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business everybody gather round grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime the family of McKenzie looook has
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issued a statement the police are also providing new details about the last time the University of Utah senior was
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seen Fox 13 CeMAT McDonald is live at hatch Park in North Salt Lake tonight to explain Matt what can you tell us well I
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can tell you this hatch park behind me is where McKenzie Luwak asked to be taken and was dropped off by her lyft
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driver one week ago tonight now after looking at surveillance video from the area and talking to that lyft driver
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police believe she met someone there at 3 o'clock in the morning 1:35 a.m. June 17th Luke's flight arrives in Salt Lake
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City she'd been in California for a family funeral early Monday morning the 17th of
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June when she texted her mother at 2:01 a.m. mountain time for more than an hour she remained at
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the airport where surveillance cameras are everywhere we reviewed that tape and we have we are now we're not gonna
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release that right now at 2:42 a.m. McKenzie got into a lyft car at 259 in the morning she arrived at a requested
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destination hatch Park in North Salt Lake detectives have spoken with the lyft driver and learned that McKenzie
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was met at hatch park by an individual in a vehicle police believe she met with the person
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at the park willingly the make of the model of the car has not been determined from here
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McKenzie disappeared does McKenzie have an alternate phone that she is used or is using who did McKenzie meet in North
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Salt Lake City does McKenzie have any social media accounts we don't know about what more question police are
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trying to answer does she want to be found she has no obligation to call the police
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department or anyone else and say here's where I went Chris Burbank is a former Salt Lake City
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police chief he says police are doing the right thing calling looook missing but not necessarily in danger in this
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circumstance it would certainly be tragic if this young woman is in fact in danger and we didn't do enough late this
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afternoon the Loic family issued a statement it reads in part our primary goal is to find McKenzie and bring her
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home her family is grateful for the concern prayers and the tireless efforts of the Salt Lake City police and members
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of the community Salt Lake City police have said a dedicated tip line just for this case you can find that phone number
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on our website matt mattox 13 News Utah Matt thank you as we just mentioned McKenzie looook is a senior at the
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University of Utah a spokesperson for the school says the U is deeply concerned about her well-being the dean
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of students at the university has been in contact with her parents and has expressed you know our our desired says
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to the campus community for her safe return and offering whatever support we can
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Nelson went on to say the university is cooperating with police the school is also offering counseling to students and
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staff who may need someone to talk to in the trailer there that is fox news 13 out of utah this story was and remains
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big news this is the missing-persons case of McKenzie looook and as you heard they're just after one week detectives
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in Salt Lake have what looks to be some promising leads and an interesting timeline McKenzie looook was born in El
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Segundo California in 1995 she grew up there with three brothers and her parents are Greg and Diana looook she
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attended El Segundo High School and played on the water polo team after high school she went off to the University of
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Utah where she studied nursing and other studies she's a member of the Alpha Chi
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Omega sorority she worked for some time at a Starbucks and then at another coffee shop but per her LinkedIn account
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she more recently was working at P R a Health Sciences lab in Mill Creek Utah even though she was living in another
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state and busy with her studies and worked she maintained a very close relationship with her parents and both
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sets of grandparents sadly last month funeral services were held in California for Mackenzie's grandmother for this she
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flew home after a brief stay she returned to Utah the night of June 16th she took a red-eye flight from Los
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Angeles to Salt Lake City arriving in Salt Lake at 1:35 a.m. in Salt Lake she texts her mother at 2:01
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a.m. letting her know that she arrived safely she waited to collect her luggage from the baggage claim and then using
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the lyft app she scheduled a ride to pick her up at the airport there are security cameras everywhere in the
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airport and she can be seen texting waiting on her bags and walking through the airport at no time is she
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seen talking to anyone the lift vehicle picks her up at the airport at 242 now we know 23 year old McKenzie looook
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is later reported as missing and unfortunately this is really starting to sound like a terrible terrible tragedy
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like so many stories that we have heard before you know recent stories of young women getting into a vehicle from a car
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service and then going missing you know we've seen this movie before and unfortunately we know how it's going to
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end in the ending is a bad one but very quickly we can move on from that theory because we get news that the Salt Lake
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City PD they start looking into Mackenzie's life and her internet and social media activity digital detectives
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sifting through data we learn a few very very important key elements to this case
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one law enforcement they know who the lyft driver is and they speak with this driver and two there is evidence to
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suggest that Mackenzie was delivered by the lyft driver to a location of her choosing and arrived at this location
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unharmed would have that data from the lyft driver to let us know where her final destination was mmhmm yeah so from
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the information collected through her phone and the lyft app and the eyewitness statements given to police
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from the lyft driver here is what we learn Mackenzie did not schedule for the car service to take her home she
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requested a drop-off at hatch Park this is this location is in North Salt Lake City and located 20 minutes from
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Mackenzie's home which is near Trolley Square she arrived at hatch Park at 2:59 a.m. the lyft driver says Mackenzie was
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very obviously she was meeting someone there right now as far as I could find the lyft drivers identity has not been
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released I think in the beginning of this whole thing that may have thrown some more suspicion and
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public eye toward the driver but the driver tells police McKenzie was meeting someone and whoever it was Mackenzie got
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into that other car willingly the description of the vehicle of the person or persons she was meeting is reported
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as unavailable but it could just be that the lyft driver was unable to provide one to law enforcement you'd think he'd
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at least know what kind of cars she got into whether or not even what brand of car but like was it a sedan was it a SUV
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yeah he he or she the driver probably gave a very vague description would be my guess there they're looking to move
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on to their next drive looking to pick up their next fare right but again through information great hold on you're
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meeting people at a park this is not a normal drop-off you know most of the time people are picking somebody up from
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the airport maybe driving them to their car picking somebody up from the airport
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driving them back to their house you're probably what we're talking about probably a very small percent that at
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three o'clock in the morning is picking up a young female and driving her to a park to meet somebody I would guess yeah
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incredibly small if not zero this might be eating the first of its kind right again through information deduced from
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data on Mackenzie's phone we learn even more after texting her parents after she
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arrived in Salt Lake City Mackenzie was texting someone else she's texting thirty one-year-old a Ola a je and the
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police quickly figure out that both Mackenzie's phone and a je stone are pinging and are in close proximity and
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their location is both hatch Park this is at 3:00 a.m. on June 17th 2019 all right so this gives us some evidence
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that she's texting one this individual but two this is probably the person that she's gonna meet up with yes police
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speak with a je and going into this they know he was communicating via text and likely
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through other means as well with Mackenzie a jade is not deny communications with Mackenzie however he
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says he last texted her at 6 p.m. the investigators have different information proof that Mackenzie texted a je at 2:58
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a.m. now remember / lift she was dropped off at 2:59 a.m. just one minute after that text and her phone and a Jain are
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in very close proximity and in hatch Park at 3 a.m. so right but just to play devil's advocate she's texting him to do
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do they have evidence that he's texting her back after 6 p.m. that I don't know the only thing that I could find
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reported was that she texted ie at 2:58 a.m. and again it's it's no coincidence there's no defense here it's
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it's she's texting him and then 1 minute later she's dropped off and both their phones are in hatch park right at that
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time so this is where you go ok we might have a gaudy moment but now it's the problem here that they're going to run
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into and they don't arrest the jury after talking with them and we'll get into that and a bit but the other thing
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here that we we need to go through is what law enforcement knows that took place shortly after Mackenzie arrived at
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hatch park at some point her phone is turned off and once police started looking for Mackenzie they announced
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that they had no known activity from her regarding her cell phone or internet as
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they put it her cell phone is not ringing no calls no email no social media nothing right just like we heard
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in the trailer they have former Salt Lake City police chief talking there and what he's saying is that at this time in
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the investigation yes she is missing but the question is is she in danger right so we have evidence that her phone
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is obviously there we evidence from the lyft driver that he took her to the park but once that phone
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is turned off we're not gonna get any more pings no not from her so what what they are
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looking for at this point in the investigation they very publicly say this they're saying hey look not only do
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we need your help in locating this missing individual but we would like to know if anybody out there is aware of
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her having a second cell phone that that we are unaware of right or if she has some social media accounts that we are
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currently unaware of or if there's anything that she would have under a different name regarding internet or
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social media but again the problem here is very simply this at that state in the
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investigation yes Mackenzie is missing but is she in fact in danger because police are very suspicious of this guy
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that they've talked to but Mackenzie missing is technically not a crime and without evidence that she was abducted
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there's really no crime to charge this man with but that's not going to stop law enforcement from getting a search
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warrant to search this man's home and property right it's not like McKenzie went running in the park and we just
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never seen her she's a dolt she was a meeting another adult she has every right to do so she has every right to
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turn off her phone so who knows where she's at mm-hmm and the thing here too is they don't
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really understand they being law enforcement they can't get any confirmation from anybody in Mackenzie's
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clothes life of why she would be speaking to this man that they that law enforcement is suspicious of they don't
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know what the connection is between the two of them or you're going to find this
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more and more with social media there's a lot of people that have kind of like pin pals online you know friends online
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but you might not know each other in person I think so we have a bunch of reasons
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here why I think they're able to get this search warrant fairly easily it looks like it's probably for a multitude
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of reasons but of those some quick ones to point out is first a Jaya is not lining up with the facts that law
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enforcement know to be true regarding this whole timeline right remember his texting timeline is significantly off
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from what he's telling them to what they can prove what they can see on paper so
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are they able to go I don't know this answer maybe you do are they able to go to a judge and say
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we have evidence that this this individual was texting this other individual and when we asked them about
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it there they are lying is that does that give them some kind of probable cause exactly that's exactly what it
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gives them there they are going to get a probable cause search warrant for this man's property now keep in mind whatever
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they've released to the public is probably the a much shorter version of what they know and what they're holding
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on to we're you asked if did did a je text her after the time that he said that they last communicated right they
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know that if he did or did not they've just not they're not choosing to release that information that money he
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did his story yeah his story is very plain and simple the last time I text with her was 6 p.m.
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the day before and they what they have released publicly is they're saying at 2:58 a.m. she texts you right so that's
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your story's off there to begin with but then on top of that this is what's even
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more disturbing is they have neighbors of his that come forward and they say he was out burning something in his
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backyard on June 17th and June 18th and using gasoline to burn whatever it was the
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that he was burning and on top of that there he also denied knowing what Mackenzie even looked like and denies
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viewing her social media profile picture but they found at least one of those photos on his phone his neighbors are
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coming out and saying because she goes missing their early morning of June 17th neighbors come out say he's burning
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something on June 17th and 18th yes in his backyard using gasoline so it's with that information probably with some more
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information that we are unaware of that they are able to secure this probable cause warrant to search his home and
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property they don't make any buts about it I think that the words that they used
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they being law enforcement was we believe that his home his property is the Nexus of this case is is where her
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where this missing-persons case is going to lead us and we believe not only do we
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believe we should get a warrant for there we believe we're gonna find something of significance there right
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which they do they found within the ashes of whatever he was burning they found some of her
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like remains of some of her belongings as well as some some flesh remains from Mackenzie which they do the proper
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testing on this and they confirm very quickly through DNA that that whatever those remains were came from Mackenzie
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looook right so who is this this a je guy who is this creep well he's not he's not 100% unknown to law enforcement he's
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somebody that has been accused of rape in the past although the charges were dropped a je the Army National Guard
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but apparently never attended any type of training so even though he signed up he was never really he never joined he
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just signed up right right that's the wording should be used they're kind of like me
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and gym memberships and after this he started studying computer science at Utah State University but never
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graduated according to the college records that are provided to this newspaper that I'm reading from the the
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thing here is his life really takes a turn and this is in 2014 when he a lot of people that study computer their life
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state turns well this is when he became the suspect and a rape investigation yeah and this is from the North Park
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Police Department the investigation itself was halted it was dropped because eventually this woman decided to not
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press charges I've seen some sources that say that he that a je was not allowed on the campus
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for either months or years after the fact right I don't know how that plays into that whole scenario but that could
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100% play into him not ever graduating from the school right according to the Salt Lake Tribune a J's LinkedIn profile
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indicated that he worked in IT for companies like Dell and Microsoft his account has since been deactivated so I
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it seems to me like he was working in tech support or IT some form of that at the time of of this case he's also an
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author publishing a crime novel called Forge identity this he published last year and according to Goodreads the
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novel is about a man drawn to crime after witnessing gruesome murders at age 15 do not anybody go out and buy that
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book I think you can there are ways to purchase that book online but let's not let's not give this guy anything credit
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for anything at all because we're going to learn that this is a terrible terrible individual he is
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because of what they found on his property he is arrested and placed into custody regarding these items in this
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evidence when they arrest them are they charging him with Mackenzie's murder and
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JE has been charged with aggravated murder aggravated kidnapping and obstruction of justice
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so other than this evidence I guess in his fire pit well okay so there's a couple things going on there from the
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different sources that I pulled yeah some sources indicate that there was there was ground that was freshly dug I
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don't know if these items were burned and then placed in the ground or you know partially placed in the ground
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sometimes people bury ashes or place them elsewhere it feels like the that these items that they collected it may
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have come from that ground and or his burn site let's call it his fire pit house back yard so he tried to burn
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stuff remove it from whatever fire pit and then bury it correct and there's a lot more to learn about this sick
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all right cheers mates Cheers captain well the Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown said in a news conference
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that he was quote relieved and grief-stricken to report that McKenzie loic's body was
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recovered this was in Logan Canyon about 85 to 90 miles north of Salt Lake City north of a J's
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property as well and investigators were subsequently able to forensic ly confirm
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that it was the body of Mackenzie looook she from the very brief descriptions I could find of course there was some
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evidence that the body or portions of the body had attempted to been burned at some point and her her hands were found
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bound behind her tied behind her so it's what's unclear here is if in fact agile
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to this location because it seems to be quite a ways away from the space that they were looking at but we do know that
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he was arrested we do know that they found her body it would seem to me that they probably turned the screws on him
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and they were able to get him to bring forth some information he was also eventually charged with desecration of a
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body this may have this charge may have been added after in fact finding her body he is currently being held without
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bail I couldn't find a price for his his bond it looks like they're not going to
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let that even be an option here for this case well this is so recent that there's
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still developments happening as we speak there was developments yesterday yes this was his first court appearance
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where he appeared via video he was still located in the jail and he was not required to give a plea or actually say
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anything during that court proceeding it's it's a little confusing as to what's going on I mean this was just
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yesterday that he had his first court appearance we also don't have information regarding because police
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have not released a motive for the killing I think you know you and I having done this for a long time and
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listeners listening to the show you you don't have to doesn't take a great imagination to come up with a possible
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motive here but they've also not released how the two first came into contact with each
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other because this wasn't as you said this wasn't McKenzie Lueck she went went was jogging in a park and a je
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an abducted her she was going to this hatch park to meet with him so there was some type of relationship friendship or
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something going on there for her to meet him in the park that night and it wasn't
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something that she was sharing with her friends or family because again per police statements to the public there
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they were unaware right that there was any type of reason for her to know this 31 year old man where where I think we
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this this is terrible to say because this is such a horrible thing for her family and such a a tragedy and just
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really a horrific individual that carried out whatever took place but in some way I really strongly feel that the
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there has been a bullet that has been dodged here and I say that because of some information that came out regarding
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a je this was from a contractor the Jaya apparently hired a contractor to come out to his house and to look at a space
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that he wanted to have outfitted he wanted this space to be a soundproof secret room and within this soundproof
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secret room he wanted hooks and the contractor says these hooks were he wanted them above head height his war
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his words the contractor found all this to be very strange and and weird and it really didn't want any part of it
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so the contractor was smart enough to ask some questions you know what is this secret room for who needs a secret room
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to which aje explains that he says I need a room to hide alcohol booze and wine from my girlfriend who's very
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religious and the contractor wanted it zero cents well I don't know that it makes zero sense but it doesn't go along
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with a secret room wasn't soundproof right right I don't mind the secret room what I have a problem with is when you
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go yeah I just want to put some booze maybe some weed in there to hide it it's a bad lie that he had to come up with
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this soundproof yes it's the soundproof yeah cuz the wine bottles aren't down there going he's drinking us depends on
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how much you're drinking he wanted one of those thumbprint locks on the outside so so only he could enter it so think
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about that for a second thumbprint lock that's that's not like that's so 100 percent like oh I can't accidentally
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leave the key lying around and somebody stumble into this room or I can't accidentally yeah right down the
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combination and somebody discover the combination and decide that they're going to go and access this room this is
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they're going to have to have my thumb to get into this soundproof secret room the other horrible terrifying thing to
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think about too is the the hooks the he wanted that's for me that's for the me he wanted them placed above
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the contractor said was head height so the contractor says well what the hell are you gonna use these these hooks for
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to which a je x planes could you imagine being this guy being the contractor oh man I mean I want some hooks uh we're at
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a little bit above her head height well we we just talked on off the record this
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week about the the company that was going to come out and clean a car and they find a bunch of blood in the car
00:36:43
yeah you know it's it's this weird weird thing a je veux guarding the hooks the the contractors like look these hooks
00:36:54
look terrible one and two I don't know why anybody would need them to be this height so what the hell are these hooks
00:37:02
for and a je says that he wants to hang wine racks on the hooks so he can put you know wine bottles on the wine rack
00:37:12
the contractor this is this seems to be like the deal breaker where they lied and said that's for meats she doesn't
00:37:19
eat meat either I got to hide the meat well this this seems to be the deal breaker for the contractor because of
00:37:26
course he says he's suspicious and weirded out by this whole project to begin with yeah but when he hear when he
00:37:34
hears all you want to use the hooks for wine racks the contractor just says look
00:37:38
instead of putting up these hooks I'll just put wine racks up for you so which Ajay he's like now I'm gonna get the
00:37:45
hooks and then I'll do the wine racks myself and so the contractor turns down the job he's like I don't want any part
00:37:53
of whatever this is that's going on it sounds to me like this took place months ago okay yeah but hold on a second
00:38:01
surah' he's right that's how you say his name a je je you know he had a saint uh
00:38:09
he had [ __ ] a je was married at one point and his ex-wife claims that he slashed her with a knife but it also
00:38:20
states here that Jaya's home was a air and B since 2016 yeah into which oddly enough he is quoted as being a an
00:38:36
intelligent respectful nice host for the Airbnb as he I mean that's good that makes me never want to stay in an
00:38:49
Airbnb ever again unless they want to sponsor some episodes and then I'll say differently
00:38:56
but he offered accommodations in the basement of his home mm-hmm right next right next door to the soundproof wine
00:39:08
room well and he had a he did have a roommate for some time as well and I believe this was after his marriage
00:39:15
I wonder regarding his the rape allegations if that's why the marriage fell apart or if there was abuse or
00:39:25
other things going on right with within that whole scenario I don't know it's it's it's he's a weird individual and a
00:39:34
scary individual and that's why I say I think there even though we have this horrible tragedy and it sends me to my
00:39:42
core what happened with this young woman who had her whole life ahead of her this
00:39:47
was a promising young lady you know she was doing a lot of the right things she maintained a close relationship with her
00:39:55
parents and grandparents even living in another state right this was a good girl
00:39:59
and right but even though this ended in tragedy and in horribly and as I said it
00:40:05
sands me to my core a bullet was dodged in the sense that this guy in my opinion
00:40:13
I know that these are just started the these are just alleged charges at this point you know these are just charges
00:40:21
he's not actually been found guilty he looks really freaking guilty to me and I'm sure to everybody else out there
00:40:27
this was a budding serial killer this was like you said early stages this is what this guy I think was pursuing this
00:40:37
doesn't mean that was the first neither we do it we don't know I'm dead that's a very good point you got he got
00:40:42
this guy setting himself up but put you know let's do it Airbnb in my homeless let's set up this you know secret room
00:40:54
that soundproof you know he's on a lot of these meetup sites - is he on these meetup sites and that's the the
00:41:03
cautionary tale you know surprise surprise anybody can be whoever they want to be online mm-hmm and he has a
00:41:12
bunch of pictures where he is in his army uniforms and and so what's strange is I don't know if he how much he did in
00:41:26
the army well you know I should be clear here I'm looking through my notes in it
00:41:29
and I do have it says after several months of service I don't know what that means because I have other sources
00:41:37
saying that he was never trained that he never technically did anything for the National Guard so I don't know exactly
00:41:45
what that means but yeah you're right the pictures of him in his his uniform well think about this you got this guy
00:41:53
that is telling you know hey on one site he's saying I'm a gym rat I I was in the
00:42:00
Army right I'm a buff guy I'm you know I'm a writer just these simple things that that you can put out there on these
00:42:16
dating sites or meet-up sites and all you have to do is be able to come up with a couple decent lies and then you
00:42:27
just have to come up with some decent pictures to back up some of those lies and that's kind of enough to get your
00:42:35
foot in the door that gets you texting somebody and and I think that's kind of what he did and I mean look he has a
00:42:42
self-published book on Amazon called for of forged identity mm-hmm and it's like is this a precursor you know like
00:42:54
that he's just gonna be you know creating whatever identity he wants and therefore they like I said that gets you
00:43:04
in the door and then people become vulnerable because here is this young lady that does not know who she's
00:43:14
meeting mm-hmm she all she can base it off of is [ __ ] information that he provided her right and that's what it is
00:43:24
it's it's not facts it's [ __ ] information it's stuff he came up with or however he chooses to present himself
00:43:32
one at one case that that has and will always fascinate me but I don't care what anybody says out there it would be
00:43:41
the chances of it being solved I think are so slim to none that I'm willing to go and say 0% here but the Jack the
00:43:50
Ripper case is one that you know that I I get wrapped up into it right for a few
00:43:56
weeks or a few months every year I get pulled back in I think I'm out and then they pull me back in but one thing that
00:44:03
I've always tried to point out to anybody when you know there's websites and books that you can go to regarding
00:44:11
the Ripper case where they'll list as many as 30 or 40 maybe even 50 potential suspects but a huge problem that you
00:44:21
have with that case is back in the 1800s even though this was the late 1800s in a
00:44:28
lot of places in this world you were whoever you said you were it wasn't like you had to walk around and show
00:44:37
documentation and in most three three forms of ID if I walked into an English pub in in 1888 and said that I'm John
00:44:49
Brown mm-hmm that's who I was and I could live under that assumed name for a long period of time in a sense that's
00:44:57
similar to what we're looking at here it's he's on the internet who knows what what websites or how the
00:45:04
they connected at any point but in a sense he he could have just been whoever he said he was to her or to anybody else
00:45:14
out there one also like I mean just with social media it's not even just meetup sites but you hashtag some things so you
00:45:23
start working out you hashtag you know fitness whatever people start following you there's several people that you know
00:45:33
I follow online or they follow me online and and we don't know each other I'm not
00:45:40
meeting up this person I'm gonna go to meet up with this person at 3 a.m. um that is risky behavior you know if
00:45:50
your meet up with somebody that you haven't met even like with online dating it's like you meet at a public place you
00:45:57
know meet up with friends what's so wrong with that but I think we have kind of two things going on now we have you
00:46:08
know who people think we are in real life and our friends and family and blah blah blah and then we have this other
00:46:15
world online and that too many times is actually kept a secret from the real world and I'm sure now that they have
00:46:29
her phone and they have or they're able to get into these social networks that the police were able to find other
00:46:40
things that they're connected with but it's a cautionary tale you need you know if you're speaking with people online
00:46:47
and you plan on meeting them maybe tell some people you know well in the other thing too is it's very obvious whatever
00:46:58
was going on there that the two that Mackenzie and a je did not have the same understanding of what that meeting was
00:47:07
for okay there's you know Mackenzie didn't know what this guy had planned had no clue who this
00:47:17
guy was and when we say that that law enforcement has not released how they believed the two were connected or what
00:47:27
the motive for these crimes were it may just be as simple as this individual a je is a sadist is a homicidal maniac and
00:47:41
that he was a budding serial killer I think that everything points to that and that is the the motive is he's an evil
00:47:50
individual and he was looking to kill somebody and he was looking to kill a woman in my opinion and and we can say
00:47:57
look there's some connection to the victim and the murderer but in a sense what he's doing is he's
00:48:04
trying to go out there and secure a stranger because we all know that stranger on stranger crimes are very
00:48:10
difficult for investigation well it's like yeah it's like Bruce McArthur up in Canada right it's the same type of thing
00:48:17
but instead you know it's very similar to Dahmer mm-hmm similar to Darlie as well yeah different different method of
00:48:25
securing a stranger who's going to be your victim who might want to be right back in the day like you said you could
00:48:31
walk into a bar who are you you John Brown you can be whoever the Freak you want to be right and now you can do that
00:48:39
online so it's it's a it's a place for predators and you have to be careful and and I I can't say this enough that
00:48:52
everybody needs to be on the understanding that there's always going to be a motive when there's a female
00:48:59
involved and when the when there's a female victim you know like you said you don't have to look too far to figure out
00:49:08
what the motive possibly was and you got to be careful you have to protect yourself you have to tell your friends
00:49:17
what's going on you gotta tell people who you're talking to and if you if you think this guy is cute
00:49:23
and you want to meet up with them say hey we're gonna bring a couple of my friends you bring a couple of your
00:49:27
friends let's meet up at a bar if they don't want to do that screw not worth your time well and
00:49:35
remember when we interviewed John Douglas what he was saying is in his opinion most of these guys and when he's
00:49:43
saying these guys he's referring to serial offenders and serial killers that he is interviewed real pieces of he says
00:49:50
he says that in his opinion what most of these guys want is to be able to hold their victim captive for a long period
00:50:00
of time and most of the time they the result is murder because they don't have that ability or cannot do that for
00:50:08
whatever reason right this is no different than what we saw with the Jamie cloths case yeah where she was
00:50:16
held captive for a long period of time that's what agile was attempting to do with the secret soundproof room accessed
00:50:25
only by a thumbprint lock and hooks on the walls above above head height so it's he's he's a scary scary individual
00:50:36
that was apprehended not early enough it's it's a little I mean it's very disturbing and I wish he really would
00:50:47
have got brought up on charges of rape I don't know what what fully made that case fall apart but I just worry that
00:50:56
even if he would have done some time for that he would have come out and picked up where he left off yeah he had edge
00:51:03
and and that agenda was gonna happen and I hope they're strongly looking into this guy's background in his his
00:51:11
whereabouts and if he has could be connected to anything else because what little we know about this guy is very
00:51:20
scary the the the attempting of building the secret room the abduction of a young
00:51:27
woman well again then the concealing going through all that efforts to conceal the remains yeah yeah well and
00:51:36
that's a big thing somehow this guy manipulated his way into a situation where he's meeting somebody that
00:51:44
for all we know this is the first time they met at a park very late at night and she's gonna get into his car he can
00:51:55
control that situation her body's then found pretty far from his property you wonder in like you said discarding of
00:52:08
some of the evidence he's kind of wonder is like is this his first time right and
00:52:15
that's why I say I think you're on to something there and I hope that they really look strongly into his background
00:52:21
and if he is currently talking see what else you can get him to talk about yeah and I have a little suggestion I think
00:52:30
they should make a little room and put hooks a little bit higher than head height stick him on the hooks get him
00:52:40
talking maybe you can confess to something that he did prior or some of the sick thoughts he's been having and
00:52:48
this guy should never be let out of jail no he he is somebody that regardless of
00:52:54
if he's done or been guilty of anything before what took place last month he's somebody that should never ever be let
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