shirt uh for
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a green one and he will wear that shirt for the remainder of his sophomore year uh he does lose the briefcase and he he
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gets a more traditional bag m uh that you would be used to seeing um yeah I always Rock the two straps it's around
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this time that Nancy starts adding to her collection she's purchasing more guns more Firearms again she is
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encouraging her son's hobby of target shooting because other than this AV tech club he Adam still doesn't have any
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hobbies other than video games and target shooting uh It is believed that she kept some of the guns for herself
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but that she also gave some of the guns to ad now this has been a topic of of discussion quite a bit that that were
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the guns you know the guns were obviously hers and maybe she should have kept them locked up better but there's
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plenty of evidence here that we will see going forward that these guns were purchased for Adam mhm now remember we
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have this divorce that the parents and the family have just gone through recently and it's Adam's classmates that
00:30:53
say that Adam was greatly affected by his parents divorce and that while he did not talk to most of the other kids
00:31:00
he did seem to write about the separation often mhm in September of 2009 Adam starts playing and becomes
00:31:07
obsessed with a video game called combat arms this is a multi-player game it's a
00:31:13
modern style firstperson shooter game the player is in control of a gun and the object of this game is to kill the
00:31:21
most enemy players in this game there is a form of gam playay where whomever kill
00:31:27
KS the most players in the shortest amount of time is the winner and you can also increase your kill number by
00:31:34
killing yourself this situation is quite different from real life obviously in the game world he would fit in he would
00:31:41
fit in you know they would have these forums and these groups that you could talk to he was accepted into these
00:31:47
groups where he would discuss game strategies and occasionally joke around uh Adam creates an online and gaming
00:31:55
Persona in which he calls himself self cane breed this becomes a positive social experience for Adam yeah for I
00:32:03
think a lot of parents you might go well this is a little odd but the fact I mean
00:32:08
the fact that he is talking to anybody or he's excited about anything that he is social with uh that's a positive step
00:32:17
in the right direction and it's probably because of these games that he's playing
00:32:21
but he's also having an increasing military Obsession and fascination Adam also becomes involved in an online
00:32:29
community for gun enthusiast uh he knows his stuff too from from his interactions
00:32:35
on this form again he fits in very well and he's knowledgeable about Firearms yeah and what we're also seeing with
00:32:41
Adam is that he's not very good with social situations but it seems like when he's behind a computer screen or a TV
00:32:49
screen when he's playing these games that he's kind of excelling more so than he ever has as far as the social
00:32:57
communication and it seems like he's definitely willing to yeah he's fitting in and he's reaching out to other people
00:33:03
and communicating with them I do want to point out that this you know I mentioned
00:33:07
the game combat arms that this is only one of many games that Adam was playing uh most of these games were very violent
00:33:15
games yeah I've never actually heard of that game before I had not either so I and I don't know where to like rank
00:33:22
these games as far as violence go it sounds to me like all of them were pretty violent one of the games that was
00:33:27
playing is a situation where the shooter was even killing women and children in the game yeah which is awful but in this
00:33:34
case in this conversation if you will the big conversation always is with these violent g games are kids more
00:33:42
likely to commit violent acts I don't personally have an answer or a stance on that I don't have an answer either and I
00:33:49
don't want anybody saying well Nick saying take away the violent video games because I think there there is a place
00:33:54
for them uh but one thing that we see see time and time again in these situations where you have a mass shooter
00:34:01
especially one that's a younger person that we are seeing a common it's a common occurrence that these guys are
00:34:08
playing violent video games and I say guys because almost all of these crimes are committed by young males right but
00:34:15
then the question becomes did the violent game you know in you know did the violent game cause the person to
00:34:21
become more violent or was this person already a sociopath or psychopath and they were drawn to the violent games I
00:34:29
think each situation is probably different um I don't think that we can say that it's the violent video games
00:34:35
100% I do think that what it does do though is that it desensitizes them you know when you're logging 500 hour you
00:34:43
know there there was one of these games I'm not sure if it was the combat arms game or not but we talked about how
00:34:48
violent that game is but there was one of these violent games that Adam had logged over over 500 uh times that he
00:34:55
had played the game I think in defense of his mother on this I mean Adam is in honor you know in honor programs and
00:35:03
he's doing well in school academically not socially and his only social Avenue are these games so maybe she thought
00:35:12
this was you know this would help his uh social skills outside you know in the real world and not just the virtual
00:35:18
world well is it kind of an easy way of being a parent that when you have a son that likes to lock himself in the
00:35:24
basement and he's taped off off all the windows so that he remember he likes to be in the dark he prefers to be in the
00:35:31
dark is it an easy way to be a parent when when you're your troubled son just goes off into the basement for hours
00:35:37
upon hours and you don't have to deal with him you don't have to put up with the temper tantrums because he's happy
00:35:43
he's entertaining himself and you're not really fully aware nor seem to care what
00:35:49
he does in that room because you know he's safe and you know that he's he's entertained and he's not disturbing you
00:35:56
well and in nany's defense I mean you have a child that has a lot more challenges faces probably more
00:36:02
challenges than the typical kid um but we see this time and time again with just typical kids you know the parents
00:36:09
just go oh well you're on a phone or you're on an iPad or whatever do you know who cares if it's healthy for you
00:36:16
uh I just don't have to deal with you right now I do think though that it again it desensitizes these kids to that
00:36:22
certain level of violence even though it's just onscreen violence uh but again if he's if he's logging over 500 games
00:36:29
on this one particular game that's thousands upon thousands of hours spending watching those violent images
00:36:36
over and over again and we do know from studies that if if a kid is young enough
00:36:41
that they almost cannot separate the the the reality you know real life reality from what they're seeing on the screen
00:36:49
and I right and I don't know much I don't know a lot about Asbergers but I've also heard that you know they can
00:36:55
get hyperfocused on something and so do you really want your kid that can get super hyperfocused on something to be
00:37:02
hyperfocused on killing people or you know what I mean or or violence in general well it's around the same time
00:37:10
that the Adam would start to spend countless hours studying Mass Killers online he spent about seven months or so
00:37:19
just collecting information on these killers to the point where he was an expert on mass murders to the point
00:37:25
where he was going on to Wikipedia and he was correcting entries you know if people had put wrong dates on there he
00:37:33
would go in and correct them if somebody had put you know names of locations were
00:37:37
wrong but most of the time he was correcting the weapons that were used or descriptions of those weapons that were
00:37:44
used in those attacks yeah and at this point Lloyd Christmas is getting pretty creepy right and I think at this point I
00:37:51
can put point a finger at Nancy on the idea of if your kid that is hyperfocused on mass murders and going on Wikipedia
00:38:01
and changing dates and stuff this is something you should be aware of you're right yeah or or at least have a hint of
00:38:07
it right right if you're if he's spending hours and months on this project that he's created but well but
00:38:15
okay I'm going to play devil's advocate for myself okay but if he's not communicating it makes it tough how
00:38:22
would she know I mean you'd have to go the extra step and look at you know look here's a I'm not a parent but I think
00:38:29
all parents should do this I I was a parent for a time I was a stepfather and kids had cell phones and iPads but at
00:38:38
any time I would just go let me see your phone like they might be laughing a little too hard and I just go let me see
00:38:46
your phone and if they didn't want to give me their phone that phone was taken away for a week but it was constantly
00:38:52
checking their you know not constantly but you know just double- checking what is is their uh what are they searching
00:38:58
on the internet yeah and I and and I like these households where you see parents saying you know there's not a
00:39:04
closed door in this house this is an Open Door House you know that we're not going to hide behind closed doors so
00:39:10
that way everybody in the household kind of knows what's going on with the children I I do understand the older
00:39:16
that these kids get that gets a little tougher they do deserve some privacy well and it's harder in this community
00:39:22
as well because these houses were larger yeah so it wasn't like you know the shoe
00:39:28
boxes we live in I mean these were houses that you know a person over here you know on one side of the house and
00:39:35
the person on the other side of the house might not even hear each other not only larger but emptier I mean as Adam
00:39:41
has gotten older you know the parents get divorced the father moves away uh Ryan's four years older than him he
00:39:48
moves away as well uh that the house is big and it's and it's empty mhm you know
00:39:54
internet search is a side there's a lot lot of items that Adam had that his mother should have found well we talked
00:40:00
about him researching these Mass killers and wanting to know everything about them but he also kind of had some kind
00:40:07
of like memorabilia of them where he he had newspaper clippings and stories that
00:40:12
he had printed from the internet regarding these different Mass Shooters so those were would be physical items
00:40:19
that his mother could have found now one of the most disturbing probably the most
00:40:23
disturbing item that that we know of is a spreadsheet that he created now I'm not certain that this was a physical
00:40:31
spreadsheet I don't know that he actually printed this off and referenced it right but we do know that it was an
00:40:37
at least an electronic thing that he had stored on his computer now what was this
00:40:42
spreadsheet this was he had he had listed several hundreds of mass Shooters and just just to hear that sentence
00:40:49
alone is terrifying to remind yourself that there's been hundreds of these situations right but he had list listed
00:40:56
several hundreds of these Mass Shooters and created this spreadsheet that has been reported to have been approximately
00:41:05
7 foot long in length yeah so we don't know if it was actual physical or if it was digital but if you did print it then
00:41:12
it' be 7 foot in length you're right and it would be approximately 4 foot wide Jesus so this is a massive uh collection
00:41:20
of data here and this this appeared to be Adam had ranked them from you know number one to whatever however many
00:41:31
hundreds of these people he had researched but it seemed to be mostly based off of who had had the most kills
00:41:39
or created the most dramatic situation um you know so we we have that's some pretty extensive research there Captain
00:41:48
um some serious time that he spent diving into these these other people that that are creating Havoc yeah and
00:41:55
frankly this is becoming a lot more disturbing after some faculty changes at the high school Nancy started not to
00:42:02
believe that Adam's needs were being met remember we talked about when he started
00:42:07
his freshman year he she had worked with some school officials so that he could start off in a private setting yeah and
00:42:13
he could work his way into the general population of the school um one of those faculty members or I I don't know
00:42:20
exactly who she worked with to be honest with you but they were no longer there at the school as as the years G by and
00:42:27
at some point she feels that there are not there's nobody there that understands Adam that understands his
00:42:33
disorders and or his needs right she doesn't have an ally in the fight anymore correct so this would be uh his
00:42:41
junior year just after his junior year Nancy decides to take Adam out of New Town High School uh and it's it's
00:42:49
reported by people at the school that that Nancy seemed to be angry with the school but Adam also seemed to be angry
00:42:55
with the school because of this because he was leaving this place even though he
00:43:00
had this anxiety about going there we did see some progress while he was in high school and like you said you know
00:43:07
it's supposed to be a place that you look back on that that's of good memories um even though he had this
00:43:14
anxiety we don't know that maybe he didn't have good memories there you talk about a boy that that it his family's
00:43:21
moving away it's just him and his mother in a house other than violent video games and research about violent
00:43:28
criminals that maybe his only social interaction outside of those four walls was the school maybe the only thing he
00:43:37
was leaving the house for was to go to school I mean other than the shooting range and to go rent some video games
00:43:43
well and I wonder also at this point he was playing video games online um assuming and being in part of that
00:43:50
Community sometimes kids you know will find a couple buddies at school that also play so maybe had a couple people
00:43:57
that maybe just even said hi to him and maybe that was enough for him to enjoy that experience at school you're right
00:44:03
it could be a bit of a common ground give him something to talk to other kids about um so after high school after he's
00:44:10
taken out of high school of his junior year uh Adam is enrolled in Western Connecticut State University Nancy
00:44:17
believed that he would do better in a more adult environment where there would be less chaos um and well I feel for her
00:44:25
too because that at some point you're grasping at straws right yeah I don't the thing is what we're seeing is we're
00:44:32
seeing a a mother that cares she absolutely cares it's just she doesn't know what to do and I and I don't know
00:44:40
that every that most of us would know what to do in the situation but we're seeing her try some different things to
00:44:48
me I just question if she could have received a little more information from the people around her on on ways to cope
00:44:56
with this and to deal with this um I don't know that her answers were always the best and I know that I'm sitting in
00:45:03
a seat where I'm able to look back after this terrible tragedy and and go well she didn't she didn't do the right thing
00:45:10
did did Nancy love Adam yes 100% we see we see that we see a mother giving a lot
00:45:16
of effort here but uh you know we we also know that effort doesn't always take place of intelligence or or
00:45:24
informative decisions right and and I think sometimes uh we'll never know but I think sometimes people are lost causes
00:45:34
you know it's like you know the whole what came first to the chicken or the egg we don't know but I mean possibly in
00:45:41
this case he just had these Demons Inside him from the beginning yeah there's also some question with Adam
00:45:47
about on top of these disorders did he have any kind of anorexia um you know because he is a
00:45:53
very thin very thin young man MH um and so there there's been a lot of question about that I've heard different accounts
00:46:03
couldn't really put my thumb down on it if that was the actual case but I know that his size and his stature also led
00:46:10
her to believe that that he would be a even more so a target of bullying yeah I think when you see pictures of him and
00:46:17
some of the famous pictures of him you know he looks I mean he was 20 years old at the time of the attack he doesn't
00:46:26
look 20 at all no he looks almost 12 yeah and his his bone structure and his face is very prominent and and he almost
00:46:35
looks malnourished very pale uh but again we said he preferred the dark and and and you know we know he was in the
00:46:41
basement constantly at home with the with the windows taped up so that there was no light coming in yeah and then a
00:46:47
lot of these kids that get super focused on whether it's iPad or or video games or whatever it is that they lose track
00:46:55
of time and they they don't you know they forget to eat or they don't even care to eat academically he had no
00:47:02
problem with high school um and intelligence wise he had no problem with handling the classes or or the the
00:47:09
school um it's just I just really wonder here if that's the right thing to do to
00:47:16
remove a kid from high school and then place them in an adult setting in an adult environment such as a as a
00:47:22
community college yeah in all fairness though I mean you know I school is not a huge step up you know going from high
00:47:29
school to college is not a huge step up so it's not like you know he would have been a senior the following year so he
00:47:35
only stepped up one year in advance he did take seven classes uh when he was at Western Connecticut State University uh
00:47:44
receiving a 3.28 grade average um so again academics is not a problem for this young man um in 2010 Adam's Father
00:47:54
Peter now let's talk about their divorce for a little bit okay Peter we had said
00:47:59
was very successful worked for General Electric uh was a vice president he he made approximately like half a million
00:48:06
dollars oh good for him well in the divorce uh how did you say that dores yeah Nancy received a lot of alimony or
00:48:16
a lot of child support right um but it was also agreed upon the two that they both understood that Adam had plenty of
00:48:26
issues needs and Peter understood that Adam needed to be cared for practically 247 even even as a young man and
00:48:37
probably as an adult as well and so he understood that his son that nobody could go off and work a full-time job
00:48:44
and care for him at the same time so I don't think that Peter fought any of anything that was decided in the divorce
00:48:51
he it was agreed upon that he he gave almost half of his salary to Nancy so that Nancy could stay home provide for
00:48:58
Adam and take care of him yeah and that's good on Peter right and and again this was not only for the time that Adam
00:49:05
was a child but as an adult as well Nancy would receive this amount of money for the rest of her life with steady
00:49:12
increases annually as well um so money is not the problem money is definitely not the problem but what is also decided
00:49:20
is that Nancy would have primary custody of the kids mhm and but Peter's going to
00:49:26
spend regular time with the children as far as visits go you know how these things work you take them on the
00:49:31
weekends or for holidays uh try to take the kids places so he's spending an ample amount of time with both of his
00:49:38
sons uh it's in 2010 that Adam's Father Peter begins dating again or at least to the point
00:49:46
that it's serious enough for Adam to recognize this and at this time Adam decides to stop seeing and communicating
00:49:53
with his father at the same time he also decides to do the same with his brother
00:49:59
as well as an uncle that he was close to Growing Up also in 2010 Adam receives his driver's license uh but again the
00:50:07
only places he's really interested in going to would be the shooting range and the video game store uh he also drops
00:50:14
out of school at this time he stops going to college so 2010 there's a there's a lot of things happening here
00:50:22
right uh we we see we see a boy that's taken of high school he goes into the college situation for one year and then
00:50:30
he shortly after that he's dropped communication with his father his brother his uncle collects his driver's
00:50:38
license practically just staying at home might as well not have a license at all
00:50:42
with the exception though it should be noted though he was going to the shooting range on occasions by himself
00:50:48
at this point once he had the dri's license um but then dropping out of college ultimately one could assume that
00:50:54
he's going to the driving range with his own guns as well but right of course you
00:50:59
mean the shooting range he's not going to the driving range and scaring the hell out of the golfers with his own
00:51:04
guns let's fast forward in time just a little bit to 2012 yeah Nancy Lanza starts getting out
00:51:11
of the house more we have to think about this situation here we have a we have this troubled child and it's probably
00:51:16
caused her obviously a lot of stress uh on her life and her situation and in 2012 she she developed some more
00:51:24
friendships with some of the locals she starts going to a local pizza place for a beer or two during happy hour a few
00:51:31
times a week um some of the information that we would later find out about the relationship between Nancy and Adam
00:51:39
would be from some of these friends that she created at at this happy hour yeah everybody needs somebody to vent to and
00:51:46
what better but what better way to vent than with some pizza and beer well she also starts going on overnight trips
00:51:53
with friends from time to time as well you know it Adam is very much an adult and even though he doesn't have any
00:51:59
hobbies or anything other than locking himself in the basement and playing violent video games he's fine with
00:52:05
inside of those four walls he's able to care for himself and she goes on these overnight trips I believe she went on a
00:52:12
dozen or so in uh the year of 2012 um remember we talked about Adam having this growing obsession with the
00:52:22
military well he had he wanted to become a marine and this was something that he
00:52:27
was only really being vocal about with his mother and he had posters all over the walls in the basement of different
00:52:35
combat situations you know things like tanks and aircraft carriers and things that you would heavy machinery that you
00:52:42
would see in the armed forces um at some point Nancy has to have a long talk with
00:52:49
Adam and explain to him that he's never going to be a marine um this obviously because of his disorders he could never
00:52:58
be a marine he I mean you're talking about a kid that had trouble leaving the home a person that had trouble going to
00:53:05
school which I have some uh trouble with because I think on some level she could
00:53:10
say well look you know we get you into some counseling and there are certain things that may you know maybe set it as
00:53:17
a goal maybe he won't reach that goal but it gives him something to kind of get out of bed get out of the basement
00:53:23
try to do something productive with his life she would also tell friends that she's hanging out with that Adam's time
00:53:29
in front of the computer screen or in front of a video game screen seems to be increasing now that he has less
00:53:35
responsibilities or obligations and he also seems to be turning away from her as well uh maybe this is just him
00:53:44
getting older or maybe this does have to do with his time spent with these video
00:53:48
games yeah or maybe like I said I I I believe on some level she has this Mother's intuition and maybe that she
00:53:56
knows that there's something more Sinister going on here Adam is 20 now and Nancy is still finding disturbing
00:54:03
drawings in his possession you know this thing that that all the experts the people at the school had told her he
00:54:10
would probably grow out of well now he's 20 he's a young man he's not a boy anymore and she's still finding these
00:54:17
disturbing drawings one of them and and these are drawings that he these are sketches he's making one such sketch is
00:54:23
of a woman holding a rosary and she is shot she's being shot by Machine Gun fire okay another one is an open field
00:54:32
and in the open field lie mutilated bodies of children scattered throughout the field their faces are so bloodied
00:54:40
that you couldn't discern any of their features yeah at this point this guy really needs to be seeking professional
00:54:46
help and there is also a drawing of a what appears to be a younger Adam with a with blood pouring from his forehead and
00:54:55
his arms are held up into the sky it's like a almost like a suicide picture that he's thrown of himself yeah and
00:55:02
Lloyd Christmas just keeps getting creepier and creepier well we had the talk about her explaining to Adam that
00:55:08
he couldn't become a Marine uh here's some added stress though to the situation because now Nancy starts
00:55:15
discussing the idea of moving to another state with Adam um and the plan was to move to Washington state which is quite
00:55:23
a bit of ways from connetic is this for a romantic no I I don't know the reasons
00:55:29
for the moving but it doesn't sound like she had developed any type of relationship that would have taken her
00:55:35
there um but but Adam was to go with her um so so that family portion would not be disrupted it would just be
00:55:43
transplanted um again Adam at first he seems pretty hip to the idea of moving but as it becomes closer to you know the
00:55:53
goal of moving and as these talks become more and more serious Adam starts to shut down even more now he now we're
00:56:00
seeing the opposite reaction from him he's not liking the idea of moving uh Nancy was planning on moving with Adam
00:56:07
to Washington State this probably would have taken place sometime in 2013 uh but also the other thing here
00:56:15
too that that has not been well reported in my opinion was that by this time nany's health is really starting to fail
00:56:22
her as well um this again is probably a lot of this is probably just due to stress yeah cuz she's only 52 years of
00:56:31
of age you know and a lot of her friends seem to think that she she appeared to be healthy but she did have some uh she
00:56:38
had some hidden health problems uh that that were coming about and really starting to take their toll on her uh as
00:56:46
she was still trying to care for her now adult son yeah and before we get to December of 2012 uh tell me again about
00:56:55
nany's Dream well this was a situation that happened this is something she told her friend about uh in September of 2012
00:57:03
that she had had a dream about Adam that she she in the dream she was outside with Adam they were enjoying like a
00:57:10
beautiful day right when all of a sudden a large gust of wind comes and it starts
00:57:15
to slowly lift Adam up into the air now Nancy runs over and grabs Adam's legs and she's trying to hold on to him but
00:57:24
the pull just starts to get stronger and stronger and then she loses her grip on her son
00:57:31
and Adam slowly lifts up into the air higher and higher into the sky Nancy watches Adam get smaller and smaller as
00:57:39
he gets further and further from him to the point where she cannot see him any longer it's kind a crazy dream when you
00:57:47
think about how involved she had to be and being that helicopter mom and always watching over him and even when she
00:57:54
couldn't be there trying to make sure others were watching out for him as well and as he's growing older you know this
00:58:01
this is the dream that she has that that at some point he's a man and on top of that if her health gets
00:58:07
worse who's going to be around to to watch after him well and maybe some kind of metaphor for the fact that he was
00:58:14
withdrawing anyways or like I said and what I've been saying from the get-go I I really believe that she had a gut
00:58:22
feeling uh uh about her and and and a a gut feeling that she didn't want to have well what should
00:58:30
have happened here Captain is that gut feeling you got to use that and talk to some other people again I my complaint
00:58:38
here is not that Nancy didn't care for Adam I think she cared for him an unbelievable amount um I just don't
00:58:45
think that she even though she thought she did I don't think she knew what was best for him well thank you Captain
00:58:51
Obvious I also want to talk about a few other things that were taking place leading up to December 2012 mhm so Nancy
00:59:00
these are all things that Nancy had told friends of hers um now keep in mind we the neighbors would describe Nancy and
00:59:08
AD Adam as kind of like ghost like they were just not there you know this was a community where people went out and they
00:59:15
spoke to their neighbors and they did things in the community well Adam we know obviously didn't do that and other
00:59:21
than some friendships that that Nancy had we don't see a lot of that either and a lot of that's probably her being
00:59:27
home with her son caring for for her son yeah or just the extra stress of it um but she would tell friends that leading
00:59:36
up this is just a couple weeks before uh the event took place that she had had an
00:59:43
experience with Adam that this was he was not leaving the home by this point 3 months before December he was basically
00:59:51
on lockdown and he had locked himself up and he not leaving the house self locked
00:59:56
down right he he's not going to the video game store he's not going to the shooting range anymore he's not going to
01:00:02
the driving range either yeah he's not doing anything with this driver's license and things got so strange that
01:00:09
he at some point started only communicating with his mother through email they live in the same in the same
01:00:16
home the two of them are in the same home and he's only communicating with her through email now one thing that
01:00:24
happened too was that Nancy was planning a you know we talked about these overnight trips that she started to do
01:00:30
well those were just that just over one night they were just short trips well late that year she was planning to take
01:00:37
a much longer trip she wanted to go to London and this would be a bit of a household experiment if you will this
01:00:45
would be a point for her to go off and have some Leisure Time and get away from the stresses of home and to see if Adam
01:00:53
could handle himself for more than one night on his own yeah cuz normally at this point as a parent you know your
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your child is 20 years old sometimes moves away to go to college or if they're still living at home they're in
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school they probably have a job they're just not around the house that much and it becomes back it gets back to me time
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right and she doesn't have that luxury now Adam bumps his head she reports this to some of her friends that there's some
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kind of accident in the home and she she states that he bumped his head pretty badly and he was taking it very badly as
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well so he's he's injured somehow we don't know the details of this but for whatever reason and it's probably this
01:01:37
situation she states that she canell her London trip and simply just states to friends that it's because of things
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going on at home that she's no longer going to go on this London trip and I'm sure she's talking to Adam about this
01:01:51
trip so maybe you know maybe it's this elabor plan cuz he doesn't want her to leave mhm and she I mean she's really
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backed in a corner here right I mean she he's no longer communicating with his father and or brother or uncle and now
01:02:07
he's only communicating with you through email yeah and now you can't go somewhere you can't take this trip
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because he he probably does need somebody to look after him he might not be able to handle uh being alone for
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that amount of time right but there's also there's probably something going on through her head right nany's head MH
01:02:26
he's 20 years old she wants to she wants to get on with her life she wants to have a life right I wonder at
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this point it's she going okay well now am I because he's my son am I am I locked down forever am I you know
01:02:44
handicapped by his handicaps basically um it's really tough spot for her to be in yeah and she can't get the father
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involved she can't push Adam off onto the father to to get away for a week because he's broken communication with
01:03:00
him and and now only communicating through to you through email if you if you attempt something like that he might
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break off communication with you as well and might be lost completely oh yeah right right this brings us to Friday
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December 14th 2012 MH now sometime between or sometime before 9:30 that morning Adam got up and he's planning
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something and he's doing some things in the house we're a little unclear of what
01:03:28
those movements are and we'll come to those later however what we do know that takes place that morning before 9:30 is
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that Nancy at only 15 52 years of age she's shot dead MH and this is the situation she's found in her bed still
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wearing her pajamas she's lying on her back and she's shot four times in the head with a 22 caliber Savage
01:03:56
mk2f bolt action rifle mhm now she's shot at such a close distance that they are almost certain that the barrel of
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the gun would have been touching her head meaning that even if she was still asleep when this took place she probably
01:04:16
there was probably enough time that from the time that it was pointed to her head
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that she may have opened her eyes just in time to see her son shoting her right um the hopefully not she was shot so
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badly and at such a close range four times that it almost took off her head uh to to to put it you know bluntly yeah
01:04:37
obviously we don't we don't fully know if he took her hostage for any length of time or if she was aware of what was
01:04:44
going on all we can go off of is the evidence that we see afterwards and that of her being in her bed still in her
01:04:50
pajamas so it is assumed that she was probably attacked act in her sleep that morning mhm this all took place uh just
01:04:59
before 9:30 and right afterwards uh if if he killed her at 9:30 then immediately afterwards he got into her
01:05:08
car and he drove away and the problem with covering these shows or these cases is we all know what is next and that's
01:05:18
what we're going to dive into tomorrow cuz I I I just can't do yeah I think it's been enough for one day well it's
01:05:26
been enough for the whole week you know I you I can't iterate as we we put cases
01:05:32
on there then you dive in and it physically affects you and it's and and this one uh more so than anything
01:05:40
watching the documentary uh new town which you know at the end of it has it has no informational value really other
01:05:50
than the pain and the suffering that these families go through and but we you know we sign up to do a
01:05:57
show every week on True Crime and we it was too almost too late to back out yeah
01:06:04
um but just for anybody that's concerned about listening tomorrow we will be um as respectful as we can and and very
01:06:15
aware of you know we don't want to cause anybody emotional uh Trauma from listening to The Show by any means if
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01:06:31
that right or anything we want to be respectful to the victims and the victim's family on a lighter note I do
01:06:38
have some recommended reading for today um this week recommending the spider in the fly by Claudia row uh in this superb
01:06:47
work of literature True Crime a uh spellbinding combination of a memoir and a psychologic iCal suspense we have a
01:06:55
situation where we have a female journalist who Chronicles her unusual connection with a con convicted serial
01:07:03
killer and her search to understand the darkness inside of him and what might lie inside of all of us now I'm
01:07:11
recommending this one not only because it's a fantastic book but because last week I misspoke when we were talking
01:07:18
about the National Force serial killer oh you or me Miss speak never happens I last week I was referring to a uh
01:07:28
another serial killer and I call I said Joseph fris and his actual name is Kendall franois and I was actually just
01:07:35
going off of off of my poor memory there but uh this book is about uh the journalist having a relationship with
01:07:44
Kendall Francois that serial killer that I talked about briefly in our last episode was it just a friendship or was
01:07:49
it sexual no no no she she was a journalist and she was uh reporting on his story once he was already in prison
01:07:58
so she went to meet with him on multiple occasions now she's a young attractive journalist so this is very kind of
01:08:05
Silence of the lambish you know where you have the young woman meeting with the the the psychopath yeah and there I
01:08:12
want to read a little quick caption from the book to you uh it goes like this well well Claudia can I call you Claudia
01:08:20
I have to give it to you when confronted at least you're honest as honest as any
01:08:26
reporter you want to go into the depths of my mind and into my past I want to peek into yours it's only fair isn't it
01:08:36
and that was by the serial killer Kendall Fran W that and that really comes off as that Silence of the Lambs
01:08:42
type feel yeah so check out the spider in the fly by Claudia row and you can do that by going to our website we have a
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