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around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] crime [Music] 24-year-old Nancy kitsmiller played
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soccer throughout high school and at Oklahoma State University where she graduated with a degree in geography she
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returned home after graduation and organized her old high school soccer buddies to play in an indoor soccer
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league she loved her country and western music and was a line dancing fanatic she
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had a big smile blue eyes and long curly brown hair now Nancy wanted to be a cartographer she applied for a job with
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the defense mapping agency headquartered in St Louis for this job she needed top
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secret security clearance this is going to take some time to get and she had been waiting for about a year where we
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pick up our story in May of 1992 so Nancy's finished with school and she's going to work at a store called boot
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Village in St Charles Missouri this is while she's waiting on that security clearance nany's parents say that Nancy
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was expecting that clearance to come within 2 weeks of the time of her death the bogey Hills Plaza boot Village Store
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in St Charles Missouri opened on Sunday May 3rd 1992 at noon that day Nancy was one of several managers that worked at
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the store well this location is going to be similar to some of the other locations in this story where yes it's a
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business but it's surrounded by other businesses but since it's a Sunday the other businesses aren't going to be open
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yeah it's a busy area and some of these stores in this immediate area will be closed due to the Sunday this Western
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Footwear store is located at 2079 zumel or zambile road and I'll spell that because I'm a [ __ ] in the
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garage who can't say things it's Z M be Road Nancy will be working the early shift by herself because business is
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typically slow on a Sunday now sometime between unlocking the doors for business
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that day again at noon and 2:30 p.m. that afternoon someone shot Nancy in the head and did take some
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money from the cast register though there were reportedly plenty of people visiting other retail outlets in the
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area no one comes forward saying that they heard a gunshot a passer by did say that they saw the killer though the last
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customer that Nancy kitsmiller waited on according to this eye witness this person was a male of
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medium height with dull red hair not terribly unlike the description we received from the man retrieving the
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cumber bun right at the bridal shop today the address of 2079 zambo Road houses a St Louis Bread Company the
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boot Village Store is no longer there this is very much much in every way a similar attack to the others a employee
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working in a smaller business by themselves is attacked shot in the back of the head there is some money that is
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stolen from the scene again the location though it's 2079 zambile Road St Charles
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Missouri it's an 8-minute drive to Interstate 70 3 9 miles away wow and you had asked Captain off Mike if we knew
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exactly how much money was taken or how much money was left the general description with all five of these
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events that we are going to go through in the I70 killer timeline the description is all basically the same
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that it is agreed upon by investigators that some money was taken from each location but also some money was left at
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each Lo location this is where you have to wonder what is the hold back information here there has to be
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something even if it's these quick attacks that are very succinct I mean we have what appears to be a guy walking in
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to a store and killing an individual leaving very few Clues behind and also probably spending very little time at
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the actual crime scene inside the store itself there does have to be some information that we don't know that the
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public does not know that the police in these areas in these jurisdictions know how much money was left how much money
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was believed to being taken the other thing that I'm curious about we know in one of these attacks that Mick his
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wallet was taken It's Curious to me if there were personal items belonging to the victims
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taken at all of the scenes or more than just that one scene yeah it's very difficult too because I think like you
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were saying it's pretty easy to go well I think murder was the main motive because they're not taking much
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money that might just be not much money to your eye or for us to go a couple hundred bucks I'm not going to kill
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somebody over a couple hundred bucks but I wonder if that lowers the age of the suspect we're looking for
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because obviously a couple hundred bucks to a 17 or 18y old kid would be huge well again here we have a potential
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other witness and age has been a [ __ ] for the suspect in this case I've seen them put the age range as low as 20 to
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30 years of age and as late as 30 to 45 years of age yeah I heard as early as a three-year-old well the thing here is if
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we are to go off of May Rose's witness statement he was the manager at the paint store right keep in mind he says
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some interesting things that immediately upon seeing this man if in fact that was
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the killer I believed him to be a hitchhiker SL homeless person well typically people that are disheveled
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unclean they can look older than they actually are and then to to take that a step further you and I keep honing in on
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the fact that money was taken from the scene but money was also left at the scene we may be trying to rationalize
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something that there is no rationalization for meaning if mayrose was correct in his assessment that this
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individual was either on drugs or had mental problems or both there may be no Rhyme or Reason for why this
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individual's leaving money at the scene this takes us to our next attack here Captain this is May 7th we're 4
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days out from the last attack May 7th 1992 we have Sarah Lynn blessing working by herself her maid name is Hart and
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she's recently married she's a newly wet as well uh 37 years old Sarah was a healthy conscious person very
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knowledgeable about natural foods and such she went to empor State College halfway between Topeka and Witchita
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earning a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree in interpersonal Communications with a minor in Psychology she was known to be
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a pet lover now Sarah was born 6 weeks prematurely and had a younger sister and a younger brother but her mother Wilma
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Hart recalled quote she was always a little thing but she was the big sister and she goes on to say that she read
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constantly and got straight A's in school now Sarah and five of her friends rented a storefront in Raytown
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Missouri each would set up in an area where they would display their items to sell these could be things like crystals
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vitamins natural foods and such they called it the store of Many Colors they would take turns working at the store
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the grand opening was 1992 in April late April the grand opening week of April 18th to April
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26th so another bizarre situation here Captain because we are now on our second store where it has just recently opened
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on May 7th this was a Thursday it was Sarah's turn to work she's working alone that is the day that
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she was killed Sarah was in the store alone when a man wearing a gray sports coat slacks
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and dress shoes strolled across the large parking lot toward the shop of Many Colors the store that we're talking
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about now this guy is going to stand out to Witnesses because most people drove to the popular strip mall and of course
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they're going to park right in front of the store that they are intending to go into so this guy he's not seen getting
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out of a vehicle he's seen walking the distance of the parking lot and then selecting this store the store of Many
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Colors Tim Hickman owned a video store that was next door to the gift shop where we have our young woman working
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where he said that he heard loud bangs after hearing this he said that he saw a man walking up the hill behind the shop
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and he believed heading in the direction of Interstate 70 he goes next door enters the shop and
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discovers Sarah's body lying on the floor then we have a clerk at a nearby grocery store who was outside collecting
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carts if you look at this location on a map what we have here Captain is we have
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have let's picture um a square with three sides and one of the sides not fully complete but what what we have by
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that pointing that out is we have shops that are facing one another with a large
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parking lot in the center of all of these shops the location of this grocery store which is the largest shop in this
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strip mall location is across the street or across the parking lot I should say from the gift shop what he is going to
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see is a man exit the gift shop and then walk in the Direction behind the store behind the store there's a hill a street
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and then if you go beyond that there's a neighborhood but this person this second
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eyewitness says that he saw this man walking away walking North at 63rd and Woodson which is is just about 3 Mi
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south of I70 the suspect was also reported to be walking East down 59th Street approximately 10 minutes later at that
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time the stranger was about 3 miles south of I70 so about the same location speaking of
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location the store is located at 11573 East 63rd Street in Raytown Missouri this drive driving by car would
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be 9 Minutes travel time to Interstate 70 it's 4.6 M away which is another similarity in this case as the other
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cases now obviously we're connecting them but this is after law enforcement or already did so years ago yeah and I
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actually heard um just one podcast I think there were several podcasts on this case I listened
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to a portion of one of them and I don't recall the name and I don't want throw anybody under the bus anyway but they
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had said you know these all these crimes and they're the distance apart of course
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you're not going to connect them and it's the early 90s so the jurisdictions weren't talking to one another so they
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didn't connect them for years which in fact that's absolutely false that's not correct information what we have here is
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within days of the final attack we have four of the investigating four of the five investigating departments are are
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meeting to collaborate and to discuss potential similarities and see if the crimes are in fact linked and what we
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have is an immediate warning that comes from these four investigating departments in May that says this is
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issued a warning issued to stores near interstate highways throughout the entire country saying be careful try not
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to leave a clerk alone on duty saying we are moving ahead but just because we had a meeting doesn't mean that we're
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going to catch the guy tomorrow these things are going to take some time now we said four of the five investigating
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departments that is because there was a bit of a squabble over whether or not the Witchita homicides were connected to
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the others or not we have Indiana state police detective crook who said without elaborating on the details that there
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were certain factors about the witch slayings that were different from the others yeah but you're going to have
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that I mean not every serial killer or expert in crime commits the crime 100% the same way every time right and what's
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so funny about this portion of the story to me anyway is that he goes on to say on the record this is one of those
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moments where it's like it's like toothpaste once it's out of the tube you can't put it back in and I I bet you he
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wishes that he had not said some of these words so he says uh the Witchita shootings appear to be too far off of
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I70 Witchita meaning their Police Department is really hot on the idea that they are involved but we are not
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that seems pretty clear-cut but the problem is then just two days later the witch killings were in fact linked to
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the others and Rick Pilgrim spokesman for the Metro case Squad investigating said we've been able to come up with
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common denominators in all of the cases we have physical evidence linking the crimes so
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maybe hair sample fingerprint DNA something palm print I wish that that were the case I don't think that
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they have that stuff okay what we do know that is left at all of the crime scenes is bullets unfortunately what I'm
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saying is that they're going to be able to physically connect these through evidence to each other because of
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primarily the bullets right so the bullets because of ballistics is basically like a fingerprint for the gun
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and we mentioned that we have the warning that was issued by police to basically the entire nation of this guy
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could hit any store seemingly at random please do not have your employees working alone especially if you're store
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that's located near an interstate or a freeway they did offer up some theories immediately early in the get-go of this
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investigation once they've connected all of these crimes saying that he may be posing as a traveling salesman or the
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killer May Force his way into a store with his gun he may case the area and strike at a time when a single clerk is
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vulnerable but I think one of the most powerful things that is stated early on in this investigation comes from the
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assistant police chief in terao Indiana this is Joseph Newport who says we were dealing with a serial killer he's not
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really getting much money out of the shops we don't know why he's killing people I just think he wants to kill
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people he's going into places that don't have money if he had gotten every dollar
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in there it wouldn't have amounted to much but I think that's important in this in the profile of this individual
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is is maybe even though the amount of money was so little it was still they still
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needed the money right it's something it's almost like a signature if in fact it's a a side thought it's also somewhat
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necessary to the crime itself if he is in fact going in there just for the purpose of killing well he's taking an
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extra step that has heightened risk involved with it of taking money from the scene a lot of what you are
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discussing is information that came out pretty a lot of what we're discussing is
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information that came out pretty quickly after the crimes but this next bit is something that came out I believe 20
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years afterwards yeah in 2012 the St Charles Police Department released what they believe to be the
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exact model of the gun used in all of the slangs and we say all of the slangs we I think we really need to hone in on
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something before we get into the details of this weapon here what the hell is going on we
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have six victims in five events that all take place in a month a period of just one month right that is forgive me for
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saying so a speedy and efficient killer we have the first attack that takes place on April 8th 1992 and then
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the last known attack is May 7th 1992 in a one-month period six people killed it was the uh Indiana State
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Police or or maybe it was the Indianapolis City police pardon me that came up with the moniker of the I70
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killer but but we know from what they were saying in late May of '92 that all of these events all of these homicides
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are connected and then we fast forward 20 years later to learn in 20 2012 that they believe that they may
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know the exact gun to have been used so lab test confirmed that all five had been killed by the same gun this would
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be a semi automatic 22 caliber pistol and based off of witness testimony police strongly believe that the murder
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weapon may have been an Irma work and I'm going to spell that in case I'm saying it incorrectly
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W ke and it was model uh a model et22 pistol now this is a unique looking Weapon It's a handgun with a very long
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barrel and it also looks like um me being a lay person uh refer to as like a Nazi looking gun you know those little
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the little handguns that you see in the Indiana Jones movies um the cartridges of the bullets were polished with
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Jeweler's Rouge this is a very specific thing to these crimes okay this is somebody we're talking about expert
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level of experience with Firearms why would anyone polish bullets with Jeweler's Rouge I would have no idea
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about that I have no clue why anybody would do that until looking into this case what I've been told is that if you
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were to do this that it's it would prevent the bullets from jamming that it would it would prevent the gun from
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misfiring so you don't run into any issues when you're trying to operate your killing machine that you're
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bringing to the scene of these crimes now we say that this weapon is unique well it was in fact unique only 6,000
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were imported to the United States from Germany so detectives are hoping that someone would recognize this gun and
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remember if they knew someone who had this rare gun back in the early 90s the ammunition was CCI brand 22 caliber long
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rifle with copper clad lead bullets police asked all gun enthusiasts and gun dealers to notify them
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if they see an Irma work model et22 or had one stolen from them in the early 90s the owner or presumably the
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killer may have used corundum or red Rouge for fire lapping of the weapon or may have used corundum and Rouge in
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grinding polishing or machine shop work there are many complaints that this gun would not cycle reliable
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or eject and load a new round again that's why somebody with an expert level of experience would know to use this
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Jeweler's Rouge to prevent that from happening well we have multiple crimes multiple crime scenes multiple law
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enforcement departments working together what kind of profile if any do we have of this
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individual that's what's unique think to this this we have a known serial killer
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operating the problem is he's operating in multiple States across many many miles of land but what's unique to this
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case amongst the others is I couldn't really find a profile what I could find is several statements by several
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different departments that said at the time you know early 1992 saying we are working with the FBI
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to provide them information and details of the crime so that they can put together a psychological profile of the
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I70 killer well you look you wait you look again nothing what you find is a month or two later a different
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department saying the same thing we are working with the FBI to provide them details of the crime so that they can
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put together a psychological profile what we have years later Captain is we have the uh Indianapolis Police who say
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that they were working with the FBI but it was it was yet to be determined years later yet to be
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determined if the case is even profile I'm having trouble with this profil there you go thank you God bless
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you Captain if the case is even profil mhm because again it's like this guy walks into the store boom commits the
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homicide and then walks out it's almost like a mix between a serial killer and a
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spree killer yes exactly and when it comes down to it as far as the investigation goes we have the uh
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Indianapolis Police on record saying we literally went through and got Hotel registrations from every single hotel
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across Interstate 70 up and down the interstates all over and looked into those they looked into toll booths they
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checked license plates they checked traffic stops during the times of the attacks and they've come out and they've
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been pretty clear and upfront with this is not a DNA case this killer did not do
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anything to the victims or uh the the attacks were not such that they had DNA evidence Left Behind of the killer you
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had referenced um fingerprints Palm prints hair fibers anything of that nature earlier I can't say with certainty that
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they have that or did not have that we have multiple crime scenes and again every one of the crime scenes is a for a
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lack of better term is a public place you have many people that could be in and out of these stores and these shops
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so they may have that stuff they also may have that stuff and not able to link it to any or aware that they actually
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have it because you have a crime scene that contains so many fingerprints so many palm prints possible hair and fiber
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what we do have the very little bit that we do have as far as a profile would go
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we have the physical profile that we've already talked about and we'll talk about again but we do have law
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enforcement on record saying that they believe that the suspect could be a military man a hitchhiker a traveling
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salesman or a truck driver because the thought being that there's a possibility that the Killer is someone who has a
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reason to travel Beyond just killing so again such as a Salesman or truck driver
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and then along those lines detectives said that the killer might have dealings with military bases because several of
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the slayings occurred near Military in installations such as Fort Benjamin Harrison in
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the I70 killer case for all of you dieh hard garage listeners out there we just put out another off the Record episode
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on Stitcher premium yesterday so make sure you check that out so in this case it's not clear but
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it seems like there's no one source of profile but we do have a composite for this
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individual yes we do and the general consensus seems to be that police describ the suspect as a white male in
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his mid 20s to mid 30s um with the remark of but more likely in his mid3 eyewitnesses have described this
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man as uh 5' 7 in to 5T all the way up to 5' 9 in tall about 150 lbs with reddish
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colored or light colored hair and a stubble beard or faint beard and I might be wrong but it seems like from the
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furthest distance from Indianapolis to I believe it's witch it's a 10hour radius
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that we have so multiple places that this killer could be residing do we have any evidence or any clues to pinpoint
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that down yeah so I want to talk a little bit about some Gang Busters work that is done being done by a guy going
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by quester um I didn't write down his full name here but it's aters site.com he has worked on just as a
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armchair detective has worked on several of these older cases particularly high-profile cases and he did several
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post about the I70 killer one thing that the that he points out as far as a pattern goes because I'm looking at this
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thing and I'm like what what's the pattern here because we don't have attacks that are taking place in order
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of you know on down the road 1 2 3 four five we have five events six victims but
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what quester points out and this is I think this is pretty brilliant here that he refers to this as
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um polling which is so such a great word for uh everything going on right now in
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our country but has nothing to do with that what he's saying is if you take if you take the CRI crimes and put them on
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a a straight line what you have is the first crime takes place at the very furthest part of the one line which
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would be roughly Indianapolis Indiana the next crime the second one goes all the way to the other side of that line
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the furthest point on that other line and then the third crime is back again to the east back in
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Indiana the fourth crime is in the middle and then the fifth is in Raytown so it's almost like he went to
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the the furthest away that he could be which if you go by that rationale if you're going to use that as maybe your
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your area it would it would seem that the Killer is probably more in the middle of these crimes rather than all
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the way in Indianapolis or all the way out in Witchita that if he started and wanted to kill and felt that he could
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kill comfortably furthest from where he resides to further the crimes from him as much as possible that he went to the
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trouble of going as far as as he could East and then the next crime he went as far as he wanted West and then he felt a
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little bit more comfortable because he had gotten away with some uh and then went a little closer to home so maybe
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he's in the Raytown area maybe he's in the Missouri area or like you said he's a big traveler and he's not
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even anywhere close to where he lives he could live all the way on the East Coast
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or the west coast and what we have here too Captain is the biggest question that
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seems to be Past who was the I70 killer yeah that's the biggest one always seems
00:37:34
to be where did he go because we have five events in just a one month time period
00:37:44
and we have six homicides inside those five five events and then he seemingly disappears isn't it uh kind of weird to
00:37:52
you that there's not even a hint of what he was driving I think that is something
00:37:59
that's very smart that you point out because what I think he was doing is I don't think this guy was hitching a ride
00:38:06
I don't think that he thought do make a lot of sense no it doesn't make any sense at all somebody would have came
00:38:10
forward and said you know what I I picked up this individual or this individual would been if again if the
00:38:17
the motive was just murder why wouldn't they just murder the person that drove them you know at some point um right so
00:38:25
there there seems to be some reason for him carrying out a mission it's almost like in a video game where you're given
00:38:31
a list of of objectives that you have to achieve on some kind of mission and it's
00:38:37
like all right get to this location one thing that I find interesting is all the
00:38:42
stores are very similar when you think about it other than the Payless none of these seem to be much of a in the way of
00:38:47
a chain of stores right and so he's picking small businesses that with the exception of the one case are not
00:38:56
terribly far from I70 itself but all of these locations are similar in the sense
00:39:04
that you could park behind the store or behind another store or maybe even in the neighborhood or the streets we said
00:39:13
that most of if not all of these businesses are backing up to streets and neighborhoods so if you have a general
00:39:21
idea of where you're going to attack and you do not want your car to be seen because we've talked about this time and
00:39:27
time again here in the garage right vehicles are 100 times easier to locate than a description of a person give me a
00:39:34
description of a vehicle we can find it easier than a description of a person especially when you tell me it's a white
00:39:41
guy and his mid to late you know mid 20s to mid-30s all white people 5'7 to 5'9 so I think he's parking his vehicle
00:39:53
near the crime scene and then going on foot to and from the actual crime scene and then fleeing in his vehicle once the
00:40:02
crime is committed we have eyewitness statements where they're saying I saw a guy who I believe was leaving the store
00:40:11
at or around the time of the believed homicide right he's heading in the Direction behind the building one person
00:40:19
saying I thought I saw him go behind the building and then up the hill where he would have just went down the hill and
00:40:24
he could have parked right on the other side of theill Hill what a great obstacle for hiding and concealing your
00:40:30
vehicle well like you were saying I mean we we or again we have evidence that he
00:40:35
was staking out these locations but almost like in a very genius sort of way like if you're in
00:40:44
these plazas where there's multiple stores and maybe the store you know yes the store he's going into isn't that
00:40:52
busy but the other stores they're probably not that busy either but there's people going in and out of those
00:40:58
parking lots all day long you know if I was driving up to a strip mall chances are I'm going to see a couple cars
00:41:08
coming in and a couple cars leaving so if somebody said oh did you see that man driving away no I I didn't
00:41:16
I saw multiple cars driving away so I think that would be a great way to the Clutter becomes your cover
00:41:27
well and one bizarre thing that is that I find fascinating that might just be pure happen stance beyond the idea of
00:41:36
targeting stores that may contain younger ladies working alone we mentioned several of the stores
00:41:44
had only been opened they were under you know there a new store and only open for
00:41:51
a month or two right and again that could just be happen stance maybe it's because a newer store has less customers
00:41:58
it's had less time to build up its clientele so he spots it and it's obviously not busy and goes in and it's
00:42:04
just he wouldn't have known that they were newer stores but again the question becomes that many attacks that many
00:42:11
homicides in such a short period of time and then he's gone why where did he go I
00:42:18
think the why to me is pretty obvious we had the police at the time that very quick
00:42:26
linked all of these crimes together and he knows I use the same gun at all of these crime scenes he knows what's
00:42:36
linking them he knows how police have linked them together so maybe he doesn't disappear maybe he doesn't go away
00:42:44
forever he's not this Phantom killer that just disappeared all he's got to do is change
00:42:51
guns and he can continue doing what he's doing especially if he's willing willing
00:42:56
to go to the distance of 10 hours away right so I think what happened here is I think that this guy probably
00:43:05
continued on I think what's interesting to me too is not just where did he go but also where did he come from one
00:43:13
thought that jumped out to me was we mentioned military man is this a guy that saw action that
00:43:22
went off to war we had the Gulf War ended in February of 199 91 Desert Shield followed by Desert Storm mhm did
00:43:31
this guy was he sent over there to serve his country and he got a taste for killing and then he brought it back here
00:43:38
and he couldn't turn it off you know so who knows where he came from who knows where where he went but
00:43:47
what was the trigger there was something that triggered this guy this guy while maybe not the most normal guy
00:43:53
in the world something happened to get this guy to start k killing in April of 1992 and then he stops in May of
00:44:01
1992 there are some theories about where this guy went or if he went on to other
00:44:07
crimes there Captain all right hit me with them well some investigators believe that the I70 killer may be
00:44:14
responsible for two murders in 1993 and an attempted murder in 1994 all of these crimes took place in
00:44:23
the state of Texas and it started in September of 1993 on September 25th when 51-year-old Maryanne Glascock was killed
00:44:34
in a Fort Worth uh in the city of Fort Worth at an Emporium antiques store continues on from there November 1st
00:44:42
1993 22-year-old Amy vest was shot to death in a dance apparel store in Arlington Texas and then we have the
00:44:52
January 15th 1994 attack on 35 year-old Vicky web she luckily survived this attack she was shot in in a Houston
00:45:03
store at a Alternatives gift shop she briefly spoke to the shooter so she has a description of the person that shot
00:45:11
her the man shot her and then she did not die and he attempted to shoot her again but his gun
00:45:22
misfired and then he left the scene there's great debate whether these crimes are connected and a big part of
00:45:30
that comes from the fact that the gun that was used in the I70 killer case and the six homicides that we've already
00:45:39
discussed was not the same gun used in these three Texas cases however these start up shortly after right the next
00:45:50
year after the I70 Killer goes vanishes and like I said he could have just got a new gun and then picked up
00:45:59
where he left off at some point the interesting thing is that what connects these is Interstate 35 and we mentioned
00:46:09
Interstate 35 before Interstate 35 does connect to I70 and it connects in the general area of where our I70 killer
00:46:18
left off with attacks number four and five which would be in the ray toown St Charles area that we discussed earlier
00:46:27
you can pick up I35 in and around the Kansas City area with I70 so maybe he just heads a little
00:46:37
further south continues doing what he's doing now with a new murder weapon yeah and I'm I'm sure some people listening
00:46:44
are going well maybe it's just a different guy but the description of this individual is very similar mhm and
00:46:50
that's why people believe he just got a new gun we have a surviving witness in the I35 attack who describes the killer
00:46:57
to look similar to that of the description given about the I70 killer and in the I35 killer and the final
00:47:04
attack the vague description that we get here is a white guy about 5' 8 maybe 5'9
00:47:10
in tall reddish hair 150 to 160 lbs faint beard brown jacket and dark pants so not unlike the other cases the I70
00:47:24
cases let's get get into some suspects here Captain before we wrap up some of these will be suspects that have been
00:47:31
named by law enforcement and some of it named by uh garage armchair detectives such as ourselves the first suspect that
00:47:40
we have to talk about is a man that died in July of 1996 and it is Herb bow Meister okay who
00:47:50
is BB bow Meister he is an Amer with a bad name he's an American suspected serial killer this was a very successful
00:47:59
man uh he resided in Westfield Indiana bow Meister was under investigation for murdering over a dozen men in the early
00:48:09
1990s most of whom were last seen at gay bars investigators found the remains of
00:48:14
11 persons eight which they identified three remain unidentified to this day on boow meister's property if in fact he
00:48:23
was the killer of these people uh he's dead so it's been tough to determine that it's believed he killed these
00:48:30
individuals he was killing and burying people on their very large property unbeknownst to his wife and family that
00:48:38
lived in a house along with herb on that property after arrest warrant was issued
00:48:45
for him he fled to Canada and then he killed himself before he could be arrested and brought to trial he never
00:48:52
confessed to any of these crimes his suicide note made no mention of the murder allegations against him he was
00:49:01
though later linked to a series of murders of at least nine men along Interstate 70 which occurred in the
00:49:08
early to mid 1980s so this guy is suspected of possibly killing as many as two dozen men that number certainly
00:49:17
unconfirmed but I think it's his ties to the general area of Interstate 70 and the state of
00:49:26
Indiana together that put him on the list of suspects here as you very obviously know Captain this m Mo if her
00:49:37
bro Meister killed all of these people is it could not be further from the M Mo of the I70 killer yeah or the profile
00:49:46
victims correct so this seems like it's it's one of those situations where he is
00:49:53
a known active serial killer he gets tossed on on this list just because of that fact he's also nickname I believe
00:50:00
one of the nicknames given to him was the I70 Strangler so it doesn't help when your nickname is so much so close
00:50:08
to the nickname of the killer that they're seeking MH I don't think her bow Meister had anything to do with these
00:50:15
killings the next suspect that we come to is an individual that was listed and stated in the papers at the time as a
00:50:23
possible suspect his name is Donald Waterhouse and he's a suspect because on the night of February 29th
00:50:30
1992 this is just more than a month before the I70 killings started happening Waterhouse reportedly shot and
00:50:39
killed his mother and stepfather inside their home in Dyersburg Tennessee now like the I70 victims these
00:50:50
two were shot in the head with a 22 caliber weapon Waterhouse he vanished eventually his truck was found abandoned
00:50:58
in East St Louis right off of I70 he evaded police until October so the thought here he's eventually caught in
00:51:07
Oklahoma but the thought here being that he's killing while on the run for having
00:51:13
killed his parents he fit the physical description somewhat of the I70 killer however I think what we have here is a
00:51:23
situation where you have because these killings are taking place on S such far stretches across this country and they
00:51:32
seem to be motiveless murders right this is really to me reminds me of like a zodiac type killer who's not
00:51:40
communicating who would choose not to communicate with police or the media someone who is trying to terrorize
00:51:48
that's what a that's what a terrorist is someone who terrorizes the public with with threats this being the threat of
00:51:55
any anyone working in any store within a series of States could be killed at any
00:52:01
time any random time of the day yeah but again the key victim is female right under 30 and what I think we have here
00:52:10
Captain with uh Waterhouse as far as he is concerned I think that the police were under a lot of pressure at the time
00:52:17
to throw out a name to make it seem like hey we we got we got a trail on somebody
00:52:24
what we would learn 20 years later is that they were bombarded with tips once they started putting out the composite
00:52:32
sketch of the suspect they said that they believed that over 60,000 tips were followed up on and a lot of them
00:52:40
obviously false you know some of them were were blatant false tips where somebody was angry at somebody else
00:52:48
right and threw them under the bus and said oh they look like the suspect or he should be your suspect for x y and z and
00:52:55
it turns out they baseless speculation there right but a lot of these composite sketches they kind of look cartoonish
00:53:03
this one this this draing has a little bit of soul to it and it and it's very uh disturbing this guy would would freak
00:53:14
A lot of people out yeah and this Waterhouse guy while on the Run um I don't know what it is it I have not
00:53:23
seen an exact statement but once they located Waterhouse and once they were going to
00:53:31
take him to trial for the killings of his parents authorities very quickly said that you know now that we've caught
00:53:40
him he's not a very high priority suspect in the I70 killings and then in fact we have just in June of uh 1992
00:53:51
where the St Charles Missouri police chief David King announced that Waterhouse was no longer a top suspect
00:53:58
in the I70 killings that brings us to Donald Blom AKA Donald Prince born 1949 he is an American who was sentenced to
00:54:09
life in prison for the killing of Kathleen Katie prior in 1999 he's a registered sex offender involved in five
00:54:18
cases of kidnapping and sexual assault prior to Katie's murder he is suspected to be a serial killer by
00:54:25
case investigators Blom is serving his prison sentence at a medium security facility in
00:54:33
Minnesota this assumption though doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me I'm not really certain how he ends up
00:54:40
on this list of potential suspects well he killed somebody there you go his killings and his attacks look this guy
00:54:50
at the end of the day he's a rapist and murderer none of the I70 killings were sexual nature that none of that took
00:54:57
place so the police seem again here possibly desperate to get names out in the press and this may be one that was
00:55:06
just thrown out there but was it the start of something was this how I'm going to do it fantasize about it that
00:55:16
will turn into something else later where he was once a hands-off killer and then became a Hands-On killer right next
00:55:24
up on our list we have Ralph Leon Jackson also known as Ralph men old Ralph men he's a real prick Monger Ralph
00:55:34
men or Ralph Jackson he is convicted of shooting two people on the Blue Ridge Parkway in
00:55:43
2010 and unfortunately he killed one of those victims and if it wasn't for the the courageous efforts of the
00:55:52
other victim he he he thought he killed her as well so what we have here Captain is a
00:55:59
situation where this guy it seems that he killed these people at random and I think that it's the random nature and
00:56:08
given his age he was 57 years old when he was convicted of the 2010 crimes and that would put him in
00:56:17
the general age range for R I70 killer and his we're going to go back and back to this but we need to put a red flag
00:56:27
and a marker on it right here where we say he his physical description is not unlike that of the I70 killer but right
00:56:36
you've seen the picture it's it's kind of a vague description of the I70 killer right yeah so he looks somewhat like the
00:56:45
description he's about the same age but really I think it here is the randomness
00:56:51
of the crime this crime that he committed it almost looks like like he went out to the Blue Ridge Parkway that
00:56:58
night hoping to see someone or someone's and was determined to gun them down from
00:57:05
his vehicle so that puts him on the list of potential suspects for the I70 killer
00:57:11
as well as he's his name comes up in the Colonial Parkway murders as well yeah I
00:57:18
just don't like that many of these these suspects well I think it's because there's no really good Clues here in any
00:57:27
of these cases that we have what I would consider great suspects well I also think it's because the mo is so strange
00:57:36
it definitely seems like he was targeting a certain type of victim but it doesn't seem like it was sexual
00:57:43
nature like I said could have led to that later maybe it was just a fantasy and he wasn't willing to uh take the
00:57:50
risk to take the time to live out those fantasies but also the strange just to steal a little
00:57:59
bit of money it's just it's very strange MMO well here's a name that you'll recognize and some of our listeners will
00:58:06
recognize as well the longtime listeners anyway the next suspect that we're going
00:58:12
to discuss is Neil Falls who is Neil Falls well that name may sound familiar to you because he was mentioned in our
00:58:21
Vanishing women case that is the case of six missing women and several that were
00:58:27
killed in the southern Ohio area why did he come up on that uh in those episodes
00:58:34
well that was because he is a man that was killed during what was believed to be the attempted killing of a woman um
00:58:42
maybe rape would be involved I don't know he at least threatened her with both where he met a woman on the
00:58:49
internet shows up at the door and things turned bad real quick and according to our victim who survived
00:58:57
and killed Neil Falls she says that Neil Falls told him told her look I'm going to prison for a long time for this it
00:59:06
could be for rape or for murder you're the one that's going to decide it well she decided it and it was for neither he
00:59:12
wasn't going to make it to prison he did because of her luckily now when police start looking through this Neil Falls
00:59:20
guy and looking through his vehicle very disturbing stuff they find Firearms handcuffs shovels a pickaxe several
00:59:29
bladed weapons including a hatchet and several knives and he had a bulletproof vest on him now he was a good distance
00:59:39
from where he lived yeah and so the thought here is not just that this guy is willing to travel to
00:59:47
kill but some people did some very interesting work because remember we have our I70 killer who who would have
00:59:55
been in his early 20s to maybe mid to late 30s that again being the big window for the age description of our potential
01:00:07
killer here this I found this on Reddit and web SLU where several people had found an an
01:00:16
interesting little thing here in Neil falls's background in early 1992 we don't have an exact date Neil falls
01:00:23
moves to his father house in Kansas well the I70 murders began in April on April 8th of 1992 and then 3
01:00:33
days later in April we have the murders in Witchita Kansas MH so the home that he was living at Greensburg Kansas is
01:00:44
about an hour and a half west of wital so this guy and he does look you know at the time of his death this is a guy that
01:00:54
moved around he lived in many different states and when this woman killed him the FBI and police immediately came out
01:01:02
and said we want to know one where this guy was we want to put together a complete timeline of him but we have him
01:01:09
getting uh driving violations speeding tickets and such in multiple States over the years so not only did he live and
01:01:17
move around but when he was living at certain places he was traveling to other states as well and this is is a guy that
01:01:25
they thought he might be driving or flying and going elsewhere and killing people and then returning to his home
01:01:32
the interesting thing here is we've put him within an hour and a half of the killings in Witchita back in 1992 now
01:01:42
the picture of him at the time of his death is kind of a fat version of the description given of the I70 killer and
01:01:50
if you go on to web SLO or Reddit and you'll look up this Neil Falls I70 killer angle you'll see that what they
01:01:58
did here was they put a picture from his I believe this is his senior year high school yearbook a picture of of his
01:02:06
senior year in high school followed by the sketches of the I70 killer along with the fat version that I pointed out
01:02:15
of the the the chubby cheeks version of Neo falls from the time that he roughly around the time that he was killed and
01:02:24
that's BS f a l LS not balls I know you're thinking it's Neil balls but it's no it's Falls well and the other thing
01:02:33
here too Captain that's interesting about Falls is uh Texas 1993 and the 1994 killings the I35
01:02:43
killer again some believe these could be related could be linked could be the same killer as the I70 killer FSE father
01:02:51
who he was living with at the time passes away in 1995 and he moved back to Oregon and of course there's no more I70
01:03:00
kill killings or I35 killings believed after that 90 1994 attempted killing yeah but so possible reason for why it
01:03:12
stopped in that area would be that Neil Falls moved out of the area well again I
01:03:18
think uh his age is something that I like because I feel like these killings these I70 killings it's like a step
01:03:28
towards a direction it's almost like a precursor to something else that is going to happen and again the money
01:03:37
taking not huge amounts of money but taking the time to take that money seems like
01:03:44
something somebody with not much of a future would do but also something that maybe you know a teenager early
01:03:52
20-year-old would do you're working under the theory that this guy might be earlier or toward the the younger end of
01:03:59
the spectrum right that what we're talking about as far as our eyewitnesses go now you're exactly right because with
01:04:06
Neil Falls he would have been 22 years old back in '92 when these homicides first started up right and a couple
01:04:15
hundred bucks to me when I was well heck now but I mean even back then it was a lot of money like 200 bucks or 300 bucks
01:04:25
oh that's a lot of money I actually think if in fact that this guy is a cold calculated killer that if he's all there
01:04:34
that if he's not on drugs not mental problems are both like one of the witnesses stated that I think that the
01:04:41
robbery or the The Taking of the money is really just to throw the police off I guess I don't
01:04:48
know what they're he's throwing them off of um because everything the murder still took place but he's an interesting
01:04:57
one because he would have been 22 at the time when they started and then again that window of time he is there roughly
01:05:05
in that General vicinity of that area when the killings start and then when they stop after the I35 killings stop
01:05:15
he's gone in 95 he moves to Oregon so I think that's one of the more interesting
01:05:20
ones one uh one more name here captain and this is one that I would be shocked if our listeners don't know because
01:05:27
we've covered a case that he is potentially linked to as well so many times is Thomas Bruce and if you
01:05:36
remember correctly he is a deli suspect he is a known killer and I think it's people have linked him to the I70 killer
01:05:47
simply because Indiana's part of the the story for the I70 killer two of the known events linked to the I70 killer
01:05:57
took place in the state of Indiana and his crimes he was in St Louis when he got picked up just a year
01:06:06
or so ago because what did he do remember he went into that Catholic supply store right and he took several
01:06:15
he took a I believe it was a customer and a couple employees back to the back where there were some sexual assaults
01:06:21
that took place and homicide that took place and he was on the run for a very short
01:06:26
period of time before they tracked him down and found him uh his age would put him at about the right age again I I
01:06:35
think that the age range for the I70 killer is is vast yeah I mean it's just big it so it gets difficult to to Really
01:06:44
pinpoint down and say oh the age is right when we're talking about a span of 15 years maybe for our potential uh
01:06:55
I70 killer but Bruce is an interesting one simply because he he does this attack he's locked up he's been quiet
01:07:04
ever since some people are trying to link him to Deli some people are trying to link him to other cases and because
01:07:11
of the nature of the known attack that he did the known homicide that he did do that there's no question about it's
01:07:19
similar in ways to that of the I70 killer yeah one of my issues though is I I feel like some of these actions of
01:07:27
this crime show again either maybe somebody that's just not mentally stable then they're probably locked up
01:07:34
for something else or this these actions are a little immature which doesn't really go with the the sketch in my mind
01:07:45
CU to me the sketch seems older so it's it's a very difficult case it's very difficult because again it it
01:07:55
goes to why did this even start in the first place and then where did this killer go he he's not apprehended for
01:08:01
these homicides at least he may be as you said locked up for something else uh at this point if he was older he may
01:08:10
have even passed away this is an interesting case because it's one that that unlike many other
01:08:19
cases it would seem that there would be very few clues for law enforcement to work with to finding this guy and really
01:08:27
to be honest with you Captain the only hope that I have that the I70 killer is ever
01:08:34
identified I mean you're talking 26 27 28 years later very little Clues to go on back in
01:08:42
1992 well again the investigators said at the time on the one homicide this case was cold by the end of the week
01:08:49
right there's so little go on we don't even have a profile of the suspect right and that's the homework
01:08:56
for our garage Army if somebody can find a psychological profile of the I70 killer please send it to us and we'll
01:09:03
review it on off the Record because like I said it was stated multiple times in the paper that these different
01:09:10
departments were going to work with the FBI to see if they could put together a psychological profile of the I70 killer
01:09:18
what we do have is months later where somebody says we don't even know if we have enough to put together a profile of
01:09:26
this guy and this guy's had five different events six different homicides in the course of a
01:09:33
month it also wouldn't shock me if we have a situation where if drugs or mental health W and both especially if
01:09:42
both were involved that this individual once they linked the crimes may have discarded the weapon or committed
01:09:50
suicide or both at the time and it's not been linked for whatever reason again if he's
01:09:56
willing to go 10 hours travel time between two of the different homicides who knows how far he went for for any of
01:10:05
them to begin with I think the key here Captain I the only hope hope I really hold in identifying this killer is that
01:10:14
gun you know the police believe that they've narrowed it down to the makeing model of the gun used in all of the
01:10:23
attack and it's it's a unique weapon and I think that if they could find someone
01:10:29
with that weapon if he's not discarded that weapon there's a chance that this is a prize possession of his
01:10:37
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