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with the murder of 27 women how were these women killed investigators were able to determine that at least some of
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them were shot with a 22 caliber rifle but more details emerged as police interviewed people who had connections
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to pikon these interviews turned up a disturbing number of people who seem to be in the know about some of the goings
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on on this Farm but apparently they never thought to report any of it or were too worried
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about getting in trouble for the minor offenses that they were committing themselves one example pickton's friend
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and employee Scott chub said that pikon had told him a good way to kill a female
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heroin addict was to quote inject her with windshield washer fluid end quote the method of murder would never be
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detected with all her track marks and police would assume that she had simply ODed remember they found syringes on the
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property including syringes found in his trailer his personal trailer that he lived in and pikon did not he was not a
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drug user but he also said that he was offered payment to bring her back to the farm well payment to bring back Lynn
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Ellingson to the farm remember she's the one that is believed may have been blackmailing pikon the person who saw
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the woman hanging from the meat hook in the slaughterhouse right who refused to give information to the
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police if this guy has no problem killing people he's going to have no problem killing the woman who's blackmailing him
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absolutely so we can presume presumably pikon had planned to kill her now chub never brought Lynn Ellingson back to the
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farm for pikon to kill her then we also had an another example would be Andrew Bellwood who was an associate of Robert
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pikon who said that Robert would casually talk about lowering prostitutes to the farm with their drug of choice he
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said that he would have sex with them and sometimes kill them by handcuffing and strangling them and Bellwood said
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that pikon discussed this in such an off-hand manner that that he he kind of believed that he might have been doing
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this for quite some time well it makes sense that he was doing it for quite some time cuz we we know he had many
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victims of course after the charges he's charged with 27 murders Robert pikon proclaiming his innocence on all charges
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he wased scheduled for trial in November of 2002 this date would get delayed time
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and time again a large part of this though is because of the search that we talked about remember it took detectives
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22 months to complete their search of this large pikin farm in the end the painstakingly exhaustive search and
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seizure collected more than 3,000 pieces of evidence from the farm well when you
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have a maniac like this and like I said I think he's a Buffalo Bill meets dmer meets Ed
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Gan you wonder is it the chicken or the egg well if you're asking who is Robert pikon and what is his background he was
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born in October of 1949 his parents were Lise and Leonard pikon the family moved
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to the farm in 1963 it was a fully operational farm for a long time and Robert his brother David
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and his sister Linda they were expected as children to work the f f as well as earning money for the family Picton
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dropped out of school where he was known as a quiet individual he did was partaking in special education classes
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he got a job as a meat cutter so expected to work the farm but also expected to earn money for the family
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and other jobs that the children may have had so once he gets his job as a meat cutter he decides I'm going to drop
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out of school the family's main source of income was from Raising and butchering Hogs and cattle and at one
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time it's recorded that as many as 700 pigs and 120 cows were on the farm but the nature of this environment Captain
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is you have someone but not just Robert you have his sister and brother as well they are used to being around death a
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lot right they're they're running this successful slaughterhouse business where they're
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raising all of these animals and then eventually selling them to to provide for the family to provide
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an income and to continue to fuel the farm itself well and that's I think the problem I think uh Louise and Leonard
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were more concerned about the Weare of the farm than there were their their children I mean we have all these report
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that they' send them to school and unwash dirty clothes and what's that going to smell
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like I mean if you've been on a farm you know what parts of the farm smell like and so they would be bullied and people
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would call them names in school and it just seems like the whole family was working towards this idea of the the
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farm needs to be successful we we nurture the farm we don't really care so much about nurturing our children yeah
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there's I mean there's two sides I guess to that story maybe the the true answer
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lies somewhere in between but you know it's said that uh the mom would not allow the kids to bathe maybe as much as
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necessary and as you pointed out earlier the being surrounded by dead animals blood manure these individuals are going
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to smell terrible uh there's plenty of other persons who say that no Robert pikon just refused to bathe and refused
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to wash and even after his parents passed away that's the lifestyle he maintained well after they were dead and
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gone then times got tough for the family times got real hard when Robert pickton's father Leonard passed away in
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1977 the barns some of the Barnes burned to the ground in 1978 and then his mother died of cancer in 79 trying to
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contribute to the family's income his brother David pikon then started the DNS bulldozing company that we had already
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mentioned and the top soil business around this time Robert Pickton lived on and worked the farm raising and
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eventually B butchering the animals and selling the meat pikon rebuilt the barns
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that had burned down and tried to keep the family business going but it was David's businesses that took over more
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and more of the farmland and his abandoned vehicles and excavation and demolition debris turned the property
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into a filthy dump site cluttered with old junk and garbage pikon eventually gave up on Commercial hog and cattle
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farming in 1980 but continued to raise hogs for friends and family working by day as a
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dump truck driver for his brother yeah and once you give up your dream and start working for your brother your your
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life is over people who knew the p at the time were familiar with the family's property on which David Robert and a
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niece so this would be David's child were living but remember at some point we have a constant stream of people
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coming and going at all hours this would be workers friends Associates and random
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acquaintances in the mid 1990s the pikon siblings decided to cash in on part of their parents property that was left to
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them and they sold off a large chunk of the land for housing a park and a school
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I don't forgive me Captain I don't have the information in front of me as to how
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much land that they sold but they pocketed roughly 5 million Canadian dollar for the sale of this land not a
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bad payday correct and it is the sale of this land that allowed the siblings to start
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to dabble in sex drugs and parties eventually forming the piggy Palace good time society and hosting those Raves
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that some say were attended by a thousand people at a time as many as a thousand people at a time most reports
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however indicate that Robert pikon didn't drink or do drugs despite what was going on on their property but
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grotesquely he did keep up with the hog butchering regularly providing meat to friends and family about twice a week
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pikon would dump six barrels of animal par parts and bodily fluids each holding up to 300 lb of raw waste at the
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Vancouver rendering plant remember when he was being surveilled that's one of the places he went to he was known there
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as the Pigman of course we now know what was likely in some of those barrels on some of those dump occasions but we know
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that Robert pikon is he's he's a maniac he's a sicko but I guess the question then
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becomes when did The Killing start well I think we can go back to he was a Char he was charged with attempted murder in
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1997 this is by a situation where there's one who got away I assume he was already killing by this time frame that
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would make sense and on top of that we could go to the list of without getting too far ahead of ourselves that answer
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is is difficult to deliver here but let's go to that 97 attempted murder charge so this takes
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place in March when robbert pikon picked up a woman named Wendy Lynn Ester eer I'm going to say it both ways because I
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do not know how to pronounce her last name I apologize to Wendy Lynn he picks her up from the low track brings her
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back to his trailer on the farm and she would later tell we know police are involved because he's charged
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she would later tell investigators that she was hitchhiking on her way to the Princeton Hotel this is at approximately
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just before midnight she says Robert pikon picked her up in a red pickup truck offers her $100 for a [ __ ] she
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agrees to this Arrangement but he says that it has to take place at his residence she was not thrilled about his
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request to go all the way out to what she referred to as the suburbs but must have needed the money
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because eventually she agrees to go she says that pikon promised to bring her back to that location no later than 2
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a.m. so they drive to his farm she thinks that he was taking a roundabout route a much longer way to get there
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than necessary when they arrive on the farm he gets out to open up the gate drives in and then locks the gate behind
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them like there there's some indicators here that something isn't right this isn't going to go down as they had
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agreed eventually this leads to an altercation inside his trailer where she says he attempted to kill her but in the
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process she managed to get away and in fact she stabs him with a knife that she pulled from his kitchen but this wasn't
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like in one of those blocks or anything this is just setting out on the the counter like like ready for
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use she stabs him with this knife and eventually M eader managed to stab pikon in the throat causing an 8 in gash at
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some point though pikon gets the knife away from her he stabs her in the abdomen oh God she says he put the knife
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in me and then he lifted it up this guy's a piece of [ __ ] once she was stabbed she thought that she was done
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she was going to die right then and there then all of a sudden she felt go limp so his injury causes him to go limp
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she got the knife back grabbing it at this point they're both too weak to really do anything she told the
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investigators that she slid out from underneath him ran outside around the truck and then just kept running she
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climbed the fence to get out she flagged down a car that was driving by and begged the
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driver and the companion in the vehicle to take her to the hospital so the couple helped her out they let her into
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the car 911 is called on the way to the hospital they flagged down a sergeant a police officer this police officer is
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responding to the scene as well she tells this story to the police they charge him with attempted murder he's
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got a whole different version of the story his version is no I took her to yeah we had this arrangement I took her
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to my house and then she starts freaking out immediately right she attacks me I was just defending myself the short of
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it here Captain this is a rather long story but the short of it is he's charged and later the charges are
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dropped it never it never gets to court to the point of him having to face these
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charges and it's it's a complicated situation so I don't want to just simply say this is where everybody dropped the
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ball and we could have stopped the murders here but this is one of the people that got away thankfully
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I'm very confident saying that he was killing before this attack on this woman I'm very confident saying he intended to
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kill this woman she got lucky she got lucky she had a moment and she seized that moment yeah the moment he went limp
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and got away from this monster unfortunately he wasn't shut down and locked up then
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[Music] all right we are back the captain will not be eating any pork products for
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quite some time cheers to everybody no once again One Bad Apple spoils the whole damn Bunch Robert pikon was
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initially brought to trial on 27 counts of first deegree murder now one of those cases Captain
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was for a Jane Doe this was going to be the first one that would be dismissed and it's dismissed because of of
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insufficient evidence they don't even know who the victim is in that case then the judge this is Justice Williams ruled
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in 2006 that the trial had to be split because trying all 26 charges of murder at once would take too long and place an
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unreasonable burden on the jury I can agree with that so pikon was brought up in the initial trial on the
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six most slam dunk murder charges these are the ones that we think well like we say if there's no body it's hard to
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prove that there's a crime but in these other cases there's bodies so we can prove there's a crime these are the ones
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that we think we're going to get a conviction on he pled not guilty this trial lasted for more than a year wow
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and it included nearly 130 Witnesses and could be the subject of an entire podcast series series itself they
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painted pikon as intelligent and cunning undercutting perceptions of him as dimwitted dumbass as a dimwitted pig
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farmer yeah the Crown's key witness was that Lynn Ellingson that we've talked about this is the woman who testified to
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the dead woman that she saw picked in skinning in his barn Jesus we also get the woman from the
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1997 attack the one that he should have been locked up for she testified as to what pikon
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had done to her in 1997 with with these killers that that seem to be able to kill for an extended
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period of time and have a long list of victims one thing that we stress there's always someone who seems to have gotten
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away and for law enforcement it's one of those it's you just say please no matter
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how hard it is try to find and identify the person who got away they may not even really truly realize that they got
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away from a serial killer now in addition to all of this the crown had evidence on its side of course we have
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DNA of 33 missing women that were found on the farm DNA from 33 missing women was found on that farm so it's it isn't
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known I do not know why he was never were charged for 33 murders it was 27 then reduced to 26 and then the judge
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split the trial to focus in on six cases but he's found guilty so what is the sentence well
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there's overwhelming amount of evidence against him indicating that Robert Pickton was guilty of sin especially in
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these six cases he's convicted on all six counts but it's six count of second deegree murder so this is in December of
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2007 20 other charges of first-degree murder were stayed in 2010 by the judge this is awfully complicated there's a
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lot of moving parts and pieces here so I'll try to sum it up the best that the colonel can so after the conviction of
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the six murders prosecutors had sufficient evidence to charge picked in with the additional 20 killings but they
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decided not to proceed because he's actually already given the maximum sentence that he could receive they say
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this is to spare the families and the court system from further effort in expense of another lengthy trial well
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look I always get frustrated at law enforcement when they don't actually bring the charges to trial but in this
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case I I will differ on that because we know that this guy is a serial killer so
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if we have DNA evidence of one of your family members on that farm and they've never been seen from
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again or heard from again just disappeared Into Thin Air they didn't just disappear most likely he murdered
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them and that's why we have their DNA does that make any sense of course well and and I agree with what you're saying
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I mean if you can't punish him further I get what they're saying but you can't tell me that you have
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sufficient evidence to convict this guy on additional murders and then say well we want to we want to spare the families
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let's Circle that and underline that part real quick that's dumb yeah and the courts from further expense from another
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lengthy trial well had law enforcement jumped on this earlier yeah there you wouldn't
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have had to spend 22 months collecting evidence from the pig farm there wouldn't have been as many victims there
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wouldn't have been as much evidence basically what they're saying is we want to spare the taxpayers in the
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state money to try these cases that we think are slam dunks anyways look and nobody should ever want to victim
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further victimize victims if in fact you are sparing the families from having to sit through this lengthy
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trial that I can agree with that that's fine that's fine but when you have those
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same families later coming out and saying no we weren't happy with this we wanted him to be charged and we wanted
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him to be taken to trial for our loved ones murder and they're telling us they have sufficient evidence to convict him
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on that I think that's I think they owe it to the citizens that they are sworn to protect and the perpetrators that
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they are sworn to face the consequences yeah to put it put the ball in the court
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of the victims you can't say we don't want to further victimize these people when they're going no charge him take
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him to trial so we don't know what conversations took place behind closed doors but that's how it's reported in
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the media that's what these people were saying to the newspapers and to the television cameras we wanted him to be
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charged so this is this is the victims that he was never sent to trial for that are angry the families some of those
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families were quite angry at how this sits today and where it sat at after he's convicted but also you have the
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families of the victims that he was convicted on that they were angry because it got reduced from first
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deegree murder to Second deegree murder it's tough to deduce and to explain and to come to a great conclusion as to
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whether something is second deegree murder or first-degree murder but think of this type we've talked about this
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type time and time again on the show we've talked about this specific type of killer where it's not the sex act it's
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not about the sex no matter how kinky we're talking about no matter how taboo we're talking about the women that he's
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engaging with the women that he is making these arrangements with are willing they they're willing to work out
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an arrangement we've seen that time and time again he's not killing to cover up a crime he's killing because that's what
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he likes that's who he is meaning that all of these essentially are first-degree murder charges or should be
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because that was his intent when he hopped in his red pickup truck and went looking for a victim yeah he was hunting
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this is premeditated first-degree murder yeah and on top of that we have a witness that says hey I saw a dead body
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on hooks as he's chopping her up as if she was some cattle it's a shame that that woman wouldn't have St stuck to
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that story when confronted by police months before he was actually arrested pikon was the longest case in Canadian
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history with thousands of items seized we have 40,000 crime scene photos over 100,000 lab exhibits 98 Witnesses for
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the prosecution and 30 for the defense and half a million pages of documents on June 25th
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2009 the BC court of appeals upheld pickton's convictions picked an appeal to the Supreme Court of
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Canada which in July of 2010 unanimously rejected his appeal the case was over now what about all the people who may or
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may not have known what Robert pikon was up to and said nothing arguably they are
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partially responsible for the continued murders of these poor women certainly some people had to have known pickton's
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activities we do know Lyn Ellingson who later testified against him wasn't willing to work with the cops but later
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testifies against him and Andrew Bellwood I don't know if we can consider them accompli but they're they're
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considered some form of that in my opinion interestingly the lead investigator in the case testified that
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three other people besides pikon were arrested in connection with these deaths or some of the deaths but none that we
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know of were in fact charged with the murders they may have been arrested but as far as we know I've never heard any
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report of anybody else going to trial for this we talked so much about Robert pickton's brother employer co-resident
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of the farm David pikon there's plenty of questions about him that still remain as we've heard multiple people knew or
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strongly suspected that Robert Pickton was up to something did nothing David pton essentially lived on the same
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property it's a large property but lived on the same property with his brother it's very difficult to to say
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that he didn't have some hint as to what was going on if not directly involved in the situation so a couple
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things I'm a little confused on so he gets six counts of second deegree murder he gets life in prison no possibility of
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parole for 25 years but is that charge life imprisonment does he get six life sentences that's what's confusing
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and so then we have we know that there's more victims we have DNA of 30 some victims he's convicted of six he's
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charged at some point with 27 charges and then some people say he confessed to 49 yeah the way that that story plays
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out with the confession is that they placed an undercover off officer in a cell with him or in a neighboring cell
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and I believe Captain this was when he was before the trial for the six homicides and the officer would later
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state that Robert pikon had said to him kind of nonchalantly that he had killed 49 and that he would have got to the
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50th murder had he just not gotten so sloppy at the end yeah this guy was a douche burger with Fri so yeah I he he
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killed many more women unfortunately than the six that he is convicted for the don't wrap me up and Wrangle me into
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a conversation about the courts in Canada or the consequences in his sentence it's complicated for me and
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clearly in the last week didn't have time to dive into Canadian law but um well how dare you well but there there
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are people in Canada who have committed some very heinous crimes that eventually
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get released right and and I'm not faulting the country or its people I love Canada and I love I I have a hard
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time thinking of a person from Canada that I have not enjoyed meeting them or their company blame Canada blame Canada
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but unfortunately what my eyes and ears tell me is that that country sits in a state where they believe or at least the
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way that their their sentencing and consequences and punishments are carried out that they believe that many more
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people are possess the ability to be rehabilitated and moved back into society than what I think actually exist
00:34:48
not just in Canada but on this planet as a whole yes it it's it's sad that that he wasn't held to Greater con
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consquences but let's shift gears here because I wanted to make sure that we saved some time for this they certainly
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saved time for it at the trial the prosecutors at pikon trial took pains to attempt to humanize the
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victims obviously hoping that the jury would not see them as just druggies or sex workers let's give a shout out to
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the Toronto city news that did a 2007 expose releasing writing up profiles of each of the six
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victims for which pikon was convicted sure they all had their problems but very few of us are without
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any so first up uh one of the victims that he was convicted of having killed is Serena Abbott's way we talked about
00:35:48
her inhalers being found and remains being found on the the farm she never really had much of a chance at life
00:35:57
that's the thing like when when people look down upon these other people and when people turn turn away from what
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might be happening when they turn away from the sex workers right well sex workers and drug addicts and and what
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have you keep in mind some of those people ended up at that spot in their lives because they were already
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victimized by somebody else or or victimized by a previous situation they didn't all end up they didn't all go
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skipping down to the low track going this is where I'm going to live the rest of my days no they ended up there
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against their best wishes against the best wishes of their their family members well and it's tough too cuz like
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you said a lot of these individuals are victims themselves and that's how they end up in this situation but if they end
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up murdered they don't have any chance for a comeback story they don't have any chance to to live their life
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the way they once might have dreamed to live out their hopes and dreams and that's that's what sucks or to have fun
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or to love or to be loved or to have meaningful relationships so Serena Abbott's way she was born with fetal
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alcohol syndrome in a bad area of town both of her biological parents died when she was quite young despite her life
00:37:13
working the streets Abbott way was also an activist for the women that she worked with and when her colleagues
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began to disappear she spoke up at rallies and demanded action by local law enforcement
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but unfortunately she joined the growing list this was in August of 2001 at the age of 29 and her remains were dug up on
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the pikon farm we also have Mona Wilson she was removed from a first nation's Reserve in Alberta to find a life that
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varied from extreme happiness to outright misery as a young girl she lived in a treatment center but was
00:37:55
taken out after being found badly beaten in a hallway she was placed with a foster family for years that gave her a
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chance and helped her Blossom that somehow faded as an adult she was living on her own in Vancouver turning toward
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heroin to hide her pain she disappeared in November of 2001 at the age of 26 even as she was trying to kick the
00:38:21
habit and turn her life around Mona left in a vehicle and she was never seen again Angela
00:38:30
jberry she grew up amid the Spectre of alcoholism physical Abuse and Mental Illness so when a boyfriend persuaded
00:38:38
her at 16 to move in with him it seemed like a great escape it wasn't her boyfriend turned out to be a drug dealer
00:38:47
who wound up getting her addicted and she ended up on the streets selling herself to support her habit she worked
00:38:54
for a series of pimps who violently abused her but her family remembers her as a loving daughter with a big smile
00:39:01
and a person who was a wonderful sister she was quiet and polite she had a daughter of her own she was last seen in
00:39:11
June of 2001 we also have Brenda wolf she was briefly addicted to drugs but seemed to
00:39:16
have turned her life around working as a waitress and a bouncer at a local eery she kept in regular touch with her young
00:39:24
daughter she had been evicted from her apartment was living somewhere in the downtown east side that area that we
00:39:30
spoke so much about today and yesterday she asked for government funds for food stating that she had spent all of her
00:39:38
money on her kids Christmas her friends say that she was never a sex worker and in fact worked to defend them if they
00:39:45
were attacked in what's being called a street enforcer role it was because of that identity that so many were
00:39:53
surprised to see her named as one of Robert pickton's victims she disappeared in February of 1999 we have Georgina
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papen both Georgina and her eight siblings were put in foster care early in life so she never really knew her
00:40:09
family by the time she hit 18 she had been living with dozens of different people and hadn't established Roots
00:40:16
anywhere she was said to have an on again off again addiction to drugs but always found time to contact her
00:40:23
daughter who lived with her grandmother she was described as as charming and outspoken she did spend some time in
00:40:32
prison and she was challenged for the custody of her children at some point she was last seen
00:40:40
in March of 1999 by her cousin who says that she was picked up by Robert pikon we have Marne fry she had a much
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different younger life experience than some of the other persons we just discussed she had a loving home and a
00:40:57
family that supported her she even attended Christian school but when Marne Fay had a daughter at the young age of
00:41:03
18 her life changed she was lured into the world of drugs through a local gang and finally wound up on the streets of
00:41:11
Vancouver she did always phone home often multiple times a day her last call came on September 4th
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1999 from then on there was only silence marne's remains were among those recovered from the picked in pig phone
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in 2010 in response to popular pressure the government of British Columbia formally announced a missing women
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Commission of inquiry to look into why The Vancouver Police Department and the RCMP did not until 2002 catch serial
00:41:48
killer Robert Pickton when they had received detailed tips as far back as 1998 the the commission issued a
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comprehensive report in 2012 entitled forsaken it ruled that the initiation of conduct of the missing and
00:42:08
murdered women investigations were a blatant failure the investigations suffered from a lack of leadership and
00:42:17
were marked by a deep bias against the poor often drug addicted victims detective lurmer shener criticism of the
00:42:27
the VPD was read into the record the detectives efforts to get to the bottom of the missing women case were called
00:42:35
heroic Kim Rosso's warnings of a serial Predator had been ignored the commission
00:42:41
heard the commission's report concluded that the Vancouver Police Department should have issued a warning by August
00:42:48
of 1998 that police were investigating a possible serial killer the report stated
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quote by January 23rd 19 1997 Robert Pickton who would become a top suspect in the missing women investigation was
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emerging on the police radar so they look at this in retrospect they review all the information and realize they're
00:43:11
receiving tips about this you have your personnel law enforcement Personnel that
00:43:16
are saying we've conducted our own investigations we see a problem here we believe there's a Serial Predator that
00:43:23
is active in this area and here's your victims here's your victimology and even when this guy was
00:43:31
on their radar as just a suspect it seems like there was little effort to push this thing forward to the
00:43:38
point of a task force and to really getting to the bottom of the problem and correcting an attempt to stop the
00:43:48
problem law enforcement failed to identify that there was a problem failed to alert the public about this problem
00:43:58
only charged him with some of the crimes and so unlike his victims his story continued and his
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story continued until this year on May 19th that's right all in all the DNA of 33 missing
00:44:16
women was found on picton's Farm in various freezers buildings containers shallow Graves pig pens and machines
00:44:25
other unidentified DNA was also found the reality the sad reality is investigators just don't know how many
00:44:32
women Robert pton is actually responsible for killing before his trial investigators placed an undercover
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officer and pikon cell and picked in confessed to his cellmate that he had killed 49 women he said that he idolized
00:44:50
Gary Ridgeway and wanted to commit one more murder than Gary to make it an even 50
00:44:57
he said he had made his own grave by becoming quote sloppy in 2004 the RCMP stated that the list of missing women
00:45:07
could be as high as 69 we will likely never know the identities of all of Robert pickton's
00:45:14
victims who knows whether pikon himself can even recall each one of his slangs even more perplexing is the question of
00:45:24
why since pton has never formally confess to any of the murders other than the jail house confession we will likely
00:45:32
never know the answer to this question either what seems clear though is that pikon benefited from the lucky
00:45:39
convergence of police incompetence and difference and in action on May 19th of this year Robert pickton's luck ran out
00:45:48
for good the 74-year-old serial killer was attacked by another inmate the inmate Martin chist is described as
00:45:56
having a history of assaulting other prisoners it's alleged that Martin speared pton in the head with a sharp
00:46:04
pointed broken broom handle pikon was airlifted to a hospital and put on life support and later died on the last day
00:46:11
of last month may he burn in hell convicted murderer and serial killer Robert pikon has died now pikon had been
00:46:19
serving an indeterminate sentence for six counts of second deegree murder he had lured women from Vancouver's
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downtown East Side to his pig farm and was charged with killing 26 women let's bring in ctv's Andrew Johnson and Andrew
00:46:34
set this up for it the last we heard the 74-year-old was attacked in a Quebec prison now what
00:46:40
happened well Sandy since his conviction Robert pikon has been held in a special
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unit in Maximum Security Prison designed to keep him away from other inmates so news he was attacked there May 19th came
00:46:52
as a surprise we spoke with the Vancouver Sun reporter who first broke that story she was told another inmate
00:46:58
with a history of assaults had been in segregation but was released into pickton's unit and that's where the
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serial killer was speared in the head with something like a broom Quebec Provincial Police say the assault
00:47:10
happened around 5:15 p.m. inside the port carte institution and a 51-year-old suspect was incarcerated following that
00:47:18
attack pikon was reportedly airlifted to the hospital in Quebec City where he was
00:47:22
on life support before his death announced today okay now Andrew over the years the
00:47:29
killer bragged about murdering women remind viewers of his crimes well Sandy pickton's death shuts
00:47:37
the door on the 74-year-old providing any more answers on the other suspected Murders At His Port Coquitlam pig farm
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he targeted vulnerable women on Vancouver's downtown east side many indigenous many drug users so many he
00:47:51
didn't appear to recognize the photos of them in police interviews despite the fact you mentioned pi was serving time
00:47:57
for six killings the remains and DNA of 33 women were found during a search of pickton's farm the killer had bragged
00:48:04
about murdering a total of 49 right and now we'll never know at this point you know I remember over the
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years seeing the the devastated uh faces of the families I know that you spoke to
00:48:16
some of them recently afterward that pikon had been attacked what did they tell you at that
00:48:21
time yeah the families of pickton's victims expressed relief his life may become come to an end after he'd been
00:48:28
attacked one parent felt like her prayers had been answered another called The Man a monster and said she hopes he
00:48:36
burns in Hell the actions of this serial killer tearing apart so many lives and now his is over Corrections Canada says
00:48:44
it's contacted the families of pickton's victims to notify all of them of the death Sandy all right ctv's Andrew
00:48:52
Johnson on the death of Robert Pickton [Music] want to thank everybody for joining us
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Colonel do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners this week Captain we are happy to be
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recommending she's gone five mysterious 20th century cold cases by Kathleen Brunell featuring never before seen seen
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garage and until next time be good be kind and don't litter [Music] [Applause] [Music]