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2014 USA Today ran an article about parents who killed their children or filicide the article cites three decades
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kills who is killed and how several patterns are apparent the vast majority of child victims three out
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concept this week We examined one of the most highly debated cases to come out of
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the great state of Texas a case that had everyone asking did the mommy do it darly rotier was a young wife and mother
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of three but did she murder two of her sons that will be for you to decide this is true crime garage and this is a case
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of darly [Music] roer one of my favorite True Crime writers is the great almost legendary
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status skip hollandsworth who writes for Texas monthly magazine and using some paragraphs from a piece he did for Texas
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monthly's special crime issue back in July of 2002 here skip briefly takes us through
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some events leading up to the attack as well as events after the murder of two small boys the people in this True Crime
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Story are parents Darren and darly rotier and their three sons Damon Devin and Drake on June 5th the boys play in
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the hot tub and that evening Damon and Devon huddled under blankets in front of a television Darren had just installed
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in the living room darly and Darren would later say that they stayed up talking past midnight they kissed each
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other good night Darren went upstairs to the master bedroom where Drake then just
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7 months old was asleep while darly curled up on the couch downstairs next to the two older boys she had been
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sleeping on the couch that week she said because she wanted to watch over Damon and Devon who had been spending the
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night downstairs since school let out and because she was a light sleeper and would sometimes be awakened by Drake
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turning over in his crib a few hours later a 911 dispatcher and roulette received a frantic call
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quote someone came in here darly screamed they just stabbed me and my children in the early morning morning
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hours of June 6th 1996 Devon rotier who was 6 and Damon five were murdered as they slept on the
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ground floor of the family's well-kept brick home in roulette a suburb east of Dallas Devon was stabbed twice in the
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chest with such force that the knife almost went all the way through his body Damon was stabbed half a dozen or more
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times in the back darly who was also sleeping downstairs had two slight wounds to her right forearm and one in
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her left shoulder and her throat had been cut doctors said she survived only because the knife stopped 2 mm short of
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her cored artery in a written statement given to the police a few days later darly then
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26 told the following story she was awakened by Damon's cries of mommy mommy in the dark she didn't even notice she
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was hurt she saw a man moving through through the kitchen and followed him as he went toward the
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garage when she got to the utility room she saw a knife and picked it up only then she said did she return to find
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Devon and Damon and realized that she had been stabbed too darl's husband Darren who was sleeping upstairs with
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their infant son Drake came downstairs after hearing his wife's screams and began administering CPR to Devon by then
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the as salent had disappeared 12 Days After Damon's and Devon's deaths the police arrested darly
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for their murders they had no eyewitnesses no confession and no motive what they did have was an
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intriguing trail of circumstantial evidence that suggested there was no Intruder that night physical evidence
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suggested that darly had staged the crime doctor statements suggested her wounds were self-inflicted and there was
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a peculiar scene caught on videotape a few days after the murders on what would have been Devon's 7eventh birthday darly
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drove to the cemetery with friends and family wished her son a happy birthday and then sprayed Silly String all over
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his grave quote here's a mother who has supposedly been the victim of a violent crime said Dallas County assistant
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district attorney Greg Davis the lead prosecutor in the case she has just lost two children and yet she's out there
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literally dancing on their graves after the murders darly gave conflicting account of what exactly the Intruder had
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done to her one officer said she told him that she had struggled with her as salent on the couch another officer said
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she told him the struggle was at the kitchen counter a friend who talked to darly while she was in the hospital said
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darly told her that she remembered lying on the couch as the man was running the
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knife over her face but in her formal written statement to police darly said her only view of the man came as he was
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walking away from the couch she said she just couldn't remember any distinct details about the attack or the killer
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except that he was wearing dark clothes and a baseball cap was it really possible that darly who could be
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awakened by her baby moving in his crib had slept through the stabbings of her sons a few feet away now Captain Rolette
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PD were suspicious regarding darly ear early in their investigation saying that they were tipped off by a few different
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things one being the 911 call darley's Behavior and the crime scene evidence versus dar's account of the events of
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that night we're going to play a little clip of her 911 call it's really hard to
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make out what's happening but just so you can hear her energy on the call and then how intense the call is1 what is
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youry Bren ma'am just stab me my children whatab me my children who hang on hang on hang
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on hang ma'am [Music] ma'am' ma' I'm trying to get an ambulance to you hang on I my baby
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forgot what's going on ma'am oh my [Applause] God oh God [Music] [Music] i1 oh my God
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[Music] ma' I need you to calm down and talk to [Music] me1 listen listen to me I need you
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to oh my God and that was just the brief start of a call that came into the rette police
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department June 6th 1996 at 2:31 a.m. and because the police are saying that this is one of the things
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that pointed them toward darly as being their prime suspect in the murder of her
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two sons I think that we should go through the transcript of that call to see if we agree with their assessment
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and reading for the responders will have the captain and reading for darly roer you have yours truly rette 911 what is
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your emergency somebody came here they broke in ma'am they just stabbed me and my children what they stabbed me and my
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kids my little boys who who did my little boy is dying hang on hang on hang on hurry stand by for medical emergency
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ma'am hang on ma'am ma'am unknown medical emergency 581 Eagle Drive ma'am ma'am I'm trying
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to get an ambulance to you hang on a minute oh my God my babies are dying what's going on ma'am oh my God thought
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he was dead oh my God I don't even know attention 901 unknown medical emergency 5801 I don't even know Eagle Drive box
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238 cross street Linda Vista and Willow Brook ATT attention 901 medical emergency who was breathing are they
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still lying there maybe possibly stabbing 5801 Eagle Drive box 238 cross street Linda Vista and Willow
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Brook oh my God what do we do timeout 232 oh my God oh my God needs units going towards 5801 Eagle Drive 5801
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Eagle Drive oh my God my baby's dead Damon hold on honey hysterical female on the phone says her child has been
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stabbed I saw them Darren oh my God came in here ma'am I need you to Cal down and
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talk to me okay didn't you get my address 5801 Eagle yes we need help Darren I don't know who it was we got to
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find who it was ma'am ma'am listen listen to me yes yes oh my God oh my God ma'am yes I need you too I need need you
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to talk to me what what what my babies are dead do you want honey hold on ma'am I can't understand you yes you're going
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to have to slow down calm down and talk to me I'm talking to my babies they're dying what is going on somebody came in
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while I was sleeping me and my little boys were sleeping downstairs some man came in stabbed my baby stabbed me I
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woke up I was fighting he ran out through the garage threw the knife down my babies are dying they're dead oh my
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God okay stay on the phone with me oh my God what happened hold on honey hold on
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who was on it was the white phone hold on they are wondering when we need to dispatch so I sent a double team oh my
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God oh my God okay thanks oh my God oh my God ma'am who's there with you Karen ma'am what is there anyone in the house
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besides you and your children no my husband he just ran ran downstairs he's helping me but they're dying oh my God
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they're dead okay okay how many little boys is it two boys there's two of them there's two what's AC cross street on
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the address on Eagle oh my God who would do this listen to me calm down I feel really bad I think I'm dying when are
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they going to be here 5801 Eagle Drive 5801 Eagle Drive when are they going to be here going to be a stabbing when are
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they going to be here ma'am they're on their way I got to just sit here forever oh my God who would do this who would do
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this ma'am how old are your boys what how old are your boys seven and five okay oh my God oh my God oh he's dead
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calm down can you oh God Devon no oh my God is your name darly yes this is her is your husband's name Darren yes please
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hurry God they're taking forever there's nobody in your house there was was you don't know who did this then a police
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officer is on the scene and you can hear him say look for a rag darly replies they killed our babies the police
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officer says lie down okay just sit down darly roer says no he ran out uh they ran out in the garage I was sleeping my
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baby's over here already cut can I phone is right here you all look out in the garage look out in the garage they left
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a knife lying on there's a knife don't touch anything I already touched it and picked it up who's out there is anybody
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out there I don't know I was sleeping okay ma'am listen there's a police officer at your front door is your front
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door unlocked yes ma'am but where's the ambulance okay they're barely breathing if they don't get it here
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they're going to be dead my God they're hurt hurry please hurry okay there there
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police officer says what about you is 82 out on Eagle huh they took they ran we're at Eagle 5801 Eagle my God hurry
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82 are you out police officer nothing's gone Mrs roer oh my God oh my God why would they do this police officer the
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problem Mrs rotier what' he say why would they do this I'm okay l'sen ma'am need to need to let the officers in the
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front door okay ma'am what what need to let the police officers in the front door his knife was lying over there I
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already picked it up okay it's all right it's okay God I bet if we could have gotten the prince maybe maybe ma'am hang
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on hang on a second somebody who did it intentionally walked in here and did it Darren there's nothing touched okay
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ma'am there's nothing touched oh my God ma'am is the police officer there yes okay go talk to him okay the total
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Daytime Emmy obviously but what's your thoughts captain on darly roer you've had a chance to actually listen to the
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911 call she's hysterical through most of it it's very chaotic but it's 5 minutes long so it's long enough to
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really get a feel for what's going on and probably have an opinion on what it is you're hearing and deduce maybe some
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of the emotions the thoughts or even suspicions going on with her on the call yeah it's hard to tell if she's acting
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or reacting because mhm it is a mom supposedly coming out of her sleep and seeing her kids dying in front of her
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and the amount of blood that's probably at the scene but it seems like there's no coherent thought that she's giving to
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the dispat except for a couple lines and those seem to be the lines that are suspicious where she you know his knife
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was laying there and I already picked it up I bet if we could have gotten the fingerprints maybe that line almost
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seems to me that she's about to say well I bet if if I hadn't touched the knife we could have got fingerprints mhm
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but also she is basically establishing a reason why she touched the knife and why her fingerprints would
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be on the murder weapon and that's what law enforcement will point out as well as the prosecutors later that this is
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the problem with her 911 call that she's referencing the knife does not need to mention the knife does not need to
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mention that she picked it up it's almost like she's planting that information for everybody to be aware of
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hey you'll probably find my fingerprints on this knife because I'm telling you now I picked it up and you might not
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find an intruder's fingerprints on the knife because I picked it up after he threw it down the thing is though it's a
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little difficult when you review the transcript of the 911 call and after you've heard the actual audio for the
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call itself because the first time that she mentions really finding the knife or
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that somebody threw down a knife she's responding to she's answering the operator's question the operator's
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question was what is going on to which she says someone came in while I was sleeping me and my little boys were
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sleeping downstairs the other issue with the transcript too is you have multiple
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dispatchers or operators communicating they're at times in the 911 call communicating with each other and not
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darly you know they're responding to oh we need emergency services to this address and then you have the other
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dispatcher or operator saying something to the effect of Emergency Services have
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been dispatched or have been dispatched at this time and one of the things we weren't able to do because it was just
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us two reading the transcript and I don't think the transcript is that clear but if you listen to the 911
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tape at some point when her husband comes downstairs and she's going oh my God oh my God he he starts going oh my
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God oh my God reacting the same level of intensity she is so for somebody to say that she's
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acting I would say well then I guess the husband's acting as well which is difficult again because as you know you
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hear him come into the scene the way that he's behaving suggests to me that he might be
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seeing this all for the very first time right he's walking into some [ __ ] and he's like oh my God what what the hell
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is going on yeah I have no clue and I've just walked into pure chaos blood all over my family yeah so the first time
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she mentions that knife it's her reacting to the operator's question of what is going on and at that point when
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she says that the man he ran out through the garage through the the knife down my
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babies are dying they're dead oh my God mhm she makes no mention of her picking up the knife on that first go round of
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that question which is interesting to me because if it was information that she really thought that she needed to plant
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and get out there and provide to everyone in the Heat of the Moment well she certainly passed on it on the first
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opportunity well and then the other one she says uh you all look out in the garage look out in the garage they left
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a knife laying on there's a knife don't touch it and that's when she says well I
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already touched it I picked it up but but I think it's weird though and I don't know what she's actually intending
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to mean when she says somebody who did it intentionally walked in here and did it that's odd that intentionally there's
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nothing touched and I don't know if she she meant that the Intruder came in and didn't touch anything but that's an odd
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line to me but again she I mean she's stabbed over four times how much of her body is in shock how much is she in
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shock from seeing her not just her kids dead but they're dying they're dying in front of her yeah if she's not guilty
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she's 100% in shock regardless of injuries or or what have you she would be absolutely in shock just at the sight
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of her children being bloodied like that and you can hear let's pretend for a moment that she is in fact innocent you
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can hear that she is fully aware the visuals that she is waking up to and seeing that she is aware that they are
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dying and that is that's the got to be the complete shock but to address the first thing that you had mentioned back
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to the knife when it's brought up the second time as you pointed out that the information is prompted by the operator
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don't touch anything well I already touched it you know she doesn't mention touching it until it's brought up by
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someone else and then as you pointed out I think the difficult thing here is at some point there's a lot going on and
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and very quickly in the call there's a lot going on because What You Can Hear What I Hear anyway and I'm sure
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everybody will have a slightly different opinion on what they are hearing and what they believe after reviewing the
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transcript what I am hearing or believe that I am hearing is that darly is trying to give
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the proper information to the operator but she's also kind of running and scrambling around the house I mean
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Envision this if if she is innocent she's waking up to the children dying and she's got injuries herself probably
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doesn't fully understand what had happened if she did in fact see or chase someone as they were leaving out of the
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home there's probably a lot of running around to make sure they're not coming back but also she doesn't know what
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happened to her husband or what happened to her her newborn and she's also trying
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to tend to the children from time to time I mean you can hear her kind of checking in on the children even though
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we will have officers and People First Responders later saying that she didn't seem to want to tend to the children but
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they weren't there for the early parts of this call this is very similar of a 911 call to me as as the Michael
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Peterson where he's talking to the dispatcher and then going back and checking on his wife and then going back
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and talking to the dispatcher it seems very similar but it's it's tough because I think your gut tells you if if they're
00:31:47
over dramatic that they're putting on a show but if they're under dramatic about
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it then they're coldhearted so it's it's almost like you can't win either way as
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far as what your gut reaction is going to be to a 911 call like this still on some of the things that you had brought
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up here Captain the portion of saying someone intentionally came in here nothing was touched nothing was touched
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I don't know we can if we can understand what she means by that first of all and
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second of all I don't think we know who she's even speaking to when she's saying
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those words right cuz we also don't know if the police off officer that's there that's where it's confusing too is the
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transcript states that the police officers are there way before the dispatcher is able to get darly to
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confirm that the police officers are there so did the police officers say something did her husband say something
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to her to prompt that like maybe the police officer says to her don't touch anything and she says nothing's been
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touched like other than the knife nothing's been touched I haven't touched anything right and again she we don't
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know who she's speaking to because we have Darren that arrives downstairs at some point she is interacting with him
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at portions of the call she's interacting with the operator and then you can hear operator and additional
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dispatchers on so there's some confusion there as well and again I hear Parts where she's clearly at least looking
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over or tending to the children in some form or fashion so we don't know who those words were intended for so it gets
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difficult to say that she's planting information for people later to use that as part of their
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investigation and then there's one part that became a point of contention in this case and that was where she says
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some man came in stabbed my baby stabbed me I woke up I was fighting he ran out through the garage threw the knife down
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my babies are dying they're dead oh my God okay so the reason why this is a point of contention is because
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the law enforcement and the prosecution will point out that oh you told the dispatcher you were fighting with the
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Intruder so how do you not have a description of this guy if you if you remember if you were
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actively fighting with him you should have some kind of description to provide to us and we know that she had such a
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very vague description she said later that and would you agree that the quality of the call the audio for the
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call is not the best it's awful it's it's it's not good so if she says that she said I woke up and I was frightened
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or it was frightening I don't know exactly what she says I've listened to it a bunch and I could be swayed either
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way I could be swayed either way the audio quality is so poor I can't tell if she's saying it was frightening I was
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frightened or I was fighting tell me if I'm wrong in this statement but investigating this a couple things jump
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out as far as her story whether her story changed or not we have police officers saying that she told them
00:35:09
different stories we have friends saying that she Twisted her stories here and there like little tiny details altered
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her husband is saying whatever statement that she gave to the police the final statement that's the statement she's
00:35:24
stuck with all these years and they even have you know defense attorneys and and lawyers saying hey
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whatever story she initially told that's the story she stuck with mm she's never
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changed it so one could she have just messed up uh some of the details because she was in shock and because of all the
00:35:47
stuff that was going on we know that eyewitnesses can be wrong so are these people just reporting the information
00:35:55
wrong that she told them well and we have to keep in mind what's going on at the scene when she calls when she first
00:36:03
places the call again the call is 5 minutes 44 seconds long before she hangs up the phone before the end of the call
00:36:12
police are on the scene and she's unaware that they are there the officer's probably calling into dispatch
00:36:19
saying hey I'm here but the front door is locked yeah they're saying ma'am are the
00:36:25
police there and she says yes and she go well is the front door unlocked and she
00:36:28
says yes and she then the dispatcher comes back and says you're going to have to unlock the front door so one thing in
00:36:36
I think in her favor here for her to be innocent is the fact that the the call is this length of time and she's on the
00:36:45
phone with the dispatcher still when police arrive on the scene so we we have we we can't see what she's doing right
00:36:53
we don't know exactly what she's doing physically during the course of this call however we do know that she is at
00:36:59
least busy with the call itself for this amount of time so during this time it would be it makes it a little extra
00:37:06
difficult for her to be further staging the scene while on the phone and police are arriving before the end of the call
00:37:15
plus as you pointed out at some point Darren comes downstairs after he hears the commotion she does not it doesn't
00:37:21
sound like she woke him you know intentionally went upstairs and woke that that he heard the commotion and
00:37:29
came down on his own to walk into this horrific scene one just to let everybody know to
00:37:36
understand the way in which this Intruder entered the house they they cut a screen and a
00:37:44
window in the garage got through that window in that garage got inside the garage and then
00:37:52
went through the house that way so I think the fact that the police show up in the front doors
00:37:59
locked at least leads more towards her story making sense and when they show up on scene we
00:38:09
have Devin who is already dead we have Damon who is still alive when First Responders get to the scene we have
00:38:18
darly who's bloodied she's running around and we have Darren who is downstairs performing CPR on Damon and
00:38:25
baby break is still upstairs at this point yeah so hold on for one second cuz Okay postpartum
00:38:35
depression what's the motive here can anybody give me a motive of why should want to do
00:38:43
this you want to get rid of two of your kids but not all the kids you you didn't try to kill your kids and
00:38:53
then blame it on your husband to get rid of him you don't you didn't try to attack him nobody else was attacked
00:39:01
other than who was in that front room and if if she's guilty and she wanted to kill her
00:39:13
kids why would she wake her husband up before the kids were dead well you see what I'm saying
00:39:25
because but again she doesn't actively it doesn't show any intention of her purposely waking
00:39:33
Darren what I where where my questions go to is if she were to kill her sons and Stage the
00:39:43
scene right why would she call 911 when one of them is still alive right because
00:39:48
now you're running a huge risk of you know these kids are old they're still little kids but they're old enough that
00:39:53
they could tell yeah my mom stabbed me yeah if they're still alive they could tell the First Responders what went what
00:40:00
actually went down so you can hear her on the phone she is aware that one of them is still
00:40:06
alive so why would she call why wouldn't she just wait a few more minutes right and then call and act all hysterical and
00:40:15
and I guarantee you she was being hysterical way before the 911 call and again that points towards why would
00:40:28
you want to wake I mean look you don't know if the she's not a medical expert so if she
00:40:39
again if the purpose was just to kill these kids and to get rid of them then her husband comes down but at the time
00:40:47
he comes down aren't both of the boys alive so that would give I two chances for the victims to say mom did
00:40:57
this that I don't know I all I can say is that when well in fact actually we do have
00:41:05
some evidence toward that that thought there captain and we will get into that a quick little timeline here before we
00:41:13
get to what I believe are two very key parts of this whole story which would be the statements of darle and the
00:41:21
statements of Darren okay that's going to add us a little more insight into what is actually going on and you
00:41:28
already referenced some items at the crime scene itself and we'll get into those as well but real quick here
00:41:33
captain on June 6th 1996 that is when Devon and Damon ages 6 and five were murdered again Damon is still alive at
00:41:44
the point when the First Responders get to the scene darly is taken immediately to the hospital because she has suffered
00:41:53
some injuries during the course of this attack then we have a situation where on
00:41:58
June 8th darly gives a written statement to police okay so this statement that she provides to police the information I
00:42:08
have says that it took her approximately 30 minutes to write this statement for the police and this she gave to them a
00:42:16
written statement once she was released from the hospital so she's released from
00:42:21
the hospital and she is immediately directly taken to the police station at the police reest to provide this
00:42:28
statement and in her statement she says Darren and Dana her husband and my sister came home
00:42:37
from working at the shop the boys were playing with the neighborhood kids outside I was finishing up dinner Damon
00:42:44
came home and Devon called and I told him to be home soon because we were going to eat Darren played with the baby
00:42:52
this is the infant Drake with Dana her sister while I pulled everything together to eat Devon came home and we
00:42:59
all ate dinner together there's too many people with d names after we ate we cleaned all the plates I CH I was
00:43:06
changing Drake while Darren put everything in some containers for leftovers we all talked a little bit
00:43:14
about how happy we were that the shop had been so busy for the past 3 weeks as that we had hoped it would continue
00:43:22
since work had been slow for a couple of months Devon and Damon asked if they could play with one of their friends a
00:43:28
little longer so we said okay Darren Dana and I sat around and watched a little TV later I'm not sure of exact
00:43:39
time I asked Darren to drive Dana home because I wasn't feeling too well while Darren was gone the boys brought down
00:43:48
their blankets and pillows and asked if they could watch TV I said yes they came
00:43:53
downstairs and played on the floor in front of the TV with Drake while I made some popcorn about 20 to 25 minutes
00:44:00
later Darren came Darren came in and sat down with us while we watched TV Drake started to get fussy so I made him a
00:44:09
bottle soon after the boys fell asleep Darren took the baby upstairs and put him in his crib and came back downstairs
00:44:17
we talked about a few problems we were having with the car and the boat and had a few words between us since I had the
00:44:25
baby I have been having some depression I told Darren I was depressed because I hadn't been able to take the boys
00:44:33
anywhere because we only had one car he told me he loved me and asked me if I wanted him to sleep downstairs with me
00:44:41
because I wanted to stay up and watch a little TV I told him no because I didn't
00:44:47
think he would be able to sleep on the couch and get any sleep I had been sleeping on the couch the past week or
00:44:53
so off and on because the baby slept in our room in the crib and when he moved he woke me up Darren and I laid together
00:45:02
for a little bit while then decided to go to sleep because he had to work the next day this was around 12:30 or 1 I'm
00:45:12
not sure he kissed me and said he loved me and I told him I loved him and would see him in the morning after a while I
00:45:20
started to get sleepy the next thing I wake up and I feel pressure on me I felt Damon press on my right shoulder and
00:45:29
heard him cry this made me really come awake and I realized there was a man standing down at my feet walking away
00:45:38
from me I walked after him and heard glass breaking I got halfway through the kitchen and turned back around to run
00:45:46
and turn on the light I ran back towards the utility room and realized there was
00:45:51
a big white handled knife lying on the floor it was then that I realized I have blood all over me and I grabbed the
00:45:59
knife thinking he was in the garage so I thought he might still be there and I yelled for Darren I ran back through the
00:46:07
kitchen and realized the entire living area had blood all over everything I put the knife on the counter and ran into
00:46:14
the entrance turned on the light and started screaming for Darren I think I scream twice and he ran out of the
00:46:22
bedroom with his jeans on and no glasses and was yelling what is it what is it I
00:46:28
remember saying he cut them he tried to kill me my neck he ran down the stairs and into the room where the boys were I
00:46:36
grabbed the phone and called 911 Darren started giving Devon CPR while I put a towel on my neck and a towel over
00:46:44
Damon's back I remember telling Damon to hang on mommy was there I looked over at
00:46:50
Darren and saw the glass table had been knocked halfway off and the flower arrangement had been knocked over I then
00:46:57
stood up and turned around and saw glass all over the kitchen floor I tried to glance over to see if anything was out
00:47:05
of place or if anything was missing I took a few steps and opened the door and screamed for Karen okay so this is Karen
00:47:13
Neil it's their neighbor and friend she's also a nurse I was still on the phone with 911 and I don't recall what
00:47:21
all was said because everything was happening so fast I went back to Damon and by then he had stopped moving and
00:47:28
the police walked through the door the paramedics came and tried to work on the children Darren was screaming who did
00:47:36
this who did this and I started asking if my babies were dead Darren was crying and said yes after I just remembered
00:47:45
screaming and showing Darren my neck Darren took me out to the front of the house and by then Darren ran upstairs to
00:47:53
make sure the baby was okay and then hand him to Karen our neighbor I remember them holding a towel on my neck
00:48:00
and wrapping my arm and then they put me in an ambulance Darren got in but they told him he needed to leave so they
00:48:09
could take care of me I remember we got to the hospital and them telling me they
00:48:15
were taking me to surgery they took off my necklace and put me to sleep I woke up and minutes later the detectives were
00:48:23
there making me all kinds of questions at the same time here Captain keep in mind dar's been rushed from the hospital
00:48:32
directly to the police station to give that statement we have her husband Darren he's now providing a written
00:48:39
statement as well at the same time and his statement reads as follows we were watching TV in the Roman room watching
00:48:47
movie on HBO baby Drake had fallen asleep about 10 10:30 I took him up to bed in parents room put blanket on him
00:48:55
him and turned out lights I went downstairs to talk to darly we talked about the boys not being able to start
00:49:01
baseball yet because we were so busy with the baby right now we talked about the business bills and how darly was
00:49:09
having a hard time with taking care of the babies today darly said she wanted to sleep on the couch because she would
00:49:15
sleep better because the baby would keep her awake the boys were asleep with pillows and blankets on the floor Devon
00:49:23
was asleep face up in front of the TV and Damon was asleep between the couch and coffee table by the couch mom was on
00:49:32
so I went upstairs to get her a blanket and pillow and came back downstairs to cover her up we talked a little more
00:49:38
about her going to Cancun with some friends across the street and gave her a kiss good night told her to dream about
00:49:46
me and went upstairs around 1:00 a.m. I went and turned on TV in our room and watched for 10 to 15 minutes I took my
00:49:54
glasses off and turned TV off I could not go to sleep for a while but finally I fell asleep unconsciously I heard a
00:50:02
noise and then darly screaming loud she was yelling Devon Devon oh my God Devon I woke up quickly and grabbed my glasses
00:50:12
on the nightstand and ran downstairs as fast as I could going into the living room I ran over to Devon lying on the
00:50:20
floor where he was when I saw him last and kneel down over over him to see if he was hurtt and then looked at the
00:50:30
coffee table to see it tipped over on him when I looked again at his chest there were two holes in his chest with
00:50:37
blood and muscles piercing out I slapped his face to get him to say or look at me
00:50:44
no response I started CPR and when I blew into his mouth air came out of his chest I blew five or six times and held
00:50:53
my hand over the holes on on his chest then when that didn't work I blew into one of the holes in his chest I looked
00:51:03
over at darly and she was on the phone calling 911 I ran over to Damon lying on the floor in the hallway between wall
00:51:10
and side of couch he had no pulse but I could not see any injuries police came in and I told them that my babies were
00:51:20
stabbed and she told them that he went out of the garage I I ran upstairs to put my pants on I looked over at Drake
00:51:29
was crying and I felt he was okay I noticed my wallet left on the floor and all I could think to do was to go to
00:51:37
Karen's house for help I needed someone to help and the paramedics when they arrived I went downstairs ran out the
00:51:45
house ran across the street to Karen and Terry door I banged five six times as hard as I could until Terry comes to the
00:51:54
door first and when I told them that Devon and Damon were stabbed they were in shock
00:52:01
and ran over with me to the house and that was when they were putting Damon on a stretcher I knew that Devon was dead
00:52:09
before I ran across the street and Damon had no pulse but the paramedic carried him out in a blanket out the front door
00:52:18
I ran out yelling that we have to find who did this and Karen told me that darly was cut too I never knew that she
00:52:26
was hurt yet she had blood all over her from the neck down to the bottom of her night shirt she was standing in the
00:52:33
doorway with the paramedics said she needed to go to the hospital so we helped her into the stretcher and she
00:52:40
said Darren you have to promise me we will find this man he killed our babies I walked back into the house pushed my
00:52:49
way through the police and saw the knife on the bar in the kitchen with blood all
00:52:54
over it went to garage to look at the window that the police had said he had entered and I went out of the house and
00:53:01
walked across the street and the neighbors were there to confront me and ask about what happened I sat for a
00:53:09
minute on the curb and walked over to the ambulance where Damon was and asked paramedic was he alive and they said no
00:53:18
I was in shock Karen told me to go with darly in the ambulance so I got in and they threw me out
00:53:25
said they needed to work so then they asked me questions from the fire department he
00:53:32
says they wanted to know his social security number address and name and such and I asked what hospital and no
00:53:37
one knew so found out where darly went this would have been Baylor Dallas hospital and drove over to the hospital
00:53:45
at hospital I was questioned by detective fros for hours is there any eyewitness statements neighborhood
00:53:53
statements that heard her scream or saw anything suspicious that night so in reviewing the trial and the testimony of
00:54:04
witnesses and such no there doesn't seem to be anybody that was aware that something was going on that night until
00:54:12
they were alerted by either Darren or police or you know saw the the flashing lights and heard the sirens right there
00:54:20
were plenty of people to have an opinion about dar's Behavior what kind of mother she was and plenty
00:54:28
of opinions about the rers in general so to me Captain the thing that jumps off both Pages here from their statements is
00:54:37
they don't seem to line up 100% with each other statements and second of all they don't
00:54:43
seem to line up 100% with what it sounded to me like what was going on during the course of the 911 call right
00:54:51
because it sounds like darly has the recollection that she may have woke Darren up as she's getting ready to call
00:54:59
911 but to back that up a little bit his statement does say that he comes in sees
00:55:05
what's going on reacts to it and then the first he really sees darly after that she's in the process of calling 911
00:55:12
are already on the phone with them now my general thoughts are this though in regards to Darley statement and Darren's
00:55:20
statement I don't know that I would fully expect them to 100% line up I mean this is a if they're innocent it's too
00:55:29
much trauma for their stories to line up this is a a whole lot of chaos within a
00:55:35
five to six minute window of time yeah chaos is probably a better word than trauma and for them to have a full
00:55:43
understanding and a point by Point blow byblow recollection of what went down and how it went down and in every second
00:55:50
and every minute of what was happening you know what to be honest with you I would be more suspicious of
00:55:57
them together if their statements did 100% line up yeah Bingo because there were two days between the time that the
00:56:04
murders took place and these statements were given or a day and a half I don't know exactly what time of day these
00:56:11
statements were were given at the police department but the murders were on the sixth the statements written by these
00:56:17
two individuals individually on the eth but the other thing I do want to point out too you know because one thing that
00:56:24
law enforcement will use against darly is that her statement does not line up with what they were seeing at the crime
00:56:30
scene and the problem I have with that is look I agree first off I agree that her statements do not line up perfectly
00:56:38
with with some of the physical evidence at the crime scene itself but her words they took me to the
00:56:46
hospital they get me there they take off you know my jewelry my clothing they knocked me out put me to sleep so they
00:56:53
could put me into surgery right next thing I know I wake up she says minutes later anybody that's ever been knocked
00:56:59
out for a surgery will tell you and I've had this happened twice in my lifetime I've been put under two maybe three
00:57:06
times put under and then had a surgery and you swear to God that you're waking up and you're like I was I can't believe
00:57:14
you guys work so fast I was only out like 30 seconds and then somebody tells you like no you were out for a couple
00:57:21
hours or you were out for a day that's one that I feel like Rings true in her statement there where she says they took
00:57:28
off my clothes they took off my jewelry they put me out and then I went into surgery and then I woke up a couple
00:57:34
minutes later or I woke up minutes later and the police are asking me questions and then they took me off to the police
00:57:40
station and then we have later where we have uh people testifying that she was drugged up afterwards as one would
00:57:49
expect because she's been pretty severely injured in my opinion but again that goes
00:57:56
to the opinions vary depending on who you talk to regarding her injuries well and and painkillers affect everybody
00:58:04
completely different and so if I was in the hospital all for a couple days and the day I got out I was still on pain
00:58:13
medication I wouldn't be I wouldn't be able to put together my correct thoughts I mean I already sound like a stoner and
00:58:21
I'm not stoned I mean can you imagine if I'm all hoop up on pain pills and double
00:58:26
down on the fact that you were just I mean just minutes or maybe hours before writing out the statement you were in a
00:58:33
hospital bed right so here's what the the doctor testified to at the trial Dr Santos testified that darly was given
00:58:41
Xanax to treat anxiety and she was also given Demerol for the pain this is after
00:58:47
the surgery so she's on Xanax and Demerol and just been whisked away from a hospital bed to the police station to
00:58:56
give a written statement to police that oh by the way whatever you write here today we're going to hold this over your
00:59:02
head for the rest of your life so it's an important document we're going to use this to either clear you or build a case
00:59:10
against you I want to think that darly or her husband was thinking that they're going to take these statements and and
00:59:17
go over with a fine tooth comb to press charges against her I I I bet that was even a thought at this moment right she
00:59:26
doesn't know that they're building a case against her that they already suspect her at this point so you say
00:59:33
this is 2 days after M the murder to me that's not enough time to collect all the evidence at the scene get it tested
00:59:42
for us to know whether or not there was an intruder or not so it seems like to me like similar same year case two John
00:59:51
Ben Ramsey you're you're coming up with with theories and then you're going to try to prove your theory before the
00:59:59
evidence can tell you what happened well and you can't really make darly give you a written
01:00:09
statement any earlier than this because she's at the hospital she's under doctor's care she's knocked out she's in
01:00:15
surgery but what's a little weird to me is wouldn't you want to get a written statement from Darren as quick as
01:00:22
possible why does he get wait the same amount of time he's not in surgery he's not been injured at all in the course of
01:00:31
this attack or whatever went down well unless they're afraid if they say hey we need a statement from you and he gives a
01:00:37
statement and then he tells his wife well yeah I I gave the police a statement and she goes well what did you
01:00:44
tell them so maybe that's why they waited I can agree with that that would be that would be an idea there but but
01:00:52
also if you don't believe her statements are you asking for a polygraph test well
01:00:57
and again back to the drugs and in her state of mind or what it could have been at the time of writing the statement who
01:01:03
knows but again they they are going to hold the statement against her in court and the the testimony by Dr Santos is
01:01:13
testified that darly was given Xanax to treat anxiety and Demerol for pain when asked under
01:01:21
questioning says what all can demoral make you groggy yes could general anesthetic in your experience lead to
01:01:29
confusion yes can it lead to disorientation yes can it lead to short-term memory loss yes would you
01:01:37
agree doctor that to be questioned sometime before 8 in the morning let's say 6:05 hypothetically to be questioned
01:01:46
about very serious events at 605 1 hour and 5 minutes after anesthesia being cut
01:01:52
off would you be somewhat suspect as to the response you may receive from a patient answer you may get an unreliable
01:02:02
response yes yeah again but coming up with the theory before you get all the evidence back is
01:02:12
irresponsible and then on top of that let's get statements from somebody that we
01:02:19
know see again here's my problem with it it's irresponsible to come with the theory you know it's irresponsible to
01:02:27
question her when she just got out of the hospital but I think I think that was part of their play hey she she might not
01:02:37
say things correctly and that's going to work in our favor because now we already
01:02:42
created the theory now we're just trying to put the puzzles puzzle pieces however
01:02:47
we want to to fit that narrative well I I don't necessarily agree with the idea that they are wa waiting to get her
01:02:55
statement and then building the case around her afterwards I know that it took some time to get that statement
01:03:01
again she's in surgery you can't do anything about that but they're working the crime scene during this whole time
01:03:06
before they're able to get her statement so they are aware of certain pieces of physical evidence before getting the
01:03:14
statement from her so right but what I'm saying is not all the evidence is collected not all the evidence is tested
01:03:21
evidence is supposed to lead you to a theory not to have a theory first so yes I I agree with you there's been some
01:03:29
work at the crime scene that would give you some information but you you didn't wait to get all the information to get
01:03:37
all the evidence to get everything tested back before you created your narrative before you created your story
01:03:45
of what happened which of course is certainly possible but I don't know that we want to say that that's exactly what
01:03:51
in fact went down because we don't know when police came up with the narrative that that darly killed her her children
01:03:59
or had a a 100% case built around her what you would know immediately going into the crime scene and what some of
01:04:08
the evidence you would know before even having to test it is you're going to see
01:04:14
that the murder weapon you have re evidence to believe before any testing goes down the murder weapon came from
01:04:23
inside the home so now that makes you a little more suspicious of people inside the home
01:04:29
rather than people outside of the home there was also some indication that with the way that the screen was cut and the
01:04:36
way that the screen appeared once police were on the scene that it only looked like somebody went in the screen but
01:04:45
never came back out through the screen so they were a little testy about the whole idea of well this Intruder came in
01:04:53
this way and then fled back out the same way he came in based off of what they were seeing at the crime
01:05:00
scene they also didn't find anything missing they didn't find again you brought up a good point one really
01:05:09
freaking troubling part of this whole case is motive right yeah what what would be the motive for darly to kill
01:05:16
her sons not kill her other son not kill her husband and turn the knife on herself what would be the motive for
01:05:23
darling to do it but also what would be the motive for an intruder to come in and kill these kids and attack her well
01:05:30
she had an infant so you know I don't have a lot of understanding of you know part postpartum
01:05:37
depression but some kind of mental illness could be the reason that's the only thing that I can
01:05:45
see here I can't see any other motive but then also like you said I mean we can't say that we can't say that
01:05:55
this Intruder came in there just to murder right MH that the Intruder could have came in for a
01:06:04
multitude of reasons agreed you know to oh well here's this uh young mother that
01:06:10
lives there and and I find her attractive so you know it's a sexual motivation there or that they're going
01:06:17
to break into the house and and now that uh I'm in here I don't maybe the the people would recognize me so I have to
01:06:27
kill anybody that that possibly could identify me cuz for all we know the kids woke up and saw this individual yeah so
01:06:36
it's very tough I mean it the motive on either end um just doesn't make a lot of
01:06:42
sense what do you think Captain about the whole thought of she saying the purpose of me sleeping downstairs is so
01:06:48
the baby doesn't wake me up but then you know the prosecution and detectives want
01:06:55
to know well then why didn't you wake up earlier during the attack if you're such
01:07:00
a light sleeper yeah I would I'd question when she was stabbed and is any of the wounds that she has would that
01:07:11
cause her to black out at any point because this neck wound which a lot of people have tried to state that the her
01:07:21
neck wound is a flesh wound I think it was like two millimeters away from the kateed artery two millimet away
01:07:28
from killing her correct and that doesn't mean that she did not self-inflict the wound is it
01:07:37
possible that she fought with this Intruder and because of whether it's being HD on the head whether it's being
01:07:47
stabbed that she actually blocked out and then came back to there are expert experts that have said and did say
01:07:55
during the course of her trial based off of her injuries that there there's likelihood
01:08:01
that she may not recall everything that actually went down one based off of the trauma of her injuries but also the idea
01:08:11
that she's waking up into the middle of a situation so you kind of it's a double
01:08:15
whammy effect there too and now I am a light sleeper I'm not going to consider myself to be any kind of sleep expert
01:08:23
but I will say this my light sleeping is can be an issue for me there are nights that I I
01:08:30
miss out on a lot of sleep because of that I'm not a light sleeper every night of my life right every day of my life if
01:08:39
I if I'm sleeping anywhere other than my home I'm an extremely light sleeper I'm
01:08:44
I just I'm height and awareness whatever I don't know what it is I it's hard for
01:08:48
me to sleep in hotel rooms or be a guest at somebody's home without you know I basically just sleep for a couple hours
01:08:54
at Best if I'm at home and everything is perfect Everything Is Right sometimes I
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sleep like a rock and there's not a whole lot of Rhyme or Reason to why I sleep better some nights and why I sleep
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not great other nights a lot of it Bas is based off of how tired I am one thing we know is she's busy taking care of
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three kids one of them is an infant she could have just been flat out exhausted at this point right and one thing that's
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interesting to me too and and you had referenced narrative a couple of times there is certainly something going on
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because we talked about motive well the law enforcement and the the prosecution they are easy and quick to
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point out motive for darly to have committed these murders and then their argument is well there's no motive for
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an intruder and I don't think that's correct I don't think that's right I can see just as many EX until you until you
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catch the guy again pretending that she's in innocent until you catch the guy or
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identify who it could be you may not know the motive of that individual for their actions and I think there's equal
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amounts like you were saying equal amounts for both possibilities if darly did it or if in fact there was an
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intruder an equal amount of motives well again I think it always drives me nuts when we're having conversations about a
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possible Intruder and they go well nothing was taken it's like well maybe they didn't get a chance to and that's
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why there was a murder and maybe the person is technically not a murderer they're they're a thief but because
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somebody could identify them they became a murderer one troubling thing to me though Captain is it would have taken a
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bladed weapon let's say it would have taken a blade to cut through that screen and police will quickly tell you that in
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this scenario it makes zero sense to them because because most of the time burglars which I actually don't think
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that there was a burglar all right if if if we're going to pretend there was an intruder I don't think I don't think
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looking for valuables was the the motive here for going into the home uhuh so police will be quick to point out that
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most of the time a burglar will not bother to cut a screen they will just simply remove the screen as it's
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normally fairly easy to do in this case it would have been easy to do and then they just hop in the window and hop back
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out or leave through a door on their way out but if it would have been a burglar
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that see that's a whole different kind of criminal a burglar comes into a home sees people in there that they they want
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to burglarize the home when no one is there they pick a home that they think that they could either get in and get
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out real quick Smash and grab or Smash and grab and nobody's there they don't have to bother with anybody mhm a
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burglar would have came into the home home seen her Andor the children and then just turned around and left that's
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what a burglar would have done if in fact it was an intruder that attacked his family there was a different motive
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for going into that house altogether but one thing I keep coming back to that's Troublesome for me and
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goes against dar's case that she's innocent is it would have taken a blade to cut through that screen that's
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everything that they've told us from the test that they conducted on that screen
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mhm so why if I already have a blade on me to cut the screen to get into the house am I picking up a blade from
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inside the house to murder these people no I I agree and I would like to know how they know for sure that this knife
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came from inside the house was it a part of a set yeah it's part of a set it's one it would have been taken from a
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butcher block that was inside the home and to take it a step further cuz I have like random knives and so that's why I
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wondered is is it possible that it it's not from a set and they they thought it was from like just a random knife from a
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a drawer or something yes exactly a lot of people just have a drawer full of knives that they've you know collected
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somehow throughout the years you know gift or something they purchased themselves and it's a it's a hodgepodge
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of what you have maybe the colors don't match up maybe you have a lot of the same kind of blade and you're missing
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other specifics but um this was taken from a butcher block and it was to take it a step further though too I could
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find nowhere that Darren or darly were disputing that the knife came from inside the home right they're not saying
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no it wasn't our knife in fact it seems to be agreed upon by all parties that the knife did in fact come from inside
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the home but if I'm breaking into a house hypothetically and I use a pocket knife
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or I use a box cutter and then I go into the house and I put that back into my pocket and then I'm startled by maybe a
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kid waking up or seeing people laying there you reach for the closest item right so and and based off that it makes
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sense because from the garage you have to go through the kitchen and in that kitchen area you would see
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them you see the people that were in the family room also I'd like to paint a picture of a sophisticated criminal for
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you a sophisticated criminal would enter that home and again this would be for motives that are are well beyond the the
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scope of burglarizing the home I do not know the exact you know the windows and stuff for this house uh
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I've seen the outside of the house and portions of the inside but one question I keep coming back to is if there were
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someone outside of the home looking to break into a home and then rape a female victim inside right think about the way
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that they described everybody going to bed if if you're a rapist and you're outside looking in through the windows
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peeking in to see if you could you know if there's a potential victim inside maybe you don't know the house maybe you
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do not know the people inside or who the home belongs to but if you're looking inside the way that everybody describes
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the sleeping arrangements to me it's very likely that a rapist looking in the window would see darly 26 years old
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lying on the couch and from that vantage point I have to wonder would he be able
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to see two small children lying on the floor right they're not laying all together next to each other the boys are
01:15:51
on the floor she's in the couch husband upstairs you don't see him at all if you're peeking in the window and
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if you're a sophisticated criminal you're entering the home already with gloves on thy hands and you know what
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you don't want to leave at the scene is a weapon that you brought with yourself so use your box cutter or your pocket
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knife to cut the te into the screen outside go in through the garage through the utility room into the kitchen knife
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block right there I'm going to use one of their knives to threaten my female victim whether my intention is to kill
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her or not I'm using one of their knives because if I leave it here it doesn't lead back to me they can't trace this
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knife back to me I have gloves on my hand yeah and have you ever tried to cut a screen the screen part of a window
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dozens of times yes but there's also there's also so a possibility that there's not it wasn't there wasn't a cut
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at all you the way those things are made once you start like a rip in that screen
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it's going to stay in a straight line and then if I rip it to the other side or pull it back to the other side you
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could you could um depend you know as long as there's some kind of hole or some kind of damage to that screen you
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could easily rip a t into that that screen without using a knife exactly exactly and then you have to wonder
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would the crime scene analysis would they be able to determine by looking at it if it were in fact cut or torn yeah
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torn or or you use your your keys to to make those um the initial incision so you could
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rip the screen their stance has always been in regards to the screen that it was cut in a in the shape of a t so
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somebody would have made a uh horizontal cut and then in the center of that roughly in the center of that made a
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vertical cut down there's so many reasons that this case is so frustrating but one if if she is guilty what the
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heck is the motive cuz at least I can come up with a couple plausible motives that makes sense if
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