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[Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] this week we load up the flying garage ship for a tragic mystery far away some
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may say across the pond over to an island in the North Atlantic touching down in Ireland as of 2016 the
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population of Ireland was about 6.6 million people ranking it one of the most populous islands in all of Europe
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the geography of Ireland comprises of low-lying mountains surrounding a central plain the climate is influenced
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by the Atlantic Ocean and thus very moderate the winters are milder than most would anticipate but the summers
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are cooler than most of those in continental Europe Irish culture has significantly influenced other cultures
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and shares many features with that of Great Britain including the English language and sports like football rugby
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horse-racing and golf but none of that of course is why we are here no we are here due to the result of circumstances
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that are truly unpleasant we are here because of Ireland's vanishing triangle which is a term commonly used by the
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media when referring to a number of high-profile disappearances during the 90s over a span of about five years and
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four months at least eight women vanished from an 80-mile area outside Dublin in the lynnster area and what
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became known as the vanishing triangle six of these cases are particularly well known because of the investigations they
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precipitated due to similarities some believe a serial killer or serial killers were active in this area during
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this time the Irish police have set up many investigative operations and unfortunately much of this effort has
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failed to produce any substantial clues we often see that law enforcement will not show their hand in most
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investigations as a simple but intelligent strategy and is only when desperation truly sets in that they do
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so and that is the case here with the triangle you see the nature of these disappearances are so unexplained and
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random that the Irish media needed to create an ominous moniker similar to that of the Bermuda Triangle to truly
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convey the full scope of this mystery but the name was created by the media and therefore does not tell us of the
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level of desperation on the part of the investigators no it is their actions that take us beyond the curtain most
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rewards are offered up as a bounty for an arrest leading to a conviction of a perpetrator of a crime or crimes in
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these cases a reward is offered up for information resulting in the recovery of a body this week join us as we take a
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focused look at the first case in a series of disappearances of young women so pattern and perplexing it became
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known as Ireland's vanishing triangle this is true crime garage and this is the case of Annie McCarrick
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[Music] [Music] anemic Eric was the only child of parents John and Nancy McCarrick she was
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born in March of 1966 and lived with her parents in Bayport on Long Island in the
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great state of New York she was very close with her parents John was a retired New York City police
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officer cheers to the boys and girls in blue and Nancy was a school administrator helping to educate and
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raise America's youth Nancy's parents were born in Ireland and Annie grew up loving Irish culture in fact Bay port
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was populated with thousands of Irish immigrants and Annie grew up steeped in Irish culture and Irish Catholic
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traditions while she was enrolled at Skidmore College this was in 1987 Annie took a trip to the Emerald Isle she fell
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in love with Ireland and transferred to National University of Ireland at Maynooth and Dublin to finish her BA
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after she graduated her parents insisted that she returned to the u.s. to get a graduate degree which she did obtaining
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a master's degree in English from su NY Stony Brook but in January of 1993 against mom and dad's best wishes the
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then 25 year old Annie returned to Ireland she had lots of friends from her college days there and it sounds like
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that's really where her heart was well she is going to need somewhere to live when she returns there so while looking
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for a flat to lease she's going to shack up with some of her old friends this is
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an engaged couple their names Hilary Brady which just point out that's that's a man baby and read a fortune Hilary was
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the brother of an ex-boyfriend of Annie's his name is Philip Brady she eventually settled in the idyllic
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upscale seaside suburb of Dublin call this is called Sandymount where one of her literary idols the poet James Joyce
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had once resided even though she already had a graduate degree any plan to take courses at st. Patrick's Training
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College to get her degree in education so she could teach high school English she supported herself by working long
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hours as a waitress at a place called cafe Java where customers loved the the pretty sweet young American girl that
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worked there her best friend from Bay Port Blue Point High School on Long Island Linda ring house said of Annie
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she had a love affair with Ireland quote she loved the food she loved the people
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she loved the music she loved the books and she loved the scenery she jokingly says she even loved
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the plants Linda said that Annie told her quote it's almost like I lived there in a previous life Annie was 5 foot 8
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inches tall so a tall woman with strong features intense eyebrows and an unruly curly dark hair she has been described
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as vivacious and friendly a total people person who loved company who was always
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smiling and outgoing but probably a little naive in general about people now let's take a moment here to address the
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setting for our listeners who aren't familiar with Ireland and the Dublin area specifically the Republic of
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Ireland is a democratic nation which had a population in 1993 the year that Annie
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moved there of about 3.5 eight million people now it's a separate country from Northern Ireland which is much smaller
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and is part of the United Kingdom the quiet residential area of Dublin where Annie lived is just six kilometers or
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about 3.75 miles from downtown Ireland is a very safe country in general in 2017 for example there were only
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41 homicides Sandymount where Inez flat was was one of the safest areas of Dublin Annie told friends that she felt
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much safer there than she did back home in New York in fact one of the women who
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worked with Annie at Cafe Java said that Annie would often walk home alone sometimes this is even at like 3:00 in
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the morning mm-hmm all right captain on to the disappearance a little warning here though first Annie was not abducted
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in the sense that no one claims to have seen her being tossed into a vehicle or to have heard a scream or really
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anything of that nature so we are going to go through about three days of what we know and included in this are some
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things that have been reported but may not actually be confirmed these could some of these things are unconfirmed so
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as you will see there is no clear timestamp here in our timeline where we can say for certain
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okay here is when things started to go wrong or at this time we know Annie is in trouble the three days we are going
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to go through will be a Thursday Friday and Saturday with really the day in question primarily being the Friday
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March 26th 1993 okay so listen closely and captain chime in if anything I say gets confusing okay the police are
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Guardi as the irish national police force is called were able to reconstruct some of Annie's movements leading up to
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her disappearance we know that she worked at Cafe Java on Thursday evening and when she finished her shift she had
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said that she would come in the next day which would be Friday this to collect her wages and drop off some homemade
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pies she was a was quite the Baker so often the restaurant or whatever you want to call Cafe Java
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they would pay her to to bake things at home and then she would bring them in and they would they would sell them
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there mm-hmm her next scheduled shift was on Saturday okay so Thursday evening she works tells her employer or
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coworkers I'm coming in tomorrow to collect my wages and drop off these homemade pies however she's not
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technically working on Friday that's her day off her next actual work shift schedule is on Saturday so this
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leads us to the Friday morning yes that's correct what we know that takes place early on
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Friday morning we have her two roommates who says that they they kind of say goodbye to Annie at this point these are
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two ladies that she shared her flat with and Sandymount and a complex called st. Catherine's
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Court the two other ladies this is Ida Walsh and Jill Twomey were headed off to visit their families and what they
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popped into Annie's room simply just to say goodbye hey we're getting ready to leave at this time they say that Annie
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was sitting up in bed and she was knitting she told Ida and Jill does she plan to go for a walk that day and we're
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gonna refer to this I this to me seems more of a like planned hike not just a walking around town situation but in all
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the reports it's often referred to as a walk hiking seems to be something that Annie
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did fairly regularly and we'll get into that a little bit more as that's fairly important to the story now the two of
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them her two roommates say that they left the flat at 8:50 a.m. and so now Annie is going to have the apartment to
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herself for that weekend she did have some upcoming plans as well she planned a dinner party for herself at the flat
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with friends to celebrate her birthday now her birthday was a well what five days before yeah so we know
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she had some plans and we have a general version for that weekend of what the plans are to be but now we're gonna
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start getting into some things that we don't know exactly what happened but we also know that the following weekend so
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she has plans for that weekend Saturday I'm gonna make some food for my friends we're gonna have a little get-together
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here following week my mother's gonna come into town correct so she's got things that she's looking forward to as
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well you know she's got Friday off all depends on if you like your mother or your friends
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she's got Friday off she tells her her employer hey I'm gonna stop by for these reasons we know she's scheduled to work
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on Saturday her dinner party's going to be after her shift on Saturday and then as you stated mom is coming into not
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town not just the town into the country to visit me in about a week now we do know some things that happen for certain
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one we have CCTV footage that captured an e at the Allied Irish Bank and Sandymount sometime before 11 a.m. right
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I get a little frustrated here with these reports captain because it's it's closed-circuit TV footage saying that
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this is sometime before 11:00 a.m. so to me it's not really clear how this time frame is not more specific or more exact
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because entering these LAN video every CCTV camera their clock is always wrong yeah we're on we've done like 380
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episodes so we've covered well over a hundred cases and any time there's security footage involved they've never
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seemed to have the clock right right there's a tricky thing it's it's it's really what time is it now nobody knows
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nobody knows so it says some time before 11:00 a.m. in the reports that I found now she is visible on the CCTV footage
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wearing a knee-length coat and carrying a Satchel at the bank she is there chatting and talking with staff who say
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they knew her these are people that say not only was that Annie but we we know her not just you know as a customer
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whatever we've seen her multiple times there apparently there are a few different versions and you and I were
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talking about this in the garage earlier of what her activities were were that day and the wig well were were what time
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is it now uh who knows um clocks are off by about an hour there are stories that say she was simply
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making a deposit or withdrawal right the more specific reports that I've read captain's say that she was actually
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transferring an account to this branch from another branch from a different area of town and making a bit of a leap
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here right and I've heard the opposite that she's actually taking her money out of this bank to open up a different
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different account and a different Bank okay so I'm making a bit of a leap here but but if we go back to what we do know
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we know that she fairly recently moved to this specific area so it does seem likely that she could be transferring an
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account to this branch she has a car but the car you will notice is really absent
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from this story my understanding is that it was a manual transmission and you know how does some people buy those and
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they don't know how to operate a manual transmission it sounds like she wasn't comfortable doing so and so you'll see
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throughout this story she's often walking places yeah or that's getting on a bus that's
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our community was set up anyways it was not that far from Dublin so it was considered the best spot to live if you
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wanted to commute in and out of Dublin this this sounds like a idyllic place to live if you like okay you got a little
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bit of schooling you want to finish up you got this cool job working at cafe Java you can walk basically everywhere
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that you need to get be it to a pub or to the bank or wherever sounds like a fantastic place now my thought is
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because she recently moved there maybe she was transferring an account for whatever reason regardless of what she
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was doing there that day we know several things once she's seen by people that know her right and she is captured on
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surveillance footage yeah and you can see the footage for yourself and just by looking at a handful of pictures of
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Annie and then looking at that footage it's very clear that's a hundred percent of her and I'm gonna make another leap
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here that I think is spot-on my friend not only because we've seen it a million times but the next part of the timeline
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kind of clears this up right so she then goes to the Quinns Worth supermarket where her receipt which would later be
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found in her apartment the receipt is time-stamped for 1102 11:02 a.m. for that day so that tells you that yes the
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the clock on the surveillance footage is wrong and so they they know that it was
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before 11:00 because she was at the supermarket at 11:00 making these purchases on her way back to her flat
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she used a public phone kiosk to make two phone calls that we know of she could have I want to stress this she
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could have made more calls but we are aware of what two of these calls were and again this is 1993 so that the
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public phones everywhere yeah pay phone a public phone kiosk sounds so much nicer than pay phone and I don't
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know if it's the same thing and maybe you don't have to pay I don't know but my understanding is that the
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phone they had in their flat their landline didn't always work and so it was not uncommon for her to use one of
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these public phones now let's get to the calls one of the phone calls was to her
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friend Hillary just confirming that he and Rita would be coming over for dinner on Saturday just to firm that up a bit
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the second call was to a female friend named Ann O'Dwyer Annie invited Ann to go hiking with her
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later that day the chosen location for the hike is an area called NS Kerry according to their visitor website the
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village of Ennis Cary is located just 30 minutes south of Dublin City and is the
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gateway to Wicklow which is referred to as the Garden of Ireland widely regarded
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as one of Ireland's most charming villages and as Kerry is a wonderful place to visit live and work in
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that's not my endorsement that's from their website yeah well more I don't think their websites going to go coming
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there it's it's a real gut real dump more importantly to our story is that one of Annie's favorite this is one of
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her favourite areas to hike and she had been there many times before often with this friend that she's calling and
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asking hey do you want to go with me later today for a hike right right we've done this before let's do it again again
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judging from what I could see on their site on their website this is a very scenic area with waterfalls and gorgeous
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views so I've seen pictures it's a real dumpster fire it makes sense that this would be a desired place to go hiking
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now and her friend not Annie and Anne gets a little confusing and her friend that she
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invited had recently suffered an injury to her ankle an ankle injury and she told Annie that she could not go along
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with her that day and he then tells Ann hey that's fine I hope you feel better but I might go anyway by myself
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so this call to Ann was really the last known contact Annie had with any of her friends at this point it appears that
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Annie returned to her flat right it is not known exactly what she did in the next couple of hours but it seems that
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she made some pies and did some laundry sometime after 1 p.m. a plumber saw Annie leaving the
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apartment complex heading toward the new Grove Avenue bus stop he says the two said hello as they recognized each other
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a second witness this is Bruno borsa owner of a shop nearby says he saw Annie flag down the departing number 18 bus
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shouting for it to stop this bus was headed along to a Western Lee route to Rana lay and it did not run very often
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captain so Annie's flagging this bus down rather than waiting and waiting and waiting for the next one to arrive
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the bus stopped and she boarded the bus and the bus drove off before we move on I do want to note something here we have
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the plumber who says that sometime around 1:00 o'clock is when he saw Annie I don't know what he's using to judge
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this this time off of you know I don't under I don't think he's saying hey I looked at my watch and I saw her walk by
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it at 10 after one regarding the the items that we get into after this in the timeline it would actually seem that
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that time stamps should be pushed back a little further that this likely happened
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around 2:00 or 2:30 which doesn't really mean much I mean we just have somebody an eyewitness saying yeah I saw her
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leaving the complex and I believe it was around this time it might in fact be just a little bit later now in Rana lay
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Annie was seen by a former colleague someone who says they knew her well what she's seen waiting in line for the
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number 44 bus this is around 3:40 p.m. this bus was the one that ran to Anna's carry which would be about 12 miles away
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in the Wicklow Mountains where Annie told her friend and that she had planned to go on the hike right
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the colleague named Amir O'Grady did not get a chance to speak to Annie as she sat down stairs on the bus while Annie
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sat in the upper deck while when a mere got off I guess they got off in in Milltown is a mirror guy or girl a girl
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what she says that she did not see Annie get off the bus at any time so her assumption is that Annie was still on
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the bus when a mere gets off and then you know she gets Annie's getting off at a different stop later what's strange
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about this is according to this timeline Annie would not have arrived in the mountains to begin her hike until around
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4:15 p.m. in late March sunset was typically at 6:45 p.m. so a lot of people have brought this up that it
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seems like she's going to a lot of trouble to go on a hike that might be less than two hours or lasts about two
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hours and she's taken two buses that's not that big of a deal but but she's traveling far from home to a desolate
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area it's not that far hmm I think that's under 20 miles I think that's debatable where where I
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can bat that that debate is I'm a person that enjoys hiking however most of the hikes I go on are fairly short and in
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fact they're shorter than two hours so kind of seems like you don't like hiking no the trail that I like is is close to
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my home and you can take it three different routes one would take you about an hour and a half one takes an
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hour one takes about 40 minutes I prefer the hour-long one selfishly because a lot of the podcasts I listen to her
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about an hour long so the the hour-long trail works well for me but to to the defense of the people that say hey this
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seems like a lot of movement here to go hiking by yourself for a short period of
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time the trail that I take that's on that short Pike is very close to my home it's it's
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incredibly convenient nevertheless all of these sightings of Annie on Friday the 26th seem to be accepted by the
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Guardi as pretty reliable which I guess it seems pretty logical because either the witnesses were all people who were
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acquainted with Annie you know such as the the former colleague Amir or they were able to describe her accurately
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enough that police were comfortable that their information was correct so let's dive into that right after this quick
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the book I yeah are you into basketball as much as you are anti-gay more so because it requires no hiking these next
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two sightings of Annie are much more up for debate and rightfully so because I think you'll agree with me captain there
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are some serious question as to whether they are accurate or not so a woman who worked at the post office and Ennis
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Carey who was interviewed this is in the weeks after Annie's disappearance said that a tall American woman came in on
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that Friday to buy some stamps remember that since Annie was not native to Ireland she would have stood out simply
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by virtue of her accent rain and remember also that these are small towns really villages where people know each
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other and recognize faces but let's keep in mind no one can say for certain if it
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was Annie that the postal clerk saw but let's say that it was and that the clerk
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is correct if she was correct then Annie was at the post office and in his carry
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between 4:00 and 5:00 p.m. this would mean that perhaps Annie decided to hang around in his carry rather than go
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hiking the next sighting is one that is hotly debated it is a sighting supposedly of Annie at Johnnie Fox's pub
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between 9:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. this pub dating all the way back to 1798 is a known tourist destination referred to as
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Ireland's highest pub because of its mountain setting at nine hundred and twenty feet above sea level and Annie
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had been there or this would not be her first rodeo as they would say oh this is a tourist
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hotspot there you go there there were an estimated 350 people there that evening
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a lot of people out of bar after seeing Annie on the news a bouncer named Sam Duran came forward
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and told the guard Yvette he remembered seeing a woman that night who he was certain was Annie right he was the guy
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the bouncer at the front of the bar collecting there was a cover charge that night because there was music that's
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correct yeah she's trying to get into this it's like a separate event area of Johnny
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Fox's the Huli room that was putting on a traditional Irish folk music show where I would be seen there river
00:37:20
dancing my face off right the bouncer told her that there was a two-pound cover charge and he says that she seemed
00:37:29
surprised by this and began to you know she's rummaging through her bag looking for money to pay the cover well on this
00:37:37
gentleman has a very thick Irish accent and so that's another thing that would give any away would be the fact that she
00:37:46
was American spoke English but with that American accent right well and this is where I think the unless she was like
00:37:55
one of those posers that started like trying to talk like she's Irish she's living there or or an Irish lady that is
00:38:04
opposed or trying to speak sound American right what is that movie crap I can't think of it it's one of the oh
00:38:14
that doesn't much one of the diehards where right where the foreign terrorist guy he's like all you have to do is chew
00:38:20
gum and you sound American oh it's pretty easy to do it possible so to say Walmart a lot the the thing
00:38:27
though too that I think gets a little dicey with a lot of this is five foot eight fairly tall you know it's above
00:38:34
average height for a lady she has an American accent it's almost like but the dumb thing
00:38:42
though two is that she does have Irish features she does but could you see a situation where somebody gets confused
00:38:49
because they saw a tall American woman just made the leap that it was in fact a nanny especially in a place like this
00:38:59
that is known for tourism you know to have a lot of tourists visiting this seems like a very American thing to go
00:39:05
to if you're visiting Ireland well first we have the plumber I question that just
00:39:10
based on the time as far as like did he see her probably he saw her what time was it one was it closer to 11 we've
00:39:20
seen constantly with eyewitness reports than being completely wrong and so could
00:39:26
he did he see Annie on her way to the bank I don't know but at least we know that somebody saw her that day but that
00:39:34
doesn't matter anyways because we have our on CCTV then she's flagging down this bus
00:39:41
possibly she would probably be more known to people in her area anyways because she's working on a coffee shop
00:39:49
and how many of those individuals go in and get coffee and and and see her maybe
00:39:54
not know her personally but no or through no of her yeah yeah and it's and there's probably not you know the these
00:40:01
there's a handful of American students in school with her and so they were all kind of popular by default so we don't
00:40:12
know we have no a hundred percent proof that she got on that bus we don't have any kind of record that she bought a you
00:40:22
know a token or bought a pass for the bus we have no clue so we have no clue if she even got on the bus from there we
00:40:33
have somebody that supposedly knows her but doesn't actually make contact doesn't speak with her yeah right so
00:40:40
again there's been several times that I've been places where I thought I saw somebody oh that's my buddy and you
00:40:48
start walking over nope that's not my buddy is that possible it's definitely impossible here
00:40:55
so really we have no proof where she's ahead at all and so can we you know there was actually a investigator from
00:41:10
Scotland Yard mm-hmm that worked this case and he he kept saying if you get to this point that were at this bar and you
00:41:21
believe this individual and he believed this bouncer and he says I know honor to
00:41:29
present for certain it was this a girl again he doesn't know her right so other than pictures in his memory and he's he
00:41:37
sees her on the news and he's like oh yeah I that Friday she was in line and I I remember telling her it's two pounds
00:41:45
well it's not even like it's it's not later that night he's telling somebody this it's not and look again I'm not
00:41:52
faulting this this man I just I believe he's trying to help this situation I just questioned if seeing that many
00:42:02
people that night in a touristy area if he was in fact right and here's the other thing too when you see a picture
00:42:10
of somebody on the news you know we've done this with other disappearances or really other victims in general right
00:42:17
you see one picture of that person and I mean with Amy Mahalo Vic she's got that
00:42:23
one famous missing-persons poster right the flyer and if you look at some of her
00:42:28
other pictures or that video of her up in front of the classroom giving a presentation she doesn't look like that
00:42:35
famous photo of her yeah and what I'm getting at with that is what did this gentleman see on the news to lead him
00:42:43
down the road of oh yeah I saw her and I think we should add a little more detail
00:42:47
because he does have a little more detail to his sighting what she was saying that she is searching for the
00:42:53
money and then this gentleman behind her was like I'll pay for both yeah he says
00:42:58
a a man in his late 20s who was standing behind her in line offered to pay for them both but this also makes somewhat
00:43:08
sense they would have been similar ages and he said regardless if it was a m-- or an e
00:43:14
or not the woman accepted his offer right the bouncer says that this man was at least 5 foot 8 inches tall wearing a
00:43:25
three-quarter length waxed canvas jacket he's of athletic build clean-shaven with
00:43:32
a short military-style haircut he was holding a pint of beer the as we said the man paid and an E or the woman
00:43:41
thanked him and she walked into the holy room with him the bouncer he called this
00:43:48
gentleman flat chested with broad shoulders which is you know I've never actually heard that term he was
00:43:56
describing all the athletic build mm-hmm so I've never heard flat chested what what that would mean for a man flat
00:44:07
chested broad shoulders I'm guessing just maybe skinny yeah athletic build but um but he would have a good okay if
00:44:16
Annie's 5/8 and let's just assume it's her then he would have a good indication of how tall this individual was oh he's
00:44:24
roughly about the same height that's her maybe a little bit taller yeah 5 8 to 5
00:44:29
10 yes and that's what I think the the specific report says that in that 5 foot 8 to 5 foot 10 range he also says that
00:44:37
he does not recall seeing an e or at least the woman he believes to be an e again at any time that night and
00:44:46
according to the Long Island Daily News and exhaustive canvassing of the area turned up no one else who recalled
00:44:54
seeing her at Johnny Fox's that night Bosse I have different reports that a handful of people said it was possible
00:45:04
that they saw her that that night backed up the bouncers story but what we can agree on here is it's far from clear
00:45:13
whether Annie was actually at Johnny Fox's at all that night or if there was just American with Burnett American
00:45:20
roughly five six five eight in this pub yeah that's a tourist hotspot the other thing too is
00:45:27
the pub Johnny foxes is about 3.5 miles from Anna's carry in a village of Glen :
00:45:35
if Annie was there we don't have anybody telling us how she got there and what was she doing in the in
00:45:44
iscariot area all evening leading up to this because this is between 9:00 and 11:00 p.m. at night that she's
00:45:52
supposedly seen at at Johnny Fox's great so there's nearly a four-hour time period between these supposed sightings
00:46:00
of when Annie was I mean she's unaccounted for so something really this could if this is not Annie and all in
00:46:08
these other sightings and something happened before this well before this right it's really difficult but most
00:46:15
investigators believe the friend that saw her getting onto the next bus to take her to her destination take her to
00:46:24
the place that she told people she's gonna go hike that day mm-hmm most investigators believe that
00:46:31
eyewitness so if you believe that I witness she is in that area yes this pub is three points some miles away that's
00:46:42
not that far depending on which part did she hike did she meet up with people did she call her a friend you know Ann
00:46:52
and her leg was you know hurt and she called somebody else right there somebody that she knew from her past
00:47:00
male or female that she this was like well I'll call them when I get up there or she made additional calls at that
00:47:09
that public phone right we just don't know of I mean or possibly made another stop at a different phone because again
00:47:16
I don't know how big that City is but back in the early 90s there's payphones all over the place at
00:47:24
least here so I'm just assuming that there'd be more than one local phone that should make call that the other
00:47:32
thing that we have to question too is at some point in the night the buses will stop running so if she
00:47:39
was at at Johnny Fox's at 11 p.m. you know yeah that's at the later end of that possible sighting of her but if she
00:47:50
is there at that time how was she planning on getting back home to Sandy mal if in fact she
00:47:56
intended to go there right and I did see our friend Jessica pointed out that somebody on reddit so take this with a
00:48:05
grain of salt we don't know I take everything with a grain which I guys she said that somebody on reddit stated that
00:48:12
taxis back in 1993 in that area were very uncommon so once the buses were done it seems
00:48:19
like your public transportation options are nil so you're going to have to rely on somebody else to get you back home or
00:48:29
stay with somebody that yeah but let's break this down real quick so we know that she hits the bus roughly about 1
00:48:38
something that leads her to another bus around 3 something right yeah well okay so yeah so that that bus would get her
00:48:48
into this area about 3:30 maybe 4 o'clock yes she would have been there at 4:15 okay so roughly four o'clock and
00:49:01
when we get there let's just if I'm gonna go on a hike let's say it's two hours that's gonna put me in about 6:15
00:49:12
6:30 yeah by then I need to make my plans on if I'm going back right but if you're hanging out with some friends
00:49:23
right you made some other arrangements you're meeting up with the guy now you have other options and so what's
00:49:36
interesting is we have these sightings of Annie but in this crucial time like you said where you're gonna have to make
00:49:44
some arrangements it seems like we have no sightings of her right and here's the
00:49:50
other thing that you have to consider in this thought if she made plans with other people or another person that we
00:49:57
are just unaware of right we're unaware of that person because they chose not to
00:50:01
come forward and tell us hey I hung out with Annie that evening that means that person did something is responsible or
00:50:08
knows what happened to her yeah so here's some other things that that I think we should consider as well
00:50:17
and this is where it makes it even more confusing regarding the the whole Johnny
00:50:22
Fox possible sighting it was later discovered that there was another American woman there at Johnny Fox's
00:50:31
that night that Friday night who actually resembled Annie and was dressed in a similar manner okay apparently this
00:50:40
other woman really confused things in the course of the guard E's investigation because it was unclear
00:50:47
which you know which sightings were of this other woman in which sightings were that of Annie so much in so much so that
00:50:56
in fact the guard II tracked down this other woman and asked her not to wear certain types of clothing because when
00:51:05
she when she did they kept getting phone calls saying hey I spotted Annie at this
00:51:10
place I spotted it I saw Annie the missing woman at this place right we're gonna need you to only wear bikini tops
00:51:16
from now on yeah and it turned out to be you know turned out to be her now didn't
00:51:22
I right but here's what we know for certain this this lady went to that bar there's eyewitnesses of the that girl
00:51:28
being at that bar they tracked her down she's alive and I'm gonna tell you that to me this this sighting doesn't mean
00:51:35
anything later but we'll have to get there well what what I have in my notes here is that the woman as you said they
00:51:44
spoke with her she says that she she was not the woman in line that got paid for
00:51:51
the cover charge got paid for by some man that she didn't know right she says I was there with my mother mm-hmm so and
00:51:59
she would have remembered hey this guy paid for me right like so I think that clears up
00:52:07
that there was another American girl in that bar somebody paid for her way and not this lady according to a 2009 teen
00:52:17
article appearing in university express entitled Ireland's vanishing triangle unanswered anemic Eric this alleged
00:52:28
sighting the Johnny Fox one that we've really gone round around about is now strongly believed not to have been Annie
00:52:37
at all but just as you stated some other American person likely a tourist other sources are certain that the bouncer saw
00:52:47
Annie that night but truly what I think we can agree on here captain the upshot here is we don't know for certain
00:52:55
whether it was Annie or not it sounds like both you and I are leaning toward that it was not you know that's not my
00:53:02
that's not what I think oh I'm sorry no I was saying it's a possibility though that's weird that they're they're
00:53:11
making claims that they don't think it's her you know the only other claim we have other claims of people in the bar
00:53:19
that say that they possibly saw her it could have been the other girl that looked like her but we have another like
00:53:27
you're saying the stamps was within that vicinity as well yes much earlier but but about three and a half four miles
00:53:39
away right but again it's maybe fifteen minutes to walk a mile right so now one thing we do need to state here and our
00:53:50
regular listeners will not be happy to hear this at all this is according to Irish Times to an
00:53:57
Irish Times article about Annie's disappearance she was known to hitchhike around Dublin even at night and even by
00:54:05
herself apparently many young people at the time considered this a valid form of
00:54:11
transportation that it was safe to do this in this area we did mention how safe Ireland
00:54:16
is and this area specifically so yeah it's so safe that we have a triangle of missing women right right so safe so is
00:54:26
it possible that then it was Annie at the pub and maybe she planned to hitchhike her way back to the apartment
00:54:33
complex after the pub closed or after that going to that show and when she did something bad happened or as we said
00:54:44
perhaps she met up with someone or perhaps she hit it off with the man who paid for her in line and then things
00:54:51
went bad yeah but there also a lot of people at the bar believe that not only did this man pay
00:54:56
for her to get in but that they set together and he actually bought her drinks all night now if that's true and
00:55:03
a lot of people believe that if it was Annie in the bar that she would have had to be there with somebody paying for
00:55:09
things because she didn't have the kind of money that she could go to this is a this is not just a normal pub there this
00:55:17
is a tourist hotspot so what do they do with the prices they jack him up my friend right they jack him up top dollar
00:55:25
yeah that's what she said Jack him up but so a lot of her friends a lot of people speculate if she was in the bar
00:55:35
that she would had to be with somebody that would be paying for the drinks and to me that's more likely that she'd be
00:55:41
getting a ride back to their place or they would or they told her I'll give you a ride back or whatever it would be
00:55:48
but it's also like I said it's not extremely far away it's not like she's 50 miles from home a hundred miles from
00:55:57
home she's within 20 miles from our house yeah and again that leads us to the other problematic portion of the
00:56:06
story if in fact she did meet up with this man this man in his 20s who it sounds like
00:56:14
the bouncer has reason to believe that this man didn't did not know Annie prior to offering to pay for the two of them
00:56:21
to get in we've already mentioned her picture on the news we've already mentioned that this was actually a
00:56:28
really big invent negation over there at this time part of that is because it's an American woman
00:56:35
in another country missing part of that is we have a lot of missing girls now on
00:56:41
top of that we have a missing American well she's the first in she's the first in the series so these other ones
00:56:48
haven't occurred yet all of them and won't rain on my parade we'll get into that in tomorrow's
00:56:54
episode but what I want to point out here again we have another situation where we talked about earlier if she's
00:57:00
meeting up with somebody that knew her that was supposed to be her friend and they've never come forward that's highly
00:57:06
suspicious same situation here if she sat and spoke with this man hung out with him that night long enough for him
00:57:13
to get to know her and he's never come forward then you have to be highly suspicious that's why identified young
00:57:21
man that was at hunting foxes that's why I believe the bar of the bouncer sorry the bouncer assumed that these two were
00:57:29
together the actions and with age I'm looking for money all don't worry about it I got it
00:57:36
again if it was just somebody that you just bumped into a line and you heard about this girl going missing inland I
00:57:43
paid for her way to get into that pub make her a phone call to the police all by the way how was the man that paid for
00:57:50
that lady's way to get into the pub I don't know her I was there with another group of friends we didn't even sit with
00:57:59
her or maybe we did sit with her but we don't know what happened to her because we never saw her leave you I mean if it
00:58:07
was purely innocent where the person didn't know this girl then why wouldn't they come forward and just say oh yeah
00:58:14
we saw her at the bar I paid for a way to get in and I would say I don't know her but so to me if this girl was Annie
00:58:22
she was there at a bar with somebody that she knew what we do know that happened is the following day on
00:58:31
Saturday Annie did not show up for her shift she had a morning shift at work she does not arrive to this this is
00:58:39
completely out of character for her there's like a part day shift yeah then she's gonna have her friends
00:58:45
come over friends come over and she's not there mm-hmm yeah so no one I guess really raised the alarm when she didn't
00:58:57
show up for work it sounds like the alarm bells start going off that Saturday evening when Hilary and Rita
00:59:04
the two friends showed up at the flat at Annie's flat and 8:00 p.m. this is for their planned dinner party they say no
00:59:13
one answered the door after repeated knocking the pair eventually decided hey let's go to this pub sit down for a
00:59:21
little bit maybe she's running late or whatever's going on and she's not home yet we'll kill about a half an hour they
00:59:28
try to they try to swords yeah sorry about that they go to the pub and then about a half hour later they return to
00:59:36
Annie's flat they're knocking again knocking again still receiving no response eventually they went home yeah
00:59:44
probably a little confused a little upset they had only expecting a dinner right right they decided to try to call
00:59:52
the flat to try to call Annie but apparently I guess they realized they did not have the number so they called
01:00:00
Nancy Annie's mother who was at home just to get the number say hey we're trying to get ahold of Annie we realized
01:00:08
we don't have her phone number right they told Nancy that Annie wasn't home for their planned dinner date but Nancy
01:00:16
too did not really make much of this cause she got stuck at work there could have been an emergency that should just
01:00:24
end lane bei know about yet no no need to panic after a couple hours correct meanwhile Annie's roommates they
01:00:33
returned Sunday evening and found that Annie had never unpacked her Quinn's worth bag of groceries that she had
01:00:41
bought she made these purchases on Friday it was it was sitting just inside the front door with things like meat
01:00:49
cream and butter inside things that should have been refrigerated it was later confirmed that the bag
01:00:56
contained everything Annie purchased at the grocery store that Friday they also found wet laundry this is
01:01:04
Annie's clothing wet laundry in the communal washing machine for the apartment complex this is where it's so
01:01:12
confusing for me first it seems like that time where you got friends coming over the next day mm-hmm yo you went and
01:01:21
did a little errand maybe got money from the bank maybe switched your account then you get a little food from the
01:01:29
grocery store now you got to come back you're doing a bunch at once gonna do a little cleaning got to put the groceries
01:01:35
away I got to do a load of laundry but normally you don't those things you finish at least you get the the clothes
01:01:46
from the washer into the dryer you at least put the food into the refrigerator it seems like all that got stopped and
01:01:58
it's so strange to me that people just assume that all those things got stopped and then she jumped on a bus and went
01:02:05
for a hike yeah that's what's troubling here and they also found a pie on the counter you know we said Annie was
01:02:16
making some pies and some baked goods for cafe Java then she was going to drop off on Friday remember that's the day in
01:02:25
question there's a pie on the counter so this is what the roommates find when they get home Sunday evening and
01:02:32
eventually they hear from Hilary the friend that was supposed to come over Saturday evening right they called the
01:02:39
flat he calls the flat speaks with the two roommates who have now returned and says look yeah she wasn't home when we
01:02:46
tried to go there yesterday for our scheduled birthday dinner party and now the roommates and the friends over the
01:02:54
phone are starting to put some things together and say hey this doesn't seem right here something here just does not
01:03:00
feel right so Hilary the friend calls up Nancy mckarrick Annie's mother right closer again and
01:03:09
remember she wasn't worried the first time but now by this point she Annie could have been missing for 72 hours
01:03:15
yeah but it didn't show for work or for her own dinner party right but if I go over to my buddy's house and I open up
01:03:22
the washer and there's a load of clothes in it no big deal people do that all the
01:03:27
time but if I walk into somebody's house and there's bags of groceries maybe just
01:03:32
a couple of them but has maybe milk or me or whatever something that could go bad I'm going there there's an issue
01:03:41
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