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[Applause] [Music] all right all right all right all right and we're back and welcome to the
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show hope you all having a great time I guess we should start off by talking about extremely Wicked shockingly evil
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and vile the new Ted Bundy movie right or the Ted Bundy Netflix movie as they're calling it on the
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streets right right the streets of Columbus starring Zack Efron I would say he was very good five out of five bottle
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caps for Zack Efron okay okay cuz I was going to say wait a second you told me lower than that for your overall opinion
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of the movie and I'm like but what has changed in in the short period of time yeah but his performance was his
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performance great yeah yeah and it was interesting too because I knew that James Hatfield was in the movie
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beforehand that was I think Zack afron was talking to like Jimmy kemel or somebody M and said oh yeah you know
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James Hatfield's in this movie and it was an honor to meet him because he's a huge Metallica fan and then I was
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thinking why is James Hatfield in this movie he should be in every movie well he's a police officer which
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is interesting but and he does a great job he's in a couple scenes and he he cleaned up his look a little bit to look
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the part you know like I think there was some shaving that occurred beforehand and we didn't see like you know tattoos
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sticking out from the the police uniform yeah and there's a but there's this weird connection cuz Joe Berlinger the
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director which most people know from the the docu series Paradise Lost mhm which
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had tons of Metallica songs in it he also him and some other guy there they were a documentary
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team they did some kind of monster which was a documentary about Metallica so it
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was probably just like hey James if you want to be a part of this movie it's going to be on Netflix and there's a lot
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of people in this movie um that you see that you normally would see in certain roles like Sheldon
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for example yeah you know what I actually thought the the surprise for me was it was pretty star studded yeah you
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know like there was some there was some big actors and big actresses in it and I
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had it on my to-do list of of things to watch I'm not going to lie I was not like super excited to watch it um for
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somebody who's spent so much time in one's life reading about Ted Bundy I thought oh here's another Bundy thing
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and some of the ones that have been done in the past there's been at least one maybe two Bundy movies let's say before
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those were not good but those didn't have those were those were not good yeah th those didn't have like much of a
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budget you know where this you could tell they they had a lot of time and a lot of money to spend on it and um uh
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who was the guy that played the judge cuz I can't think of his malov oh John malovich and he's fantastic as joh
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another five out of five bottle cap yes absolutely and Sheldon whoever that guy is five out of five bottle caps I think
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he was extremely believable as a prosecutor and I like the way he decided to portray the the character yeah that
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it's kind of a weird thing Jim Parsons is his name okay amazing actor but because he's so great as Sheldon you're
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always going to think of him as Sheldon just kind like Kramer Kramer was so good
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as Kramer you're like oh you know Kramer but yeah John malovic five out of five stars I thought uh Jim Parson five out
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of five bottle caps uh Lily Collins which was the girlfriend um the Elizabeth Kendall okay
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um Liz five out of five bottle caps for sure and a lot of people C on the fence we had Haley Joel
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Osman Osment um which was the boyfriend after Ted Bundy wait is he the I see dead people kid yeah and that's the
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thing is like his face hasn't really changed much so he he's going to look like he's in his teenage years I mean
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he's got a young looking face yeah yeah unless they start like unless he gets attacked by a couple house cats or
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something he's always going to have that baby face even you can put the biggest beard on him uh but I thought he did I
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thought all the actors in general were great I thought the I thought the six sense guy was was very good actually
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yeah and it took me half the movie to figure out who he was and how where I've seen him before because we're talking
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about you know he played that role as a as a little boy and now he's dead people
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he's a full grown man with a beard except for his face except for his baby face so what what
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was interesting about this was it was released to some Select theaters the original release was at
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Sundance but it was released in a couple Select theaters so very interesting there because most of the time something
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goes to Netflix That's Where It's At well and this is is this a Netflix original yes okay so but the fact that
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they put it out a couple um box offices so it did make hundred and some thousand
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dollars at the box office but I think they just did that because I I don't really know why but I I think it's kind
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of cool that you could go watch it in theaters if you wanted to and and and why not make if you're a big True Crime
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fan why not make a night of it go out get some popcorn and I thought the movie overall was you know pretty good I was
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raing it for a while three out of five bottle caps mhm is what I was giving it and the more I
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talk about it and the more I think about it and the performance the ending was so
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good parts of the movie I think lacked but the end of the movie to me was so good that I'm like yeah 3.5 out
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of five bottle caps is probably what i' give it but I think over time this is going to be a movie that people talk
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about and over time people will think wow this was a lot better than I thought it was well these types of movies and I
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don't just mean like a a true story you know where you're you're really just going off of a true story I don't mean
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that I mean the serial killer type true stories right they're hard to do in my opinion I one not only because you know
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the general outcome of everything that's going to happen or or take place or where it's going to lead by the end of
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the movie right but your main character typically you know here was Tim Ted Bundy and he's not somebody that I like
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at all ever have and you're watching this person who you know is a horrible horrible individual doing normal day
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every guy everyday stuff right and I think that makes it tough to to tell the story where for me personally it's it's
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a little different than uh it's actually quite different than watching like a slasher type film you know because in
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this situation you're watching a guy do everyday normal stuff but you know on the side that's who he actually is is is
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a slasher right so um but it's tough here though too because you can be fascinated by certain serial killers you
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know a lot of people are fascinated by Bundy um has never been in my top three uh serial killers that I was fascinated
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by um but he is fascinating and but this is also based off of the Phantom Prince
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my life with Ted Bundy by Elizabeth k and so I think that's where some people have issue with the the film
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is you don't see him commit any of these crimes you don't really they kind of make it blurry did he commit these
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crimes is he Innocent but in the reality of things and in Elizabeth's reality she
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was she didn't know so now he's on trial and when he became on trial I think the trial was really
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important for her because if other people found him guilty then she wouldn't feel the burden mhm and I think
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she could live with that and then move on so it is a very interesting take on it uh like I said I think Zack Efron did
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a great job and and and also John malovich was amazing I mean John malovich is character which what's so cool is at the
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end I'm not going to give anything in a way but at the end they do show Real Clips cuz some of this the trial was
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televised mhm and so the extremely Wicked shockingly evil and vile that comes right from lines that the actual
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judge said to Ted Bundy during the trial so yeah and Lake samamish right right when they brought that up I was like oh
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yeah that weird samamish and and we covered obviously the three the trilogy we did uh three
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parts on Ted Bundy so if anybody wants to listen back to those they can yeah the the only part I didn't care for that
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I didn't think held up to the truth very well was the uh disco or the nightclub when he's in in
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Florida because the the way that they portrayed it was he was still happy gol lucky he was partying it up he was um
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flirting with women and enticing women and they were they were dancing with him and talking with him and from what
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everything I've ever read regarding that portion of his serial killing career if
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you want to call it that right is that's not who he was at that time that he had
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he had spiraled completely out of control by that time and so much to the point that people that were there that
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night they said you could you could tell there was something off with this dude and girls wouldn't talk to him that
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night women wouldn't talk to him that night and so much because keep in mind too he goes to a college campus area and
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he's going to go to this area that's and party with these young women that are you know college age or or early 20s but
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by this time he's much older than that because he's moved his way across the United States escaped from prison twice
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and by then he would have been maybe early 30s or something so it was a combination of he didn't look the part
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for that bar that that nightclub right that that nobody really wanted to talk to him but it was also that he some
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people said you know how like with some of these individuals you can it's weird because some of these
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people I really feel like as they get older they really start to like the evil that's inside of them seeps out into
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their appearance at some point mhm and that's what a lot of people kind of said about Ted Bundy by that point that he
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was there was something about him that was off and the whole reason why he went into the
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um to the sorority was because he couldn't get a woman there that night that that was his
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intention to find a victim somebody to that would be willing to go home with him or get in his car and they would be
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the victim and and he couldn't control his murderous rage and addiction so much so that he had to find a victim when
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there was nobody that was willing to go with him because remember he used to use
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the a lot of rses and a and a lot of you know some of his charm to just get women
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to go with him somewhere right and I the other problem I had with it was Zack Efron as Ted Bundy's walking down the
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street and all the girls are turning their heads and I think that's just a mischaracterization
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of what happened I think was Ted an ugly guy no he wasn't ugly he wasn't hideous
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but he used his charm and his ability to he was a uh he's a con man yeah his lying
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skills were amazing so once you get inside that you know and that that's what's different you know a lot of times
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men are so visual and so drawn by outward appearances that you know once they start talking to a a girl at a bar
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that's not might that might not draw them in more but women are like well he's decent looking or he's somewhat
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attractive then they start talking and the personality the charm comes out that makes him a more Charming individual
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more likely to go home with that guy mhm and so I just think that like there was
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a scene where he had to go to the library to study and every girl he walked past there were just kind of like
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goooo Gaga eyes over him and it's like that just didn't happen in reality I I'm and I also think too once the trial hit
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the television screen that pretty much anybody that was on TV back in the day was a celebrity so therefore he became a
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celebrity but even like Charles Manson which looks like a hideous little rat had people going oh my God he's so
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attractive because they hit that TV screen and now they become a celebrity well and for some
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reason for some reason that I will never understand um sometimes and it happens with men too uh but we we're less aware
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of it but sometimes women become attracted to these horrible individuals that are on trial yeah and and I mean
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Scott Peterson and uh Turtle face there's there's a list of there's a long list of that scenario and like I said
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men have done it as well with some of of these trials I don't know that you see what I would in quotation air quotes say
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the groupies um but yeah but but I think some of that this is going to sound strange but I think some of that is
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because that person is safe I mean because one they're behind bars but they're safe because they're at a
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distance they can communicate with somebody that they think they know and really the communication is just kind of
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a time waster or time filler for the person that doesn't want go out into the real world and try to discover somebody
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new a lot of times you find out that somebody went through a very difficult divorce or a very difficult breakup or
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even their partner passed away and then they became INF fixated with one of these killers and I think that's because
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they're using it as a me mechanism to build some walls and so hey I can talk to this person that I can never meet
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because they're behind behind bars so so uh Google users give it a 88% IMDb gives it a 6.7 out of 10 the
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critics give it a 52 which is pretty low and on Rotten Tomatoes which I believe is the Critics Choice uh or the critics
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score is 57 so critics not too good on this movie it seems like people that watch it are a little higher like I said
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I'll go 3.5 but ask me in a year and I bet money I'll say a four out of five and what were what
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what what score would you give it I I think I'm right there with you I thought it was really good um it's definitely
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worth watching it was better than I had expected um and not be I think I had low
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expectations because I did have a couple people tell me that they didn't think it
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was very good um it's under two hours I definitely think it's worth the watch oh
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yeah yeah I if you know for the True Crime Buffs out there it's it's a very entertaining uh movie and it's an
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interesting take uh the the the angle that they chose to look at this crime or this monster uh through well and we
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could go through a lot of little details but I don't want to give too much away I
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really think this story develops and gets better towards then and one of the best endings of a movie of this genre
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that I've seen in a long time but that's I think because they kind of play this whole did he do it did he not do it for
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a while right so all right so we had a lot of discussion lately on a case we covered the Invisible Man yeah so there
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were like there's been 55 blog posts regarding the Invisible Man so if you go to the website it's actually broken up
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into into two different um post there we have one that that's Paul Raymond Herod
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the Invisible Man a lot of people posting there as well as the Invisible Man which is right underneath of it um a
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lot of people posting there I wanted to take some time to to address some things
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here because there were a lot of good questions and discussion regarding this case and at some point it got there were
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so many posts that it it got silly to me I'm like I just got to answer these in person with with you know with my voice
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rather than yeah I'm going to knock on everybody's door hey good to see you again well I got I want to answer your
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blog post regarding uh detective Greg lockart who is the lead guy on this case now mind you he's working a bazillion
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other cases at the same time that's a lot of cases but but for him I feel like on a personal level this is a number one
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this is the one that keeps him up at night this is the one that he probably spends a lot of his free time what's
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supposed to be off duty time right working on this case and he's it's really interesting that he's chose to go
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kind of outside of the box a little bit on this like he is on the case is not just on web slutes it's there because he
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put it there and for a time I he was answering people's questions on there in person in person which is the only way
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to do it yeah um but so he brought this case to us um I do want to address address one thing real quick before we
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get into this because uh I actually have probably spoke to detective lockart for
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I don't know five six seven hours once you factor in all the the text in actual face- tof Face Time and and phone calls
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yeah so we had an hourlong show to do we knew a whole bunch more about this story but we had to leave some things
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out we had to trim it down so it would fit that hour and the whole goal with covering it is to one have put put ears
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on this thing so then we can in turn put eyes on the pictures that still exist of
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this Paul Raymond Herod to figure out who he is but the first thing I do want to address is there there have been some
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people that have made the suggestion that this guy because we pointed out it it appears that he's running for his
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life and also running from law enforcement and I want to really stress that law enforcement says that same
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thing as well that's their speculation and their speculation is that because whatever he is actually
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running from they feel that he cannot go to law enforcement with to to try to get
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protected regarding this so that means that he's broke some laws and yes it's obvious really the only one that we know
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of for for certain is that he has stolen someone's identity but some people have
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pointed out that maybe he might have been in witness protection in the witness protection program and we
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are actually doing this individual disservice because if he is running from his life then we are we're putting eyes
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on his pictures and maybe identifying who he actually is and where he may be to this day that would be my luck uh
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well but the things that I want to address on that first is because some people have come at it pretty hard and I
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was going to read the there was one incredibly rude post but I I won't read that people oh come on you you want me
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to read it yeah okay let me find it real quick oh make me laugh I do have to I do
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have to find it you know some sometimes you you the mean stuff is is not bad okay mhm this is from
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somebody who will remain anonymous but if you want to see their name or who who they're pretending to be you can go to
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website and find this post so the post reads the both of you are absolute plonkers sorry but you are
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plonkers yeah plunkers plonkers if there's even a 1% chance that he is in witness protection well then the idiot
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Duo have put his life in danger where the idiot Duo by the way if if you're following along I thought it was you and
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detective lockheart I doubt you'll post this because you seem scared of a negative comment but you guys but really
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guys give your heads a good shake it might wake up the last few brain cells you have oh really okay so I do want to
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point out here that detective lockart brought this case to and has consulted with the FBI first of all right okay so
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at no point in his investigation that has lasted about 6 years has anybody told him stop looking for this guy he's
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in Witness Protection right first of all second of all which the FBI probably would do pro possibly
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if that's who in fact put him in there MH okay but that would be my guess if if somebody was going to put somebody a
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witness protection my guess would be the FBI would be a number one the thing here
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though is you got to use some damn common sense and this this is the age that we live in a well maybe this guy
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should shake his head well this this is the age that we live in I think that that sometimes we get ourselves into
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trouble because there is a phone there is a device on us 247 and when we hear something or read something sometimes we
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feel compelled impulsively compelled to immediately put our thoughts out there and first of all I I can't stand when
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people come forward with a really aggressive opinion and this doesn't have anything to do with our website or our
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blog it's more so just life in general somebody comes up with a really they're like here's my point this is what I
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think and boom I'm going to be aggressive and rude about it because I really have no other information to
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actually offer in this situation so I'm just going to be rude well I got to point out in defense of
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this guy though or girl whoever is being Captain rude pants right in defense of them if we would have been more clear
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that that detective lockheart did talk to the FBI did talk with other La agencies and we believe that this guy is
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not a part of a witness protection program then I see this guy probably would have not made that comment I see
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what I see your point and that's a good point however the the issues that I have with
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it is one a detective brought us this case so to to to shake us down is giving no credibility to us or to detective
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lockart either right and so we got involved because we want to help with cases and we we took this one on and I
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think that we might get some this thing might get some legs because of our show at least I'm hoping so but I I just say
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use some common sense before we you pull the trigger and I've I've been guilty of
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it too we're all guilty of posting something stupid or I I've probably posted something stupid in this actual
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thread here that we're discussing today yeah speak for yourself though but I think is something that we we all can
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fall victim to in a way because there is a device on us right there and then when
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we have these this is a nonsense thought I mean here's the other thing think about this for a second whoever put this
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guy let's pretend that he went into witness protection so the agency that put him
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into witness protection decided that the best way for us to protect you and to give you a new identity is for us to
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steal an actual identity of a dead child and that's going to be who you become do
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make any damn sense they give you a fake identity they give you one that that has
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never existed because that is your that is your link for getting busted in the future is somebody going you can't be
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Paul Raymond Herod Paul Raymond Herod died in 1947 and you know you can't use somebody's all their information under
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your assumed or your given identity because that's how that's the trail to getting you caught so that's
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not how those agencies operate first of all right but you're also assuming that the agency would have gave him a name of
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a dead child where you know he he could be a part of the witness protection program then
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wanted it out of that and then stole that name and and that's a leap that's got to be a really big leap of course
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it's a leap right I'm not saying that the agency gave him the identity of a dead shot I'm saying that according to
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this person who who posted that's the Assumption they're making and what I'm trying to clear up is that is not how
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they would do that that's not how they would go about their business and the the other thing that I take a little bit
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of Umbridge with is the the line if there is even a 1% chance that he was in witness
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protection well you put a really low number on that 1% chance let's think about that too for a second because
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we've covered a lot of missing persons cases so if at any time we think that there is even a hint a hint of a chance
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that they could have been moved for witness protection purposes we shouldn't cover it that'd be every missing person
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right we it would eliminate every one of our missing person cases right because you'd have to say that there is a
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possibility right so this person maybe they just don't like missing persons cases which if you don't that's that's
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fair that's fine yeah and again you know I don't want to prop up this guy too much or girl too
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much but again maybe they just didn't like this episode we're having a bad day posted something that they which they
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didn't post so well they can feel free to apologize at the website um okay so I do don't apologize don't worry about it
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right right but it's it's it's nonsense to to be verbally aggressive to to people everybody has bad days speak for
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yourself yeah um so I speaking for others because it's not you know I have great days every day is great I do want
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to answer some of the questions so we can kind of clear some things up and I and maybe this isn't the best platform
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for it because uh I know that the Big Show is is where most of the listeners are but we we have other cases we have
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to get to so this is the platform that we're going to use so somebody commented on the situation
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of uh working at a nursing home with the the detective speculation that maybe he
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gained the knowledge and gain the information necessary by working at Skippy's father's nursing home right and
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they they asked could it be true how could um he couldn't be I'm sorry I'm wrong post here they want to
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know if it would be that easy to steal a new identity and just with that that simple
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situation and what I can clear up here is this this is actually a fairly common thing especially back in the day when
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somebody was trying to assume an identity and run from something a lot of times not necessarily regarding a
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nursing home or knowing uh a parent of the individual of the identity that you're going to
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steal but a lot of times back in the day people would go to a graveyard and actually look for a a headstone of a
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child that had passed away that would roughly be about the same age as them if that child had had continued to live
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right and the reason why they do that and seek out Children is because a lot of times
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especially with a young child a social security number has not been ISS issued to them yet so technically all you would
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need and this is all that this Paul Raymond Herod the Invisible Man this is all he needed and this is exactly what
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he did back then he got enough information so he could secure a reprint or replica of the birth certificate for
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the actual Paul Raymond Herod for Skippy so once he has that information and has
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that piece of paper he can now use that to go and get a second form of identification something that will have
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his picture on it so this would be something as simple as a driver's license or state identification card any
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number of things then he's now going to use that birth certificate in that second form of ID and he's going to use
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that with the Social Security um uh office so he can get issued a social security number that has never been
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issued for that individual yet and we know that from what detective lockart has told me that this form was
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filled out and sent via mail and he received a social security number back in the mail and once he had that he had
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that 1987 at some point he starts using that identity so that's how that went down
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mhm yeah I don't know I I thought that was a little bit of a leap as well uh but when you have nothing to go on
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and there's so little known I mean heck he's not even reported missing till 6 months later um you know detective Lo
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lockheart has um his hands full and tied with this case well that's where you would get a paper trail and that that's
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an interesting that's an interesting look at it I think because if this individual stole the identity just by
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simply walking through graveyards and looking at headstones we'll never know who you can't use that method to find
00:32:33
this guy or find out who he actually was right but if you can say okay well he could have got the same information by
00:32:41
actually working at this retirement community well there might be some kind of paper trail to this individual mhm
00:32:50
but again I mean it's it's it's so much heavy lifting for detective lockart because every situation anytime you find
00:32:57
something where you think there's a breadcrumb you go okay well now I don't know what year this guy would have
00:33:04
worked there I don't know what name he would have worked under and on top of that all these years later most of these
00:33:11
places don't have those records still available right uh another poster wanted to know uh detective lockart stated that
00:33:19
most of his information came from Mara who is uh the invisible man's wife ex-wife um and her sister Kim but said
00:33:30
that it wasn't clear U if Kim provides information or what information that Kim provided so just to clear this up I
00:33:39
think all of the information that he has received from her family is only coming
00:33:45
from those are the two key sources so really everything that he is relaying to us came from them I don't know what
00:33:53
information came from Kim and what came from Mara you see where I'm going with that right so that kind of clears that
00:33:59
one up a little bit as well this is a brilliant question and I was shocked in in and actually didn't realize that we
00:34:07
didn't get to this in the episode so Amy from Ohio God bless you wants to know oh
00:34:14
wait she put Ohio in the post but says oh she's originally from Indiana okay so she wants to know we take away we
00:34:23
take back the God bless you was the coworker that stood up with The Invisible Man at his wedding ever
00:34:30
interviewed if so what did they have to say about him okay so this is very interesting this guy that was his best
00:34:39
man at his wedding remember he had no family there he had no friends there but he had somebody that stood in as as the
00:34:45
best man MH that man worked with him they were co-workers but that man was appointed by the pastor by the person
00:34:52
overseeing the wedding because Paul wasn't going to bring anybody with him to the wedding and so the pastor's like
00:34:58
well we we need a best man uh sir would you do it you know him from work so this
00:35:03
was not a situation where this guy knew Paul hardly at all they just happened to
00:35:08
work together and he was doing a favor probably more so for Mara or for the pastor rather than for Paul now this guy
00:35:16
was was interviewed and actually identified through Greg Lockhart's hard work and and outside of the box thinking
00:35:24
when he posted the picture online he purposely post posted so it was cut so you're going to see Paul Raymond Herod
00:35:32
and then you're going to see the guy that stood in as the best man because he knew that if if even if nobody could
00:35:38
identify Paul Raymond Herod maybe somebody could identify that best man because Marlo couldn't even remember who
00:35:44
it was that's how unattached they were to this individual mhm so they found that
00:35:52
guy uh relatives of his contacted the sheriff's department and said hey that's that's a guy and our family tree and so
00:35:59
they they went out and detective lockart interviewed this individual the individual couldn't
00:36:05
remember the wedding and could not remember Paul Raymond Herod now this guy is I think he's 80 he's he's he's up
00:36:11
there in age but it was also such a small thing to him back then that why would he remember it you know it wasn't
00:36:19
a memorable thing for him he didn't really know this guy and it was lockart said it was kind of funny because the
00:36:26
guy wasn't convinced that they had found the right guy until lockart said well wait I have a picture of you and the
00:36:32
guy's like oh holy [ __ ] that is me but yeah I don't know who this guy is and and and I and I believe that this
00:36:40
individual is telling the truth per what what lockart has told me yeah but you go
00:36:47
man how many weddings have you been in how many random dudes that you've never met you were the best man in the wedding
00:36:53
you'd think you'd remember that's kind of a decent story well yeah but like I said this guy's up
00:36:59
there in age and this is this this wedding happened almost 30 years ago yeah and it was probably it was it was a
00:37:07
very small Affair I mean it might have been something he was only at for an hour right so uh great episode guys any
00:37:15
chance there is DNA sitting around somewhere on him did his wife save any of his belongings this is good question
00:37:23
um yes she did still have some of his belongings and what I've been told I don't know what information they have
00:37:31
gleaned from that but what I've been told is that a search warrant was issued and they have con confiscated some items
00:37:41
from Marlo so and that was very recent so one I don't know that they would need to
00:37:48
share any of that information with us and two they may not have any information as it stands now because
00:37:57
that's such a recent activity right so very smart Again by lockart because Mara like he said sticks her head in the sand
00:38:06
just doesn't do anything doesn't really help with the investigation a whole lot so he he went out of the way and got a
00:38:12
search warrant to confiscate some of those some of those items has the detective used facial
00:38:21
recognition and set up a social media account with the picture also has the detective got old yearbooks from the
00:38:28
possible high schools in Yonkers the first the yearbook question no he's not received those yearbooks he there's as
00:38:36
he pointed out multiple schools he would like to receive yearbooks for about a 10-year time frame from each of those
00:38:43
schools again we don't know who this guy was before we don't know his actual age
00:38:48
so that gets difficult yeah but he could do this through like classmates.com or something he has done some of that
00:38:56
online um and I think I think on one of his vacation times when he's supposed to
00:39:02
be off of work and relaxing and clearing his mind I think at some point he's planning on going to new yor New York
00:39:10
for his vacation so he can go to those schools in person and see if they will hand over yearbooks or at least let him
00:39:17
look through them while he's there well some high schools will have the whole senior class pictures like on the walls
00:39:26
so he might have to go down all these hallways and and look through all these old pictures then regarding facial
00:39:32
recognition yes that has been done they did that um I think early this year like
00:39:39
in January or February MH where they did facial recognition and one picture did pop up it's an individual that was
00:39:48
incarcerated at the time that the picture was taken um so the problem with that is
00:39:55
they do look similar but I think the individual that they found who was locked up I think that there's some
00:40:03
things that don't gel with the timeline for the invisible manh meaning he may have been locked up in elsewhere in
00:40:12
another state while the Invisible Man was doing things that we have documented and know actually occurred you know like
00:40:20
his marriage and uh living for a time in Indiana things like that work work history and such yeah well these are all
00:40:27
interesting so we got any more yeah there's a few people that asked about the jacket that the Invisible Man is
00:40:35
wearing in one of the pictures so we only have a few pictures of the Invisible Man but in one of them there
00:40:41
is a a jacket and it has some type of logo on the um you know where there would be like a breast pocket yeah so
00:40:50
that logo from what I've been told is of the chesty I and I hope I'm saying that
00:40:56
correct ly because I I I've only been told that word but I remember lockart said that that Paul Raymond Herod the
00:41:05
guy using that identity worked for a chese delivery service or a ches chips uh they delivered potato chips and
00:41:13
filled up vending machines and went to grocery stores things of that nature that logo on the the jacket is
00:41:20
for that chesty's place that he worked at and that whatever that company is if if I in fact saying it wrong is um now
00:41:31
defunct they're not they're not around anymore right right so we've cleared that up here's an interesting one hey
00:41:37
guys I did some digging and found that there is a Diana Ray samples that passed away just a couple months ago in witch
00:41:45
Kansas at the time of her death she was 70 years old so the right age to have been the ex-wife remember we have Mara
00:41:54
who says that he The Invisible Man ref an ex-wife that he had been married once before and she remembered the name Diane
00:42:03
or Diana Reay because of the weird spelling of Ray r a e and she believed that not knowing when that marriage took
00:42:14
place she believed for whatever reason that it took place in Kansas so this is very interesting and I encourage
00:42:21
everyone that has good information to send it to Detective lockart if it's something that you think is is a real
00:42:29
bread Corum that should be investigated this this has been passed on to him I I sent this myself to him um but for any
00:42:37
other type of discussion any other questions or just thoughts in General on this case you can certainly
00:42:44
put that on the blog and I also recommend everybody go and read that as well because there's a lot of
00:42:51
interesting discussion on here and we have these types of cases every now and then Captain where about once a month
00:42:58
you know we'll get one that really gets people talking yeah you know Tyler Davis
00:43:02
case yeah yeah yeah that got that got a lot and a lot of times it's uh it's good
00:43:08
to speculate I think it's a good brain activity and leads us down different rabbit holes that maybe the detective
00:43:16
would never think of it's kind of like what we talked about where sometimes detectives will go talk to psychics it's
00:43:23
not so much that they believe in the psychic but what do they tell them and does that lead them down a different
00:43:27
path mhm that they haven't been looking into yeah and then also John Douglas uh the John Douglas show got a lot of
00:43:37
people interested a lot of people loved that he came to the garage which he didn't really come to the garage it was
00:43:43
it was a phone interview oh I couldn't tell yeah I've had a there were a couple people that said the interview sounds
00:43:49
fake in in in a in a sense it kind of is I mean it's a real interview that I conducted on my cell phone because
00:43:57
that's that's the way that when when Douglas reached out to the show and I said you know he's [ __ ] John Douglas
00:44:06
so I'm like however you want to do the interview we'll do the interview I'll make it happen I'll get on a magic
00:44:11
carpet and fly out there and hang out with you if if you want to do it in person but um he said no you know and we
00:44:18
have multiple different techniques that we use for interviewing people that can't be in Columbus Ohio with us for an
00:44:25
actual face Toof inter mhm the method he was most comfortable with which is the most difficult for us putting together
00:44:33
the show is he said just call me here's my phone number just call me on my landline yeah and Douglas was so I mean
00:44:40
he's such a nice guy uh he was really nice to me during the course of the interview so it wasn't as nice to me the
00:44:46
reason why I wasn't on that episode is we said hey Mr Douglas and he said call me John and I go okay Jack he said I
00:44:53
said John godamn it and then he hung up the phone that's that's not true but but
00:44:59
so if if it sounds to anybody like it's fake well it's because we we take his his parts from the the phone interview
00:45:07
MH and we really do a lot the captain does a lot of work to clean up my part uh so you don't hear this you don't hear
00:45:16
this Fanboy on the phone with a with a bad connection talking to well your your ear will get tired of one tamber so the
00:45:25
tamber of John talking on the phone what your ears get a little tired of that by
00:45:30
having instead of using the audio that we have from Nick in the phone call we just have him resay it so it's it's
00:45:39
exactly what he said on the phone it's just now coming through with highquality mic quality and so then your ear gets
00:45:48
less tired of hearing the phone tamber well and and John 2 doesn't necessarily hang on my words to get to
00:45:58
his answer and I think people got that Vibe listening to the show he this dude like I feel like his brain has just
00:46:07
absorbed so much information in these cases over the years yeah that it's like when you ask him a question it's like
00:46:13
winding up a like a toy that's just going to go Bonkers as soon as you hit the the start button you know he's he's
00:46:20
just like the words can't get out of his mouth fast enough and he's probably a lot of that's probably because he's
00:46:26
recalling from multiple things face-to-face interviews police reports autopsy reports um you know previous
00:46:34
interrogations that he's read through the transcripts the court proceedings he's pulling information from so many
00:46:41
different boxes all at once that um I think he gets uh a little caught up in in the words at at times but yeah but
00:46:50
it's similar to when we meet people that listen to the show and they want to talk
00:46:53
to us about the show and that's also going to be about cases and then it becomes well let's talk a little bit
00:47:00
about this case and a little bit about this case and if those cases are familiar in your brain then it seems
00:47:07
like as almost as if you're all over the place right right but because I've had so many times
00:47:13
where where somebody will be like wow you know a ton of stuff and you're like well that's cuz we we covered the case
00:47:21
and we and we produced an episode and so all those things kind of stick with you
00:47:27
once somebody brins back up a case it might take a minute oh yeah where where was that case oh yeah yeah yeah what was
00:47:33
the date oh yeah yeah and then all of a sudden it's like go boom boom boom boom and your brain is just
00:47:38
exploding and one final one here Captain because I love this one this is a great
00:47:43
great question great observation as well let's end on a negative one so the dipster dipster I like that name the
00:47:52
dipster says couldn't help but notice John Douglas said that he thinks the family
00:47:57
had nothing to do with the Jean Benet Ramsay murder yeah very interesting it's not often someone close to a case will
00:48:05
claim that is there anywhere he elaborates on this further so um and I I posted a response to that one he has a
00:48:15
book called the cases that haunt us and it's it's it's a collection of different
00:48:20
cases some that he was very close to and some that he's just looked into from afar but it's a fascinating book because
00:48:28
a lot of the cases that are in there if not all of them are all cases that are pretty well known to not just True Crime
00:48:35
the people but the general public as well and so he I if I'm recalling correctly I believe he has a whole
00:48:41
chapter in there on the John Benet Ramsey case and his thoughts and he actually met the father he actually met
00:48:49
John Ramsay yeah I have not read that book yet but that's one I should put on my list my my caveat there where I I you
00:48:57
know big fan of John Douglas I respect him immensely mhm my my caveat there is the things he says about the the Ramsay
00:49:09
case is is very fascinating and yes he definitely has some much-needed Insider information that I'm glad got tossed out
00:49:17
there in the public through his book um but my only caveat there is just keep in mind that he was not the only
00:49:26
retired FBI agent that was asked to be hired um by the ramsy family right there were other individuals that turned it
00:49:36
down now that's that doesn't mean that that John Douglas is wrong because obviously we don't know the truth well
00:49:43
you can be hired by somebody and and and believe that they're guilty well and he
00:49:48
he does say in the he does say in the book that you know I told John Ramsay to his fa or told him on the
00:49:55
phone yeah I I have reservations about going out there and and meeting with you because of where I think the case
00:50:05
stands but also I I want to let you know just because you're hiring me doesn't mean that I'm going to be on your side
00:50:11
right you know so you can hire me but I want to warn you that you might not like
00:50:17
my findings right very similar with Courtney Love in the Kurt cabain case mhm hiring a private investigator and
00:50:26
her him telling her hey just because you pay me doesn't mean I'm not going to follow the
00:50:32
evidence so but interesting to hear that because as I go back and forth on the John Benet Ramsey case to have an
00:50:42
expert's opinion even though like I said I haven't read the chapter yet uh he he
00:50:50
kind of nonchalantly says hey they were revictimized uh and and that he didn't believe that had anything to do with the
00:50:58
murder [Music] [Applause]