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talk some true [Music] crime [Music] Ward Weaver thei his claims of being the number one suspect or at least being one
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of the top suspects and The Disappearance of two young teenage girls might be right because at some point we
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know the police in Oregon City began to intensify their focus on Ward Weaver well if they didn't at First Once you
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make these claims on public TV maybe that gave them the inkling that they should make him the number one
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suspect yeah and while they were searching into all of these suspects you know we mentioned that at one time they
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said the suspect pool was as many as 30 suspects and then whittel down to 20 maybe 10 according to the
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FBI there's a lot of stuff going on behind behind the scenes here you know especially regarding Ward Weaver III the
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authorities collected his work records they were looking into his whereabouts on the two days in question they were
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reviewing statements given by other people in the neighborhood right asking questions to those people regarding his
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close ties to Ashley one of the missing girls and they even took search dogs out
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two rural spots where Ward Weaver liked to camp now Weaver who has been divorced
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twice by this point he has five children he was described by police as a violent
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man with an explosive temper and we know that to be fact based off of his criminal past and according to County
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Law Enforcement records police have been dispatched to Weaver's home 10 times since November of 2000 So within a span
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of less than two years 10 times they were called out to Ward Weaver's home many of these calls were domestic in
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nature yeah they weren't just going out there to give him like the citizen of the Year Award right right then in late
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June of 200 and two two detectives even made a trip to Idaho to interview Rodney
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Weaver remember this is his half brother MH now even though Rodney hadn't seen his brother in over a year police wanted
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to speak with him he told the police he never met Ashley or Miranda the two potential victims but he did tell
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investigators about the time that they went camping in rural Malala now that has come up in a in a case that we
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covered before that that whole area there uh this is an area that was searched by kadaver dogs regarding the
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investigation into Ward Weaver now moving down our timeline a bit unbeknownst to police Rodney Weaver
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spoke with his brother via phone call this is around the first or second week of August 2002 now during these phone
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calls Ward Weaver told his half brother he was sick of the police following him around town he was sick of them tapping
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his phone lines and sick of the town that was calling him a suspect a ward Weaver III was almost finished packing
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his things according to what he told his brother and he was planning to move out
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of state possibly to Idaho Washington State or maybe even to Mexico then in a dramatic change of events on August 13th
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2002 Ward Weaver's old oldest son Francis Weaver contacted 911 and reported that his father had attempted
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to rape francis's 19-year-old girlfriend Francis urged the dispatcher to send police and before Francis hung up the
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phone he told the dispatcher that his father Ward Weaver III told him he had murdered both Ashley and Miranda police
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arrested Ward Weaver holding him on $1 million bond this was just for the rape allegations of his son's girlfriend
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his son Francis was being questioned regarding his statement to the dispatcher regarding the missing girls
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Francis like his father had his own troubles with the law in fact in 1999 Francis Weaver shot a rifle into a
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truckload of teens injuring his best friend this was in Idaho north of Twin Falls he was charged with aggravated
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assault a felony and served several weeks in a Juvenile Detention Facility all right so we have Francis which which
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is the son of Ward Weaver III yes sir so he's shooting into he's shooting at Cars full of
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people so he's a [ __ ] bag his father's a [ __ ] bag and we know Ward Weaver's the
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third's father is a [ __ ] Junior so we have a very violent family we have generations
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of of wildly Violent Men his family right so the the [ __ ] sandwich doesn't fall too far from the [ __ ] tree or
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something like that well that sandwich would be like a club sandwich or a a Big Mac you know a sandwich where you have
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three layers to it it'd be a Whopper is what you're saying a w a [ __ ] Whopper well the first thing that that drove me
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crazy when I was looking into this case was the smell uh no these allegations by Francis
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Weaver right because you're talking about this this is like months and months later after both these girls went
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missing and he's saying to the 911 dispatcher hey my father told me that he abducted and killed those two girls but
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when though because if it was months ago then you're just kind of proven that how
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big of a piece of well and that's that's what I was wondering I'm like how long did Francis Weaver sit on this
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information however it looks to me like Francis Weaver actually lived most of the time with his brother's uh with his
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father's half brother right and it looks like he would come and stay from time to
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time with his father so Francis Weaver may not have known this information until very shortly before calling 911 in
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fact learning this information may have come about because of the attack on his girlfriend I couldn't find anything out
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there to definitively State when Francis Weaver was claims that he heard this confession from his father that he had
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killed those two girls right so right and then authorities could be just going you're making this up well but either
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way that we know the allegations of his father trying to rape his girlfriend that's for reals yes and that's what
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they're going to hold Ward Weaver III on on that rape allegation and you hit the
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nail on the head there Captain because some of the investigators they believed Francis Weaver's claims heck most of
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them thought Ward Weaver was their guy even before the new rape allegations but there were some that wondered if Francis
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made up that part of the story you know of his dad having killed the girls because he was simply angry about the
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attack on his girlfriend knowing that his father might have already been a suspect in those cases yeah and you
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would be mad and should be mad the other thing was the exact uh under questioning
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the exact details of that confession from father to son uh the way that Francis would tell the investigators
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about that those details change from time to time in francis's story so that called it into question a little more
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yeah but regardless uh Francis Weaver did maintain that his father confessed to him that he killed the girls well and
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the tricky thing here though is the confession to him could have been very small as far as details go and then they
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start asking you for more details and you don't know so therefore you start making those up you also have to wonder
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was that actually some kind of threat that Ward Weaver posed to francis's girlfriend and that maybe Francis didn't
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hear it directly from his father's mouth you know during the course of attacking
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that that woman uh francis's girlfriend was that part of the threats that were made because we've covered
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other cases where we have offenders when they are going after a victim and things
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aren't going their way they will use anything as a threat well and you have again Ward Weaver III which is a a big
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[ __ ] a Big Mac and then we have the Whopper of a [ __ ] Francis then you start wondering maybe
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they both were involved possibly but again it's very likely Francis Weaver wasn't even in all right that's right
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you know it doesn't seem to be that that was his main residence well I probably would have if I was the lead detective
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on this that would have demoted me right there you would have got put back on hey
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wait a minute we need you to answer the phones for a few months Captain didn't Nick just say he lived with his
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brother's half brother you're on bicycle Patrol that's I give me horse Duty the the uh where we grew up Captain
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I nobody has directly said this to me but I have to believe that bicycle Patrol was like some form of punishment
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for for the off yeah for the police um anyway the the FBI what what does come of this is that the FBI and the local
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authorities regardless of what level of suspect they believed Ward Weaver II third to be they finally were able to
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obtain a warrant to search his property because of these new allegations right on August 24th FBI agents searched
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Weaver's home and they found the remains of Miranda Gattis inside a box in a storage shed Jesus the
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following day they found the remains of Ashley Pond inside a barrel which was buried under a slab of concrete that
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Weaver had recently put down for a hot tub or so he claimed now one thing regarding that interview that we
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referenced yesterday when he and when Ward Weaver III being a suspect living near the crime scene invites the camera
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crew and invites uh a reporter into his home and walks her around his home as he
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answers questions and speaks to uh being a suspect in the case of two missing girls there's one part of the interview
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when he's leading them out they go out through like the back door of his home and they go around the side and I might
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have this wrong because I I don't know the full layout of this property MH but at one point they walk over top of this
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concrete slab that he had poured to cover up the remains of this poor girl great and some have wondered was that
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another was that another shot at all the people looking at him as a suspect like
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you know just kind of doing his thing and walking right over top of the concrete that he had poured well he is a
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real arrogant son of a [ __ ] anyways he he's he's one of those people that not only does he think he's the smartest guy
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in the room he thinks he's the smartest guy in any town he goes in Is What It Seems seems to me and so that would be
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like you said a shot hey come in talk to me they they they say I'm the number one
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guy and uh and then by the way let's walk over her remains MH while you leave so well and you know what if what his
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half brother says is true Ward Weaver was packing up his things and getting ready to get out of town yeah you know
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if he would have went to Mexico who knows I mean I'm sure they would have searched that property or
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figured out a way to search that property at some point with him being gone but would they have been able to
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catch up with him right so on October 2nd 2002 Ward weav or wait or catch up with him or catch him in time before he
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did something else stupid yeah right right exactly on the 2nd of October Ward Weaver was indicted on charges of six
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counts of aggravated murder two counts of abuse of a corpse in the second degree one count of sexual abuse in the
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first degree and one count of attempted rape in the second degree one count of attempted aggravated murder one count of
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attempted rape in the first degree and one count of sexual abuse in the first degree MH um to avoid the death penalty
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Ward Weaver III pled guilty to murdering his daughter's friends right and he received two life sentences without the
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possibility of parole for the deaths of Ashley Pond and Miranda Gattis yeah well
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he's not going to do well in prison anyways strangely enough the same month that Ward Weaver III was indicted on the
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murder and rape charges his son who turned him in Francis Weaver is accused of threatening um some relatives
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apparently he called his aunt and two cousins and threatened their lives during a phone call okay so we got the
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grandpa he's charged death sentences for the the grandfather death sentences then the
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son the third he now has two life sentences now we have the the the grandson Francis yep and he is
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threatening people in his family yeah well I mean he's already shot at a vehicle with people in it now
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he's threatening his family so it's the third generation of of wild violence really I mean of these Violent Men mhm I
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mean I'm just trying to keep up with these turds well then in 2005 Francis Weaver was charged with breaking into a
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Southeast Portland home holding the resident's hostage and then robbing them he was acquitted though in court then
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later that same year police and firefighters came across a puzzling scene finding Edward Kelly Spangler of
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Grant's Pass lying outside his Hyundai SUV in Locust city park it was obvious that he had crashed the vehicle into a
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tree but it wasn't until they examined him closely that they found he had suffered multiple
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gunshot wounds Spangler age 43 was pronounced dead at the scene now working with the major crimes unit police then
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traced spangler's path to a nearby apartment complex for which they obtained search warrants they soon
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arrested 27-year-old Michael Orin who admitted that he shot Spangler twice in the head according to the court
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documents now police also arrested Francis Weaver at the apartment complex oh Francis and initially charging him
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with robbery meanwhile Orin reportedly told police where they could find another accomplice this is 32-year-old
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Shannon beton Court a Portland Police Bureau search team served a search warrant at the home of beton court in
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Portland where beton Court was arrested according to court documents police believe Weaver Orin and beton Court
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stalked Spangler planning to steal 15 pounds of marijuana that Spangler had brought from Southern Oregon for a cash
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exchange but the robbery didn't go smoothly and then they killed Spangler after a round of interviews authorities
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filed a new charge against Francis Weaver for murder and then convicting him of such but they convicted him and
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somebody else correct it was this this team of three that had planned to Rob this man and ultimately led to the
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murder of Spangler regarding the deaths of Ashley and Miranda the two girls from the Ward
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Weaver the third case we would get some updates and some clarity as to what happened in those specific cases it
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would take some years for some of this to come to light but Miranda's sister Mariah she started communicating with
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Ward Weaver III once he was in prison serving his two life sentences and she wanted some answers as to what happened
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and he would tell her some of the things that that occurred that led up to their
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murder now now it took about 3 years I'm sorry took about I think it was six or seven years after he was imprisoned that
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he finally told Mariah that the reason that he killed Ashley was because he feared that he was going to eventually
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face charges for the rape allegations right and there there not any details as to how the abduction took place I mean
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it could have been as simple as he picked her up on the street on her way to the uh bus stop she could have showed
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up after the bus actually took off or before the other kids and he could have got her there as well but we do know
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that he admitted to having a motive let's say for killing this young girl the other thing though too is Mariah
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wanted to know well why did you kill my sister Miranda and what Ward Weaver told her
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was that Miranda was near his home and saw him doing something and I'm I'm confused as to what it was that he was
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doing his statement is simply that he was doing something and I don't know if Mariah cleaned this up for the papers or
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if he didn't directly tell her what that something was but he simply says he was
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in the middle of something he was doing something Miranda saw him and he got scared and he
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panicked unfortunately he used basically the love the friendship between the two girls to lure her into
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his home mhm he basically told Miranda that Ashley is inside his house that Ashley wants to come home keep in mind
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she was missing for two months by this point M that Ashley wants to come home but she's scared and this is what got
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Miranda to go over to his house and go into his home that eventually led to the murder well she could have saw him dig
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in a hole put the concrete down moving the body I think that's probably likely what was going on because like I said
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when I saw portions of that interview with Ward Weaver M the the placement of that concrete when he walked over the
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concrete with the reporter it looked to me like that was on the side of his home
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M and if somebody was coming up the hill approaching the bus stop they would have
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very likely seen him doing something on the side of that house right and he may have S he may have thought that she saw
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something that she in fact did not see right and then he then he you know tricks her into coming into the house or
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he's a lying piece of [ __ ] and he didn't he didn't kill Ashley to stop the rape
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charges he killed her so he could rape her again and then he decided to rape another girl and kill her as well well
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let's think about this for a minute because you have about 6 months or so that go that go by but between the time
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that these allegations come forward about the the rape or molestation mhm before she's abducted and killed six
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months so what he he just sat there scared for six months and did nothing about it and all of a sudden one day
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decided to take action yeah it doesn't make any sense see here here's here's the issue here
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okay and we see this time and time again with a lot of serial killers and that's
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what we need to go ahead and label Ward Weaver II third as we know he killed two
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he very likely was going to kill Francis Weaver's girlfriend during that attack yeah something stopped that something
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prevented that from happening but what we have here is excuses and we see this time and time
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again there's an excuse for the murder when really that the the simple fact of it you're making this up you're making
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this up because there were there were reasons that you attacked and killed killed these young girls and none of it
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has to do with the excuses that you've brought up and that you've told to her sister right I I killed Ashley to cover
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up the rape allegations but I waited over six months and then doesn't doesn't make a lot of logical sense and then
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Miranda saw me in the middle of something M and I got scared and I panicked jerking off on the porch but it
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it's in in a way it's almost like victim blaming like blaming your eventual murder VI victims that oh I had I had to
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do this because of this yeah she she was going to charge me with rape charges I had to kill her and then her friend saw
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me you know stroking it's not that I'm just it's not that I'm just an evil child killer or an evil woman killer
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it's it's I had to do it because of this and I don't buy it for a second I don't
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buy it for a second it might have saved him um some grief or whatever when he had to talk to uh her sister so many
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years later and you know what kudos to Mariah right kudos to her for going and saying and demanding answers from this
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scumbag look me in the face look me in the eye and tell me why you killed my sister MH that's not an easy thing to do
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no and you're but also this guy's a liar and he again I mean he's when they said
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he was a suspect he put the blame on his father this guy is not you know that's look if if you're one of these people
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that keep blaming everything Society this that this this is what path you might be leading down cuz this is what
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these people do mhm so he he but he does it time and time again so yes it's very
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brave of her is she going to get the answers that she's looking for no but there's probably some truth to the
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idea that yes um your sister saw me doing something what that something is we I guess we just won't know we don't
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know or but but again or does he just does she just fit his victimology you know what I mean she's I
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think that's what it is I think that's what it is too I think these are sexually motivated murders and
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adductions yeah I think he's a rapist and a murderer right and I think that is the real answer behind all of
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ba Babushka um you know this is kind of a good study a good case study you know the old question of nature versus
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nurture do these you know are we born to are some people born to kill or are they
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created by their environment that they grow up in as a child or society around them and this is one of those
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interesting cases where it's unlike many many other cases out there where we have
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three generations of killers we have Ward we Jr who was convicted and sentenced to death in California now he
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did ultimately appeal those death sentences I don't think he had any luck with the you know overturning those you
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know good good for us and the thing in mind the thing to keep in mind here though is remember the statement given
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by the FBI later where they're like look this guy he's got two death sentences already he was already facing 42 years
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in prison before we brought those death penalty cases against him for violent crimes for for abduction and and
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attempted murder right and we have 26 unsolved homicide cases that we can track back to his truck trucking routes
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we don't know if he was involved in those or not now I'm not he's involved in some of them I'm not to get I'd place
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a bet on that I I think you're exactly right I'm not going to turn all Cold Case Cameron on you and believe that
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he's responsible for all 26 of them but look at the the two crimes that we know that he did one was two people that he
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he happened upon because their vehicle broke down yeah and the other two were uh runaways hitchhiking right so how
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many times in the course of his Long Haul Trucking career did he just happen upon some people it doesn't appear that
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he needed much motivation for abduction and murder other than if a female was present right when he happened upon
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these people sexually motivated which when you look at his son his crimes are sexually motivated as well exactly
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exactly and then you have the grandson Francis Weaver who his crimes are are somewhat different but ultimately he's
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convicted of murder as well right you know his crimes are more doesn't seem sexually motivated though no it just
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seems like a like a violent man um regarding shooting into a vehicle full of of kids your age and then robbing and
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and murdering you know it's more of of Thug wannabe gangster type crimes I I you know if I had to give him such a
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title right I think the issue here is is if you could identify a gene that you said okay all serial killers or all
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violent offenders have this gen then the question becomes do you lock them up before they commit a crime
00:31:32
because you know that they have that Gene mhm and so it's like because you you look at it this way when they take dmer
00:31:42
in when he was having some issues as a kid and they have him talk to like a therapist right right and the therapist
00:31:50
does this test and comes back and say hey dmer has this Gene that possibly will lead him to be a
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serial killer do you lock them up or do you let them live and to see what happens and I think this this is kind of
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a question that people keep posing to the True Crime Community mhm well yeah again some have argued that it's nature
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some have argued that it's nurture I I think that the look there's a lot of good Arguments for both both stances on
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this right but the but the but that's not the question the question is if you knew
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definitively that this guy has the serial killer Gene do you lock them up before they commit any
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crime that's such a tough thing to answer because I mean I because part of you want to say yes of course because
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because then they don't commit any crimes and they're not going to kill any innocent people and and that's a good
00:32:52
thing but then on the other hand you go well I guess gu if they can control themselves then maybe we we don't lock
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them up and and hopefully they can contr they could control themselves now that they know this information mhm that hey
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you have this Gene um but again with all these serial killers I mean all you hear all the time
00:33:17
is about these urges so is anybody even capable of stopping these urges well and from from as far as we
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know most of these serial killers come from they're not they're not born and bred from other serial killers you know
00:33:36
what I mean like this is a unique situation here where we have three generations of
00:33:43
murderers and I think I'm of the the belief that that a lot of things are unique and that every case is unique and
00:33:52
every suspect is an individual and needs to be looked at as such I I don't really
00:33:58
like throwing everybody into a big batch together and just saying hey they're all
00:34:03
C cookie cutter they're all carbon copies of one another right it's almost like it's hard
00:34:09
to study them beforehand you have to wait until the crimes happen does that make sense
00:34:17
like now that we're looking back on them hindsight we can see the development yeah and I'm of the belief that it's as
00:34:26
much of one as it is the other I think it's a a mash of the two I don't think that
00:34:33
there's a definitive argument for it being just one nature or nurture right it's probably a percentage but in the
00:34:40
case of like a dmer I would go you know nature versus nurture I'd say it's probably 8020 mhm you know this
00:34:49
guy was just born with some things wrong with him um especially when you have a father that's trying to get you help
00:34:57
especially that when you have a father that's so concerned about you and so concerned about your how you're um
00:35:05
reacting and interacting in society so I'd lean more towards nature there but I think you're right it's some kind of
00:35:12
percentage of those two and I believe that in this case that we discussed this week especially with Ward Weaver III I
00:35:21
believe that there was a lot of signs when he was a teenager that this is a violent man with with with the strange
00:35:29
sexual appetite you know yeah but the same strange sexual appetite that his father had correct correct and the weird
00:35:38
thing there is you could make an argument that there it it was a gene that was passed down between the two
00:35:44
because basically Ward Weaver Jr didn't really raise Ward Weaver III he was only
00:35:50
around till the kid was about four and then he took off but then you could also argue you know people would say well
00:35:57
then it can't be nurture in this specific situation but how do we know that him not being there didn't mold
00:36:04
Ward Weaver III in a in a certain way right even just not being there is part of it to me it's like with Ward Weaver
00:36:13
III you start going it seems like it's more nature MH than nurture well in a strange twist to this
00:36:22
whole thing after Francis Weaver was arrested and convicted of murder well as we know Most states that have felony
00:36:31
convictions they then take your DNA well when they took his DNA they learned that
00:36:36
he was in fact not the biological son of Ward Weaver III you are not the father again not the father yeah myy would be
00:36:45
so proud of us you know what's Wild is if you look at a picture of wild Weaver Jr Weaver III and Francis Weaver M so
00:36:54
Junior and thei look a lot alike like you can easily look at the two of them and go okay that's father and son if you
00:37:03
look at Francis Weaver I don't think he looks anything like he do look anything like Ward Weaver
00:37:10
III yeah well you wonder if he knew the son Francis or if we or the third knew if we or the third knew I'm assuming
00:37:21
that this the sun didn't know it's interesting that you bring that up because remember Weaver the third
00:37:27
attacked his wife when she was pregnant with their first born yeah remember he sent her to the hospital and she refuse
00:37:35
to press charges against him you know we don't often get to do this but um we will get to this week and I what I like
00:37:44
in this next part too you know when you watch the you ever watch the the Sunday evening news like the the national news
00:37:51
and look if you're not in a good space don't watch the national news because it's just bad after bad after tragic
00:38:01
story I sometimes I sit down to watch it and I feel great about myself and the world we live in and then I'm in a dark
00:38:08
place about 45 minutes into it but continue to listen to our show every Tuesday at 7 p.m. but remember on um
00:38:15
like Anchor Man they did this in the movie Anchor Man and they uh they do it on the national news every week where
00:38:21
they show you all these terrible tragic stories and then they leave you with like
00:38:27
Polar Bears playing together you know a happy story at the end you anchor man I think it was the the squirrel that was
00:38:33
swimming in the pool mhm um well for this story and I know that I I should be a bigger better human being but I'm
00:38:42
sorry I'm just not capable yet um this took place in 2008 I believe Ward Weaver the third who was serving
00:38:52
time he was you know serving out his two life sentences 60 % of the time it works
00:38:57
all the time this was in the Snake River Correctional Institution what Snake River
00:39:04
Correctional Institution so Ward Weaver the thir he he actually lives in the uh segregated
00:39:13
portion of this institution you know because you take the the high risk inmates and you keep them separate
00:39:20
because there there are people in general population that want to harm or kill the and mates right so he is
00:39:29
getting a haircut and I guess that the the way that this works here is that the barber is another inmate is it
00:39:37
a mullet and a mullet his haircut I don't know what kind of no he's getting a perm I have no idea what what he was
00:39:46
Michael Bolton getting what style he was going for um you you may not even get to
00:39:52
choose because I know that they're not allowed to use scissors they're not permitted to use scissors flock of
00:39:57
seagull they use electric razors instead MH but during the course of this haircut
00:40:03
now mind you the barber and Weaver are the only two in the room at the time the barber stabbed Weaver multiple times he
00:40:12
fashioned a shank from a I believe it was from a toothbrush and so I know you did look
00:40:20
that's that's when I'm like I'm like I feel shouldn't be laughing yeah I don't know the answer to that though should I
00:40:25
not be laughing I mean look like I said I want to be a bigger better person but I'm not able or
00:40:32
are you a better person if you are laughing that's true that's what I question yeah that's I mean this son of
00:40:38
a [ __ ] raped and murdered kids yeah you know so yeah I'll laugh at his death we
00:40:46
well he didn't die he didn't die oh he survived the stabbing does he at least talk funny or something now I don't know
00:40:53
where was he stabbed uh in the next and shoulders so it was a good attempt by this Marvin Lee Taylor 44 who was hey
00:41:02
Marvin you should have stabbed him in the rectum was eventually charged with assault possession of a weapon and
00:41:07
supplying Contraband oh and I wonder what what did he say to the barber did he start an argument we know he's
00:41:16
violent or was it simply like you said they find out what Weaver did and they go I'm taking this guy down well Weaver
00:41:25
would be on the lowest rung of the prison population right you know as as as you know silly as it seems that
00:41:33
there's different levels of these criminal or society that they live in I you know there's there's
00:41:40
something about it look bigger person not bigger person I don't give a [ __ ] there's something I like about the
00:41:51
fact that if you do something you take a child's life you harm a child and you go
00:41:57
to prison that somehow they find out about it and they decide to say we're drawing a line and we're going to we're
00:42:06
going to do something about it and these are some of these people are the worst of the worst MH but there's guys in
00:42:13
prison that have killed multiple people but they killed adults and then they're saying hey this
00:42:19
guy killed a child I'm going to take him out I there's something that I that I like about
00:42:28
that and maybe that makes me a horrible person it doesn't bother we're getting really dark right now yeah but it
00:42:35
doesn't bother me and I don't think it would bother most that that I'm saying I enjoy it I don't think that it Bo you
00:42:42
know it doesn't bother me one bit that this person is a Marked Man you know that if you go to if you go to prison
00:42:48
for this type of these type of crimes mhm I mean come on do we have like um therapists sponsor this week cuz I'm I
00:42:58
might have to call my therapist this week and tell him that I like the fact that there's prison
00:43:05
Justice and ask them if that makes me a bad person I don't think so I think it makes me a good person yeah like I said
00:43:13
I'm I'm fine with it I'm fine with people look you have to be held accountable for your actions and that
00:43:19
doesn't stop after you're convicted in a court of law right yeah I mean you're still going to be judged by your peers
00:43:26
ultimately for the rest of your days right yeah and it'd be hard to know if you what you would do if if you're
00:43:34
supposed to spend life in prison for something and you you had to spin it with these monsters what what would you
00:43:40
do mhm so it's tough but with this Gene it's like I think maybe technology will advance more well we'll know more about
00:43:48
this kind of stuff M but I don't know if it's so it's like I don't know how where we're at now
00:43:57
but it's like I think I don't know where I I don't even know if I want to talk about it because
00:44:03
it seems almost like a political thing like I don't know if you should be able to choose your your baby's sex or if you
00:44:09
should be able to choose your baby's eye color or or any of that stuff well the idea of it's interesting the idea of a
00:44:16
of of a possible murder Gene is interesting to ponder that thought and to question that I don't think the cases
00:44:24
we've covered so many cases don't feel like we see so much of of signs of that that it it's something that actually
00:44:32
exists right you know and in that case that we referenced during the trailer Moy versus the state of Georgia that to
00:44:39
me it just seems like a defense that you come up with when there's no other defense to put forth right my clients
00:44:47
look we can't confirm we can't find a doctor to tell you that he's clinically or legally
00:44:53
insane but he might have this murder Gene that means he's not responsible for his own actions he can't control himself
00:45:02
he has no no ability to to control himself in a certain situation it's proven genetically that he's going to
00:45:10
behave erratically and super violent in certain situations because of how he's his DNA his genetic makeup it's just
00:45:19
farfetched it's farfetched and if there was a murder Gene but the different kind
00:45:24
of Gene do you think they would sell those at like hot topics or like abian fit what do you think what do
00:45:33
you think murder jeans would look like murder skinny jeans maybe it would be skinny jeans I think they would look
00:45:38
like skinny jeans but the the design would be like zumas I get angry in skinny jeans because I can't sit
00:45:45
down a humble brag a humble brag that I can't sit down cuz your your junk is too big that's not
00:45:53
what I meant well that's what I was going with the humble br but what we can agree on here Captain is we both feel
00:45:59
that it is a combination of Nature and nurture that molds these people into this violent Behavior later in their
00:46:09
life and what is interesting though and is that we will continue to study this and we will continue to learn from this
00:46:19
unfortunately True Crime is a part of our history and if we choose to ignore it we fail to learn Le from it well and
00:46:27
also remember that if it is a combination of Nature and nurture that we're a part of the nurture as a
00:46:35
society so be excellent to each [Music] other and we're going to do a little recommended viewing for everybody this
00:46:48
week this week recommending the new docu series murder Mountain it is director very good friend of the show Joshua Zan
00:46:58
one of his new projects this is on Netflix so you don't have to rush out and buy a book or anything like that you
00:47:03
can just watch it on Netflix and enjoy it I'm about halfway through the docu series right now how is it it's very
00:47:10
good and you know and Joshua always does good stuff you know and we had him on the show um what was it about two years
00:47:17
ago to discuss The Killing season docu series that he did on A&E which was really good fantastic and it that kind
00:47:24
of centered around the Long Island serial killer case which we've covered multiple times and we've even discussed
00:47:32
off mic of getting back into that case because it's been such a big one for us in the first couple seasons of True
00:47:39
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