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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] that is really that that's a real guitar riff and that's real crowd noises mhm
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from the 500 people packed into the garage was it was a real guitar yeah everybody good did the um the wind
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yesterday nuts I I don't know if there was like were there tornadoes anywhere like nuts it was hor it was crazy it was
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like nuts everywhere it was scary there was one point where I heard some noises and I thought oh finally my windows have
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broke and just gave in from this crazy that we got going on and I was surprised that the garage didn't lose power as I
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was driving here today there was a power line you know the pole deal outside that
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they were they were working on putting it back in the ground but we actually lose power here pretty easily cuz we're
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at the back of the at the section at the back where nobody cares they're like oh
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it's the last batch yeah if it goes down it goes down could the crazy in the back
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power went out we don't need to restore it well I've been uh under the weather for an unusual amount of time usually if
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I get or AKA under the nuts if usually if I get a cold it lasts like 24 hours and that's it but I've I've had this
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thing for a while I don't know what it is but uh got some nuts in your throat the good news is that I've been a I've
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been catching up on a lot of TV the past yeah as I'm just lying there on the couch so yeah but it's good I mean we
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work really hard and it's it's pretty bad that you have to relax when you get a cold like that's the only time but
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there's a bazillion other things I would rather be rather be doing mhm uh you brought up something earlier one of the
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documentaries that I think were we told to did somebody tell us to watch it or were we paid to watch it no I don't I
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think it was that I didn't I meant did a listener suggest it or uh abducted and plain sight yeah so there there are some
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people out there God bless you if you're one of these people but uh there are some people that are di hards that no
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matter what True Crime documentary docu series comes out they they will watch it
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they will tune in and that's fantastic um one of their Hobbies I don't know that I don't think I had an
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email from a listener to watch it I think it was just like a recommendation you know like uh is it was it Amazon or
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Netflix do you recall it was Netflix those things are just running together for me but you know how when you when
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you when you open it up sometimes they've filtered some things to the top for you that seem like suggestions like
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oh you you might like watching this yeah they have this new feature now when it there's like like a new movie hits like
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it'll be like the like the first thing that starts playing oh yeah yeah yeah I like that yeah um I
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have mixed feelings about that after I like I I opened up Netflix I think it was Saturday maybe and the suggestion
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was um paddleton with Ray Romano oh I like Ray Romano yeah and so I watched like the
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first little clip kind of like the trailer and it was It was kind of dark on some level
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but it was there was also a joke in there and I was like well that's kind of funny I could use kind
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of especially a lot of these comedians they they go into the Drama World they go into it's like Steve Carell right
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like all his movies are just to make you cry now and you know what though I like
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the Steve caral like I I think that he say I didn't like him I know but I think he's becoming one of those actors or
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actresses for me we were talking last week and I said you know I kind of have a list of people that it seems like no
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matter what they are in is it's good or worth watching you got to give it a go even if it seems like something you
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wouldn't be into right he's he's starting to work his way onto that short list of people for me well Ray Romano is
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on that list for me and and one of the reasons cuz he did a show called men of a certain age that was This brilliant it
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was a brilliant show never seen anything like it and because because it's so creative and and
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such of a different you know mindset than the norm it just never took off you know um which was a shame but yeah so
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paddleton pad Paddington no that's a bear that's a bear I think uh paddleton look I I did see the little the little
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clip same thing when you turn it on the little clip starts playing and it looked
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like it was Ray Romano in the actor in a doctor's office which I should know his
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name cuz he was absolutely brilliant in this movie he's a good actor but here's where I'm going to have a problem with
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that paddleton that fact that you're just going to cry your face off well the other guy that we don't know his name
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that's sitting in the doctor's office he played a guy in the second series of Goliath which I absolutely loved Goliath
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season one and two mhm but he plays a bad guy and he's like a disturb I mean his character is just
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so I don't I don't even want to get into it it's so disturbing and he does such a
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good job playing that character that I don't know that I can see him as anything else you know what I
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mean you know how sometimes an actor an actress is so good in a role that it kind of ruins them for you yeah but I I
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I think you'll have no problem 5 minutes in you I'm not doing different I'm not you'll cry your face off but also what's
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sad about this movie is that because it comes out so it came out so soon that and it's such great acting and I think
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that's going to be overlooked because of the story people are going to go well the story is sad so
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there but it's like the the acting is just brilliant and I think it'll be overlooked for awards later next year
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what's the name of that again paddleton oh I thought you said you hadn't seen it oh I saw it Oh I'm confused I'm sorry
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I apologize no I so so I watched it that's why you said you'll cry your eyes out cuz you know Cry Your Face Off you
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know the the face you at some point melt your face you'll be halfway through the
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movie you'll look down and your face will be on the carpet well what what was weird was there's a lot of Choke up
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moments you know where you're getting choke you got to fight through it you're like yeah well so so I ended up fighting
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through it and you know and this kind of hits home like with some stuff that's going on in just
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like personal life but it like I got through the movie and then I realized like oh the the crying my face off
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didn't happen mhm and and it should haveh so now I'm going to end up crying my face off but I don't know when it's
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saved up for later yeah so I'm going to like I'm going to have to watch like a you what's that show uh the tear bank is
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full and it's just waiting it's just waiting to pop I'm going to have to watch like a a gry's Anatomy or or
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episode of this is us or something and just let it go like when some random dirt bag pulls
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up to an ATM and tries to bust into it with a screwdriver you never know when it's going to happen you could be at the
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Starbucks or uh tomorrow is T is uh Taco Bell Tuesday do you still do Taco Tuesday sometimes you end up at the Taco
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Bell yeah you could be at the Taco Bell tomorrow and The Tear bank is just going
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to door is going to open up I'm going to stop being friends with people that don't do Taco Tuesday would you like
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sauce with [Music] that why is this world so sad extra Fire Sauce yeah please in my eye I'm having a
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moment shoot it in my eye what was that documentary again name that one the the one we we started off talking about
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abducted in plain sight oh I hated it it was awful I hated it I hated the people
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in it I hat I hated the story well you can't do that cuz there are victims they might be they might be victims I feel
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like the daughter is a victim I feel like the parents are uh could yeah yeah morons yeah it's it's weird I wouldn't
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uh my recommendation is don't waste your time well the thing too was some people
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liked it uh I I posted I posted on the Instagram that I was going to watch and and there was all these comments coming
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in I didn't know what to make of it and and it really made it seem like oh there
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this is kind of crazy yeah uh but it was a crazy story but it was put together so poorly that
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the whole time I'm going this is fake this is a fake story mhm and this is of this girl was abducted uh there was um
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you know as far as we know um molestation to to a minor right and and that's a crime and that's a crime that
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um that I hold as far as like those are the crimes that get me the most as far as like piss me off the
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most and and this was put together so poorly and came across as such a phony story
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that I just couldn't believe most of it and I tried to look up some of the the facts that of the story that they were
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telling and I could not find record of some of the parts on on the interwebs right the only time that you could is if
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you stopped like Googling like real words and you started Googling you know like you know child
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abduction you know the person's name and then and then you'd get a bunch of information but all the information
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would have been about the documentary there wasn't like oh well there's record of this we have records of this um or
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these all these newspaper clippings that they keep showing in the documentary I don't even believe those were real
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because I started looking up the newspaper that they claimed that was coming from and that newspaper didn't
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even look the same so yeah I I mean I felt horrible for the for the real victim and and but that was
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the problem with the documentary it's like you know so many of the cases we talk about about that there's a whole
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garage full of victims you know you have you have somebody who was victimized by
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some [ __ ] and then what ends up being is their families are victims you know so forth and so on and in this
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particular case and forgive me uh because I didn't watch the whole thing I I couldn't finish it so if there was
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some kind of Revelation at the end or or some bigger part of the story that I missed out on and I'm being an [ __ ]
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here then I apologize but but that's my caveat I didn't finish it um well the guy that they were talking about you
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know it started out as a book he was never technically was he technically charged with anything no that or
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convicted that what gets weird is a this is where it's difficult because we know
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that this person existed we know that some of these events took place but the first abduction when she came back there
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was no signs of any sexual contact so they couldn't even charge him with that but you know her claim is that
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there there was I I'm not going to not believe her right you know let's give her the benefit of the doubt but it is
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strange that you'd be gone that long you'd have you know sex well let's not even call it sex you're going to be
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raped by this older gentleman and there's going to be no physical proof of it MH
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so so basically what you get in the end is that they put out this book and when they put out the book the guy that
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they're talking about accusing and accusing uh you know they call him be in the story he sues them and he's trying
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to get them to and he didn't really care what what it kind of seems like in the documentary is that he didn't really
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care so much about the book now he made the book okay everything that you said in the book is untrue according to him
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right so I'm going to state that on the record but he had a problem because he heard they were making into a movie oh
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yeah and he was just like this you know this has to stop like enough is enough like yeah right and then at some point
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she's saying you know no we're not trying to make into a movie or or yeah they were but it's not going to happen
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whatever but then it's like the guy dies and you make this documentary and now he's not around to defend
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himself right yeah and that's uh but I mean and what they claim is that other women came forward but that again
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that's a claim that he can't you know argue now now the the one claim is that they claim that there was he got charged
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with the rape and he spent a year in jail now all all I would say is produce that
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information if I know that that's true then I'm more likely to believe the other stuff but I think because it was
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po so poorly put together and I think on top of that the fact that the girl that
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you know is the victim in the story she's an actor she's a real life actor mhm and so
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I think some of the scenes I see what you're saying is she being authentic or is she acting her way through some of
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the scenes I mean one of the scenes is she she was talking about her father's house uh father's business being burnt
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down and again accusing this guy of burning it down well actually accusing him of pain it was something ridiculous
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like well he told these uh inmates that he'd pay pay him $1,000 a week or $1,000
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a month for a long period now you're going to tell me that these criminals went and burned down a building which
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burnt down like half the city again I had a hard time even trying to find any talk about this in those Town
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newspapers and you know if he if he told him he was going to pay him that much and he
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stopped paying him eventually they found him and probably beat the [ __ ] out of
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him would have some record of this couldn't find record of that either but it was this whole scene about how her
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her her dad was hugging the family and saying let it burn let it burn I got everything here right here that I need
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you know and she's crying and it's like it's just seemed a little overdramatic and it's like not to mention that your
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father um was driving in a car with this guy and the guy had a heart on and he decided to reach over and relieve the
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guy sexually and then had a homosexual relationship with this guy well and uh and then and that's kind of just panned
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over real quickly yeah yeah I mean look that that was what was troubling for me you know
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our hearts and thoughts are always with the victim and the victims but in this case as you said it it was poorly done
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this documentary it was poorly put together and almost to a sense where it it does seem fake almost right
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and so therefore it like it makes it hard to Champion these people that are coming forward and they're like you know
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we're finally able to tell our story and and and you know God bless them for uh being getting the strength together to
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tell their story but it was just it it was tough to get behind it um um yeah I mean basically the story is here's this
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guy that they meet a family friend B he becomes interested in one of the daughters it's interesting to me that he
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wasn't interested in the other daughters even though they're similar age um that just didn't make a lot of
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sense to me but then he has a sexual relationship with the mother he has a homosexual relationship with the father
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he basically wants to molest and marry this young girl um and just like and just things
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that you would wouldn't believe would happen like he goes away and gets therapy and the therapist tells him that
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he has to share a bed with this girl that he wants to molest and he lays in bed while listening to tapes that
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describe him having sex with this girl and he did this like four times a week for like 6 months and the fact that the
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parents were allow allowing this to happen and then at the end of the documentary you know the victim is
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sitting there saying hey you know I I had to forgive this guy so I couldn't have any power over me which I totally
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get but it's like the other question should be have you forgiven your parents well that's the thing that made it hard
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for me to watch because it look and I'm just an outsider looking in I don't know
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the whole story you're you're not a part of their family [ __ ] I didn't even finish the documentary did you give be a
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hand job but cuz that's like to be in the family you have to relieve him sexually the thing that was so difficult
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about the whole story was my take was that the it was almost like the parents of this poor girl
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allowed her to be molested and and I know I know their story is we didn't know that this was
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going on but it it to me from an outsider looking in it was like how the hell did you not know
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one I I mean it just really like like you said it almost felt like that this girl who's now an adult it you wanted
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you want her to be mad at her parents too and I and I get that she's she doesn't seem to be from the from what I
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watched but it just seemed it seemed like there was a lot of blame to that could have been pushed around and I
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thought should have been pushed around and well and they did kind of hit on the fact that the first abduction cuz she's
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basically abducted did twice but the first abduction um what's interesting about it
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is that they don't charge him that the I believe the state ends up charging him or the government ends up charging him
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he ends up having to do time for that because the parents won't come forward and and and press charges their hands
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are tied now the reason why they didn't press charges is because they have this homosexual relationship that went on and
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this other Affair that went on and they didn't want that to come out in their Community this is also a time where
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communities were smaller and something like that that could cause you to have to close your shop move to a different
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city um but if you really thought that this guy but after that even if you don't press charges he spends a little
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time in jail if he comes around you again you stop it you don't let there be any more
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contact but but but they just were so naive oh well there's no signs of him sexually abusing our daughter so maybe
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he didn't so so now let's let him sleep in the bed with her it's just I mean it's disappointing ridiculous you can
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move you can build a new store build a new shop build a new business what you can't risk is ruining your daughter's
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life right or allowing someone to ruin her life but I'd say that there was a lot of confusion going on there I mean I
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think her father was a homosexual male that was living as a straight male and that was probably huge for him to deal
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with and probably still huge for him to deal with um and then there's also a family trying
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to stay together in the Dynamics of what that would be like you know cuz you know
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here's the the mom that's easily duped by this guy well why is she easily duped by this guy well her her husband's not
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attract Ed to her and hasn't been maybe ever you know what I mean so it's but it's so poorly put together that it just
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comes off as completely phony um to the point where I was looking it up in one of the number one searches is abducted
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at plain sight is this fake um oh yeah so that's just bad but what what's interesting about this and I don't want
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to give spoiler alert and I think we've ruined the whole thing well don't who cares I mean they've
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ruined it so no but spoiler alert if you haven't watched True Detective season 3 what's interesting about in this
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abducted and plain sight was the second abduction again spoiler alert so if you're watching True Detective turn this
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off what happened in the second Abduction of abducted in plain sight is that he ends up abducting her but then
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putting her enrolling her into like a Catholic boarding school and then he he pretended that he was a CIA agent and
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what he would do is he would she he put her into school and then on the weekends
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he'd come visit her see what I'm saying so if you then watch season the finale of True Detective season 3 last
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night you'd realize a similar thing happened in in that story so it's interesting with these True Detective
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Seasons how they take pieces of real life and put it into the story um one thing I do want to go
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through here today this is an update but it's not an update on a case that we did
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but it's interesting stuff because it it it plays into a couple of different things that we've talked
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about uh through the history of our show plus a lot of stuff going on with cases
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and breaks and cases cold cases last year and this is from the Los Angeles Times so if you want to see the picture
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that I'm um that they're referencing you can find that at Los Angeles Times on their website and you probably just by
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Googling the name James Allen Neil So they show a picture it's an old picture um and it says James Alan Neil is seen
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seen in an undated photo released by Newport Beach police who H to find additional Witnesses in the murder case
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against him related to a 1973 slaying of Linda o'keef and it says yeah they're hoping
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to jog the memories of longtime residents who might have crossed paths with the suspect in the kidnapping and
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killing of 11-year-old Linda O'Keefe in July of 197 three authorities have released a photo of James Allen Neil to
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show what he may have looked like at the time of the slangs the photo is thought
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to have been taken between the late 1970s and early 1980s Newport Beach police said Neil today is 72 years old
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he was arrested last Tuesday by authorities in Colorado where he lives and remains in custody barring any legal
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challenges he awaits extradition to California according to Newport Beach police Neil has been charged with
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special circumstances murder kidnapping and lewd and lascivious acts against a minor under 14 in connection with
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Linda's death authorities say Neil went by the name James Albert Leighton Jr at the time of the killing investigators
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believe he changed I'm sorry he lived in Southern California in the 1970s and changed his name following an incident
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in Florida so I bring this up for a couple of reasons because they busted this guy after all these years that was
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1972 they just they just arrested him last week got him got him and this was because of genealogy you know something
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we've discussed several times DNA from the crime scene rub the genie and he comes out of the you rub the lamp and
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Genie comes out of the lamp well Newport Beach detectives in 2018 contacted parabon nanu Labs who we we've discussed
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several times a Virginia based medical lab which used DNA from the crime scene to calculate a possible suspect's facial
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composite uh they released one of what he would have looked like in his mid 20s they believe the perpetrator to be in
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his mid 20s as well as a composite of someone in his late 60s or early 70s genealogy is what caught up with this
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guy even all these decades later so that that's an that's something we've championed on our show and will continue
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to do so in in in in high hopes of what will 2019 bring how many other bust how many other cold cases will be cracked
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and solved because of this new technology yeah I think the tough thing with some of these cases that are not
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being solved is because the DNA that they have from the crime scene is contaminated and some way shape or form
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or there's not enough yeah I watched this 20 minute breakdown of the John B Ramsey DNA that they used um I think in
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2003 to clear the family and then it's tested again in 2007 and 2008 and I it's like one why are we
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testing it again what was done wrong in 2003 that you have to test it again and then eventually they used it to clear uh
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the family but when you break it down they could take some DNA samples from you and there would be some matching
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figures from me to be matching figures because there could be a mixture of two people maybe three people so I think
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until and and that's obviously just one case but we've talked about it with the deli murders case is their DNA because
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we keep getting these people that are suspects and then we keep you know time passes
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at first it was quickly here's a suspect please quickly that that's not them well
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how are they clearing these people so fast and then all a sudden that kind of started slowing down and that that's
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what made me think they're testing DNA well they keep clearing this P person so then that's where you start
00:28:19
questioning after hundreds and hundreds of suspects that you have essentially cleared or won't name a suspect
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um is the DNA in that case is it contaminated is there was it collected properly what's going on with that that
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we are not able to solve that so yes what's going to happen in 2019 you're going to definitely see some
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cases that are solved because of this technology but how many of them are unsolvable does that make
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sense unsolvable because of of uh well there's there's a lot that are unsolvable and I and unsolvable in the
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fact that they have DNA but it was collected poorly or it's contaminated but what I'm saying but it's not just
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that though like there there are there are there are hundreds of points of factors involved in this act so right
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when these different labs and parabon Nano Labs is not the only company out there doing it but there's there's a
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bunch of different factors to consider because there there are a lot of cases where they may have DNA that are not
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good candidates for this type of Technology mhm they need and I put it in the the the only way that I understand
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it is in Lay terms I'm not going to pretend to know all of the science in and outs of of the whole thing
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but what I've been told by both parabon nanu Labs directly from them as well as other articles that I've read on other
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companies doing the same type of um investigations and from law enforcement as well is one they need a certain type
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of DNA to be able to do this and two they need they need a decent amount of it as
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well so if you have a case where there's very little DNA if they're working with
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a small amount a small sample size it's not a good candidate not a good fit for this type of investigation
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and again they need a certain type of of DNA so not every case ites it doesn't it's not going to work where where we
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can just go all every Cold Case that we got on the Shelf we can clear all of our
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books we can solve all these unsolved homicides because all we got to do is take this little thing and punch it into
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a computer and boop boop boop boop we got our guy let's go to Colorado and arrest
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him yeah I'm just saying that this just not going to happen with Ramsey case I mean after watching
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this you know report on the the way they collected this evidence and the way that
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um the people in power have misrepresented this evidence I mean it's it's shocking well
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and and I know that uh you're just repeating what some other people have said but I think to
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say that they've officially cleared John or py or both is is can't be a correct uh statement
00:31:34
um well I mean you'd have to look into the case more but there there's actually a report that that the
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prosecutor uh lays out I believe it was in 2003 well I don't want to I don't want to get into it too much because I I
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know we want to cover that case and um you know we'll we'll need to go through the facts then and there
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but regarding some one of the one of the problems with her case in particular was
00:32:06
the way that they collected her fingernails when they clipped her fingernails they used the same clippers
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for each fingernail which is technically not the way that they're supposed to do
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it they're supposed to use a new set or clean and sterilize the set that they're
00:32:23
using and then collect and c and catalog right each fingernail and what finger it
00:32:29
came from therefore whatever's collected from that the you know that fingernail or those fingernails can be used
00:32:38
properly as evidence if you if they found some kind of DNA under one finger and they use the same
00:32:45
Clippers without sterilizing or or cleaning them or using a new set essentially it either could happen or
00:32:54
you could make an argument for mhm if you you're the defense team that something collected underneath one
00:33:01
fingernail ended up on all of them because it was transferred during the course of you trying to collect
00:33:10
evidence right the The Da the XDA cleared the ramies in 2008 right that guy's an idiot um was it
00:33:21
a guy or a girl it was a she a she oh sorry she's an idiot um so this case though with this uh Linda
00:33:31
O'Keefe and this James Neil being arrested one thing that's interesting about this is that there was talk of
00:33:39
Lindo Keefe's murder being connected possibly being connected to Amy mahalic right and the reason that is is because
00:33:49
one of the suspects and he's you know one of James rener suspects and a suspect in in the eye of
00:33:58
a lot of people in the public he lived in California and he he he lived not too far from where this crime took place
00:34:07
when it took place when Lindo O'Keefe was abducted and killed she's 11 Amy was 10 so there was a lot of a lot of ways
00:34:16
to make a connection between the two cases so now we have this arrest in lindo' Keefe's case and it's interesting
00:34:23
that they're releasing a photo of this guy and it's even more interesting that he was going under a different name at
00:34:28
one point in his life but I wonder if they're going to be able to connect him to other things or if this was just a
00:34:37
oneoff situation um but it looks like they might be trying to build you know they have the
00:34:46
DNA but if if they can if they can't get him to confess they're going to have to
00:34:50
take him to trial and therefore they they may need I don't know that they're going to need more to convict him body
00:34:58
found um to to be honest with you I don't know the details of the Linda O'Keefe case so much
00:35:06
um I believe that she was but I don't I don't want to I don't want to state that
00:35:11
I that I know for certain um but it looks like they're going to need uh if he doesn't confess if or if he
00:35:19
challenges this that it looks like they're trying to get some witnesses and some other people to build a even
00:35:26
stronger case against this guy I don't think they'll have any problem putting him away from the from the little bits
00:35:33
that I have seen um back to the TV stuff though Captain I did watch uh BTK a killer
00:35:45
Among Us it was on Discovery ID channel and it did have some interviews some little little interviews with his
00:35:53
daughter Carrie rosson with uh well she came out with that book yeah Dennis Raiders daughter Carrie rosson yeah that
00:36:01
was good I liked that one I think it was two hours long uh a lot of commercials I
00:36:08
felt um but it was very good and what did you watch it on I just I I recorded it and watched it
00:36:16
later right so um but I I felt like I was fast forwarding a lot during the course of watching it it was very good
00:36:23
and it was uh I had never seen I don't think I'd ever seen uh pictures or video of Ken lwar he was the guy that they
00:36:33
they air quotes here super cop that the FBI pushed for a super cop and he was that guy he was kind of Dennis Raiders
00:36:42
sworn enemy yeah can you imagine if somebody called you in and just run- the- mil cop they call you in got a job
00:36:50
for you what's that we want you to be a super cop super cop time I'll be like okay it's better than robo cop I've been
00:36:58
doing super cop stuff since I got here since I haven't got the pay grade yet right but that was interesting and and I
00:37:07
I've always had a fondness for that investigation and it it's really such an I still think it's such an incredible
00:37:16
interesting story to have it's very interesting and it it's very much similar to Green River where you had or
00:37:26
Golden State killer you know whatever however many monikers he has but to have all these years in the span of the
00:37:36
crimes and the span of the investigation and then finally having an ending in a in a way kind of like True Detective
00:37:44
where right you know it's what 35 years of on again off again investigation before they finally figure out what
00:37:53
actually happened yeah what was your final take away on True Detective by the way for season
00:38:00
3 I I thought it was good I mean there was I don't think there was any as far as the finale goes and like we already
00:38:08
said spoilers on that um there there wasn't a bunch of twist there was and then even like the if you even want to
00:38:17
call it a Twist that's at end it's so set up and softball right in front of your face that if you don't catch it the
00:38:24
first time um I just kind of question your intelligence at all but uh because it
00:38:31
was so blatant you know what I mean you know the clue that they give you at the end right it just so blatant where it's
00:38:39
like I think they could even done that a little bit better maybe just so there was kind of a little um oh aha moment
00:38:47
but um but I thought it was good because there was a lot of loose ends and so there's a lot of questioning uh time
00:38:57
gaps you know what what happened in 80 what happened in 90 what happened in here and I I like the fact that they
00:39:04
they tied all the those up right so you're not like walking away going you know what happened again you know what I
00:39:12
mean I think they tied it up really well well I thought the story was phenomenal
00:39:16
I mean from from from start to finish season 3 I really liked the writing I lik the actual story I like the mystery
00:39:24
the actors were unbelievable the actors actresses Fant fantastic job from top to
00:39:30
bottom I can't think of a of a bad um you know a bad role or a bad um no uh cast member and what was interesting too
00:39:40
was um that the son took a took a note that he was going to throw away and he put it in his pocket and I started
00:39:48
thinking you know what it' be kind of cool this guy didn't play a major part and he's definitely not a major actor
00:39:56
he's not like a guy if we if I looked him up and told you who played the son of the
00:40:03
detective his name wouldn't ring a bell but he did a good job and I started thinking what if they wrote a story with
00:40:11
him in it and you know what he he's got the he's got the build in the look of somebody to me that is is made for being
00:40:24
a a cop on TV right you know what I mean like he he's a a strong young man well he might be my age I don't know how old
00:40:31
he is but but he's a he's a strong intelligent dude and he portrays himself as such and I mean he's got kind of like
00:40:38
a like a very athletic football player almost kind of body right uh looks like the the only thing though
00:40:47
is there there there could have been a scene where he takes somebody down I kept waiting for him to be like in some
00:40:55
kind of Confrontation and take some down well um you know what they say uh time is a circle or whatever remember that
00:41:05
from season one yeah uh when they pull the guy down and then and then Matthew MCC Hay's character Russ goes what is
00:41:13
that [ __ ] nii um really what's interesting about that is the way all these the way it's all written
00:41:27
like the bread and butter of this True Detective is time is going back and forth in time right that's kind of like
00:41:35
what makes it so fascinating in this case we they went back in time in into three
00:41:43
spots um but what I thought was interesting was the ending the scene is almost like you know maybe not I I'm trying not
00:41:58
give so anyways okay here's how I can explain it the the whole show when it starts off
00:42:06
is a brother and a sister riding their bike down the street and then bad stuff happens right
00:42:13
mhm and the show ends with a brother and sister riding their bike down the street
00:42:19
and to me that was like you know back to the season one time is a circle and maybe not the not the brother and sister
00:42:27
that rode by them uh maybe nothing bad happened to them but somewhere in a town somewhere
00:42:36
in the world that cycle of story is repeating itself and maybe some of the details are
00:42:43
changed and some of the players are changed but and they kind of allude to that in the ending is that this stuff
00:42:50
just keeps happening that it will just keep happening and it's just and then the players are going to different I
00:42:58
don't know I just thought it was kind of interesting um I thought it was kind of
00:43:02
a deeper thing that he was trying to portray throughout this the story I thought it was as good as season one
00:43:10
that's that's my opinion I think it was as good as season one so yeah I think I think a couple things that they're
00:43:18
missing is season one had one episode that was maybe the best action film suspense action film
00:43:28
or best hour of action suspense that was on TV ever yeah in season one and or maybe two
00:43:38
I mean season one was I thought much more action-packed than season 3 yeah I just think there could have been maybe
00:43:47
like you know that especially like that shootout episode season 3 like they could have really turned that into a
00:43:56
whole episode a little more suspenseful too or maybe half of an episode yeah but
00:44:00
it's like this the in season one when Matthew MCC is you know goes into the projects with the this like biker gang
00:44:09
it's like that is a intense episode I mean and I'm not a huge action fan guy but it's like but that it was
00:44:18
so so intense I mean some of the best is just great one of my buddies is dieh hard action guy like film guy and he
00:44:29
ever since we were little kids up to this day and he does not like True Crime he doesn't really get into mystery shows
00:44:36
or movies and he did watch season one um and he loved it absolutely loved it he couldn't I was surprised he was
00:44:44
calling me to talk about it to be honest with you but his his stamp that he put on on season one was that part you're
00:44:53
talking about where they go to the projects he's like my God man that like 30 minutes 40 45 minutes is some of the
00:45:00
best action I've ever seen yeah ever seen just so much suspense there so no I thought it was good I mean I I like
00:45:08
great I'm sad it's over yeah yeah a good ending though I'm glad you know I like the way that it
00:45:16
ended yeah I I like like I said I mean just the fact that they tied up the Loose Ends I mean there's nothing worse
00:45:22
than when they you know even like with like a show like sharp objects which is supposed to have a Twist but even when
00:45:31
they kind of give you the ending and then they definitely give you the ending they're still like loose
00:45:38
knots and you're like you know right they could have cleaned it up a little bit yeah yeah yeah um another thing I
00:45:46
watched and this is not true crime related but I thought I have to say to someone and Captain you end up getting
00:45:54
to be that person yeah uh watch won't you be my neighbor the Fred Rogers documentary on HBO MH my God man that is
00:46:06
really good remember how you're telling me about how the Weezer video Weezer covered the song um Africa by Toto yeah
00:46:15
and you were telling me about how funny you thought it was with uh Weird Al Yankovic yeah playing he's supposed to
00:46:22
be he's acting like River Cuomo in the in the video right yeah I think it's I think it's a new
00:46:29
video the problem is sometimes I'll say something's new it's new to you you know
00:46:34
but then I find out it's three years old dud I did that the other I was telling you to watch something I was like have
00:46:39
you seen the music video for blah blah blah it's so good I was like I and I had seen it for the first time I think it
00:46:48
was a mumford's and Sons video or somebody I can't remember who but I had saw it for the first time like a week
00:46:54
before and I was talking to there's this bar that that plays music videos and and and I I love the idea cuz
00:47:03
I can just sit there and stare at that stuff all day and I was like why have I not seen this before and the bartender
00:47:10
who was much younger and much more hip than me said yeah this video is amazing and I just saw it I I think I just saw
00:47:17
it two days ago so I assumed that it was new and I was telling you about it at a
00:47:22
party I'm like you got to check out this new music video find out on on YouTube that it's like like you said it was like
00:47:30
three four five five years old maybe yeah So Weezer has a tune where they're doing the whole Mr Roger thing I haven't
00:47:39
seen that yeah which since you're talking about Mr Roger they're doing the the uh the song the intro song to the
00:47:46
Rogers I think it's a cover of something else okay but you know he goes in and puts on the card again and changes the
00:47:54
shoes and does that whole thing I watch for a minute and I I really liked Weezer when they
00:48:01
first came out mhm first few albums but like I don't know kind of lost their Edge for me like they're still good but
00:48:13
it's just like I also taught guitar lessons so it was a lot of like can you teach me Beverly Hills right you know
00:48:20
it's like know so I don't know I went to a concert of theirs let's say 10 years ago might be a that's
00:48:33
a guess but never as many concerts as I've gone to I've never seen such a spectrum
00:48:42
of of Ages I mean it was everything from from kids that were probably eight to men and women in their 50s right and it
00:48:56
was all like the kid the boy or girl that was eight was like the same level of fan as the man or woman that was 50
00:49:05
you know what I mean like uh I had never seen that wide a range of uh of of age of an age group at a concert before well
00:49:13
I think it's a tough thing too cuz when you when a band comes out you want them to stay similar to their Roots but at
00:49:19
the same time grow right they played in the garage though when I saw them which was which was cool for me
00:49:27
um cuz I I remember when we were kids we liked that that song I used to um they were on a short list of mine for I had a
00:49:36
Walkman and we you know you and I both had uh newspaper routes mhm and I would ride my bike throw the papers and listen
00:49:45
to my Walkman and I their first album was a cassette for me was a cassette their first album was a cassette they
00:49:54
only released it on cassette it was it was a you know was a thing but um no that that was one of one for me that was
00:50:02
was in my newspaper route The Blue Album yeah yeah but I didn't know what color it was cuz it was the cassette was the
00:50:09
same color as all the other cassettes it was not a blue cassette no maybe they did at some point make it a blue
00:50:16
cassette I wonder if they ever did in the garage was a great song in the garage I feel safe yeah no one cares
00:50:24
about my ways in but yeah I I highly if if anybody out there is looking for something that's
00:50:32
not too heavy to watch uh but will put you in a good mood and maybe inspire you to be good and be kind and don't Litter
00:50:42
watch that uh won't you be my neighbor Fred Rogers uh uh show I haven't watched it yet I'm afraid I'll cry you might did
00:50:51
he have tattoos not that I'm aware of that is something that came up in the documentary though tattoos well no
00:51:00
there's a um so he went through a period where where people that didn't know him or
00:51:07
didn't really understand him kind of would would badmouth him or throw weird questions about him just out into the
00:51:14
ether right and one of the rumors was like they had all these rumors about you know why is he who is he all that one of
00:51:24
the rumors was that he was some kind of Black Ops Navy SEAL guy who who you know
00:51:31
at one point had worked for the government in his younger years another rumor was that he was covered in tattoos
00:51:38
on the on the portions of his body that you can't see on TV um you know one rumor was that he was
00:51:46
homosexual right you know they had all these rumors about him and um you got to watch the documentary it's it's
00:51:54
fantastic yeah that would be tough though too because sometimes like what what you assume I
00:52:00
haven't seen the documentary but what you assume is here's a guy that fell into a job thought thought it was a good
00:52:07
thing but also had to deal with the backlash of whatever people think oh he's a homosexual or or this guy maybe
00:52:17
likes kids too much mhm but you know I mean well yeah yeah I mean people called that into question I think um I think
00:52:25
the documentary does his legacy a good deal of justice and it it also it also pointed out to me that he
00:52:36
was actually more important of a person than I had had thought going into watching it well and I mean you're the
00:52:45
only person that I know that that has been through the same experience as I have I mean it's been somewhat different
00:52:53
but you know we go from guys that just you know wake up and we drive to our jobs and work our jobs and come home and
00:53:01
and now we're not famous in the sense of like we don't like go on tour or but like you know I'll be at a
00:53:12
bar and somebody be like hey are you the captain I always go no I'm Nick that's no I'm Nick well which one's your
00:53:20
favorite that's what I start with which one's your favorite oh I like the captain Oh well I'm the captain
00:53:27
if they say that they hate the captain I'm like oh what I go in the bathroom and shave my
00:53:33
beard real quick but no but it's strange though too because you know just the stuff that you
00:53:40
can read about yourself online that is most of the time not true mhm but you know I have friends that sometimes send
00:53:49
me stuff and some of the stuff that they were sending me this week were was pretty ridiculous I'm like I'm learning
00:53:56
a a lot about myself and I'm learning some very bad things right um that obviously aren't true but are they're
00:54:03
not no well you know I was hoping for some cool stuff you know like but it was all this stuff about that I had I have
00:54:12
um uh drug addictions and in and out of rehab and and that I um was battling alcoholism which look battling
00:54:22
alcoholism is that's a serious thing mhm and if I was battling alcoholism do you
00:54:29
think I would feature a beer on a show that I help produce it doesn't make a lot of sense so it's just kind of
00:54:37
strange um so I guess I can relate to Mr Rogers in a way of you you you wake up try your best you put it your intentions
00:54:47
are good you know our intentions our intentions are to entertain people and talk True Crime and sometimes there's
00:54:55
backlashes to that for no reason oh yeah yeah but I mean I don't know people can find better
00:55:03
ways to spend their time or maybe they can't that's that's the thing maybe it is that they can't we've just given you
00:55:10
plenty of shows and things to watch right we've just get we've just discussed a whole bunch of things worth
00:55:16
watching and some things that are not worth watching yes yes that is true one thing that is worth doing that we've not
00:55:23
been very good about is is reminding everybody about crime con this year crime con
00:55:31
2019 in your face who says we're not good about it I what do you mean you just said one thing we're not good at I
00:55:39
don't think we're good we're good at reminding people about crime con so uh I just wanted to make sure that I threw
00:55:46
that out there that we'll be there we will be there and if New Orleans want to save 10% on your crime Con tickets our
00:55:55
code is TCG 19 this the cg19 I know what it is this is the bonus show we're covering all angles we're not
00:56:04
supposed to have ads these are the only people that are going to show up the people that listen to off the record
00:56:09
will be at crime con hey just to let you know if you come up and tell me that you
00:56:14
listen to off the record I'm buying you a drink these are the people that show up to stuff when we do stuff is the off
00:56:21
the Record people the stuff when we do stuff that's why I'm making the announce here because the the if we announc it on
00:56:29
the other show it just fall on deaf ears yeah cuz they don't people that listen to that show they don't give a [ __ ] no
00:56:36
they don't [Music] [Applause] but